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raphinkkdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list12:03
raphinkthat might be easier for you12:03
Blissextroth: do you want to keep your 10GB or throw it away?12:03
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trothsee, i need the big hd for my movies and music etc, but i also dont want to give up on breezy yet, so i just want to upgrade without reconfiguring12:03
Blissextroth: but what... Please note that I am not telepathic and I cannot just imagine it.12:04
trothitll probably sit in a box till it gets thrown away i guess12:04
Blissextroth: so the end result is that your PC has 2 250GB drives and what should each drive contain?12:04
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kkathmanstrike4ce: also from the console you can do a sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list  but I'd backup your current file first12:04
trothone with my windows2000 pro, and i want to keep the slave i am on now with breezy12:05
Blissextroth: how many partitions have you got on the 10GB?12:05
trothjust one12:05
strike4ceok how do I use the key for the beta version in terminal?12:06
trothFAT3212:06
strike4ceAnyone using the beta version of kubuntu?12:07
Blissexstrike4ce: the final version has been released...12:07
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strike4cehttp://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta2.php12:08
Inglorionhow can i prevent cds from getting automatically mounted when i insert them?12:08
strike4ceBlissex: you see that?12:08
Blissextroth: what you should do is to boot your system as it is but with the nw disk added in too.12:08
motyRdont use hal12:08
Blissexstrike4ce: thats not the beta version of Kubuntu, more that of KDE.12:08
trothcorrect12:09
Inglorionso how do i not use hal?12:09
strike4ceBlissex: ok how do you enter the key?12:09
Blissexstrike4ce: there is a link from which you can download it... The one with anchor Jonathan Riddell's key12:09
BlissexInglorion: disabling HAL is just a more radical way to disable automounting of CDs, it disables a lot of other magic.12:10
Inglorionyeah, figures12:10
BlissexInglorion: try to find in the Control Center the right option, or look at the Ubuntu Wiki for some guide.12:10
Inglorionbut i can live without hal12:11
trothBlissex: i dont think i have physical space with 3 hd's in it12:11
Inglorioni've been using linux since 1994 or so :-)12:11
Blissextroth: that is going to make things painful.12:11
strike4ceBlissex: What do I do copy and psate it?  There is no download once you click the link12:11
BlissexInglorion: ahhhh, so you actually know what's going on and I don't have to use babytalk. :-)12:11
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Blissexstrike4ce: right click on the anchor and use the 'save link as' menu12:12
motyRInglorion: kcontrol -> peripherals ->storage media -> advanced12:12
Inglorionblissex: yeah, i would be ok if you told me which bytes i have to send to which i/o ports :-)12:12
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trothBlissex: so im better off with a fresh install...12:12
BlissexInglorion: I have actually disabled all of 'hotplug', 'udev' and 'hal' just to be like in the good old times when hairy half written software did not pretend to configure my PC.12:13
Blissextroth: no, not at all.12:13
Blissextroth: the difficulty is that if you cannot have all three hard disks in you will need to do things in two stages and use a live CD to do the copying instead of your existing Breezy install.12:14
InglorionmotyR: somehow, there's no "storage media" in kcontrol12:14
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motyRso download kde 3.512:14
strike4ceBlissex: thanx sorry for my stupidity LOL I dont think of the obvious while using kubuntu  NEW USER HERE12:14
trothok i see...12:14
BlissexInglorion: I am pretty sure there is a way to just disable the annoying automaounting of CDs.12:14
Blissexstrike4ce: dont worry, it happens to everybody...12:15
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Inglorionblissex: i would hope so, too12:15
BlissexInglorion: but I suspect that KDE does require HAL.12:15
trothBLissex: i basically just want to take out the breezy drive, do a perfect copy, change pin to master, discard 10G, return breezy drive back in place12:16
libbenhttp://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=872.012:16
Blissextroth: you can do that if you use a LiveCD to do the partition copy.12:16
mmport81Guys, what has happened to mp3 ripping in konq on breezy????12:16
trothBlissex: i have plenty of those12:17
strike4ceBlissex: what wireless manager do you use?12:17
Blissextroth: excellent, then do the disc swap as you say, and boot the LiveCD.12:17
Blissexstrike4ce: none, I am a terrible geek and I do everything manually, command line.12:18
Blissexstrike4ce: but KWiFiManager is not bad.12:18
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Inglorionalright, if i can't find how to disable this automounting stuff from kcontrol, is there a configuration file i can edit?12:18
m_absI have a problem with the kubuntu 5.10 livedvd. My onboard NIC doesn't want to work, it is found, but there is no light in it and I can't get an IP from dhcp. It is not the cable. Is there a command to force activate at NIC? I've already tried "sudp ifconfig eth0". The NIC uses the module "sk98lin" which I of cause have tried modprobing myself.12:18
strike4ceBlissex:  Im not home but I have a problem I cant set up a secure wifi connection with Kwifi12:18
trothBlissex, k excellent how do i go about doing that pls?12:19
Blissextroth: once you have got the discs sorted out right, and the Live CD spinning, do something like 'cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb'12:19
strike4ceBlissex: also it doesnt detect any other connections but the one I am using and I know there are more12:19
Pablo_Cm_abs,  you can try "sudo eth0 up"12:19
Pablo_Cer12:19
trothBlissex: perfect, thanks for your time and patience12:20
Pablo_C"sudo ifconfig eth0 up"12:20
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Inglorionlol, i just found the file called kdontchangethehostname12:20
Blissexstrike4ce: you shouldnt ask for help from specific people... But. Wait a sec. Or try #wireless or #KDE in the meantime.12:20
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Blissextroth: wait, oops12:20
trothk12:20
m_absPablo_C: I've tried that, no effect.12:20
_francescoHello, I just did apt-get install metabar... how can I get metabar in konqueror now?12:20
mmport81mp3 ripping in konq breezy anyone?12:20
asranielOMG! kubuntu with wireless on my laptop is sooooo cool :-)12:20
Blissextroth: that actually is not an awesome idea unless the two discs have similar geometry, which is unlikely us they are so different.12:20
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Blissextroth: so best thing is a slightly more complicated and less evil thing.12:21
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trothBlissex: ya a 10G to a 250G,12:21
motyRmmport81: have u installed lame and the gtreamer plugin?12:21
m_absWill an 8-9 year old NIC work in a AMD64 system?12:21
Blissextroth: boot live CD, partition the new disk initially with just one partition, of the same size or a tiny bit larger than  the '/dev/hda1' one.12:22
mmport81motyR: lame yes12:22
Blissextroth: then 'cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1' or whatever it is.12:22
mmport81motyR: gstreamer, why?12:22
Blissextroth: then you also need to make the new '/dev/hda' bootable.12:22
trothk, and id have to keep it FAT32 also, correct?12:22
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motyRmmport81: try the lame gsteamer plugin12:23
Blissextroth: well, 'cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1' copies each byte in the partition identical. So it will be still FAT32. You can then tell MS Windows that you want to convert it to NTFS.12:23
mmport81motyR: righteo will do - never needed it in the past tho...12:23
Blissextroth: next thing is to put the LILO or GRUB booter into the boot block of the new disc.12:24
trothgrub12:24
Blissextroth: there are two ways to do that. One is to remove the 10GB disc, put in the old 250GB disc, boot from a rescue disk, with root set to the Breezy partition, and reinstall GRUB to '/dev/hda'.12:25
trothor..12:25
mmport81motyR: it worked!! is kde moving over to gstreamer nowadays??12:25
mmport81    motyR: thanks!12:25
motyRyep12:25
motyR:)12:25
mmport81beats arts12:26
Blissextroth: the other if you are familiar with GRUB console mode is to do the install and config of GRUB from the Live CD.12:26
trothill be better off withe option one12:26
Blissextroth: yes, because I think it is well described in a page on the Wiki.12:26
trothk12:26
Blissextroth: option one is the standard procedure for example if you screw up the booting on your main disc.12:27
trothBlissex: if its a perfect copy, why wouldnt it just be the same?12:27
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Blissextroth: so when you reinstall the GRUB boot block you are sorted, because your GRUB menu will already have an entry for '/dev/hda1' and MS Windows.12:28
Blissextroth: it is a perfect copy of the _partition_. The boot block is outside any partition.12:28
trothi see..12:28
blueyedIs it a known problem with kde3.5b2 (from kubuntu.org) that artsd keeps crashing?12:29
Blissexblueyed: I have seen several people mention that... I think.12:29
crimsunthere's a bug reported on it already12:29
Blissextroth: so when you swap out the 10GB and rearrange the discs so the old 250 is secondary and the new one primary, the primary will have no boot on it, and just a 10GB partition with MS Windows on it.12:30
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Blissextroth: if your motherboard is recent, it can also be made to boot from the secondary disk. In that case, before you do any rearrangement of the discs,12:31
trothBlissex: doubt it, om on a 733mhz P312:31
Blissextroth: you can install the GRUB boot block to the secondary disc too, and test that works. If so, when you have the new and old 250 in the PC, you boot off the secondary, and then put the boot block on the primary, and reboot.12:32
Blissextroth: uhm, that is a bit doubtful, but check, even some BIOSes of that era can boot from any of the four IDE discs.12:32
Blissextroth: note that actually once you have installed GRUB on the Linux disc and told the BIOS to boot from it, you can actually just leave it like that.12:34
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Blissextroth: you might want then to put the MS Windows boot block on the primar disc, using the MS Windows 2000 install disc in Rescue Mode, with FIXMBR.12:34
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Blissextroth: so you can boot MS Windows directly if you need by switching the boot disc to primary in the BIOS, and viceversa.12:35
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trothi see12:36
trothhmmm12:36
Blissextroth: final and very important bit of advice... If you are thinking of using most of the discs to store data that can be read both by MS Windows and GNU/Linux, you can use 'ext3' instead of FAT32. There is now a very nice 'ext3' driver for MS Windows 2000 and later.12:36
troththats what the breezy disc im on now is...12:37
Blissextroth: http://ext2fsd.SourceForge.net/12:37
blueyedBlissex, crimsun: thanks. I've added my backtrace and a bit more info.12:37
Blissextroth: you can install it now to your MS Windows 2000 system and access your Linux partitions.12:37
trothcool12:37
asranielhahahaha, how i loooove kubuntu! lying in my bed, chating over wireless, and listening with amarok to the music that is on my ipod!12:38
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Blissexasraniel: lazy guy! :-)12:39
chimaeracan someone confirm taht apt-setup doesn't add the updates entries to the sources.list?12:40
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os2mac!totem12:41
ubotuos2mac: Are you smoking crack?12:41
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chimaerapropagandhi: nice nick ;)12:41
os2macanyone have a problem running totem?12:42
chimaerapropagandhi: checked http://americasarmy.co ? (mind the .ca!)12:42
chimaeraerr.. .ca..12:42
os2macanyone?12:43
chimaeraos2mac: running totem under kde is kind of, well perverted.. ;)12:43
chimaeraos2mac: you might want to check #ubuntu12:44
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frahiis there any kde tool like gthumb? a picture viewer for directories12:47
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chimaerafrahi: you mean displaying the images as thummbs?12:47
frahiyes, but with some functionality like rotating, gamma correction etc.12:48
os2macchimaera... sorry didn't realize that until just now...12:48
chimaeraos2mac: np..12:49
os2macbut my problem is the same.... I can't get kaffiene to work either...12:49
trothBlissex: when i get the boot screen breezy is my default os, might grub already be installed on the disc?12:49
trothBliisex: it i take longer than 10 sec, itll load breezy, i have to scroll down to windows12:50
Blissextroth: this booting from the secondary?12:50
Blissextroth: have you changed the boot order in the BIOS?12:50
trothno, i definetly didnt do that12:50
os2mac!kaffiene12:51
ubotuos2mac: Bugger all, i dunno12:51
os2mac!kaffeine12:51
ubotuos2mac: Did you get hit by a windmill?12:51
chimaerafrahi: probably gwenview or kuickshow...12:51
frahiah gwenview looks good12:52
trothBlissex: maybe breezy set it when it was installed, because if i remember right, it does say loading grub12:52
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trothbefore the boot prompt12:53
chimaerabye..12:53
Blissextroth: you are being very unclear. 12:53
Blissextroth: probably Breezy installed GRUB to the boot block of your 10GB. But your 10GB is going to disappear.12:54
trothok just checking12:54
troththanx12:54
Blissextroth: so GRUB must be either installed to the new 250GB, or to the old 250GB and then the boot order changed.12:54
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trothright12:54
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os2macdoesn't Kaffiene play .mpg12:56
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Astr0nautAfter installing Breezy, my /home is on a large FAT32-partition intended to be shared with XP. Now I suspect permission issues is preventing me from adding users. Did I mess up? Where should I ideally put /home ?12:59
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frahiAstr0naut: fat32 is one of the worst filesystem, I would use ext2 and install the windows driver for that01:04
Blissexfrahi: there is now even an 'ext3' driver for MS Windows.01:04
Blissexfrahi: http://ext2fsd.SourceForge.net/01:05
frahiwell ext3 is just an additional journaling mode for ext201:05
Blissexfrahi: yes, but having it is nice...01:05
Blissexfrahi: there are other drivers that just do 'ext2'.01:05
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Blissexfrahi: and I have heard that there is an a ReiserFS driver for MS Windows too.01:06
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frahimaybe, can't be that hard to write one if the framework is done01:07
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tetrahedronreally want to try Kubuntu, but everytime i use the DVD (amd64) to try it out, this happens: The first text based boot screen loads. press enter or type install then enter, either or gives me a result of a bluish/purplish screen with yellow squigglie lines in the bottom left corner, not readable at all.01:12
tetrahedronany ideas?01:12
tetrahedronIm running SuSE 10 right now01:12
propagandhitetrahedron: me too01:13
tetrahedronwell at least im not the only one... have you tried the CD version?01:15
satafterhSuSE 10 buggy?01:15
tetrahedronyes01:15
propagandhii think its pretty good on the whole, but I've upgraded it to kde 3.5 beta and added heaps of custom stuff01:16
tetrahedroni cant get everything to work, no video playback but audio for every format01:16
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tetrahedronprop - suse?01:16
propagandhiyeah01:16
propagandhiI also run kubuntu on the other partition01:17
propagandhiso when I said me too, I meant currently running suse 1001:17
tetrahedrondamn i jsut suck then... i am having difficulties which im sure is cause of ATi.. lol.01:17
propagandhinot that i was also having the problem you are01:17
tetrahedronah01:17
apokryphosheh01:17
apokryphosthere's other methods of installation which you may want to try out01:18
apokryphosthough it's worth trying an alternative ISO (i.e. the CD) first I'd say01:18
propagandhisurely if it were a video card issue theres a way to set it to install in vesa mode or something01:18
apokryphosthat's what it does01:18
tetrahedronyeah.. i thought i would jsut check to see if it was a known issue or soemthing01:19
apokryphosATI drivers aren't setup in install01:19
pupenoI am tring to compile madwifi for kubuntu, and I get this error: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-9-686/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc-3.4: command not found, any ideas ?01:19
tetrahedroni gues i can re-DL the CD format01:19
apokryphospupeno: do you have build-essential?01:19
pupenolet me see.01:20
propagandhipupeno: and have you tried 'export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4' or whatever the path to gcc is01:20
tetrahedronapokryphos - are you saying ATi is a no-go for Kubuntu? or that there is an option for the install command?01:20
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apokryphospropagandhi: shouldn't be any need for that really01:20
propagandhior try installing gcc-3.401:20
pupenobut I don't have gcc-3.4, kubuntu comes with gcc-4.001:21
propagandhithe reason is that the kernel was compiled with gcc-3.401:21
pupenowhat compiler was used...01:21
propagandhiso u need to apt-get install gcc-3.401:21
apokryphostetrahedron: well, ATI is really sucky on Linux, but the ATI drivers need to be set up manually by you after installation -- not during the installation process01:21
pupenothat!01:21
pupenopropagandhi: thanks.01:21
apokryphosthat's it01:21
propagandhiand then if it still isnt working, try the export CC command01:21
kevmanSweet. You guys have fixed crash-happy Xine and Kaffiene.01:21
propagandhibecause 4.0 or whatever it is will be the default compiler still I believe01:21
dreamwavei see that kubuntu breeze is released but the downloads are all for the release candidate (RC).  is this really the official release?01:21
=== kevman just apt-get dist-updated
tetrahedronapokryphos: yeah i had to setup the ATi drivers on SuSE... ATi does suck for linux.. was thinking of getting nvidia 6600GT AGP01:22
kevmandreamwave, yep. 01:22
apokryphostetrahedron: if you have money to use :P01:22
dreamwavekevman: thanks01:22
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apokryphosdreamwave: no01:22
dreamwavehuh?01:23
apokryphosdreamwave: you're looking in the wrong place01:23
apokryphoshead over to the download section of Kubuntu.org01:23
dreamwaveit must be that the US server isn't updated.  the england one seems fine.01:23
tetrahedroni dont really have the money, but i need a working machine too01:23
kevmanOh, I misunderstood the question.01:23
dreamwaveapokryphos: i'm using the links from there.  they need updating.01:23
apokryphostetrahedron: you can settle for a less flash graphics card then ;-)01:23
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dreamwavei have found a few other broken links on kubuntu.org.  just lucky i guess...01:24
pupenodreamwave: I recommend you to use bittorrent and forget about browsing mirrors.01:24
apokryphoshm, thought you were talking about the DVDs, where the RCs are still in some places01:25
tetrahedronapokryphos: you might laugh, but I need 3d game support, I plan on taking my game dev (artists side) knowledge and making games using linux for linux and with open source apps01:25
dreamwavepupeno: ah.  okay.01:25
pupenobbl.01:25
apokryphostetrahedron: if graphics is important to you, then you'll want a great graphics card, sure.01:26
apokryphostorrents are best, indeed01:26
apokryphostetrahedron: wish you the best of luck; I'm sure if you dedicate yourself you'll make something/be part of something very great =)01:27
tetrahedronThanks :)01:27
tetrahedronso maybe i should jsut run the 32bit version instead of the 64bit version of Kubuntu, Ive been reading better support for packages and what.. even though I have an amd64 proc?01:28
apokryphostetrahedron: ergh, that's like keeping in a caged bird :P01:29
tetrahedroni know i know01:29
apokryphostetrahedron: disadvantages of 64-bit are as follows01:30
apokryphos(i) no flash; (ii) no wmv; (iii) since Riddell packages, and he has an i386, when he's the only one doing the packs there won't be amd64 ones available 01:31
apokryphosfrom my perspective though, (i) I don't care for it; (ii) don't care for it; (iii) disadvantage, but every major release (i.e. 3.5 official) will always have an amd64 version, so not that fussed01:31
tetrahedronwell then i need the 32bit.. haha.. need flash, want to experiement with f4l-app aka flash dev for linux01:32
apokryphosand, essentially, those are the only potential disadvantages (really). Ubuntu is extremely well packaged for 64-bit01:32
apokryphostetrahedron: then just make a breezy 32-bit chroot, and run 64-bit primarily01:32
tetrahedronhmmm... i would have to do that with cedega too? if so, does that hurt proformance any... oh btw thanks, this is helping me very much01:33
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apokryphoshurt perfomance? Nope. It just means you're running two installs of Ubuntu01:34
apokryphosso that for everyday things you don't have to confine yourself to 32-bit slowness :P01:34
tetrahedronok.. sounds cool... i will look into that, i guess i should go now and dl the 5 cd version.. thanks again01:35
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os2mac!sound01:46
ubotusound is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/, or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary01:46
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nmorseDoes anyone know if they even make Socket A motherboards with PCI-Express?01:48
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strannikI have a problem...01:50
strannikmounted my fat32 partition01:51
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strannikthen i go to change the desktop wallpaper. i choose an image from the mounted disk (hda5) and it says that i can only add local files and cannot add remote files01:53
philipacamaniacwhy would "./configure" have an output error of "bad intepreter: permission denied"?01:53
strannikcouldsomebody light up this situation for me?01:53
strannikphilipacamaniac use sudo01:53
strannikit helped for me01:53
philipacamaniacit does the same. I should have rights to build a make file within my home dir.01:54
philipacamaniacbut somethings amiss01:54
Blissexstrannik: thats odd, you sure you have the right permissions?01:54
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strannikhow can i check that?01:55
strannikBlissex, how can i check that?01:56
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KevmanI'm trying to install the ATI binary drivers.01:57
Blissexstrannik: 'ls -ld .....'01:57
KevmanBut the wiki instructions are for Hoary. Is the process the same for Breezy?01:57
BlissexKevman: I think so.01:57
KevmanOK.01:58
apokryphosit's exactly the same01:58
fatejudgerdoes anyone know how to run a script using KDE's Autostart folder?01:58
fatejudgerthe only thing it does when I put things in it is try and open them with Kate01:58
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nmorseNormally you use .desktop files in KDE's Autostart folder.01:59
apokryphosfatejudger: are you sure you made them executable?01:59
fatejudgerno...01:59
nmorseThen it launches them normally.01:59
philipacamaniacOkay, I'm dumb, I was trying to configure from a mounted drive, not from $HOME01:59
nmorseOr at least that's all I've ever done.02:00
apokryphosfatejudger: chmod a+x somefile02:00
philipacamaniaca mounted drive with noexec...02:00
fatejudgerapokryphos: thanks02:00
strannikBlissex, here are the perms: drwxr-xr-x  15 root root 16384 1969-12-31 19:00 windows. according to this, i should be able to read the files on it02:00
fatejudgerapokryphos: I'll try restarting X then02:00
philipacamaniacdid anyone fonts get screwed up with the last update?02:00
Blissexstrannik: yes... Then it is hard to imagine wgat you are doing that causes trouble.02:01
philipacamaniacalso, did anyone's refresh rate get screwed up with the last update?02:01
strannikBlissex, ok, step by step: 02:02
philipacamaniacafter I rebooted from last update, my refresh rate went from 85 to 60 (ouch!) and the fonts are fairly small.02:02
strannikBlissex, right click on desktop, choose configure02:02
os2macI have a problem with sound. I can hear system noises but not CD playback.....02:02
strannikBlissex, click on the browse button02:02
philipacamaniacnevermind, I guess I've been booted to 75dpi... off to change that now.02:03
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strannikBlissex, clcik on the storage media button02:03
trinidadanyone notice that us.archive.ubuntu is down02:03
Blissexstrannik:  yes, that sounds fine.02:03
trinidadI've searched the net and can't find anything about it02:03
strannikBlissex, click on the 25 gb one (thats hda5)02:03
jbasiliohow do you clean up your lost+found? mine is so huge it take 10 second for it to display02:03
trinidadmy synaptic won't let me install anthing02:03
trinidadsudo apt-get -f install also does nothing02:04
strannikBlissex, select the file i need and get error02:04
trinidadus.archive.ubuntu .... fails everytime02:04
trinidadI'm running hoary02:04
trinidadam downloading breezy02:04
Blissexstrannik: sound OK. Whats the type of the file?02:04
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strannikjpg02:05
trinidadcan anyone help?02:06
Blissexstrannik: very odd.02:06
strannikBlissex, thats what i'm saying too..02:06
trinidadi was trying to install wxPython and couldn't get anything02:06
