[12:03] <raphink> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:03] <raphink> that might be easier for you
[12:03] <Blissex> troth: do you want to keep your 10GB or throw it away?
[12:03] <troth> see, i need the big hd for my movies and music etc, but i also dont want to give up on breezy yet, so i just want to upgrade without reconfiguring
[12:04] <Blissex> troth: but what... Please note that I am not telepathic and I cannot just imagine it.
[12:04] <troth> itll probably sit in a box till it gets thrown away i guess
[12:04] <Blissex> troth: so the end result is that your PC has 2 250GB drives and what should each drive contain?
[12:04] <kkathman> strike4ce: also from the console you can do a sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list  but I'd backup your current file first
[12:05] <troth> one with my windows2000 pro, and i want to keep the slave i am on now with breezy
[12:05] <Blissex> troth: how many partitions have you got on the 10GB?
[12:05] <troth> just one
[12:06] <strike4ce> ok how do I use the key for the beta version in terminal?
[12:06] <troth> FAT32
[12:07] <strike4ce> Anyone using the beta version of kubuntu?
[12:07] <Blissex> strike4ce: the final version has been released...
[12:08] <strike4ce> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta2.php
[12:08] <Inglorion> how can i prevent cds from getting automatically mounted when i insert them?
[12:08] <strike4ce> Blissex: you see that?
[12:08] <Blissex> troth: what you should do is to boot your system as it is but with the nw disk added in too.
[12:08] <motyR> dont use hal
[12:08] <Blissex> strike4ce: thats not the beta version of Kubuntu, more that of KDE.
[12:09] <troth> correct
[12:09] <Inglorion> so how do i not use hal?
[12:09] <strike4ce> Blissex: ok how do you enter the key?
[12:09] <Blissex> strike4ce: there is a link from which you can download it... The one with anchor Jonathan Riddell's key
[12:10] <Blissex> Inglorion: disabling HAL is just a more radical way to disable automounting of CDs, it disables a lot of other magic.
[12:10] <Inglorion> yeah, figures
[12:10] <Blissex> Inglorion: try to find in the Control Center the right option, or look at the Ubuntu Wiki for some guide.
[12:11] <Inglorion> but i can live without hal
[12:11] <troth> Blissex: i dont think i have physical space with 3 hd's in it
[12:11] <Inglorion> i've been using linux since 1994 or so :-)
[12:11] <Blissex> troth: that is going to make things painful.
[12:11] <strike4ce> Blissex: What do I do copy and psate it?  There is no download once you click the link
[12:11] <Blissex> Inglorion: ahhhh, so you actually know what's going on and I don't have to use babytalk. :-)
[12:12] <Blissex> strike4ce: right click on the anchor and use the 'save link as' menu
[12:12] <motyR> Inglorion: kcontrol -> peripherals ->storage media -> advanced
[12:12] <Inglorion> blissex: yeah, i would be ok if you told me which bytes i have to send to which i/o ports :-)
[12:12] <troth> Blissex: so im better off with a fresh install...
[12:13] <Blissex> Inglorion: I have actually disabled all of 'hotplug', 'udev' and 'hal' just to be like in the good old times when hairy half written software did not pretend to configure my PC.
[12:13] <Blissex> troth: no, not at all.
[12:14] <Blissex> troth: the difficulty is that if you cannot have all three hard disks in you will need to do things in two stages and use a live CD to do the copying instead of your existing Breezy install.
[12:14] <Inglorion> motyR: somehow, there's no "storage media" in kcontrol
[12:14] <motyR> so download kde 3.5
[12:14] <strike4ce> Blissex: thanx sorry for my stupidity LOL I dont think of the obvious while using kubuntu  NEW USER HERE
[12:14] <troth> ok i see...
[12:14] <Blissex> Inglorion: I am pretty sure there is a way to just disable the annoying automaounting of CDs.
[12:15] <Blissex> strike4ce: dont worry, it happens to everybody...
[12:15] <Inglorion> blissex: i would hope so, too
[12:15] <Blissex> Inglorion: but I suspect that KDE does require HAL.
[12:16] <troth> BLissex: i basically just want to take out the breezy drive, do a perfect copy, change pin to master, discard 10G, return breezy drive back in place
[12:16] <libben> http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=872.0
[12:16] <Blissex> troth: you can do that if you use a LiveCD to do the partition copy.
[12:16] <mmport81> Guys, what has happened to mp3 ripping in konq on breezy????
[12:17] <troth> Blissex: i have plenty of those
[12:17] <strike4ce> Blissex: what wireless manager do you use?
[12:17] <Blissex> troth: excellent, then do the disc swap as you say, and boot the LiveCD.
[12:18] <Blissex> strike4ce: none, I am a terrible geek and I do everything manually, command line.
[12:18] <Blissex> strike4ce: but KWiFiManager is not bad.
[12:18] <Inglorion> alright, if i can't find how to disable this automounting stuff from kcontrol, is there a configuration file i can edit?
[12:18] <m_abs> I have a problem with the kubuntu 5.10 livedvd. My onboard NIC doesn't want to work, it is found, but there is no light in it and I can't get an IP from dhcp. It is not the cable. Is there a command to force activate at NIC? I've already tried "sudp ifconfig eth0". The NIC uses the module "sk98lin" which I of cause have tried modprobing myself.
[12:18] <strike4ce> Blissex:  Im not home but I have a problem I cant set up a secure wifi connection with Kwifi
[12:19] <troth> Blissex, k excellent how do i go about doing that pls?
[12:19] <Blissex> troth: once you have got the discs sorted out right, and the Live CD spinning, do something like 'cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb'
[12:19] <strike4ce> Blissex: also it doesnt detect any other connections but the one I am using and I know there are more
[12:19] <Pablo_C> m_abs,  you can try "sudo eth0 up"
[12:19] <Pablo_C> er
[12:20] <troth> Blissex: perfect, thanks for your time and patience
[12:20] <Pablo_C> "sudo ifconfig eth0 up"
[12:20] <Inglorion> lol, i just found the file called kdontchangethehostname
[12:20] <Blissex> strike4ce: you shouldnt ask for help from specific people... But. Wait a sec. Or try #wireless or #KDE in the meantime.
[12:20] <Blissex> troth: wait, oops
[12:20] <troth> k
[12:20] <m_abs> Pablo_C: I've tried that, no effect.
[12:20] <_francesco> Hello, I just did apt-get install metabar... how can I get metabar in konqueror now?
[12:20] <mmport81> mp3 ripping in konq breezy anyone?
[12:20] <asraniel> OMG! kubuntu with wireless on my laptop is sooooo cool :-)
[12:20] <Blissex> troth: that actually is not an awesome idea unless the two discs have similar geometry, which is unlikely us they are so different.
[12:21] <Blissex> troth: so best thing is a slightly more complicated and less evil thing.
[12:21] <troth> Blissex: ya a 10G to a 250G,
[12:21] <motyR> mmport81: have u installed lame and the gtreamer plugin?
[12:21] <m_abs> Will an 8-9 year old NIC work in a AMD64 system?
[12:22] <Blissex> troth: boot live CD, partition the new disk initially with just one partition, of the same size or a tiny bit larger than  the '/dev/hda1' one.
[12:22] <mmport81> motyR: lame yes
[12:22] <Blissex> troth: then 'cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1' or whatever it is.
[12:22] <mmport81> motyR: gstreamer, why?
[12:22] <Blissex> troth: then you also need to make the new '/dev/hda' bootable.
[12:22] <troth> k, and id have to keep it FAT32 also, correct?
[12:23] <motyR> mmport81: try the lame gsteamer plugin
[12:23] <Blissex> troth: well, 'cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1' copies each byte in the partition identical. So it will be still FAT32. You can then tell MS Windows that you want to convert it to NTFS.
[12:23] <mmport81> motyR: righteo will do - never needed it in the past tho...
[12:24] <Blissex> troth: next thing is to put the LILO or GRUB booter into the boot block of the new disc.
[12:24] <troth> grub
[12:25] <Blissex> troth: there are two ways to do that. One is to remove the 10GB disc, put in the old 250GB disc, boot from a rescue disk, with root set to the Breezy partition, and reinstall GRUB to '/dev/hda'.
[12:25] <troth> or..
[12:25] <mmport81> motyR: it worked!! is kde moving over to gstreamer nowadays??
[12:25] <mmport81>     motyR: thanks!
[12:25] <motyR> yep
[12:25] <motyR> :)
[12:26] <mmport81> beats arts
[12:26] <Blissex> troth: the other if you are familiar with GRUB console mode is to do the install and config of GRUB from the Live CD.
[12:26] <troth> ill be better off withe option one
[12:26] <Blissex> troth: yes, because I think it is well described in a page on the Wiki.
[12:26] <troth> k
[12:27] <Blissex> troth: option one is the standard procedure for example if you screw up the booting on your main disc.
[12:27] <troth> Blissex: if its a perfect copy, why wouldnt it just be the same?
[12:28] <Blissex> troth: so when you reinstall the GRUB boot block you are sorted, because your GRUB menu will already have an entry for '/dev/hda1' and MS Windows.
[12:28] <Blissex> troth: it is a perfect copy of the _partition_. The boot block is outside any partition.
[12:28] <troth> i see..
[12:29] <blueyed> Is it a known problem with kde3.5b2 (from kubuntu.org) that artsd keeps crashing?
[12:29] <Blissex> blueyed: I have seen several people mention that... I think.
[12:29] <crimsun> there's a bug reported on it already
[12:30] <Blissex> troth: so when you swap out the 10GB and rearrange the discs so the old 250 is secondary and the new one primary, the primary will have no boot on it, and just a 10GB partition with MS Windows on it.
[12:31] <Blissex> troth: if your motherboard is recent, it can also be made to boot from the secondary disk. In that case, before you do any rearrangement of the discs,
[12:31] <troth> Blissex: doubt it, om on a 733mhz P3
[12:32] <Blissex> troth: you can install the GRUB boot block to the secondary disc too, and test that works. If so, when you have the new and old 250 in the PC, you boot off the secondary, and then put the boot block on the primary, and reboot.
[12:32] <Blissex> troth: uhm, that is a bit doubtful, but check, even some BIOSes of that era can boot from any of the four IDE discs.
[12:34] <Blissex> troth: note that actually once you have installed GRUB on the Linux disc and told the BIOS to boot from it, you can actually just leave it like that.
[12:34] <Blissex> troth: you might want then to put the MS Windows boot block on the primar disc, using the MS Windows 2000 install disc in Rescue Mode, with FIXMBR.
[12:35] <Blissex> troth: so you can boot MS Windows directly if you need by switching the boot disc to primary in the BIOS, and viceversa.
[12:36] <troth> i see
[12:36] <troth> hmmm
[12:36] <Blissex> troth: final and very important bit of advice... If you are thinking of using most of the discs to store data that can be read both by MS Windows and GNU/Linux, you can use 'ext3' instead of FAT32. There is now a very nice 'ext3' driver for MS Windows 2000 and later.
[12:37] <troth> thats what the breezy disc im on now is...
[12:37] <Blissex> troth: http://ext2fsd.SourceForge.net/
[12:37] <blueyed> Blissex, crimsun: thanks. I've added my backtrace and a bit more info.
[12:37] <Blissex> troth: you can install it now to your MS Windows 2000 system and access your Linux partitions.
[12:37] <troth> cool
[12:38] <asraniel> hahahaha, how i loooove kubuntu! lying in my bed, chating over wireless, and listening with amarok to the music that is on my ipod!
[12:39] <Blissex> asraniel: lazy guy! :-)
[12:40] <chimaera> can someone confirm taht apt-setup doesn't add the updates entries to the sources.list?
[12:41] <os2mac> !totem
[12:41] <ubotu> os2mac: Are you smoking crack?
[12:41] <chimaera> propagandhi: nice nick ;)
[12:42] <os2mac> anyone have a problem running totem?
[12:42] <chimaera> propagandhi: checked http://americasarmy.co ? (mind the .ca!)
[12:42] <chimaera> err.. .ca..
[12:43] <os2mac> anyone?
[12:43] <chimaera> os2mac: running totem under kde is kind of, well perverted.. ;)
[12:44] <chimaera> os2mac: you might want to check #ubuntu
[12:47] <frahi> is there any kde tool like gthumb? a picture viewer for directories
[12:47] <chimaera> frahi: you mean displaying the images as thummbs?
[12:48] <frahi> yes, but with some functionality like rotating, gamma correction etc.
[12:48] <os2mac> chimaera... sorry didn't realize that until just now...
[12:49] <chimaera> os2mac: np..
[12:49] <os2mac> but my problem is the same.... I can't get kaffiene to work either...
[12:49] <troth> Blissex: when i get the boot screen breezy is my default os, might grub already be installed on the disc?
[12:50] <troth> Bliisex: it i take longer than 10 sec, itll load breezy, i have to scroll down to windows
[12:50] <Blissex> troth: this booting from the secondary?
[12:50] <Blissex> troth: have you changed the boot order in the BIOS?
[12:50] <troth> no, i definetly didnt do that
[12:51] <os2mac> !kaffiene
[12:51] <ubotu> os2mac: Bugger all, i dunno
[12:51] <os2mac> !kaffeine
[12:51] <ubotu> os2mac: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[12:51] <chimaera> frahi: probably gwenview or kuickshow...
[12:52] <frahi> ah gwenview looks good
[12:52] <troth> Blissex: maybe breezy set it when it was installed, because if i remember right, it does say loading grub
[12:53] <troth> before the boot prompt
[12:53] <chimaera> bye..
[12:53] <Blissex> troth: you are being very unclear. 
[12:54] <Blissex> troth: probably Breezy installed GRUB to the boot block of your 10GB. But your 10GB is going to disappear.
[12:54] <troth> ok just checking
[12:54] <troth> thanx
[12:54] <Blissex> troth: so GRUB must be either installed to the new 250GB, or to the old 250GB and then the boot order changed.
[12:54] <troth> right
[12:56] <os2mac> doesn't Kaffiene play .mpg
[12:59] <Astr0naut> After installing Breezy, my /home is on a large FAT32-partition intended to be shared with XP. Now I suspect permission issues is preventing me from adding users. Did I mess up? Where should I ideally put /home ?
[01:04] <frahi> Astr0naut: fat32 is one of the worst filesystem, I would use ext2 and install the windows driver for that
[01:04] <Blissex> frahi: there is now even an 'ext3' driver for MS Windows.
[01:05] <Blissex> frahi: http://ext2fsd.SourceForge.net/
[01:05] <frahi> well ext3 is just an additional journaling mode for ext2
[01:05] <Blissex> frahi: yes, but having it is nice...
[01:05] <Blissex> frahi: there are other drivers that just do 'ext2'.
[01:06] <Blissex> frahi: and I have heard that there is an a ReiserFS driver for MS Windows too.
[01:07] <frahi> maybe, can't be that hard to write one if the framework is done
[01:12] <tetrahedron> really want to try Kubuntu, but everytime i use the DVD (amd64) to try it out, this happens: The first text based boot screen loads. press enter or type install then enter, either or gives me a result of a bluish/purplish screen with yellow squigglie lines in the bottom left corner, not readable at all.
[01:12] <tetrahedron> any ideas?
[01:12] <tetrahedron> Im running SuSE 10 right now
[01:13] <propagandhi> tetrahedron: me too
[01:15] <tetrahedron> well at least im not the only one... have you tried the CD version?
[01:15] <satafterh> SuSE 10 buggy?
[01:15] <tetrahedron> yes
[01:16] <propagandhi> i think its pretty good on the whole, but I've upgraded it to kde 3.5 beta and added heaps of custom stuff
[01:16] <tetrahedron> i cant get everything to work, no video playback but audio for every format
[01:16] <tetrahedron> prop - suse?
[01:16] <propagandhi> yeah
[01:17] <propagandhi> I also run kubuntu on the other partition
[01:17] <propagandhi> so when I said me too, I meant currently running suse 10
[01:17] <tetrahedron> damn i jsut suck then... i am having difficulties which im sure is cause of ATi.. lol.
[01:17] <propagandhi> not that i was also having the problem you are
[01:17] <tetrahedron> ah
[01:17] <apokryphos> heh
[01:18] <apokryphos> there's other methods of installation which you may want to try out
[01:18] <apokryphos> though it's worth trying an alternative ISO (i.e. the CD) first I'd say
[01:18] <propagandhi> surely if it were a video card issue theres a way to set it to install in vesa mode or something
[01:18] <apokryphos> that's what it does
[01:19] <tetrahedron> yeah.. i thought i would jsut check to see if it was a known issue or soemthing
[01:19] <apokryphos> ATI drivers aren't setup in install
[01:19] <pupeno> I am tring to compile madwifi for kubuntu, and I get this error: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-9-686/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc-3.4: command not found, any ideas ?
[01:19] <tetrahedron> i gues i can re-DL the CD format
[01:19] <apokryphos> pupeno: do you have build-essential?
[01:20] <pupeno> let me see.
[01:20] <propagandhi> pupeno: and have you tried 'export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4' or whatever the path to gcc is
[01:20] <tetrahedron> apokryphos - are you saying ATi is a no-go for Kubuntu? or that there is an option for the install command?
[01:20] <apokryphos> propagandhi: shouldn't be any need for that really
[01:20] <propagandhi> or try installing gcc-3.4
[01:21] <pupeno> but I don't have gcc-3.4, kubuntu comes with gcc-4.0
[01:21] <propagandhi> the reason is that the kernel was compiled with gcc-3.4
[01:21] <pupeno> what compiler was used...
[01:21] <propagandhi> so u need to apt-get install gcc-3.4
[01:21] <apokryphos> tetrahedron: well, ATI is really sucky on Linux, but the ATI drivers need to be set up manually by you after installation -- not during the installation process
[01:21] <pupeno> that!
[01:21] <pupeno> propagandhi: thanks.
[01:21] <apokryphos> that's it
[01:21] <propagandhi> and then if it still isnt working, try the export CC command
[01:21] <kevman> Sweet. You guys have fixed crash-happy Xine and Kaffiene.
[01:21] <propagandhi> because 4.0 or whatever it is will be the default compiler still I believe
[01:21] <dreamwave> i see that kubuntu breeze is released but the downloads are all for the release candidate (RC).  is this really the official release?
[01:22] <tetrahedron> apokryphos: yeah i had to setup the ATi drivers on SuSE... ATi does suck for linux.. was thinking of getting nvidia 6600GT AGP
[01:22] <kevman> dreamwave, yep. 
[01:22] <apokryphos> tetrahedron: if you have money to use :P
[01:22] <dreamwave> kevman: thanks
[01:22] <apokryphos> dreamwave: no
[01:23] <dreamwave> huh?
[01:23] <apokryphos> dreamwave: you're looking in the wrong place
[01:23] <apokryphos> head over to the download section of Kubuntu.org
[01:23] <dreamwave> it must be that the US server isn't updated.  the england one seems fine.
[01:23] <tetrahedron> i dont really have the money, but i need a working machine too
[01:23] <kevman> Oh, I misunderstood the question.
[01:23] <dreamwave> apokryphos: i'm using the links from there.  they need updating.
[01:23] <apokryphos> tetrahedron: you can settle for a less flash graphics card then ;-)
[01:24] <dreamwave> i have found a few other broken links on kubuntu.org.  just lucky i guess...
[01:24] <pupeno> dreamwave: I recommend you to use bittorrent and forget about browsing mirrors.
[01:25] <apokryphos> hm, thought you were talking about the DVDs, where the RCs are still in some places
[01:25] <tetrahedron> apokryphos: you might laugh, but I need 3d game support, I plan on taking my game dev (artists side) knowledge and making games using linux for linux and with open source apps
[01:25] <dreamwave> pupeno: ah.  okay.
[01:25] <pupeno> bbl.
[01:26] <apokryphos> tetrahedron: if graphics is important to you, then you'll want a great graphics card, sure.
[01:26] <apokryphos> torrents are best, indeed
[01:27] <apokryphos> tetrahedron: wish you the best of luck; I'm sure if you dedicate yourself you'll make something/be part of something very great =)
[01:27] <tetrahedron> Thanks :)
[01:28] <tetrahedron> so maybe i should jsut run the 32bit version instead of the 64bit version of Kubuntu, Ive been reading better support for packages and what.. even though I have an amd64 proc?
[01:29] <apokryphos> tetrahedron: ergh, that's like keeping in a caged bird :P
[01:29] <tetrahedron> i know i know
[01:30] <apokryphos> tetrahedron: disadvantages of 64-bit are as follows
[01:31] <apokryphos> (i) no flash; (ii) no wmv; (iii) since Riddell packages, and he has an i386, when he's the only one doing the packs there won't be amd64 ones available 
[01:31] <apokryphos> from my perspective though, (i) I don't care for it; (ii) don't care for it; (iii) disadvantage, but every major release (i.e. 3.5 official) will always have an amd64 version, so not that fussed
[01:32] <tetrahedron> well then i need the 32bit.. haha.. need flash, want to experiement with f4l-app aka flash dev for linux
[01:32] <apokryphos> and, essentially, those are the only potential disadvantages (really). Ubuntu is extremely well packaged for 64-bit
[01:32] <apokryphos> tetrahedron: then just make a breezy 32-bit chroot, and run 64-bit primarily
[01:33] <tetrahedron> hmmm... i would have to do that with cedega too? if so, does that hurt proformance any... oh btw thanks, this is helping me very much
[01:34] <apokryphos> hurt perfomance? Nope. It just means you're running two installs of Ubuntu
[01:34] <apokryphos> so that for everyday things you don't have to confine yourself to 32-bit slowness :P
[01:35] <tetrahedron> ok.. sounds cool... i will look into that, i guess i should go now and dl the 5 cd version.. thanks again
[01:46] <os2mac> !sound
[01:46] <ubotu> sound is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/, or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[01:48] <nmorse> Does anyone know if they even make Socket A motherboards with PCI-Express?
[01:50] <strannik> I have a problem...
[01:51] <strannik> mounted my fat32 partition
[01:53] <strannik> then i go to change the desktop wallpaper. i choose an image from the mounted disk (hda5) and it says that i can only add local files and cannot add remote files
[01:53] <philipacamaniac> why would "./configure" have an output error of "bad intepreter: permission denied"?
[01:53] <strannik> couldsomebody light up this situation for me?
[01:53] <strannik> philipacamaniac use sudo
[01:53] <strannik> it helped for me
[01:54] <philipacamaniac> it does the same. I should have rights to build a make file within my home dir.
[01:54] <philipacamaniac> but somethings amiss
[01:54] <Blissex> strannik: thats odd, you sure you have the right permissions?
[01:55] <strannik> how can i check that?
[01:56] <strannik> Blissex, how can i check that?
[01:57] <Kevman> I'm trying to install the ATI binary drivers.
[01:57] <Blissex> strannik: 'ls -ld .....'
[01:57] <Kevman> But the wiki instructions are for Hoary. Is the process the same for Breezy?
[01:57] <Blissex> Kevman: I think so.
[01:58] <Kevman> OK.
[01:58] <apokryphos> it's exactly the same
[01:58] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to run a script using KDE's Autostart folder?
[01:58] <fatejudger> the only thing it does when I put things in it is try and open them with Kate
[01:59] <nmorse> Normally you use .desktop files in KDE's Autostart folder.
[01:59] <apokryphos> fatejudger: are you sure you made them executable?
[01:59] <fatejudger> no...
[01:59] <nmorse> Then it launches them normally.
[01:59] <philipacamaniac> Okay, I'm dumb, I was trying to configure from a mounted drive, not from $HOME
[02:00] <nmorse> Or at least that's all I've ever done.
[02:00] <apokryphos> fatejudger: chmod a+x somefile
[02:00] <philipacamaniac> a mounted drive with noexec...
[02:00] <fatejudger> apokryphos: thanks
[02:00] <strannik> Blissex, here are the perms: drwxr-xr-x  15 root root 16384 1969-12-31 19:00 windows. according to this, i should be able to read the files on it
[02:00] <fatejudger> apokryphos: I'll try restarting X then
[02:00] <philipacamaniac> did anyone fonts get screwed up with the last update?
[02:01] <Blissex> strannik: yes... Then it is hard to imagine wgat you are doing that causes trouble.
[02:01] <philipacamaniac> also, did anyone's refresh rate get screwed up with the last update?
[02:02] <strannik> Blissex, ok, step by step: 
[02:02] <philipacamaniac> after I rebooted from last update, my refresh rate went from 85 to 60 (ouch!) and the fonts are fairly small.
[02:02] <strannik> Blissex, right click on desktop, choose configure
[02:02] <os2mac> I have a problem with sound. I can hear system noises but not CD playback.....
[02:02] <strannik> Blissex, click on the browse button
[02:03] <philipacamaniac> nevermind, I guess I've been booted to 75dpi... off to change that now.
[02:03] <strannik> Blissex, clcik on the storage media button
[02:03] <trinidad> anyone notice that us.archive.ubuntu is down
[02:03] <Blissex> strannik:  yes, that sounds fine.
[02:03] <trinidad> I've searched the net and can't find anything about it
[02:03] <strannik> Blissex, click on the 25 gb one (thats hda5)
[02:03] <jbasilio> how do you clean up your lost+found? mine is so huge it take 10 second for it to display
[02:03] <trinidad> my synaptic won't let me install anthing
[02:04] <trinidad> sudo apt-get -f install also does nothing
[02:04] <strannik> Blissex, select the file i need and get error
[02:04] <trinidad> us.archive.ubuntu .... fails everytime
[02:04] <trinidad> I'm running hoary
[02:04] <trinidad> am downloading breezy
[02:04] <Blissex> strannik: sound OK. Whats the type of the file?
[02:05] <strannik> jpg
[02:06] <trinidad> can anyone help?
[02:06] <Blissex> strannik: very odd.
[02:06] <strannik> Blissex, thats what i'm saying too..
[02:06] <trinidad> i was trying to install wxPython and couldn't get anything
[02:06] <Blissex> strannik: can you try to copy to file to say '/tmp' and open it there to see if it gives the same error.
[02:06] <strannik> Blissex, the file is in a directory which name is non english letters. whould it explain it?
[02:07] <Blissex> strannik: ahhhhhhhh, that can be a very likely cause.
[02:07] <Blissex> strannik: you have to mount the FAT32 partition with the right encoding.
[02:07] <Blissex> strannik: look at the 'mount' options for how to select a charset/encoding.
[02:08] <strannik> Blissex, i mounted with utf8 which is working just great
[02:09] <strannik> Blissex in konq, i see all the files ok
[02:09] <Blissex> strannik: then that should not be a big factor. Try two things: copy the file to a directory on the FAT32 partition that has only got ASCII characters, and try with say '/tmp' as I was saying before.
