| allee | kdevelop3: when one create a new project (rb or c++) has only custom lisenze (aka none ;) but not GPL LPGL as a choice. When I first played with kdevelop long ago they were selectable. | 12:58 |
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| freeflying | build Linux 1 - 2 Windows Linux ... 10/28 | 06:50 |
| Tm_T | ok? | 07:05 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: hmm, I have no idea what you're saying, 2w1121please try to use english | 07:07 |
| Tm_T | whoops | 07:07 |
| freeflying | Tm_t: sorry for paste chinese here | 07:07 |
| Tm_T | :) | 07:08 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: np but propably noone here knows it ;) | 07:08 |
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| pef | hello | 08:30 |
| mornfall | wobble | 09:32 |
| mornfall | i have updated the adept 2.0 feature list on http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html -- comments? | 09:33 |
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| Tm_T | mornfall: following that level3 episode | 09:44 |
| Tm_T | ? | 09:44 |
| mornfall | hmmh? | 09:45 |
| Tm_T | big part of network is down | 09:45 |
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| mornfall | how is that related? :) | 10:07 |
| Tm_T | is it? | 10:09 |
| Tm_T | just thought | 10:10 |
| Tm_T | seems to be quite funny | 10:10 |
| Tm_T | and less funny | 10:10 |
| mornfall | oh well | 10:10 |
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| Tm_T | :) | 10:10 |
| Tm_T | good idea | 10:11 |
| Tm_T | more coffee to me | 10:11 |
| Tm_T | mornfall: ok, looks good, just remember to show konsole part as default | 10:23 |
| Tm_T | hide only as option ;) | 10:23 |
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| cmvo | Riddell: Hi Jonathan | 06:05 |
| Riddell | hi cmvo | 06:06 |
| cmvo | On the GUIAPP admin mode problem. I noticed that admin mode worked after an update until the next reboot. | 06:07 |
| cmvo | and did some "tests". It seems it you install a kde package the admin mode works until shutdown. | 06:08 |
| cmvo | sri, it=if :-) | 06:08 |
| cmvo | Riddell: Hm, do I need the Riddell prefix for the text to reach you? | 06:13 |
| Riddell | it helps :0 | 06:14 |
| Riddell | :) | 06:14 |
| Riddell | there's no pattern at all that I can see in the admin problem | 06:14 |
| Riddell | well, it working again after update is a pattern but there's no reason why that should make any difference | 06:15 |
| cmvo | I don't know why, but it is so here. reboot: no admin, aptitude reinstall kdebase-data, admin works | 06:16 |
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| cmvo | I tried reinstalling kdebase-data, kdebase-bin, ksysguard and kscreensaver and in all 4 cases it restore admin mode. reinstalling a non kde package zip did not... | 06:17 |
| Riddell | ok, so that makes half sense | 06:29 |
| Riddell | but why should rebooting then break it again? | 06:29 |
| Riddell | it's insane I tell you | 06:29 |
| cmvo | Riddell: It is really strange. What changes in the system during the reboot that cause it to break? | 06:33 |
| Riddell | permissions on sockets and the like are the mose likely culprit | 06:35 |
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| cmvo | Riddell: That's what I think too. I'm staring at /tmp right now. But its cleared during reboot... | 06:39 |
| cmvo | Riddell: The reinstall works even in a konsole window, a shutdown of kde is not needed. | 06:40 |
| Riddell | yeah, it's all rather random and evil | 06:41 |
| cmvo | Riddell: But what is the diference between the kscreensaver and zip debs to make it work for one and not the other.. | 06:43 |
| cmvo | Riddell: For me it has been the same for hoary and breezy. But I have yet to try the reinstall trick on hoary. | 06:44 |
| Riddell | I don't think anything has changed | 06:45 |
| allee | cmvo: When you install KDE pkgs dirs/files that are what by kded(?) are rescanned | 06:46 |
| allee | cmvo: that's no explanation just one diff between installing a kde and not kde e.g. zip pkg | 06:46 |
| allee | s/what/watched/ by kde ... | 06:47 |
| cmvo | allee: I don't know (maybe yet :-) As it is so strange, I'm clinging to every straw... | 06:49 |
| allee | I had a look at ksysguard postinst: may run update-menu; update-desktop-database and ldconfig. | 06:51 |
| allee | cmvo: you may try to run these instead of a kde pkg installation | 06:51 |
| allee | cmvo: rerunning kbuildsyscoca is another possibility (but I still can imaging how this is related to admin mode problem) | 06:52 |
| cmvo | allee: kscreensaver doesn't even have a postinst. | 06:53 |