Blissexstrannik: can you try to copy to file to say '/tmp' and open it there to see if it gives the same error.02:06
strannikBlissex, the file is in a directory which name is non english letters. whould it explain it?02:06
Blissexstrannik: ahhhhhhhh, that can be a very likely cause.02:07
Blissexstrannik: you have to mount the FAT32 partition with the right encoding.02:07
Blissexstrannik: look at the 'mount' options for how to select a charset/encoding.02:07
strannikBlissex, i mounted with utf8 which is working just great02:08
strannikBlissex in konq, i see all the files ok02:09
Blissexstrannik: then that should not be a big factor. Try two things: copy the file to a directory on the FAT32 partition that has only got ASCII characters, and try with say '/tmp' as I was saying before.02:09
strannikBlissex ok...will try..02:09
Blissexstrannik: there might be a bug with UTF-8 handling.02:09
strannikok, in /tmp it worked ok02:14
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strannikBlissex i moved the jpg to a directory will only ASCII characters02:16
strannikBlissex and got the same error:02:17
Blissexstrannik: thats very very odd.02:17
strannikBlissex You can only select local files.02:17
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Blissexstrannik: but a local FAT32 partition is a local file.02:17
strannikwill try to change permissions from root to myself02:17
spstarr_homeany news on when kmail will be fixed?02:17
Blissexstrannik: you said it is 'hda5' isn't it?02:17
strannikBlissex yes it it 02:18
strannika logical drive02:18
strannikthe files themself are on the extended section02:18
Blissexstrannik: thats fine. Because I can imagine that having your background on a remote network drive might not be a good idea, it could be here one day and not the next minute.02:18
strannikBlissex but it isn't..its on my hard drive....do you know anybody that could help me?02:19
kevmanIsn't it possible to have direct rendering and composite extensions enabled?02:19
Blissexstrannik: problem is, your problem is odd, and you are not giving much context.02:19
Blissexkevman: there are pretty fundamental problems with that, so dont. But ask in #Xorg02:20
strannikBlissex ok, what information do you require?02:21
Blissexstrannik: for example, the full path to the file including the file name, and the output of 'grep hda5 /proc/mounts'02:21
kevmanSeems there are opensource ATI drivers that do, but I'm guessing they aren't in apt.02:22
pussfellerkde used to let you select a backgorund from a remote nfs thingee02:22
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crimsunopensource ati drivers? as in the ones distributed with your X Window System?02:22
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strannikBlissex ok, hold for a moment02:23
mustafuis there any way I can check the integrity of the install CD before I burn it in windows?02:23
ecobuntudo you guys know how to remove kde?  i just want to use gnome02:23
pussfellerget md5sum program and checkt he sums02:23
strannikBlissex /dev/hda5 /media/windows vfat rw,nodiratime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,iocharset=utf8 0 002:23
Blissexmustafu: yes, and also chekc it _after_ you burn it.02:23
spstarr_homeecobuntu: go to #ubuntu, but apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop will do it :(02:23
pussfellerwhich should be on the ftp or the webpage you got it from02:24
Blissexstrannik: looks pretty reasonable.02:24
ecobuntuno it doesn't02:24
mustafumd5sum program? got it, I think02:24
ecobuntujust the virtual package02:24
mustafuk, thanks02:24
kevmancrimsun, no I mean ones that have direct rendering...02:24
spstarr_homeit should remove ALL of kde bits02:24
pussfellerits not going to hurt anything to have it there02:24
kkathmangood evening all (or whatever it is where you are)02:24
ecobuntuit does not02:24
pussfelleru just dont have to use it02:24
crimsunkevman: still unclear02:25
strannikpath: 02:25
pussfellerwhats up kkathman 02:25
strannik /media/windows/14_12.jpg02:25
kevmanI dunno, it was on some poorly written Gentoo wiki, crimsun.02:26
kkathmanhowdy pussfeller - good to see you :)02:26
kkathmanpussfeller: trying to see what the deal is with this latest update to breezy that knocked out my samba shares from refreshing02:26
strannikBlissex: any ideas on what i can do to fix it?02:27
kkathmani got a feeling its the kdebase update02:27
pussfellerthat shouldnt mess up anything internally in samba, just maybe some config line in smb.conf02:27
Blissexstrannik: no idea unfortunately. But why are using the 'Storage Media'? Cant' you just navigate there?02:28
pussfellerif u used the kconftrol gui02:28
kkathmanpussfeller: well there have been several people reporting strange things with anything in /media02:28
Blissexstrannik: because 'media:hda6' might go via a bit strange path.02:28
kkathmanpussfeller: and it was fine until I updated this morning02:28
pussfelleroh, from a windows box TO linux, ok02:28
pussfellerthen it could be in konqy smb thingee02:28
Blissexstrannik: and perhaps it is going via the 'media:' JIOSlavet that annoys KDesktop02:28
pussfellerstrannik is reporting weird things as well in media02:29
Blissexstrannik: so just click on the up arrow go to the root and descend from there to where the file is.02:29
kkathmanpussfeller: yah.. I noticed it today, when I deleted some files on my win box, and was back on my linux box and looked at the share, and the files were still there02:29
pussfellerwell i will refrain from updating more then02:30
kkathmanpussfeller: yep so have half a dozen or so people02:30
kkathmanpussfeller: its easy enough to sync it...just F5, but still that should refresh automatically...it did in hoary02:30
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Pupenoupdates! nice.02:31
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strannikBlissex, i mounted the drive to /media, where else can i find it?02:31
kkathman!tell Pupeno about gpgerr02:31
strannikBlissex, sorry if it is a dumb question...just my second week using linux....02:32
strannik=)02:32
kkathmanPupeno: check the PM 02:32
Blissexstrannik: the 'media:' KIOslave and the '/media' directory are tow completely different things.02:32
Pupenokkathman: not that problem, I want pgp to work on kmail.02:32
Blissexstrannik: dont worry about that, it was clear.02:32
Blissexstrannik: basically 'media:' is a server that does clever things. '/media' is just a directory.02:32
strannikok, thanks..will try02:33
kevmanDoes kubuntu support Exa?02:33
kkathmanBlissex: yep others are experiencing everything missing from /media02:33
Blissexstrannik: so move around in the ''browse'' dialog, until the path at the top begins with '/media/hda5' instead of 'media:hda5'.02:33
pussfellerthose kio slaves can get pretty uppity02:33
Blissexkevman: sure, if you have a time machine.02:33
strannikBlissex, ok...works if i just go through the file system to /media/windows/..02:34
kevmanOh, I thought the latest Xorg had it.02:34
strannikwill have to find somekind of manual for media: server, thank you very much02:34
Blissexkevman: it is heavily, heavily experimental.02:34
kevmanFigured as much.02:34
Pupenopgp still doesn't work on kmail :(02:34
Blissexstrannik: you are welcome. BTW, in general to get help, type things exactly as you see them if they are short. Little details like a colon instead of a slash can matter.02:35
strannikBlissex, thank you very much for the patience02:35
Blissexstrannik: as to what the various KIO slaves do there is little docs.02:35
pussfelleram i the only one with kio_imap running amuck from time to time?02:35
kkathmanpussfeller: I havent noticed anything, should I check?02:36
Blissexstrannik: in general they make accessible files from places where they cannot be mounted directly, e.g. remote machines etc.02:36
pussfellerkkathman, its not a new problem, its been that way for awhile... it doesn't accept network disconnects very well02:36
pussfellerit might just be my particular setup or something02:36
Blissexstrannik: if you want to see a list, and some come with documentation, do the following:02:37
pussfellerbut what ever it is, it still does it after the upgrade02:37
kkathmanpussfeller: hmm...I guess I would know if that was happening eh?02:37
kkathmanlol02:37
pussfelleryeah they would eat all your cpu02:37
Blissexstrannik: type "about:konqueror" in the address bar of Konqueror, and then click on the "many more..." link at the bottom of the page.02:37
strannikBlissex thanx a lot...doing it right now02:39
Blissexstrannik: most are not documented, but some are interesting.02:39
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Pupenocan anybody use gpg on kmail currently ?02:43
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kkathmanBlissex: Just curious, is there a key or something that tells exactly what the Function keys do in certain situations..for instance I learned today that F9 will refresh a samba share..I kinda wondered where that info is?02:43
kkathmanoops F5 I mean02:44
Blissexkkathman: usually you should not ask specific people directly, but tonight Ill make an exception...02:44
Pupenokkathman: in a kde program, you can see that on Settings->Configure Shortcuts02:44
kkathmanexcuse me then, Im sorry02:44
PupenoBlissex: : in a kde program, you can see that on Settings->Configure Shortcuts02:44
Pupenobah!02:44
kkathmanI'll dig around :)02:45
strannikBlissex checked for many more link on the page that i receive when i typed: about: konqueror....it wasn't there =)02:45
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Blissexkkathman: usually every KDE app has a nice 'Settings:Configure Shortcuts' menu and you can sort it both by name of the command and by key by clicking on the name of the column.02:45
Blissexkkathman: just as <Pupeno> said.02:45
strannikBlissex the only link that is in the bottom is Next: An Introduction to Konqueror, but no worries..will look on the internet for some manuals on media02:45
Blissexstrannik: did you type it without any spaces, that is "about:konqueror"?02:46
os2macI am getting an error trying to play .mpg files in Kaffiene....02:48
os2maccan anyone help?02:48
crimsunhave you installed kaffeine-xine from universe?02:48
os2macno...just what comes with Kubuntu02:49
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os2macso I just did and I get this02:53
os2macno decoders found to decode stream.02:54
strannikBlissex tripple checked....i typed without any spaces...02:55
Blissexstrannik: which version of KDE have you got?02:56
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Blissexstrannik: dont bother... There is a nice alternative.02:56
Blissexjust type "kcmshell ioslaveinfo" in a Konsole or with 'ALT-F2'02:58
strannikBlissex kde 3.4.002:58
Blissexstrannik: should work with 3.4.0 too the 'kcmshell ioslaveinfo' I hope,03:01
strannikBlissex i got the info tool.03:01
strannikchoose the media in the left panel and all i got is:03:02
strannikSome info about protocol media:/ ...03:02
strannikand thats all =)03:02
Blissexstrannik: there is perhaps some docs on the KDE web site.03:02
strannikBlissex thank you ...will look into it...03:02
Blissexstrannik: for most there are no docs. Now 'media:' is basically similar to the KwikDisk mounting/unmount application.03:03
os2macI have installed all kaffeine .deb files and still cannot play .mpg files03:06
os2macanyone got any ideas?03:09
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shaleif i installed regular ubuntu and i want to switch, do i need to reinstall kubuntu or can i apt-get my way to it?03:12
Blissexshale: use 'apt-get kubuntu-desktop'03:14
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hyperactivecrondok a certain os's installation cd is scratched and won't install rite.  Should I use something like the Gamedoctor scratch reparier on it?03:20
laszlokactually: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop03:20
laszloki hate when i forget to put install and apt-get yells at me03:20
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tux0beliveranyone know how to tell when Kynaptic is done installing software?03:20
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stupendo44how can I resize my main partition? When I installed kubuntu, I made it smaller so that I could create a larger fat partition. I have shrunk the fat partition now and I want to increase my main one.03:25
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strike4ceI updated to kde3.5 can I reverse it?03:36
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fatejudgerI was using Azureus and it sucked up like 150,000 megabytes of RAM03:37
fatejudgerand when I closed it it didn't give it back03:37
fatejudgeris there any way to tell Linux to free up that memory03:37
fatejudgeror do I have to restart?03:37
fatejudgerobviously restarting is faster than asking this question03:37
fatejudgerbut I was hoping to know for future reference as well03:38
crimsunwhy are you worried about that RAM?03:38
fatejudgerwell crap03:38
fatejudgermy swap is like03:38
fatejudger200,000 megabytes full03:38
fatejudgerI mean03:38
fatejudgerkilobytes03:38
fatejudgerand I have 256 mb of RAM03:38
fatejudgernormally after a fresh restart I have 30 MB of RAM available03:39
fatejudgerwith no swap taken up03:39
crimsunfree -m |grep cache:|awk '{ print $4 }'03:39
crimsunthat's the only figure you should be concerned about03:39
fatejudger12703:40
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fatejudgerbut in KDE sysguard03:40
fatejudgerit says I have 5 mb free RAM03:40
fatejudgerand 170 MB of used swap03:40
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crimsunlike I said, the only figure to be concerned about is the output from the command I just gave you.03:40
fatejudgerwell why is my computer slow then?03:41
crimsunLinux aggressively caches from the FS into RAM. It's expected that you'll have very, very few MB of free RAM.03:41
fatejudgeryes but03:41
fatejudgermy swap is very full03:41
crimsunit's sluggish due to the memory pressure03:41
fatejudgerbut that isn't how it normally is03:42
crimsunlog out of KDE, swapoff -a && swapon -a, then log back in03:42
strike4ceI updated to kde3.5 can I reverse it?03:42
crimsunolder JVMs are beasts when it comes to memory (de)allocation03:42
fatejudgercrimsun: is that the only way?03:42
fatejudgerI have Java 1.503:42
crimsunstrike4ce: yes, but not easily. man 5 apt_preferences03:42
fatejudgerand I use Azureus03:42
fatejudgerthat's the only Java app I have on here03:42
crimsunfatejudger: no, it's not the only way. You could just install more RAM.03:42
fatejudgerhow does Azereus take up 200 mb of my swap?03:43
strike4cecrimsun: man 5 apt_preferences?03:43
fatejudgercrimsun: I'm too cheap for that03:43
fatejudgerlol03:43
crimsunAzureus doesn't, the JVM does.03:43
fatejudgerok, if you want to be technical, yes03:43
fatejudgerbut that's like saying that C++ doesn't use up heap in a "new" call, the operating system does03:43
crimsunThere are also a variety of /proc knobs you can tweak.03:43
strike4ceI updated to kde3.5 can I reverse it?  If so, how?03:44
fatejudgerall I want is to have all the memory I had back03:44
crimsunstrike4ce: pin everything to 3.4.3 and dist-upgrade03:44
fatejudgerthe same amount I had BEFORE I started Azureus03:44
strike4cecrimsun: how do i do that?03:44
crimsunfatejudger: you can't; that memory (pages are) is "dirty"03:44
fatejudgercrimsun: dirty?03:44
crimsunfatejudger: it's already been used. You have to force the OS to flush it.03:45
fatejudgerwhat about my other RAM?03:45
crimsunfatejudger: what about it?03:45
fatejudgercrimsun: how do I get the rest of that back03:45
crimsunkill any java processes still running, log out of KDE, swapoff -a && swapon -a, and log back in03:46
fatejudgercrimsun: and why do I have to shut down and restart the swap outside of KDE?03:46
fatejudgerwhy can't I just do it in the Konsole?03:46
crimsunfatejudger: you can, but you have quite a few additional KDE processes running then03:47
crimsunyou could even stop kdm, then swapoff -a && swapon -a03:47
fatejudgerwhenever I use startx it never runs X correctly03:48
fatejudgerat least that's how it was in Hoary03:49
crimsunyou don't need to use startx03:49
fatejudgerI always ended up rebooting03:49
fatejudgerwhat do I use then?03:49
crimsunjust stop kdm, swapoff -a && swapon -a, restart kdm, and log back in03:49
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fatejudgerok, brb then03:49
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Ravenskypatrick!03:51
Ravenskyoh em gee!03:52
_patricktom!03:52
Ravenskyheh03:52
Ravenskyalrighty03:52
_patrickwhats this for03:52
Ravenskyanyway, keep konversation open and ask your questions here03:52
Ravenskypeople will answer03:52
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_patricki see03:52
Ravenskyprobably change your nickname too by using the /nick command03:53
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freelovethanks03:53
Ravenskyfreelove, eh? :P03:53
freeloveno03:54
freeloveyes03:54
freelovecan you only change it once03:54
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Ravenskypatrick, just ask your question03:55
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workingmansi see03:55
workingmansalright03:55
Ravenskyso I dont have to go answering them all for you :P03:55
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workingmansdeadyes but they arnt that hard, are they03:55
fatejudgerok, the swapoff swapon thing didn't work03:55
RavenskyI should never of said that you can change your name :P03:55
fatejudgerand now I can't start kdm back up03:56
crimsunfatejudger: it won't if you don't have enough free pages03:56
fatejudgercrimson: that isn't it, I just don't know how to start it03:56
crimsunfatejudger: start what?03:56
Ravenskyworkingmansdead needs an audio converter that can convert shn to mp303:56
fatejudgercrimson: kdm03:56
Ravenskyor probably something that can just play shn03:56
crimsunRavensky: etree.org03:56
crimsunkeep in mind that shntool is in universe03:57
Ravenskyworkingmansdead, go into adept and install shntool :P03:57
fatejudgercrimsun: so why isn't the swapoff thing working?03:57
workingmansdeadalright, thanks man03:57
crimsunfatejudger: you don't know how to start kdm?03:58
crimsunfatejudger: how did you stop kdm?03:58
fatejudgercrimsun: logout -> end session -> menu -> log in using cli03:58
Ravenskyworkingmansdead, patrick, as I said, just keep konversation open (or remember how to connect to here) and ask your questions here because they know more about kubuntu than I do03:58
strannikcan konversation work with a proxy?03:59
workingmansdeadalright man, thanks03:59
workingmansdeadwhys your text red?03:59
Ravenskybecause I said your name03:59
workingmansdeadso it only goes to me?03:59
Ravenskyit highlights the message in red if someone says your name03:59
Ravenskyno03:59
workingmansdeador is it red for the hell of it03:59
crimsunfatejudger: no, the correct way is to switch to a virtual term (ctrl+alt+F1, for instance), log in, sudo invoke-rc.d kdm stop && sudo swapoff -a && sudo swapon -a && sudo invoke-rc.d kdm restart && logout03:59
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fatejudgercrimsun: I'm using the virtual terminal right now to talk in bitchx04:00
workingmansdeadravensky how bout a FLAC converter, FLACtool?04:00
fatejudgercrimsun: but why can't I stop KDM using the way I did it?04:00
crimsunworkingmansdead: a.k.a. flac?04:01
crimsunfatejudger: you didn't stop kdm, you logged out. Vast difference.04:01
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workingmansdeadcrimsun yes04:01
crimsunworkingmansdead: so why not use /usr/bin/flac?04:01
Ravenskyworkingmansdead, you installed the package called "flac", right?04:02
workingmansdeadcrimsun: im not aware of that, im new to Kubuntu04:02
Ravensky( workingmansdead is new to Linux itself )04:02
workingmansdeadthanks04:02
fatejudgercrimsun: it says that the "swapoff" operation isn't permitted04:03
RavenskyI essentially dumped him into a new OS and told him some really simple basics04:03
Ravenskyabout a week or so ago04:03
Ravenskymaybe 2?04:03
crimsunfatejudger: did you use the precise syntax I gave you?04:03
workingmansdeadand ive been on my own since04:03
fatejudgercrimsun: sudo swapoff -a && swapon -a04:03
fatejudgeroh wait04:03
Ravenskywell, all you really need is firefox, gaim, and other stuff04:03
fatejudgerI didn't have the second "sudo"04:04
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Ravenskyfatejudger, what are you trying to do?04:04
Ravenskyclear swap?04:04
fatejudgerRavensky: yeah, just did it04:04
Ravenskyah04:04
fatejudgerbrb04:04
workingmansdeadRavensky: so how would i go about converting something from SHN to mp3?04:05
Ravenskyworkingmansdead, just ask the channel, not me specifically04:05
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workingmansdeadalright04:05
fatejudgerso what's up with Breezy Backports not working?04:05
Ravenskyyou should probably join #ubuntu also, workingmansdead 04:05
Ravenskymore people to help you there04:06
workingmansdeadhow would i go about doing the actuall conversion from SHN to mp3 with the SHN tool?04:06
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Ravenskypatrick, join #ubuntu04:06
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workingmansdeadravensky  alright04:07
fatejudgerdoes anyone here use Breezy Backports?04:07
crimsunthere are no breezy backports yet.04:07
mejiwhat are backports?04:07
fatejudgercrimsun: oh, I see04:08
fatejudgercrimsun: that would be why it couldn't stat04:08
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mejican someone explain what are backports ?04:10
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fatejudgermeji: they're packages that are new for the next version of Kubuntu04:14
fatejudgermeji: but are ported back to the stable version04:15
fatejudgerright?04:15
fatejudgerso it would be packages for Dapper converted to Breezy packages04:15
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mejiok04:20
mejithanks04:20
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jbasilioanyone having issues with artsd in kde 3.5 beta2?  beta1 was working fine .. beta2 won't start arts04:40
Hobbseejbasilio: yep04:40
Hobbseesolution is to kill off the process using arts04:40
jbasiliogood i guess.  i'm not the only one04:40
Hobbseetry knotfiy04:40
Hobbseeyeah, heaps of people ahve it 04:41
Hobbseethere's the wiki that you can update with problems04:41
Hobbseehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems04:41
Hobbseewith any other problems you find not already listed there :)04:41
jbasilioawesome.  thanks.  bookmarked04:42
Hobbseeno problems04:42
jbasiliodesktop seems to crash when i click on it too .. overall my first impressions of beta2 are that it sucks crap.  :)04:45
Hobbseehehe...certainly seems to be more unstable than beta104:46
Hobbseecheck the wiki to see if someone's already said it04:46
narghrm... beta2 seem just fine for me04:47
narghavnt had any problems04:47
nargother than possibly that konq should be multithreaded so media can crash it...04:47
jbasiliowow.  amazing there could be such drastic differences .. i'm running pretty stock too04:47
Hobbseejbasilio: add it to the list, assuming it can be reproduced04:48
jbasilioif you mouse over any desktop icon, does your background go black and then redraw?04:48
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jesusfishis there a way to have css styles dropdown in Quanta+ ?04:53
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snugglemonkeyanyone know where I can find freenx in apt?   I'm using adept, and it isn't finding it for some reason.  I have all of the repositories on...04:58
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kevmanfreenx - The FreeNX application/thin-client server based on NX technology04:58
kevmansudo apt-get install freenx04:59
snugglemonkeykevman: which mirror?04:59
snugglemonkeyadept shoudl find this...04:59
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kevmanI don't know how to tell.04:59
Hobbsee!info freenx05:00
kevman0.3.1-2~5.04ubp1(/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_hoary-extras_main_binary-i386_Packages05:00
kevmanExtras...05:00
kevmanHoary? 0_o05:01
snugglemonkeyhm...05:01
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snugglemonkeywell, I am now finding that some of the mirrors are down....  _again_... 05:01
snugglemonkeylol05:01
kevmanHm. I can get it.05:02
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snugglemonkeyNo hoary here... lol05:03
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orugohey all05:10
Hobbseehi05:11
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orugohey05:11
orugohow can i use FIXEDSYS font05:11
orugoin aMSN05:12
orugoi mean i always used that font05:12
orugoand now in linux i cant :(05:12
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Hobbseeorugo: not sure what FIXEDSYS is - would it be part of msttcorefonts?05:15
kkathmanHey there Hobbsee :)05:20
Hobbseehey kkathman :D05:21
kkathmanHow are things tonight?05:21
Hobbseekkathman: just did my last ever english exam...so let those notes and syllabus BURN!05:22
orugomsttcorefonts maybe05:22
orugois a winshit font05:22
kkathmanHobbsee: congratulations!!05:22
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Hobbsee!msttcorefonts05:22
ubotumethinks msttcorefonts is methinks msttcorefonts is sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first05:22
Hobbseekkathman: :D ty05:22
kkathmanHobbsee: found a little buggie that cropped up with the kdebase update today :(05:24
Hobbseekkathman: which was that for?  as in, which kde?05:24
kkathmanHobbsee: apparently something in the update disabled automatic refresh of samba shares05:25
Hobbseekkathman: ^ ^ - which kde was this?  i cant remember?05:25
kkathmanHobbsee: I was deleting some files on my win box this morning, then went over to the linux box and I happened to pull that share up and the files were still there05:26
Hobbseeah...that's not godo05:26
Hobbsee*good05:26
Hobbseefile a bug for it?05:26
kkathmanHobbsee: the kdebase...there was an adept update today05:26
kkathmanHobbsee: yep i submitted a bug almost immediately...seems there's something adverse going on with /media05:26