[02:09] <strannik> Blissex ok...will try..
[02:09] <Blissex> strannik: there might be a bug with UTF-8 handling.
[02:14] <strannik> ok, in /tmp it worked ok
[02:16] <strannik> Blissex i moved the jpg to a directory will only ASCII characters
[02:17] <strannik> Blissex and got the same error:
[02:17] <Blissex> strannik: thats very very odd.
[02:17] <strannik> Blissex You can only select local files.
[02:17] <Blissex> strannik: but a local FAT32 partition is a local file.
[02:17] <strannik> will try to change permissions from root to myself
[02:17] <spstarr_home> any news on when kmail will be fixed?
[02:17] <Blissex> strannik: you said it is 'hda5' isn't it?
[02:18] <strannik> Blissex yes it it 
[02:18] <strannik> a logical drive
[02:18] <strannik> the files themself are on the extended section
[02:18] <Blissex> strannik: thats fine. Because I can imagine that having your background on a remote network drive might not be a good idea, it could be here one day and not the next minute.
[02:19] <strannik> Blissex but it isn't..its on my hard drive....do you know anybody that could help me?
[02:19] <kevman> Isn't it possible to have direct rendering and composite extensions enabled?
[02:19] <Blissex> strannik: problem is, your problem is odd, and you are not giving much context.
[02:20] <Blissex> kevman: there are pretty fundamental problems with that, so dont. But ask in #Xorg
[02:21] <strannik> Blissex ok, what information do you require?
[02:21] <Blissex> strannik: for example, the full path to the file including the file name, and the output of 'grep hda5 /proc/mounts'
[02:22] <kevman> Seems there are opensource ATI drivers that do, but I'm guessing they aren't in apt.
[02:22] <pussfeller> kde used to let you select a backgorund from a remote nfs thingee
[02:22] <crimsun> opensource ati drivers? as in the ones distributed with your X Window System?
[02:23] <strannik> Blissex ok, hold for a moment
[02:23] <mustafu> is there any way I can check the integrity of the install CD before I burn it in windows?
[02:23] <ecobuntu> do you guys know how to remove kde?  i just want to use gnome
[02:23] <pussfeller> get md5sum program and checkt he sums
[02:23] <strannik> Blissex /dev/hda5 /media/windows vfat rw,nodiratime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[02:23] <Blissex> mustafu: yes, and also chekc it _after_ you burn it.
[02:23] <spstarr_home> ecobuntu: go to #ubuntu, but apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop will do it :(
[02:24] <pussfeller> which should be on the ftp or the webpage you got it from
[02:24] <Blissex> strannik: looks pretty reasonable.
[02:24] <ecobuntu> no it doesn't
[02:24] <mustafu> md5sum program? got it, I think
[02:24] <ecobuntu> just the virtual package
[02:24] <mustafu> k, thanks
[02:24] <kevman> crimsun, no I mean ones that have direct rendering...
[02:24] <spstarr_home> it should remove ALL of kde bits
[02:24] <pussfeller> its not going to hurt anything to have it there
[02:24] <kkathman> good evening all (or whatever it is where you are)
[02:24] <ecobuntu> it does not
[02:24] <pussfeller> u just dont have to use it
[02:25] <crimsun> kevman: still unclear
[02:25] <strannik> path: 
[02:25] <pussfeller> whats up kkathman 
[02:25] <strannik>  /media/windows/14_12.jpg
[02:26] <kevman> I dunno, it was on some poorly written Gentoo wiki, crimsun.
[02:26] <kkathman> howdy pussfeller - good to see you :)
[02:26] <kkathman> pussfeller: trying to see what the deal is with this latest update to breezy that knocked out my samba shares from refreshing
[02:27] <strannik> Blissex: any ideas on what i can do to fix it?
[02:27] <kkathman> i got a feeling its the kdebase update
[02:27] <pussfeller> that shouldnt mess up anything internally in samba, just maybe some config line in smb.conf
[02:28] <Blissex> strannik: no idea unfortunately. But why are using the 'Storage Media'? Cant' you just navigate there?
[02:28] <pussfeller> if u used the kconftrol gui
[02:28] <kkathman> pussfeller: well there have been several people reporting strange things with anything in /media
[02:28] <Blissex> strannik: because 'media:hda6' might go via a bit strange path.
[02:28] <kkathman> pussfeller: and it was fine until I updated this morning
[02:28] <pussfeller> oh, from a windows box TO linux, ok
[02:28] <pussfeller> then it could be in konqy smb thingee
[02:28] <Blissex> strannik: and perhaps it is going via the 'media:' JIOSlavet that annoys KDesktop
[02:29] <pussfeller> strannik is reporting weird things as well in media
[02:29] <Blissex> strannik: so just click on the up arrow go to the root and descend from there to where the file is.
[02:29] <kkathman> pussfeller: yah.. I noticed it today, when I deleted some files on my win box, and was back on my linux box and looked at the share, and the files were still there
[02:30] <pussfeller> well i will refrain from updating more then
[02:30] <kkathman> pussfeller: yep so have half a dozen or so people
[02:30] <kkathman> pussfeller: its easy enough to sync it...just F5, but still that should refresh automatically...it did in hoary
[02:31] <Pupeno> updates! nice.
[02:31] <strannik> Blissex, i mounted the drive to /media, where else can i find it?
[02:31] <kkathman> !tell Pupeno about gpgerr
[02:32] <strannik> Blissex, sorry if it is a dumb question...just my second week using linux....
[02:32] <strannik> =)
[02:32] <kkathman> Pupeno: check the PM 
[02:32] <Blissex> strannik: the 'media:' KIOslave and the '/media' directory are tow completely different things.
[02:32] <Pupeno> kkathman: not that problem, I want pgp to work on kmail.
[02:32] <Blissex> strannik: dont worry about that, it was clear.
[02:32] <Blissex> strannik: basically 'media:' is a server that does clever things. '/media' is just a directory.
[02:33] <strannik> ok, thanks..will try
[02:33] <kevman> Does kubuntu support Exa?
[02:33] <kkathman> Blissex: yep others are experiencing everything missing from /media
[02:33] <Blissex> strannik: so move around in the ''browse'' dialog, until the path at the top begins with '/media/hda5' instead of 'media:hda5'.
[02:33] <pussfeller> those kio slaves can get pretty uppity
[02:33] <Blissex> kevman: sure, if you have a time machine.
[02:34] <strannik> Blissex, ok...works if i just go through the file system to /media/windows/..
[02:34] <kevman> Oh, I thought the latest Xorg had it.
[02:34] <strannik> will have to find somekind of manual for media: server, thank you very much
[02:34] <Blissex> kevman: it is heavily, heavily experimental.
[02:34] <kevman> Figured as much.
[02:34] <Pupeno> pgp still doesn't work on kmail :(
[02:35] <Blissex> strannik: you are welcome. BTW, in general to get help, type things exactly as you see them if they are short. Little details like a colon instead of a slash can matter.
[02:35] <strannik> Blissex, thank you very much for the patience
[02:35] <Blissex> strannik: as to what the various KIO slaves do there is little docs.
[02:35] <pussfeller> am i the only one with kio_imap running amuck from time to time?
[02:36] <kkathman> pussfeller: I havent noticed anything, should I check?
[02:36] <Blissex> strannik: in general they make accessible files from places where they cannot be mounted directly, e.g. remote machines etc.
[02:36] <pussfeller> kkathman, its not a new problem, its been that way for awhile... it doesn't accept network disconnects very well
[02:36] <pussfeller> it might just be my particular setup or something
[02:37] <Blissex> strannik: if you want to see a list, and some come with documentation, do the following:
[02:37] <pussfeller> but what ever it is, it still does it after the upgrade
[02:37] <kkathman> pussfeller: hmm...I guess I would know if that was happening eh?
[02:37] <kkathman> lol
[02:37] <pussfeller> yeah they would eat all your cpu
[02:37] <Blissex> strannik: type "about:konqueror" in the address bar of Konqueror, and then click on the "many more..." link at the bottom of the page.
[02:39] <strannik> Blissex thanx a lot...doing it right now
[02:39] <Blissex> strannik: most are not documented, but some are interesting.
[02:43] <Pupeno> can anybody use gpg on kmail currently ?
[02:43] <kkathman> Blissex: Just curious, is there a key or something that tells exactly what the Function keys do in certain situations..for instance I learned today that F9 will refresh a samba share..I kinda wondered where that info is?
[02:44] <kkathman> oops F5 I mean
[02:44] <Blissex> kkathman: usually you should not ask specific people directly, but tonight Ill make an exception...
[02:44] <Pupeno> kkathman: in a kde program, you can see that on Settings->Configure Shortcuts
[02:44] <kkathman> excuse me then, Im sorry
[02:44] <Pupeno> Blissex: : in a kde program, you can see that on Settings->Configure Shortcuts
[02:44] <Pupeno> bah!
[02:45] <kkathman> I'll dig around :)
[02:45] <strannik> Blissex checked for many more link on the page that i receive when i typed: about: konqueror....it wasn't there =)
[02:45] <Blissex> kkathman: usually every KDE app has a nice 'Settings:Configure Shortcuts' menu and you can sort it both by name of the command and by key by clicking on the name of the column.
[02:45] <Blissex> kkathman: just as <Pupeno> said.
[02:45] <strannik> Blissex the only link that is in the bottom is Next: An Introduction to Konqueror, but no worries..will look on the internet for some manuals on media
[02:46] <Blissex> strannik: did you type it without any spaces, that is "about:konqueror"?
[02:48] <os2mac> I am getting an error trying to play .mpg files in Kaffiene....
[02:48] <os2mac> can anyone help?
[02:48] <crimsun> have you installed kaffeine-xine from universe?
[02:49] <os2mac> no...just what comes with Kubuntu
[02:53] <os2mac> so I just did and I get this
[02:54] <os2mac> no decoders found to decode stream.
[02:55] <strannik> Blissex tripple checked....i typed without any spaces...
[02:56] <Blissex> strannik: which version of KDE have you got?
[02:56] <Blissex> strannik: dont bother... There is a nice alternative.
[02:58] <Blissex> just type "kcmshell ioslaveinfo" in a Konsole or with 'ALT-F2'
[02:58] <strannik> Blissex kde 3.4.0
[03:01] <Blissex> strannik: should work with 3.4.0 too the 'kcmshell ioslaveinfo' I hope,
[03:01] <strannik> Blissex i got the info tool.
[03:02] <strannik> choose the media in the left panel and all i got is:
[03:02] <strannik> Some info about protocol media:/ ...
[03:02] <strannik> and thats all =)
[03:02] <Blissex> strannik: there is perhaps some docs on the KDE web site.
[03:02] <strannik> Blissex thank you ...will look into it...
[03:03] <Blissex> strannik: for most there are no docs. Now 'media:' is basically similar to the KwikDisk mounting/unmount application.
[03:06] <os2mac> I have installed all kaffeine .deb files and still cannot play .mpg files
[03:09] <os2mac> anyone got any ideas?
[03:12] <shale> if i installed regular ubuntu and i want to switch, do i need to reinstall kubuntu or can i apt-get my way to it?
[03:14] <Blissex> shale: use 'apt-get kubuntu-desktop'
[03:14] <Blissex> os2mac: !binary
[03:14] <Blissex> !binary
[03:14] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, Blissex
[03:14] <Blissex> !media
[03:14] <ubotu> I don't know, Blissex
[03:14] <Blissex> !restricted
[03:14] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:15] <shale> Blissex, thanmks
[03:15] <Blissex> os2mac: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:16] <spstarr_home> ubotu, bot snack
[03:16] <ubotu> :)
[03:16] <spstarr_home> :)
[03:20] <hyperactivecrond> ok a certain os's installation cd is scratched and won't install rite.  Should I use something like the Gamedoctor scratch reparier on it?
[03:20] <laszlok> actually: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:20] <laszlok> i hate when i forget to put install and apt-get yells at me
[03:20] <tux0beliver> anyone know how to tell when Kynaptic is done installing software?
[03:25] <stupendo44> how can I resize my main partition? When I installed kubuntu, I made it smaller so that I could create a larger fat partition. I have shrunk the fat partition now and I want to increase my main one.
[03:36] <strike4ce> I updated to kde3.5 can I reverse it?
[03:37] <fatejudger> I was using Azureus and it sucked up like 150,000 megabytes of RAM
[03:37] <fatejudger> and when I closed it it didn't give it back
[03:37] <fatejudger> is there any way to tell Linux to free up that memory
[03:37] <fatejudger> or do I have to restart?
[03:37] <fatejudger> obviously restarting is faster than asking this question
[03:38] <fatejudger> but I was hoping to know for future reference as well
[03:38] <crimsun> why are you worried about that RAM?
[03:38] <fatejudger> well crap
[03:38] <fatejudger> my swap is like
[03:38] <fatejudger> 200,000 megabytes full
[03:38] <fatejudger> I mean
[03:38] <fatejudger> kilobytes
[03:38] <fatejudger> and I have 256 mb of RAM
[03:39] <fatejudger> normally after a fresh restart I have 30 MB of RAM available
[03:39] <fatejudger> with no swap taken up
[03:39] <crimsun> free -m |grep cache:|awk '{ print $4 }'
[03:39] <crimsun> that's the only figure you should be concerned about
[03:40] <fatejudger> 127
[03:40] <fatejudger> but in KDE sysguard
[03:40] <fatejudger> it says I have 5 mb free RAM
[03:40] <fatejudger> and 170 MB of used swap
[03:40] <crimsun> like I said, the only figure to be concerned about is the output from the command I just gave you.
[03:41] <fatejudger> well why is my computer slow then?
[03:41] <crimsun> Linux aggressively caches from the FS into RAM. It's expected that you'll have very, very few MB of free RAM.
[03:41] <fatejudger> yes but
[03:41] <fatejudger> my swap is very full
[03:41] <crimsun> it's sluggish due to the memory pressure
[03:42] <fatejudger> but that isn't how it normally is
[03:42] <crimsun> log out of KDE, swapoff -a && swapon -a, then log back in
[03:42] <strike4ce> I updated to kde3.5 can I reverse it?
[03:42] <crimsun> older JVMs are beasts when it comes to memory (de)allocation
[03:42] <fatejudger> crimsun: is that the only way?
[03:42] <fatejudger> I have Java 1.5
[03:42] <crimsun> strike4ce: yes, but not easily. man 5 apt_preferences
[03:42] <fatejudger> and I use Azureus
[03:42] <fatejudger> that's the only Java app I have on here
[03:42] <crimsun> fatejudger: no, it's not the only way. You could just install more RAM.
[03:43] <fatejudger> how does Azereus take up 200 mb of my swap?
[03:43] <strike4ce> crimsun: man 5 apt_preferences?
[03:43] <fatejudger> crimsun: I'm too cheap for that
[03:43] <fatejudger> lol
[03:43] <crimsun> Azureus doesn't, the JVM does.
[03:43] <fatejudger> ok, if you want to be technical, yes
[03:43] <fatejudger> but that's like saying that C++ doesn't use up heap in a "new" call, the operating system does
[03:43] <crimsun> There are also a variety of /proc knobs you can tweak.
[03:44] <strike4ce> I updated to kde3.5 can I reverse it?  If so, how?
[03:44] <fatejudger> all I want is to have all the memory I had back
[03:44] <crimsun> strike4ce: pin everything to 3.4.3 and dist-upgrade
[03:44] <fatejudger> the same amount I had BEFORE I started Azureus
[03:44] <strike4ce> crimsun: how do i do that?
[03:44] <crimsun> fatejudger: you can't; that memory (pages are) is "dirty"
[03:44] <fatejudger> crimsun: dirty?
[03:45] <crimsun> fatejudger: it's already been used. You have to force the OS to flush it.
[03:45] <fatejudger> what about my other RAM?
[03:45] <crimsun> fatejudger: what about it?
[03:45] <fatejudger> crimsun: how do I get the rest of that back
[03:46] <crimsun> kill any java processes still running, log out of KDE, swapoff -a && swapon -a, and log back in
[03:46] <fatejudger> crimsun: and why do I have to shut down and restart the swap outside of KDE?
[03:46] <fatejudger> why can't I just do it in the Konsole?
[03:47] <crimsun> fatejudger: you can, but you have quite a few additional KDE processes running then
[03:47] <crimsun> you could even stop kdm, then swapoff -a && swapon -a
[03:48] <fatejudger> whenever I use startx it never runs X correctly
[03:49] <fatejudger> at least that's how it was in Hoary
[03:49] <crimsun> you don't need to use startx
[03:49] <fatejudger> I always ended up rebooting
[03:49] <fatejudger> what do I use then?
[03:49] <crimsun> just stop kdm, swapoff -a && swapon -a, restart kdm, and log back in
[03:49] <fatejudger> ok, brb then
[03:51] <Ravensky> patrick!
[03:52] <Ravensky> oh em gee!
[03:52] <_patrick> tom!
[03:52] <Ravensky> heh
[03:52] <Ravensky> alrighty
[03:52] <_patrick> whats this for
[03:52] <Ravensky> anyway, keep konversation open and ask your questions here
[03:52] <Ravensky> people will answer
[03:52] <_patrick> i see
[03:53] <Ravensky> probably change your nickname too by using the /nick command
[03:53] <freelove> thanks
[03:53] <Ravensky> freelove, eh? :P
[03:54] <freelove> no
[03:54] <freelove> yes
[03:54] <freelove> can you only change it once
[03:55] <Ravensky> patrick, just ask your question
[03:55] <workingmans> i see
[03:55] <workingmans> alright
[03:55] <Ravensky> so I dont have to go answering them all for you :P
[03:55] <workingmansdead> yes but they arnt that hard, are they
[03:55] <fatejudger> ok, the swapoff swapon thing didn't work
[03:55] <Ravensky> I should never of said that you can change your name :P
[03:56] <fatejudger> and now I can't start kdm back up
[03:56] <crimsun> fatejudger: it won't if you don't have enough free pages
[03:56] <fatejudger> crimson: that isn't it, I just don't know how to start it
[03:56] <crimsun> fatejudger: start what?
[03:56] <Ravensky> workingmansdead needs an audio converter that can convert shn to mp3
[03:56] <fatejudger> crimson: kdm
[03:56] <Ravensky> or probably something that can just play shn
[03:56] <crimsun> Ravensky: etree.org
[03:57] <crimsun> keep in mind that shntool is in universe
[03:57] <Ravensky> workingmansdead, go into adept and install shntool :P
[03:57] <fatejudger> crimsun: so why isn't the swapoff thing working?
[03:57] <workingmansdead> alright, thanks man
[03:58] <crimsun> fatejudger: you don't know how to start kdm?
[03:58] <crimsun> fatejudger: how did you stop kdm?
[03:58] <fatejudger> crimsun: logout -> end session -> menu -> log in using cli
[03:58] <Ravensky> workingmansdead, patrick, as I said, just keep konversation open (or remember how to connect to here) and ask your questions here because they know more about kubuntu than I do
[03:59] <strannik> can konversation work with a proxy?
[03:59] <workingmansdead> alright man, thanks
[03:59] <workingmansdead> whys your text red?
[03:59] <Ravensky> because I said your name
[03:59] <workingmansdead> so it only goes to me?
[03:59] <Ravensky> it highlights the message in red if someone says your name
[03:59] <Ravensky> no
[03:59] <workingmansdead> or is it red for the hell of it
[03:59] <crimsun> fatejudger: no, the correct way is to switch to a virtual term (ctrl+alt+F1, for instance), log in, sudo invoke-rc.d kdm stop && sudo swapoff -a && sudo swapon -a && sudo invoke-rc.d kdm restart && logout
[04:00] <fatejudger> crimsun: I'm using the virtual terminal right now to talk in bitchx
[04:00] <workingmansdead> ravensky how bout a FLAC converter, FLACtool?
[04:00] <fatejudger> crimsun: but why can't I stop KDM using the way I did it?
[04:01] <crimsun> workingmansdead: a.k.a. flac?
[04:01] <crimsun> fatejudger: you didn't stop kdm, you logged out. Vast difference.
[04:01] <workingmansdead> crimsun yes
[04:01] <crimsun> workingmansdead: so why not use /usr/bin/flac?
[04:02] <Ravensky> workingmansdead, you installed the package called "flac", right?
[04:02] <workingmansdead> crimsun: im not aware of that, im new to Kubuntu
[04:02] <Ravensky> ( workingmansdead is new to Linux itself )
[04:02] <workingmansdead> thanks
[04:03] <fatejudger> crimsun: it says that the "swapoff" operation isn't permitted
[04:03] <Ravensky> I essentially dumped him into a new OS and told him some really simple basics
[04:03] <Ravensky> about a week or so ago
[04:03] <Ravensky> maybe 2?
[04:03] <crimsun> fatejudger: did you use the precise syntax I gave you?
[04:03] <workingmansdead> and ive been on my own since
[04:03] <fatejudger> crimsun: sudo swapoff -a && swapon -a
[04:03] <fatejudger> oh wait
[04:03] <Ravensky> well, all you really need is firefox, gaim, and other stuff
[04:04] <fatejudger> I didn't have the second "sudo"
[04:04] <Ravensky> fatejudger, what are you trying to do?
[04:04] <Ravensky> clear swap?
[04:04] <fatejudger> Ravensky: yeah, just did it
[04:04] <Ravensky> ah
[04:04] <fatejudger> brb
[04:05] <workingmansdead> Ravensky: so how would i go about converting something from SHN to mp3?
[04:05] <Ravensky> workingmansdead, just ask the channel, not me specifically
[04:05] <workingmansdead> alright
[04:05] <fatejudger> so what's up with Breezy Backports not working?
[04:05] <Ravensky> you should probably join #ubuntu also, workingmansdead 
[04:06] <Ravensky> more people to help you there
[04:06] <workingmansdead> how would i go about doing the actuall conversion from SHN to mp3 with the SHN tool?
[04:06] <Ravensky> patrick, join #ubuntu
[04:07] <workingmansdead> ravensky  alright
[04:07] <fatejudger> does anyone here use Breezy Backports?
[04:07] <crimsun> there are no breezy backports yet.
[04:07] <meji> what are backports?
[04:08] <fatejudger> crimsun: oh, I see
[04:08] <fatejudger> crimsun: that would be why it couldn't stat
[04:10] <meji> can someone explain what are backports ?
[04:14] <fatejudger> meji: they're packages that are new for the next version of Kubuntu
[04:15] <fatejudger> meji: but are ported back to the stable version
[04:15] <fatejudger> right?
[04:15] <fatejudger> so it would be packages for Dapper converted to Breezy packages
[04:20] <meji> ok
[04:20] <meji> thanks
[04:40] <jbasilio> anyone having issues with artsd in kde 3.5 beta2?  beta1 was working fine .. beta2 won't start arts
[04:40] <Hobbsee> jbasilio: yep
[04:40] <Hobbsee> solution is to kill off the process using arts
[04:40] <jbasilio> good i guess.  i'm not the only one
[04:40] <Hobbsee> try knotfiy
[04:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, heaps of people ahve it 
[04:41] <Hobbsee> there's the wiki that you can update with problems
[04:41] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[04:41] <Hobbsee> with any other problems you find not already listed there :)
[04:42] <jbasilio> awesome.  thanks.  bookmarked
[04:42] <Hobbsee> no problems
[04:45] <jbasilio> desktop seems to crash when i click on it too .. overall my first impressions of beta2 are that it sucks crap.  :)
[04:46] <Hobbsee> hehe...certainly seems to be more unstable than beta1
[04:46] <Hobbsee> check the wiki to see if someone's already said it
[04:47] <narg> hrm... beta2 seem just fine for me
[04:47] <narg> havnt had any problems
[04:47] <narg> other than possibly that konq should be multithreaded so media can crash it...
[04:47] <jbasilio> wow.  amazing there could be such drastic differences .. i'm running pretty stock too
[04:48] <Hobbsee> jbasilio: add it to the list, assuming it can be reproduced
[04:48] <jbasilio> if you mouse over any desktop icon, does your background go black and then redraw?
[04:53] <jesusfish> is there a way to have css styles dropdown in Quanta+ ?
[04:58] <snugglemonkey> anyone know where I can find freenx in apt?   I'm using adept, and it isn't finding it for some reason.  I have all of the repositories on...
[04:58] <kevman> freenx - The FreeNX application/thin-client server based on NX technology
[04:59] <kevman> sudo apt-get install freenx
[04:59] <snugglemonkey> kevman: which mirror?
[04:59] <snugglemonkey> adept shoudl find this...
[04:59] <kevman> I don't know how to tell.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> !info freenx
[05:00] <kevman> 0.3.1-2~5.04ubp1(/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_ubuntu-backports_dists_hoary-extras_main_binary-i386_Packages
[05:00] <kevman> Extras...
[05:01] <kevman> Hoary? 0_o
[05:01] <snugglemonkey> hm...
[05:01] <snugglemonkey> well, I am now finding that some of the mirrors are down....  _again_... 
[05:01] <snugglemonkey> lol
[05:02] <kevman> Hm. I can get it.
[05:03] <snugglemonkey> No hoary here... lol
[05:10] <orugo> hey all
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hi
[05:11] <orugo> hey
[05:11] <orugo> how can i use FIXEDSYS font
[05:12] <orugo> in aMSN
[05:12] <orugo> i mean i always used that font
[05:12] <orugo> and now in linux i cant :(
[05:15] <Hobbsee> orugo: not sure what FIXEDSYS is - would it be part of msttcorefonts?
[05:20] <kkathman> Hey there Hobbsee :)
[05:21] <Hobbsee> hey kkathman :D
[05:21] <kkathman> How are things tonight?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> kkathman: just did my last ever english exam...so let those notes and syllabus BURN!
[05:22] <orugo> msttcorefonts maybe
[05:22] <orugo> is a winshit font
[05:22] <kkathman> Hobbsee: congratulations!!
[05:22] <Hobbsee> !msttcorefonts
[05:22] <ubotu> methinks msttcorefonts is methinks msttcorefonts is sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first
[05:22] <Hobbsee> kkathman: :D ty
[05:24] <kkathman> Hobbsee: found a little buggie that cropped up with the kdebase update today :(
[05:24] <Hobbsee> kkathman: which was that for?  as in, which kde?
[05:25] <kkathman> Hobbsee: apparently something in the update disabled automatic refresh of samba shares
[05:25] <Hobbsee> kkathman: ^ ^ - which kde was this?  i cant remember?
