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ograits the legacy tool to set up ltsp12:04
jelknerdo we install ltspadmin in edubuntu?12:04
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ograwe still support the legacy ltsp...12:04
bluefrog-10hi just installed samba+ldap on ubu-server and no more sudo (pam can't retrieve authentif info)any1 can help?12:04
ogranope, but its in universe12:04
jelknerok, so i won't worry about it12:05
jelknerbut i'm glad to know in case i hear someone talking about it12:05
ograbluefrog-10, sorry, to tired... i'm here since 20h12:05
jelkneri gotta run, thanks ogra!12:05
bluefrog-10:)12:05
ograciao jelkner 12:05
ograbluefrog-10, probably in #ubuntu 12:05
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pituxhello01:27
pituxi need help for test about tecnology and education for teachers?01:27
pituxalguien que hable espa~nol y me ayude con el idioma01:28
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pschulz01Hello... is there any artwork for Edubuntu suitable for printing onto CD? 02:37
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dabaRpschulz01: did you look at the web site?02:44
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pschulz01dabaR: looking... can't see anything there though.03:19
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N6REJgood evening all.. what is the difference between breezy standard and edubuntu?05:40
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BeanDiphowdy folks06:34
BeanDiphaving a problem here06:34
BeanDipI installed ubuntu breezy server06:34
BeanDipinstalled ltsp following the wiki guide06:34
BeanDipI get booted up to a xdm login screen06:34
BeanDipbut I can't login with any of my server's user accounts06:34
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highvoltageheh09:17
juliuxhi09:17
highvoltagehu juliux 09:18
juliuxwe lost our chanserv09:18
highvoltagefreenode in a stat of chaos09:18
juliuxno not freenode09:18
juliuxits level309:18
juliuxhttp://scoreboard.keynote.com/Scoreboard/Main.aspx09:19
highvoltageok09:21
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berlinuxhi10:11
berlinuxogra, awake already?10:12
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ogratsk... missed them...10:25
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highvoltageI love Ubuntu!11:48
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ograwe all do :)11:51
ograbut i love edubuntu more :P11:51
JaneWheh11:51
highvoltagei love edubuntu and ubuntu equally.11:52
highvoltageokay okay, i'm lying. i like edubuntu more too :)11:52
JaneWogra: cool ->   11:00  Mighty Edubuntu - Ubuntu for Kids and Schools11:54
JaneW         Oliver Grawert11:54
ogralove day ? 11:55
highvoltageoh yes, i started putting the python pages together: http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/6/index.py?tour11:56
highvoltageif you click on the images now you get it in an edubuntu page, instead of just a image.11:57
juliuxogra, the edubuntu server will be in Essen11:57
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juliuxogra, i have bought my ticket today11:57
ogragreat ... 11:58
juliuxogra, i travel 15h with the train12:00
ogragah12:00
juliuxogra, both ways12:00
juliuxogra, i will have enough time to read my university stuff12:01
ograheh12:03
bluefrog-10ogra can't talk right now cause am going to eat but i'd like to have a chat with u later on if possible about samba-ldap edubuntu. (not asking questions but hopefully helping you on that, i don't know how far advanced you are on that project)12:04
ogranot far yet, every help appreciated :-D12:05
ograhighvoltage, the ooo2 pics are missing12:08
ogra(the zoomed ones)12:08
bluefrog-10k c ya later have done a good job (well for my skills which are not high...). have to test it from scratch again to see if it works straight that time.12:10
highvoltageogra: ok, i'll sort it out.12:11
highvoltageapt-cache is broken. if i type apt-cache search quake4 it returns nothing :)12:13
ograhighvoltage, doom3 isnt found either :/12:17
ograas well as doom4 :)12:18
ograor 5 12:18
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ograJaneW, relax a bit... go sleeping...12:29
ajmitch_hi ogra, juliux 12:30