kkathmanalot of people are finding problems05:27
Hobbseeum...didnt get an adept update, but i'm on beta1 here...05:27
Hobbseeyeah, /media and media:// was stuffed, i recall with 3.4.305:27
kkathmanwell it was working fine yesterday...but not after I did the update05:27
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Hobbsee:(05:28
kkathmanits not a big problem for me, I just do the F5 and refresh right after I pull up the share05:28
kkathmanbut its a symptom of a bigger prob I think05:28
Hobbseeeek...*remembers f5 for future reference&05:29
kkathmanyah someone told me about that today...I should have looked at the shortcuts05:29
kkathmanthere are shortcuts in almost every KDE app...05:30
Hobbseetrue05:31
Hobbseenow...what was i going to install, i wonder?05:31
kkathmanso you are on the 3.5 beta 1 ??05:31
Hobbseeyeah05:32
kkathmanI'd sure stay away from that beta2...they should have never released that05:32
Hobbseedid have beta 2 on here, had so many problems05:32
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Hobbseereinstalled agian...05:32
Hobbseegood thing i can do it without thinking by now05:32
kkathmanhaha05:32
Hobbseetried to just axe kde...it wouldnt work05:33
kkathmanI think I'll wait till its in final :)05:33
Hobbseefigured it was getting quicker to just reinstall, seeing as /home is on a sep partition05:33
Hobbseelol...beta1 is nice05:33
kkathmanI have been playing with the Koffice Suite...and for the most part its pretty impressive05:33
Hobbseei go back to 3.4.3 only, and try and drag the windows around...what's this???  oh yeah, on the old version lol05:33
Hobbseeooh i've been meaning to try that05:33
Hobbseehow is it compared to openoffice.org2?05:33
kkathmanHobbsee: well, its similar, but Koffice seems, to me, to be a bit friendlier and more robust05:34
kkathmanKrita is nice also05:34
orugohey05:34
Hobbseeguess there's no harm in trying it lol05:34
kkathmanyou should!05:34
Hobbseeyeah, got krita05:34
kkathmanhi orugo 05:34
orugothe transparecy of the windows in kubunto doesnt work05:34
Hobbseeyou got 1.4.2, i presume?05:35
orugohi kkathman 05:35
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Hobbseewhich windos?05:35
kkathmanorugo:  ??05:35
orugois a kde option05:35
orugo:(05:35
nicholaspaulAnyone know how to share a connection over ethernet? I'm connected to the router (wifi) but want to share the connection via the ethernet card... anyone??05:35
orugoa "new" option05:35
kkathmanI have a Konsole thats completely transparent05:35
orugobut it doesnt work 05:35
orugowell05:35
kkathmanorugo: tell me what you are doing and I'll try the same thing here05:35
orugobut i think that is possible to have "all" the windows05:35
orugookei05:36
orugoin preferences05:36
orugocontrol center05:36
kkathmanSystem Settings?05:36
orugono05:36
orugopreferences05:36
kkathmanpreferences where?05:36
orugowell05:36
orugomaybe yes05:36
orugoi added "preferences" in my kde menu05:36
orugoit was in the task bar05:36
orugoanyway05:37
orugoi think that in desktop properties05:37
orugoyou can go there05:37
kkathmanhmmm..are you on breezy?05:37
orugooh05:37
orugono you cant :(05:37
orugoright05:37
kkathman??05:37
kinfowhat?05:37
nicholaspaulanyone know how to share connections?05:37
orugoits in preferencs :(05:37
kkathmanorugo: Im a bit lost now05:37
orugosystem settings is a different thing05:38
orugooh05:38
orugoyou can do it from system settings05:38
orugosystem settings05:38
kkathmanorugo: ok tell me where you are going to get to these "preferences"05:38
orugodesktop05:38
orugogo there05:38
kkathmanon the desktop?05:38
orugo(i added the "preferences" links in the kde)05:38
orugono05:38
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orugoin the system settings05:38
orugoenter to "desktop"05:39
kkathmanok Im there05:39
kkathmannow what?05:39
satafterhso how buggy is kde beta 2?05:39
orugothen go to windows behaviour05:39
orugoor something05:39
orugo(i have kde in spanish)05:39
kkathmanok05:39
nicholaspaulanyone know how to share connections?05:39
orugothen go to translucency :P05:39
kkathmanright05:39
nicholaspauli have a machine connected and want to share that with another... anyone?05:39
kkathmannicholaspaul: be patient :)05:40
orugoi know to do that.. but in win xp :(05:40
kkathmanorugo: so you clicked the box05:40
nicholaspaulhi kkathman. 05:40
Hobbseesatafterh: unfortunately, very05:40
nicholaspaul;)05:40
orugoright05:40
orugoand nothing happens :(05:40
orugoi want to have transparances05:40
orugohaah05:40
orugolike my kde menu05:40
orugoand my task bar05:40
kkathmando you get the warning message orugo?05:41
PupenoDoes anybody know of a program that can automatically rename jpgs to its exif date ?05:41
orugoyes05:41
kkathmanok05:41
satafterh#Hobbsee- i have beta 1, its a little buggy but not that bad, think ill stick with it for now05:41
kkathmanorugo: its a new feature...and I dont use it personally cuz I like stability :)05:42
Hobbseesatafterh: beta1 seems stable for most people, beta 2 is completely the opposite05:42
orugoright05:42
orugobut05:42
orugoit doesnt works05:42
orugoi just wanted to try it05:42
orugohaha05:42
Hobbseesatafterh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems for more info05:42
orugohey05:42
kkathmanok nicholaspaul whats with your network issues?05:42
orugoyou just have to use kde stable version :P05:43
orugoit rulez05:43
orugohey05:43
Hobbseeorugo: nah...but it doesnt have some of the later functionality05:43
satafterh#Hobbsee- readit, just wanted to see what people here thought05:43
orugolike what05:43
Hobbseeah ok05:43
orugo(i didnt try the beta :P)05:43
Hobbseedragging windows around from desktop to desktop...so the virtual desktops have gotten more efficient05:43
Hobbseethat's the thing i mostly notice05:43
orugoi dont use virtual desktops :P05:44
Hobbseei recall that the media:/ thing works05:44
Hobbseebah...how do you possibly cope lol?05:44
orugohey05:44
orugodoes anybody now a gmail notifier for linux'05:44
orugomy KCHECKMAIL doesnt works :(05:44
orugodunno wy05:44
Hobbseethere's a howto for it on ubuntuforums.com i recall05:45
Hobbseenot sure if it's gnome or kde section05:45
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dreamwavehello.  are there packages available for koffice 1.4.2?05:46
Hobbsee!kubuntu05:46
ubotuKubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/05:46
Hobbseesee the first link on that05:46
Hobbseedreamwave: yes there are05:46
dreamwaveah ha!  where?05:46
orugo!gmail05:46
ubotuNot a clue, orugo05:46
Hobbseehttp://kubuntu.org/ 05:46
dreamwaveokay.. clicking...05:46
Hobbsee!tell orugo about ubuntuforums05:47
orugohaha05:47
dreamwaveHobbsee: cool.  thanks.05:47
orugoubotu tell orugo about ubuntuforums05:47
Hobbseedreamwave: no problems05:47
orugothats the way :P05:47
Hobbseeit doesnt know what it is05:47
Hobbseeand either works05:47
Hobbseeubuntuforums.org05:48
satafterhk you-bun-two 05:48
Hobbseego search for gmail notifier05:48
orugookei05:48
orugoill do that05:48
orugotks :P05:48
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satafterhk you-bun-two is for the lay person05:48
satafterhlol05:49
satafterhnow i am the lay person who has a question for an exspert, i have kubuntu dvd, it i boor up off it and reeinstall it will i loose everything i have or will everthing just go back to default, like kde 3.4.305:51
satafterhif i boot05:51
nicholaspaulhi kkathman. 05:52
nicholaspaulkkathamn: i have a wifi card, and an ethernet card and want to plug my laptop into the e.card . How can i share the internet connection? I'm sure theres a setting somewhere. 05:53
kkathmannicholaspaul: do you have samba installed?05:53
nicholaspaulkkathamn- yes05:53
nicholaspaulkkathman - yes05:54
kkathmanso you have a laptop with a wifi and an internet connection?05:54
nicholaspaulnope, a desktop . it has wifi (that connects to the router )and an ethernet card. 05:55
nicholaspaulI want to plug a laptop into the ethernet. 05:55
kkathmannicholaspaul: well you cannot have the wifi and internet active at the same time on the same machine05:56
nicholaspauli have both cards 'activated', kkathman, under Network Settings05:57
kkathmannicholaspaul: which one do you have linux on??05:58
kkathmanthe desktop or the laptop05:58
nicholaspaulboth. 05:58
kkathmanok05:58
kkathmanand the desktop has wifi connection to the router05:58
nicholaspaulyes05:58
kkathmanand you want to plug the laptop hard cable to the router or hub?05:59
nicholaspaulto the desktop05:59
nicholaspaulto the router works, no problem. .05:59
kkathmanyou want to plug your laptop to the desktop?06:00
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nicholas_paulyes, kkathman06:02
nicholas_paul(nicholaspaul and nicholas_paul are the same:) )06:02
kkathmanno you dont want to do that...there's no reason06:03
kkathmanjust hook them both to the router06:04
kkathmanyou can share across the network like I do06:04
nicholas_paulthere is a reason. The router is 20ft away, i dont have cables , and ubuntu ppc wifi doesnt exist. 06:04
nicholas_paulok, i dont have 20' cables....06:05
kkathmanwell plugging a laptop to your desktop ... I'd never do that...and wouldnt even know what to tell you :)06:06
nicholas_paulyou wouldnt do it? 06:07
kkathmannever06:08
nicholas_paulok. So can you recommend a wifi card for Ubuntu ppc?06:08
kkathmannicholaspaul: Im sure you can Google for that info, I dont know one off the top of my head 06:10
nicholas_paulhow about an ndiswrapper for ppc?06:10
kkathmanyes I think thats available06:11
nicholas_pauli see. 06:12
nicholas_paulBut I shouldn't plug a laptop into a desktop?06:12
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runelindis it just me, or does cifs mounting not work very well in breezy?06:12
runelindit worked fine in hoary, but now I keep getting cut off when I watch videos06:13
kkathmannicholaspaul: no you shouldnt06:14
nicholas_paulok. Thank you 06:14
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gerardocbHi06:16
gerardocbAnybody alive?06:16
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kkathmanhello gerardocb  :)06:18
gerardocbHi06:19
gerardocbHave a KDE related question... Tried on #kde but didn't get any response06:19
gerardocbActually I'm using kubuntu06:19
kkathmanwell ask it and we'll try to help06:20
gerardocbI configured KDE for openning some windows on specific desktops06:20
gerardocbIt works fine06:20
kkathmanok06:20
gerardocbBut whenever an application opens a new windows, KDE switches from my current desktop to the desktop the window must be opened06:21
gerardocb(wow... my english is really baaaad)06:21
gerardocbIs there a way so I can avoid that?06:21
gerardocbU know... If i'm coding in desktop 1 and kopete opens a windows because somebody writes me, desktop is switched...06:22
gerardocbIt's very annoying...06:22
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kkathmangerardocb: yeah thats the way it is06:23
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gerardocbUh?06:23
kkathmanby setting apps to run on a particular desktop, it will always switch to that desktop06:23
gerardocbI don't want the desktop be switched...06:23
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gerardocbIsn't there a way to avoid that?06:23
kkathmanwell there are a couple of things I guess.06:24
gerardocbyes?06:24
kkathmanWhat I do, is that I dont set an application to be associated with a desktop06:24
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kkathmanI open it in a desktop if I want, and leave it there06:24
kkathmanbut normally, thats the default behaviour06:25
kkathmanan app will always run in the desktop it was opened in06:25
gerardocbUmmmm...06:25
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kkathmanso, if you have kopete or Gaim06:25
kkathmanjust open it in the same desktop you are coding in and minimize it06:26
kkathmanonly run static programs in fixed desktops06:26
kkathmanlike a browser for instance or Kontakt06:26
kkathmanbut not an instant messenger06:27
gerardocbAnd then, when somebody writes me, the window will appear in the same desktop, true?06:27
SchiffbHey all, I have a fresh installation of kubuntu now, and plan on writing some LaTeX.. now what I'd like is to use "Kile", and I noticed that it used the Kate editor.. what's the correct way to install Kile for me now that I already have kate?06:27
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nicholas_paulkkathman, ever hear of firestarter?06:29
gerardocbI use it on my home06:30
regeyanicholas_paul: prodigy sucks06:30
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poimenhi06:30
nicholas_paulI dont have any of their albums, regeya06:30
nicholas_paulheheh!06:30
nicholas_pauland you're right. 06:31
regeyanicholas_paul: I've heard of it.  It's a GNOME-based firewall rules builder.  if you're looking for a very basic hands-off firewall-building gui, it's ok.06:31
poimenhello : how can I install a deb package?06:32
nicholas_paulok thx regeya06:32
gerardocbpoimem, dpkg -i package_filename06:32
poimenas root right?06:32
gerardocbright06:32
gerardocbsudo dpkg -i package_filename, the ubuntu way :-D06:33
poimenna I did susdo passwd install06:33
poimenI am configured the old same way but new to debian related stuff :)06:33
gerardocbhahahaha06:34
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gerardocbsudo works fine...06:35
ecobuntuhi kubuntuers06:35
kkathmanhey ecobuntu  :)06:35
gerardocbhi ecobuntu06:35
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poimensomeone got skype working here06:36
poimen??06:36
kinfoi don't understand.06:36
poimenin kubuntu breezy?06:36
poimenskype depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3.2); however:06:36
poimen  Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed.06:36
ecobuntuwhat is skype?06:36
poimenand in kubuntu it is libqt3-mt :(06:37
poimenskype.com06:37
poimenit is a very cool Voice over Ip program06:37
gerardocbpoimen, I do06:38
gerardocbDownload the rpm package for mandrake06:38
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gerardocbalien skype-blah-blah.rpm06:38
gerardocbAnd then install the generated deb package06:38
kkathmanskype is like a instant messenger on steroids that has voice with it06:38
DigitalHobbiti just joined the chat to find out about installing skype on kubuntu. funny. :)06:39
kkathmanwas recently bought by Microsoft I think...or someone I forget06:39
DigitalHobbitebay, i think06:39
kkathmanyah ebay thats it06:39
gerardocbkkarthman, u kidding, right???06:39
gerardocboh06:39
gerardocbebay06:39
kkathmanone of those monopolies :)06:39
gerardocbthat's ok06:39
kkathmanno Im not kidding06:39
gerardocbWell... ebay is fine06:40
poimenok thabkx gerardocb thankx06:40
gerardocbMicrosoft isn't!06:40
kkathmanLOL ebay is fine :)06:40
kkathmanhaha06:40
DigitalHobbitdoes anybody know the best way (if any) to install skype on amd64?06:40
gerardocbpoimen, did it work?06:40
regeyaupgrades are fun.06:40
gerardocbkkathman, well... compare... :)06:40
poimendownloading the package right now06:40
poimen1:30 min remaning06:40
gerardocbok06:40
kkathmanlike I said...both very commercial and both VERY monopolistic06:40
DigitalHobbiti previously had this working on gentoo, but there doesn't seem to be an amd64 skype ubuntu package06:40
gerardocbwtf???06:40
kkathmanif you dont think so...do the research :)06:41
gerardocbkkathman... hehehe06:41
kkathmanand especially read about Meg Whittingham's venture into China with eBay06:41
kkathmanand the tactics she pulled against Yahoo06:41
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kkathmanif you think Bill Gates is bad...he's wimp compared to mama W06:42
gerardocbBut eBay doesn't make software, as Microsoft do... so... it's ok if they bought skype06:42
gerardocbmama W?06:42
kkathmangerardocb: ask your self....why would ebay buy a software company?06:42
gerardocbMake money?06:42
gerardocbwell...06:42
gerardocbMake more money...06:43
kkathmanand then do the research...its like...uhmm.. why has Google been hiring compiler experts when they are in the search engine biz?06:43
gerardocb'cause the search engine has compiler theory behind? :-D06:43
kkathmangerardocb: when you play at that level its never about money...that just comes as a result of the #1 reason you have a business06:43
gerardocb?06:44
kkathmanto create a market06:44
gerardocbOh06:44
gerardocband... ?06:44
kkathmanyou create a market...the money follows06:44
gerardocbtrue...06:44
kkathmanPeter Drucker 10106:44
gerardocbuh?06:44
gerardocbWhat's wrong about creating market?06:45
kkathmannothing...its the primary purpose of a business06:45
poimenwell if someone want to add me in skype it is poimen706:45
poimenwell 06:45
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DigitalHobbitnobody know about skype / amd64?06:46
poimenthakx gerardocb it worked now I have to do a very importand thing06:46
poimenplay ut2004 :D06:46
aliveuserhi, i've just upgrate to breezy06:46
poimenbye06:46
aliveuserbut i always have a cdrom icon in the desktop, with or without a cd06:46
aliveuserhow can i solve it?06:46
kkathmanDigitalHobbit: I dont know why once you have installed breezy or hoary, the skype package will just work once installed06:46
gerardocbaliveuser, kubuntu?06:46
aliveuseryes06:47
DigitalHobbitwell, i can't find a skype package. i don't think one exists for amd6406:47
DigitalHobbiti already added the official skype repository, but that's only for i38606:47
kkathmanaliveuser:  you can go to the System Settings, choose the desktop option and turn those off06:48
gerardocbaliveuser: right-click on the desktop, configure desktop, behavior, device icons, unmounted cdrom06:48
kkathmanDigitalHobbit: I didnt know they made two different versions06:48
DigitalHobbitwell, i guess the problem is they don't :)06:48
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kkathmanseems that if you write a program you write it to the kernel..and once the kernel is installed, apps should work06:49
aliveuseryes ive done that06:49
aliveuserbut i uncheck the option06:49
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gerardocbaliveuser, all of the options?06:49
aliveuserwhen i put a cd in the cdrom it doesn't show me the icon06:49
aliveuserall?06:49
aliveuserwhat do u mean?06:49
gerardocball of the "unmounted" options06:50
aliveuserto uncheck them?06:50
gerardocbyes06:51
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aliveuserif i uncheck them06:53
aliveuserit doesn't show the cdrom icon06:54
aliveuserwith hoary, i didn't have the cdrom icon all the time06:54
aliveuserjust when i put the cd into the cdrom06:54
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aliveuserthen i mount it06:54
aliveuseretc etc etc06:54
aliveuserdo u get me?06:55
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gerardocbsure06:56
gerardocbSo...06:56
gerardocbRight now you don't have an icon, right?06:57
aliveuseryes06:57
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aliveusereven i put a cd into the cdrom and nothing appears06:57
gerardocbOh06:57
aliveuseri don't mount it06:58
aliveuserjust put the cd into the cdrom06:58
gerardocbGo to settings:/Components/07:00
gerardocbService Manager07:00
gerardocbIs KDED Media Manager enabled?07:00
gerardocband running?07:01
aliveuseryes it's running07:01
gerardocbummm07:01
aliveusera question of another thing07:02
aliveuseri upgrate to breezy without being connected to the internet07:02
aliveuserthat takes off a lot of packages an programs07:02
aliveuserbut i have the sensation that kubuntu is too slow07:02
aliveuseri'm now upgrading some packages07:02
aliveuserbut i don't know if its best to reinstall everything 07:03
gerardocbaliveuser: that takes off a lot of packages an programs   <---- that's normal when you upgrade from version to version07:03
aliveuseri mean07:03
gerardocbI think it's better (and quicker) to reinstall07:03
aliveuserreinstall the whole breezy release07:03
gerardocbIf you have a different partition for /home, of course07:03
aliveuserk07:03
aliveuserif not, just copy the info?07:04
aliveuserthats all?07:04
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gerardocbtrue07:04
gerardocbbackup, and restore07:04
aliveusertnks07:04
gerardocbI think it's better to make one partition for /home, still...07:04
regeyathat 'reinstall for a new release' is a good reason to have /home on a separate partition, imho07:04
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orugohi07:05
gerardocbor 'reinstall for a new distro' :-D07:05
raingroveregeya,gerardocb, that's true, but...that's if you have plenty of freespace07:05
orugohey i have problem with the repos07:05
orugoin the synaptic07:05
gerardocbhi, orugo07:05
gerardocbraingrove, what's the difference?07:06
regeyaraingrove: that's...um...07:06
raingrovei mean like... i have only 10GB of space07:06
raingroveassigned for linux partition07:06
regeyaI used to have a 90MB drive on a desktop workstation partitioned.07:06
raingrovehaha.07:06
raingrovebut i use x windows, play multimedia files and stuff:P07:07
gerardocbWhat's the problem?07:07
regeya2-4G for /, everything else /home, mebbe.07:07
gerardocbThere's no difference07:07
gerardocbYou can make still a partition07:07
gerardocbhehehe07:07
raingroveu might not know how much each partition may require07:07
regeyayeah, and when you buy a drive, you might not know your true storage requirements.  let's give up and die.07:08
gerardocbWhat if u do require +10GB07:08
gerardocb?07:08
raingrovei am sayin07:08
raingrovei only have 10 GB07:08
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raingroveso i can't like afford to do 5GB 5GB07:08
regeyawow.  I didn't know that advocating a separate /home would make me the target of attack.07:08
raingrovedid i attack you?07:08
regeyaI don't currently have a separate /home.07:08
gerardocbI do07:08
regeyalet's all be friends.07:08
raingrovei dont know why you get offended so easily man07:09
regeyagerardocb: but what if you need more space???!?07:09
raingroveexactly.07:09
regeyaDEFEND YOURSELF!07:09
gerardocbhahahaha07:09
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gerardocbWhat if you do require more than 10GB???07:09
raingrovedidnt i say07:10
raingroveregeya,gerardocb, that's true, but...that's if you have plenty of freespace07:10
gerardocbLook...07:10
gerardocbRight now, in my new kubuntu box, I have 1.6GB allocated for all of the directories, but /home07:11
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raingrovei see.07:11
gerardocbOk07:11
raingrovei dont think 1.6gb is enough for me07:11
gerardocbWhat if I have a 10GB disk?07:11
raingrovefor the rest.07:11
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aliveuseranother question, i've heard out there, that if u install ubuntu, and the kubuntu-desktop, it's better than installing kubuntu?07:12
aliveuserhow much truth is that?07:12
gerardocbWell If i have a 10GB disk, I know I can't allocate more than 8.4 GB for all of my files, true?07:12
raingrovewait ur claim doesnt make sense07:12
raingroveu allocated 1.6 gb for /07:12
raingroveand the rest for /home?07:12
gerardocbIt's an example07:12
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raingroveyeap but then again u can07:13
raingroveu can't install more than 1.6 07:13
gerardocbTrue07:13
raingrovefor /usr and stuff07:13
raingroveso there's the dilemma07:13
gerardocbSo...07:13
raingroveif i had a 80gb partition or something. i could just dump like 40gb each and forget everything07:13
kkathmanharddrives are cheap tho07:14
raingrovei have 80gb but07:14
raingrove70gb are ntfs partitions07:14
kkathmanI put my entire linux box together for around $35007:14
gerardocbAh!07:14
regeyaraingrobe: it's only a dilemma if you require more room later.  look, I don't understand why this is causing great stress for you, and maybe it's just because I spent way too many hours at the office, but shut up already. :-)07:14
gerardocbThat's the problem!07:14
regeyaraingrove: sorry. :-)  I didn't mean that, seriously.07:14
kkathmanregeya!! Long time no see :)07:15
raingrovei wish i could have a separate partition for /home07:15
regeyaraingrove: let's just say that for some people, a partitioning strategy such as 1GB for /, 4GB for /usr, 2GB for /var, and everything else for /home makes sense.07:15
regeyaraingrove: and for others, it doesn't.07:16
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raingrovemy disk usage is quite unpredictable sadly,07:16
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root_what the hell guys07:16
regeyaraingrove: why?  do you store your porn in /var/tmp?07:16
root_i can't shutdown07:16
kkathmanhey there root_ !07:17
regeyahi root.07:17
root_what's happening?07:17
raingrovei dont think ineed 2gb for /var 07:17
root_hi07:17
regeyaroot root root07:17
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gerardocbWell, raingrove... if it isn't that predictable, I think it's not good to have 10GB only for Linux...07:17
root_mhh07:17
root_eheh07:17
regeyaroot: join #debian, they can tell you.07:17
raingrovegerardocb,  i am using a laptop man07:17
root_why can't you?07:17
root_i'm a ubuntu07:17
raingroventfs is taking70gb out of 80gb07:17
root_kubuntu user07:17
root_.. :P07:17
raingroveto maximise the use of HDD07:17
raingrovei am not partitioning my filesystem07:17
gerardocbOk, raingrove07:18
regeyaroot_: because it'd be more entertaining to see them turn you into mincemeat.  plus you're a little vague.07:18
gerardocbThe /home stuff isn't for you right now...07:18
gerardocb"The end"07:18
gerardocb:-D07:18
root_mhh07:18
regeyaI earned a kickban in freenode's #debian once by changing my ident to 'toor'07:18
raingrovegerardocb , well if u had a 10gb partition how much would u assign for /home07:18
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root_regeya: has never happen to you that once you send shutdown request it's not executed?07:18
regeyaroot_: not on a linux box.07:19
root_or better, it is ..... but it do nothing07:19
raingroveit happened to me07:19
root_regeya: i'm in a linux box07:19
gerardocbraingrove, at first, I wouldn't be expecting to install a lot of apps, besides the OS07:19
regeyaroot_: 07:19
root_god! i can see the shutdown process in the ps list07:19
regeyarofflecopters.07:19
raingroveroot_ : just force shut down. it will make ur filesystem unclean though07:19
root_by now the procedure is in execution07:19
