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Should I be talking here if I'm just working on the Wiki? [04:23] StormyEyes, what are you planning to do? [04:23] I added this page -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomXSession -- and was looking for feedback. [04:23] StormyEyes, if want to edit every page on the entire wiki, then better talk about it first [04:24] Every page? Nah; my wife would kill me for paying more attention to the wiki than to her. [04:26] StormyEyes, basically, look carefully for an existing page before you start a new one [04:26] OK, I did that. I didn't see anything in there for custom X sessions. [04:27] cool [04:27] thanks for the effort [04:27] No problem. [04:27] I don't see anything in there for Openbox or other minimal environments; perhaps I should clean up my Openbox howto from the forum and post it on the Wiki. [04:28] that would be cool [04:33] Burgundavia, should I join the documentation mailing list if I'm just hacking on the Wiki? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:41] http://trigger.cdo.linux.org.ph/2005/10/19/howto-upgrade-from-hoary-to-breezy-from-an-iso/ [04:55] jsgotangco, why not simply load the cd in an chose "add a cd" from synaptic? [05:04] well its fun to do something crazy once in a while [05:07] yep [05:07] like fly to canada [05:13] lol === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:08] who has a web link to the first page of the doucmation for breezy (trying to add it to my bookmarkfile for ff === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:51] Safe and text-oriented boot mode for better clarity and [08:51] infinite justice on boot. [08:51] inifinte justice? [08:51] huh? [08:55] yeah, what is infinite justice in the context of new server setups? [08:55] does it mean it will crush microsoft like the worthless worms they are? [08:57] morning [08:57] morning, mdke [08:58] heya highvoltage [08:58] i saw a picture of you on flikr with Jane and realised finally who you are :) [08:59] we met briefly at the edubuntu summit [09:01] hi mdke [09:01] yes :) [09:02] good memory, there ;) [09:03] heya jsgotangco [09:03] highvoltage, :) I have your goopensource stickers on my laptop [09:04] jsgotangco, did you hear about our new server? [09:04] help.ubuntu.com? [09:04] i mean, the machine [09:04] no [09:05] we get our own physical server? [09:05] yeah [09:05] i convinced henrik that the linode was too crap [09:05] so he offered a pronto server [09:05] :) [09:05] we're setting it up at the moment [09:05] nice [09:05] can you give me access if possible? [09:06] sure [09:06] once it is set up I'll give you a login [09:07] thanks [09:07] so we'll move everything there? [09:07] except the svn [09:07] well there isn't a lot [09:07] only the webserver [09:09] gtg to work [09:09] see ya later === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:17] mdke: cool :) [09:32] bloody hell [09:32] sean just converted the quicktour to docbook [09:32] nice === jsgotangco needs to grab trunk soon [09:32] he likely broke the css however [09:32] he removed the html? [09:33] nope, he just converted in parallel [09:34] somebody remind me what the CLI command is to start Yelp w/ a specific document? [09:34] yelp blah.xml [09:35] thnx [09:36] well, I need to sleep [09:36] the docbook quicktour won't load for me at all - Yelp throws up a bunch of errors, then just loads the default help page... [09:36] lovely === Burgundavia is tempted to simply delete it [09:36] sure [09:36] (yelp:28423): Yelp-CRITICAL **: history_pop_back: assertion `window->priv->history_back != NULL' failed [09:36] whatever that means in English... [09:37] well, I pinged Sean and the list about it [09:37] I will leave it for now [09:41] reading... [09:44] what the heck are those files he added [09:44] no idea [09:44] should we remove sean from the commit list? [09:47] Burgundavia: what have sean done? [09:47] highvoltage, non-communication is my biggest worry [09:47] i don't mind if he's still in commit as long as he does things in a nice way [09:48] its obvious he's doing the "see i told you so" thing... [09:48] I see big changes to our xsl, which I assume means how things look [09:48] Burgundavia: XSL = CSS for XML, AFAIK [09:48] highvoltage, I assume you have/do speak with him personally? [09:50] Burgundavia: i have spoken to him once when I were in Jo'burg for Linuxworld. He hasn't called / msg'd me recently, I think he's angry at me. [09:51] highvoltage, he has not spoken on the doc list for quite some time [09:51] highvoltage, nor has he appeared