ajmitch_s/juliux/janew/12:30
ograhey ajmitch_ 12:30
ajmitch_silly tab complete :)12:30
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JaneWhi ajmitch_ 12:36
JaneWogra - I'd love to!12:36
ajmitch_too busy?12:37
ograjust do it ... or is your schedule to stuffed ? 12:37
JaneWI'm at the office mainly...12:43
JaneWand have stuff to do12:43
JaneWand have to give chmj a lift home (but maybe we can leave a little early)12:44
JaneWnobody has a proposal on http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuShippingPlans yet... so it's unlikely we'll be printing CDs :/12:47
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JaneWogra: was there any conclusion to that distro discussion? I didn't get a single direct answer...01:11
ograJaneW, yes, there wont be a distinction01:12
JaneWogra: ok01:13
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highvoltageweekend. must. come.... now....01:58
ograpfft... 01:58
ograits not even 2pm here ....01:58
JaneWhighvoltage: ditto01:59
JaneWhighvoltage:  where's that joy from yesterday - I need some...01:59
ajmitch_hm01:59
ajmitch_1am sat morning here02:00
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JaneWnight :)02:01
ograsleep well ajmitch_ 02:02
ajmitch_night02:02
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ograYagisan, here ? 02:22
Yagisanogra: yeah02:25
ograi have a breezy user who cant boot his clients from floppy...02:25
Yagisanrather stressed though - have uni assignment due in 45 minutes and I started it today =-O02:25
ograhe seems to use a .zdsk...02:26
Yagisanyep - go on02:26
ograi guess he rather needs .zpxe ?02:26
Yagisan.zdsk is a raw floppy image02:26
ograyes02:26
ograand plain etherboot as i understand it02:27
Yagisanmy guess is tha either a) he did tick to put a pxe stack on the floppy02:27
Yagisans/did/did not/02:27
Yagisanb) his floppy isn't working02:27
Yagisanc) he picked the wrong driver02:27
ograthey were working with redhat he says02:28
ogra(he's in #ltsp)02:28
Yagisanogra: I'll join in half a sec02:28
ograedubuntu on its first fair :) -> http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/berlinux/DSCN9044.JPG02:37
ograJaneW ^^02:37
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JaneWogra: COOL02:52
ograyup02:53
JaneWnice pic02:53
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juliuxstrange why i dont know anything that ubuntu is there ?02:55
ograare you active in the berlin LUG ?02:56
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juliuxogra, now but i do the fair work for germany02:56
juliuxs/germany/ubuntu in germany02:56
ograthats organized by the LUG02:57
juliuxogra, thats right but we, jrg and I do manage that ubuntu have a both on this fairs02:57
ograthis time the LUG managed it internally, whats wrong ?02:58
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highvoltageogra: how's berlin lug?03:12
ograno idea03:13
ograi'm not there... thats doko03:13
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highvoltagehe kept on talking about how great ms project is.03:14
highvoltagei just couldn't take it anymore.03:14
ograthere is no matching software in linux yet... so he might be right...03:16
highvoltageit's not about linux.03:16
highvoltageit's about me, not having to hear what he's using.03:16
highvoltagewhat he does in his computer is his choice, but i don't have to hear about it.03:16
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ogratrue :)03:20
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Yagisanhighvoltage: I find projectile vomiting on people stops them from saying how wonderful MS software is :)03:24
highvoltageYagisan: i'll practice that, thanks, that's good advice03:26
ograeek03:26
highvoltagemy word. our wiki pages are in a bigger mess than i thought.03:27
highvoltageaccording to our wiki frontpage, all the docs are here: http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg03:28
highvoltagepgg... wrong link :)03:28
highvoltagehttp://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation03:28
highvoltageStepByStepLtspSetup on that page is far outdated, and i think there are lots of pages missing.03:29
highvoltage(pages that exist that's not listed)03:29
ograwoah, what a pic03:30
ograso wipe it ...03:30
highvoltageand wiki.edubuntu.org should link to /EdubuntuWiki03:30
highvoltageyes, i will03:30
highvoltageogra: do you know what the decision was from the docteam? I think I heard they discussed whether they should cover the 'other' distros such as edubuntu and kubuntu as well.03:31
highvoltagepity jsgotango isn't here.03:31
ograno idea, but we tarted for motu to make all docs /MOTU/Teams /MOTU/Blah etc03:33
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Yagisanogra: in current ltsp - swap over nbd isn't possible yet is it ?03:42
ograi thought it is...03:42
Yagisanogra: It's not set up that way by default ? no config files for the client03:43
Yagisanto tell it to use a swap file on the server03:44
ograah, ok.. i have to discuss that with mdz03:44
highvoltagehave a good weekend, #edubuntu.03:46
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ogracool03:55
ogramagnon, what do you do there ? 03:56
magnonwaiting to go to Montreal ;)03:56
magnonvisiting a friend first03:56
ograah, nice03:56
magnonnice enough now03:56
ograwhen will you arrive in .ca ?03:56
magnonon Saturday03:57
magnonhm03:57
magnonor was it Friday03:57
magnonthe 28th, which is Friday03:57
enyc000003:59
magnonI'll have to remember handing in the little visa waiver form stub to the canadians04:00
magnonthey almost didn't let me into the country because I didn't know the exact house number here04:00
Yagisanwoohoo - assignment in with 60 seconds to spare :)04:01
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dokohi ogra04:03
ograhey doko04:03
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dokowell, the edubuntu desktop looks really more interesting than the ubuntu desktop :-)04:15
ograhehe04:19
ograpeople already called me "racist" because of the wallpaper :)04:19
ogra(did you note the girl is "only white" !)04:20
ogra(and i'm not joking)04:20
Yagisanogra: it's racist to discriminate against white girls too04:21
Yagisanogra: and that girl is clearly yellow04:21
Yagisanogra: someone should recalibrate their monitor04:21
ogradepends, on my laptop screen it appears white :)04:21
ogracant calibrate04:21
ograonly brightness04:22
Yagisanogra: I admit, a really pale shade of yellow, but it is yellow04:22
ograext release we'll make her blue and nobody can complain :)04:22
Yagisanogra: that's racist - what about all the green people :-P04:25
ogradamned, you areright... and the violet ones04:26
vmarksthe green ones are soylent anyway04:26
ogralol04:26
Yagisanogra: then we have to contend with the sexist comments04:28
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ograYagisan, oh yes... we'll need a crowd with all colours and genders as wallpaper next release i guess ;)04:28
Yagisanogra: then we need everything from fetuses to corpses so we don't get accused of age bias04:30
ograwe only target 6-18 :)04:30
ogra(6-16 imho)04:30
Yagisanyes - put we have to be "politically correct" don't we04:31
Yagisanthen we need gays and straights04:31
Yagisanand then the transgenders04:31
Yagisanor we could go with a picture of say puppys04:32
Yagisanand all the pc bullshit can go out the window04:32
ograoh god, the schools will kill me... gays and straights on a school wallpaper :) probably pic of christoper street day 04:33
ograi think we'll go completely without animals and humans next time :)04:34
ograabstract and colourful04:34
YagisanI think we should be really controversial, I say go the goatse man - that will get us lots of attention :-P04:34
ograheh04:35
Yagisanif that's too controversial, we could go with the censored version :)04:35
ograwe could just reuse the warty calendar artwork and tinit it in different colors :)04:36
Yagisanseriously, are the pc whingers are that big of a problem ?04:37
ogranot really... but it made some trouble after release04:37
YagisanI really don't understand their issues, and I'm White, my Wife is Yellow, and my little girl is Coffee04:40
Yagisanso I'd be in tune with real racist issues04:40
Yagisanyet I really can't see the issue with a pastel coloured girl wallpaper04:40
ograme neither... 04:41
ograbut some people always find something to complain04:41
jeffbuntuHi, you give me some advice last wednesday (pseudo jeffc)04:42