| allee | cmvo: even better. so only kbuildsyscoca left ;) Another try is: touch `dpkg -L ksysguard` | 06:55 |
| cmvo | allee: time for another reboot... | 06:56 |
| allee | cmvo: see you later ;) | 06:56 |
| cmvo | allee: Aha! kbuildsycoca it seems to be. | 06:58 |
| Riddell | running kbuildsycoca temporarily fixes it? | 06:59 |
| cmvo | allee: After running kbuildsycoca admin mode works. | 06:59 |
| Riddell | until reboot? | 06:59 |
| allee | cmvo: whao! Mhmm, afair kbuildsyscoca keeps stuff in /var/tmp/kdecache-tmp this is not cleared during reboot | 07:00 |
| cmvo | Ridell: Yup, kbscc fixes it, just doing the reboot to verify. | 07:01 |
| cmvo | allee: Have to do a look a /var/tmp after the reboot. | 07:02 |
| allee | I'm not sure but isn't on startup kbuildsyscoca only run in incremental mode???? Maybe theres a difference | 07:02 |
| cmvo | Riddell: After the reboot its broken again. | 07:02 |
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| cmvo | allee: Strange, strange, strange. kbscc complains about /var/tmp/kdecache-<uid> and /tmp/kde-<uid> not beeing owned by root. But changing it does not help. | 07:18 |
| allee | cmvo: uh, those dirs where never owned by root. Can it be that your tmp dirs are not mode 1777? | 07:19 |
| Riddell | they should be owned by the user I'm sure | 07:19 |
| cmvo | running kbscc only helps when run via sudo, not from a root shell. | 07:23 |
| Riddell | don't run kbuildsycoca with sudo | 07:23 |
| cmvo | Should both /tmp and /var/tmp be mode 1777? | 07:23 |
| Riddell | yes | 07:24 |
| cmvo | ok, both are. kdecache-<uid> subdirs are 700. | 07:26 |
| cmvo | holmes | 07:34 |
| cmvo | sri, wrong keyboard :-) | 07:34 |
| Riddell | wrong keyboard? that's a new one :) | 07:36 |
| cmvo | I had to run kbscc sudo because the ksycoca is owned by root. I don't if this is from my fiddlings, but i change it and try again. | 07:38 |
| allee | cmvo: to run a prog one need execute access, one has not to own the file | 07:39 |
| allee | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2904 2005-10-09 10:19 /usr/bin/kbuildsycoca | 07:40 |
| cmvo | I mean the ksycoca database file in /var/tmp/kdecache-<uid>, its mode 644 and owned by root. | 07:41 |
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| Riddell | /var/tmp/kdecache-jr should be owned by user | 07:43 |
| Riddell | cmvo: sudo chown -R foo.foo /var/tmp/kdecache-foo | 07:44 |
| Riddell | does that fix the problem permanently? | 07:44 |
| cmvo | already done so, just rebooting | 07:44 |
| Riddell | the weird thing is that kdesu in general keeps working with this problem, it's just admin mode in control centre that breaks | 07:45 |
| cmvo | grr, nope. but i can run kbuildsycoca as user and it fixes it... | 07:46 |
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| cmvo | I got both kdecache-<uid> and kdecache-<uid>M8sFG1 subdirs, both containing ksycoca database files. is this ok? | 07:51 |
| Riddell | no too sure what that means | 07:54 |
| cmvo | I deleted kdecache-<uid>M8sFG1 from recovery mode and it get recreated presumably during kde startup and now admin mode works without running kbuildsycoca. | 07:58 |
| Riddell | even after reboot? | 07:58 |
| cmvo | yup | 07:58 |
| Riddell | well that's a start at least | 07:59 |
| === Riddell has spent many a long hour staring at this problem | ||
| Riddell | it's also impossible to recreate, no idea what sets it off | 08:00 |
| Riddell | although it'll be some evil sudo stuff | 08:00 |
| cmvo | Strangely it gets recreated with the same cryptic suffix. I though it was a tmp suffix and would be different. | 08:00 |
| Riddell | hmm, spooky | 08:01 |
| cmvo | I believe those many long hours... | 08:03 |
| cmvo | Is it just a kubuntu problem or also a kde problem? | 08:05 |
| Riddell | it's been reported by non-kubuntu users but we get it more so I think it's a kde problem that's increased by our sudo patches | 08:06 |
| cmvo | Hm, the kdesu_:0 socket in /tmp/ksocket-<uid> it owned by <uid>:nogroup all other sockets are owned by <uid>:<uid>. | 08:09 |
| allee | cmvo: check ~/.kde where the link points to. Maybe when kdecache-<you> was not writeable for you it created other links? | 08:11 |
| Sime | hey | 08:11 |
| allee | if yes logout kde and remove the links in .kde and login again | 08:12 |
| allee | Sime: hey. Read backlog: looks like cmvo will be the kubuntu hero of the year (at least mine) ;) | 08:13 |
| Riddell | cmvo: I have nogroup too, I think kdesu does that on purpose | 08:14 |
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| cmvo | allee: tnx, but only if the real reason is found :-) | 08:16 |
| allee | cmvo: I trust you! | 08:16 |