root_i can't too07:19
root_-f right?07:20
raingrovethe power switch :P07:20
root_ah.. 07:20
root_:P07:20
root_yeah but i don't like it07:20
root_!!07:20
ubotu[!]  what you add before a sentence to talk to me07:20
root_ok..... why it happens!! uheee|!!07:20
raingrove??07:21
kinfoi don't understand.07:21
raingrovehe's a bot07:21
gerardocbCtrl-Alt-powerbutton07:21
raingroveor rather.. It's a bot07:21
root_nothing.....07:21
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root_it doesn't answer....07:21
root_uhee07:21
aliveuseris there a way to reconfigure all the system from zero? like said to kubuntu to analize all the hardware and reconfigure it?07:21
aliveuseris there a way to reconfigure all the system from zero? like said to kubuntu to analize all the hardware and reconfigure it?07:24
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root_shit07:26
root_merdacciao07:26
root_what i could do07:26
root_i don't like to press the shutdown button07:27
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root_this is supposed to be a linux system.. no ********** meaningless problems07:27
root_who wanna see the nice screenshot? with 4 shutdown processes?07:28
nutateroot_ what's the issue?07:29
root_i tried to shutdown07:29
root_and the system is still active07:29
root_even opening a new shell and launching the shutdown the system doesnt'07:29
gerardocbroot_, it may be because a module that doesn't want to quit07:29
raingrovelinux is not so good like what you think:P07:29
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propagandhiraingrove: thats a bold statement07:30
nutateroot_: did you try shutdown -h now?07:30
root_ues07:30
root_yes07:30
root_it seems that there's a umount process that is locked07:30
nutateah07:30
root_it's a standard user process and i can't terminate it using root07:31
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nutateroot_: root can terminate any users process, but sometimes mount can be tricky07:31
root_yes,.. i see07:32
root_but it was an unmounting of a ipod i think (only thing mountable as user)07:32
root_..and now it is unconnected07:32
nutatebut the umount is zombied?07:32
root_i don't know07:33
satafterhany one found a work around for sound issue in kde beta 207:33
root_the last time that i heard zombied was in the operative system class07:33
root_isn't there a forced kill?07:34
nutate/usr/bin/killall -USR1 automount07:34
root_usr is the user?07:34
nutatethat may do the trick, but I'm just googling07:34
nutateusr is a directory, which oddly doesn't stand for usr07:34
nutateerr user07:34
nutatethat's just the full path to the command07:35
nutatebut everyone i know pronounces usr user even though it originally stood for unix system resources or some such07:35
root_really?07:35
root_i didn't know that07:35
root_nice07:35
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root_anyway nothing07:36
elementarmycan someone help with compiling07:36
nutateumount -l may help07:36
gerardocb-USR1 on kill is a signal07:36
elementarmy?07:36
nutateumount -l being lasy umount07:37
gerardocbelementarmy, what's the problem?07:37
nutategerardocb: indeed07:37
elementarmythe program will compile but when i run make i get alot of errors07:37
gerardocbBut, you could kill the user, if you want to... :-D07:37
gerardocbUmmm07:38
gerardocbSo it doesn't compile...07:38
gerardocbmake = compile07:38
elementarmyi compiles and tells me to run make07:38
gerardocbMay be you need some libraries...07:38
elementarmy*it07:38
gerardocbYou do configure...07:38
elementarmyyes07:38
elementarmyand thats it 07:39
root_?07:39
gerardocbconfigure is not the same as compile07:39
root_nutate: what?07:39
gerardocbSo...07:39
gerardocbUmmm...07:39
root_umount -l ?07:39
elementarmymy bad (newb)07:39
gerardocbWhat errors do u have?07:39
elementarmyhold on one sec07:39
nutateroot_: umount -l /whatever/your/trying/to/unmount07:39
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dreamwaveis there a repository with the latest k3b?07:40
elementarmyit says kdecoration is not declared then gives me three more error1 then an [all]  error207:41
root_nutate: i don't know what i'm trying to unmount07:41
root_there's nothing else that the root in the mtab now07:41
elementarmycrystalclient.moc: In member function 'virtual void* CrystalClient::qt_cast(const char*)':07:42
elementarmythat sould help maybe:-)07:42
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gerardocbWell... may be that source code is not "compilable" (compilable???) under kubuntu...07:43
gerardocbWhat package is it?07:44
elementarmycrystal-0.9.5 its a visual thing from kde-look.org07:44
helpmeman clicking on home takes 30sec for it to load!!........why is kubuntu so slow? do u guys have same?07:44
helpmenautilus opens in a flash under kde!07:45
gerardocbelementarmy: I'm afraight I can't help you more...07:46
elementarmythat cool thanks alot for your time:-)07:46
helpmeelementarmy: is it an icon theme? then its simple to install it..........07:46
elementarmyno it makes every thing transparent07:46
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elementarmyi mean every thing!! you sould go look at it on kde-look.org07:47
helpmetry this...select the file u downloaded from kcontrol and see.........07:47
helpmegimme the link.....07:48
elementarmywell see ya (thanks again) iam in serach for some more stuff07:50
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helpmeman clicking on home takes 30sec for it to load!!........why is kubuntu so slow? do u guys have same?07:53
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SchiffbHey folks .. I'm trying to install something here (./configure script) and get the following error: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!07:54
Schiffbhow can I fix this problem?07:54
chavohelpme, it loads in about 1 second for me07:54
chavoSchiffb, install x11proto-core-dev 07:55
helpmechavo: whats ur RAM?07:55
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chavo1 gig of ram07:55
Schiffbthanks chavo I will try that!07:55
shalewhen i apt-get kubuntu-desktop it asks if i want to use kdm or gdm... does it matter?07:55
chavoshale, doesn't really matter, you can try both07:56
Schiffbchavo: x11proto-core-dev is already the newest version.07:56
helpmechavo: whoa! thats why! ive got 256MB:(07:56
shalethx chavo... how do i switch?07:56
gerardocbshale, it's only that when you are inside KDE you can't shutdown the machine through the icon07:57
gerardocbFor have that working you must select kdm07:57
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chavoSchiffb, try libx11-dev, it's one of the xorg development files07:58
chavohelpme, even with 256 it shouldnt take that long07:58
chavois something hogging the cpu?07:58
Schiffbchavo:  I have already tried that one :\07:58
helpmenope...even on bare desktop it takes same......07:58
helpmenautilus opens in a flash! coooooool!07:59
chavoSchiffb, hmm, I just installed it the other day and I can't remember which package it is07:59
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Schiffbchavo:  I have a fresh installation btw .. 1 hour old and hardly done anything07:59
shaleok that was easy07:59
shalenow i'm in kde i guess :)07:59
chavoSchiffb, I think it's this one x-window-system-dev08:00
shaleso i can see that its different... but what is better? :)08:02
shalemore applets?08:03
Schiffbbah, now I can't fetch updates with Adept08:04
shalehow do i adjust the default font size?08:05
shaleits freakin tiny08:05
Schiffbsystem settings somewhere08:05
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chavoshale, filemanager icons?08:07
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chavoyou can just ctrl-Mousewheel to change them08:08
shaleum i think so (not sure what filemanager is)08:08
shalei mean font size08:08
shaleits too small how can i increase?08:08
chavoshale, Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Appearance08:09
Schiffbchavo: how can I change to another repository.. my current one doesn't seem to be working properly08:09
shaleah.. thank08:09
gerardocbshale: K Menu, System Settings, Personal, Appearance08:09
gerardocbOh08:09
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gerardocbWell... something like that08:09
chavoSchiffb, not sure, I don't know of any mirrors08:09
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Schiffbanyone here using no.archive (norwegian)? could you fetch updates if so?08:10
chavo!gpgerr08:12
ubotuIf you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.08:12
Schiffbthanks ubotu, I do get GPG error so I'll try what you said there08:13
shaleok i think i like kde better08:13
shaleits got more "stuff"08:13
shaleand feels faster... or is it just me?08:13
chavoshale, it's faster for me08:13
Schiffbubotu: I shouldn't remove any directories there right? (partial)08:14
ubotuWish i knew, Schiffb08:14
helpmehuh? i always thought gnome was faster......r u serious?08:14
chavoSchiffb, no don't remove directories and ubotu is a bot08:15
Schiffblol, I didn't know that08:15
Schiffbwhat a clown I am08:15
chavothat's ok, he's a nice bot :)08:15
Schiffbnot like there was any hints in the name :D08:16
chavohe's the same one that's in #ubuntu08:16
shaleso what else is cooler about kde ?08:17
shaleturn me on08:17
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chavoshale, I like a lot of things about KDE. It's just more advanced than gnome. The apps are great and it's very customizable.08:19
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shaleok08:20
shalei'll have to spend some time with it08:20
shalei've been on gnome cuz it was the default i guess08:20
chavoI like gnome too, I used it for years, but they just kept taking out features and options till there's nothing left that I like.08:21
SchiffbI'm used to Gnome also .. I'd really like to change how you swap desktops in KDE.. ctrl-tab is rather awkward I think08:22
aftertafi find kde faster too.08:22
aftertafSchiffb:  try alt + F1/2/3/408:22
chavoSchiffb, you can change all of that in KDE08:22
aftertafSchiffb:  or config it to be that;)08:22
chavoyou can do it with mousewheel on desktop also08:23
Schiffbyeah.. using laptop though08:23
Schiffbso how do I config it?08:23
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shaleare there themes in kde like in gnome?08:24
aftertafshale:  www.kde-look.org08:25
helpmeim on kubuntu...i installed gdm....now ive got large menu and icons in kde.....plz help!08:25
aftertafhelpme:  try reducing their size via appearance in sys settings08:25
chavoSchiffb, system settings -> regional & accesibility -> keyboard shortcuts08:25
aftertafhelpme:  and why did you put gdm?08:25
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helpmeno no it wont that way...panel is ok...only icons & menu have grown up!08:25
helpmeaftertaf: coz gdm has nice themes:)08:25
chavoshale, window decorations and styles need to be compiled in KDE, there are packages for quite a few though08:26
aftertafhelpme:  change xorg.conf and put the 100dpi fonts before the 75dpi fonts08:26
shalewhat about web browser... y'all use konquerer or firefox?08:26
aftertafboth08:26
chavokonqueror for me08:26
helpmeaftertaf: thx08:26
helpmeopera:)08:26
aftertaf:)08:27
shale:)08:27
shalei notice my shortcut to firefox is nowhere to be found :)08:27
aftertafkatapult it08:27
shalehunh?08:27
aftertaf!katapult08:27
ubotu[katapult]  an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.08:27
helpmeaftertaf: help needed....i see many lines with dpi etc.....what to do?08:29
Schiffbyou guys use Kopete or Gaim?08:29
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shalei use gaim08:30
helpmegaim....u dont get yahoo chatrooms in kopete........08:30
aftertafhelpme:  find the line with 100dpi and the one with 75dpi. If the 75dpi appears in the file before the 100dpi, edit mode :D08:30
shaleonce a theme is d/l'd from kde-look.org... how do i install it?08:30
aftertafgaim, i find it stabler08:30
aftertafshale:  there sould be a readme on the ste, or in the tarball08:31
bjvapt-get install gnome-desktop-environment    is giving me some errors, i assume that is because im 1/2 thru an upgrade to breezy.08:31
bjvthat is the correct command, though?08:31
bjvto install gnome>?08:31
helpmeaftertaf: the unscaled one or the other pair of lines?08:31
aftertafhelpme:  i dunno..... make a backup and change all that seem like they could need it ;)08:31
helpmebjv: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop08:32
aftertafbjv:  try ubuntu-desktop08:32
aftertafbjv:  and pastebin your errors.08:32
gerardocbDo u know if there is a good videoconferencing tool for kde?08:32
bjvhelpme: ah, thanks08:32
bjvk08:32
helpmeaftertaf: looks like i'll stick to nice sweet gnome;)08:32
shaleok a really dumb question... its asking me what to open "README" with... ?08:33
aftertafhelpme:  :/    get E17!!!!08:33
aftertaflol shale :)08:33
chavoshale, try kate08:33
aftertafshale:  any text editor, just a text file.08:33
helpmeshale: if its icon theme thats easy to install08:33
helpmeaftertaf: whats E17?08:33
helpme!info e1708:33
shalethe readme is blank :|08:34
aftertaflol08:34
bjvaftertaf: thanks, no errors.   but ouch.. 170mib? guess ill finish my breezy upgrade 1st.08:34
bjvbefore i torture my dialup more. :o08:34
SchiffbI'm still getting errors when trying to fetch updates :(08:34
aftertafhelpme:  http://www.get-e.org08:34
helpmeshale: select the theme file via kcontrol...see what happens08:34
shalewhat the hell is kcontrol08:35
helpmeaftertaf: i see.....08:35
bjvSchiffb: apt-get updates?  i just  sed s/us.archive/archive/g the source list08:35
chavoshale, system settings08:35
helpmeshale: kde control center dude08:36
aftertaflol08:36
shaleok i'm there... Appearance?08:36
chavowell it's replaced by system settings in kubuntu no?08:36
Schiffbbjv: I have no.archive right now (I'm Norwegian).. should I change it to something else until it's repaired or something?08:37
shaleoh well... too complex... i gues the default theme is fine08:37
bjvSchiffb: if you are having problems? yeah, i just took the prefix off all togeather.08:37
shalei can see an 'import theme' button on the icons tab but thats it08:37
Schiffbbjv: ok I'll have a go08:38
helpmeshale: there shud be install theme button08:38
bjvyeah, i dont know if that means im using a default repo or if it is selecting a new mirror?08:38
shalehelpme, there is, in the icons section, but it gives me a lovely breaking glass sound when i point it to the bz2 file08:38
chavoshale, a theme is made up of all the different parts -> window deco, style. icons, fonts, etc08:39
bjvbut, try it though.08:39
helpmeshale: hehe....then im afraid u'll have to do things manually08:39
shaleso i have to install each seperately?08:39
helpmeshale: is it icon theme?08:39
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shalehelpme, no i believe its an entire theme... polymer.tar.bz208:39
helpmeif its icon theme, extract it into /usr/share/icons.....08:40
chavoshale, polymer is a windeco and a style08:40
helpmeshale: well ive no xp with general themes.....sorry08:40
chavoyou have to compile it, unless there's a package08:40
shaleroger08:40
shalemaybe i should start with something simpler.... like moving icons around on the desktop08:41
helpmelol08:41
bubblenutHi, is there a way I can install firefox and thunderbird without having to install all the gnome stuff?08:41
shaleapt-get install mozilla-firefox ?08:41
shalebubblenut, are you familiar with apt-cache search <searchterm> ?08:42
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bjvbubblenut: i just use the firefox i downloaded from their site, came with a self installing wizard and everything.08:42
bjvgetfirefox.com or whatever.08:42
bubblenutI'm doing things through kynaptic at the moment, I can find firefox fine but when I select it to install it says it needs loads of other packages (a bunch of which seem to be gnome packages).08:44
bubblenutThe final download comes in at a whopping 75.3M!08:44
chavobubblenut, firefox is built with gtk, so it needs that stuff08:44
shaleoh, i'm not familiar with kynaptic08:44
bubblenutOh, it's GTK stuff, OK, thanks08:46
chavowell might be some gnoe stuff also08:46
chavognome that is08:46
bubblenutI don't get why gnome stuff would need to be installed for a KDE install08:47
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chavobubblenut, firefox is not a kde app08:47
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bubblenutNo, but neither is it a Gnome app. I'm just surprised that there would be Gnome dependencies for it08:48
bubblenutAlso, what does it mean when it says 107M of extra disk space will be used, 26.3M will be downloaded? Where's the extra 80 odd Meg comming from?08:49
chavoit is downloading compressed archives which will be expanded08:50
Schiffbchavo: x-windows thing got me further now .. but : checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found.08:50
Schiffbapt-get install qt doesn't work08:51
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chavoSchiffb, libqt3-mt-dev08:51
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Schiffbok, what's my kde prefix? tells me /urs but that's wrong apparently08:52
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chavoSchiffb, should be /usr -> kde-config --prefix08:53
NeedHelpHi, i need help. I installed kubuntu, i used adept for a wile, than a friend of mine sayed me to allow the "full duplex" i did it and the sistem crashed,Now every time i install a program by adept, i install it, than i reboot my sistem and a windows appears: it says me "the manager of the services kde is not in execution". If i disinstall the program (EVERY PROGRAM!) it returns normal. What can i do to fix It?08:53
NeedHelp( i have disabled the full duplex)08:54
Schiffbah.. maybe I don't have any headers there? is that possible chavo?08:54
chavoSchiffb, yes you'll need kde development stuff also08:55
chavowhat are you compiling08:55
Schiffbkile08:55
raphinkschiffb /usr08:55
chavoyou need at least kdelibs-dev08:55
raphinkSchiffb: use apt-get build-dep kile08:55
raphinkto build the dependencies before compiling08:55
Schiffbwhy isn't al this junk installed already though? :)08:56
raphinkwhy do you need to build it btw Schiffb ?08:56
chavoSchiffb, because kubuntu is a package based distro08:56
raphinkcan't you install it simply?08:56
Schiffbcouldn't find it in apt-get08:56
raphinkdo you have universe activated Schiffb ?08:56
Schiffbmaybe not .. I'll go check08:57
raphinkwhat do you mean by full duplex NeedHelp ?08:57
SchiffbI came from Ubuntu couple of hours ago .. it all went straight in there08:57
raphinkSchiffb: how did you install kubuntu?08:57
raphinkapt-get install kubuntu-desktop?08:57
SchiffbI downloaded Kubuntu from their homepage .. fresh install08:58
Schiffbuniverse was commented out ...08:58
raphinkoh ok08:58
raphinkI thought you had installed kubuntu from ubuntu08:58
NeedHelpraphink: full duplex is the option in adio configuration08:58
raphinkwell uncomment universe (and multiverse too while you're there)08:58
raphinkthen apt-get update08:58
raphinkand apt-get install kile08:59
Schiffbwell I guess I had fun trying to get around it all .. not :)08:59
raphinkif you want kile in another language than english, you also need08:59
raphinkapt-get install kile-i18n08:59
Schiffbyeah, think I'll get it now :) thanks folks08:59
Schiffbah, yes08:59
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raphinkNeedHelp: so activating full duplex on your audio card would have screwed up your kde?09:00
raphinkand you had to uninstall ... what packages?09:00
NeedHelpraphink: I THINK YES!09:03
raphinkNeedHelp: that was a question...09:03
raphink_what_ did you have to uninstall to make it work?09:04
raphinkand how?09:04
Schiffbso is Krita any good? or I might as well install gimp?09:04
aftertafopen system settings>audio>sound system and change it in there.....09:05
aftertafwhat isthe pb with full dupex audio?09:05
raphinkSchiffb: gimp09:05
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el-stupidohello09:18
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egonwhi all, I have a boot problem: when I start in 'normal' mode, my kubuntu splash hangs at 'Loading modules'... but when running the 'recovery' mode it boots without problem... anyone with comments or suggestions on how to debug this problem?09:21
aftertafegonw:  if you leave it for say, 10 mins, do you get past loading mods?09:22
egonwnot sure how long I tried...09:22
egonwrecovery mode is not loading modules?09:23
egonwif so, can I force 'Loading modules' in that mode to see where it fails?09:23
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robincool updates..09:24
aftertafi dont know....... recovery mode normally shows a lot of info and hangs where it has a pb, but with info as to why. try on #ubuntu.... more ppl there09:24
egonwwell... the recovery mode does *not* hang... :(09:25
egonwso that's not given away any information on the problem09:25
egonwgiven->giving09:26
egonwok, thanx09:26
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robinhmm09:38
robinit now show the usbdriver correctly,  but still two windows appear. and a message "Could not mount device., The reported error was: mount: can'f find /dev/sdh1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"09:38
robinbut it shows the content, so there is progress.09:39
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robinwell a reboot helps.. it now works.09:43
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andrzejsomebody are from poland?09:52
Tm_Tpolski perkele09:52
raphinkhmmm #kubuntu-pl ? ;)09:53
raphinkseems not ;)09:53
andrzejok txh09:54
raphinkdlaczego andrzej ? nie mowis po angliski ?09:54
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andrzejon this #kubuntu-pl canal I am alone:/09:57
raphink:(09:58
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andrzej<raphink> Where are you from?10:00
raphinkfrance10:00
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andrzejFrance and linux is associated with  me Mandriva10:01
raphinksure10:02
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da_bon_bonhi all10:04
da_bon_bonhow do i stop the popup that comes when i insert a cd, in kde 3.5 b2 ?10:04
andrzej<raphink> Can you speak Polish?10:05
raphinkjust a bit andrzej 10:05
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andrzejwhy when my kubuntu starting display me : "mounting local filesystem"  - failed??10:09
_manverujust a quick question, someone knows how to get postmaster executed on startup?10:10
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_manverushould i add it as a service, or is there some better way10:11
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andrzejok j must go bye10:15
francescoW: GPG error: http://it.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: Unknown error executing gpgv10:16
francescoW: GPG error: http://it.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv10:16
francescoW:  consigliabile eseguire apt-get update per correggere questi problemi10:16
francescothis morning if I sudo apt-get update I obtain sorry10:16
francescowhat pasted upon10:16
francescois it normal?10:16
francescosorry for the "flood"10:16
gerardocb!gpgerr10:21
ubotuIf you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.10:21
francescocan anybody tell me how can I display metabar? I did sudo apt-get install metabar and now I don't know how to make it appear...10:23
_manveruubotu: got the same problem, but wouldn't a rm -rf be better?10:23
ubotu_manveru: I don't know10:23
_manveruubotu: you don't know anything10:23
ubotuNO SPEAKE ENLISH!, _manveru10:23
gerardocb_manveru: ubotu is a bot10:26
_manverugerardocb: i know...10:27
gerardocbubotu: he knows...10:27
ubotugerardocb: Do they come in packets of five?10:27
_manverugerardocb: i wouldn't be that rude to a human being :)10:27
gerardocbubotu: yes, they do10:27
ubotuNot a clue, gerardocb10:27
_manveruubotu: do you know something about postgresql10:28
ubotu_manveru: Do they come in packets of five?10:28
_manveruubotu: i fear they don't10:28
ubotu_manveru: What?10:28
raphinkubotu: tell me about your life10:28
raphinkhehe10:28
_manverunow you gonna get all his logs :)10:29
raphinkno10:29
raphinkubotu doesn't know what 'your life' is10:29
ubotuNo idea, raphink10:29
raphinksee ? ;)10:29
_manveruhuh10:29
raphinklol10:29
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_manveruubotu: :your_life =  Server.all.channels[:log] 10:30
ubotuNO SPEAKE ENLISH!, _manveru10:30
raphinkdoesnet seem to work10:31
_manveru!postgres10:31
ubotu_manveru: Syntax error in line 110:31
_manveruubotu: yeah, sounds familiar10:31
ubotuI don't know, _manveru10:31
_manveruhowever, is there a common way of installing new services in ubuntu?10:32
gerardocbsure, _manveru10:33
gerardocbJust take /etc/init.d/skeleton as example10:33
_manveruah, thx10:34
gerardocbyou knew this, right ubotu?10:34
gerardocbuh...10:34
gerardocbubotu, you knew this, right?10:34
ubotugerardocb: Are you smoking crack?10:34
_manveru!skeleton10:34
ubotuI don't know, _manveru10:34
gerardocbhahaha10:34
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_manveruwell, there must be some init.d-file for debian already10:35
_manverui mean... it's postgresql...10:35
mirakhello10:35
gerardocbhello, mirak10:35
mirakwhat is the packet kubuntu-live for ?10:35
mirakand kubuntu-express10:35
_manveruit's for the super-highfidelity-extra-kubuntu-live-experience10:36
mirakubuntu-express10:36
mirak_manveru: what ?10:36
mirak:)10:36
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_manveruwell, got no idea10:36
_manverui'm on kubuntu since about 10 minutes10:36
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_manveruuh, it's been 30 already...10:36
_manverubut adept should tell you what they are for10:37
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bubblenutHi, I'm using the KDE Control center to configure my network connection but it isn't saving my default gateway.10:37
_manveruhmm, adept doesn't know what it's for10:37
bubblenutI set everything up and then apply it, it takes ages and then says it's all done. I try to ping google and the host is unknown, I check route and there's no default gateway10:38
