[12:04] <ogra> its the legacy tool to set up ltsp
[12:04] <jelkner> do we install ltspadmin in edubuntu?
[12:04] <ogra> we still support the legacy ltsp...
[12:04] <bluefrog-10> hi just installed samba+ldap on ubu-server and no more sudo (pam can't retrieve authentif info)any1 can help?
[12:04] <ogra> nope, but its in universe
[12:05] <jelkner> ok, so i won't worry about it
[12:05] <jelkner> but i'm glad to know in case i hear someone talking about it
[12:05] <ogra> bluefrog-10, sorry, to tired... i'm here since 20h
[12:05] <jelkner> i gotta run, thanks ogra!
[12:05] <bluefrog-10> :)
[12:05] <ogra> ciao jelkner 
[12:05] <ogra> bluefrog-10, probably in #ubuntu 
[01:27] <pitux> hello
[01:27] <pitux> i need help for test about tecnology and education for teachers?
[01:28] <pitux> alguien que hable espa~nol y me ayude con el idioma
[02:37] <pschulz01> Hello... is there any artwork for Edubuntu suitable for printing onto CD? 
[02:44] <dabaR> pschulz01: did you look at the web site?
[03:19] <pschulz01> dabaR: looking... can't see anything there though.
[05:40] <N6REJ> good evening all.. what is the difference between breezy standard and edubuntu?
[06:34] <BeanDip> howdy folks
[06:34] <BeanDip> having a problem here
[06:34] <BeanDip> I installed ubuntu breezy server
[06:34] <BeanDip> installed ltsp following the wiki guide
[06:34] <BeanDip> I get booted up to a xdm login screen
[06:34] <BeanDip> but I can't login with any of my server's user accounts
[09:17] <highvoltage> heh
[09:17] <juliux> hi
[09:18] <highvoltage> hu juliux 
[09:18] <juliux> we lost our chanserv
[09:18] <highvoltage> freenode in a stat of chaos
[09:18] <juliux> no not freenode
[09:18] <juliux> its level3
[09:19] <juliux> http://scoreboard.keynote.com/Scoreboard/Main.aspx
[09:21] <highvoltage> ok
[10:11] <berlinux> hi
[10:12] <berlinux> ogra, awake already?
[10:25] <ogra> tsk... missed them...
[11:48] <highvoltage> I love Ubuntu!
[11:51] <ogra> we all do :)
[11:51] <ogra> but i love edubuntu more :P
[11:51] <JaneW> heh
[11:52] <highvoltage> i love edubuntu and ubuntu equally.
[11:52] <highvoltage> okay okay, i'm lying. i like edubuntu more too :)
[11:54] <JaneW> ogra: cool ->   11:00  Mighty Edubuntu - Ubuntu for Kids and Schools
[11:54] <JaneW>          Oliver Grawert
[11:55] <ogra> love day ? 
[11:56] <highvoltage> oh yes, i started putting the python pages together: http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/6/index.py?tour
[11:57] <highvoltage> if you click on the images now you get it in an edubuntu page, instead of just a image.
[11:57] <juliux> ogra, the edubuntu server will be in Essen
[11:57] <juliux> ogra, i have bought my ticket today
[11:58] <ogra> great ... 
[12:00] <juliux> ogra, i travel 15h with the train
[12:00] <ogra> gah
[12:00] <juliux> ogra, both ways
[12:01] <juliux> ogra, i will have enough time to read my university stuff
[12:03] <ogra> heh
[12:04] <bluefrog-10> ogra can't talk right now cause am going to eat but i'd like to have a chat with u later on if possible about samba-ldap edubuntu. (not asking questions but hopefully helping you on that, i don't know how far advanced you are on that project)
[12:05] <ogra> not far yet, every help appreciated :-D
[12:08] <ogra> highvoltage, the ooo2 pics are missing
[12:08] <ogra> (the zoomed ones)
[12:10] <bluefrog-10> k c ya later have done a good job (well for my skills which are not high...). have to test it from scratch again to see if it works straight that time.