here [09:51] Burgundavia, we can ask the CC for that i guess [09:51] and clean up the commit list as well [09:51] ya [09:52] well, I really need to sleep [09:52] we can talk more tomorrow about it [09:52] sure [09:52] i'll email the list about the meeting tommorow [09:53] highvoltage, angry at you? [09:53] jsgotangco: another 1400Z meeting, right? [09:53] Madpilot, yeah, let's discuss changing that too === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:53] hi rob^ [09:54] well, i think he can be real moody [09:54] that's bad [09:54] hi jsgotangco [09:54] but it comes in your choice of flavours [09:55] (thats good) [09:55] gotta love the simpsons [09:55] lol [09:55] simpsons++ [09:56] mmm dinner [10:08] jeez froud is a pain in the ass [10:08] i can't help but feel this latest attempt to get kubuntu docs in a different repository is an attempt to control them [10:09] yes [10:09] of course [10:09] i agree he should be removed from the commit list unless he provides a satisfactory explanation about whether he is going to play ball [10:09] i'd kick him off the commit list as well [10:14] yep [10:14] we'll see how it goes, and if necessary approach the CC [10:14] but I think this can be resolved within the group [10:15] agenda item? [10:20] hmmm no i don't like that [10:20] ground rules on committing i guess [10:21] it will be rare that someone needs to be removed from the list [10:21] but it will happen I suppose [10:21] i don't like it, but if he's being a git, its justified === mdke nods === rob^ reads [10:22] ok i gotta do some work [10:23] I wonder if that will just make it worse, he would still have read-only access to it [10:24] he can fork if he wants to [10:27] quite. So long as he doesn't release things into the ditribution [10:27] ahh its a different story :) [10:28] his beef is with kubuntu so we'll just make sure we have good content (promised jjesse will write kubuntu for dapper) [10:30] mdke, I have an idea for the revhistory in the faq guide on help.u.c [10:31] what if we just used css to shrink the text right down, thus taking up less screen space? [10:31] rob^, nice idea [10:31] the change to the css file is one line [10:33] sure go ahead [10:39] there, I'm pretty sure that will work [10:39] (its in branch) [10:40] cool [10:41] question [10:41] do we start merging [10:43] asap [10:43] whats the easiest way to do it? [10:44] well not that easy really... [10:44] i can start merging some later... [10:44] and have the old hoary docs branched [10:45] best recruit jbailey for help [10:45] oh, umm the licences are not in the faq guide either, xincludes [10:45] you just noticed now? :) [10:45] no the other day [10:45] :) [10:45] I'm not that slow :P [10:47] dunno if fixing that will break the translations [10:48] yeah.. [10:49] it'll be interesting tommorow :) [10:49] i should email the list [10:49] hehe [10:49] wiki still down? [10:51] oh btw how long do you think the meeting will go tomorrow? [10:52] it starts at midnight my time, and I now have to work at 6am.. [10:52] could be painful === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:04] rob^, don't think that css thing has worked, better test it [12:37] dang [12:37] I hadn't tested it [12:38] I just noticed that the revhistory is wrapped in a div with the revhistory class [12:38] might have to add a class for the

tags === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:53] guys, what has happened to the doc.ubuntu.com site then? The broken links were just removed altogether? :/ [02:53] a lot of documentation isn't accessible from there; that shouldn't be the case, should it? [02:57] no it shouldn't i thought mdke was working on solving it? [02:57] he sent an email to the doc list let me look [02:58] problem w/ the index.html got changed according to him [02:59] I know.. why weren't the URLs then just altered? :/ [03:06] no clue === bojicas_ [n=bojicas@217.164.245.251] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] [03:35] because that site is for previews [03:35] not docs [03:35] and currently we have no previews because we have just released our docs [03:35] and work has not yet started on trunk [03:35] (for dapper) [03:37] jjesse, apokryphos ^^ [03:37] yes mde [03:37] it says that on the page actually [03:38] jjesse, we need to add the kubuntu docs to help.ubuntu.com, are they buildable in html? [03:38] mdke: to be hinest how would i know? [03:39] jjesse, i was asking just in case you knew, np I'll try myself [03:39] the answer is that they don't [03:39] do "make kall" in branches/breezy/kde [03:43] warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/kde-chunk.xsl" [03:43] cannot parse /usr/share/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/kde-chunk.xsl [03:43] make: *** [kspec] Error 4 [03:45] maybe I need to install some stuff [03:45] that's not what i get [03:45] jjesse, it works? [03:46] no see http://pastebin.com/399791 [03:46] hmm [03:46] wonder what I'm missing [03:46] anyhow, will you see if you can sort it out? [03:48] sure will [03:48] great [03:51] jjesse, meanwhile can you post me the result of dpkg -S ksgmltools2 ? [03:52] mdke: sure can on phone right now [03:52] thanks === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp211-188.