ograyup04:42
jeffbuntutoday i made a new fresh install to test04:43
YagisanIf I did, I wouldn't remember - I'm bad with names04:43
jeffbuntuall the install go ok, but 04:43
jeffbuntuthe mouse doesn't work on terminal(s)04:44
jeffbuntuand i don't find some lts.conf04:44
Yagisansounds like psmouse isn't loaded04:44
ograjeffbuntu, that was a serial mouse, right ? 04:45
jeffbuntuno ps204:45
ograhmm04:45
ograthat should work...04:45
jeffbuntuis there some config file to adjust? like lts.conf04:46
ogratry setting a root password for the thin client:04:46
ograsudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd04:46
ograthen switch to console on the client and log in as root... 04:47
Yagisanjeffbuntu: are all systems ps2 mice ?04:47
ogra(ctrl-alt-f1)04:47
jeffbuntuthe two i have try04:47
ograand look if the psmouse module is loaded04:47
jeffbuntui see04:47
ograthe keyboard works ? 04:48
jeffbuntuyes04:48
ograif you cant find it with: lsmod|grep psmouse04:49
ograadd the word psmouse to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules04:49
ograits a bit strange since mousedev should pull in psmouse04:49
ograand mousedev is hardcoded in this file04:50
ograafter you are done, dont forget to lock the root pw: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -l (on the server)04:50
jeffbuntui've reboot the terminal, and it say login incorrect (with root)05:03
jeffbuntui don't reboot the server05:03
ograon the console ?05:03
ograthat should work...05:04
ograare you sure the password is right? 05:04
ogra(no need to reboot anything)05:04
jeffbuntui try with another password05:04
jeffbuntuwith "toto" no problem, but the grep wtih "mouse" show only mousedev05:07
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ogratry modprobe psmouse05:09
ograswitch to ctrl-alt-f7 and hit ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X... see if it works05:09
Yagisanjeffbuntu: how did it go ?05:09
jeffbuntui see in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules and there is only one module : mousedev05:10
ograyes, thats ok...05:10
ograit normally triggers a hotplug event that loads psmouse05:10
jeffbuntuit's okay with the modprobe05:11
ograbut if the modprobe works, you should add it to that file05:11
ograthen te hotplug event has a race condition or something else is wrong... 05:11
ograyou are the second person that had this prob, so i'll have to investigate a bit more why it doesnt get loaded for some people ...05:12
ograit definately works here :/05:12
jeffbuntui can give you my "dmesg"05:13
ograyes, can you mail it to ogra@ubuntu.com ? i'll archive it for further investigtion :)05:14
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jeffbuntuit's gone, i've to use an old floppy to copy the file from the terminal to my pc05:27
ograok... i'll have to investigate anyway... dont make o much hassle there05:29
jeffbuntuI've a subsidiary question, is there a simple method to re-use the account of users when you change of linux distribution (with a home partition on another partition) ?05:32
ograsure05:33
jeffbuntuyes ;)05:33
ograjust make sure the ID is the same....05:33
jeffbunture create the users with the same id it's that05:34
ograyes05:36
jeffbuntuwhat's about "rights" and passwords ?05:37
ograi'd set the passwords with the tool the distro uses...05:42
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ograthe rights will apply as they did before05:42
ograthe only important thing is that the ID matches 05:42
mhzmoin05:43
YagisanG'day mhz - been waiting ages for you05:44
mhzlol05:44
Yagisandidn't see you at all yesterday05:44
mhzYagisan: Victor Moral got back to work today.05:44
mhzI'll have a tech meeting with him at 15:40 today05:45
jeffbuntuokay, thanks a lot and good week-end in your country (mine is France as you devine with my poor english ;) )05:45
mhzYagisan: yep, I've been making phone calls for the EdubunTour05:45
Yagisanmhz: the suspense is killing my wife05:45
mhzhehehe05:45
Yagisanno worries jeffbuntu05:46
Yagisanmhz - she keeps asking - do you have an email yet ?05:46
mhzplease do not have great expectations. Even if the gang says "yes", we'll still gotta make biz plans05:46