[12:11] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, i'll sort it out.
[12:13] <highvoltage> apt-cache is broken. if i type apt-cache search quake4 it returns nothing :)
[12:17] <ogra> highvoltage, doom3 isnt found either :/
[12:18] <ogra> as well as doom4 :)
[12:18] <ogra> or 5 
[12:29] <ogra> JaneW, relax a bit... go sleeping...
[12:30] <ajmitch_> hi ogra, juliux 
[12:30] <ajmitch_> s/juliux/janew/
[12:30] <ogra> hey ajmitch_ 
[12:30] <ajmitch_> silly tab complete :)
[12:36] <JaneW> hi ajmitch_ 
[12:36] <JaneW> ogra - I'd love to!
[12:37] <ajmitch_> too busy?
[12:37] <ogra> just do it ... or is your schedule to stuffed ? 
[12:43] <JaneW> I'm at the office mainly...
[12:43] <JaneW> and have stuff to do
[12:44] <JaneW> and have to give chmj a lift home (but maybe we can leave a little early)
[12:47] <JaneW> nobody has a proposal on http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuShippingPlans yet... so it's unlikely we'll be printing CDs :/
[01:11] <JaneW> ogra: was there any conclusion to that distro discussion? I didn't get a single direct answer...
[01:12] <ogra> JaneW, yes, there wont be a distinction
[01:13] <JaneW> ogra: ok
[01:58] <highvoltage> weekend. must. come.... now....
[01:58] <ogra> pfft... 
[01:58] <ogra> its not even 2pm here ....
[01:59] <JaneW> highvoltage: ditto
[01:59] <JaneW> highvoltage:  where's that joy from yesterday - I need some...
[01:59] <ajmitch_> hm
[02:00] <ajmitch_> 1am sat morning here
[02:01] <JaneW> night :)
[02:02] <ogra> sleep well ajmitch_ 
[02:02] <ajmitch_> night
[02:22] <ogra> Yagisan, here ? 
[02:25] <Yagisan> ogra: yeah
[02:25] <ogra> i have a breezy user who cant boot his clients from floppy...
[02:25] <Yagisan> rather stressed though - have uni assignment due in 45 minutes and I started it today =-O
[02:26] <ogra> he seems to use a .zdsk...
[02:26] <Yagisan> yep - go on
[02:26] <ogra> i guess he rather needs .zpxe ?
[02:26] <Yagisan> .zdsk is a raw floppy image
[02:26] <ogra> yes
[02:27] <ogra> and plain etherboot as i understand it
[02:27] <Yagisan> my guess is tha either a) he did tick to put a pxe stack on the floppy
[02:27] <Yagisan> s/did/did not/
[02:27] <Yagisan> b) his floppy isn't working
[02:27] <Yagisan> c) he picked the wrong driver
[02:28] <ogra> they were working with redhat he says
[02:28] <ogra> (he's in #ltsp)
[02:28] <Yagisan> ogra: I'll join in half a sec
[02:37] <ogra> edubuntu on its first fair :) -> http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/berlinux/DSCN9044.JPG
[02:37] <ogra> JaneW ^^
[02:52] <JaneW> ogra: COOL
[02:53] <ogra> yup
[02:53] <JaneW> nice pic
[02:55] <juliux> strange why i dont know anything that ubuntu is there ?
[02:56] <ogra> are you active in the berlin LUG ?
[02:56] <juliux> ogra, now but i do the fair work for germany
[02:56] <juliux> s/germany/ubuntu in germany
[02:57] <ogra> thats organized by the LUG
[02:57] <juliux> ogra, thats right but we, jrg and I do manage that ubuntu have a both on this fairs
[02:58] <ogra> this time the LUG managed it internally, whats wrong ?
[03:12] <highvoltage> ogra: how's berlin lug?
