[04:19] <StormyEyes> Hello. Should I be talking here if I'm just working on the Wiki?
[04:23] <Burgundavia> StormyEyes, what are you planning to do?
[04:23] <StormyEyes> I added this page -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomXSession -- and was looking for feedback.
[04:23] <Burgundavia> StormyEyes, if want to edit every page on the entire wiki, then better talk about it first
[04:24] <StormyEyes> Every page? Nah; my wife would kill me for paying more attention to the wiki than to her.
[04:26] <Burgundavia> StormyEyes, basically, look carefully for an existing page before you start a new one
[04:26] <StormyEyes> OK, I did that. I didn't see anything in there for custom X sessions.
[04:27] <Burgundavia> cool
[04:27] <Burgundavia> thanks for the effort
[04:27] <StormyEyes> No problem.
[04:27] <StormyEyes> I don't see anything in there for Openbox or other minimal environments; perhaps I should clean up my Openbox howto from the forum and post it on the Wiki.
[04:28] <Burgundavia> that would be cool
[04:33] <StormyEyes> Burgundavia, should I join the documentation mailing list if I'm just hacking on the Wiki?
[04:41] <jsgotangco> http://trigger.cdo.linux.org.ph/2005/10/19/howto-upgrade-from-hoary-to-breezy-from-an-iso/
[04:55] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, why not simply load the cd in an chose "add a cd" from synaptic?
[05:04] <jsgotangco> well its fun to do something crazy once in a while
[05:07] <ajmitch> yep
[05:07] <ajmitch> like fly to canada
[05:13] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:08] <zenrox> who has a web link to the first page of the doucmation for breezy (trying to add it to my bookmarkfile for ff
[08:51] <jsgotangco>  Safe and text-oriented boot mode for better clarity and
[08:51] <jsgotangco>  infinite justice on boot.
[08:51] <jsgotangco> inifinte justice?
[08:51] <Madpilot> huh?
[08:55] <highvoltage> yeah, what is infinite justice in the context of new server setups?
[08:55] <highvoltage> does it mean it will crush microsoft like the worthless worms they are?
[08:57] <mdke> morning
[08:57] <highvoltage> morning, mdke
[08:58] <mdke> heya highvoltage 
[08:58] <mdke> i saw a picture of you on flikr with Jane and realised finally who you are :)
[08:59] <mdke> we met briefly at the edubuntu summit
[09:01] <jsgotangco> hi mdke 
[09:01] <highvoltage> yes :)
[09:02] <highvoltage> good memory, there ;)
[09:03] <mdke> heya jsgotangco 
[09:03] <mdke> highvoltage, :) I have your goopensource stickers on my laptop
[09:04] <mdke> jsgotangco, did you hear about our new server?
[09:04] <jsgotangco> help.ubuntu.com?
[09:04] <mdke> i mean, the machine
[09:04] <jsgotangco> no
[09:05] <jsgotangco> we get our own physical server?
[09:05] <mdke> yeah
[09:05] <mdke> i convinced henrik that the linode was too crap
[09:05] <mdke> so he offered a pronto server
[09:05] <mdke> :)
[09:05] <mdke> we're setting it up at the moment
[09:05] <jsgotangco> nice
[09:05] <jsgotangco> can you give me access if possible?
[09:06] <mdke> sure
[09:06] <mdke> once it is set up I'll give you a login
[09:07] <jsgotangco> thanks
[09:07] <jsgotangco> so we'll move everything there?
[09:07] <jsgotangco> except the svn
[09:07] <mdke> well there isn't a lot
[09:07] <mdke> only the webserver
[09:09] <mdke> gtg to work
[09:09] <mdke> see ya later
[09:17] <highvoltage> mdke: cool :)
[09:32] <Burgundavia> bloody hell
[09:32] <Burgundavia> sean just converted the quicktour to docbook
[09:32] <jsgotangco> nice
[09:32] <Burgundavia> he likely broke the css however
[09:32] <jsgotangco> he removed the html?
[09:33] <Burgundavia> nope, he just converted in parallel
[09:34] <Madpilot> somebody remind me what the CLI command is to start Yelp w/ a specific document?