mhzogra: what do you prefer better? EdubunTour or Edubuntu Chilean Tour ?05:47
Yagisanmhz: I know - but it allows all of us to make plans (preferably to our mutual benefit)05:48
ograwe already have a website called edubuntu tour ... so chilenian might be better05:48
mhzYagisan: booting/ do you if it is possible to have a CD for multiple types of netcard machines to boot from?05:48
mhzogra: oh, i see05:49
Yagisanmhz: no (far too many pc's do not support multi-boot el-torito to make it practical)05:50
mhzhowever, I hope you see the 'Edubun_Tour' game05:50
mhzYagisan: so, a floppy for each machine?05:50
mhzYagisan: i mean, if i have 30 machines that do not boot from eth0, then, i'll have to make a floppy for each?05:51
ogramhz, you could run around with one floppy everytime you boot :p05:52
ograthis also keeps the network load low if you only boot a client at a time :)05:52
Yagisanmhz: you need one for each different type of nic05:52
ogramight take ages though05:52
mhz:(05:52
mhztsktsktsktsk05:52
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Yagisanmhz: you just need a few cd's for the most common nics05:54
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mhzok, I see05:55
Yagisanmhz: can I get you to fix something on the wiki05:58
Yagisanmhz: I'd like to send you some documentation to put on the wiki05:58
mhzof course05:58
mhznp05:58
Yagisanmhz: and make it look nice05:58
mhzhehehe05:59
mhznp05:59
Yagisanmhz: A cleaned up etherboot howto05:59
mhzok, do you want me to replace if for another existing page? or new page?05:59
Yagisanmhz: Replace the existing page (my irc chat)06:00
mhzokidoki06:00
Yagisanmhz: it's this page http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientWithoutPxe06:00
mhzogra: i cant get to edubuntu tour page06:03
ograhttp://www.edubuntu.org/tour.html06:04
mhzduh!06:05
mhzi was looking up at the wiki :)06:05
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mhzYagisan: please check the url and tell me what you think06:21
mhz(pxe wiki)06:21
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Yagisanogra: Check out http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe06:39
Yagisanmhz did a nice update of my howto :)06:39
YagisanThat looks really nice considering I sent him a .txt file06:39
ogracool06:40
Yagisanogra: I didn't cover the bios mod or hard disk boot methods to save on support issues06:41
ograthat didnt occur yet...06:41
ogralest see if we get any requests for it at all06:41
Yagisanogra: I've done all 4 methods06:43
ograsure, but unless someone asks, why should we bother :)06:44
Yagisanon a reasonably modern system the bios mod is the most convienient06:44
Yagisanbut I killed a perfectly good p2 doing one06:44
ograon a reasonably modern system you most likely have PXE ;)06:44
Yagisanone could only wish .... 06:44
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clandestinoIs there any way to use a Sun UltraSparc as a thin client?08:01
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Yagisanclandestino: at the moment no08:26
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Yagisanclandestino: but if/when ubuntu is on sparc, and if qemu supports sparc enough to set up a client08:27
Yagisanclandestino: I'll look at adding support for it to ubuntus ltsp.08:27
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clandestinoThat would be very nice of you.08:28
Yagisanclandestino: I recently tried to add ppc client support (with either i386 or amd64 as the server) but that didn't go too08:31
Yagisanwell as qemu didn't support enough ppc08:31
Yagisanclandestino: sadly I don't see it happening soon, but I'd add it when it is possible08:32
Yagisananyway I should go to bed now - it's 4:30am! 08:32
Yagisannight all08:33
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bluefrog-10hi Is there a command to know what encryption is used by ubuntu pls?09:17
crimsunencryption in what sense?09:18
bluefrog-10used for passwords. MD5 SSHA...09:18
bluefrog-10the passwords we use to log in09:18
crimsunmore /etc/pam.d/common-password09:19
bluefrog-10oh ok ty09:19
crimsunnp09:22
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ajmitch__ogra: ping?12:00

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