[03:13] <ogra> no idea
[03:13] <ogra> i'm not there... thats doko
[03:14] <highvoltage> he kept on talking about how great ms project is.
[03:14] <highvoltage> i just couldn't take it anymore.
[03:16] <ogra> there is no matching software in linux yet... so he might be right...
[03:16] <highvoltage> it's not about linux.
[03:16] <highvoltage> it's about me, not having to hear what he's using.
[03:16] <highvoltage> what he does in his computer is his choice, but i don't have to hear about it.
[03:20] <ogra> true :)
[03:24] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I find projectile vomiting on people stops them from saying how wonderful MS software is :)
[03:26] <highvoltage> Yagisan: i'll practice that, thanks, that's good advice
[03:26] <ogra> eek
[03:27] <highvoltage> my word. our wiki pages are in a bigger mess than i thought.
[03:28] <highvoltage> according to our wiki frontpage, all the docs are here: http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg
[03:28] <highvoltage> pgg... wrong link :)
[03:28] <highvoltage> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation
[03:29] <highvoltage> StepByStepLtspSetup on that page is far outdated, and i think there are lots of pages missing.
[03:29] <highvoltage> (pages that exist that's not listed)
[03:30] <ogra> woah, what a pic
[03:30] <ogra> so wipe it ...
[03:30] <highvoltage> and wiki.edubuntu.org should link to /EdubuntuWiki
[03:30] <highvoltage> yes, i will
[03:31] <highvoltage> ogra: do you know what the decision was from the docteam? I think I heard they discussed whether they should cover the 'other' distros such as edubuntu and kubuntu as well.
[03:31] <highvoltage> pity jsgotango isn't here.
[03:33] <ogra> no idea, but we tarted for motu to make all docs /MOTU/Teams /MOTU/Blah etc
[03:42] <Yagisan> ogra: in current ltsp - swap over nbd isn't possible yet is it ?
[03:42] <ogra> i thought it is...
[03:43] <Yagisan> ogra: It's not set up that way by default ? no config files for the client
[03:44] <Yagisan> to tell it to use a swap file on the server
[03:44] <ogra> ah, ok.. i have to discuss that with mdz
[03:46] <highvoltage> have a good weekend, #edubuntu.
[03:55] <ogra> cool
[03:56] <ogra> magnon, what do you do there ? 
[03:56] <magnon> waiting to go to Montreal ;)
[03:56] <magnon> visiting a friend first
[03:56] <ogra> ah, nice
[03:56] <magnon> nice enough now
[03:56] <ogra> when will you arrive in .ca ?
[03:57] <magnon> on Saturday
[03:57] <magnon> hm
[03:57] <magnon> or was it Friday
[03:57] <magnon> the 28th, which is Friday
[03:59] <enyc> 0000
[04:00] <magnon> I'll have to remember handing in the little visa waiver form stub to the canadians
[04:00] <magnon> they almost didn't let me into the country because I didn't know the exact house number here
[04:01] <Yagisan> woohoo - assignment in with 60 seconds to spare :)
[04:03] <doko> hi ogra
[04:03] <ogra> hey doko
[04:15] <doko> well, the edubuntu desktop looks really more interesting than the ubuntu desktop :-)
[04:19] <ogra> hehe
[04:19] <ogra> people already called me "racist" because of the wallpaper :)
[04:20] <ogra> (did you note the girl is "only white" !)