bubblenutAnyone had this problem before / can think of a sollution that doesn't require me to set the default gw manually every time I connect?10:39
_manverububblenut: you could use ifconfig to configure it...10:40
_manverububblenut: but i'm sure there is some kubuntu-config-way...10:40
_manverububblenut: try 'sudo netpref'10:41
bubblenutifconfig doesn't set the default gateway, that's done by route (as I mentioned above) but I don't want to have to run that every time I try to connect to the internet10:42
_manverui have configured my default gateway in ifconfig some years before... i guess it still does that10:42
_manverubut you are propably right, haven't used it for quite some time now...10:43
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_manveruhowever, netpref seems to be the ubuntu (or at least kubuntu) tool of choice to configure the network10:44
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da_bon_bonis it possible for usplash to have different modes ? like verbose, silent ?10:45
morrowor higher resolution? :)10:46
da_bon_bonwhy ?10:47
da_bon_bonyou can use vga=72910:47
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asranielhi, i have seen one time that you can launch a GUI app over the network with the fish kio. does anyone know the syntax?10:52
_manverusure10:53
_manverufish://192.168.0.110:53
_manverusaved me some minutes today :)10:53
asraniel_manveru: yes, but is there a possibity to launch a application like kate over fish?10:53
asranieli have seen somebody doing this one time, but i dont know the syntax10:53
da_bon_bonwhats fish kio ?10:53
asranielor could it be another kio?10:54
_manveruhmm10:54
_manveruyou mean a remote kate or what?10:54
asranielyes10:54
_manverui have only opened files via fish with kate... since fish is only a ssh-client in my eyes10:54
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_manverui guess to start kate remotely you would have to do a krdc to another computer10:55
mike_mcginstalling ivtv on 5.10 10:56
asranielok, then i search myself. but was anybody able to make a samba file share with kubuntu? i cant acess it. and webmin doesent seem to work either, so im somewhat stuck10:56
gerardocbasraniel, not exactly with fish10:56
gerardocbyou can do ssh -X remote_server10:57
asranielgerardocb: ok, i try that10:57
gerardocbthis will forward all of the X connections from the remote to the local10:57
gerardocbAnd the best, over a very secure channel :-D10:57
gerardocbYou can make this the default in /etc/ssh/ssh_config10:58
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asranielgeradocb: this is also ssh, i think i have realy seen it with fish, some months ago under a mandrake installation10:59
asranielgerardocb: and could you give me more explanations for your command? if i execute it i'm only connected to a shell, not to a x server11:00
_manverusweet, ubuntu is on the best way to unite the strenghts of suse and debian...11:00
gerardocbIn fact, if u are running a gui, you are running the X server11:00
gerardocbRemote machine doesn't need to be running an X server11:01
gerardocb"a" X server :-D11:01
gerardocb"an"?11:01
gerardocbDuh11:01
gerardocbMy english is so ugly...11:01
gerardocbYou only have to do this: ssh -X remote_server11:02
gerardocbThis will set the DISPLAY environment variable to localhost:10.011:02
gerardocbThis is a point to your local machine through the ssh tunnel11:03
rotmandoes anyone know if the OOo2RC3 is available in some repository?11:03
gerardocbAs said, remote_server doesn't need to be running X11:03
gerardocbI mean: this is a pointER to your local machine through the ssh tunnel11:04
bubblenutHow do I find out if ntfs is supported and if it isn't how do I add that support?11:04
gerardocbmodprobe -l|grep ntfs11:05
gerardocbIf you see something like ntfs.ko, it IS supported11:05
bubblenutOK, it's supported but when I to add the following line to my /etc/fstab it fails11:07
bubblenut /dev/sda2       /mnt/windows    ntfs    ro, default     0       011:08
gerardocbtype: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o ro11:08
gerardocbShow me the output11:08
asranielgerardocb: i cant realy get it to work. my plan:  have a tv card on my desktop pc, and i would like to watch tv from my laptop. i want to launch kdetv on my desktop pc but show it on my laptop. everytime i try it with ssh -X, it tells me that it cant find the X server11:11
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gerardocbasraniel, I think it won't work, because v4l (video 4 linux)11:12
gerardocbasraniel, before doing the ssh, try xhost +localhost11:12
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goldmemberanybody knows where mlnet puts downloaded and temp files by default :)?11:14
asranielgerardocb: always the same. i connect to the server, type my password, then im in a shell, type the name of a application (kate), and then it tells me that it cant find the xserver11:14
gerardocb1. Do u have some iptables policies?11:16
gerardocb2. When you are on the remote server, type "echo $DISPLAY" and show me the output11:16
gerardocbgoldmember, I don't11:16
bubblenutgerardocb: It mounted, thanks but there is another slight problem. I mounted it with sudo but I can't su to root, it's not accepting my root password :/11:17
asranielgerardocb: there is no output, just found a tutorial where it tells me i have to change something in the sshd_confif11:17
gerardocbroot doesn't have a valid password11:17
gerardocbYou must do everything with sudo11:17
gerardocbor...11:17
gerardocb"sudo bash -login"11:17
gerardocbMay be11:18
gerardocbasraniel, may be11:18
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gerardocbasraniel: take a look to the X11Forwarding on /etc/ssh/sshd_config11:18
gerardocbIt must be enabled11:19
gerardocbasraniel: on the remote server, of course...11:19
asranielgerardocb: just did, but its already on true11:19
bubblenutI did sudo passwd root and reset the root password, is that a bad idea on Kubuntu?11:19
nikkiaasraniel: check that you have tcp enabled for Xorg11:19
gerardocbasraniel, "yes" or "true" ?11:19
asranielgerardocb: yes11:19
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gerardocbbublenut: bad idea on every distro11:20
nikkiaits possible to turn off non-local display support in X with Xorg, and then you end up not being able to connect to anything but the unix: protocol that is used by display 0.011:20
gerardocbYou don't really need direct access to the root account11:20
gerardocbnikkia, true, but...11:20
gerardocbasraniel: how are u doing the ssh?11:20
gerardocbssh -x, or ssh -X ?11:21
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asranielgerardocb: from a console i type ssh -X hostname11:21
gerardocbok11:21
gerardocbthat's ok11:21
asranielgerardocb: then im logged on a shell. echo $DISPLAY has NO output, that is the problem i think11:22
nikkiasadly, it means nothing11:22
gerardocbasraniel: sure... it means the display is not being redirect through the tunnel11:23
nikkiai can't get tcp X11 enabled on one of my machines, and ssh -X'ing to that box results in not setting display too, ssh validates that it can connect to X before it sets the variable, so it doesn't tell you if the ssh or the X connection is failing11:23
gerardocbbut it should be set by ssh by itself11:23
gerardocbWell... actually there is no tcp connection between two machines using the ssh X tunnel11:24
gerardocbAll of the connections are through the unix socket11:24
bubblenutAnyone know of a repo I can install eclipse from?11:24
goldmemberi think when i used the release candidate of kubuntu, i was able to play a sound in kde via arts and hear some other non-arts application play sounds too, now i installed the final breezy from scratch and it isnt working anymore, how can i enable it?11:24
gerardocbgoldmember, are you sure you were able to do that?11:25
nikkiagerardocb: i don't think so11:25
nikkiagerardocb: and in fact, i can prove you're wrong:11:25
nikkiatcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:35853         127.0.0.1:6010          ESTABLISHED18363/xclock11:25
nikkiathat's a ssh -X'ed xclock11:25
goldmemberi think so, yes11:25
asranielnikkia: how did you do that? what are im doing wrong?11:27
nikkiagerardocb: ssh -X works exactly the same as -R, but with a little more smarts (to avoid display number (and hence tcp socket) clashes11:27
nikkiaasraniel: ssh -X, nothing more that i can remember11:28
gerardocbnikkia, show me the tcp connection on your local machine for that11:28
asranielnikkia: and then just launch the application with the command for it?11:28
nikkiagerardocb: at the local end, it probably uses unix, but the remapping at the remote end is definitely tcp11:28
gerardocbOf course11:28
gerardocbBut the local X server doesn't need to be tcp enabled for that11:29
nikkiaits the remote server that is most likely asraniel's problem, as i don't think there is really *anything* ssh has to do special locally11:29
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gerardocbthat's true, nikkia11:29
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asranielah11:32
asranielnikkia,gerardocb: the other way around it works11:32
gerardocbasraniel, ??11:32
asranielnikkia,gerardocb: from the desktop computer i can open kate over ssh -X on the laptop11:32
gerardocbOk11:33
asranielnikkia,gerardocb: but the other way around it doesent work11:33
gerardocbdo this "ssh -v -X remote"11:33
gerardocbdo this "ssh -vv -X remote"11:33
gerardocbafter the auth stuff, it must show something  like:11:33
gerardocbdebug2: x11_get_proto: /usr/bin/xauth  list :0.0 . 2>/dev/null11:33
gerardocbdebug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.11:33
nikkiaasraniel: does the laptop have IPv6 enabled, i believe that to be my problem - i believe X is listening on an IPv6 interface and thus can't connect with 127.0.0.1 when i do ssh -X11:33
asranielnikkia: i have disabled ipv6 for bot, but only for kde, with the /etc/enviroment config file11:34
asranieli would like to add that ipv6 is bad... if you want to have fast internet you HAVE to disable it first, explain this to a newbie...11:34
nikkiaasraniel: *shrug* i get decent network speeds and have it enabled11:35
gerardocbasraniel, did you do that? (ssh -vv...)11:35
nikkiait does complicate some things, because of the way that 'listen on all interfaces' works in libc11:36
asranielnikkia: for me it takes 10 seconds to open a connection with ipv6 enabled, disabling ipv6 solves the problem. perhaps its my routers fault, dont know11:36
asranielgerardocb: yes, not with -vv, only with -v11:36
gerardocband?11:36
asranielgerardocb: yes, not with -vv, only with -11:36
asranielgerardocb: there was no error11:36
gerardocbwhat about -vv ?11:37
asranieldebug2: x11_get_proto: /usr/bin/xauth  list :0 . 2>/dev/null11:37
asranieldebug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.11:37
asranieldebug2: channel 0: request x11-req confirm 011:37
gerardocbonce you are on the remote server, type "xauth"11:37
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asranielgerardocb: there is one difference between the machines11:39
gerardocbwhat?11:39
asranielgerardocb: the server that doesent work is kubuntu RC, but with ALL updates. the laptop is kubuntu final with ALL updates11:39
gerardocbso, you have the same version...11:40
gerardocbDid you do a dist-upgrade on the RC?11:40
asranielgerardocb: i simply used the adept update manager11:40
gerardocboh11:41
gerardocbtype xauth on your desktop pc11:41
asranieland then? i dont know this app11:41
gerardocbno error?11:41
gerardocbu should get an "xauth>" prompt11:42
asranielyes, thats what i get11:42
gerardocbumm11:42
gerardocbCtrl-D11:42
gerardocbI can't help you more... sorry...11:42
sikor_sxewhich package do i have to install to have the kde headers installed?11:43
gerardocbasraniel, type xauth on your laptop 11:43
gerardocbsikor_sxe: I think it is kde-devel11:44
asranielgerardocb: same thing, no error11:44
gerardocb:'(11:44
gerardocbSorry... can't help you any more...11:45
gerardocbCya...11:47
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sikor_sxegerardocb: when i select this package adept says it'll break11:50
mornfallsikor_sxe: kdelibs-dev could do11:51
sikor_sxemornfall: i don't have that package in my repo11:52
sikor_sxei have installed kdelibs4c211:52
mornfallkdelibs4-dev maybe11:52
mornfallhrm11:52
mornfallkdelibs*-dev ;)11:52
mornfallkdelibs-dev11:53
mornfallit should be it11:53
sikor_sxewell i can't even select kdelibs4 in adept11:53
mornfallgnah11:53
mornfallkdelibs4-dev11:54
sikor_sxeit says it'll "BREAK (install)"11:54
sikor_sxei don't know what this strange kdelibs4c2 package is11:56
sikor_sxebut i can't just deselect it and choose kdelibs4 instead11:56
sikor_sxewhen i do all kde apps will be removed11:56
_manveruanybody here has kxdocker running?11:57
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nikkiasikor_sxe: the 'c2' suffix would indicate its built with a different C++ ABI to the rest of the distro, in this case, probably gcc 4.0 rather than 3.x12:02
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sikor_sxenikki_a: alright, what package should i have installed instead on a stock kubuntu breezy install?12:03
nikkiasikor_sxe: no idea, tbh12:03
nikkiasikor_sxe: i haven't upgraded my kubuntu machine from hoary yet :)12:03
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sikor_sxedamn12:08
sikor_sxethis is frustrating12:08
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sikor_sxewhy this c2 stuff?12:12
sikor_sxethere are a bunch of packages using this gcc4, but none has a header package12:13
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JukarHi, i need to copy some files thath i have stored in my slave disk where i keep windows, what is the command?12:16
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HobbseeJukar: cp from/file/path to/file/path12:18
Jukarehm12:19
Jukari don't see my slave disk12:19
Jukarcause is a windows disk12:19
Hobbseemount it first?12:19
Hobbsee!mount12:19
uboturumour has it, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives12:19
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el-stupidowhere can I learn about setting up a Caching Server?12:20
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Jukar!windowsdrives12:23
ubotuhmm... windowsdrives is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions12:23
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Jukarok i've to reboot12:25
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asranieli cant mount windows shares with smb4k, i get this error: smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)12:26
asranieli have to run smb4k with sudo smb4k12:27
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CaiN_SAok ne12:29
CaiN_SAwhere the hell do i add sessions for kdm12:29
CaiN_SAsay i want to run quake 3 strait from there12:30
CaiN_SAit used to be in the control settings12:30
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asranielis there a way to stream video4linux over the network to another computer?12:31
CaiN_SAyes asraniel 12:31
CaiN_SAuse videolan server12:31
CaiN_SAand then use video lan client on the other pc12:31
CaiN_SA:)12:31
CaiN_SAnow some1 help me plz ?12:31
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aftertafCaiN_SA:  asraniel : apparently its better to use vlc client for both server and client parts....12:47
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Bielekehi guys12:55
Bielekei installed the kubunty package in ubuntu, but my screen looks damned ugly in kde12:56
Bielekewhat are the default fonts ?12:56
Tm_T?12:56
Bielekemy fonts for the menu for example are for somebody that needs FAT glasses12:57
Tm_Theh12:57
Tm_Tyou mean the fonts are quite big?12:57
Bielekeyeah12:57
Tm_TBieleke: then change them smaller :p12:57
nikkiathe default KDE fonts are always a tad large12:58
Tm_Tfrom system settings it is12:58
nikkiathe title bar font defaults to 12pt, iirc, i normally knock it down to 8 or 9pt12:58
asraniel_is it planned to release the final version of OO.o 2.0 in breezy?12:58
aftertafasraniel_:  when it comes out yeah.12:58
Tm_Tnikkia: I use 8pt fonts everywhere12:59
Tm_Tnikkia: that's why krita is somewhat less nice to use12:59
asraniel_aftertaf: read the news sites, it IS out12:59
aftertaflol. then they'll package t for ubuntu shortly i imagine12:59
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nikkiaTm_T: i thought it was less nice to use because it copies the UI from a lousy product :P01:00
nikkiaTm_T: PSP is waaaay down at the bottom of the list of apps i'd choose to do image manipulation with :)01:00
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treefrogHi real noob question here.. What compiler should I install to use "make install" I'm using breezy Kubuntu01:02
aftertaftreefrog:  you dont use one, it does it itself. install build-essential01:03
aftertafsudo apt-get install  build-essential01:03
treefrogThanks aftertaf01:03
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aftertaf:)01:04
treefrogbeing able to ask simple Qs like that here is making my Kubuntu life so much fun.. :-))01:05
aftertaf:)01:06
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aftertafhang around, youll be answering others soon enough01:06
aftertaf:)01:06
treefrog:)01:06
treefrogoh we are all smiles today arnt we lol01:06
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helpmehuh?01:07
rysiekhello guys01:07
rysiekany idea how can I make Ark use unace to handle the *.ace archives?01:07
aftertafyeah we are ...  hehe01:08
aftertafman ark... does it mention other formats?01:08
rysiekhmmm01:08
rysiekchecking :)01:08
rysieknope01:08
aftertafgrr01:08
rysiek"see man 7 undocummented"01:08
rysiekI don't really theink it'll be ther, though ;)01:09
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nikkiasadly, ark doesn't seem to be architected in a way that would make it easy to add either01:10
rysiekdarn01:10
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rysieknothing in the KDE Help too, sadly01:11
nikkiaeach format it supports is fairly hard-coded into ark, there is a seperate set of source files for each format, nothing like a simple list of extension->program mappings01:11
rysiek:/01:12
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nikkiayou could *probably* modify it based on the unrar support, but it wouldn't be a small task01:12
_ubuntuHello :)01:12
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rysiekhi01:12
_ubuntuFirst time KDE01:12
aftertafhi and congrats :)01:12
rysiekok, we'll try the other way 'round:01:12
rysiektrying to unace e archive.ace01:12
rysiekbut I'm getting:01:12
rysiekError: Could not create directory:01:13
rysiek \..2CDs)/Placebo - Covers01:13
rysiekError: Could not create destination file: \..- I Feel You.mp301:13
rysiek Disk might be write-protected01:13
rysiekany ideas? :)01:13
nikkiarysiek: iirc, its because unace is a bit braindead and doesn't like the spaces that most winace users compress files/dirs with :/01:13
Tm_Ttoo much warez, clean your HD01:14
nikkiathere's a way around it, but i can't remember it01:14
aftertaflol01:14
_ubuntu:P01:14
rysieknikkia: d'oh :)01:14
Tm_T:(01:14
aftertafman unace01:14
nikkiaaftertaf: i don't think it has a man page01:14
rysiekaftertaf: no way man :)01:14
aftertaflooool thatsux01:15
rysiekit's been dlded from winace.com01:15
rysiekjust the binary01:15
Tm_Trysiek: what about buying those dc:s ?01:15
rysiekyep01:15
nikkiarysiek: *nod*01:15
theplateau01:15
Tm_Trysiek: cds even :p01:15
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nikkiaTm_T: that means supporting an organisation even more corrupt and evil than MS :P01:15
rysiekTm_T: ?01:15
sikor_sxewhere are the dev packages for kdelibs4c2 packages in kubuntu breezy?01:15
rysiekTm_T: what cd's? :)01:15
Tm_Tnikkia: well, crime doesn't make other crimes better01:16
rysiekgosh, no more ACE file on my box!01:16
nikkiahomer, does 2 wrongs make a right?    yes lisa, two wrongs do make a right!   :)01:16
rysiek:] 01:16
rysiekbrb01:17
Tm_Tnikkia: :(01:17
nikkiaTm_T: besides, downloading mp3s *may* not be illegal wherever rysiek is :)01:17
rysiekTm_T: what mp3s? :P01:18
Tm_Tnikkia: yup, but maybe he should not download compressed files in compressed package ;)01:18
K|The breezy kdm splash screen, should it look as that: http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/1024/kubuntusplash4jk.jpg ? That's not a bug that nothing is in that grey rectangle?01:18
rysiekTm_T: these are mpc's :P01:18
Tm_Trysiek: or whatever01:18
rysiek:)01:18
aftertafunace -h ?01:19
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Tm_Trysiek: I never said they are mp3s01:19
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nikkiarysiek: "[12:13:08]  <rysiek> Error: Could not create destination file: \..- I Feel You.mp3"  <- looks like an mp3 to me :)01:19
Tm_Tyup01:19
Tm_Tanyway, I don't like "lending" stuff01:20
Tm_T->01:20
aftertafunace - extract, test and view .ace archives01:20
aftertafunp - unpack (almost) everything with one command01:20
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aftertafrysiek:  try those packages^^^^01:21
rysiekaftertaf: ok, thx01:21
brizziohello01:21
rysiektesting ;)01:21
aftertafhi brizzio :)01:21
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rysieknikkia: errr... no, you're seeing things :P01:21
MaliciAAaaftertaf salut01:21
aftertaflol.fr :)01:22
MaliciAAaj'aimerai aller sur kubuntu franais mais je sais point comment faire01:22
rysiekaftertaf: I have tried the unace package already (actually the first thing I have done) but that's unace ver. 1.201:22
rysiekand I need 2.2 ;)01:22
rysiektrying unp01:23
MaliciAAaou alors il faut m'apprendre l'anglais en  sec01:23
rysiekaftertar: well... unp uses unace as a backend for ACE archives :/01:24
rysiekI suppose I have to boot Windoze for this one :/01:24
aftertafMaliciAAa:  je pense que #kubuntu-fr est un peu vide. mais y a #ubuntu-fr01:25
aftertafMaliciAAa:  tapes /j #ubuntu-fr01:25
rysiekcu guys and thx nikkia, Tm_T and aftertaf for the help :)01:25
MaliciAAavi merci lol01:25
MaliciAAaje me suis sentie une peu seule c vrai01:25
aftertaf:/01:25
aftertafj'imagine ;)01:26
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brizziovoila01:36
brizziore01:36
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MaliciAAaj'arrive pas01:37
MaliciAAaaftertaf je suis encore perdue ici01:37
MaliciAAaje veux revenir sur le site franais01:38
MaliciAAaje suis bloque01:39
apokryphosMaliciAAa: #kubuntu-fr01:39
aftertaf /j #ubuntu-fr01:40
aftertafMaliciAAa:  ^^^^ ;)01:40
MaliciAAaalors la j'ai ouvert une tonne de fenetre01:40
MaliciAAalol01:40
aftertafdont panique MaliciAAa :)01:41
MaliciAAaje panique pas mais si je sort encore un fois je vais encore avoir du mal a revenir pourtant j'ai fais ce qu'il fallait non?01:42
apokryphosMaliciAAa: English only in here please :). Join #ubuntu-fr or #kubuntu-fr01:42
MaliciAAaah le join01:42
MaliciAAaok01:42
MaliciAAaben voui question de vacabulaire01:43
aftertafapokryphos:  shes very new, and is learning how to......01:45
aftertafapokryphos:  someone setup her pc, removing windows without her knowing ...01:45
apokryphostell her the command to type then :P01:45
aftertafi did ;)01:51
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asraniel_hmmm,.... i have been blocked on my webmin :-D where is the list of the blocked ips? i have to remove 127.0.0.102:14
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Smeagol07yoyo02:42
Smeagol07exit02:42
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Hobbseemmm...quiet in here tonight02:44
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mmport81hi all, just updated to breezy and now my real player has stopped working - any ideas?02:48
Hobbseeany errors with the real player stopping working?02:49
mmport81errors - none - just play but no sounds output02:50
Hobbseeis your sound working at all?02:50
mmport81yep02:50
mmport81amarok working well02:50
mmport81which is strange...02:50
Hobbseewhat about in system settings, test sound?02:50
Hobbseeamarok could be using a different engine02:50
mmport81will check02:51
mmport81test sound in system "sound system" setting is good02:51
Hobbseeok, so it's just real player02:51
mmport81yeh ...02:52
mmport81:/02:52
Hobbseei'm presuming that everything is turned up in alsamixer, and the inputs are muted02:52
nikkiammport81: arts is blocking access to the sound card, most likely02:52
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mmport81i turned off arts - in system sound setting and had the same problem02:53
mmport81Hobbsee: should those setting in alsamixer be of use if amarok etc is ok?02:53
Hobbseemmport81: possibly...doubt it02:54
Hobbseedoesnt look like it, it should all be going thru the same channels02:54
mmport81maybe something to do with oss emulation in the kernel??02:55
Hobbseecheck which engine real player is running, if you can...02:55
mmport81 Hobbsee: yeh not sure, tried to figure that out but had no luck02:56
Hobbseeunless anyone else can tell you, you'll probably need to try ubuntuforums.org and then google02:56
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mmport81ok02:58
Hobbseesorry i cant help you more than that!02:58
mmport81no problem - suspected it was a tricky problem, just hoped someone else ran into it b4hand02:59
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Hobbseethey probably have03:00
Hobbseei havent03:00
Hobbsee:P03:00
Hobbseechannel is rather quiet03:00
mmport81'tis03:00
mmport81are most people here americans or something?03:00
mmport81- not that they're quiet, but that they might be asleep at the mo :)03:01
nikkiaHobbsee: realplayer only uses OSS03:01
apokryphosOpen Source is generally more popular in Europe03:01
apokryphoshola nikki_a03:01
mmport81think so?03:01
mmport81at least kde is, i suspect03:01
nikkiaafternoon apokryphos03:01
apokryphosor nikkia, even :P03:01
Hobbseenikkia: right03:01
Hobbseedont think it's terribly popular here in aussie, but i guess it depends in which circles you're in03:02
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mmport81nikkia: maybe oss emulation isn't in the ubuntu kernel then?03:02
slow-motionbye bbl03:02
apokryphosXubuntu is becoming a more serious project -- very good to see. There's some decent ideas floating about in the project03:03