[09:34] <Burgundavia> yelp blah.xml
[09:35] <Madpilot> thnx
[09:36] <Burgundavia> well, I need to sleep
[09:36] <Madpilot> the docbook quicktour won't load for me at all - Yelp throws up a bunch of errors, then just loads the default help page...
[09:36] <Burgundavia> lovely
[09:36] <jsgotangco> sure
[09:36] <Madpilot> (yelp:28423): Yelp-CRITICAL **: history_pop_back: assertion `window->priv->history_back != NULL' failed
[09:36] <Madpilot> whatever that means in English...
[09:37] <Burgundavia> well, I pinged Sean and the list about it
[09:37] <Burgundavia> I will leave it for now
[09:41] <jsgotangco> reading...
[09:44] <jsgotangco> what the heck are those files he added
[09:44] <Burgundavia> no idea
[09:44] <Burgundavia> should we remove sean from the commit list?
[09:47] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: what have sean done?
[09:47] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, non-communication is my biggest worry
[09:47] <jsgotangco> i don't mind if he's still in commit as long as he does things in a nice way
[09:48] <jsgotangco> its obvious he's doing the  "see i told you so" thing...
[09:48] <Burgundavia> I see big changes to our xsl, which I assume means how things look
[09:48] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: XSL = CSS for XML, AFAIK
[09:48] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, I assume you have/do speak with him personally?
[09:50] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: i have spoken to him once when I were in Jo'burg for Linuxworld. He hasn't called / msg'd me recently, I think he's angry at me.
[09:51] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, he has not spoken on the doc list for quite some time
[09:51] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, nor has he appeared here
[09:51] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, we can ask the CC for that i guess
[09:51] <jsgotangco> and clean up the commit list as well
[09:51] <Burgundavia> ya
[09:52] <Burgundavia> well, I really need to sleep
[09:52] <Burgundavia> we can talk more tomorrow about it
[09:52] <jsgotangco> sure
[09:52] <jsgotangco> i'll email the list about the meeting tommorow
[09:53] <jsgotangco> highvoltage, angry at you?
[09:53] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: another 1400Z meeting, right?
[09:53] <jsgotangco> Madpilot, yeah, let's discuss changing that too
[09:53] <jsgotangco> hi rob^ 
[09:54] <highvoltage> well, i think he can be real moody
[09:54] <jsgotangco> that's bad
[09:54] <rob^> hi jsgotangco 
[09:54] <rob^> but it comes in your choice of flavours
[09:55] <rob^> (thats good)
[09:55] <rob^> gotta love the simpsons
[09:55] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:55] <highvoltage> simpsons++
[09:56] <rob^> mmm dinner
[10:08] <mdke> jeez froud is a pain in the ass
[10:08] <mdke> i can't help but feel this latest attempt to get kubuntu docs in a different repository is an attempt to control them
[10:09] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:09] <jsgotangco> of course
[10:09] <mdke> i agree he should be removed from the commit list unless he provides a satisfactory explanation about whether he is going to play ball
[10:09] <jsgotangco> i'd kick him off the commit list as well
[10:14] <mdke> yep
[10:14] <mdke> we'll see how it goes, and if necessary approach the CC
[10:14] <mdke> but I think this can be resolved within the group
[10:15] <mdke> agenda item?
[10:20] <jsgotangco> hmmm no i don't like that
[10:20] <jsgotangco> ground rules on committing i guess
[10:21] <mdke> it will be rare that someone needs to be removed from the list
[10:21] <mdke> but it will happen I suppose
[10:21] <jsgotangco> i don't like it, but if he's being a git, its justified
[10:22] <mdke> ok i gotta do some work
[10:23] <rob^> I wonder if that will just make it worse, he would still have read-only access to it
[10:24] <jsgotangco> he can fork if he wants to
[10:27] <mdke> quite. So long as he doesn't release things into the ditribution
[10:27] <jsgotangco> ahh its a different story :)
[10:28] <jsgotangco> his beef is with kubuntu so we'll just make sure we have good content (promised jjesse will write kubuntu for dapper)
[10:30] <rob^> mdke, I have an idea for the revhistory in the faq guide on help.u.c
[10:31] <rob^> what if we just used css to shrink the text right down, thus taking up less screen space?