[04:20] <ogra> (and i'm not joking)
[04:21] <Yagisan> ogra: it's racist to discriminate against white girls too
[04:21] <Yagisan> ogra: and that girl is clearly yellow
[04:21] <Yagisan> ogra: someone should recalibrate their monitor
[04:21] <ogra> depends, on my laptop screen it appears white :)
[04:21] <ogra> cant calibrate
[04:22] <ogra> only brightness
[04:22] <Yagisan> ogra: I admit, a really pale shade of yellow, but it is yellow
[04:22] <ogra> ext release we'll make her blue and nobody can complain :)
[04:25] <Yagisan> ogra: that's racist - what about all the green people :-P
[04:26] <ogra> damned, you areright... and the violet ones
[04:26] <vmarks> the green ones are soylent anyway
[04:26] <ogra> lol
[04:28] <Yagisan> ogra: then we have to contend with the sexist comments
[04:28] <ogra> Yagisan, oh yes... we'll need a crowd with all colours and genders as wallpaper next release i guess ;)
[04:30] <Yagisan> ogra: then we need everything from fetuses to corpses so we don't get accused of age bias
[04:30] <ogra> we only target 6-18 :)
[04:30] <ogra> (6-16 imho)
[04:31] <Yagisan> yes - put we have to be "politically correct" don't we
[04:31] <Yagisan> then we need gays and straights
[04:31] <Yagisan> and then the transgenders
[04:32] <Yagisan> or we could go with a picture of say puppys
[04:32] <Yagisan> and all the pc bullshit can go out the window
[04:33] <ogra> oh god, the schools will kill me... gays and straights on a school wallpaper :) probably pic of christoper street day 
[04:34] <ogra> i think we'll go completely without animals and humans next time :)
[04:34] <ogra> abstract and colourful
[04:34] <Yagisan> I think we should be really controversial, I say go the goatse man - that will get us lots of attention :-P
[04:35] <ogra> heh
[04:35] <Yagisan> if that's too controversial, we could go with the censored version :)
[04:36] <ogra> we could just reuse the warty calendar artwork and tinit it in different colors :)
[04:37] <Yagisan> seriously, are the pc whingers are that big of a problem ?
[04:37] <ogra> not really... but it made some trouble after release
[04:40] <Yagisan> I really don't understand their issues, and I'm White, my Wife is Yellow, and my little girl is Coffee
[04:40] <Yagisan> so I'd be in tune with real racist issues
[04:40] <Yagisan> yet I really can't see the issue with a pastel coloured girl wallpaper
[04:41] <ogra> me neither... 
[04:41] <ogra> but some people always find something to complain
[04:42] <jeffbuntu> Hi, you give me some advice last wednesday (pseudo jeffc)
[04:42] <ogra> yup
[04:43] <jeffbuntu> today i made a new fresh install to test
[04:43] <Yagisan> If I did, I wouldn't remember - I'm bad with names
[04:43] <jeffbuntu> all the install go ok, but 
[04:44] <jeffbuntu> the mouse doesn't work on terminal(s)
[04:44] <jeffbuntu> and i don't find some lts.conf
[04:44] <Yagisan> sounds like psmouse isn't loaded
[04:45] <ogra> jeffbuntu, that was a serial mouse, right ? 
[04:45] <jeffbuntu> no ps2
[04:45] <ogra> hmm
[04:45] <ogra> that should work...
[04:46] <jeffbuntu> is there some config file to adjust? like lts.conf
[04:46] <ogra> try setting a root password for the thin client:
[04:46] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[04:47] <ogra> then switch to console on the client and log in as root... 
[04:47] <Yagisan> jeffbuntu: are all systems ps2 mice ?
[04:47] <ogra> (ctrl-alt-f1)
[04:47] <jeffbuntu> the two i have try
[04:47] <ogra> and look if the psmouse module is loaded
[04:47] <jeffbuntu> i see
[04:48] <ogra> the keyboard works ? 
[04:48] <jeffbuntu> yes
[04:49] <ogra> if you cant find it with: lsmod|grep psmouse
[04:49] <ogra> add the word psmouse to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules
[04:49] <ogra> its a bit strange since mousedev should pull in psmouse
[04:50] <ogra> and mousedev is hardcoded in this file
[04:50] <ogra> after you are done, dont forget to lock the root pw: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -l (on the server)
[05:03] <jeffbuntu> i've reboot the terminal, and it say login incorrect (with root)
[05:03] <jeffbuntu> i don't reboot the server
[05:03] <ogra> on the console ?