| allee | cmvo: about the links in ~kde/ do they explain the strange M8sFG1? | 08:17 |
| allee | you can remove everything in /var/cache/kde*<me> when you are logged out of KDE | 08:18 |
| cmvo | yup, it was the links in .kde that caused the second kdecache-<uid> to be created. I guess ksycoca was not writable at 19:06 so the second dir was created. | 08:18 |
| cmvo | do you know when kbuildsycoca is run during the kde startup? it does not seem to be in startkde | 08:24 |
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| Riddell | I don't actually | 08:25 |
| cmvo | hm, ksycoca is binary. do you know of a dumptool for it? | 08:26 |
| Riddell | cat /var/tmp/kdecache-jr/ksycoca | 08:29 |
| Riddell | I guess | 08:29 |
| cmvo | does not help much as it is binary. | 08:30 |
| allee | cmvo: ksyscoca is a binary form of application, services, protocol desktop files to speed up startup and access time | 08:30 |
| allee | cmvo: no KDE really read the desktop files. the all as access the ksyscoco db | 08:31 |
| allee | s/no KDE/no KDE app/ | 08:31 |
| cmvo | i know what it is, but would like to compare its contents before and after a reboot | 08:32 |
| cmvo | seems to be time for a look a the sources... | 08:34 |
| allee | show about rsync -a kdecache-$USER to another dir run kbuildsyscoca then check what files changes. with xdelta you should be able to do a diff | 08:35 |
| cmvo | the is no difference. ksycoca is not touched during kde startup. | 08:37 |
| allee | and after running kbuildsyscoca? | 08:39 |
| cmvo | it is, but i can tell what changed | 08:40 |
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| cmvo | xdelta does not help much. but it changed very little. | 08:46 |
| allee | cmp and xdelta? does it change the same way (offset, same size of xdelta) when you run kbuildsyscoca once more? | 08:46 |
| allee | cmvo: maybe best ask #kde-devel how to dump it. Maybe there someone has even an idea why running kbuildsyscoca influenced the admin mode | 08:47 |
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| cmvo | thats my idea too. but it'll have to wait. i have to go, i'm very late already. | 08:49 |
| cmvo | to=too :-) | 08:49 |
| allee | same prob here! | 08:50 |
| cmvo | ok, depending on where in the world everybody is. have a nice day/evening/night and see you all tomorrow. | 08:51 |
| allee | bye cmvo and thx! | 08:52 |
| cmvo | you're welcome, hope we can find the real reason. | 08:52 |
| cmvo | Riddell: Good night 2u2. I think you are in Scottland. Hope you didn't mind me trying for so long. | 08:55 |
| Riddell | cmvo: thanks for looking at it | 08:56 |
| cmvo | Riddell: Thanks, cu! | 08:57 |
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| jjesse | Riddell: can you please apply the KDE Stylesheet to the Kquickguide doc please, don't know how you did it for the other docs | 09:11 |
| === Riddell adds jjesse's request to TODO list | ||
| jjesse | thanks | 09:14 |
| Riddell | actually there was a reason I didn't do that | 09:14 |
| Riddell | it didn't work with xsltproc or something | 09:14 |
| Riddell | and I couldn't get meinproc to output except as one large file | 09:15 |
| Riddell | I think | 09:15 |
| Sime | oh, allee is gone. I was going to explain to him how all I want is a *graphical* keyboard configuration module.... | 09:15 |
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| Riddell | hello raj | 10:29 |
| Riddell | hello olwin too | 10:29 |
| Tm_T | sir Riddell, I presume | 10:29 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 10:29 |
| === Riddell growels | ||
| raj | hello Riddell | 10:31 |
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| lippel | hi | 10:51 |
| lippel | some users reported problems with akregator from kubuntu 3.5 beta2 packages | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | many users | 10:52 |
| lippel | metakit plugin seems missing | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | and hi lippel | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | it's well known issue | 10:53 |
| Tm_T | at least widely reported | 10:53 |
| Tm_T | to me, no problems, using kdepim from 3.5 branch | 10:54 |
| Tm_T | some advantages when compiling stuff myself | 10:54 |
| lippel | Tm_T: looks like kbuildsycoca fuckup or something | 10:57 |
| lippel | hmm, i hear that the plugin is not installed at all | 10:57 |
| Tm_T | hm hm | 11:22 |
| Tm_T | lippel: anyway, I don't know what the problem is | 11:22 |
| lippel | Tm_T: libakregator_mk4storage_plugin.la/so is missing | 11:23 |
| Tm_T | ah | 11:23 |
| Tm_T | sounds like broken package | 11:24 |
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