[10:31] <jsgotangco> rob^, nice idea
[10:31] <rob^> the change to the css file is one line
[10:33] <mdke> sure go ahead
[10:39] <rob^> there, I'm pretty sure that will work
[10:39] <rob^> (its in branch)
[10:40] <mdke> cool
[10:41] <jsgotangco> question
[10:41] <jsgotangco> do we start merging
[10:43] <mdke> asap
[10:43] <rob^> whats the easiest way to do it?
[10:44] <jsgotangco> well not that easy really...
[10:44] <jsgotangco> i can start merging some later...
[10:44] <jsgotangco> and have the old hoary docs branched
[10:45] <mdke> best recruit jbailey for help
[10:45] <rob^> oh, umm the licences are not in the faq guide either, xincludes
[10:45] <mdke> you just noticed now? :)
[10:45] <rob^> no the other day
[10:45] <rob^> :)
[10:45] <rob^> I'm not that slow :P
[10:47] <mdke> dunno if fixing that will break the translations
[10:48] <rob^> yeah..
[10:49] <jsgotangco> it'll be interesting tommorow :)
[10:49] <jsgotangco> i should email the list
[10:49] <jsgotangco> hehe
[10:49] <rob^> wiki still down?
[10:51] <rob^> oh btw how long do you think the meeting will go tomorrow?
[10:52] <rob^> it starts at midnight my time, and I now have to work at 6am..
[10:52] <rob^> could be painful
[12:04] <mdke> rob^, don't think that css thing has worked, better test it
[12:37] <rob^> dang
[12:37] <rob^> I hadn't tested it
[12:38] <rob^> I just noticed that the revhistory is wrapped in a div with the revhistory class
[12:38] <rob^> might have to add a class for the <p> tags
[02:53] <apokryphos> guys, what has happened to the doc.ubuntu.com site then? The broken links were just removed altogether? :/
[02:53] <apokryphos> a lot of documentation isn't accessible from there; that shouldn't be the case, should it?
[02:57] <jjesse> no it shouldn't i thought mdke  was working on solving it?
[02:57] <jjesse> he sent an email to the doc list let me look
[02:58] <jjesse> problem w/ the index.html got changed according to him
[02:59] <apokryphos> I know.. why weren't the URLs then just altered? :/
[03:06] <jjesse> no clue
[03:35] <mdke> because that site is for previews
[03:35] <mdke> not docs
[03:35] <mdke> and currently we have no previews because we have just released our docs
[03:35] <mdke> and work has not yet started on trunk
[03:35] <mdke> (for dapper)
[03:37] <mdke> jjesse, apokryphos ^^
[03:37] <jjesse> yes mde
[03:37] <mdke> it says that on the page actually
[03:38] <mdke> jjesse, we need to add the kubuntu docs to help.ubuntu.com, are they buildable in html?
[03:38] <jjesse> mdke: to be hinest how would i know?
[03:39] <mdke> jjesse, i was asking just in case you knew, np I'll try myself
[03:39] <mdke> the answer is that they don't
[03:39] <mdke> do "make kall" in branches/breezy/kde
[03:43] <mdke> warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/kde-chunk.xsl"
[03:43] <mdke> cannot parse /usr/share/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/kde-chunk.xsl
[03:43] <mdke> make: *** [kspec]  Error 4
[03:45] <mdke> maybe I need to install some stuff
[03:45] <jjesse> that's not what i get
[03:45] <mdke> jjesse, it works?
[03:46] <jjesse> no see http://pastebin.com/399791
[03:46] <mdke> hmm
[03:46] <mdke> wonder what I'm missing
[03:46] <mdke> anyhow, will you see if you can sort it out?
[03:48] <jjesse> sure will
[03:48] <mdke> great
[03:51] <mdke> jjesse, meanwhile can you post me the result of dpkg -S ksgmltools2 ?