[05:26] <kkathman> Hobbsee: I was deleting some files on my win box this morning, then went over to the linux box and I happened to pull that share up and the files were still there
[05:26] <Hobbsee> ah...that's not godo
[05:26] <Hobbsee> *good
[05:26] <Hobbsee> file a bug for it?
[05:26] <kkathman> Hobbsee: the kdebase...there was an adept update today
[05:26] <kkathman> Hobbsee: yep i submitted a bug almost immediately...seems there's something adverse going on with /media
[05:27] <kkathman> alot of people are finding problems
[05:27] <Hobbsee> um...didnt get an adept update, but i'm on beta1 here...
[05:27] <Hobbsee> yeah, /media and media:// was stuffed, i recall with 3.4.3
[05:27] <kkathman> well it was working fine yesterday...but not after I did the update
[05:28] <Hobbsee> :(
[05:28] <kkathman> its not a big problem for me, I just do the F5 and refresh right after I pull up the share
[05:28] <kkathman> but its a symptom of a bigger prob I think
[05:29] <Hobbsee> eek...*remembers f5 for future reference&
[05:29] <kkathman> yah someone told me about that today...I should have looked at the shortcuts
[05:30] <kkathman> there are shortcuts in almost every KDE app...
[05:31] <Hobbsee> true
[05:31] <Hobbsee> now...what was i going to install, i wonder?
[05:31] <kkathman> so you are on the 3.5 beta 1 ??
[05:32] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:32] <kkathman> I'd sure stay away from that beta2...they should have never released that
[05:32] <Hobbsee> did have beta 2 on here, had so many problems
[05:32] <Hobbsee> reinstalled agian...
[05:32] <Hobbsee> good thing i can do it without thinking by now
[05:32] <kkathman> haha
[05:33] <Hobbsee> tried to just axe kde...it wouldnt work
[05:33] <kkathman> I think I'll wait till its in final :)
[05:33] <Hobbsee> figured it was getting quicker to just reinstall, seeing as /home is on a sep partition
[05:33] <Hobbsee> lol...beta1 is nice
[05:33] <kkathman> I have been playing with the Koffice Suite...and for the most part its pretty impressive
[05:33] <Hobbsee> i go back to 3.4.3 only, and try and drag the windows around...what's this???  oh yeah, on the old version lol
[05:33] <Hobbsee> ooh i've been meaning to try that
[05:33] <Hobbsee> how is it compared to openoffice.org2?
[05:34] <kkathman> Hobbsee: well, its similar, but Koffice seems, to me, to be a bit friendlier and more robust
[05:34] <kkathman> Krita is nice also
[05:34] <orugo> hey
[05:34] <Hobbsee> guess there's no harm in trying it lol
[05:34] <kkathman> you should!
[05:34] <Hobbsee> yeah, got krita
[05:34] <kkathman> hi orugo 
[05:34] <orugo> the transparecy of the windows in kubunto doesnt work
[05:35] <Hobbsee> you got 1.4.2, i presume?
[05:35] <orugo> hi kkathman 
[05:35] <Hobbsee> which windos?
[05:35] <kkathman> orugo:  ??
[05:35] <orugo> is a kde option
[05:35] <orugo> :(
[05:35] <nicholaspaul> Anyone know how to share a connection over ethernet? I'm connected to the router (wifi) but want to share the connection via the ethernet card... anyone??
[05:35] <orugo> a "new" option
[05:35] <kkathman> I have a Konsole thats completely transparent
[05:35] <orugo> but it doesnt work 
[05:35] <orugo> well
[05:35] <kkathman> orugo: tell me what you are doing and I'll try the same thing here
[05:35] <orugo> but i think that is possible to have "all" the windows
[05:36] <orugo> okei
[05:36] <orugo> in preferences
[05:36] <orugo> control center
[05:36] <kkathman> System Settings?
[05:36] <orugo> no
[05:36] <orugo> preferences
[05:36] <kkathman> preferences where?
[05:36] <orugo> well
[05:36] <orugo> maybe yes
[05:36] <orugo> i added "preferences" in my kde menu
[05:36] <orugo> it was in the task bar
[05:37] <orugo> anyway
[05:37] <orugo> i think that in desktop properties
[05:37] <orugo> you can go there
[05:37] <kkathman> hmmm..are you on breezy?
[05:37] <orugo> oh
[05:37] <orugo> no you cant :(
[05:37] <orugo> right
[05:37] <kkathman> ??
[05:37] <kinfo> what?
[05:37] <nicholaspaul> anyone know how to share connections?
[05:37] <orugo> its in preferencs :(
[05:37] <kkathman> orugo: Im a bit lost now
[05:38] <orugo> system settings is a different thing
[05:38] <orugo> oh
[05:38] <orugo> you can do it from system settings
[05:38] <orugo> system settings
[05:38] <kkathman> orugo: ok tell me where you are going to get to these "preferences"
[05:38] <orugo> desktop
[05:38] <orugo> go there
[05:38] <kkathman> on the desktop?
[05:38] <orugo> (i added the "preferences" links in the kde)
[05:38] <orugo> no
[05:38] <orugo> in the system settings
[05:39] <orugo> enter to "desktop"
[05:39] <kkathman> ok Im there
[05:39] <kkathman> now what?
[05:39] <satafterh> so how buggy is kde beta 2?
[05:39] <orugo> then go to windows behaviour
[05:39] <orugo> or something
[05:39] <orugo> (i have kde in spanish)
[05:39] <kkathman> ok
[05:39] <nicholaspaul> anyone know how to share connections?
[05:39] <orugo> then go to translucency :P
[05:39] <kkathman> right
[05:39] <nicholaspaul> i have a machine connected and want to share that with another... anyone?
[05:40] <kkathman> nicholaspaul: be patient :)
[05:40] <orugo> i know to do that.. but in win xp :(
[05:40] <kkathman> orugo: so you clicked the box
[05:40] <nicholaspaul> hi kkathman. 
[05:40] <Hobbsee> satafterh: unfortunately, very
[05:40] <nicholaspaul> ;)
[05:40] <orugo> right
[05:40] <orugo> and nothing happens :(
[05:40] <orugo> i want to have transparances
[05:40] <orugo> haah
[05:40] <orugo> like my kde menu
[05:40] <orugo> and my task bar
[05:41] <kkathman> do you get the warning message orugo?
[05:41] <Pupeno> Does anybody know of a program that can automatically rename jpgs to its exif date ?
[05:41] <orugo> yes
[05:41] <kkathman> ok
[05:41] <satafterh> #Hobbsee- i have beta 1, its a little buggy but not that bad, think ill stick with it for now
[05:42] <kkathman> orugo: its a new feature...and I dont use it personally cuz I like stability :)
[05:42] <Hobbsee> satafterh: beta1 seems stable for most people, beta 2 is completely the opposite
[05:42] <orugo> right
[05:42] <orugo> but
[05:42] <orugo> it doesnt works
[05:42] <orugo> i just wanted to try it
[05:42] <orugo> haha
[05:42] <Hobbsee> satafterh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems for more info
[05:42] <orugo> hey
[05:42] <kkathman> ok nicholaspaul whats with your network issues?
[05:43] <orugo> you just have to use kde stable version :P
[05:43] <orugo> it rulez
[05:43] <orugo> hey
[05:43] <Hobbsee> orugo: nah...but it doesnt have some of the later functionality
[05:43] <satafterh> #Hobbsee- readit, just wanted to see what people here thought
[05:43] <orugo> like what
[05:43] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[05:43] <orugo> (i didnt try the beta :P)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> dragging windows around from desktop to desktop...so the virtual desktops have gotten more efficient
[05:43] <Hobbsee> that's the thing i mostly notice
[05:44] <orugo> i dont use virtual desktops :P
[05:44] <Hobbsee> i recall that the media:/ thing works
[05:44] <Hobbsee> bah...how do you possibly cope lol?
[05:44] <orugo> hey
[05:44] <orugo> does anybody now a gmail notifier for linux'
[05:44] <orugo> my KCHECKMAIL doesnt works :(
[05:44] <orugo> dunno wy
[05:45] <Hobbsee> there's a howto for it on ubuntuforums.com i recall
[05:45] <Hobbsee> not sure if it's gnome or kde section
[05:46] <dreamwave> hello.  are there packages available for koffice 1.4.2?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> !kubuntu
[05:46] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[05:46] <Hobbsee> see the first link on that
[05:46] <Hobbsee> dreamwave: yes there are
[05:46] <dreamwave> ah ha!  where?
[05:46] <orugo> !gmail
[05:46] <ubotu> Not a clue, orugo
[05:46] <Hobbsee> http://kubuntu.org/ 
[05:46] <dreamwave> okay.. clicking...
[05:47] <Hobbsee> !tell orugo about ubuntuforums
[05:47] <orugo> haha
[05:47] <dreamwave> Hobbsee: cool.  thanks.
[05:47] <orugo> ubotu tell orugo about ubuntuforums
[05:47] <Hobbsee> dreamwave: no problems
[05:47] <orugo> thats the way :P
[05:47] <Hobbsee> it doesnt know what it is
[05:47] <Hobbsee> and either works
[05:48] <Hobbsee> ubuntuforums.org
[05:48] <satafterh> k you-bun-two 
[05:48] <Hobbsee> go search for gmail notifier
[05:48] <orugo> okei
[05:48] <orugo> ill do that
[05:48] <orugo> tks :P
[05:48] <satafterh> k you-bun-two is for the lay person
[05:49] <satafterh> lol
[05:51] <satafterh> now i am the lay person who has a question for an exspert, i have kubuntu dvd, it i boor up off it and reeinstall it will i loose everything i have or will everthing just go back to default, like kde 3.4.3
[05:51] <satafterh> if i boot
[05:52] <nicholaspaul> hi kkathman. 
[05:53] <nicholaspaul> kkathamn: i have a wifi card, and an ethernet card and want to plug my laptop into the e.card . How can i share the internet connection? I'm sure theres a setting somewhere. 
[05:53] <kkathman> nicholaspaul: do you have samba installed?
[05:53] <nicholaspaul> kkathamn- yes
[05:54] <nicholaspaul> kkathman - yes
[05:54] <kkathman> so you have a laptop with a wifi and an internet connection?
[05:55] <nicholaspaul> nope, a desktop . it has wifi (that connects to the router )and an ethernet card. 
[05:55] <nicholaspaul> I want to plug a laptop into the ethernet. 
[05:56] <kkathman> nicholaspaul: well you cannot have the wifi and internet active at the same time on the same machine
[05:57] <nicholaspaul> i have both cards 'activated', kkathman, under Network Settings
[05:58] <kkathman> nicholaspaul: which one do you have linux on??
[05:58] <kkathman> the desktop or the laptop
[05:58] <nicholaspaul> both. 
[05:58] <kkathman> ok
[05:58] <kkathman> and the desktop has wifi connection to the router
[05:58] <nicholaspaul> yes
[05:59] <kkathman> and you want to plug the laptop hard cable to the router or hub?
[05:59] <nicholaspaul> to the desktop
[05:59] <nicholaspaul> to the router works, no problem. .
[06:00] <kkathman> you want to plug your laptop to the desktop?
[06:02] <nicholas_paul> yes, kkathman
[06:02] <nicholas_paul> (nicholaspaul and nicholas_paul are the same:) )
[06:03] <kkathman> no you dont want to do that...there's no reason
[06:04] <kkathman> just hook them both to the router
[06:04] <kkathman> you can share across the network like I do
[06:04] <nicholas_paul> there is a reason. The router is 20ft away, i dont have cables , and ubuntu ppc wifi doesnt exist. 
[06:05] <nicholas_paul> ok, i dont have 20' cables....
[06:06] <kkathman> well plugging a laptop to your desktop ... I'd never do that...and wouldnt even know what to tell you :)
[06:07] <nicholas_paul> you wouldnt do it? 
[06:08] <kkathman> never
[06:08] <nicholas_paul> ok. So can you recommend a wifi card for Ubuntu ppc?
[06:10] <kkathman> nicholaspaul: Im sure you can Google for that info, I dont know one off the top of my head 
[06:10] <nicholas_paul> how about an ndiswrapper for ppc?
[06:11] <kkathman> yes I think thats available
[06:12] <nicholas_paul> i see. 
[06:12] <nicholas_paul> But I shouldn't plug a laptop into a desktop?
[06:12] <runelind> is it just me, or does cifs mounting not work very well in breezy?
[06:13] <runelind> it worked fine in hoary, but now I keep getting cut off when I watch videos
[06:14] <kkathman> nicholaspaul: no you shouldnt
[06:14] <nicholas_paul> ok. Thank you 
[06:16] <gerardocb> Hi
[06:16] <gerardocb> Anybody alive?
[06:18] <kkathman> hello gerardocb  :)
[06:19] <gerardocb> Hi
[06:19] <gerardocb> Have a KDE related question... Tried on #kde but didn't get any response
[06:19] <gerardocb> Actually I'm using kubuntu
[06:20] <kkathman> well ask it and we'll try to help
[06:20] <gerardocb> I configured KDE for openning some windows on specific desktops
[06:20] <gerardocb> It works fine
[06:20] <kkathman> ok
[06:21] <gerardocb> But whenever an application opens a new windows, KDE switches from my current desktop to the desktop the window must be opened
[06:21] <gerardocb> (wow... my english is really baaaad)
[06:21] <gerardocb> Is there a way so I can avoid that?
[06:22] <gerardocb> U know... If i'm coding in desktop 1 and kopete opens a windows because somebody writes me, desktop is switched...
[06:22] <gerardocb> It's very annoying...
[06:23] <kkathman> gerardocb: yeah thats the way it is
[06:23] <gerardocb> Uh?
[06:23] <kkathman> by setting apps to run on a particular desktop, it will always switch to that desktop
[06:23] <gerardocb> I don't want the desktop be switched...
[06:23] <gerardocb> Isn't there a way to avoid that?
[06:24] <kkathman> well there are a couple of things I guess.
[06:24] <gerardocb> yes?
[06:24] <kkathman> What I do, is that I dont set an application to be associated with a desktop
[06:24] <kkathman> I open it in a desktop if I want, and leave it there
[06:25] <kkathman> but normally, thats the default behaviour
[06:25] <kkathman> an app will always run in the desktop it was opened in
[06:25] <gerardocb> Ummmm...
[06:25] <kkathman> so, if you have kopete or Gaim
[06:26] <kkathman> just open it in the same desktop you are coding in and minimize it
[06:26] <kkathman> only run static programs in fixed desktops
[06:26] <kkathman> like a browser for instance or Kontakt
[06:27] <kkathman> but not an instant messenger
[06:27] <gerardocb> And then, when somebody writes me, the window will appear in the same desktop, true?
[06:27] <Schiffb> Hey all, I have a fresh installation of kubuntu now, and plan on writing some LaTeX.. now what I'd like is to use "Kile", and I noticed that it used the Kate editor.. what's the correct way to install Kile for me now that I already have kate?
[06:29] <nicholas_paul> kkathman, ever hear of firestarter?
[06:30] <gerardocb> I use it on my home
[06:30] <regeya> nicholas_paul: prodigy sucks
[06:30] <poimen> hi
[06:30] <nicholas_paul> I dont have any of their albums, regeya
[06:30] <nicholas_paul> heheh!
[06:31] <nicholas_paul> and you're right. 
[06:31] <regeya> nicholas_paul: I've heard of it.  It's a GNOME-based firewall rules builder.  if you're looking for a very basic hands-off firewall-building gui, it's ok.
[06:32] <poimen> hello : how can I install a deb package?
[06:32] <nicholas_paul> ok thx regeya
[06:32] <gerardocb> poimem, dpkg -i package_filename
[06:32] <poimen> as root right?
[06:32] <gerardocb> right
[06:33] <gerardocb> sudo dpkg -i package_filename, the ubuntu way :-D
[06:33] <poimen> na I did susdo passwd install
[06:33] <poimen> I am configured the old same way but new to debian related stuff :)
[06:34] <gerardocb> hahahaha
[06:35] <gerardocb> sudo works fine...
[06:35] <ecobuntu> hi kubuntuers
[06:35] <kkathman> hey ecobuntu  :)
[06:35] <gerardocb> hi ecobuntu
[06:36] <poimen> someone got skype working here
[06:36] <poimen> ??
[06:36] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[06:36] <poimen> in kubuntu breezy?
[06:36] <poimen> skype depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3.2); however:
[06:36] <poimen>   Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed.
[06:36] <ecobuntu> what is skype?
[06:37] <poimen> and in kubuntu it is libqt3-mt :(
[06:37] <poimen> skype.com
[06:37] <poimen> it is a very cool Voice over Ip program
[06:38] <gerardocb> poimen, I do
[06:38] <gerardocb> Download the rpm package for mandrake
[06:38] <gerardocb> alien skype-blah-blah.rpm
[06:38] <gerardocb> And then install the generated deb package
[06:38] <kkathman> skype is like a instant messenger on steroids that has voice with it
[06:39] <DigitalHobbit> i just joined the chat to find out about installing skype on kubuntu. funny. :)
[06:39] <kkathman> was recently bought by Microsoft I think...or someone I forget
[06:39] <DigitalHobbit> ebay, i think
[06:39] <kkathman> yah ebay thats it
[06:39] <gerardocb> kkarthman, u kidding, right???
[06:39] <gerardocb> oh
[06:39] <gerardocb> ebay
[06:39] <kkathman> one of those monopolies :)
[06:39] <gerardocb> that's ok
[06:39] <kkathman> no Im not kidding
[06:40] <gerardocb> Well... ebay is fine
[06:40] <poimen> ok thabkx gerardocb thankx
[06:40] <gerardocb> Microsoft isn't!
[06:40] <kkathman> LOL ebay is fine :)
[06:40] <kkathman> haha
[06:40] <DigitalHobbit> does anybody know the best way (if any) to install skype on amd64?
[06:40] <gerardocb> poimen, did it work?
[06:40] <regeya> upgrades are fun.
[06:40] <gerardocb> kkathman, well... compare... :)
[06:40] <poimen> downloading the package right now
[06:40] <poimen> 1:30 min remaning
[06:40] <gerardocb> ok
[06:40] <kkathman> like I said...both very commercial and both VERY monopolistic
[06:40] <DigitalHobbit> i previously had this working on gentoo, but there doesn't seem to be an amd64 skype ubuntu package
[06:40] <gerardocb> wtf???
[06:41] <kkathman> if you dont think so...do the research :)
[06:41] <gerardocb> kkathman... hehehe
[06:41] <kkathman> and especially read about Meg Whittingham's venture into China with eBay
[06:41] <kkathman> and the tactics she pulled against Yahoo
[06:42] <kkathman> if you think Bill Gates is bad...he's wimp compared to mama W
[06:42] <gerardocb> But eBay doesn't make software, as Microsoft do... so... it's ok if they bought skype
[06:42] <gerardocb> mama W?
[06:42] <kkathman> gerardocb: ask your self....why would ebay buy a software company?
[06:42] <gerardocb> Make money?
[06:42] <gerardocb> well...
[06:43] <gerardocb> Make more money...
[06:43] <kkathman> and then do the research...its like...uhmm.. why has Google been hiring compiler experts when they are in the search engine biz?
[06:43] <gerardocb> 'cause the search engine has compiler theory behind? :-D
[06:43] <kkathman> gerardocb: when you play at that level its never about money...that just comes as a result of the #1 reason you have a business
[06:44] <gerardocb> ?
[06:44] <kkathman> to create a market
[06:44] <gerardocb> Oh
[06:44] <gerardocb> and... ?
[06:44] <kkathman> you create a market...the money follows
[06:44] <gerardocb> true...
[06:44] <kkathman> Peter Drucker 101
[06:44] <gerardocb> uh?
[06:45] <gerardocb> What's wrong about creating market?
[06:45] <kkathman> nothing...its the primary purpose of a business
[06:45] <poimen> well if someone want to add me in skype it is poimen7
[06:45] <poimen> well 
[06:46] <DigitalHobbit> nobody know about skype / amd64?
[06:46] <poimen> thakx gerardocb it worked now I have to do a very importand thing
[06:46] <poimen> play ut2004 :D
[06:46] <aliveuser> hi, i've just upgrate to breezy
[06:46] <poimen> bye
[06:46] <aliveuser> but i always have a cdrom icon in the desktop, with or without a cd
[06:46] <aliveuser> how can i solve it?
[06:46] <kkathman> DigitalHobbit: I dont know why once you have installed breezy or hoary, the skype package will just work once installed
[06:46] <gerardocb> aliveuser, kubuntu?
[06:47] <aliveuser> yes
[06:47] <DigitalHobbit> well, i can't find a skype package. i don't think one exists for amd64
[06:47] <DigitalHobbit> i already added the official skype repository, but that's only for i386
[06:48] <kkathman> aliveuser:  you can go to the System Settings, choose the desktop option and turn those off
[06:48] <gerardocb> aliveuser: right-click on the desktop, configure desktop, behavior, device icons, unmounted cdrom
[06:48] <kkathman> DigitalHobbit: I didnt know they made two different versions
[06:48] <DigitalHobbit> well, i guess the problem is they don't :)
[06:49] <kkathman> seems that if you write a program you write it to the kernel..and once the kernel is installed, apps should work
[06:49] <aliveuser> yes ive done that
[06:49] <aliveuser> but i uncheck the option
[06:49] <gerardocb> aliveuser, all of the options?
[06:49] <aliveuser> when i put a cd in the cdrom it doesn't show me the icon
[06:49] <aliveuser> all?
[06:49] <aliveuser> what do u mean?
[06:50] <gerardocb> all of the "unmounted" options
[06:50] <aliveuser> to uncheck them?
[06:51] <gerardocb> yes
[06:53] <aliveuser> if i uncheck them
[06:54] <aliveuser> it doesn't show the cdrom icon
[06:54] <aliveuser> with hoary, i didn't have the cdrom icon all the time
[06:54] <aliveuser> just when i put the cd into the cdrom
[06:54] <aliveuser> then i mount it
[06:54] <aliveuser> etc etc etc
[06:55] <aliveuser> do u get me?
[06:56] <gerardocb> sure
[06:56] <gerardocb> So...
[06:57] <gerardocb> Right now you don't have an icon, right?
[06:57] <aliveuser> yes
[06:57] <aliveuser> even i put a cd into the cdrom and nothing appears
[06:57] <gerardocb> Oh
[06:58] <aliveuser> i don't mount it
[06:58] <aliveuser> just put the cd into the cdrom
[07:00] <gerardocb> Go to settings:/Components/
[07:00] <gerardocb> Service Manager
[07:00] <gerardocb> Is KDED Media Manager enabled?
[07:01] <gerardocb> and running?
[07:01] <aliveuser> yes it's running
[07:01] <gerardocb> ummm
[07:02] <aliveuser> a question of another thing
[07:02] <aliveuser> i upgrate to breezy without being connected to the internet
[07:02] <aliveuser> that takes off a lot of packages an programs
[07:02] <aliveuser> but i have the sensation that kubuntu is too slow
[07:02] <aliveuser> i'm now upgrading some packages
[07:03] <aliveuser> but i don't know if its best to reinstall everything 
[07:03] <gerardocb> aliveuser: that takes off a lot of packages an programs   <---- that's normal when you upgrade from version to version
[07:03] <aliveuser> i mean
[07:03] <gerardocb> I think it's better (and quicker) to reinstall
[07:03] <aliveuser> reinstall the whole breezy release
[07:03] <gerardocb> If you have a different partition for /home, of course
[07:03] <aliveuser> k
[07:04] <aliveuser> if not, just copy the info?
[07:04] <aliveuser> thats all?
[07:04] <gerardocb> true
[07:04] <gerardocb> backup, and restore
[07:04] <aliveuser> tnks
[07:04] <gerardocb> I think it's better to make one partition for /home, still...
[07:04] <regeya> that 'reinstall for a new release' is a good reason to have /home on a separate partition, imho
[07:05] <orugo> hi
[07:05] <gerardocb> or 'reinstall for a new distro' :-D
[07:05] <raingrove> regeya,gerardocb, that's true, but...that's if you have plenty of freespace
[07:05] <orugo> hey i have problem with the repos
[07:05] <orugo> in the synaptic
[07:05] <gerardocb> hi, orugo
[07:06] <gerardocb> raingrove, what's the difference?
[07:06] <regeya> raingrove: that's...um...
[07:06] <raingrove> i mean like... i have only 10GB of space
[07:06] <raingrove> assigned for linux partition
[07:06] <regeya> I used to have a 90MB drive on a desktop workstation partitioned.
[07:06] <raingrove> haha.
[07:07] <raingrove> but i use x windows, play multimedia files and stuff:P
[07:07] <gerardocb> What's the problem?
[07:07] <regeya> 2-4G for /, everything else /home, mebbe.
[07:07] <gerardocb> There's no difference
[07:07] <gerardocb> You can make still a partition
[07:07] <gerardocb> hehehe
[07:07] <raingrove> u might not know how much each partition may require
[07:08] <regeya> yeah, and when you buy a drive, you might not know your true storage requirements.  let's give up and die.
[07:08] <gerardocb> What if u do require +10GB
[07:08] <gerardocb> ?
[07:08] <raingrove> i am sayin
[07:08] <raingrove> i only have 10 GB
[07:08] <raingrove> so i can't like afford to do 5GB 5GB
[07:08] <regeya> wow.  I didn't know that advocating a separate /home would make me the target of attack.
[07:08] <raingrove> did i attack you?
[07:08] <regeya> I don't currently have a separate /home.
[07:08] <gerardocb> I do
[07:08] <regeya> let's all be friends.
[07:09] <raingrove> i dont know why you get offended so easily man
[07:09] <regeya> gerardocb: but what if you need more space???!?
[07:09] <raingrove> exactly.
[07:09] <regeya> DEFEND YOURSELF!
[07:09] <gerardocb> hahahaha
[07:09] <gerardocb> What if you do require more than 10GB???
[07:10] <raingrove> didnt i say
[07:10] <raingrove> regeya,gerardocb, that's true, but...that's if you have plenty of freespace
[07:10] <gerardocb> Look...
[07:11] <gerardocb> Right now, in my new kubuntu box, I have 1.6GB allocated for all of the directories, but /home
[07:11] <raingrove> i see.
[07:11] <gerardocb> Ok
[07:11] <raingrove> i dont think 1.6gb is enough for me
[07:11] <gerardocb> What if I have a 10GB disk?
[07:11] <raingrove> for the rest.
[07:12] <aliveuser> another question, i've heard out there, that if u install ubuntu, and the kubuntu-desktop, it's better than installing kubuntu?
[07:12] <aliveuser> how much truth is that?
[07:12] <gerardocb> Well If i have a 10GB disk, I know I can't allocate more than 8.4 GB for all of my files, true?
[07:12] <raingrove> wait ur claim doesnt make sense
[07:12] <raingrove> u allocated 1.6 gb for /
[07:12] <raingrove> and the rest for /home?
[07:12] <gerardocb> It's an example
[07:13] <raingrove> yeap but then again u can
[07:13] <raingrove> u can't install more than 1.6 
[07:13] <gerardocb> True
[07:13] <raingrove> for /usr and stuff
[07:13] <raingrove> so there's the dilemma
[07:13] <gerardocb> So...
[07:13] <raingrove> if i had a 80gb partition or something. i could just dump like 40gb each and forget everything
[07:14] <kkathman> harddrives are cheap tho
[07:14] <raingrove> i have 80gb but
[07:14] <raingrove> 70gb are ntfs partitions
[07:14] <kkathman> I put my entire linux box together for around $350
[07:14] <gerardocb> Ah!
[07:14] <regeya> raingrobe: it's only a dilemma if you require more room later.  look, I don't understand why this is causing great stress for you, and maybe it's just because I spent way too many hours at the office, but shut up already. :-)
[07:14] <gerardocb> That's the problem!
[07:14] <regeya> raingrove: sorry. :-)  I didn't mean that, seriously.
[07:15] <kkathman> regeya!! Long time no see :)
[07:15] <raingrove> i wish i could have a separate partition for /home
[07:15] <regeya> raingrove: let's just say that for some people, a partitioning strategy such as 1GB for /, 4GB for /usr, 2GB for /var, and everything else for /home makes sense.
[07:16] <regeya> raingrove: and for others, it doesn't.
[07:16] <raingrove> my disk usage is quite unpredictable sadly,
[07:16] <root_> what the hell guys
[07:16] <regeya> raingrove: why?  do you store your porn in /var/tmp?
[07:16] <root_> i can't shutdown
[07:17] <kkathman> hey there root_ !
[07:17] <regeya> hi root.
[07:17] <root_> what's happening?
[07:17] <raingrove> i dont think ineed 2gb for /var 
[07:17] <root_> hi
[07:17] <regeya> root root root
[07:17] <gerardocb> Well, raingrove... if it isn't that predictable, I think it's not good to have 10GB only for Linux...
[07:17] <root_> mhh
[07:17] <root_> eheh
[07:17] <regeya> root: join #debian, they can tell you.
[07:17] <raingrove> gerardocb,  i am using a laptop man
[07:17] <root_> why can't you?
[07:17] <root_> i'm a ubuntu
[07:17] <raingrove> ntfs is taking70gb out of 80gb
[07:17] <root_> kubuntu user
[07:17] <root_> .. :P
[07:17] <raingrove> to maximise the use of HDD
[07:17] <raingrove> i am not partitioning my filesystem
[07:18] <gerardocb> Ok, raingrove
[07:18] <regeya> root_: because it'd be more entertaining to see them turn you into mincemeat.  plus you're a little vague.
[07:18] <gerardocb> The /home stuff isn't for you right now...
[07:18] <gerardocb> "The end"
[07:18] <gerardocb> :-D
[07:18] <root_> mhh
[07:18] <regeya> I earned a kickban in freenode's #debian once by changing my ident to 'toor'
[07:18] <raingrove> gerardocb , well if u had a 10gb partition how much would u assign for /home
[07:18] <root_> regeya: has never happen to you that once you send shutdown request it's not executed?
[07:19] <regeya> root_: not on a linux box.
[07:19] <root_> or better, it is ..... but it do nothing
[07:19] <raingrove> it happened to me
[07:19] <root_> regeya: i'm in a linux box
[07:19] <gerardocb> raingrove, at first, I wouldn't be expecting to install a lot of apps, besides the OS
[07:19] <regeya> root_: 
[07:19] <root_> god! i can see the shutdown process in the ps list
[07:19] <regeya> rofflecopters.
[07:19] <raingrove> root_ : just force shut down. it will make ur filesystem unclean though
[07:19] <root_> by now the procedure is in execution
[07:19] <root_> i can't too
[07:20] <root_> -f right?
[07:20] <raingrove> the power switch :P
[07:20] <root_> ah.. 
[07:20] <root_> :P
[07:20] <root_> yeah but i don't like it
[07:20] <root_> !!
[07:20] <ubotu> [!]  what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[07:20] <root_> ok..... why it happens!! uheee|!!
[07:21] <raingrove> ??
[07:21] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[07:21] <raingrove> he's a bot
[07:21] <gerardocb> Ctrl-Alt-powerbutton
[07:21] <raingrove> or rather.. It's a bot
[07:21] <root_> nothing.....
[07:21] <root_> it doesn't answer....
[07:21] <root_> uhee
[07:21] <aliveuser> is there a way to reconfigure all the system from zero? like said to kubuntu to analize all the hardware and reconfigure it?
[07:24] <aliveuser> is there a way to reconfigure all the system from zero? like said to kubuntu to analize all the hardware and reconfigure it?
[07:26] <root_> shit
[07:26] <root_> merdacciao
[07:26] <root_> what i could do
[07:27] <root_> i don't like to press the shutdown button
[07:27] <root_> this is supposed to be a linux system.. no ********** meaningless problems
[07:28] <root_> who wanna see the nice screenshot? with 4 shutdown processes?
[07:29] <nutate> root_ what's the issue?
[07:29] <root_> i tried to shutdown
[07:29] <root_> and the system is still active
[07:29] <root_> even opening a new shell and launching the shutdown the system doesnt'
[07:29] <gerardocb> root_, it may be because a module that doesn't want to quit
[07:29] <raingrove> linux is not so good like what you think:P
[07:30] <propagandhi> raingrove: thats a bold statement
[07:30] <nutate> root_: did you try shutdown -h now?
[07:30] <root_> ues
[07:30] <root_> yes
[07:30] <root_> it seems that there's a umount process that is locked
[07:30] <nutate> ah
[07:31] <root_> it's a standard user process and i can't terminate it using root
[07:31] <nutate> root_: root can terminate any users process, but sometimes mount can be tricky
[07:32] <root_> yes,.. i see
[07:32] <root_> but it was an unmounting of a ipod i think (only thing mountable as user)
[07:32] <root_> ..and now it is unconnected
[07:32] <nutate> but the umount is zombied?
[07:33] <root_> i don't know
[07:33] <satafterh> any one found a work around for sound issue in kde beta 2
[07:33] <root_> the last time that i heard zombied was in the operative system class
[07:34] <root_> isn't there a forced kill?
[07:34] <nutate> /usr/bin/killall -USR1 automount
[07:34] <root_> usr is the user?
[07:34] <nutate> that may do the trick, but I'm just googling
[07:34] <nutate> usr is a directory, which oddly doesn't stand for usr
[07:34] <nutate> err user
[07:35] <nutate> that's just the full path to the command
[07:35] <nutate> but everyone i know pronounces usr user even though it originally stood for unix system resources or some such
[07:35] <root_> really?
[07:35] <root_> i didn't know that
[07:35] <root_> nice
[07:36] <root_> anyway nothing
[07:36] <elementarmy> can someone help with compiling
[07:36] <nutate> umount -l may help
[07:36] <gerardocb> -USR1 on kill is a signal
[07:36] <elementarmy> ?
[07:37] <nutate> umount -l being lasy umount
[07:37] <gerardocb> elementarmy, what's the problem?
[07:37] <nutate> gerardocb: indeed
[07:37] <elementarmy> the program will compile but when i run make i get alot of errors
[07:37] <gerardocb> But, you could kill the user, if you want to... :-D
[07:38] <gerardocb> Ummm
[07:38] <gerardocb> So it doesn't compile...
[07:38] <gerardocb> make = compile
[07:38] <elementarmy> i compiles and tells me to run make
[07:38] <gerardocb> May be you need some libraries...
[07:38] <elementarmy> *it
[07:38] <gerardocb> You do configure...
[07:38] <elementarmy> yes
[07:39] <elementarmy> and thats it 
[07:39] <root_> ?
[07:39] <gerardocb> configure is not the same as compile
[07:39] <root_> nutate: what?
[07:39] <gerardocb> So...
[07:39] <gerardocb> Ummm...
[07:39] <root_> umount -l ?
[07:39] <elementarmy> my bad (newb)
[07:39] <gerardocb> What errors do u have?
[07:39] <elementarmy> hold on one sec
[07:39] <nutate> root_: umount -l /whatever/your/trying/to/unmount
[07:40] <dreamwave> is there a repository with the latest k3b?
[07:41] <elementarmy> it says kdecoration is not declared then gives me three more error1 then an [all]  error2
[07:41] <root_> nutate: i don't know what i'm trying to unmount
[07:41] <root_> there's nothing else that the root in the mtab now
[07:42] <elementarmy> crystalclient.moc: In member function 'virtual void* CrystalClient::qt_cast(const char*)':
[07:42] <elementarmy> that sould help maybe:-)
[07:43] <gerardocb> Well... may be that source code is not "compilable" (compilable???) under kubuntu...
[07:44] <gerardocb> What package is it?
[07:44] <elementarmy> crystal-0.9.5 its a visual thing from kde-look.org
[07:44] <helpme> man clicking on home takes 30sec for it to load!!........why is kubuntu so slow? do u guys have same?
[07:45] <helpme> nautilus opens in a flash under kde!
[07:46] <gerardocb> elementarmy: I'm afraight I can't help you more...
[07:46] <elementarmy> that cool thanks alot for your time:-)
[07:46] <helpme> elementarmy: is it an icon theme? then its simple to install it..........
[07:46] <elementarmy> no it makes every thing transparent
[07:47] <elementarmy> i mean every thing!! you sould go look at it on kde-look.org
[07:47] <helpme> try this...select the file u downloaded from kcontrol and see.........
[07:48] <helpme> gimme the link.....
[07:50] <elementarmy> well see ya (thanks again) iam in serach for some more stuff
[07:53] <helpme> man clicking on home takes 30sec for it to load!!........why is kubuntu so slow? do u guys have same?
[07:54] <Schiffb> Hey folks .. I'm trying to install something here (./configure script) and get the following error: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[07:54] <Schiffb> how can I fix this problem?
[07:54] <chavo> helpme, it loads in about 1 second for me
[07:55] <chavo> Schiffb, install x11proto-core-dev 
[07:55] <helpme> chavo: whats ur RAM?
[07:55] <chavo> 1 gig of ram
[07:55] <Schiffb> thanks chavo I will try that!
[07:55] <shale> when i apt-get kubuntu-desktop it asks if i want to use kdm or gdm... does it matter?
[07:56] <chavo> shale, doesn't really matter, you can try both
[07:56] <Schiffb> chavo: x11proto-core-dev is already the newest version.
[07:56] <helpme> chavo: whoa! thats why! ive got 256MB:(
[07:56] <shale> thx chavo... how do i switch?
[07:57] <gerardocb> shale, it's only that when you are inside KDE you can't shutdown the machine through the icon
[07:57] <gerardocb> For have that working you must select kdm
[07:58] <chavo> Schiffb, try libx11-dev, it's one of the xorg development files
[07:58] <chavo> helpme, even with 256 it shouldnt take that long
[07:58] <chavo> is something hogging the cpu?
[07:58] <Schiffb> chavo:  I have already tried that one :\
[07:58] <helpme> nope...even on bare desktop it takes same......
[07:59] <helpme> nautilus opens in a flash! coooooool!
[07:59] <chavo> Schiffb, hmm, I just installed it the other day and I can't remember which package it is
[07:59] <Schiffb> chavo:  I have a fresh installation btw .. 1 hour old and hardly done anything
[07:59] <shale> ok that was easy
[07:59] <shale> now i'm in kde i guess :)
[08:00] <chavo> Schiffb, I think it's this one x-window-system-dev
[08:02] <shale> so i can see that its different... but what is better? :)
[08:03] <shale> more applets?
[08:04] <Schiffb> bah, now I can't fetch updates with Adept
[08:05] <shale> how do i adjust the default font size?
[08:05] <shale> its freakin tiny
[08:05] <Schiffb> system settings somewhere
[08:07] <chavo> shale, filemanager icons?
[08:08] <chavo> you can just ctrl-Mousewheel to change them
[08:08] <shale> um i think so (not sure what filemanager is)
[08:08] <shale> i mean font size
[08:08] <shale> its too small how can i increase?
[08:09] <chavo> shale, Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Appearance
[08:09] <Schiffb> chavo: how can I change to another repository.. my current one doesn't seem to be working properly
[08:09] <shale> ah.. thank
[08:09] <gerardocb> shale: K Menu, System Settings, Personal, Appearance
[08:09] <gerardocb> Oh
[08:09] <gerardocb> Well... something like that
[08:09] <chavo> Schiffb, not sure, I don't know of any mirrors
[08:10] <Schiffb> anyone here using no.archive (norwegian)? could you fetch updates if so?
[08:12] <chavo> !gpgerr
[08:12] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[08:13] <Schiffb> thanks ubotu, I do get GPG error so I'll try what you said there
[08:13] <shale> ok i think i like kde better
[08:13] <shale> its got more "stuff"
[08:13] <shale> and feels faster... or is it just me?
[08:13] <chavo> shale, it's faster for me
[08:14] <Schiffb> ubotu: I shouldn't remove any directories there right? (partial)
[08:14] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Schiffb
[08:14] <helpme> huh? i always thought gnome was faster......r u serious?
[08:15] <chavo> Schiffb, no don't remove directories and ubotu is a bot
[08:15] <Schiffb> lol, I didn't know that
[08:15] <Schiffb> what a clown I am
[08:15] <chavo> that's ok, he's a nice bot :)
[08:16] <Schiffb> not like there was any hints in the name :D
[08:16] <chavo> he's the same one that's in #ubuntu
[08:17] <shale> so what else is cooler about kde ?
[08:17] <shale> turn me on
[08:19] <chavo> shale, I like a lot of things about KDE. It's just more advanced than gnome. The apps are great and it's very customizable.
[08:20] <shale> ok
[08:20] <shale> i'll have to spend some time with it
[08:20] <shale> i've been on gnome cuz it was the default i guess
[08:21] <chavo> I like gnome too, I used it for years, but they just kept taking out features and options till there's nothing left that I like.
[08:22] <Schiffb> I'm used to Gnome also .. I'd really like to change how you swap desktops in KDE.. ctrl-tab is rather awkward I think
[08:22] <aftertaf> i find kde faster too.
[08:22] <aftertaf> Schiffb:  try alt + F1/2/3/4
[08:22] <chavo> Schiffb, you can change all of that in KDE
[08:22] <aftertaf> Schiffb:  or config it to be that;)
[08:23] <chavo> you can do it with mousewheel on desktop also
[08:23] <Schiffb> yeah.. using laptop though
[08:23] <Schiffb> so how do I config it?
[08:24] <shale> are there themes in kde like in gnome?
[08:25] <aftertaf> shale:  www.kde-look.org
[08:25] <helpme> im on kubuntu...i installed gdm....now ive got large menu and icons in kde.....plz help!
[08:25] <aftertaf> helpme:  try reducing their size via appearance in sys settings
[08:25] <chavo> Schiffb, system settings -> regional & accesibility -> keyboard shortcuts
[08:25] <aftertaf> helpme:  and why did you put gdm?
[08:25] <helpme> no no it wont that way...panel is ok...only icons & menu have grown up!
[08:25] <helpme> aftertaf: coz gdm has nice themes:)
[08:26] <chavo> shale, window decorations and styles need to be compiled in KDE, there are packages for quite a few though
[08:26] <aftertaf> helpme:  change xorg.conf and put the 100dpi fonts before the 75dpi fonts
[08:26] <shale> what about web browser... y'all use konquerer or firefox?
[08:26] <aftertaf> both
[08:26] <chavo> konqueror for me
[08:26] <helpme> aftertaf: thx
[08:26] <helpme> opera:)
[08:27] <aftertaf> :)
[08:27] <shale> :)
[08:27] <shale> i notice my shortcut to firefox is nowhere to be found :)
[08:27] <aftertaf> katapult it
[08:27] <shale> hunh?
[08:27] <aftertaf> !katapult
[08:27] <ubotu> [katapult]  an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[08:29] <helpme> aftertaf: help needed....i see many lines with dpi etc.....what to do?
[08:29] <Schiffb> you guys use Kopete or Gaim?
[08:30] <shale> i use gaim
[08:30] <helpme> gaim....u dont get yahoo chatrooms in kopete........
[08:30] <aftertaf> helpme:  find the line with 100dpi and the one with 75dpi. If the 75dpi appears in the file before the 100dpi, edit mode :D
[08:30] <shale> once a theme is d/l'd from kde-look.org... how do i install it?
[08:30] <aftertaf> gaim, i find it stabler
[08:31] <aftertaf> shale:  there sould be a readme on the ste, or in the tarball
[08:31] <bjv> apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment    is giving me some errors, i assume that is because im 1/2 thru an upgrade to breezy.
[08:31] <bjv> that is the correct command, though?
[08:31] <bjv> to install gnome>?
[08:31] <helpme> aftertaf: the unscaled one or the other pair of lines?
[08:31] <aftertaf> helpme:  i dunno..... make a backup and change all that seem like they could need it ;)
[08:32] <helpme> bjv: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:32] <aftertaf> bjv:  try ubuntu-desktop
[08:32] <aftertaf> bjv:  and pastebin your errors.
[08:32] <gerardocb> Do u know if there is a good videoconferencing tool for kde?
[08:32] <bjv> helpme: ah, thanks
[08:32] <bjv> k
[08:32] <helpme> aftertaf: looks like i'll stick to nice sweet gnome;)
[08:33] <shale> ok a really dumb question... its asking me what to open "README" with... ?
[08:33] <aftertaf> helpme:  :/    get E17!!!!
[08:33] <aftertaf> lol shale :)
[08:33] <chavo> shale, try kate
[08:33] <aftertaf> shale:  any text editor, just a text file.
[08:33] <helpme> shale: if its icon theme thats easy to install
[08:33] <helpme> aftertaf: whats E17?
[08:33] <helpme> !info e17
[08:34] <shale> the readme is blank :|
[08:34] <aftertaf> lol
[08:34] <bjv> aftertaf: thanks, no errors.   but ouch.. 170mib? guess ill finish my breezy upgrade 1st.
[08:34] <bjv> before i torture my dialup more. :o
[08:34] <Schiffb> I'm still getting errors when trying to fetch updates :(
[08:34] <aftertaf> helpme:  http://www.get-e.org
[08:34] <helpme> shale: select the theme file via kcontrol...see what happens
[08:35] <shale> what the hell is kcontrol
[08:35] <helpme> aftertaf: i see.....
[08:35] <bjv> Schiffb: apt-get updates?  i just  sed s/us.archive/archive/g the source list
[08:35] <chavo> shale, system settings
[08:36] <helpme> shale: kde control center dude
[08:36] <aftertaf> lol
[08:36] <shale> ok i'm there... Appearance?
[08:36] <chavo> well it's replaced by system settings in kubuntu no?
[08:37] <Schiffb> bjv: I have no.archive right now (I'm Norwegian).. should I change it to something else until it's repaired or something?
[08:37] <shale> oh well... too complex... i gues the default theme is fine
[08:37] <bjv> Schiffb: if you are having problems? yeah, i just took the prefix off all togeather.
[08:37] <shale> i can see an 'import theme' button on the icons tab but thats it
[08:38] <Schiffb> bjv: ok I'll have a go
[08:38] <helpme> shale: there shud be install theme button
[08:38] <bjv> yeah, i dont know if that means im using a default repo or if it is selecting a new mirror?
[08:38] <shale> helpme, there is, in the icons section, but it gives me a lovely breaking glass sound when i point it to the bz2 file
[08:39] <chavo> shale, a theme is made up of all the different parts -> window deco, style. icons, fonts, etc
[08:39] <bjv> but, try it though.
[08:39] <helpme> shale: hehe....then im afraid u'll have to do things manually
[08:39] <shale> so i have to install each seperately?
[08:39] <helpme> shale: is it icon theme?
[08:39] <shale> helpme, no i believe its an entire theme... polymer.tar.bz2
[08:40] <helpme> if its icon theme, extract it into /usr/share/icons.....
[08:40] <chavo> shale, polymer is a windeco and a style
[08:40] <helpme> shale: well ive no xp with general themes.....sorry
[08:40] <chavo> you have to compile it, unless there's a package
[08:40] <shale> roger
[08:41] <shale> maybe i should start with something simpler.... like moving icons around on the desktop
[08:41] <helpme> lol
[08:41] <bubblenut> Hi, is there a way I can install firefox and thunderbird without having to install all the gnome stuff?
[08:41] <shale> apt-get install mozilla-firefox ?
[08:42] <shale> bubblenut, are you familiar with apt-cache search <searchterm> ?
[08:42] <bjv> bubblenut: i just use the firefox i downloaded from their site, came with a self installing wizard and everything.
[08:42] <bjv> getfirefox.com or whatever.
[08:44] <bubblenut> I'm doing things through kynaptic at the moment, I can find firefox fine but when I select it to install it says it needs loads of other packages (a bunch of which seem to be gnome packages).
[08:44] <bubblenut> The final download comes in at a whopping 75.3M!
[08:44] <chavo> bubblenut, firefox is built with gtk, so it needs that stuff
[08:44] <shale> oh, i'm not familiar with kynaptic
[08:46] <bubblenut> Oh, it's GTK stuff, OK, thanks
[08:46] <chavo> well might be some gnoe stuff also
[08:46] <chavo> gnome that is
[08:47] <bubblenut> I don't get why gnome stuff would need to be installed for a KDE install
[08:47] <chavo> bubblenut, firefox is not a kde app
[08:48] <bubblenut> No, but neither is it a Gnome app. I'm just surprised that there would be Gnome dependencies for it
[08:49] <bubblenut> Also, what does it mean when it says 107M of extra disk space will be used, 26.3M will be downloaded? Where's the extra 80 odd Meg comming from?
[08:50] <chavo> it is downloading compressed archives which will be expanded
[08:50] <Schiffb> chavo: x-windows thing got me further now .. but : checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found.
[08:51] <Schiffb> apt-get install qt doesn't work
[08:51] <chavo> Schiffb, libqt3-mt-dev
[08:52] <Schiffb> ok, what's my kde prefix? tells me /urs but that's wrong apparently
[08:53] <chavo> Schiffb, should be /usr -> kde-config --prefix
[08:53] <NeedHelp> Hi, i need help. I installed kubuntu, i used adept for a wile, than a friend of mine sayed me to allow the "full duplex" i did it and the sistem crashed,Now every time i install a program by adept, i install it, than i reboot my sistem and a windows appears: it says me "the manager of the services kde is not in execution". If i disinstall the program (EVERY PROGRAM!) it returns normal. What can i do to fix It?
[08:54] <NeedHelp> ( i have disabled the full duplex)
[08:54] <Schiffb> ah.. maybe I don't have any headers there? is that possible chavo?
[08:55] <chavo> Schiffb, yes you'll need kde development stuff also
[08:55] <chavo> what are you compiling
[08:55] <Schiffb> kile
[08:55] <raphink> schiffb /usr
[08:55] <chavo> you need at least kdelibs-dev
[08:55] <raphink> Schiffb: use apt-get build-dep kile
[08:55] <raphink> to build the dependencies before compiling
[08:56] <Schiffb> why isn't al this junk installed already though? :)
[08:56] <raphink> why do you need to build it btw Schiffb ?
[08:56] <chavo> Schiffb, because kubuntu is a package based distro
[08:56] <raphink> can't you install it simply?
[08:56] <Schiffb> couldn't find it in apt-get
[08:56] <raphink> do you have universe activated Schiffb ?
[08:57] <Schiffb> maybe not .. I'll go check
[08:57] <raphink> what do you mean by full duplex NeedHelp ?
[08:57] <Schiffb> I came from Ubuntu couple of hours ago .. it all went straight in there
[08:57] <raphink> Schiffb: how did you install kubuntu?
[08:57] <raphink> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[08:58] <Schiffb> I downloaded Kubuntu from their homepage .. fresh install
[08:58] <Schiffb> universe was commented out ...
[08:58] <raphink> oh ok
[08:58] <raphink> I thought you had installed kubuntu from ubuntu
[08:58] <NeedHelp> raphink: full duplex is the option in adio configuration
[08:58] <raphink> well uncomment universe (and multiverse too while you're there)
[08:58] <raphink> then apt-get update
[08:59] <raphink> and apt-get install kile
[08:59] <Schiffb> well I guess I had fun trying to get around it all .. not :)
[08:59] <raphink> if you want kile in another language than english, you also need
[08:59] <raphink> apt-get install kile-i18n
[08:59] <Schiffb> yeah, think I'll get it now :) thanks folks
[08:59] <Schiffb> ah, yes
[09:00] <raphink> NeedHelp: so activating full duplex on your audio card would have screwed up your kde?
[09:00] <raphink> and you had to uninstall ... what packages?
[09:03] <NeedHelp> raphink: I THINK YES!
[09:03] <raphink> NeedHelp: that was a question...
[09:04] <raphink> _what_ did you have to uninstall to make it work?
[09:04] <raphink> and how?
[09:04] <Schiffb> so is Krita any good? or I might as well install gimp?
[09:05] <aftertaf> open system settings>audio>sound system and change it in there.....
[09:05] <aftertaf> what isthe pb with full dupex audio?
[09:05] <raphink> Schiffb: gimp
[09:18] <el-stupido> hello
[09:21] <egonw> hi all, I have a boot problem: when I start in 'normal' mode, my kubuntu splash hangs at 'Loading modules'... but when running the 'recovery' mode it boots without problem... anyone with comments or suggestions on how to debug this problem?
[09:22] <aftertaf> egonw:  if you leave it for say, 10 mins, do you get past loading mods?
[09:22] <egonw> not sure how long I tried...
[09:23] <egonw> recovery mode is not loading modules?
[09:23] <egonw> if so, can I force 'Loading modules' in that mode to see where it fails?
[09:24] <robin> cool updates..
[09:24] <aftertaf> i dont know....... recovery mode normally shows a lot of info and hangs where it has a pb, but with info as to why. try on #ubuntu.... more ppl there
[09:25] <egonw> well... the recovery mode does *not* hang... :(
[09:25] <egonw> so that's not given away any information on the problem
[09:26] <egonw> given->giving
[09:26] <egonw> ok, thanx
[09:38] <robin> hmm
[09:38] <robin> it now show the usbdriver correctly,  but still two windows appear. and a message "Could not mount device., The reported error was: mount: can'f find /dev/sdh1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[09:39] <robin> but it shows the content, so there is progress.
[09:43] <robin> well a reboot helps.. it now works.
[09:52] <andrzej> somebody are from poland?
[09:52] <Tm_T> polski perkele
[09:53] <raphink> hmmm #kubuntu-pl ? ;)
[09:53] <raphink> seems not ;)
[09:54] <andrzej> ok txh
[09:54] <raphink> dlaczego andrzej ? nie mowis po angliski ?
[09:57] <andrzej> on this #kubuntu-pl canal I am alone:/
[09:58] <raphink> :(
 Where are you from?
[10:00] <raphink> france
[10:01] <andrzej> France and linux is associated with  me Mandriva
[10:02] <raphink> sure
[10:04] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[10:04] <da_bon_bon> how do i stop the popup that comes when i insert a cd, in kde 3.5 b2 ?
 Can you speak Polish?
[10:05] <raphink> just a bit andrzej 
[10:09] <andrzej> why when my kubuntu starting display me : "mounting local filesystem"  - failed??
[10:10] <_manveru> just a quick question, someone knows how to get postmaster executed on startup?
[10:11] <_manveru> should i add it as a service, or is there some better way
[10:15] <andrzej> ok j must go bye
[10:16] <francesco> W: GPG error: http://it.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[10:16] <francesco> W: GPG error: http://it.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[10:16] <francesco> W:  consigliabile eseguire apt-get update per correggere questi problemi
[10:16] <francesco> this morning if I sudo apt-get update I obtain sorry
[10:16] <francesco> what pasted upon
[10:16] <francesco> is it normal?
[10:16] <francesco> sorry for the "flood"
[10:21] <gerardocb> !gpgerr
[10:21] <ubotu> If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* (Yes, you will get some 'is a directory' messages, that's fine) then wait 10 minutes and retry.
[10:23] <francesco> can anybody tell me how can I display metabar? I did sudo apt-get install metabar and now I don't know how to make it appear...
[10:23] <_manveru> ubotu: got the same problem, but wouldn't a rm -rf be better?
[10:23] <ubotu> _manveru: I don't know
[10:23] <_manveru> ubotu: you don't know anything
[10:23] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, _manveru
[10:26] <gerardocb> _manveru: ubotu is a bot
[10:27] <_manveru> gerardocb: i know...
[10:27] <gerardocb> ubotu: he knows...
[10:27] <ubotu> gerardocb: Do they come in packets of five?
[10:27] <_manveru> gerardocb: i wouldn't be that rude to a human being :)
[10:27] <gerardocb> ubotu: yes, they do
[10:27] <ubotu> Not a clue, gerardocb
[10:28] <_manveru> ubotu: do you know something about postgresql
[10:28] <ubotu> _manveru: Do they come in packets of five?
[10:28] <_manveru> ubotu: i fear they don't
[10:28] <ubotu> _manveru: What?
[10:28] <raphink> ubotu: tell me about your life
[10:28] <raphink> hehe
[10:29] <_manveru> now you gonna get all his logs :)
[10:29] <raphink> no
[10:29] <raphink> ubotu doesn't know what 'your life' is
[10:29] <ubotu> No idea, raphink
[10:29] <raphink> see ? ;)
[10:29] <_manveru> huh
[10:29] <raphink> lol
[10:30] <_manveru> ubotu: :your_life =  Server.all.channels[:log] 
[10:30] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, _manveru
[10:31] <raphink> doesnet seem to work
[10:31] <_manveru> !postgres
[10:31] <ubotu> _manveru: Syntax error in line 1
[10:31] <_manveru> ubotu: yeah, sounds familiar
[10:31] <ubotu> I don't know, _manveru
[10:32] <_manveru> however, is there a common way of installing new services in ubuntu?
[10:33] <gerardocb> sure, _manveru
[10:33] <gerardocb> Just take /etc/init.d/skeleton as example
[10:34] <_manveru> ah, thx
[10:34] <gerardocb> you knew this, right ubotu?
[10:34] <gerardocb> uh...
[10:34] <gerardocb> ubotu, you knew this, right?
[10:34] <ubotu> gerardocb: Are you smoking crack?
[10:34] <_manveru> !skeleton
[10:34] <ubotu> I don't know, _manveru
[10:34] <gerardocb> hahaha
[10:35] <_manveru> well, there must be some init.d-file for debian already
[10:35] <_manveru> i mean... it's postgresql...
[10:35] <mirak> hello
[10:35] <gerardocb> hello, mirak
[10:35] <mirak> what is the packet kubuntu-live for ?
[10:35] <mirak> and kubuntu-express
[10:36] <_manveru> it's for the super-highfidelity-extra-kubuntu-live-experience
[10:36] <mirak> ubuntu-express
[10:36] <mirak> _manveru: what ?
[10:36] <mirak> :)
[10:36] <_manveru> well, got no idea
[10:36] <_manveru> i'm on kubuntu since about 10 minutes
[10:36] <_manveru> uh, it's been 30 already...
[10:37] <_manveru> but adept should tell you what they are for
[10:37] <bubblenut> Hi, I'm using the KDE Control center to configure my network connection but it isn't saving my default gateway.
[10:37] <_manveru> hmm, adept doesn't know what it's for
[10:38] <bubblenut> I set everything up and then apply it, it takes ages and then says it's all done. I try to ping google and the host is unknown, I check route and there's no default gateway
[10:39] <bubblenut> Anyone had this problem before / can think of a sollution that doesn't require me to set the default gw manually every time I connect?
[10:40] <_manveru> bubblenut: you could use ifconfig to configure it...
[10:40] <_manveru> bubblenut: but i'm sure there is some kubuntu-config-way...
[10:41] <_manveru> bubblenut: try 'sudo netpref'
[10:42] <bubblenut> ifconfig doesn't set the default gateway, that's done by route (as I mentioned above) but I don't want to have to run that every time I try to connect to the internet
[10:42] <_manveru> i have configured my default gateway in ifconfig some years before... i guess it still does that
[10:43] <_manveru> but you are propably right, haven't used it for quite some time now...
[10:44] <_manveru> however, netpref seems to be the ubuntu (or at least kubuntu) tool of choice to configure the network
[10:45] <da_bon_bon> is it possible for usplash to have different modes ? like verbose, silent ?
[10:46] <morrow> or higher resolution? :)
[10:47] <da_bon_bon> why ?
[10:47] <da_bon_bon> you can use vga=729
[10:52] <asraniel> hi, i have seen one time that you can launch a GUI app over the network with the fish kio. does anyone know the syntax?
[10:53] <_manveru> sure
[10:53] <_manveru> fish://192.168.0.1
[10:53] <_manveru> saved me some minutes today :)
[10:53] <asraniel> _manveru: yes, but is there a possibity to launch a application like kate over fish?
[10:53] <asraniel> i have seen somebody doing this one time, but i dont know the syntax
[10:53] <da_bon_bon> whats fish kio ?
[10:54] <asraniel> or could it be another kio?
[10:54] <_manveru> hmm
[10:54] <_manveru> you mean a remote kate or what?
[10:54] <asraniel> yes
[10:54] <_manveru> i have only opened files via fish with kate... since fish is only a ssh-client in my eyes
[10:55] <_manveru> i guess to start kate remotely you would have to do a krdc to another computer
[10:56] <mike_mcg> installing ivtv on 5.10 
[10:56] <asraniel> ok, then i search myself. but was anybody able to make a samba file share with kubuntu? i cant acess it. and webmin doesent seem to work either, so im somewhat stuck
[10:56] <gerardocb> asraniel, not exactly with fish
[10:57] <gerardocb> you can do ssh -X remote_server
[10:57] <asraniel> gerardocb: ok, i try that
[10:57] <gerardocb> this will forward all of the X connections from the remote to the local
[10:57] <gerardocb> And the best, over a very secure channel :-D
[10:58] <gerardocb> You can make this the default in /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[10:59] <asraniel> geradocb: this is also ssh, i think i have realy seen it with fish, some months ago under a mandrake installation
[11:00] <asraniel> gerardocb: and could you give me more explanations for your command? if i execute it i'm only connected to a shell, not to a x server
[11:00] <_manveru> sweet, ubuntu is on the best way to unite the strenghts of suse and debian...
[11:00] <gerardocb> In fact, if u are running a gui, you are running the X server
[11:01] <gerardocb> Remote machine doesn't need to be running an X server
[11:01] <gerardocb> "a" X server :-D
[11:01] <gerardocb> "an"?
[11:01] <gerardocb> Duh
[11:01] <gerardocb> My english is so ugly...
[11:02] <gerardocb> You only have to do this: ssh -X remote_server
[11:02] <gerardocb> This will set the DISPLAY environment variable to localhost:10.0
[11:03] <gerardocb> This is a point to your local machine through the ssh tunnel
[11:03] <rotman> does anyone know if the OOo2RC3 is available in some repository?
[11:03] <gerardocb> As said, remote_server doesn't need to be running X
[11:04] <gerardocb> I mean: this is a pointER to your local machine through the ssh tunnel
[11:04] <bubblenut> How do I find out if ntfs is supported and if it isn't how do I add that support?
[11:05] <gerardocb> modprobe -l|grep ntfs
[11:05] <gerardocb> If you see something like ntfs.ko, it IS supported
[11:07] <bubblenut> OK, it's supported but when I to add the following line to my /etc/fstab it fails
[11:08] <bubblenut>  /dev/sda2       /mnt/windows    ntfs    ro, default     0       0
[11:08] <gerardocb> type: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o ro
[11:08] <gerardocb> Show me the output
[11:11] <asraniel> gerardocb: i cant realy get it to work. my plan:  have a tv card on my desktop pc, and i would like to watch tv from my laptop. i want to launch kdetv on my desktop pc but show it on my laptop. everytime i try it with ssh -X, it tells me that it cant find the X server
[11:12] <gerardocb> asraniel, I think it won't work, because v4l (video 4 linux)
[11:12] <gerardocb> asraniel, before doing the ssh, try xhost +localhost
[11:14] <goldmember> anybody knows where mlnet puts downloaded and temp files by default :)?
[11:14] <asraniel> gerardocb: always the same. i connect to the server, type my password, then im in a shell, type the name of a application (kate), and then it tells me that it cant find the xserver
[11:16] <gerardocb> 1. Do u have some iptables policies?
[11:16] <gerardocb> 2. When you are on the remote server, type "echo $DISPLAY" and show me the output
[11:16] <gerardocb> goldmember, I don't
[11:17] <bubblenut> gerardocb: It mounted, thanks but there is another slight problem. I mounted it with sudo but I can't su to root, it's not accepting my root password :/
[11:17] <asraniel> gerardocb: there is no output, just found a tutorial where it tells me i have to change something in the sshd_confif
[11:17] <gerardocb> root doesn't have a valid password
[11:17] <gerardocb> You must do everything with sudo
[11:17] <gerardocb> or...
[11:17] <gerardocb> "sudo bash -login"
[11:18] <gerardocb> May be
[11:18] <gerardocb> asraniel, may be
[11:18] <gerardocb> asraniel: take a look to the X11Forwarding on /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[11:19] <gerardocb> It must be enabled
[11:19] <gerardocb> asraniel: on the remote server, of course...
[11:19] <asraniel> gerardocb: just did, but its already on true
[11:19] <bubblenut> I did sudo passwd root and reset the root password, is that a bad idea on Kubuntu?
[11:19] <nikkia> asraniel: check that you have tcp enabled for Xorg
[11:19] <gerardocb> asraniel, "yes" or "true" ?
[11:19] <asraniel> gerardocb: yes
[11:20] <gerardocb> bublenut: bad idea on every distro
[11:20] <nikkia> its possible to turn off non-local display support in X with Xorg, and then you end up not being able to connect to anything but the unix: protocol that is used by display 0.0
[11:20] <gerardocb> You don't really need direct access to the root account
[11:20] <gerardocb> nikkia, true, but...
[11:20] <gerardocb> asraniel: how are u doing the ssh?
[11:21] <gerardocb> ssh -x, or ssh -X ?
[11:21] <asraniel> gerardocb: from a console i type ssh -X hostname
[11:21] <gerardocb> ok
[11:21] <gerardocb> that's ok
[11:22] <asraniel> gerardocb: then im logged on a shell. echo $DISPLAY has NO output, that is the problem i think
[11:22] <nikkia> sadly, it means nothing
[11:23] <gerardocb> asraniel: sure... it means the display is not being redirect through the tunnel
[11:23] <nikkia> i can't get tcp X11 enabled on one of my machines, and ssh -X'ing to that box results in not setting display too, ssh validates that it can connect to X before it sets the variable, so it doesn't tell you if the ssh or the X connection is failing
[11:23] <gerardocb> but it should be set by ssh by itself
[11:24] <gerardocb> Well... actually there is no tcp connection between two machines using the ssh X tunnel
[11:24] <gerardocb> All of the connections are through the unix socket
[11:24] <bubblenut> Anyone know of a repo I can install eclipse from?
[11:24] <goldmember> i think when i used the release candidate of kubuntu, i was able to play a sound in kde via arts and hear some other non-arts application play sounds too, now i installed the final breezy from scratch and it isnt working anymore, how can i enable it?
[11:25] <gerardocb> goldmember, are you sure you were able to do that?
[11:25] <nikkia> gerardocb: i don't think so
[11:25] <nikkia> gerardocb: and in fact, i can prove you're wrong:
[11:25] <nikkia> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:35853         127.0.0.1:6010          ESTABLISHED18363/xclock
[11:25] <nikkia> that's a ssh -X'ed xclock
[11:25] <goldmember> i think so, yes
[11:27] <asraniel> nikkia: how did you do that? what are im doing wrong?
[11:27] <nikkia> gerardocb: ssh -X works exactly the same as -R, but with a little more smarts (to avoid display number (and hence tcp socket) clashes
[11:28] <nikkia> asraniel: ssh -X, nothing more that i can remember
[11:28] <gerardocb> nikkia, show me the tcp connection on your local machine for that
[11:28] <asraniel> nikkia: and then just launch the application with the command for it?
[11:28] <nikkia> gerardocb: at the local end, it probably uses unix, but the remapping at the remote end is definitely tcp
[11:28] <gerardocb> Of course
[11:29] <gerardocb> But the local X server doesn't need to be tcp enabled for that
[11:29] <nikkia> its the remote server that is most likely asraniel's problem, as i don't think there is really *anything* ssh has to do special locally
[11:29] <gerardocb> that's true, nikkia
[11:32] <asraniel> ah
[11:32] <asraniel> nikkia,gerardocb: the other way around it works
[11:32] <gerardocb> asraniel, ??
[11:32] <asraniel> nikkia,gerardocb: from the desktop computer i can open kate over ssh -X on the laptop
[11:33] <gerardocb> Ok
[11:33] <asraniel> nikkia,gerardocb: but the other way around it doesent work
[11:33] <gerardocb> do this "ssh -v -X remote"
[11:33] <gerardocb> do this "ssh -vv -X remote"
[11:33] <gerardocb> after the auth stuff, it must show something  like:
[11:33] <gerardocb> debug2: x11_get_proto: /usr/bin/xauth  list :0.0 . 2>/dev/null
[11:33] <gerardocb> debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
[11:33] <nikkia> asraniel: does the laptop have IPv6 enabled, i believe that to be my problem - i believe X is listening on an IPv6 interface and thus can't connect with 127.0.0.1 when i do ssh -X
[11:34] <asraniel> nikkia: i have disabled ipv6 for bot, but only for kde, with the /etc/enviroment config file
[11:34] <asraniel> i would like to add that ipv6 is bad... if you want to have fast internet you HAVE to disable it first, explain this to a newbie...
[11:35] <nikkia> asraniel: *shrug* i get decent network speeds and have it enabled
[11:35] <gerardocb> asraniel, did you do that? (ssh -vv...)
[11:36] <nikkia> it does complicate some things, because of the way that 'listen on all interfaces' works in libc
[11:36] <asraniel> nikkia: for me it takes 10 seconds to open a connection with ipv6 enabled, disabling ipv6 solves the problem. perhaps its my routers fault, dont know
[11:36] <asraniel> gerardocb: yes, not with -vv, only with -v
[11:36] <gerardocb> and?
[11:36] <asraniel> gerardocb: yes, not with -vv, only with -
[11:36] <asraniel> gerardocb: there was no error
[11:37] <gerardocb> what about -vv ?
[11:37] <asraniel> debug2: x11_get_proto: /usr/bin/xauth  list :0 . 2>/dev/null
[11:37] <asraniel> debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
[11:37] <asraniel> debug2: channel 0: request x11-req confirm 0
[11:37] <gerardocb> once you are on the remote server, type "xauth"
[11:39] <asraniel> gerardocb: there is one difference between the machines
[11:39] <gerardocb> what?
[11:39] <asraniel> gerardocb: the server that doesent work is kubuntu RC, but with ALL updates. the laptop is kubuntu final with ALL updates
[11:40] <gerardocb> so, you have the same version...
[11:40] <gerardocb> Did you do a dist-upgrade on the RC?
[11:40] <asraniel> gerardocb: i simply used the adept update manager
[11:41] <gerardocb> oh
[11:41] <gerardocb> type xauth on your desktop pc
[11:41] <asraniel> and then? i dont know this app
[11:41] <gerardocb> no error?
[11:42] <gerardocb> u should get an "xauth>" prompt
[11:42] <asraniel> yes, thats what i get
[11:42] <gerardocb> umm
[11:42] <gerardocb> Ctrl-D
[11:42] <gerardocb> I can't help you more... sorry...
[11:43] <sikor_sxe> which package do i have to install to have the kde headers installed?
[11:43] <gerardocb> asraniel, type xauth on your laptop 
[11:44] <gerardocb> sikor_sxe: I think it is kde-devel
[11:44] <asraniel> gerardocb: same thing, no error
[11:44] <gerardocb> :'(
[11:45] <gerardocb> Sorry... can't help you any more...
[11:47] <gerardocb> Cya...
[11:50] <sikor_sxe> gerardocb: when i select this package adept says it'll break
[11:51] <mornfall> sikor_sxe: kdelibs-dev could do
[11:52] <sikor_sxe> mornfall: i don't have that package in my repo
[11:52] <sikor_sxe> i have installed kdelibs4c2
[11:52] <mornfall> kdelibs4-dev maybe
[11:52] <mornfall> hrm
[11:52] <mornfall> kdelibs*-dev ;)
[11:53] <mornfall> kdelibs-dev
[11:53] <mornfall> it should be it
[11:53] <sikor_sxe> well i can't even select kdelibs4 in adept
[11:53] <mornfall> gnah
[11:54] <mornfall> kdelibs4-dev
[11:54] <sikor_sxe> it says it'll "BREAK (install)"
[11:56] <sikor_sxe> i don't know what this strange kdelibs4c2 package is
[11:56] <sikor_sxe> but i can't just deselect it and choose kdelibs4 instead
[11:56] <sikor_sxe> when i do all kde apps will be removed
[11:57] <_manveru> anybody here has kxdocker running?
[12:02] <nikkia> sikor_sxe: the 'c2' suffix would indicate its built with a different C++ ABI to the rest of the distro, in this case, probably gcc 4.0 rather than 3.x
[12:03] <sikor_sxe> nikki_a: alright, what package should i have installed instead on a stock kubuntu breezy install?
[12:03] <nikkia> sikor_sxe: no idea, tbh
[12:03] <nikkia> sikor_sxe: i haven't upgraded my kubuntu machine from hoary yet :)
[12:08] <sikor_sxe> damn
[12:08] <sikor_sxe> this is frustrating
[12:12] <sikor_sxe> why this c2 stuff?
[12:13] <sikor_sxe> there are a bunch of packages using this gcc4, but none has a header package
[12:16] <Jukar> Hi, i need to copy some files thath i have stored in my slave disk where i keep windows, what is the command?
[12:18] <Hobbsee> Jukar: cp from/file/path to/file/path
[12:19] <Jukar> ehm
[12:19] <Jukar> i don't see my slave disk
[12:19] <Jukar> cause is a windows disk
[12:19] <Hobbsee> mount it first?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> !mount
[12:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[12:20] <el-stupido> where can I learn about setting up a Caching Server?
[12:23] <Jukar> !windowsdrives
[12:23] <ubotu> hmm... windowsdrives is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[12:25] <Jukar> ok i've to reboot
[12:26] <asraniel> i cant mount windows shares with smb4k, i get this error: smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[12:27] <asraniel> i have to run smb4k with sudo smb4k
[12:29] <CaiN_SA> ok ne
[12:29] <CaiN_SA> where the hell do i add sessions for kdm
[12:30] <CaiN_SA> say i want to run quake 3 strait from there
[12:30] <CaiN_SA> it used to be in the control settings
[12:31] <asraniel> is there a way to stream video4linux over the network to another computer?
[12:31] <CaiN_SA> yes asraniel 
[12:31] <CaiN_SA> use videolan server
[12:31] <CaiN_SA> and then use video lan client on the other pc
[12:31] <CaiN_SA> :)
[12:31] <CaiN_SA> now some1 help me plz ?
[12:47] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  asraniel : apparently its better to use vlc client for both server and client parts....
[12:55] <Bieleke> hi guys
[12:56] <Bieleke> i installed the kubunty package in ubuntu, but my screen looks damned ugly in kde
[12:56] <Bieleke> what are the default fonts ?
[12:56] <Tm_T> ?
[12:57] <Bieleke> my fonts for the menu for example are for somebody that needs FAT glasses
[12:57] <Tm_T> heh
[12:57] <Tm_T> you mean the fonts are quite big?
[12:57] <Bieleke> yeah
[12:57] <Tm_T> Bieleke: then change them smaller :p
[12:58] <nikkia> the default KDE fonts are always a tad large
[12:58] <Tm_T> from system settings it is
[12:58] <nikkia> the title bar font defaults to 12pt, iirc, i normally knock it down to 8 or 9pt
[12:58] <asraniel_> is it planned to release the final version of OO.o 2.0 in breezy?
[12:58] <aftertaf> asraniel_:  when it comes out yeah.
[12:59] <Tm_T> nikkia: I use 8pt fonts everywhere
[12:59] <Tm_T> nikkia: that's why krita is somewhat less nice to use
[12:59] <asraniel_> aftertaf: read the news sites, it IS out
[12:59] <aftertaf> lol. then they'll package t for ubuntu shortly i imagine
[01:00] <nikkia> Tm_T: i thought it was less nice to use because it copies the UI from a lousy product :P
[01:00] <nikkia> Tm_T: PSP is waaaay down at the bottom of the list of apps i'd choose to do image manipulation with :)
[01:02] <treefrog> Hi real noob question here.. What compiler should I install to use "make install" I'm using breezy Kubuntu
[01:03] <aftertaf> treefrog:  you dont use one, it does it itself. install build-essential
[01:03] <aftertaf> sudo apt-get install  build-essential
[01:03] <treefrog> Thanks aftertaf
[01:04] <aftertaf> :)
[01:05] <treefrog> being able to ask simple Qs like that here is making my Kubuntu life so much fun.. :-))
[01:06] <aftertaf> :)
[01:06] <aftertaf> hang around, youll be answering others soon enough
[01:06] <aftertaf> :)
[01:06] <treefrog> :)
[01:06] <treefrog> oh we are all smiles today arnt we lol
[01:07] <helpme> huh?
[01:07] <rysiek> hello guys
[01:07] <rysiek> any idea how can I make Ark use unace to handle the *.ace archives?
[01:08] <aftertaf> yeah we are ...  hehe
[01:08] <aftertaf> man ark... does it mention other formats?
[01:08] <rysiek> hmmm
[01:08] <rysiek> checking :)
[01:08] <rysiek> nope
[01:08] <aftertaf> grr
[01:08] <rysiek> "see man 7 undocummented"
[01:09] <rysiek> I don't really theink it'll be ther, though ;)
[01:10] <nikkia> sadly, ark doesn't seem to be architected in a way that would make it easy to add either
[01:10] <rysiek> darn
[01:11] <rysiek> nothing in the KDE Help too, sadly
[01:11] <nikkia> each format it supports is fairly hard-coded into ark, there is a seperate set of source files for each format, nothing like a simple list of extension->program mappings
[01:12] <rysiek> :/
[01:12] <nikkia> you could *probably* modify it based on the unrar support, but it wouldn't be a small task
[01:12] <_ubuntu> Hello :)
[01:12] <rysiek> hi
[01:12] <_ubuntu> First time KDE
[01:12] <aftertaf> hi and congrats :)
[01:12] <rysiek> ok, we'll try the other way 'round:
[01:12] <rysiek> trying to unace e archive.ace
[01:12] <rysiek> but I'm getting:
[01:13] <rysiek> Error: Could not create directory:
[01:13] <rysiek>  \..2CDs)/Placebo - Covers
[01:13] <rysiek> Error: Could not create destination file: \..- I Feel You.mp3
[01:13] <rysiek>  Disk might be write-protected
[01:13] <rysiek> any ideas? :)
[01:13] <nikkia> rysiek: iirc, its because unace is a bit braindead and doesn't like the spaces that most winace users compress files/dirs with :/
[01:14] <Tm_T> too much warez, clean your HD
[01:14] <nikkia> there's a way around it, but i can't remember it
[01:14] <aftertaf> lol
[01:14] <_ubuntu> :P
[01:14] <rysiek> nikkia: d'oh :)
[01:14] <Tm_T> :(
[01:14] <aftertaf> man unace
[01:14] <nikkia> aftertaf: i don't think it has a man page
[01:14] <rysiek> aftertaf: no way man :)
[01:15] <aftertaf> looool thatsux
[01:15] <rysiek> it's been dlded from winace.com
[01:15] <rysiek> just the binary
[01:15] <Tm_T> rysiek: what about buying those dc:s ?
[01:15] <rysiek> yep
[01:15] <nikkia> rysiek: *nod*
[01:15] <theplateau> 
[01:15] <Tm_T> rysiek: cds even :p
[01:15] <nikkia> Tm_T: that means supporting an organisation even more corrupt and evil than MS :P
[01:15] <rysiek> Tm_T: ?
[01:15] <sikor_sxe> where are the dev packages for kdelibs4c2 packages in kubuntu breezy?
[01:15] <rysiek> Tm_T: what cd's? :)
[01:16] <Tm_T> nikkia: well, crime doesn't make other crimes better
[01:16] <rysiek> gosh, no more ACE file on my box!