mmport81xubuntu??03:03
apokryphos!xubuntu03:03
ubotuhmm... xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu03:03
mmport81oh right 03:03
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hussamhas anybody managed to install skype on breezy? I haven't used skype before and I would like to try it.03:09
tencohussam: phps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563 can help you03:12
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hussamtenco: skype won't install on breezy because it requires libqt3c102-mt which isn't available for breezy03:14
tencohussam: whats the difference to libqt3-mt?03:15
hussamprobably the same , but skype looks for  libqt3c102-mt  and not libqt3-mt03:16
apokryphos!skype03:17
ubotuwell, skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free, or breezy debs: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl03:17
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hussamapokryphos: is  "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1135D466" necessary? It times out for me03:29
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hussamapokryphos: is  there any other way to import gpg key other than using "gpg --keyserver"?03:33
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jjesseanyone having any problems w/ systems settings and file sharing w/ administrator mode?03:40
kkathmanjjesse: Hi, what kind of problems are you experiencing?03:41
jjessekkathman: after i put in my password it thinks for a bit and then brings me right back to  "Changes in this section requires root access"03:42
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hussamkkathman: hey :)03:43
jjessekkathman: i have a red box around the options, but the options are still greyed out03:44
hussamanybody knows how to use httptunnel?03:44
kkathmanhowdy hussam!!03:44
aftertafits a kdesu bug i think.03:45
aftertafclose it, open adept or sth else that needs sudo, then reopen the admin panel thingy.03:45
hussamkkathman: I got a couple of questions for you. 03:46
hussamkkathman: I need to do "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1135D466" but it times out. is there any other way to import gpg keys?03:46
kkathmanjjesse: yes I experience the same thing...it must be a bug03:46
jjessekkathman: ok, bugzilla for that right?03:46
kkathmanhussam: not that I know of03:47
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kkathmanjjesse: right bugzilla.ubuntu.com03:47
hussamkkathman: ok another question. where might I find some instructions on how to use httptunnel?03:48
kkathmanhussam: what are you trying to get a gpg for?03:48
kkathmanhussam: try this:  http://www.nocrew.org/software/httptunnel.html03:49
hussamkkathman: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/03:49
kkathmanhussam: and that procedure listed on that page didnt work?03:51
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hussamkkathman: gpg --keyserver timeouts because of closed port ( I'm behind proxy )03:52
kkathmanahhhh03:53
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kkathmanhussam: can you have the ports opened temporarily just to get the keys?03:57
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hussamkkathman: I'm not the one who controls the proxy server. it's my internet service provider03:59
kkathmanhussam: Interesting. I have never heard of an internet provider doing that.03:59
hussamkkathman: it's a hotspot.04:00
kkathmanohhh ok gotcha04:00
jjessekkathman: the problem is bug #8681  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=868104:02
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kkathmanjjesse: excellent that they already are working on it04:04
jjessekkathman: yeah its a large bug list04:04
kkathmanjjesse: Unusually so for this release I think. I dont remember Hoary being this buggy when it was released.04:05
kkathmanespecially in obvious things that probably should have been tested prior to release04:06
kkathmanbut for the most part, I havent experienced any shutdowns or critical problems04:06
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Armagguedeshello04:08
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azertyuuuhelloo04:08
azertyuuuis i reboot, my X don't starts, it starts with terminal, can anyone help ?04:09
sveriazertyuuu: hm, what did you do before?04:14
azertyuuui was working with Adept, and restarted X (ctrl+alt+back) and now it doesn't work04:15
sveriwhat does the logfile say (/var/log/Xorg.0.log)04:16
sveridoes it give any errors?04:16
azertyuuui can't enter X , do i have to look with pico -w ?04:16
sveriyou can do cat /var/log/...04:17
sverior vi /var/log/...04:17
azertyuuuok, thanx, i'll see04:18
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Armagguedeshm04:18
Armagguedesive set up  a partition (30GB) in fat32 for sharing04:19
Armagguedesbut i cant write to it04:19
Armagguedesi've tried chmod -R 777 /share04:19
Armagguedes(yes i am being a very permissive guy) but it doesnt work04:19
seezer_Armagguedes: mount it with -o umask=000 or something04:20
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Armagguedescould you give me the whole command pls04:20
seezermount -o umask=000 -t vfat32 /your/device /your/mountpoint04:21
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hussamwhat kde application do I use to record sound using a microphone?04:22
Armagguedesseezer i can see the partition04:22
Armagguedesi think it is already mounted04:23
seezerthen umount first04:23
Armagguedesi see it in /04:24
Armagguedeswhat goes into /your/device?04:24
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azertyuuuhey all, i had a look to /var/log/xorg.0.log and i haven't found an error, still can't enter X 04:27
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sveriazertyuuu: hm, but there have to be messages about what happened or what didn't happen04:29
sveridid you try sudo killall kdm and then sudo kdm ?04:30
azertyuuuxorg is not executable...04:30
azertyuuuwhat does it mean04:30
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sverihm, that you cant execute xorg04:31
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azertyuuuand it says somethinf about autenticities04:32
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azertyuuuwhen typing styartx04:32
azertyuuustartx04:32
sveriwhat exactly04:33
bubblenutWhat should I use to manage my network settings if the KDE Control Center network settings section isn't working?04:33
azertyuuuerrorno 7...04:33
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sveribubblenut: /etc/network/interfaces04:34
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slow-motionre04:35
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bubblenutsveri: Where can I find out an explination of the syntax for that file?04:38
Armagguedesopenoffice2 is here04:39
hussamdoes k3b make audio CDs from ogg or just mp3?04:39
=== Armagguedes OPENOFFICE.ORG2 IS HERE
sveribubblenut: thats a good question, all i know is man interfaces04:39
chavoArmagguedes, just got done downloading it04:39
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bubblenutsveri: Is there not any gui interface for doing this?04:42
_sveribubblenut: hm, i don't know, i also experienced problems with the kcontrol networks part, so i did it that way04:42
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aaronjsok....  I have enabled breezy-backports main restricted in adept, but it stilll cannot find Freenx.   ANy ideas?04:44
seezerArmagguedes: /dev/hda1 for example04:44
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gsuvegre04:45
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azertyuuuhey all i get error no 111 and no 304:45
gsuvegTm_T: i compiled kmplayer deb 04:46
Tm_Tgsuveg: working ok?04:46
gsuvegyes04:46
Tm_Tgood :)04:47
_sveriazertyuuu: did you try to start it as root or as user?04:47
gsuvegwith good dependecies04:47
azertyuuuroot04:47
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gsuvegfeedback sent to maintaner04:47
_sveriazertyuuu: the error no 111 only says that it cant connect to the x server, so there must be something else wrong before04:47
Tm_Tgsuveg: ah, very good :)04:47
alakhiaHi, I need help with my upgrade to Breezy please04:48
gsuvegbut the dvdplay is very bad with it04:48
gsuvegalakhia: have you read all related docs? 04:48
gsuvegwhat is your problem ?04:48
gsuvegTm_T: but totem dont play :(04:49
alakhiagsuveg: I updated apt's source's, did the apt-get cmd, right around firefox, the thing crashed04:49
alakhiagsuveg: now, i don't have kde running and have to use the console04:49
gsuvegand ?04:50
alakhiagsuveg: i think the reason firefox update fried was because I was using the beta04:50
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alakhiagsuveg: anyway, i'm not familiar with apt-get04:50
gsuvegno error message ??04:50
alakhiagsuveg: not sure how to continue with installing kde04:50
alakhiagsuveg: did apt-get install kde04:50
gsuvegno dist-upgrade ?04:50
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_sveriazertyuuu: sry, i got blown off: maybe you can try to reconfigure with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but plz save your old xorg.conf in /etc/X1104:51
aaronjsis anyone have difficulties connecting to teh backport repository?04:51
gsuvegaaronjs: have you read issues from backport ?04:51
alakhiagsuveg: when I do dist-upgrade, I get 0 upgraded, 0 installled, 04:52
alakhiagsuveg:  nothing happens04:52
aaronjsgsuveg: and where might that be?  not in the topic....  afaik04:52
gsuvegwhat is in your apt config ?04:52
gsuvegaaronjs: ubuntuforums.org > search 04:52
aaronjsFailed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 130.239.18.137 80]    is the output I get04:53
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alakhiagsuveg: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted04:53
gsuvegapt-get update04:53
gsuvegapt-get dist-upgrade04:53
gsuvegwhat say ?04:53
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alakhiagsuveg: the problem is not that kde is not found04:54
aaronjsgsuveg: thanks for the forum link, but that leaves me to ponder the usefulness of the channel.04:54
gsuvegaaronjs: pardon?04:54
alakhiagsuveg: the problem is that apt-get install kde gives me: unmet dependencies04:54
alakhiagsuveg: is apt-get install kde even the right thing to do ?04:55
martinjh99Anyone know when Openoffice.org2 final is going to be out for k/Ubuntu????? ;)04:55
Kamping_Kaisermartinjh99: its in breezy04:55
gsuvegalakhia:  kubuntu-desktop ?04:55
chavofinal just came out a couple of hours ago04:55
martinjh99The one in Breezy is rc2 i think....  Final is out today I think...04:55
chavomartinjh99, I installed it here.04:56
chavoit's out04:56
martinjh99Just downloaded the final version for that other operating system... ;)04:56
alakhiagsuveg: get this message: ksysguard is not going to be installed, unmet dependencies, broek backapges04:56
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alakhiagsuveg: err, broken packages04:56
martinjh99Chavo> Are there proper deb packages?04:56
chavouhm qnx? BeOS?04:56
chavomartinjh99, no I used alien, but I'm crazy04:56
gsuvegalakhia: put your apt-config to pastebin04:57
_sverioh, i left the server ;-)04:57
alakhiagsuveg: huh? pastebin?04:57
martinjh99Chavo> :)  I think I'll wait until the guys at Ubuntu make proper packages as last time I tried it it didn't quite work out...04:57
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gsuvegalakhia: ?topic04:57
alakhiagsuveg: i'm sorry, I don't follow you04:58
kkathmanmorning chavo :)04:58
chavomartin, like I said ... I'm crazy. I don't recommend doing it, but it works so far04:58
chavohello kkathman :)04:58
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gsuvegalakhia: read topic ;) kubuntu.pastebin.com04:58
kkathmanI might suggest to people that they give Koffice a try also04:58
martinjh99:) I'll wait... Better that way...04:58
DaSkreechIs Oo 2 in the repos?04:58
chavokoffice is very nice04:58
DaSkreechOOo 204:58
kkathmanchavo: Yes Im very pleased with it :)04:59
gsuvegchavo: yes. but it like core dump04:59
martinjh99Skreech the beta/rc is yes...04:59
raphinksure it has been for a long time DaSkreech 04:59
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DaSkreechThe Official is out04:59
endo602?04:59
chavogsuveg, I build my own KDE and koffice here and 1.4.2 has been stable for me04:59
chavokrita is really starting to shape up04:59
endo602what unix command line does this support?05:00
DaSkreechFinal release05:00
DaSkreechOnly one download choice on the front page ;005:00
gsuvegchavo: i dont build kde. 05:00
DaSkreech;)05:00
kkathmanchavo: agree. Krita is most impressive05:00
raphinkendo602: sorry?05:00
gsuvegi dont like krita05:00
alakhiagsuveg: so, you want me to run apt-config and paste the output to this website, right?05:00
endo602debian?05:00
raphinkendo602: this place is not a console ...05:00
kkathmangsuveg: well its leaps better than gimp, IMHO...but none of them are Photoshop :)05:00
gsuvegalakhia: nono05:00
endo602i know05:00
chavogsuveg, just stating that the more recent versions have improved a lot05:00
endo602i was wondering what shell system this distro used05:01
gsuvegalakhia: etc/apt/sources.list05:01
raphinkbash by default endo602 05:01
raphinklike most linux distros05:01
endo602i am thinking of switching from xandros05:01
endo602is that smart?05:01
raphinksure it's smart05:01
chavoactually I still prefer the Gimp, I guess because I've used it for so long05:01
gsuvegkkathman: now not better as gimp. maybe in future05:01
raphinkdepends what you want to do with it ;)05:01
endo602hehe05:01
endo602well i dont like xandros05:01
endo602is to macish05:01
kkathmangimp sux05:01
gsuveggimp > *05:02
raphinkwhat do you mean it's too macish?05:02
endo602i wanted something that i can have more control over and also able to customize the desktop more05:02
endo602confined05:02
endo602xandros network is a pain05:02
chavokkathman, for what I do the Gimp is perfect. I don't do a lot of graphic work though05:02
raphinkhmmm ok05:02
endo602i have a hard time installing packages05:02
raphinkendo602: xandros uses apt doesn't it?05:02
endo602raph can i pm?05:02
raphinksure endo602 05:03
DaSkreechKrita?05:03
raphinkendo602: about it being smart to switch or not : http://distrowatch.com/05:03
kkathmanchavo: I understand. I struggled with Gimp, then did the GimpShop thing, but I DO alot of graphic work, and theres nothing better than Photoshop05:03
alakhiagsuveg: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/39986805:03
raphinkendo602: there you see that Xandros is #16 and Ubuntu is #105:04
DaSkreechkkathman: For what you do05:04
DaSkreechIf so then keep using Photoshop05:04
raphinkso you can make your opinion on what most people use ;)05:04
gsuvegalakhia: apt-get update run ok ?05:04
kkathmanDaSkreech: yes, for what I do sure. I mean its the standard in the industry. I used PSP for a while, but when I hit Photoshop..its the nirvana for graphic designers05:05
alakhiagsuveg: yup05:05
gsuvegalakhia: apt-get upgrade ?05:05
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endo602raph check pm05:05
kkathmanOthers, if you just need to crop or remove red eye, etc...just about anything will work :)05:06
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alakhiagsuveg: i get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove05:06
raphinkhaven't got any pm endo602 05:06
endo602damn sorry05:06
endo602yeah05:06
endo602i have to register05:06
endo602never the worry05:06
raphinkyep05:06
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endo602i just wanted to know if i can remove xandros and instal kubuntu simply?05:07
raphinkendo602: what partitions do you have?05:07
endo602because xandros offered a dual boot with windows05:07
endo602windows and linux05:07
gsuvegalakhia: and you havent kde ?05:07
endo602on one drive05:07
raphinkonly one partition for linux?05:07
endo602yeah05:07
kkathmanDaSkreech: I do realize that Photoshop is beyond the reach of alot of people too at $700 lol. But its my business so..we get the best in that regard I suppose :)05:07
raphinkendo602: you don't have a separate /home?05:07
endo602oh i do05:08
raphinkthat was my question endo602 05:08
alakhiagsuveg: how do I check if I do? 05:08
endo602its on seperate partion05:08
endo602sorry05:08
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endo602im new to this man05:08
alakhiagsuveg: I manually installed kdelibs and konversation05:08
raphinkso you have at least one / , one /home and one partition for windows05:08
raphinkright?05:08
DaSkreechkkathman: Of course ;) I have no real issue with Photoshop other than no one really *uses* it05:08
gsuvegwhat is manualy ?05:08
endo602yes05:08
alakhiagsuveg: am using twm ...05:08
raphinkendo602: do you want to keep your /home ? or do you not mind?05:08
alakhiagsuveg: apt-get install konversation05:08
gsuvegtwm is the best :)05:08
alakhiagsuveg: it would be ok if I could resize windows right now! :-)05:09
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endo602i registered05:09
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endo602pm05:09
gsuvegalakhia: install kubuntu-desktop 05:09
alakhiagsuveg: my wife will hate twm, i'm sure05:10
kkathmanDaSkreech: noone uses it..Ha ha..well, keep that myth alive I suppose.  Im sure no one in the open source world does, but afraid that most professionals use it.05:10
gsuvegalakhia: i was use long time05:10
DaSkreechkkathman: I mean that people use a subset of what it can do05:10
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alakhiagsuveg: ksysguard: Depends: ksysguardd (= 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu5) but 4:3.4.91-0ubuntu0hoary1 is to be installed05:11
DaSkreechkkathman: the range of things it can do is a little broad I don't know anyone who you can go through and show them things in Photoshop and they aren't surprised at at least one of them05:11
kkathmanDaSkreech: I'd agree with that, but I think thats true of Word Processors, Spreadsheets, and most all robust apps05:11
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DaSkreechWell I don't many professional spreadsheeters :)05:12
alakhiagsuveg: can't install kubuntu desktop because of above error05:12
nikkiaDaSkreech: a program's feature list  isn't a checklist that you must utilise each of on every project :P05:12
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kkathmannikkia: very true, well said.05:13
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gsuvegalakhia: remove all kde related stuff and install kubuntu-desktop05:13
gsuvegqt, libs05:14
alakhiagsuveg: how do I get a listing of everything that is installed? Something like rpm -qa ?05:14
DaSkreechnikkia: I'm not saying it is but many people who are more intimate with photoshop than people should be with software are surprised at stuff it can do05:14
DaSkreechKinda like the Linux kernel :)05:14
nikkiaand i would argue that there are very few PS features that 'noone ever uses', brushes maybe, but i've seen pros do weird things with those, where afterwards you wouldn't even consider it might have been a custom brush05:14
gsuvegdpkg -l | more05:15
gsuvegdpkg -l | grep kde05:15
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alakhiagsuveg: so right now, i have a mix and match of 3.4.3 and 3.4.91 ... this sucks05:16
gsuvegkill em all05:18
kkathmanDaSkreech: I dont disagree with that at all. Photoshop is an immensely powerful app. Like many things, there is a "core" that almost everyone uses that extends beyond the boundaries of most graphics apps. Outside that, there are things that I use, that no other app has. I hardly have scratched the surface in 5 years of use.05:19
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EarthenI need to readd the cd repositorty to my list because i mistakenly deleted it could someone tell me how to add it or past the line to add in my .sorces list05:21
Kamping_Kaiserrun 'sudo apt-cdrom' in konsole05:22
bugaalakhia: dpkg -l|grep ' kde'|grep 3.4.91|awk '{ print $2"=4:3.4.3-\*" }'|xargs apt-get install -y -s05:22
alakhiagsuveg: uninstalled ksysguard just now05:22
lz1gjdhi guys, could you help me with my problem : i just installed the new kubuntu 5.10 and amd having problems with my screen going corrupt after several minutes of use ? i have gf6600 and using the preinstalled 7667 driver 05:22
alakhiagsuveg: now, when I do install kubuntu-desktop, I get 175 new packages05:23
EarthenKamping_Kaiser: ok05:23
kkathmanlz1gjd: what kind of video card/software?05:23
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gsuvegalakhia: good05:23
bugaremove -s if the output is good05:23
DaSkreechkkathman: can you script Photoshop?05:23
DaSkreechSo that you can use it as an engine?05:23
kkathmanDaSkreech: script?05:24
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alakhiagsuveg: will start this now and wait! :-)05:24
gsuveggood to head05:24
gsuvegs/head/hear05:24
kkathmanDaSkreech: can you give me an example of what you'd be trying to do?05:24
DaSkreechkkathman: Like find this drop in tone and then blur it this many pixels in all directions  or down a gradient05:24
alakhiagsuveg:  thanks a lot for all your help! :-)05:24
lz1gjdoops it did it again and im writing blindly, will reboot 05:25
DaSkreechThen apply that to 800 pictures05:25
kkathmanDaSkreech: hmm, I've done the former lots of times, but not the latter.05:25
bugaalakhia: kubuntu-desktop contains unversioned dependencies, so it won't downgrade your kde 3.5beta1 packages05:25
gsuvegalakhia: yw05:26
kkathmanDaSkreech: answer is...I dont know about that, I am still on version 7.1 also, and I hear that PS8 with Elements does a tremendous amount of "bulk" capabilities, but I havent used it05:26
EarthenKamping_Kaiser: thank you very much!05:26
alakhiagsuveg: oh, and ksysguard from 3.5 was uncompatible with 3.4.3 ...05:26
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alakhiagsuveg: I think I will upgrade to beta2 instead ...05:27
gsuvegalakhia: sry. im a poor user. not developer05:28
kkathmanDaSkreech: I dont know why you'd want that particular capability tho... the "tone" you pick could appear in many places in your photo or graphic, sometimes you'd want to change it other times not...I know you can bulk change color A with Color B.05:28
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spiralhi05:28
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alakhiagsuveg: well, you've been very helpful nonetheless05:28
kkathmanDaSkreech: I just did a quick scan of Photoshop CS (8) and yes it has the bulk capability you speak of.05:29
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DaSkreechCool :-)05:30
alakhiagsuveg: ok, off to work. See you around! :)05:30
seezerkkathman: do you use PS on linux?05:31
gsuvegalakhia: i works too05:33
kkathmanseezer: I tried using both wine and that other emulator, and it really didnt give me the productivity or resolution I needed05:33
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seezerthat's what i wanted to ask next. is it usable ;)05:34
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seezerdid you try this crossover thingy?05:34
kkathmanso I have a very powerful winbox that I do video, audio and graphics on, but develop things on linux05:34
kkathmanseezer: yes05:34
kkathmanseezer: photoshop works under both.  But its definitely not the solution for me.05:35
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kkathmanseezer: in general, linux doesnt have the "industrial strength" multimedia things. And I wouldnt expect it to.  Many software houses create and distribute to the most popular hardware/OS and these kinds of apps are typically beyond alot of open source developers.05:37
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seezerkkathman: good that i don't _need_ those tools :) nice to have them at home, and there's nothing better than OSS :)05:38
kkathmanI sure hope that more companies liks Macromedia, Adobe,  Pinnacle etc will see their way to put together some of these intiatives in the future, but its doubtful because of support issues.05:38
Kamping_Kaiserhow do you disconnect a session using screen?05:39
seezeri can understand you - but haven't heard of someone using PS as a "professional" and tried it on linux05:39
Kamping_Kaiserim to tired to understand man pages right now :(05:39
seezerthat's why i asked :)05:39
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raphinkwhat do you mean Kamping_Kaiser ?05:39
raphinkyou mean shut down the comp from kde?05:39
kkathmanseezer: yes, Im sure you will never hear of someone that makes a living in graphic design use linux exclusively.05:40
Kamping_Kaiserno, i mean the program 'screen', which lets you disconnect from a remote computer, but leaving everying running as it was. its a terminal thing (for ssh)05:40
kkathmanagain Im hopeful but not expecting it :)05:40
raphinkkkathman: pixar is on linux now05:40
raphinkusing maya, gimp, etc.05:40
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seezerha :)05:40
kkathmanraphink: yeah thats a good thing too!  They have their own developers which is great for them..but not for us guys out here :(05:40
raphink;)05:41
kkathmanwish they'd share :)05:41
nikkiakkathman: most of pixar's programs wouldn't be useful to the rest of the world anyway, from what i've seen05:42
nikkiaand a lot of it ties heavily into renderman stuff05:42
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raphinkk05:43
kkathmannikkia: yeah you are right about that 05:43
kkathmanbe back in a bit...eye doctor appt..05:43
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nikkiatwo nikkis in one channel, what are the odds? :)05:44
elliptichey05:44
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DaSkreechPeter Jackson is making the halo Movie05:45
DaSkreechFor microsoft05:45
DaSkreechsolely on Linux Servers :-)05:45
ellipticI am wanting to add some kubuntu packages from text mode...  any help?05:45
nikkiaelliptic: apt-get or aptitude05:45
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nikkiaelliptic: personally i use aptitude for everything05:45
ellipticthanks05:45
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apokryphoswell, not always, but often05:46
=== Pupeno finds aptitude extremely unfriendly. I end up using apt-get.