[05:04] <ogra> that should work...
[05:04] <ogra> are you sure the password is right? 
[05:04] <ogra> (no need to reboot anything)
[05:04] <jeffbuntu> i try with another password
[05:07] <jeffbuntu> with "toto" no problem, but the grep wtih "mouse" show only mousedev
[05:09] <ogra> try modprobe psmouse
[05:09] <ogra> switch to ctrl-alt-f7 and hit ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X... see if it works
[05:09] <Yagisan> jeffbuntu: how did it go ?
[05:10] <jeffbuntu> i see in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules and there is only one module : mousedev
[05:10] <ogra> yes, thats ok...
[05:10] <ogra> it normally triggers a hotplug event that loads psmouse
[05:11] <jeffbuntu> it's okay with the modprobe
[05:11] <ogra> but if the modprobe works, you should add it to that file
[05:11] <ogra> then te hotplug event has a race condition or something else is wrong... 
[05:12] <ogra> you are the second person that had this prob, so i'll have to investigate a bit more why it doesnt get loaded for some people ...
[05:12] <ogra> it definately works here :/
[05:13] <jeffbuntu> i can give you my "dmesg"
[05:14] <ogra> yes, can you mail it to ogra@ubuntu.com ? i'll archive it for further investigtion :)
[05:27] <jeffbuntu> it's gone, i've to use an old floppy to copy the file from the terminal to my pc
[05:29] <ogra> ok... i'll have to investigate anyway... dont make o much hassle there
[05:32] <jeffbuntu> I've a subsidiary question, is there a simple method to re-use the account of users when you change of linux distribution (with a home partition on another partition) ?
[05:33] <ogra> sure
[05:33] <jeffbuntu> yes ;)
[05:33] <ogra> just make sure the ID is the same....
[05:34] <jeffbuntu> re create the users with the same id it's that
[05:36] <ogra> yes
[05:37] <jeffbuntu> what's about "rights" and passwords ?
[05:42] <ogra> i'd set the passwords with the tool the distro uses...
[05:42] <ogra> the rights will apply as they did before
[05:42] <ogra> the only important thing is that the ID matches 
[05:43] <mhz> moin
[05:44] <Yagisan> G'day mhz - been waiting ages for you
[05:44] <mhz> lol
[05:44] <Yagisan> didn't see you at all yesterday
[05:44] <mhz> Yagisan: Victor Moral got back to work today.
[05:45] <mhz> I'll have a tech meeting with him at 15:40 today
[05:45] <jeffbuntu> okay, thanks a lot and good week-end in your country (mine is France as you devine with my poor english ;) )
[05:45] <mhz> Yagisan: yep, I've been making phone calls for the EdubunTour
[05:45] <Yagisan> mhz: the suspense is killing my wife
[05:45] <mhz> hehehe
[05:46] <Yagisan> no worries jeffbuntu
[05:46] <Yagisan> mhz - she keeps asking - do you have an email yet ?
[05:46] <mhz> please do not have great expectations. Even if the gang says "yes", we'll still gotta make biz plans
[05:47] <mhz> ogra: what do you prefer better? EdubunTour or Edubuntu Chilean Tour ?
[05:48] <Yagisan> mhz: I know - but it allows all of us to make plans (preferably to our mutual benefit)
[05:48] <ogra> we already have a website called edubuntu tour ... so chilenian might be better
[05:48] <mhz> Yagisan: booting/ do you if it is possible to have a CD for multiple types of netcard machines to boot from?
[05:49] <mhz> ogra: oh, i see
[05:50] <Yagisan> mhz: no (far too many pc's do not support multi-boot el-torito to make it practical)
[05:50] <mhz> however, I hope you see the 'Edubun_Tour' game
[05:50] <mhz> Yagisan: so, a floppy for each machine?
[05:51] <mhz> Yagisan: i mean, if i have 30 machines that do not boot from eth0, then, i'll have to make a floppy for each?
[05:52] <ogra> mhz, you could run around with one floppy everytime you boot :p
[05:52] <ogra> this also keeps the network load low if you only boot a client at a time :)
[05:52] <Yagisan> mhz: you need one for each different type of nic
[05:52] <ogra> might take ages though
[05:52] <mhz> :(
[05:52] <mhz> tsktsktsktsk
[05:54] <Yagisan> mhz: you just need a few cd's for the most common nics
[05:55] <mhz> ok, I see
[05:58] <Yagisan> mhz: can I get you to fix something on the wiki
[05:58] <Yagisan> mhz: I'd like to send you some documentation to put on the wiki
[05:58] <mhz> of course
[05:58] <mhz> np
[05:58] <Yagisan> mhz: and make it look nice
[05:59] <mhz> hehehe
[05:59] <mhz> np
[05:59] <Yagisan> mhz: A cleaned up etherboot howto
[05:59] <mhz> ok, do you want me to replace if for another existing page? or new page?
[06:00] <Yagisan> mhz: Replace the existing page (my irc chat)
[06:00] <mhz> okidoki
[06:00] <Yagisan> mhz: it's this page http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientWithoutPxe
[06:03] <mhz> ogra: i cant get to edubuntu tour page
[06:04] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/tour.html
[06:05] <mhz> duh!
[06:05] <mhz> i was looking up at the wiki :)
[06:21] <mhz> Yagisan: please check the url and tell me what you think
[06:21] <mhz> (pxe wiki)
[06:39] <Yagisan> ogra: Check out http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[06:39] <Yagisan> mhz did a nice update of my howto :)
[06:39] <Yagisan> That looks really nice considering I sent him a .txt file
[06:40] <ogra> cool
[06:41] <Yagisan> ogra: I didn't cover the bios mod or hard disk boot methods to save on support issues
[06:41] <ogra> that didnt occur yet...
[06:41] <ogra> lest see if we get any requests for it at all
[06:43] <Yagisan> ogra: I've done all 4 methods
[06:44] <ogra> sure, but unless someone asks, why should we bother :)
[06:44] <Yagisan> on a reasonably modern system the bios mod is the most convienient
[06:44] <Yagisan> but I killed a perfectly good p2 doing one
[06:44] <ogra> on a reasonably modern system you most likely have PXE ;)
[06:44] <Yagisan> one could only wish .... 
[08:01] <clandestino> Is there any way to use a Sun UltraSparc as a thin client?
[08:26] <Yagisan> clandestino: at the moment no
[08:27] <Yagisan> clandestino: but if/when ubuntu is on sparc, and if qemu supports sparc enough to set up a client
[08:27] <Yagisan> clandestino: I'll look at adding support for it to ubuntus ltsp.
[08:28] <clandestino> That would be very nice of you.
[08:31] <Yagisan> clandestino: I recently tried to add ppc client support (with either i386 or amd64 as the server) but that didn't go too
[08:31] <Yagisan> well as qemu didn't support enough ppc
[08:32] <Yagisan> clandestino: sadly I don't see it happening soon, but I'd add it when it is possible
[08:32] <Yagisan> anyway I should go to bed now - it's 4:30am! 
[08:33] <Yagisan> night all
[09:17] <bluefrog-10> hi Is there a command to know what encryption is used by ubuntu pls?
[09:18] <crimsun> encryption in what sense?
[09:18] <bluefrog-10> used for passwords. MD5 SSHA...
[09:18] <bluefrog-10> the passwords we use to log in
[09:19] <crimsun> more /etc/pam.d/common-password
[09:19] <bluefrog-10> oh ok ty
[09:22] <crimsun> np
[12:00] <ajmitch__> ogra: ping?