[03:52] <jjesse> mdke: sure can on phone right now
[03:52] <mdke> thanks
[03:58] <jjesse> mdke: it's a huge list, http://pastebin.com/399799
[03:58] <jjesse> i think i got it all, but probablly not :(
[03:59] <mdke> ah damn my bad
[04:00] <mdke> anyhow, I got what I wanted :)
[04:00] <mdke> kdelibs-data is needed to build the docs
[04:00] <mdke> although I'm not sure why
[04:04] <jjesse> mdke: i will look into the issues w/ the docbook formating i'm getting
[04:04] <jjesse> mdke: but right shouldn't the only ones we need in html are the ones released, the kreleasenotes and about-kubuntu?
[04:04] <mdke> yes i agree
[04:04] <mdke> isn't the kquickguide done?
[04:05] <jjesse> mdke: yes sorry
[04:05] <mdke> yeah, it would be great to get those three up
[04:05] <jjesse> mdke: no kquickguide actually i think there are changes that still need to be made
[04:06] <jjesse> mdke: riddell and i finished the about kubuntu and kubuntu release notes
[04:06] <mdke> okay
[04:06] <mdke> well those two would be a great start
[04:06] <jjesse> pardon the stupidity but what needs to be done to make sure they work in html?
[04:08] <mdke> jjesse, you need to resolve the errors building I guess. In that case, looks like the entities point to a wrong address
[04:08] <jjesse> mdke: ok added to task list
[05:04] <judax> jjesse: ping
[05:04] <jjesse> judax:  ponf
[05:04] <jjesse> judax:  pong
[05:09] <judax> jjesse: what time is the doc mtg tomorrow? 1400UTC?
[05:09] <jjesse> judax: that is what i have marked down in my calendar
[05:09] <jjesse> i haven't heard elsewise
[05:09] <judax> jjesse: it is in my calendar and just want to make sure it is right
[05:09] <judax> what timezone are you in?
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> judax: 1400 is what im planing for, so i hope its right :|
[05:10] <jjesse> i am in eastern
[05:10] <judax> Kamping_Kaiser: ok
[05:10] <judax> jjesse: so, it is 10am your time tomorrow
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> 11.30pm for me :( oh well. i should be sleeping now i suppose, so im not useless tonight
[05:12] <jjesse> correct judax 
[05:12] <judax> Kamping_Kaiser: sleep? what is that?
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> judax: what you do to clear your caches and load a new kernel :)
[05:12] <judax> jjesse: ok, I think I have it all right in calendar, thanks much
[05:12] <judax> hehe
[05:13] <jjesse> judax: are you in eastern time zone ?
[05:13] <judax> jjesse: central
[05:13] <jjesse> judax: ah so 9am for you then :)
[05:13] <judax> jjesse: yup
[05:29] <apokryphos> mdke: ok, so will help.ubuntu.com be the centralised location for the docs?
[06:29] <mdke> apokryphos, that is correct
[07:28] <Kinnison> ciao
[08:31] <froud> Hello I have a rough work in progress example of two col format for pdf. Its just a sketch but would like feedback. Sample is here
[08:31] <froud> http://www.inwords.co.za/temp/new.pdf
[08:32] <froud> Still lots of format problems
[08:32] <froud> and perhaps could use some col spans
[08:32] <froud> to break the monotony
[08:33] <froud> things like TOC can be hidden
[08:46] <jjesse> froud: that pdf looks cool good job
[08:47] <froud> jjesse: thanks, do you think the background color etc is a bit off?
[08:47] <froud> I see the images have transparency in the back so the black above and below
[08:47] <jjesse> background color is a little dark i think
[08:47] <froud> I will need to make new images
[08:48] <froud> dark :-) here is me thinking too light
[08:48] <jjesse> wo
[08:48] <froud> Ok will add more white
[08:49] <froud> Obviously I need to put <?colbreak?> in the right places
[08:49] <froud> What about the std fonts
[08:49] <froud> I was hoping change to Verdana
[08:50] <froud> And make headings a twee bit smaller?
[08:57] <jjesse> hmm thinking
[08:58] <jjesse> the headings could me a tad bit smaller
[08:59] <froud> and body text at Verdana 10
[08:59] <froud> perhaps another font altogether?
[09:01] <jjesse> work calls heading into a meeting