nikkiaPupeno: its one of those 'once you're used to it, everything else seems strange' things05:48
Pupenonikkia: like vim.05:48
nikkiaPupeno: or emacs :)05:49
nikkiahow odd, it seems MS *have* broken the win32 headers in VC++ 200505:49
Pupenonikkia: I would say emacs is a little more friendly than vim, I mean, anybody can run emacs and write. You can't say the same with vim (disclaimer: I am a vimer myself).05:49
nikkiaPupeno: true to an extent, except GNU emacs tends to be strange if you don't know the keys to do things like exit :)05:50
nikkiaxemacs does at least display the common shortcut keys at startup05:50
Pupeno:)05:50
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elliptichmmm...  why is it telling me that kubuntu 5.10 has no emacs?05:51
elliptic"No candidate version found for emacs"05:51
nikkiaelliptic: its probably not called 'emacs' thats why, it'll be emacs-21.3 or something05:52
nikkia!find emacs05:52
nikkia!info emacs2105:52
ubotuemacs21: (The GNU Emacs editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.4a-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1946 kB, Installed size: 5908 kB05:52
nikkiatry that :)05:52
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ellipticthanks ubotu05:52
ellipticthat worked05:53
seezergreets from eliza ;)05:53
nikkia(its probably impossible to have a 'emacs' metapackage too, since i would bet that emacs21 and xemacsXX both provide a fake package called 'emacs' that all the elc packages depend on)05:53
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_marsHow can i upgrade QT?05:54
ellipticthanks for your help, everyone!05:54
Pupeno_mars: short answer: yes... but why ?05:55
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Pupeno_mars: just do apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; and you'll have the lattest version of Qt which is considered sane and stable by the Kubuntu devs, anything else is asking for trouble.05:57
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Bulwinklehowdy all06:02
BulwinkleHas anyone had any problems with 5.10 users not getting mailboxes?06:03
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ToXedVirushei people, im using nvidias drivers and i got a nvidia card, but the accelration doesnt work at all, and the fan of the vga starts to work very load ... 06:13
ToXedVirusmaybie there are some fixes for this thingy bingy ?06:14
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el-stupidowhats the command to config nvidia drivers?06:18
samxanybody an idea why I can't unlock my X sessions?06:18
ToXedVirusnvidia-glx-config06:18
el-stupidoToXedVirus  thankyou06:19
samxin /var/log/auth.log I find Oct 20 18:14:43 localhost unix_chkpwd[8695] : check pass; user unknown06:20
samxbut I can log in normally06:21
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el-stupidoToXedVirus  it wont let me configure it just says changes incorporated (enable glx)06:21
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azertyuuuhey all, i need the command to reconfigure my screen/monitor/resolution   but i can't remember 06:22
_sveriazertyuuu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg06:23
azertyuuuah thanx06:23
_sveriazertyuuu: i wrote you some hours ago, but unfortunately you went before i could post06:23
ToXedVirusel-stupido: nvidia-glx-config enable 06:23
ToXedVirus?06:23
azertyuuulol, in that time, i reinstalled kubuntu TWICE :)06:23
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samxany idea would be appreciated...06:24
el-stupidoToXedVirus  that just enables glx .. i want to make some more settings06:24
azertyuuuand i have to mention that i certainly WON't use crtl+alt+backspace anymore06:24
azertyuuuthat's the root of all evil06:24
ToXedVirusel-stupido: nano -w /etc/xorg.conf ? nvidia-settings ?06:24
ToXedVirusel-stupido: apt-get install nvidia-settings06:24
el-stupidoToXedVirus  ok06:25
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azertyuuumy question, how can i leave X and restart again, without using ctrl+alt+backspace06:28
ToXedVirusi hope that a update works 06:28
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kkathmanazertyuuu: why is it that you want to leave X?06:29
azertyuuui made changes to xorg.conf06:29
kkathmanahh... ok06:30
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kkathmanwhy not reboot? get a clean startup?06:30
asranielis there somewhere a hardware compatibility list for ubuntu?06:30
azertyuuuthere are other tricks06:30
kkathmanyou can go to the konsole and stop and start X I think...depending on how you set things up06:30
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samxasraniel: theoretically everything that works with linux should work with Ubuntu... you can look at the SuSE hardware list for example06:32
kkathmanbut ctrl-alt-backspace is the right way I think06:32
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seezerrestart kdm by /etc/init.d/kdm restart is also a clean thing06:34
kkathmanyep06:34
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DrSpinquick question -- I want to mount /dev/hdb1 chown=joeuser chgrp=justagroup -- all files added to this folder should automagically be chown and chgrp accordingly... anyone know how to do this?06:49
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kkathmanDrSpin: you should use the -r option06:55
DrSpinkkathman: -r when I mv/cp or -r on the mount?06:55
kkathmanwhen you do your chown06:56
kkathmanor chmod06:56
kkathmanetc06:56
kkathmanmount wont make a diff I dont think06:56
DrSpinI don't want to have to chown or chmod -- I want it to be automagic06:56
DrSpinand I know it can be done -- just haven't been able to figure out how06:56
kkathmanohhh you mean on everything on that drive?06:56
DrSpinexactly06:56
DrSpin:)06:56
kkathmancant you do a -r from the root?06:57
DrSpin??06:57
kinfoi don't understand.06:57
kkathmankinda drastic06:57
DrSpinoh yeah -- but again -- I want it to be automagic06:57
kkathmanDrSpin: when you install, everything is set to root:root I think except your user files06:58
kkathmanso anything else has to be set I believe..I dont know of anything off hand that changes ownership or group except chown06:58
mars_What schould i write in apt get to install java for breezy?06:58
DrSpinfor example I copy fila.ogg of which joeuser is owner/group when I copy it to /mount/point I want it to be chown joeuser and chgrp group106:58
kkathmanDrSpin: assuming that fila.ogg was different before?06:59
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kkathman!tell mars about java07:00
kkathmanoops07:00
kkathman!tell mars_ about java07:00
kkathmancheck your PM07:00
mars_Ye07:00
mars_Where can i find list of what bot can !rell me07:01
DrSpinkkathman: there is no assumption -- fila.ogg was different before -- should I set a cron scipt that changes the permissions?? can I do a cron script that runs on each new file created in a particular filesystem?07:01
kkathmanDrSpin: well ya I guess you could...but what it sounds like is that you want any file copied to a location to inherit the ownership and group of that location07:02
kkathmanis that right?07:02
DrSpinexactly07:02
DrSpinthe cron idea was one I had for a dirty hack solution07:02
kkathmanhmmm I really dont know if thats possible...ask in #ubuntu and see if they can help you there...someone there will know some esoteric command string to do it I imagine :)07:03
DrSpinLOL07:03
kkathmanIm not the best on the command line :)07:03
DrSpinthanks :)07:03
DrSpinI'm sure there's an esoteric fstab option for it07:03
kkathmanmars_: http://www.ubuntu.cc.com.au/07:04
kkathmanDrSpin: if you find out...will you let me know07:04
DrSpinyeah07:04
kkathmanthanks07:04
DrSpinnp07:04
_manverui certainly didn't say today that kubuntu absolutly rocks, right? :)07:08
DrSpincp -a will force inheritance -- now how to give it to FSTAB07:08
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kkathman_manveru: I dont know if you said that or not...did you mean to?07:10
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kkathmanDrSpin: right I knew that -a would but that automagically requirement kinda threw me07:10
kkathmanbut that seems to help you07:10
DrSpinit's a step closer to what I'm needing :)07:11
_manverukkathman: maybe i'm only in awe of KDE, but ubuntu really add the last missing piece in the puzzle07:11
_manveruadd+s07:11
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kkathman_manveru: well glad you like it :)07:11
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ToXedViruspoeple i dont know what to do, I installed the nvidia drivers, the fan is working very loud, but there is not grafix acceleration07:12
ToXedVirusgeforce 7800gtx ? maybie someone had already these problems ?07:12
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_manverukkathman: i just spent 2 hours playing with kde... that hardly can be called productive07:12
kkathman_manveru: 2 hours?? well getting acquainted with all the options can take some time for sure07:13
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kkathmanhey there tvo :)07:14
_manverukkathman: the problem with that is... i'm using KDE since version 1.1 or something07:14
adrianochelp-me please ... where apt-get update, say ... alha ao baixar http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum incorreto07:14
_manveruand i'm still absolutly astonished :)07:14
kkathman_manveru: yah I hear KDE 3.5 will be even better, but its not quite ready yet07:14
tvohi kkathman  :)07:15
_manverukkathman: i know... haven't got any reason to try the beta2, but waiting for it anyway07:15
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DrSpinwhere in KDE can I setup my multimedia keys?07:15
_manverui never realized that Kontakt has become so powerful07:16
DrSpinswitching from Fluxbox and trying out KDE...07:16
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_manveruDrSpin: try the program 'xev'07:16
_manveruDrSpin: out of the console... and press your buttons07:17
DrSpindoesn't work for the multimedia keys -- already tried07:17
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adrianochelp-me please ... where apt-get update, say ... alha ao baixar http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum incorreto07:17
_manveruso i'm sorry for you... if x doesn't get them, your KDE certainly won't07:17
kkathmanDrSpin: do you mean the function keys for the apps or some specific things for say, the music player?07:18
_manveruthere might be a way via /proc/acpi/events tho...07:18
kkathmanEach KDE App has its own shortcut F keys that can be configured per application.07:18
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DrSpinI'm most concerned about making the volume and tracking buttons work07:19
after8adrianoc, it dont matter..... 07:19
kkathmanDrSpin: They should be on your player application07:19
_manverukkathman: if the keys are not mapped to X, they can't be used for shortcuts...07:20
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kkathman_manveru: Each K-application has its own shortcuts that can be individually mapped07:21
_manverukkathman: that's correct, but what if KDE doesn't know that the key is pressed?07:21
kkathman_manveru: im not following...I've never had a problem with any application's shortcuts07:22
_manverukkathman: you don't have one of those multimedia-keyboards, right?07:22
kkathmanyou go to Konqueror...go to "Configure Shortcuts" and type what you want07:22
kkathman_manveru: Oh ok...yah I see what you mean now...gotcha07:23
_manveru^^07:23
kkathmanI dont even enable sound on my box07:23
kkathmanno need for it07:23
_manverui got my laptop playing for me...07:23
_manveruand since i use amarok, i never used the buttons anyway07:24
kkathmanany audio or video apps that I use are on my Win box07:24
DrSpinkkathman: it doesn't recognize the multimedia controls07:24
DrSpinkkathman: why do you have windows07:24
after8lol07:24
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kkathmanDrSpin: because  Linux sux at multimedia applications for graphics, audio and video... which is my livelihood :)07:25
_manveruDrSpin: the problem with the buttons is common... there are some good solutions for it - just have to dig it out07:25
_manveruDrSpin: http://www.kde-forum.org/thread.php?threadid=1353407:26
kkathmanBut even still I have 3 Linux boxes and 1 Windows :)07:26
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kevmanOooh. OpenOffice 2 is out... 07:27
kkathmankevman: yep, but have you looked at K-office?07:27
_manveruKOffice got better? :)07:28
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kkathman_manveru: Havent looked at OO2 yet, but Im reasonably impressed with K-office :)07:28
_manverukkathman: my #1 reason for using OO was the crossplatform-approach, sharing documents became easy07:29
_manverui guess i don't have KOffice installed...07:29
kkathmanbut isnt OO2 distributed with the kubuntu-desktop in breezy...I have oo2 on my install07:30
seezer_manveru: since they use the open document format, it's not depending on OO any more07:30
kkathman_manveru: yes your reasoning is very valid07:30
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_manveruseezer: so does KOffice handle OO-files now?07:30
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_manverubtw, i got OO lying around, never started it...07:30
seezerthat's what you can read everywhere. didn't test it. :)07:31
_manveruand it is indeed OO207:31
kkathmanKoffice has some really nice components...including a Visio-lite kind of app07:31
seezerkkathman: better then 'dia'?07:31
kkathmanseezer: honestly dont know...never tried dia07:31
seezerdia is quite good, but got little problems which make you shout bad things..07:32
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kkathmanI also like the "control center" for K-Office...all apps from a single starter panel...very nice07:33
_manveruhmm, OO2 is almost the same as the first one...07:33
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_manverui mean, i haven't read the changelog... but there is nothing that got my attention07:33
asranielanyone knows the name of the X developement libraries?07:33
_manveruxserver-xorg-dev or something?07:34
_manverujust ask your adept and search for x and dev07:34
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asraniel_manveru: problem is, searching for 2 words doesent work07:35
asranielit searchs for "x dev" and not x +dev07:35
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_manveruuh...07:35
_manverux*dev ?07:36
buzsince i upgraded to kde 3.5b2 (from b1) amarok wont work anymore07:36
buzanyone else with that issue?07:36
_manverunothing07:36
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asraniel_manveru: like i said, searching for 2 words isnt supported.07:37
_manveruasraniel: that's odd... did install them some time ago on my debian-system07:37
_manveruasraniel: but somehow the name is different07:38
kkathmanbuz: there are many problems with 3.5b2...probably was released too soon07:38
asranieli installed libx11-dev, but i have a app that want more to compile: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!07:38
dipnlikhi all. I installed opera on my kubuntu and when i open it it says something about not finding the plugins folder and tells me to install motif. how do I fix this?07:39
_manveruasraniel: there is an option for 'Role: "sw:devel-lib"'07:39
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_manveruxlibs-static-dev maybe?07:41
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buzkkathman: the others listed i can live with07:42
buzbut no sound? that sucks07:42
buzwell maybe the alsa downgrade helps07:42
ToXedViruspeeeeooople, kubuntu 5.10 amd64, the nvidia driver doesnt work, does someone know WHY ?!07:42
_manveruToXedVirus: i know, i know! - you haven't got a graphics-card?07:43
_manveruToXedVirus: do you have some more info concerning your problem?07:44
ToXedVirusi gotta 7800gtx, when the X server starts, the fan starts to work very very load 07:44
ToXedVirusand no gfx acceleration 07:44
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_manveruToXedVirus: you tried the acceleration using what?07:45
ToXedVirusem only kde07:45
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ToXedVirustried to install tuxracer, but there are no packages on the servers07:46
_manveruToXedVirus: and KDE says, hey, i haven't got acceleration?07:46
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_manveruToXedVirus: i got tuxracer on my repo...07:47
_manveruToXedVirus: not sure it is in universe, but you might want to allow apps from universe too07:48
ToXedVirusso can you give me the entry ? 07:48
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_manveruToXedVirus: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ihQSoz46.html - just pick what you want07:49
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asraniel_manveru: great, got the right libds. was xlib :-)07:50
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Toxixhello07:51
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_manveruasraniel: great :)07:51
kkathmanHi Toxix07:52
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Toxixhow to mount ext3 partition??07:52
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kkathmanToxix: did you define one at installation?07:53
ToXedVirusmount /dev/hda1 /somedir07:53
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kkathmanright  :)07:53
Toxixthx07:53
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xvilawho07:55
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MasuraHello everyone.07:59
kkathmanhi Masura :)07:59
virus_manveru: are you using kubuntu for amd64 ?07:59
MasuraWhat's up?07:59
kkathmannada07:59
_manveruvirus: nope... should it be any different?08:00
Boronkno flash08:00
Boronkno working java in firefox08:00
kkathmanBoronk: install it08:00
Boronkdoes not work08:00
kkathmanyes it does08:00
kkathman!tell Boronk about java08:01
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Boronki installed blackdown08:01
kkathman!tell Boronk about flash08:01
Toxixhow to mount ext3 partition with full access??08:02
kkathmanI have both working on both Opera and Firefox08:02
virus_manveru: yes it should, coes im getting all the time these fu********* mesages like,08:02
virusW: Couldn't stat source package list http://at.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/at.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)08:02
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Boronkand most swf things do not work with gplflash08:02
_manveruvirus: the same on my side... there is another problem involved here08:03
Boronkand then there is on little libdvdcss2 problem08:03
kkathmanBoronk: dont know what to tell you...I get flash sites just fine08:03
mattovirus : I dont think backports is working yet dude.08:03
Boronkwith amd6408:03
Boronk??08:03
virusyes08:03
virusor no08:03
virusno 08:03
kkathmanwell you didnt mention amd64, but I dont think that should matter if you installed the correct breezy version on your machine08:04
Boronkso.. i386 was never a problem08:04
Boronkbut amd64 is08:04
_manveruW: Kann nicht auf die Liste http://at.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/at.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) der Quellpakete zugreifen. - stat (2 Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden)08:04
Boronkno libdvdcss2 , only a avil hack08:04
kkathmanI cant speak personally for amd6408:04
_manveru[sorry for the german - but it is the same error...] 08:04
virusdu armer _manveru  ^^ 08:04
_manverueither it's a problem with the repo, but the de-one doesn't work as well...08:05
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libbenlol, forgot the editors name08:05
libbenvi and whats the other one08:05
_manveruor it's something i just never saw... some extremly hidden option08:05
_manverulibben: emacs, nano08:05
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libbennano was the one08:06
libbenthxs08:06
libbentotally blanked on that08:06
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libbenwhat to type to reload .bashrc?08:07
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_manveruToXedVirus: sorry, but i can't PM you, i'm not registered08:07
_manveruToXedVirus: if you've got some IM, write me the address in the PM08:08
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_mars?08:11
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_marsIs it?08:12
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greghi all, i have kubuntu installed, and wanted to add gcompris08:14
gregwhich is in edubuntu08:14
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gregis there a different sources list that I can add so that I can just install the binary?08:14
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gregb/c it's not showing up as a package from the kubuntu lists08:15
lwellsIs there a good wireless access point sniffer on Linux??08:15
after8lwells apt-cache search wifi or sniffer08:16
after8g!info gcompris08:16
after8!info gcompris08:16
ubotugcompris: (Educational games for small children), section games, is optional. Version: 6.5.3-2+7.0.2ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 217 kB, Installed size: 856 kB08:16
after8greg, same repositories for k/ubuntu08:17
greghmm, i did a search with synaptic and it didn't show up08:17
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after8greg weir... try simple apt-get...08:18
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_manveru!info tuxracer08:19
ubotutuxracer: (dummy transition package), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.61-7 (breezy), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 44 kB08:19
_manveruah, so it's in universe...08:19
_manverubut why is it a dummy?08:19
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gregweird...i guess the packages database was not refreshed since the install08:20
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gregb/c i just reloaded from all sources and voila there is gcompris08:20
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gregthanks after808:22
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lwellsi loaded an application from Adept , but it does not show up on the menu08:31
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hussamlwells: what app?08:32
lwellsAirsnort08:32
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_marsIs it possible to downgrade KDE?08:32
kkathmandowngrade?08:32
kkathmanyou mean from like the beta2?08:33
mornfallpossible yes, easy no08:33
lwellstrying to find a good wifi sniff program 08:33
after8hi pete :)08:33
mornfallafter8: are you addressing me or someone else? :)08:34
after8mornfall, you ;)   08:34
mornfallafter8: hi there then ;-)08:34
mornfall*tired*08:34
lwellswant to be able to make a connection, if there is an open access point08:34
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kkathmananyone had any luck with a good newsgroup program?08:35
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el-stupidoif i want to move an ini file from windows onto linux .. will it work?08:35
after8mornfall, nice one on adept 1.0 though, works lovely :)08:36
_mars_OK is it safe to upgrade KDE to KDE 3.5 Beta 2 ?08:36
after8el-stupido, it will copy.08:36
el-stupidoits an ini file for the same game .. just the ini on windows is config'd08:36
after8el-stupido, should do then.....08:36
kkathman_mars_: dont upgrade to beta208:36
_mars_ok08:36
_mars_thanks08:36
mornfall_mars_: safe as in you won't contract an STD yes... otherwise, i don't think so =)08:36
el-stupidookay.. i tried that but the binds that I had set wont work08:36
after8how do you upgrade to beta 2? im on b1 now08:37
_mars_He he i have problems with installing deco and i thougt upgradeing will help :;;/08:37
after8er no im not actually, im on e1708:37
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xxenonI'm upgrading to Koalition...I hope it's safe :)08:37
mornfallafter8: hmm, e17, is that the real one or the mythological one? :)08:37
after8the not finished one.08:38
lwellsHow do i add a application to the KDE menu08:38
mornfallit's never finished08:38
mornfallit just crashes less at some points :)08:38
mornfall(about software in general)08:38
kkathmanxxenon: what's Koalition?08:41
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_mars_At all is it possible to downgrade to hoary :)08:42
_mars_I have a lot of problems with breezy and in fact i dont know why08:42
_mars_I hate having problems cause i dont know what to do then08:43
_mars_For example08:43
_mars_I was trying to compile crystal GL style08:43
xxenonkkathman - release name for 3.5 beta 208:43
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_mars_and i turned to make aftyer compile08:43
_mars_And there was a lot of qt problems :/08:44
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_mars_I am noob and i dont know how to get over it08:44
getaceres_mars_: It's difficult to do such a thing. Is it possible to downgrade a few packages, but it's nearly impossible to downgrade hundreds of packages08:44
_mars_I see08:44
puckmanDoes anyone have any problems with Kubuntu lacking sound after waking up from suspention ?08:44
kkathmanxxenon: ahh ok...you might want to be careful then...its VERY buggy08:44
_mars_My sound doesent work at all :)08:44
getaceres_mars_: what kind of errors do you get?08:45
_mars_wait i will compile it again08:45
xxenonkkathman - what sort of bugs ?08:45
xxenonkkathman - (I just suspended the upgrade actually...)08:46
_mars_What is the name of the site where i can paste log?08:46
jjessepastebin.com08:46
jjessewww.pastebin.com08:46
vickskubuntu.pastebin.com even08:47
_mars_http://pastebin.com/400141 here it is 08:49
_mars_./configure is ok08:49
puckman_mars what have you tried?08:49
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puckmanSound works fine, but when I hibernate the machine and wake it up again i get no sound08:50
puckmanamarok works, shows its playing, bars go up and down, no errors but no sound08:50
puckmana restart fixes it08:50
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raingrovepuckman try "sudo killall artsd"08:50
_mars:/08:51
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pointwoodanyone else running breezy/kde 3.5beta2 and have sound problems? sound doesn't work in mplayer and Kaffeine and amarok crashes when I try to play some music08:51
puckmanno joy raingrove08:51
pointwoodJuk works though08:51
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_marsI think i will write again to maker of this style08:54
raingrove:(08:54
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puckmanmaybe i could try a different engine08:55
_marsIs breezy stabile version?08:55
raingrovedoes anyone know how to make openoffice use KDE or GNOME's font anti-aliasing settings ?08:56
getaceres_mars: Yes, breezy is considered the stable Ubunt version08:56
_robinhello all, need a little help, i reinstalled my os becasue of all the issues with kde beta 2, i cant find the souce to add to my source list to get mplayer and w32codes, any one have it?08:56
after8!tell _robin about restricted08:57
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_marshmm08:57
_marsmaybe i need to update qt. How can i do it?08:57
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pointwoodcan I downgrade to plain breezy from kde3.5beta2?09:00
getaceres/tell _mars there's no newer version of QT apart from QT4, which is incompatible with QT3 and so, it cannot be installed with KDE09:00
_robin#after8 thanks09:00
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after8:)09:01
kkathmanDoes anyone know of another newsgroup reader/processor other than pan and knode?09:01
Boronkgnus09:01
Boronkxnews09:01
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kkathmanBoronk: those dont sound like KDE apps tho09:02
getacereskkathman: Have you looked at www.kde-apps.org?09:02
Boronksounds like very old x apps09:03
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Boronkperhaps emacs can run kde09:03
kkathmangetaceres: yah...well, another source gave me somethings like knews, krn and klibido09:04
Boronklibido sounds funny09:04
kkathmanBoronk: I think its a binary downloader...probably for porn09:04
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Boronkah, well09:05
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kkathmanah there are several in kynaptic09:06
kkathmanbut most are not kde :(09:06
kkathmanIm used to newsbin pro in windows...its VERY good09:07
Boronkthis is probably no problem09:07
Boronkgimp is not kde09:07
Boronkand OOo also09:07
kkathmanlol09:07
Boronkthey will work perfectly09:07
kkathmanoh no question...I just kinda would like a K-program if at all possible ..then I'll go from there09:08
after8kkathman, create an alias ;)09:08
kkathmanpan is a gnome newsreader I think..and so is pine09:08
Boronkpine is console...09:08
kkathmanan alias for what?09:08
kkathmanand why?09:09
Boronkone could call it kpan and make the gtk theme look like plastik09:09
after8yeah :)09:09
Boronkkimp 09:09
kkathmanBoronk: oh sure...thats not a prob09:09
kkathmanhaha09:09
kkathmanwell I dont like gimp anyway 09:09
Boronkany better imaging tools than gimp?09:09
kkathmanBoronk:  have you looked at Krita?09:10
Boronkno... 09:10
kkathmanBoronk: well Im a Photoshop user so Im spoiled :)09:10
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Boronkbut i dont think krita is as featurerich as gimp09:10
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kkathmanbut Krita is nice, but its still being enhanced...still its much easier and intuitive than gimp09:11
kkathmanno thats probably true09:11
kkathmangimp was thrown together so badly tho...not intuitive at all09:11
Boronk2.4 is ok09:12
Tm_Tkkathman: define intuitive?09:12
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kkathmanif you were learning it from scratch and had never ever used anything else..it would probably be ok for most uses tho09:12
BoronkTm_T: photoshop-a-like09:12
Tm_TBoronk: exactly09:12
Tm_TBoronk: and who say only that is how things should be done?09:12
kkathmanTm_T: Ive used a few graphics progs in my time...among them PSP and Photoshop..and both are intuitive09:13
kkathmanto me at least09:13
Boronkall the photoshop-fanboys-so09:13
kkathmanits all in what you learned to begin with I think09:13
Boronkwonder how you found to linux09:13
Tm_Tkkathman: well, thats only how you are used to do, if you are used only gimp-like programs and start now use photoshop, you propably would call it unintuitive09:13
Boronkwindows must be much more intuitiv09:13
Tm_TI'm happy with gimp, though found some lacks in it09:14
Tm_Tnever used to use Photoshop09:14
Tm_TPSP is ok09:14
kkathmanTm_T:  maybe, but I started with something other than photoshop, then moved to Paint Shop Pro, and then to Photoshop...so..I think I can at least speak from experience in saying that those have certain things in common...and gimp was very different than all of them09:14
Tm_Tkkathman: true09:15
Tm_Tkkathman: but I think people use couple words too easily these days: bloat and intuitive09:15
Tm_Twithout really thinkinw what they are saying09:15
kkathmansince it is my work and my livelihood, I really cant afford to go through a long learning curve to learn something fairly non-standard09:15
Boronkgimp has some basic features missing: circle and boxes09:16
Tm_Tkkathman: true09:16
Tm_TBoronk: no its not?09:16
Tm_TBoronk: but I never found point-to-point selection09:16
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Boronkhow can i draw a circle? easily?09:16
kkathmanTm_T: call it whatever you want..PS is very powerful, very standard in the industry, and you can just do anything in it09:16
kkathmanso I continue to use it :)09:16
kkathmanhehe09:17
Boronkkkathman: windows is the same... industry standard, more apps etc09:17
kkathmanBoronk: well, but there are certain apps that you can get in Linux that work as well or better right?09:17
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Tm_Tkkathman: true, if you have it and you find it easy to use, use it09:18
kkathmanThere isnt a Linux graphics editor that can touch Photoshop's capabilities...nor is there anything in Linux that will allow you to create Flash like Macromedia's program...etc...its an app thing09:18
kkathmanthere are just some things that open source programmers havent really tackled yet09:18
kkathmanfor the masses that is09:18
kkathmanI just use what's good for me :)09:19
kkathmanhehe09:19
Tm_Tyou should09:19
Tm_Tas long as you can afford09:19
Tm_Tto me, nogo09:19
kkathmanbut I'll admit my requirements are different than most and that gimp would surely work fine for most people :)09:19
raingrovei agree09:20
kkathmanTm_T:  ya its price prohibitive, but when its your business right...you get the best09:20
Tm_Tkkathman: true09:20
raingrovethat's one of the reasons other than games that makes me  still hold on to a windows partition09:20
kkathmanraingrove: yep me too...my winbox is mostly audio, video and graphics09:21
Boronkthe new power mac looks nice09:21
Tm_Tkkathman: but, atleast to me, OS apps are enough, I can do all I need to do: meaning all my desktop graphics09:22
ToXedViruscan i use 32bit programs on amd64 ?09:23
kkathmanTm_T: yep...and whatever meets your needs the best on your budget...thats great :)09:23
Tm_Tkkathman: yup, matter of choices09:23
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raingrovelinux has a significantly higher market share than OS X if i am not wrong09:25
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raingrovei wonder why Adobe, Macromedia, Corel, Discreet, Autodesk and other companies dont make apps available for linux09:26
raingrovewhen they do it for Mac OS X09:26
MenZa`Yeah :(09:27
after8raingrove, cos they suck and thers no corporation to pay off09:27
raingroveit's their loss i tell ya09:28
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after8they will all fall one day09:29
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puckmanbecause there is corp support behind osx09:30
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puckmanand there are nice alternatives to their apps on linux09:30
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puckmanI am happy with my koffice09:30
Eno_why might firefox be crashing on every java applet? i installed the latest sun java sdk using java-package09:30
puckmanlearning blender09:30
Eno_it generates a .log in my home directory too09:30
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puckmanand krita is looking good09:30
Eno_what should i do...?09:31
kkathmanwell Klibido kinda sux...it crashes09:32
kkathmanoh well09:32
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kkathmanguess knode is what Im stuck with, but its pretty rudimentary09:32
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raingrovedoes anyone know where KMenu stores its menu item data09:35
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satafterhanyone know the command to install nvidia driver09:39
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frank23!nvidia09:40
ubotuI guess nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia09:40
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_xpoulet'soir09:44
satafterhhow go i fix signatures were invalid09:45
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Tm_Tsatafterh: ignore09:46
Tm_Tsatafterh: nothing important, it's just warning09:46
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satafterhok09:47
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kkathmanso Tm_T can you recommend another newsgroup proggie than knode?09:57
Boronkpan is better in binary-leeching09:59
kkathmanBoronk:  I'll try that09:59
Tm_Tkkathman: newsgroup... never used em10:00
kkathmanhmm cant find pan in an apt-cache10:00
Tm_Tto me, news are akregator ;)10:00
kkathmanmaybe it doesnt exist anymore10:00
frank23kkathman: hmm?  pan is in main, it should be available10:01
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kkathmanfrank23:  I did an apt-cache search pan...and got tons of stuff, but no "pan" as an application10:02
kkathmanmaybe its called something else10:02
frank23!info pan10:03
ubotupan: (A Newsreader based on GTK2, which looks like Forte Agent), section news, is optional. Version: 0.14.2.91-2ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 451 kB, Installed size: 3608 kB10:03
Boronkn810:03
kkathmanok...great...someone do an apt-cache on it and find it10:04
frank23kkathman: just try apt-get install pan10:05
frank23apt-cache doesn't find it here either but synaptic does10:05
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kkathmanok 10:06
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ninuxbonjour a tous 10:16
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ninuxbye all10:18
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thibHi, i've got a problem with hotway (breezy up-to -dat), localhost is unreachable, maybeyou have the answer10:22
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hetzzim looking for something like speedfan for kubuntu... is it imposible to find?10:23
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zegnusquit10:24
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sozcialbeathello all :-)10:27
frank23hi10:27
sozcialbeathmmmm...10:28
sozcialbeathow about you?10:29
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aaronjsis there an easy way to get rid of the default power now?10:36
aaronjsit locks up this C3.10:36
sozcialbeatAnachie and Roch'n Roll !!!10:36
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aaronjsI uninstalled the powernow, but it looks like it is built in the kernel, or in the start up.10:37
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slow-motionn810:42
aaronjs...or should I be asking this question in unbuntu?10:42
kkathmanaaronjs: typically something like that would be best in #ubuntu, here we do mostly KDE questioning..but sometimes there are gurus that know these things too :)10:43
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mike__hey guys, has anyone here ever used "Austrumi" linux ?  10:48
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kkathmanmike__: Ive never heard of it actually10:50
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MarsHi I have Very Big problem10:53
MarsI compiled crystalGL style10:54
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kkathmanyes10:55
MarsAnd when i restarted x i noticed kde crash and there is no window deco. No buttons to close window. Notching. And my keyboard doesent work. I am on windows now. I have breezy10:55
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kkathmanyes there have been discussions about that in here the last two days. Several people have complained about the crystalGL10:55
MarsSo is there any solution?10:56
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MarsIs there anything I can do with it?10:57
MarsOr i have to delete Kubuntu?10:57
MarsPlease10:58
MarsIf you "overheard" these people what solution they had?10:59
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Mars_:(11:00
Mars_I cant find anything about it on google...11:01
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Mars_Extra11:02
kkathmanMars_: I believe that there were no solutions at this time, but perhaps they might return soon.11:02
kkathmanI personally dont know what the crystalGL is11:03
kkathmanso I cant offer any solution :)11:03
Mars_It means I am dead...11:03
Mars_I have to reinstall kubuntu...11:03
kkathmanyou can always get to a console and remove kubuntu-desktop and reinstall I suppose11:04
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Mars_No my keyboard doesent work11:04
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Mars_NIce11:07
Mars_author of this style wrote to me:11:07
Mars_No support to my GL deco, I warned every one. 11:07
Mars_And no support to problems that are not closely related to my deco. ;)11:07
Mars_Idiota11:08
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kkathmanyah11:10
kkathmangotta be kinda careful11:10
kkathmanalways good to check with others in here especially to find out if anyone has experience with what you are downloading11:10
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woddf2Haldo11:13
woddf2How do I remove OpenOffice.org without removing kubuntu-desktop?11:13
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kkathmanwoddf2: cant you just apt-get remove ?11:16
woddf2I used Adept.11:16
dell500anyone know how to get permissions to the current user, i copied some files that were root owned, now i want to change the owner, do i use chown ?/11:16
woddf2It threatened to remove kubuntu-desktop.11:16
kkathmanhmmm dont understand that11:17
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kkathmanbut maybe there are deep ties now...dont know11:17
gerardocbyes, dell50011:17
gerardocbbut using sudo11:17
woddf2When I tell it to keep kubuntu-desktop, it gives OpenOffice.org keep status.11:17
dell500yup11:18
dell500got it11:18
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woddf2Like this: sudo chown fred:fred foo.bar11:18
kkathmanwoddf2: well I dunno then11:18
dell500lol11:18
kkathmanwhy do you want to remove it?11:18
woddf2?11:18
dell500foo.bar11:18
woddf2I like KOffice better.11:18
kkathmanyah me too11:18
kkathmanhehe11:18
kkathmanactually kubuntu installed both oo1 and oo211:19
kkathmanguess they like it :)11:19
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woddf2KWord loaded faster, but I think that's because I'm on KDE.11:20
kkathmanI like KOffice alot...theyve really worked on it alot11:20
woddf2That's all I needed to know.11:23
woddf2Thanks11:23
woddf2Oodbyegay11:23
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_jaypeekplayer users anybody?11:31
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zerotimehi11:35
zerotimecan someine send me a propper sources.list? I just installed kubuntu, and I just did an apt-get update and I get errors11:35
_jaypeedo you have us.archive.ubuntu.com?11:36
_jaypeein repository11:36
zerotimeI just installed kubuntu 5.1011:36
_jaypeeoo okay11:36
_jaypeeso that means you do have us.archive.ubuntu.com11:37
_jaypeelet me get you proper link11:37
_jaypeei had same problem11:37
_jaypeei think us.archive.ubuntu.com repository is broken11:37
zerotimewell, mine is es.archive.ubuntu.com11:37
zerotimeI installed spanish support on the installation procedure11:38
_jaypeei am currently using deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu11:38
zerotimethat works?11:38
_jaypeeand when i did sudo apt-get update everything was fine11:38
_jaypeei just took the us off11:38
_jaypeeim sending you my sources.list11:39
_jaypeeso you can look over it11:39
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zerotimethx, that worked like a charm11:40
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_jaypeenp =)11:41
_jaypeeglad i helped11:41
zerotimewhat about installing amule, xmms, azureus, etc11:41
zerotimeany source?11:41
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_jaypeewell amule i know you can install from apt-get11:42
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_jaypeeas long as you activate multiverse11:42
onurHello, i have upgraded KDE 3.5 now i have the arts crashing. How can i downgrade ? sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*arts*.91-*deb is not working because there's only 92 version11:42
_jaypeeand universe in repository11:42
_jaypeeazureus i believe you can just download from the site11:42
onurI mean i am trying to downgrade arts11:43
_jaypeehttp://azureus.sourceforge.net/11:43
_jaypeemake sure you also install latest java11:43
_jaypeefor some reason azureus doesn't work with old java version11:43
_jaypeeonur, hmm11:44
_jaypeei don't know how to do it11:44
_jaypeei had to do a complete reinstall11:44
_jaypeedo you have synaptic installed?11:44
onurcomplete reinstall of what ?11:44
_jaypeecomplete reinstall of my kubuntu because it became unstable11:45
onurafter upgrading to 3.5 ?11:45
_jaypeebut i believe in synaptic you can force downgrade11:45
zerotimeIf I enable multinverse I get errors too11:45
onurmine looks stable except the arts crashing11:45
_jaypeeonur go into synaptic and see if you can force a downgrade to lower version11:46
onurThe issue has been noticed in knownbugs section of kubuntu website but the solution sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*arts*.91-*deb  is not working11:46
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_jaypeezerotime do you still want to download my sources.list?11:46
onur_jaypee: is there synaptic in kubuntu ?11:47
mts^yes11:47
mts^but its called kynaptic11:47
_jaypeeonur: in kubuntu its adept, but you can install synaptic by sudo apt-get install synaptic11:47
onursudo apt-get install synaptic11:47
onurllike that11:47
onurok11:47
_jaypeeyes11:48
_jaypeeit has more features than kubuntu version of synaptic11:48
onurwhat else problems did you encounter after upgrading to 3.5 ?11:48
mts^adept is far nicer than synaptic imo11:48
_jaypeeonur, just arts really11:49
_jaypeeand occasional kicker crash11:49
onurso you did reinstall just for that ? Isn't that an overkill ?11:49
_jaypeealso when i installed programs from source, it doesnt show up in the menu11:49
onuroh11:50
onurwhat do you suggest ?11:50
kkathmanI'd suggest to anyone right now to NOT install KDE3.5 beta211:50
onuri mean i need a stable system.11:50
_jaypeei didn't really tweak my computer much, and only tested kubuntu for two days, so i was like why not just reinstall and wait for kde 3.5 stable11:50
kkathmanit was a premature release11:50
onuroh, this means i have to reinstall my kubuntu ?11:50
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_jaypeeits up to you11:51
onurassuming that i want to go back to 3.4.311:51
_jaypeemaybe you can wait till they release rc1 and it might fix the bugs11:51
kkathmanyou've already installed it?11:51
_jaypeeyes onur has installed it, i tried it too11:52
kkathmanyer stuck then, its very difficult to uninstall...not a simple process :(11:52
kkathmanuninstalling can be worse lol11:52
zerotimeplease, can someone tellme how to enable multinverse? if I enable them, and do an apt-get update I get errors 40411:52
zerotimeplease, help11:52
onurok i can get through  a reinstall of kubuntu11:52
_jaypeezerotime11:52
onurtakes 30 minutes or so11:52
zerotimeyes jaypee11:52
kkathman!tell zerotime about repos11:52
_jaypeemake sure its multiverse not multinverse11:52
frank23zerotime: its multiverse right not multinverse11:52
onurthanks people11:52
_jaypeeno problem onur, good luck11:53
kkathmanzerotime: check the pm11:53
zerotimeI know, I dont edit the line, I just uncomment it11:53
onurhere one disk goes for  reformatting :)11:53
_jaypeezerotime: heres how my line looks deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted multiverse11:54
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_jaypeezerotime did it work?11:55
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zerotimethx11:56
_jaypeeare you using hoary 5.04 or breezy 5.10?11:56
zerotimegot it working now ubotu11:56
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_jaypeeglad you got it =)11:56
treefrogHi all11:56
zerotimeand jaypee thx too11:57
_jaypeehi11:57
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kkathmanhey treefrog :)11:57
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treefrogwhats the topick of the moment??11:57
kkathmanhmm.. not much of any topic really11:57
_jaypeelol11:57
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_jaypeeanyone use opensuse?11:58
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_jaypeei converted from suse to kubuntu11:58
treefrogwhat about java.. simple stuff. how to set it up. Y is it not in Adept .??11:58
kkathmantreefrog: same stories...people having probs with beta2 and the like11:58
kkathman!tell treefrog about java11:58
treefrogya that is where I am.. Got Amarok going to I can breath 11:58
kkathmanchek the pm11:58
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treefrog_thanks12:00
treefrog_can one of you register me so I can PM?12:00
treefrog_is that how it works??12:00
zerotimehow can I enable ntfs support in kubuntu 5.10?12:01
treefrog_Oh I like that one12:01
treefrog_go to system settings12:01
treefrog_open disk and file systems12:01
treefrog_click on administrator mode12:02
zerotimeyeah and12:02
treefrog_enter pass and select the partition you want to set up. 12:02

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