[01:16] <nikkia> homer, does 2 wrongs make a right?    yes lisa, two wrongs do make a right!   :)
[01:16] <rysiek> :] 
[01:17] <rysiek> brb
[01:17] <Tm_T> nikkia: :(
[01:17] <nikkia> Tm_T: besides, downloading mp3s *may* not be illegal wherever rysiek is :)
[01:18] <rysiek> Tm_T: what mp3s? :P
[01:18] <Tm_T> nikkia: yup, but maybe he should not download compressed files in compressed package ;)
[01:18] <K|> The breezy kdm splash screen, should it look as that: http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/1024/kubuntusplash4jk.jpg ? That's not a bug that nothing is in that grey rectangle?
[01:18] <rysiek> Tm_T: these are mpc's :P
[01:18] <Tm_T> rysiek: or whatever
[01:18] <rysiek> :)
[01:19] <aftertaf> unace -h ?
[01:19] <Tm_T> rysiek: I never said they are mp3s
[01:19] <nikkia> rysiek: "[12:13:08]  <rysiek> Error: Could not create destination file: \..- I Feel You.mp3"  <- looks like an mp3 to me :)
[01:19] <Tm_T> yup
[01:20] <Tm_T> anyway, I don't like "lending" stuff
[01:20] <Tm_T> ->
[01:20] <aftertaf> unace - extract, test and view .ace archives
[01:20] <aftertaf> unp - unpack (almost) everything with one command
[01:21] <aftertaf> rysiek:  try those packages^^^^
[01:21] <rysiek> aftertaf: ok, thx
[01:21] <brizzio> hello
[01:21] <rysiek> testing ;)
[01:21] <aftertaf> hi brizzio :)
[01:21] <rysiek> nikkia: errr... no, you're seeing things :P
[01:21] <MaliciAAa> aftertaf salut
[01:22] <aftertaf> lol.fr :)
[01:22] <MaliciAAa> j'aimerai aller sur kubuntu franais mais je sais point comment faire
[01:22] <rysiek> aftertaf: I have tried the unace package already (actually the first thing I have done) but that's unace ver. 1.2
[01:22] <rysiek> and I need 2.2 ;)
[01:23] <rysiek> trying unp
[01:23] <MaliciAAa> ou alors il faut m'apprendre l'anglais en  sec
[01:24] <rysiek> aftertar: well... unp uses unace as a backend for ACE archives :/
[01:24] <rysiek> I suppose I have to boot Windoze for this one :/
[01:25] <aftertaf> MaliciAAa:  je pense que #kubuntu-fr est un peu vide. mais y a #ubuntu-fr
[01:25] <aftertaf> MaliciAAa:  tapes /j #ubuntu-fr
[01:25] <rysiek> cu guys and thx nikkia, Tm_T and aftertaf for the help :)
[01:25] <MaliciAAa> vi merci lol
[01:25] <MaliciAAa> je me suis sentie une peu seule c vrai
[01:25] <aftertaf> :/
[01:26] <aftertaf> j'imagine ;)
[01:36] <brizzio> voila
[01:36] <brizzio> re
[01:37] <MaliciAAa> j'arrive pas
[01:37] <MaliciAAa> aftertaf je suis encore perdue ici
[01:38] <MaliciAAa> je veux revenir sur le site franais
[01:39] <MaliciAAa> je suis bloque
[01:39] <apokryphos> MaliciAAa: #kubuntu-fr
[01:40] <aftertaf>  /j #ubuntu-fr
[01:40] <aftertaf> MaliciAAa:  ^^^^ ;)
[01:40] <MaliciAAa> alors la j'ai ouvert une tonne de fenetre
[01:40] <MaliciAAa> lol
[01:41] <aftertaf> dont panique MaliciAAa :)
[01:42] <MaliciAAa> je panique pas mais si je sort encore un fois je vais encore avoir du mal a revenir pourtant j'ai fais ce qu'il fallait non?
[01:42] <apokryphos> MaliciAAa: English only in here please :). Join #ubuntu-fr or #kubuntu-fr
[01:42] <MaliciAAa> ah le join
[01:42] <MaliciAAa> ok
[01:43] <MaliciAAa> ben voui question de vacabulaire
[01:45] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  shes very new, and is learning how to......
[01:45] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  someone setup her pc, removing windows without her knowing ...
[01:45] <apokryphos> tell her the command to type then :P
[01:51] <aftertaf> i did ;)
[02:14] <asraniel_> hmmm,.... i have been blocked on my webmin :-D where is the list of the blocked ips? i have to remove 127.0.0.1
[02:42] <Smeagol07> yoyo
[02:42] <Smeagol07> exit
[02:44] <Hobbsee> mmm...quiet in here tonight
[02:48] <mmport81> hi all, just updated to breezy and now my real player has stopped working - any ideas?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> any errors with the real player stopping working?
[02:50] <mmport81> errors - none - just play but no sounds output
[02:50] <Hobbsee> is your sound working at all?
[02:50] <mmport81> yep
[02:50] <mmport81> amarok working well
[02:50] <mmport81> which is strange...
[02:50] <Hobbsee> what about in system settings, test sound?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> amarok could be using a different engine
[02:51] <mmport81> will check
[02:51] <mmport81> test sound in system "sound system" setting is good
[02:51] <Hobbsee> ok, so it's just real player
[02:52] <mmport81> yeh ...
[02:52] <mmport81> :/
[02:52] <Hobbsee> i'm presuming that everything is turned up in alsamixer, and the inputs are muted
[02:52] <nikkia> mmport81: arts is blocking access to the sound card, most likely
[02:53] <mmport81> i turned off arts - in system sound setting and had the same problem
[02:53] <mmport81> Hobbsee: should those setting in alsamixer be of use if amarok etc is ok?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> mmport81: possibly...doubt it
[02:54] <Hobbsee> doesnt look like it, it should all be going thru the same channels
[02:55] <mmport81> maybe something to do with oss emulation in the kernel??
[02:55] <Hobbsee> check which engine real player is running, if you can...
[02:56] <mmport81>  Hobbsee: yeh not sure, tried to figure that out but had no luck
[02:56] <Hobbsee> unless anyone else can tell you, you'll probably need to try ubuntuforums.org and then google
[02:58] <mmport81> ok
[02:58] <Hobbsee> sorry i cant help you more than that!
[02:59] <mmport81> no problem - suspected it was a tricky problem, just hoped someone else ran into it b4hand
[03:00] <Hobbsee> they probably have
[03:00] <Hobbsee> i havent
[03:00] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:00] <Hobbsee> channel is rather quiet
[03:00] <mmport81> 'tis
[03:00] <mmport81> are most people here americans or something?
[03:01] <mmport81> - not that they're quiet, but that they might be asleep at the mo :)
[03:01] <nikkia> Hobbsee: realplayer only uses OSS
[03:01] <apokryphos> Open Source is generally more popular in Europe
[03:01] <apokryphos> hola nikki_a
[03:01] <mmport81> think so?
[03:01] <mmport81> at least kde is, i suspect
[03:01] <nikkia> afternoon apokryphos
[03:01] <apokryphos> or nikkia, even :P
[03:01] <Hobbsee> nikkia: right
[03:02] <Hobbsee> dont think it's terribly popular here in aussie, but i guess it depends in which circles you're in
[03:02] <mmport81> nikkia: maybe oss emulation isn't in the ubuntu kernel then?
[03:02] <slow-motion> bye bbl
[03:03] <apokryphos> Xubuntu is becoming a more serious project -- very good to see. There's some decent ideas floating about in the project
[03:03] <mmport81> xubuntu??
[03:03] <apokryphos> !xubuntu
[03:03] <ubotu> hmm... xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[03:03] <mmport81> oh right 
[03:09] <hussam> has anybody managed to install skype on breezy? I haven't used skype before and I would like to try it.
[03:12] <tenco> hussam: phps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563 can help you
[03:14] <hussam> tenco: skype won't install on breezy because it requires libqt3c102-mt which isn't available for breezy
[03:15] <tenco> hussam: whats the difference to libqt3-mt?
[03:16] <hussam> probably the same , but skype looks for  libqt3c102-mt  and not libqt3-mt
[03:17] <apokryphos> !skype
[03:17] <ubotu> well, skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free, or breezy debs: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:29] <hussam> apokryphos: is  "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1135D466" necessary? It times out for me
[03:33] <hussam> apokryphos: is  there any other way to import gpg key other than using "gpg --keyserver"?
[03:40] <jjesse> anyone having any problems w/ systems settings and file sharing w/ administrator mode?
[03:41] <kkathman> jjesse: Hi, what kind of problems are you experiencing?
[03:42] <jjesse> kkathman: after i put in my password it thinks for a bit and then brings me right back to  "Changes in this section requires root access"
[03:43] <hussam> kkathman: hey :)
[03:44] <jjesse> kkathman: i have a red box around the options, but the options are still greyed out
[03:44] <hussam> anybody knows how to use httptunnel?
[03:44] <kkathman> howdy hussam!!
[03:45] <aftertaf> its a kdesu bug i think.
[03:45] <aftertaf> close it, open adept or sth else that needs sudo, then reopen the admin panel thingy.
[03:46] <hussam> kkathman: I got a couple of questions for you. 
[03:46] <hussam> kkathman: I need to do "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1135D466" but it times out. is there any other way to import gpg keys?
[03:46] <kkathman> jjesse: yes I experience the same thing...it must be a bug
[03:46] <jjesse> kkathman: ok, bugzilla for that right?
[03:47] <kkathman> hussam: not that I know of
[03:47] <kkathman> jjesse: right bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:48] <hussam> kkathman: ok another question. where might I find some instructions on how to use httptunnel?
[03:48] <kkathman> hussam: what are you trying to get a gpg for?
[03:49] <kkathman> hussam: try this:  http://www.nocrew.org/software/httptunnel.html
[03:49] <hussam> kkathman: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[03:51] <kkathman> hussam: and that procedure listed on that page didnt work?
[03:52] <hussam> kkathman: gpg --keyserver timeouts because of closed port ( I'm behind proxy )
[03:53] <kkathman> ahhhh
[03:57] <kkathman> hussam: can you have the ports opened temporarily just to get the keys?
[03:59] <hussam> kkathman: I'm not the one who controls the proxy server. it's my internet service provider
[03:59] <kkathman> hussam: Interesting. I have never heard of an internet provider doing that.
[04:00] <hussam> kkathman: it's a hotspot.
[04:00] <kkathman> ohhh ok gotcha
[04:02] <jjesse> kkathman: the problem is bug #8681  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681
[04:04] <kkathman> jjesse: excellent that they already are working on it
[04:04] <jjesse> kkathman: yeah its a large bug list
[04:05] <kkathman> jjesse: Unusually so for this release I think. I dont remember Hoary being this buggy when it was released.
[04:06] <kkathman> especially in obvious things that probably should have been tested prior to release
[04:06] <kkathman> but for the most part, I havent experienced any shutdowns or critical problems
[04:08] <Armagguedes> hello
[04:08] <azertyuuu> helloo
[04:09] <azertyuuu> is i reboot, my X don't starts, it starts with terminal, can anyone help ?
[04:14] <sveri> azertyuuu: hm, what did you do before?
[04:15] <azertyuuu> i was working with Adept, and restarted X (ctrl+alt+back) and now it doesn't work
[04:16] <sveri> what does the logfile say (/var/log/Xorg.0.log)
[04:16] <sveri> does it give any errors?
[04:16] <azertyuuu> i can't enter X , do i have to look with pico -w ?
[04:17] <sveri> you can do cat /var/log/...
[04:17] <sveri> or vi /var/log/...
[04:18] <azertyuuu> ok, thanx, i'll see
[04:18] <Armagguedes> hm
[04:19] <Armagguedes> ive set up  a partition (30GB) in fat32 for sharing
[04:19] <Armagguedes> but i cant write to it
[04:19] <Armagguedes> i've tried chmod -R 777 /share
[04:19] <Armagguedes> (yes i am being a very permissive guy) but it doesnt work
[04:20] <seezer_> Armagguedes: mount it with -o umask=000 or something
[04:20] <Armagguedes> could you give me the whole command pls
[04:21] <seezer> mount -o umask=000 -t vfat32 /your/device /your/mountpoint
[04:22] <hussam> what kde application do I use to record sound using a microphone?
[04:22] <Armagguedes> seezer i can see the partition
[04:23] <Armagguedes> i think it is already mounted
[04:23] <seezer> then umount first
[04:24] <Armagguedes> i see it in /
[04:24] <Armagguedes> what goes into /your/device?
[04:27] <azertyuuu> hey all, i had a look to /var/log/xorg.0.log and i haven't found an error, still can't enter X 
[04:29] <sveri> azertyuuu: hm, but there have to be messages about what happened or what didn't happen
[04:30] <sveri> did you try sudo killall kdm and then sudo kdm ?
[04:30] <azertyuuu> xorg is not executable...
[04:30] <azertyuuu> what does it mean
[04:31] <sveri> hm, that you cant execute xorg
[04:32] <azertyuuu> and it says somethinf about autenticities
[04:32] <azertyuuu> when typing styartx
[04:32] <azertyuuu> startx
[04:33] <sveri> what exactly
[04:33] <bubblenut> What should I use to manage my network settings if the KDE Control Center network settings section isn't working?
[04:33] <azertyuuu> errorno 7...
[04:34] <sveri> bubblenut: /etc/network/interfaces
[04:35] <slow-motion> re
[04:38] <bubblenut> sveri: Where can I find out an explination of the syntax for that file?
[04:39] <Armagguedes> openoffice2 is here
[04:39] <hussam> does k3b make audio CDs from ogg or just mp3?
[04:39] <sveri> bubblenut: thats a good question, all i know is man interfaces
[04:39] <chavo> Armagguedes, just got done downloading it
[04:42] <bubblenut> sveri: Is there not any gui interface for doing this?
[04:42] <_sveri> bubblenut: hm, i don't know, i also experienced problems with the kcontrol networks part, so i did it that way
[04:44] <aaronjs> ok....  I have enabled breezy-backports main restricted in adept, but it stilll cannot find Freenx.   ANy ideas?
[04:44] <seezer> Armagguedes: /dev/hda1 for example
[04:45] <gsuveg> re
[04:45] <azertyuuu> hey all i get error no 111 and no 3
[04:46] <gsuveg> Tm_T: i compiled kmplayer deb 
[04:46] <Tm_T> gsuveg: working ok?
[04:46] <gsuveg> yes
[04:47] <Tm_T> good :)
[04:47] <_sveri> azertyuuu: did you try to start it as root or as user?
[04:47] <gsuveg> with good dependecies
[04:47] <azertyuuu> root
[04:47] <gsuveg> feedback sent to maintaner
[04:47] <_sveri> azertyuuu: the error no 111 only says that it cant connect to the x server, so there must be something else wrong before
[04:47] <Tm_T> gsuveg: ah, very good :)
[04:48] <alakhia> Hi, I need help with my upgrade to Breezy please
[04:48] <gsuveg> but the dvdplay is very bad with it
[04:48] <gsuveg> alakhia: have you read all related docs? 
[04:48] <gsuveg> what is your problem ?
[04:49] <gsuveg> Tm_T: but totem dont play :(
[04:49] <alakhia> gsuveg: I updated apt's source's, did the apt-get cmd, right around firefox, the thing crashed
[04:49] <alakhia> gsuveg: now, i don't have kde running and have to use the console
[04:50] <gsuveg> and ?
[04:50] <alakhia> gsuveg: i think the reason firefox update fried was because I was using the beta
[04:50] <alakhia> gsuveg: anyway, i'm not familiar with apt-get
[04:50] <gsuveg> no error message ??
[04:50] <alakhia> gsuveg: not sure how to continue with installing kde
[04:50] <alakhia> gsuveg: did apt-get install kde
[04:50] <gsuveg> no dist-upgrade ?
[04:51] <_sveri> azertyuuu: sry, i got blown off: maybe you can try to reconfigure with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but plz save your old xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[04:51] <aaronjs> is anyone have difficulties connecting to teh backport repository?
[04:51] <gsuveg> aaronjs: have you read issues from backport ?
[04:52] <alakhia> gsuveg: when I do dist-upgrade, I get 0 upgraded, 0 installled, 
[04:52] <alakhia> gsuveg:  nothing happens
[04:52] <aaronjs> gsuveg: and where might that be?  not in the topic....  afaik
[04:52] <gsuveg> what is in your apt config ?
[04:52] <gsuveg> aaronjs: ubuntuforums.org > search 
[04:53] <aaronjs> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 130.239.18.137 80]    is the output I get
[04:53] <alakhia> gsuveg: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[04:53] <gsuveg> apt-get update
[04:53] <gsuveg> apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:53] <gsuveg> what say ?
[04:54] <alakhia> gsuveg: the problem is not that kde is not found
[04:54] <aaronjs> gsuveg: thanks for the forum link, but that leaves me to ponder the usefulness of the channel.
[04:54] <gsuveg> aaronjs: pardon?
[04:54] <alakhia> gsuveg: the problem is that apt-get install kde gives me: unmet dependencies
[04:55] <alakhia> gsuveg: is apt-get install kde even the right thing to do ?
[04:55] <martinjh99> Anyone know when Openoffice.org2 final is going to be out for k/Ubuntu????? ;)
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: its in breezy
[04:55] <gsuveg> alakhia:  kubuntu-desktop ?
[04:55] <chavo> final just came out a couple of hours ago
[04:55] <martinjh99> The one in Breezy is rc2 i think....  Final is out today I think...
[04:56] <chavo> martinjh99, I installed it here.
[04:56] <chavo> it's out
[04:56] <martinjh99> Just downloaded the final version for that other operating system... ;)
[04:56] <alakhia> gsuveg: get this message: ksysguard is not going to be installed, unmet dependencies, broek backapges
[04:56] <alakhia> gsuveg: err, broken packages
[04:56] <martinjh99> Chavo> Are there proper deb packages?
[04:56] <chavo> uhm qnx? BeOS?
[04:56] <chavo> martinjh99, no I used alien, but I'm crazy
[04:57] <gsuveg> alakhia: put your apt-config to pastebin
[04:57] <_sveri> oh, i left the server ;-)
[04:57] <alakhia> gsuveg: huh? pastebin?
[04:57] <martinjh99> Chavo> :)  I think I'll wait until the guys at Ubuntu make proper packages as last time I tried it it didn't quite work out...
[04:57] <gsuveg> alakhia: ?topic
[04:58] <alakhia> gsuveg: i'm sorry, I don't follow you
[04:58] <kkathman> morning chavo :)
[04:58] <chavo> martin, like I said ... I'm crazy. I don't recommend doing it, but it works so far
[04:58] <chavo> hello kkathman :)
[04:58] <gsuveg> alakhia: read topic ;) kubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:58] <kkathman> I might suggest to people that they give Koffice a try also
[04:58] <martinjh99> :) I'll wait... Better that way...
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Is Oo 2 in the repos?
[04:58] <chavo> koffice is very nice
[04:58] <DaSkreech> OOo 2
[04:59] <kkathman> chavo: Yes Im very pleased with it :)
[04:59] <gsuveg> chavo: yes. but it like core dump
[04:59] <martinjh99> Skreech the beta/rc is yes...
[04:59] <raphink> sure it has been for a long time DaSkreech 
[04:59] <DaSkreech> The Official is out
[04:59] <endo602> ?
[04:59] <chavo> gsuveg, I build my own KDE and koffice here and 1.4.2 has been stable for me
[04:59] <chavo> krita is really starting to shape up
[05:00] <endo602> what unix command line does this support?
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Final release
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Only one download choice on the front page ;0
[05:00] <gsuveg> chavo: i dont build kde. 
[05:00] <DaSkreech> ;)
[05:00] <kkathman> chavo: agree. Krita is most impressive
[05:00] <raphink> endo602: sorry?
[05:00] <gsuveg> i dont like krita
[05:00] <alakhia> gsuveg: so, you want me to run apt-config and paste the output to this website, right?
[05:00] <endo602> debian?
[05:00] <raphink> endo602: this place is not a console ...
[05:00] <kkathman> gsuveg: well its leaps better than gimp, IMHO...but none of them are Photoshop :)
[05:00] <gsuveg> alakhia: nono
[05:00] <endo602> i know
[05:00] <chavo> gsuveg, just stating that the more recent versions have improved a lot
[05:01] <endo602> i was wondering what shell system this distro used
[05:01] <gsuveg> alakhia: etc/apt/sources.list
[05:01] <raphink> bash by default endo602 
[05:01] <raphink> like most linux distros
[05:01] <endo602> i am thinking of switching from xandros
[05:01] <endo602> is that smart?
[05:01] <raphink> sure it's smart
[05:01] <chavo> actually I still prefer the Gimp, I guess because I've used it for so long
[05:01] <gsuveg> kkathman: now not better as gimp. maybe in future
[05:01] <raphink> depends what you want to do with it ;)
[05:01] <endo602> hehe
[05:01] <endo602> well i dont like xandros
[05:01] <endo602> is to macish
[05:01] <kkathman> gimp sux
[05:02] <gsuveg> gimp > *
[05:02] <raphink> what do you mean it's too macish?
[05:02] <endo602> i wanted something that i can have more control over and also able to customize the desktop more
[05:02] <endo602> confined
[05:02] <endo602> xandros network is a pain
[05:02] <chavo> kkathman, for what I do the Gimp is perfect. I don't do a lot of graphic work though
[05:02] <raphink> hmmm ok
[05:02] <endo602> i have a hard time installing packages
[05:02] <raphink> endo602: xandros uses apt doesn't it?
[05:02] <endo602> raph can i pm?
[05:03] <raphink> sure endo602 
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Krita?
[05:03] <raphink> endo602: about it being smart to switch or not : http://distrowatch.com/
[05:03] <kkathman> chavo: I understand. I struggled with Gimp, then did the GimpShop thing, but I DO alot of graphic work, and theres nothing better than Photoshop
[05:03] <alakhia> gsuveg: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/399868
[05:04] <raphink> endo602: there you see that Xandros is #16 and Ubuntu is #1
[05:04] <DaSkreech> kkathman: For what you do
[05:04] <DaSkreech> If so then keep using Photoshop
[05:04] <raphink> so you can make your opinion on what most people use ;)
[05:04] <gsuveg> alakhia: apt-get update run ok ?
[05:05] <kkathman> DaSkreech: yes, for what I do sure. I mean its the standard in the industry. I used PSP for a while, but when I hit Photoshop..its the nirvana for graphic designers
[05:05] <alakhia> gsuveg: yup
[05:05] <gsuveg> alakhia: apt-get upgrade ?
[05:05] <endo602> raph check pm
[05:06] <kkathman> Others, if you just need to crop or remove red eye, etc...just about anything will work :)
[05:06] <alakhia> gsuveg: i get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove
[05:06] <raphink> haven't got any pm endo602 
[05:06] <endo602> damn sorry
[05:06] <endo602> yeah
[05:06] <endo602> i have to register
[05:06] <endo602> never the worry
[05:06] <raphink> yep
[05:07] <endo602> i just wanted to know if i can remove xandros and instal kubuntu simply?
[05:07] <raphink> endo602: what partitions do you have?
[05:07] <endo602> because xandros offered a dual boot with windows
[05:07] <endo602> windows and linux
[05:07] <gsuveg> alakhia: and you havent kde ?
[05:07] <endo602> on one drive
[05:07] <raphink> only one partition for linux?
[05:07] <endo602> yeah
[05:07] <kkathman> DaSkreech: I do realize that Photoshop is beyond the reach of alot of people too at $700 lol. But its my business so..we get the best in that regard I suppose :)
[05:07] <raphink> endo602: you don't have a separate /home?
[05:08] <endo602> oh i do
[05:08] <raphink> that was my question endo602 
[05:08] <alakhia> gsuveg: how do I check if I do? 
[05:08] <endo602> its on seperate partion
[05:08] <endo602> sorry
[05:08] <endo602> im new to this man
[05:08] <alakhia> gsuveg: I manually installed kdelibs and konversation
[05:08] <raphink> so you have at least one / , one /home and one partition for windows
[05:08] <raphink> right?
[05:08] <DaSkreech> kkathman: Of course ;) I have no real issue with Photoshop other than no one really *uses* it
[05:08] <gsuveg> what is manualy ?
[05:08] <endo602> yes
[05:08] <alakhia> gsuveg: am using twm ...
[05:08] <raphink> endo602: do you want to keep your /home ? or do you not mind?
[05:08] <alakhia> gsuveg: apt-get install konversation
[05:08] <gsuveg> twm is the best :)
[05:09] <alakhia> gsuveg: it would be ok if I could resize windows right now! :-)
[05:09] <endo602> i registered
[05:09] <endo602> pm
[05:09] <gsuveg> alakhia: install kubuntu-desktop 
[05:10] <alakhia> gsuveg: my wife will hate twm, i'm sure
[05:10] <kkathman> DaSkreech: noone uses it..Ha ha..well, keep that myth alive I suppose.  Im sure no one in the open source world does, but afraid that most professionals use it.
[05:10] <gsuveg> alakhia: i was use long time
[05:10] <DaSkreech> kkathman: I mean that people use a subset of what it can do
[05:11] <alakhia> gsuveg: ksysguard: Depends: ksysguardd (= 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu5) but 4:3.4.91-0ubuntu0hoary1 is to be installed
[05:11] <DaSkreech> kkathman: the range of things it can do is a little broad I don't know anyone who you can go through and show them things in Photoshop and they aren't surprised at at least one of them
[05:11] <kkathman> DaSkreech: I'd agree with that, but I think thats true of Word Processors, Spreadsheets, and most all robust apps
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Well I don't many professional spreadsheeters :)
[05:12] <alakhia> gsuveg: can't install kubuntu desktop because of above error
[05:12] <nikkia> DaSkreech: a program's feature list  isn't a checklist that you must utilise each of on every project :P
[05:13] <kkathman> nikkia: very true, well said.
[05:13] <gsuveg> alakhia: remove all kde related stuff and install kubuntu-desktop
[05:14] <gsuveg> qt, libs
[05:14] <alakhia> gsuveg: how do I get a listing of everything that is installed? Something like rpm -qa ?
[05:14] <DaSkreech> nikkia: I'm not saying it is but many people who are more intimate with photoshop than people should be with software are surprised at stuff it can do
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Kinda like the Linux kernel :)
[05:14] <nikkia> and i would argue that there are very few PS features that 'noone ever uses', brushes maybe, but i've seen pros do weird things with those, where afterwards you wouldn't even consider it might have been a custom brush
[05:15] <gsuveg> dpkg -l | more
[05:15] <gsuveg> dpkg -l | grep kde
[05:16] <alakhia> gsuveg: so right now, i have a mix and match of 3.4.3 and 3.4.91 ... this sucks
[05:18] <gsuveg> kill em all
[05:19] <kkathman> DaSkreech: I dont disagree with that at all. Photoshop is an immensely powerful app. Like many things, there is a "core" that almost everyone uses that extends beyond the boundaries of most graphics apps. Outside that, there are things that I use, that no other app has. I hardly have scratched the surface in 5 years of use.
[05:21] <Earthen> I need to readd the cd repositorty to my list because i mistakenly deleted it could someone tell me how to add it or past the line to add in my .sorces list
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> run 'sudo apt-cdrom' in konsole
[05:22] <buga> alakhia: dpkg -l|grep ' kde'|grep 3.4.91|awk '{ print $2"=4:3.4.3-\*" }'|xargs apt-get install -y -s
[05:22] <alakhia> gsuveg: uninstalled ksysguard just now
[05:22] <lz1gjd> hi guys, could you help me with my problem : i just installed the new kubuntu 5.10 and amd having problems with my screen going corrupt after several minutes of use ? i have gf6600 and using the preinstalled 7667 driver 
[05:23] <alakhia> gsuveg: now, when I do install kubuntu-desktop, I get 175 new packages
[05:23] <Earthen> Kamping_Kaiser: ok
[05:23] <kkathman> lz1gjd: what kind of video card/software?
[05:23] <gsuveg> alakhia: good
[05:23] <buga> remove -s if the output is good
[05:23] <DaSkreech> kkathman: can you script Photoshop?
[05:23] <DaSkreech> So that you can use it as an engine?
[05:24] <kkathman> DaSkreech: script?
[05:24] <alakhia> gsuveg: will start this now and wait! :-)
[05:24] <gsuveg> good to head
[05:24] <gsuveg> s/head/hear
[05:24] <kkathman> DaSkreech: can you give me an example of what you'd be trying to do?
[05:24] <DaSkreech> kkathman: Like find this drop in tone and then blur it this many pixels in all directions  or down a gradient
[05:24] <alakhia> gsuveg:  thanks a lot for all your help! :-)
[05:25] <lz1gjd> oops it did it again and im writing blindly, will reboot 
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Then apply that to 800 pictures
[05:25] <kkathman> DaSkreech: hmm, I've done the former lots of times, but not the latter.
[05:25] <buga> alakhia: kubuntu-desktop contains unversioned dependencies, so it won't downgrade your kde 3.5beta1 packages
[05:26] <gsuveg> alakhia: yw
[05:26] <kkathman> DaSkreech: answer is...I dont know about that, I am still on version 7.1 also, and I hear that PS8 with Elements does a tremendous amount of "bulk" capabilities, but I havent used it
[05:26] <Earthen> Kamping_Kaiser: thank you very much!
[05:26] <alakhia> gsuveg: oh, and ksysguard from 3.5 was uncompatible with 3.4.3 ...
[05:27] <alakhia> gsuveg: I think I will upgrade to beta2 instead ...
[05:28] <gsuveg> alakhia: sry. im a poor user. not developer
[05:28] <kkathman> DaSkreech: I dont know why you'd want that particular capability tho... the "tone" you pick could appear in many places in your photo or graphic, sometimes you'd want to change it other times not...I know you can bulk change color A with Color B.
[05:28] <spiral> hi
[05:28] <alakhia> gsuveg: well, you've been very helpful nonetheless
[05:29] <kkathman> DaSkreech: I just did a quick scan of Photoshop CS (8) and yes it has the bulk capability you speak of.
[05:30] <DaSkreech> Cool :-)
[05:30] <alakhia> gsuveg: ok, off to work. See you around! :)
[05:31] <seezer> kkathman: do you use PS on linux?
[05:33] <gsuveg> alakhia: i works too
[05:33] <kkathman> seezer: I tried using both wine and that other emulator, and it really didnt give me the productivity or resolution I needed
[05:34] <seezer> that's what i wanted to ask next. is it usable ;)
[05:34] <seezer> did you try this crossover thingy?
[05:34] <kkathman> so I have a very powerful winbox that I do video, audio and graphics on, but develop things on linux
[05:34] <kkathman> seezer: yes
[05:35] <kkathman> seezer: photoshop works under both.  But its definitely not the solution for me.
[05:37] <kkathman> seezer: in general, linux doesnt have the "industrial strength" multimedia things. And I wouldnt expect it to.  Many software houses create and distribute to the most popular hardware/OS and these kinds of apps are typically beyond alot of open source developers.
[05:38] <seezer> kkathman: good that i don't _need_ those tools :) nice to have them at home, and there's nothing better than OSS :)
[05:38] <kkathman> I sure hope that more companies liks Macromedia, Adobe,  Pinnacle etc will see their way to put together some of these intiatives in the future, but its doubtful because of support issues.
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> how do you disconnect a session using screen?
[05:39] <seezer> i can understand you - but haven't heard of someone using PS as a "professional" and tried it on linux
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> im to tired to understand man pages right now :(
[05:39] <seezer> that's why i asked :)
[05:39] <raphink> what do you mean Kamping_Kaiser ?
[05:39] <raphink> you mean shut down the comp from kde?
[05:40] <kkathman> seezer: yes, Im sure you will never hear of someone that makes a living in graphic design use linux exclusively.
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, i mean the program 'screen', which lets you disconnect from a remote computer, but leaving everying running as it was. its a terminal thing (for ssh)
[05:40] <kkathman> again Im hopeful but not expecting it :)
[05:40] <raphink> kkathman: pixar is on linux now
[05:40] <raphink> using maya, gimp, etc.
[05:40] <seezer> ha :)
[05:40] <kkathman> raphink: yeah thats a good thing too!  They have their own developers which is great for them..but not for us guys out here :(
[05:41] <raphink> ;)
[05:41] <kkathman> wish they'd share :)
[05:42] <nikkia> kkathman: most of pixar's programs wouldn't be useful to the rest of the world anyway, from what i've seen
[05:42] <nikkia> and a lot of it ties heavily into renderman stuff
[05:43] <raphink> k
[05:43] <kkathman> nikkia: yeah you are right about that 
[05:43] <kkathman> be back in a bit...eye doctor appt..
[05:44] <nikkia> two nikkis in one channel, what are the odds? :)
[05:44] <elliptic> hey
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Peter Jackson is making the halo Movie
[05:45] <DaSkreech> For microsoft
[05:45] <DaSkreech> solely on Linux Servers :-)
[05:45] <elliptic> I am wanting to add some kubuntu packages from text mode...  any help?
[05:45] <nikkia> elliptic: apt-get or aptitude
[05:45] <nikkia> elliptic: personally i use aptitude for everything
[05:45] <elliptic> thanks
[05:46] <apokryphos> well, not always, but often
[05:48] <nikkia> Pupeno: its one of those 'once you're used to it, everything else seems strange' things
[05:48] <Pupeno> nikkia: like vim.
[05:49] <nikkia> Pupeno: or emacs :)
[05:49] <nikkia> how odd, it seems MS *have* broken the win32 headers in VC++ 2005
[05:49] <Pupeno> nikkia: I would say emacs is a little more friendly than vim, I mean, anybody can run emacs and write. You can't say the same with vim (disclaimer: I am a vimer myself).
[05:50] <nikkia> Pupeno: true to an extent, except GNU emacs tends to be strange if you don't know the keys to do things like exit :)
[05:50] <nikkia> xemacs does at least display the common shortcut keys at startup
[05:50] <Pupeno> :)
[05:51] <elliptic> hmmm...  why is it telling me that kubuntu 5.10 has no emacs?
[05:51] <elliptic> "No candidate version found for emacs"
[05:52] <nikkia> elliptic: its probably not called 'emacs' thats why, it'll be emacs-21.3 or something
[05:52] <nikkia> !find emacs
[05:52] <nikkia> !info emacs21
[05:52] <ubotu> emacs21: (The GNU Emacs editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.4a-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1946 kB, Installed size: 5908 kB
[05:52] <nikkia> try that :)
[05:52] <elliptic> thanks ubotu
[05:53] <elliptic> that worked
[05:53] <seezer> greets from eliza ;)
[05:53] <nikkia> (its probably impossible to have a 'emacs' metapackage too, since i would bet that emacs21 and xemacsXX both provide a fake package called 'emacs' that all the elc packages depend on)
[05:54] <_mars> How can i upgrade QT?
[05:54] <elliptic> thanks for your help, everyone!
[05:55] <Pupeno> _mars: short answer: yes... but why ?
[05:57] <Pupeno> _mars: just do apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; and you'll have the lattest version of Qt which is considered sane and stable by the Kubuntu devs, anything else is asking for trouble.
[06:02] <Bulwinkle> howdy all
[06:03] <Bulwinkle> Has anyone had any problems with 5.10 users not getting mailboxes?
[06:13] <ToXedVirus> hei people, im using nvidias drivers and i got a nvidia card, but the accelration doesnt work at all, and the fan of the vga starts to work very load ... 
[06:14] <ToXedVirus> maybie there are some fixes for this thingy bingy ?
[06:18] <el-stupido> whats the command to config nvidia drivers?
[06:18] <samx> anybody an idea why I can't unlock my X sessions?
[06:18] <ToXedVirus> nvidia-glx-config
[06:19] <el-stupido> ToXedVirus  thankyou
[06:20] <samx> in /var/log/auth.log I find Oct 20 18:14:43 localhost unix_chkpwd[8695] : check pass; user unknown
[06:21] <samx> but I can log in normally
[06:21] <el-stupido> ToXedVirus  it wont let me configure it just says changes incorporated (enable glx)
[06:22] <azertyuuu> hey all, i need the command to reconfigure my screen/monitor/resolution   but i can't remember 
[06:23] <_sveri> azertyuuu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:23] <azertyuuu> ah thanx
[06:23] <_sveri> azertyuuu: i wrote you some hours ago, but unfortunately you went before i could post
[06:23] <ToXedVirus> el-stupido: nvidia-glx-config enable 
[06:23] <ToXedVirus> ?
[06:23] <azertyuuu> lol, in that time, i reinstalled kubuntu TWICE :)
[06:24] <samx> any idea would be appreciated...
[06:24] <el-stupido> ToXedVirus  that just enables glx .. i want to make some more settings
[06:24] <azertyuuu> and i have to mention that i certainly WON't use crtl+alt+backspace anymore
[06:24] <azertyuuu> that's the root of all evil
[06:24] <ToXedVirus> el-stupido: nano -w /etc/xorg.conf ? nvidia-settings ?
[06:24] <ToXedVirus> el-stupido: apt-get install nvidia-settings
[06:25] <el-stupido> ToXedVirus  ok
[06:28] <azertyuuu> my question, how can i leave X and restart again, without using ctrl+alt+backspace
[06:28] <ToXedVirus> i hope that a update works 
[06:29] <kkathman> azertyuuu: why is it that you want to leave X?
[06:29] <azertyuuu> i made changes to xorg.conf
[06:30] <kkathman> ahh... ok
[06:30] <kkathman> why not reboot? get a clean startup?
[06:30] <asraniel> is there somewhere a hardware compatibility list for ubuntu?
[06:30] <azertyuuu> there are other tricks
[06:30] <kkathman> you can go to the konsole and stop and start X I think...depending on how you set things up
[06:32] <samx> asraniel: theoretically everything that works with linux should work with Ubuntu... you can look at the SuSE hardware list for example
[06:32] <kkathman> but ctrl-alt-backspace is the right way I think
[06:34] <seezer> restart kdm by /etc/init.d/kdm restart is also a clean thing
[06:34] <kkathman> yep
[06:49] <DrSpin> quick question -- I want to mount /dev/hdb1 chown=joeuser chgrp=justagroup -- all files added to this folder should automagically be chown and chgrp accordingly... anyone know how to do this?
[06:55] <kkathman> DrSpin: you should use the -r option
[06:55] <DrSpin> kkathman: -r when I mv/cp or -r on the mount?
[06:56] <kkathman> when you do your chown
[06:56] <kkathman> or chmod
[06:56] <kkathman> etc
[06:56] <kkathman> mount wont make a diff I dont think
[06:56] <DrSpin> I don't want to have to chown or chmod -- I want it to be automagic
[06:56] <DrSpin> and I know it can be done -- just haven't been able to figure out how
[06:56] <kkathman> ohhh you mean on everything on that drive?
[06:56] <DrSpin> exactly
[06:56] <DrSpin> :)
[06:57] <kkathman> cant you do a -r from the root?
[06:57] <DrSpin> ??
[06:57] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[06:57] <kkathman> kinda drastic
[06:57] <DrSpin> oh yeah -- but again -- I want it to be automagic
[06:58] <kkathman> DrSpin: when you install, everything is set to root:root I think except your user files
[06:58] <kkathman> so anything else has to be set I believe..I dont know of anything off hand that changes ownership or group except chown
[06:58] <mars_> What schould i write in apt get to install java for breezy?
[06:58] <DrSpin> for example I copy fila.ogg of which joeuser is owner/group when I copy it to /mount/point I want it to be chown joeuser and chgrp group1
[06:59] <kkathman> DrSpin: assuming that fila.ogg was different before?
[07:00] <kkathman> !tell mars about java
[07:00] <kkathman> oops
[07:00] <kkathman> !tell mars_ about java
[07:00] <kkathman> check your PM
[07:00] <mars_> Ye
[07:01] <mars_> Where can i find list of what bot can !rell me
[07:01] <DrSpin> kkathman: there is no assumption -- fila.ogg was different before -- should I set a cron scipt that changes the permissions?? can I do a cron script that runs on each new file created in a particular filesystem?
[07:02] <kkathman> DrSpin: well ya I guess you could...but what it sounds like is that you want any file copied to a location to inherit the ownership and group of that location
[07:02] <kkathman> is that right?
[07:02] <DrSpin> exactly
[07:02] <DrSpin> the cron idea was one I had for a dirty hack solution
[07:03] <kkathman> hmmm I really dont know if thats possible...ask in #ubuntu and see if they can help you there...someone there will know some esoteric command string to do it I imagine :)
[07:03] <DrSpin> LOL
[07:03] <kkathman> Im not the best on the command line :)
[07:03] <DrSpin> thanks :)
[07:03] <DrSpin> I'm sure there's an esoteric fstab option for it
[07:04] <kkathman> mars_: http://www.ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:04] <kkathman> DrSpin: if you find out...will you let me know
[07:04] <DrSpin> yeah
[07:04] <kkathman> thanks
[07:04] <DrSpin> np
[07:08] <_manveru> i certainly didn't say today that kubuntu absolutly rocks, right? :)
[07:08] <DrSpin> cp -a will force inheritance -- now how to give it to FSTAB
[07:10] <kkathman> _manveru: I dont know if you said that or not...did you mean to?
[07:10] <kkathman> DrSpin: right I knew that -a would but that automagically requirement kinda threw me
[07:10] <kkathman> but that seems to help you
[07:11] <DrSpin> it's a step closer to what I'm needing :)
[07:11] <_manveru> kkathman: maybe i'm only in awe of KDE, but ubuntu really add the last missing piece in the puzzle
[07:11] <_manveru> add+s
[07:11] <kkathman> _manveru: well glad you like it :)
[07:12] <ToXedVirus> poeple i dont know what to do, I installed the nvidia drivers, the fan is working very loud, but there is not grafix acceleration
[07:12] <ToXedVirus> geforce 7800gtx ? maybie someone had already these problems ?
[07:12] <_manveru> kkathman: i just spent 2 hours playing with kde... that hardly can be called productive
[07:13] <kkathman> _manveru: 2 hours?? well getting acquainted with all the options can take some time for sure
[07:14] <kkathman> hey there tvo :)
[07:14] <_manveru> kkathman: the problem with that is... i'm using KDE since version 1.1 or something
[07:14] <adrianoc> help-me please ... where apt-get update, say ... alha ao baixar http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum incorreto
[07:14] <_manveru> and i'm still absolutly astonished :)
[07:14] <kkathman> _manveru: yah I hear KDE 3.5 will be even better, but its not quite ready yet
[07:15] <tvo> hi kkathman  :)
[07:15] <_manveru> kkathman: i know... haven't got any reason to try the beta2, but waiting for it anyway
[07:15] <DrSpin> where in KDE can I setup my multimedia keys?
[07:16] <_manveru> i never realized that Kontakt has become so powerful
[07:16] <DrSpin> switching from Fluxbox and trying out KDE...
[07:16] <_manveru> DrSpin: try the program 'xev'
[07:17] <_manveru> DrSpin: out of the console... and press your buttons
[07:17] <DrSpin> doesn't work for the multimedia keys -- already tried
[07:17] <adrianoc> help-me please ... where apt-get update, say ... alha ao baixar http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum incorreto
[07:17] <_manveru> so i'm sorry for you... if x doesn't get them, your KDE certainly won't
[07:18] <kkathman> DrSpin: do you mean the function keys for the apps or some specific things for say, the music player?
[07:18] <_manveru> there might be a way via /proc/acpi/events tho...
[07:18] <kkathman> Each KDE App has its own shortcut F keys that can be configured per application.
[07:19] <DrSpin> I'm most concerned about making the volume and tracking buttons work
[07:19] <after8> adrianoc, it dont matter..... 
[07:19] <kkathman> DrSpin: They should be on your player application
[07:20] <_manveru> kkathman: if the keys are not mapped to X, they can't be used for shortcuts...
[07:21] <kkathman> _manveru: Each K-application has its own shortcuts that can be individually mapped
[07:21] <_manveru> kkathman: that's correct, but what if KDE doesn't know that the key is pressed?
[07:22] <kkathman> _manveru: im not following...I've never had a problem with any application's shortcuts
[07:22] <_manveru> kkathman: you don't have one of those multimedia-keyboards, right?
[07:22] <kkathman> you go to Konqueror...go to "Configure Shortcuts" and type what you want
[07:23] <kkathman> _manveru: Oh ok...yah I see what you mean now...gotcha
[07:23] <_manveru> ^^
[07:23] <kkathman> I dont even enable sound on my box
[07:23] <kkathman> no need for it
[07:23] <_manveru> i got my laptop playing for me...
[07:24] <_manveru> and since i use amarok, i never used the buttons anyway
[07:24] <kkathman> any audio or video apps that I use are on my Win box
[07:24] <DrSpin> kkathman: it doesn't recognize the multimedia controls
[07:24] <DrSpin> kkathman: why do you have windows
[07:24] <after8> lol
[07:25] <kkathman> DrSpin: because  Linux sux at multimedia applications for graphics, audio and video... which is my livelihood :)
[07:25] <_manveru> DrSpin: the problem with the buttons is common... there are some good solutions for it - just have to dig it out
[07:26] <_manveru> DrSpin: http://www.kde-forum.org/thread.php?threadid=13534
[07:26] <kkathman> But even still I have 3 Linux boxes and 1 Windows :)
[07:27] <kevman> Oooh. OpenOffice 2 is out... 
[07:27] <kkathman> kevman: yep, but have you looked at K-office?
[07:28] <_manveru> KOffice got better? :)
[07:28] <kkathman> _manveru: Havent looked at OO2 yet, but Im reasonably impressed with K-office :)
[07:29] <_manveru> kkathman: my #1 reason for using OO was the crossplatform-approach, sharing documents became easy
[07:29] <_manveru> i guess i don't have KOffice installed...
[07:30] <kkathman> but isnt OO2 distributed with the kubuntu-desktop in breezy...I have oo2 on my install
[07:30] <seezer> _manveru: since they use the open document format, it's not depending on OO any more
[07:30] <kkathman> _manveru: yes your reasoning is very valid
[07:30] <_manveru> seezer: so does KOffice handle OO-files now?
[07:30] <_manveru> btw, i got OO lying around, never started it...
[07:31] <seezer> that's what you can read everywhere. didn't test it. :)
[07:31] <_manveru> and it is indeed OO2
[07:31] <kkathman> Koffice has some really nice components...including a Visio-lite kind of app
[07:31] <seezer> kkathman: better then 'dia'?
[07:31] <kkathman> seezer: honestly dont know...never tried dia
[07:32] <seezer> dia is quite good, but got little problems which make you shout bad things..
[07:33] <kkathman> I also like the "control center" for K-Office...all apps from a single starter panel...very nice
[07:33] <_manveru> hmm, OO2 is almost the same as the first one...
[07:33] <_manveru> i mean, i haven't read the changelog... but there is nothing that got my attention
[07:33] <asraniel> anyone knows the name of the X developement libraries?
[07:34] <_manveru> xserver-xorg-dev or something?
[07:34] <_manveru> just ask your adept and search for x and dev
[07:35] <asraniel> _manveru: problem is, searching for 2 words doesent work
[07:35] <asraniel> it searchs for "x dev" and not x +dev
[07:35] <_manveru> uh...
[07:36] <_manveru> x*dev ?
[07:36] <buz> since i upgraded to kde 3.5b2 (from b1) amarok wont work anymore
[07:36] <buz> anyone else with that issue?
[07:36] <_manveru> nothing
[07:37] <asraniel> _manveru: like i said, searching for 2 words isnt supported.
[07:37] <_manveru> asraniel: that's odd... did install them some time ago on my debian-system
[07:38] <_manveru> asraniel: but somehow the name is different
[07:38] <kkathman> buz: there are many problems with 3.5b2...probably was released too soon
[07:38] <asraniel> i installed libx11-dev, but i have a app that want more to compile: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[07:39] <dipnlik> hi all. I installed opera on my kubuntu and when i open it it says something about not finding the plugins folder and tells me to install motif. how do I fix this?
[07:39] <_manveru> asraniel: there is an option for 'Role: "sw:devel-lib"'
[07:41] <_manveru> xlibs-static-dev maybe?
[07:42] <buz> kkathman: the others listed i can live with
[07:42] <buz> but no sound? that sucks
[07:42] <buz> well maybe the alsa downgrade helps
[07:42] <ToXedVirus> peeeeooople, kubuntu 5.10 amd64, the nvidia driver doesnt work, does someone know WHY ?!
[07:43] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: i know, i know! - you haven't got a graphics-card?
[07:44] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: do you have some more info concerning your problem?
[07:44] <ToXedVirus> i gotta 7800gtx, when the X server starts, the fan starts to work very very load 
[07:44] <ToXedVirus> and no gfx acceleration 
[07:45] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: you tried the acceleration using what?
[07:45] <ToXedVirus> em only kde
[07:46] <ToXedVirus> tried to install tuxracer, but there are no packages on the servers
[07:46] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: and KDE says, hey, i haven't got acceleration?
[07:47] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: i got tuxracer on my repo...
[07:48] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: not sure it is in universe, but you might want to allow apps from universe too
[07:48] <ToXedVirus> so can you give me the entry ? 
[07:49] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ihQSoz46.html - just pick what you want
[07:50] <asraniel> _manveru: great, got the right libds. was xlib :-)
[07:51] <Toxix> hello
[07:51] <_manveru> asraniel: great :)
[07:52] <kkathman> Hi Toxix
[07:52] <Toxix> how to mount ext3 partition??
[07:53] <kkathman> Toxix: did you define one at installation?
[07:53] <ToXedVirus> mount /dev/hda1 /somedir
[07:53] <kkathman> right  :)
[07:53] <Toxix> thx
[07:55] <xvila> who
[07:59] <Masura> Hello everyone.
[07:59] <kkathman> hi Masura :)
[07:59] <virus> _manveru: are you using kubuntu for amd64 ?
[07:59] <Masura> What's up?
[07:59] <kkathman> nada
[08:00] <_manveru> virus: nope... should it be any different?
[08:00] <Boronk> no flash
[08:00] <Boronk> no working java in firefox
[08:00] <kkathman> Boronk: install it
[08:00] <Boronk> does not work
[08:00] <kkathman> yes it does
[08:01] <kkathman> !tell Boronk about java
[08:01] <Boronk> i installed blackdown
[08:01] <kkathman> !tell Boronk about flash
[08:02] <Toxix> how to mount ext3 partition with full access??
[08:02] <kkathman> I have both working on both Opera and Firefox
[08:02] <virus> _manveru: yes it should, coes im getting all the time these fu********* mesages like,
[08:02] <virus> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://at.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/at.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:02] <Boronk> and most swf things do not work with gplflash
[08:03] <_manveru> virus: the same on my side... there is another problem involved here
[08:03] <Boronk> and then there is on little libdvdcss2 problem
[08:03] <kkathman> Boronk: dont know what to tell you...I get flash sites just fine
[08:03] <matto> virus : I dont think backports is working yet dude.
[08:03] <Boronk> with amd64
[08:03] <Boronk> ??
[08:03] <virus> yes
[08:03] <virus> or no
[08:03] <virus> no 
[08:04] <kkathman> well you didnt mention amd64, but I dont think that should matter if you installed the correct breezy version on your machine
[08:04] <Boronk> so.. i386 was never a problem
[08:04] <Boronk> but amd64 is
[08:04] <_manveru> W: Kann nicht auf die Liste http://at.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/at.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) der Quellpakete zugreifen. - stat (2 Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden)
[08:04] <Boronk> no libdvdcss2 , only a avil hack
[08:04] <kkathman> I cant speak personally for amd64
[08:04] <_manveru> [sorry for the german - but it is the same error...] 
[08:04] <virus> du armer _manveru  ^^ 
[08:05] <_manveru> either it's a problem with the repo, but the de-one doesn't work as well...
[08:05] <libben> lol, forgot the editors name
[08:05] <libben> vi and whats the other one
[08:05] <_manveru> or it's something i just never saw... some extremly hidden option
[08:05] <_manveru> libben: emacs, nano
[08:06] <libben> nano was the one
[08:06] <libben> thxs
[08:06] <libben> totally blanked on that
[08:07] <libben> what to type to reload .bashrc?
[08:07] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: sorry, but i can't PM you, i'm not registered
[08:08] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: if you've got some IM, write me the address in the PM
[08:11] <_mars> ?
[08:12] <_mars> Is it?
[08:14] <greg> hi all, i have kubuntu installed, and wanted to add gcompris
[08:14] <greg> which is in edubuntu
[08:14] <greg> is there a different sources list that I can add so that I can just install the binary?
[08:15] <greg> b/c it's not showing up as a package from the kubuntu lists
[08:15] <lwells> Is there a good wireless access point sniffer on Linux??
[08:16] <after8> lwells apt-cache search wifi or sniffer
[08:16] <after8> g!info gcompris
[08:16] <after8> !info gcompris
[08:16] <ubotu> gcompris: (Educational games for small children), section games, is optional. Version: 6.5.3-2+7.0.2ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 217 kB, Installed size: 856 kB
[08:17] <after8> greg, same repositories for k/ubuntu
[08:17] <greg> hmm, i did a search with synaptic and it didn't show up
[08:18] <after8> greg weir... try simple apt-get...
[08:19] <_manveru> !info tuxracer
[08:19] <ubotu> tuxracer: (dummy transition package), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.61-7 (breezy), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 44 kB
[08:19] <_manveru> ah, so it's in universe...
[08:19] <_manveru> but why is it a dummy?
[08:20] <greg> weird...i guess the packages database was not refreshed since the install
[08:20] <greg> b/c i just reloaded from all sources and voila there is gcompris
[08:22] <greg> thanks after8
[08:31] <lwells> i loaded an application from Adept , but it does not show up on the menu
[08:32] <hussam> lwells: what app?
[08:32] <lwells> Airsnort
[08:32] <_mars> Is it possible to downgrade KDE?
[08:32] <kkathman> downgrade?
[08:33] <kkathman> you mean from like the beta2?
[08:33] <mornfall> possible yes, easy no
[08:33] <lwells> trying to find a good wifi sniff program 
[08:33] <after8> hi pete :)
[08:34] <mornfall> after8: are you addressing me or someone else? :)
[08:34] <after8> mornfall, you ;)   
[08:34] <mornfall> after8: hi there then ;-)
[08:34] <mornfall> *tired*
[08:34] <lwells> want to be able to make a connection, if there is an open access point
[08:35] <kkathman> anyone had any luck with a good newsgroup program?
[08:35] <el-stupido> if i want to move an ini file from windows onto linux .. will it work?
[08:36] <after8> mornfall, nice one on adept 1.0 though, works lovely :)
[08:36] <_mars_> OK is it safe to upgrade KDE to KDE 3.5 Beta 2 ?
[08:36] <after8> el-stupido, it will copy.
[08:36] <el-stupido> its an ini file for the same game .. just the ini on windows is config'd
[08:36] <after8> el-stupido, should do then.....
[08:36] <kkathman> _mars_: dont upgrade to beta2
[08:36] <_mars_> ok
[08:36] <_mars_> thanks
[08:36] <mornfall> _mars_: safe as in you won't contract an STD yes... otherwise, i don't think so =)
[08:36] <el-stupido> okay.. i tried that but the binds that I had set wont work
[08:37] <after8> how do you upgrade to beta 2? im on b1 now
[08:37] <_mars_> He he i have problems with installing deco and i thougt upgradeing will help :;;/
[08:37] <after8> er no im not actually, im on e17
[08:37] <xxenon> I'm upgrading to Koalition...I hope it's safe :)
[08:37] <mornfall> after8: hmm, e17, is that the real one or the mythological one? :)
[08:38] <after8> the not finished one.
[08:38] <lwells> How do i add a application to the KDE menu
[08:38] <mornfall> it's never finished
[08:38] <mornfall> it just crashes less at some points :)
[08:38] <mornfall> (about software in general)
[08:41] <kkathman> xxenon: what's Koalition?
[08:42] <_mars_> At all is it possible to downgrade to hoary :)
[08:42] <_mars_> I have a lot of problems with breezy and in fact i dont know why
[08:43] <_mars_> I hate having problems cause i dont know what to do then
[08:43] <_mars_> For example
[08:43] <_mars_> I was trying to compile crystal GL style
[08:43] <xxenon> kkathman - release name for 3.5 beta 2
[08:43] <_mars_> and i turned to make aftyer compile
[08:44] <_mars_> And there was a lot of qt problems :/
[08:44] <_mars_> I am noob and i dont know how to get over it
[08:44] <getaceres> _mars_: It's difficult to do such a thing. Is it possible to downgrade a few packages, but it's nearly impossible to downgrade hundreds of packages
[08:44] <_mars_> I see
[08:44] <puckman> Does anyone have any problems with Kubuntu lacking sound after waking up from suspention ?
[08:44] <kkathman> xxenon: ahh ok...you might want to be careful then...its VERY buggy
[08:44] <_mars_> My sound doesent work at all :)
[08:45] <getaceres> _mars_: what kind of errors do you get?
[08:45] <_mars_> wait i will compile it again
[08:45] <xxenon> kkathman - what sort of bugs ?
[08:46] <xxenon> kkathman - (I just suspended the upgrade actually...)
[08:46] <_mars_> What is the name of the site where i can paste log?
[08:46] <jjesse> pastebin.com
[08:46] <jjesse> www.pastebin.com
[08:47] <vicks> kubuntu.pastebin.com even
[08:49] <_mars_> http://pastebin.com/400141 here it is 
[08:49] <_mars_> ./configure is ok
[08:49] <puckman> _mars what have you tried?
[08:50] <puckman> Sound works fine, but when I hibernate the machine and wake it up again i get no sound
[08:50] <puckman> amarok works, shows its playing, bars go up and down, no errors but no sound
[08:50] <puckman> a restart fixes it
[08:50] <raingrove> puckman try "sudo killall artsd"
[08:51] <_mars> :/
[08:51] <pointwood> anyone else running breezy/kde 3.5beta2 and have sound problems? sound doesn't work in mplayer and Kaffeine and amarok crashes when I try to play some music
[08:51] <puckman> no joy raingrove
[08:51] <pointwood> Juk works though
[08:54] <_mars> I think i will write again to maker of this style
[08:54] <raingrove> :(
[08:55] <puckman> maybe i could try a different engine
[08:55] <_mars> Is breezy stabile version?
[08:56] <raingrove> does anyone know how to make openoffice use KDE or GNOME's font anti-aliasing settings ?
[08:56] <getaceres> _mars: Yes, breezy is considered the stable Ubunt version
[08:56] <_robin> hello all, need a little help, i reinstalled my os becasue of all the issues with kde beta 2, i cant find the souce to add to my source list to get mplayer and w32codes, any one have it?
[08:57] <after8> !tell _robin about restricted
[08:57] <_mars> hmm
[08:57] <_mars> maybe i need to update qt. How can i do it?
[09:00] <pointwood> can I downgrade to plain breezy from kde3.5beta2?
[09:00] <getaceres> /tell _mars there's no newer version of QT apart from QT4, which is incompatible with QT3 and so, it cannot be installed with KDE
[09:00] <_robin> #after8 thanks
[09:01] <after8> :)
[09:01] <kkathman> Does anyone know of another newsgroup reader/processor other than pan and knode?
[09:01] <Boronk> gnus
[09:01] <Boronk> xnews
[09:02] <kkathman> Boronk: those dont sound like KDE apps tho
[09:02] <getaceres> kkathman: Have you looked at www.kde-apps.org?
[09:03] <Boronk> sounds like very old x apps
[09:03] <Boronk> perhaps emacs can run kde
[09:04] <kkathman> getaceres: yah...well, another source gave me somethings like knews, krn and klibido
[09:04] <Boronk> libido sounds funny
[09:04] <kkathman> Boronk: I think its a binary downloader...probably for porn
[09:05] <Boronk> ah, well
[09:06] <kkathman> ah there are several in kynaptic
[09:06] <kkathman> but most are not kde :(
[09:07] <kkathman> Im used to newsbin pro in windows...its VERY good
[09:07] <Boronk> this is probably no problem
[09:07] <Boronk> gimp is not kde
[09:07] <Boronk> and OOo also
[09:07] <kkathman> lol
[09:07] <Boronk> they will work perfectly
[09:08] <kkathman> oh no question...I just kinda would like a K-program if at all possible ..then I'll go from there
[09:08] <after8> kkathman, create an alias ;)
[09:08] <kkathman> pan is a gnome newsreader I think..and so is pine
[09:08] <Boronk> pine is console...
[09:08] <kkathman> an alias for what?
[09:09] <kkathman> and why?
[09:09] <Boronk> one could call it kpan and make the gtk theme look like plastik
[09:09] <after8> yeah :)
[09:09] <Boronk> kimp 
[09:09] <kkathman> Boronk: oh sure...thats not a prob
[09:09] <kkathman> haha
[09:09] <kkathman> well I dont like gimp anyway 
[09:09] <Boronk> any better imaging tools than gimp?
[09:10] <kkathman> Boronk:  have you looked at Krita?
[09:10] <Boronk> no... 
[09:10] <kkathman> Boronk: well Im a Photoshop user so Im spoiled :)
[09:10] <Boronk> but i dont think krita is as featurerich as gimp
[09:11] <kkathman> but Krita is nice, but its still being enhanced...still its much easier and intuitive than gimp
[09:11] <kkathman> no thats probably true
[09:11] <kkathman> gimp was thrown together so badly tho...not intuitive at all
[09:12] <Boronk> 2.4 is ok
[09:12] <Tm_T> kkathman: define intuitive?
[09:12] <kkathman> if you were learning it from scratch and had never ever used anything else..it would probably be ok for most uses tho
[09:12] <Boronk> Tm_T: photoshop-a-like
[09:12] <Tm_T> Boronk: exactly
[09:12] <Tm_T> Boronk: and who say only that is how things should be done?
[09:13] <kkathman> Tm_T: Ive used a few graphics progs in my time...among them PSP and Photoshop..and both are intuitive
[09:13] <kkathman> to me at least
[09:13] <Boronk> all the photoshop-fanboys-so
[09:13] <kkathman> its all in what you learned to begin with I think
[09:13] <Boronk> wonder how you found to linux
[09:13] <Tm_T> kkathman: well, thats only how you are used to do, if you are used only gimp-like programs and start now use photoshop, you propably would call it unintuitive
[09:13] <Boronk> windows must be much more intuitiv
[09:14] <Tm_T> I'm happy with gimp, though found some lacks in it
[09:14] <Tm_T> never used to use Photoshop
[09:14] <Tm_T> PSP is ok
[09:14] <kkathman> Tm_T:  maybe, but I started with something other than photoshop, then moved to Paint Shop Pro, and then to Photoshop...so..I think I can at least speak from experience in saying that those have certain things in common...and gimp was very different than all of them
[09:15] <Tm_T> kkathman: true
[09:15] <Tm_T> kkathman: but I think people use couple words too easily these days: bloat and intuitive
[09:15] <Tm_T> without really thinkinw what they are saying
[09:15] <kkathman> since it is my work and my livelihood, I really cant afford to go through a long learning curve to learn something fairly non-standard
[09:16] <Boronk> gimp has some basic features missing: circle and boxes
[09:16] <Tm_T> kkathman: true
[09:16] <Tm_T> Boronk: no its not?
[09:16] <Tm_T> Boronk: but I never found point-to-point selection
[09:16] <Boronk> how can i draw a circle? easily?
[09:16] <kkathman> Tm_T: call it whatever you want..PS is very powerful, very standard in the industry, and you can just do anything in it
[09:16] <kkathman> so I continue to use it :)
[09:17] <kkathman> hehe
[09:17] <Boronk> kkathman: windows is the same... industry standard, more apps etc
[09:17] <kkathman> Boronk: well, but there are certain apps that you can get in Linux that work as well or better right?
[09:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: true, if you have it and you find it easy to use, use it
[09:18] <kkathman> There isnt a Linux graphics editor that can touch Photoshop's capabilities...nor is there anything in Linux that will allow you to create Flash like Macromedia's program...etc...its an app thing
[09:18] <kkathman> there are just some things that open source programmers havent really tackled yet
[09:18] <kkathman> for the masses that is
[09:19] <kkathman> I just use what's good for me :)
[09:19] <kkathman> hehe
[09:19] <Tm_T> you should
[09:19] <Tm_T> as long as you can afford
[09:19] <Tm_T> to me, nogo
[09:19] <kkathman> but I'll admit my requirements are different than most and that gimp would surely work fine for most people :)
[09:20] <raingrove> i agree
[09:20] <kkathman> Tm_T:  ya its price prohibitive, but when its your business right...you get the best
[09:20] <Tm_T> kkathman: true
[09:20] <raingrove> that's one of the reasons other than games that makes me  still hold on to a windows partition
[09:21] <kkathman> raingrove: yep me too...my winbox is mostly audio, video and graphics
[09:21] <Boronk> the new power mac looks nice
[09:22] <Tm_T> kkathman: but, atleast to me, OS apps are enough, I can do all I need to do: meaning all my desktop graphics
[09:23] <ToXedVirus> can i use 32bit programs on amd64 ?
[09:23] <kkathman> Tm_T: yep...and whatever meets your needs the best on your budget...thats great :)
[09:23] <Tm_T> kkathman: yup, matter of choices
[09:25] <raingrove> linux has a significantly higher market share than OS X if i am not wrong
[09:26] <raingrove> i wonder why Adobe, Macromedia, Corel, Discreet, Autodesk and other companies dont make apps available for linux
[09:26] <raingrove> when they do it for Mac OS X
[09:27] <MenZa`> Yeah :(
[09:27] <after8> raingrove, cos they suck and thers no corporation to pay off
[09:28] <raingrove> it's their loss i tell ya
[09:29] <after8> they will all fall one day
[09:30] <puckman> because there is corp support behind osx
[09:30] <puckman> and there are nice alternatives to their apps on linux
[09:30] <puckman> I am happy with my koffice
[09:30] <Eno_> why might firefox be crashing on every java applet? i installed the latest sun java sdk using java-package
[09:30] <puckman> learning blender
[09:30] <Eno_> it generates a .log in my home directory too
[09:30] <puckman> and krita is looking good
[09:31] <Eno_> what should i do...?
[09:32] <kkathman> well Klibido kinda sux...it crashes
[09:32] <kkathman> oh well
[09:32] <kkathman> guess knode is what Im stuck with, but its pretty rudimentary
[09:35] <raingrove> does anyone know where KMenu stores its menu item data
[09:39] <satafterh> anyone know the command to install nvidia driver
[09:40] <frank23> !nvidia
[09:40] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[09:44] <_xpoulet> 'soir
[09:45] <satafterh> how go i fix signatures were invalid
[09:46] <Tm_T> satafterh: ignore
[09:46] <Tm_T> satafterh: nothing important, it's just warning
[09:47] <satafterh> ok
[09:57] <kkathman> so Tm_T can you recommend another newsgroup proggie than knode?
[09:59] <Boronk> pan is better in binary-leeching
[09:59] <kkathman> Boronk:  I'll try that
[10:00] <Tm_T> kkathman: newsgroup... never used em
[10:00] <kkathman> hmm cant find pan in an apt-cache
[10:00] <Tm_T> to me, news are akregator ;)
[10:00] <kkathman> maybe it doesnt exist anymore
[10:01] <frank23> kkathman: hmm?  pan is in main, it should be available
[10:02] <kkathman> frank23:  I did an apt-cache search pan...and got tons of stuff, but no "pan" as an application
[10:02] <kkathman> maybe its called something else
[10:03] <frank23> !info pan
[10:03] <ubotu> pan: (A Newsreader based on GTK2, which looks like Forte Agent), section news, is optional. Version: 0.14.2.91-2ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 451 kB, Installed size: 3608 kB
[10:03] <Boronk> n8
[10:04] <kkathman> ok...great...someone do an apt-cache on it and find it
[10:05] <frank23> kkathman: just try apt-get install pan
[10:05] <frank23> apt-cache doesn't find it here either but synaptic does
[10:06] <kkathman> ok 
[10:16] <ninux> bonjour a tous 
[10:18] <ninux> bye all
[10:22] <thib> Hi, i've got a problem with hotway (breezy up-to -dat), localhost is unreachable, maybeyou have the answer
[10:23] <hetzz> im looking for something like speedfan for kubuntu... is it imposible to find?
[10:24] <zegnus> quit
[10:27] <sozcialbeat> hello all :-)
[10:27] <frank23> hi
[10:28] <sozcialbeat> hmmmm...
[10:29] <sozcialbeat> how about you?
[10:36] <aaronjs> is there an easy way to get rid of the default power now?
[10:36] <aaronjs> it locks up this C3.
[10:36] <sozcialbeat> Anachie and Roch'n Roll !!!
[10:37] <aaronjs> I uninstalled the powernow, but it looks like it is built in the kernel, or in the start up.
[10:42] <slow-motion> n8
[10:42] <aaronjs> ...or should I be asking this question in unbuntu?
[10:43] <kkathman> aaronjs: typically something like that would be best in #ubuntu, here we do mostly KDE questioning..but sometimes there are gurus that know these things too :)
[10:48] <mike__> hey guys, has anyone here ever used "Austrumi" linux ?  
[10:50] <kkathman> mike__: Ive never heard of it actually
[10:53] <Mars> Hi I have Very Big problem
[10:54] <Mars> I compiled crystalGL style
[10:55] <kkathman> yes
[10:55] <Mars> And when i restarted x i noticed kde crash and there is no window deco. No buttons to close window. Notching. And my keyboard doesent work. I am on windows now. I have breezy
[10:55] <kkathman> yes there have been discussions about that in here the last two days. Several people have complained about the crystalGL
[10:56] <Mars> So is there any solution?
[10:57] <Mars> Is there anything I can do with it?
[10:57] <Mars> Or i have to delete Kubuntu?
[10:58] <Mars> Please
[10:59] <Mars> If you "overheard" these people what solution they had?
[11:00] <Mars_> :(
[11:01] <Mars_> I cant find anything about it on google...
[11:02] <Mars_> Extra
[11:02] <kkathman> Mars_: I believe that there were no solutions at this time, but perhaps they might return soon.
[11:03] <kkathman> I personally dont know what the crystalGL is
[11:03] <kkathman> so I cant offer any solution :)
[11:03] <Mars_> It means I am dead...
[11:03] <Mars_> I have to reinstall kubuntu...
[11:04] <kkathman> you can always get to a console and remove kubuntu-desktop and reinstall I suppose
[11:04] <Mars_> No my keyboard doesent work
[11:07] <Mars_> NIce
[11:07] <Mars_> author of this style wrote to me:
[11:07] <Mars_> No support to my GL deco, I warned every one. 
[11:07] <Mars_> And no support to problems that are not closely related to my deco. ;)
[11:08] <Mars_> Idiota
[11:10] <kkathman> yah
[11:10] <kkathman> gotta be kinda careful
[11:10] <kkathman> always good to check with others in here especially to find out if anyone has experience with what you are downloading
[11:13] <woddf2> Haldo
[11:13] <woddf2> How do I remove OpenOffice.org without removing kubuntu-desktop?
[11:15] <woddf2> Haldo
[11:16] <kkathman> woddf2: cant you just apt-get remove ?
[11:16] <woddf2> I used Adept.
[11:16] <dell500> anyone know how to get permissions to the current user, i copied some files that were root owned, now i want to change the owner, do i use chown ?/
[11:16] <woddf2> It threatened to remove kubuntu-desktop.
[11:17] <kkathman> hmmm dont understand that
[11:17] <kkathman> but maybe there are deep ties now...dont know
[11:17] <gerardocb> yes, dell500
[11:17] <gerardocb> but using sudo
[11:17] <woddf2> When I tell it to keep kubuntu-desktop, it gives OpenOffice.org keep status.
[11:18] <dell500> yup
[11:18] <dell500> got it
[11:18] <woddf2> Like this: sudo chown fred:fred foo.bar
[11:18] <kkathman> woddf2: well I dunno then
[11:18] <dell500> lol
[11:18] <kkathman> why do you want to remove it?
[11:18] <woddf2> ?
[11:18] <dell500> foo.bar
[11:18] <woddf2> I like KOffice better.
[11:18] <kkathman> yah me too
[11:18] <kkathman> hehe
[11:19] <kkathman> actually kubuntu installed both oo1 and oo2
[11:19] <kkathman> guess they like it :)
[11:20] <woddf2> KWord loaded faster, but I think that's because I'm on KDE.
[11:20] <kkathman> I like KOffice alot...theyve really worked on it alot
[11:23] <woddf2> That's all I needed to know.
[11:23] <woddf2> Thanks
[11:23] <woddf2> Oodbyegay
[11:31] <_jaypee> kplayer users anybody?
[11:35] <zerotime> hi
[11:35] <zerotime> can someine send me a propper sources.list? I just installed kubuntu, and I just did an apt-get update and I get errors
[11:36] <_jaypee> do you have us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[11:36] <_jaypee> in repository
[11:36] <zerotime> I just installed kubuntu 5.10
[11:36] <_jaypee> oo okay
[11:37] <_jaypee> so that means you do have us.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:37] <_jaypee> let me get you proper link
[11:37] <_jaypee> i had same problem
[11:37] <_jaypee> i think us.archive.ubuntu.com repository is broken
[11:37] <zerotime> well, mine is es.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:38] <zerotime> I installed spanish support on the installation procedure
[11:38] <_jaypee> i am currently using deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:38] <zerotime> that works?
[11:38] <_jaypee> and when i did sudo apt-get update everything was fine
[11:38] <_jaypee> i just took the us off
[11:39] <_jaypee> im sending you my sources.list
[11:39] <_jaypee> so you can look over it
[11:40] <zerotime> thx, that worked like a charm
[11:41] <_jaypee> np =)
[11:41] <_jaypee> glad i helped
[11:41] <zerotime> what about installing amule, xmms, azureus, etc
[11:41] <zerotime> any source?
[11:42] <_jaypee> well amule i know you can install from apt-get
[11:42] <_jaypee> as long as you activate multiverse
[11:42] <onur> Hello, i have upgraded KDE 3.5 now i have the arts crashing. How can i downgrade ? sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*arts*.91-*deb is not working because there's only 92 version
[11:42] <_jaypee> and universe in repository
[11:42] <_jaypee> azureus i believe you can just download from the site
[11:43] <onur> I mean i am trying to downgrade arts
[11:43] <_jaypee> http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
[11:43] <_jaypee> make sure you also install latest java
[11:43] <_jaypee> for some reason azureus doesn't work with old java version
[11:44] <_jaypee> onur, hmm
[11:44] <_jaypee> i don't know how to do it
[11:44] <_jaypee> i had to do a complete reinstall
[11:44] <_jaypee> do you have synaptic installed?
[11:44] <onur> complete reinstall of what ?
[11:45] <_jaypee> complete reinstall of my kubuntu because it became unstable
[11:45] <onur> after upgrading to 3.5 ?
[11:45] <_jaypee> but i believe in synaptic you can force downgrade
[11:45] <zerotime> If I enable multinverse I get errors too
[11:45] <onur> mine looks stable except the arts crashing
[11:46] <_jaypee> onur go into synaptic and see if you can force a downgrade to lower version
[11:46] <onur> The issue has been noticed in knownbugs section of kubuntu website but the solution sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*arts*.91-*deb  is not working
[11:46] <_jaypee> zerotime do you still want to download my sources.list?
[11:47] <onur> _jaypee: is there synaptic in kubuntu ?
[11:47] <mts^> yes
[11:47] <mts^> but its called kynaptic
[11:47] <_jaypee> onur: in kubuntu its adept, but you can install synaptic by sudo apt-get install synaptic
[11:47] <onur> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[11:47] <onur> llike that
[11:47] <onur> ok
[11:48] <_jaypee> yes
[11:48] <_jaypee> it has more features than kubuntu version of synaptic
[11:48] <onur> what else problems did you encounter after upgrading to 3.5 ?
[11:48] <mts^> adept is far nicer than synaptic imo
[11:49] <_jaypee> onur, just arts really
[11:49] <_jaypee> and occasional kicker crash
[11:49] <onur> so you did reinstall just for that ? Isn't that an overkill ?
[11:49] <_jaypee> also when i installed programs from source, it doesnt show up in the menu
[11:50] <onur> oh
[11:50] <onur> what do you suggest ?
[11:50] <kkathman> I'd suggest to anyone right now to NOT install KDE3.5 beta2
[11:50] <onur> i mean i need a stable system.
[11:50] <_jaypee> i didn't really tweak my computer much, and only tested kubuntu for two days, so i was like why not just reinstall and wait for kde 3.5 stable
[11:50] <kkathman> it was a premature release
[11:50] <onur> oh, this means i have to reinstall my kubuntu ?
[11:51] <_jaypee> its up to you
[11:51] <onur> assuming that i want to go back to 3.4.3
[11:51] <_jaypee> maybe you can wait till they release rc1 and it might fix the bugs
[11:51] <kkathman> you've already installed it?
[11:52] <_jaypee> yes onur has installed it, i tried it too
[11:52] <kkathman> yer stuck then, its very difficult to uninstall...not a simple process :(
[11:52] <kkathman> uninstalling can be worse lol
[11:52] <zerotime> please, can someone tellme how to enable multinverse? if I enable them, and do an apt-get update I get errors 404
[11:52] <zerotime> please, help
[11:52] <onur> ok i can get through  a reinstall of kubuntu
[11:52] <_jaypee> zerotime
[11:52] <onur> takes 30 minutes or so
[11:52] <zerotime> yes jaypee
[11:52] <kkathman> !tell zerotime about repos
[11:52] <_jaypee> make sure its multiverse not multinverse
[11:52] <frank23> zerotime: its multiverse right not multinverse
[11:52] <onur> thanks people
[11:53] <_jaypee> no problem onur, good luck
[11:53] <kkathman> zerotime: check the pm
[11:53] <zerotime> I know, I dont edit the line, I just uncomment it
[11:53] <onur> here one disk goes for  reformatting :)
[11:54] <_jaypee> zerotime: heres how my line looks deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted multiverse
[11:55] <_jaypee> zerotime did it work?
[11:56] <zerotime> thx
[11:56] <_jaypee> are you using hoary 5.04 or breezy 5.10?
[11:56] <zerotime> got it working now ubotu
[11:56] <_jaypee> glad you got it =)
[11:56] <treefrog> Hi all
[11:57] <zerotime> and jaypee thx too
[11:57] <_jaypee> hi
[11:57] <kkathman> hey treefrog :)
[11:57] <treefrog> whats the topick of the moment??
[11:57] <kkathman> hmm.. not much of any topic really
[11:57] <_jaypee> lol
[11:58] <_jaypee> anyone use opensuse?
[11:58] <_jaypee> i converted from suse to kubuntu
[11:58] <treefrog> what about java.. simple stuff. how to set it up. Y is it not in Adept .??
[11:58] <kkathman> treefrog: same stories...people having probs with beta2 and the like
[11:58] <kkathman> !tell treefrog about java
[11:58] <treefrog> ya that is where I am.. Got Amarok going to I can breath 
[11:58] <kkathman> chek the pm
[12:00] <treefrog_> thanks
[12:00] <treefrog_> can one of you register me so I can PM?
[12:00] <treefrog_> is that how it works??
[12:01] <zerotime> how can I enable ntfs support in kubuntu 5.10?
[12:01] <treefrog_> Oh I like that one
[12:01] <treefrog_> go to system settings
[12:01] <treefrog_> open disk and file systems
[12:02] <treefrog_> click on administrator mode
[12:02] <zerotime> yeah and
[12:02] <treefrog_> enter pass and select the partition you want to set up.