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:58] mdke: it's a huge list, http://pastebin.com/399799 [03:58] i think i got it all, but probablly not :( [03:59] ah damn my bad [04:00] anyhow, I got what I wanted :) [04:00] kdelibs-data is needed to build the docs [04:00] although I'm not sure why === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:04] mdke: i will look into the issues w/ the docbook formating i'm getting [04:04] mdke: but right shouldn't the only ones we need in html are the ones released, the kreleasenotes and about-kubuntu? [04:04] yes i agree [04:04] isn't the kquickguide done? [04:05] mdke: yes sorry [04:05] yeah, it would be great to get those three up [04:05] mdke: no kquickguide actually i think there are changes that still need to be made [04:06] mdke: riddell and i finished the about kubuntu and kubuntu release notes [04:06] okay [04:06] well those two would be a great start [04:06] pardon the stupidity but what needs to be done to make sure they work in html? [04:08] jjesse, you need to resolve the errors building I guess. In that case, looks like the entities point to a wrong address [04:08] mdke: ok added to task list === bojicas [n=bojicas@217.164.245.251] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [n=troy@adsl-70-240-14-115.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [n=troy@adsl-70-240-14-115.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === n1c0las [n=niklas@beryl.wknl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:04] jjesse: ping [05:04] judax: ponf [05:04] judax: pong [05:09] jjesse: what time is the doc mtg tomorrow? 1400UTC? [05:09] judax: that is what i have marked down in my calendar [05:09] i haven't heard elsewise [05:09] jjesse: it is in my calendar and just want to make sure it is right [05:09] what timezone are you in? [05:10] judax: 1400 is what im planing for, so i hope its right :| [05:10] i am in eastern [05:10] Kamping_Kaiser: ok [05:10] jjesse: so, it is 10am your time tomorrow [05:12] 11.30pm for me :( oh well. i should be sleeping now i suppose, so im not useless tonight [05:12] correct judax [05:12] Kamping_Kaiser: sleep? what is that? [05:12] judax: what you do to clear your caches and load a new kernel :) [05:12] jjesse: ok, I think I have it all right in calendar, thanks much [05:12] hehe [05:13] judax: are you in eastern time zone ? [05:13] jjesse: central [05:13] judax: ah so 9am for you then :) [05:13] jjesse: yup [05:29] mdke: ok, so will help.ubuntu.com be the centralised location for the docs? === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:29] apokryphos, that is correct [07:28] ciao === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [n=froud@ndn-165-133-227.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:31] Hello I have a rough work in progress example of two col format for pdf. Its just a sketch but would like feedback. Sample is here [08:31] http://www.inwords.co.za/temp/new.pdf [08:32] Still lots of format problems [08:32] and perhaps could use some col spans [08:32] to break the monotony [08:33] things like TOC can be hidden [08:46] froud: that pdf looks cool good job [08:47] jjesse: thanks, do you think the background color etc is a bit off? [08:47] I see the images have transparency in the back so the black above and below [08:47] background color is a little dark i think [08:47] I will need to make new images [08:48] dark :-) here is me thinking too light [08:48] wo [08:48] Ok will add more white [08:49] Obviously I need to put in the right places [08:49] What about the std fonts [08:49] I was hoping change to Verdana [08:50] And make headings a twee bit smaller? [08:57] hmm thinking [08:58] the headings could me a tad bit smaller [08:59] and body text at Verdana 10 [08:59] perhaps another font altogether? [09:01] work calls heading into a meeting === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc []