[12:58] kdevelop3: when one create a new project (rb or c++) has only custom lisenze (aka none ;) but not GPL LPGL as a choice. When I first played with kdevelop long ago they were selectable. === claydoh [n=claydoh@65.99.187.196] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.6] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A625B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.6] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.6] has joined #kubuntu-devel === CaiN_SA [n=cain@rrba-146-94-75.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:50] build Linux 1 - 2 Windows Linux ... 10/28 [07:05] ok? 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[09:45] hmmh? [09:45] big part of network is down === _Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:07] how is that related? :) [10:09] is it? [10:10] just thought [10:10] seems to be quite funny [10:10] and less funny [10:10] oh well === mornfall decides to get a bit more sleep [10:10] :) [10:11] good idea [10:11] more coffee to me [10:23] mornfall: ok, looks good, just remember to show konsole part as default [10:23] hide only as option ;) === _olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-156-83-22.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.6] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jan [n=jan@ip219-169-58-81.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@62.225.11.174] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@62.225.11.174] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === jan [n=jan@ip219-169-58-81.adsl.versatel.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A625B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === spstarr_work [n=spstarr@192.219.104.10] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Sime [n=konversa@84.87.157.27] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #kubuntu-devel === amu [i=amu@he.debian.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tm_T [i=tm_travo@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel === je4d [n=jeff@kde/developer/je4d] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-156-92-96.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall [n=mornfall@r31s01p04.home.nbox.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-222-254.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-222-254.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F7C30.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@62.225.11.174] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRee [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:05] Riddell: Hi Jonathan [06:06] hi cmvo [06:07] On the GUIAPP admin mode problem. I noticed that admin mode worked after an update until the next reboot. [06:08] and did some "tests". It seems it you install a kde package the admin mode works until shutdown. [06:08] sri, it=if :-) [06:13] Riddell: Hm, do I need the Riddell prefix for the text to reach you? [06:14] it helps :0 [06:14] :) [06:14] there's no pattern at all that I can see in the admin problem [06:15] well, it working again after update is a pattern but there's no reason why that should make any difference [06:16] I don't know why, but it is so here. reboot: no admin, aptitude reinstall kdebase-data, admin works === JRee [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:17] I tried reinstalling kdebase-data, kdebase-bin, ksysguard and kscreensaver and in all 4 cases it restore admin mode. reinstalling a non kde package zip did not... [06:29] ok, so that makes half sense [06:29] but why should rebooting then break it again? [06:29] it's insane I tell you [06:33] Riddell: It is really strange. What changes in the system during the reboot that cause it to break? [06:35] permissions on sockets and the like are the mose likely culprit === apokryphos_ [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:39] Riddell: That's what I think too. I'm staring at /tmp right now. But its cleared during reboot... [06:40] Riddell: The reinstall works even in a konsole window, a shutdown of kde is not needed. [06:41] yeah, it's all rather random and evil [06:43] Riddell: But what is the diference between the kscreensaver and zip debs to make it work for one and not the other.. [06:44] Riddell: For me it has been the same for hoary and breezy. But I have yet to try the reinstall trick on hoary. [06:45] I don't think anything has changed [06:46] cmvo: When you install KDE pkgs dirs/files that are what by kded(?) are rescanned [06:46] cmvo: that's no explanation just one diff between installing a kde and not kde e.g. zip pkg [06:47] s/what/watched/ by kde ... [06:49] allee: I don't know (maybe yet :-) As it is so strange, I'm clinging to every straw... [06:51] I had a look at ksysguard postinst: may run update-menu; update-desktop-database and ldconfig. [06:51] cmvo: you may try to run these instead of a kde pkg installation [06:52] cmvo: rerunning kbuildsyscoca is another possibility (but I still can imaging how this is related to admin mode problem) [06:53] allee: kscreensaver doesn't even have a postinst. [06:55] cmvo: even better. so only kbuildsyscoca left ;) Another try is: touch `dpkg -L ksysguard` [06:56] allee: time for another reboot... [06:56] cmvo: see you later ;) [06:58] allee: Aha! kbuildsycoca it seems to be. [06:59] running kbuildsycoca temporarily fixes it? [06:59] allee: After running kbuildsycoca admin mode works. [06:59] until reboot? [07:00] cmvo: whao! Mhmm, afair kbuildsyscoca keeps stuff in /var/tmp/kdecache-tmp this is not cleared during reboot [07:01] Ridell: Yup, kbscc fixes it, just doing the reboot to verify. [07:02] allee: Have to do a look a /var/tmp after the reboot. [07:02] I'm not sure but isn't on startup kbuildsyscoca only run in incremental mode???? Maybe theres a difference [07:02] Riddell: After the reboot its broken again. === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:18] allee: Strange, strange, strange. kbscc complains about /var/tmp/kdecache- and /tmp/kde- not beeing owned by root. But changing it does not help. [07:19] cmvo: uh, those dirs where never owned by root. Can it be that your tmp dirs are not mode 1777? [07:19] they should be owned by the user I'm sure [07:23] running kbscc only helps when run via sudo, not from a root shell. [07:23] don't run kbuildsycoca with sudo [07:23] Should both /tmp and /var/tmp be mode 1777? [07:24] yes [07:26] ok, both are. kdecache- subdirs are 700. [07:34] holmes [07:34] sri, wrong keyboard :-) [07:36] wrong keyboard? that's a new one :) [07:38] I had to run kbscc sudo because the ksycoca is owned by root. I don't if this is from my fiddlings, but i change it and try again. [07:39] cmvo: to run a prog one need execute access, one has not to own the file [07:40] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2904 2005-10-09 10:19 /usr/bin/kbuildsycoca [07:41] I mean the ksycoca database file in /var/tmp/kdecache-, its mode 644 and owned by root. === olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-222-254.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:43] /var/tmp/kdecache-jr should be owned by user [07:44] cmvo: sudo chown -R foo.foo /var/tmp/kdecache-foo [07:44] does that fix the problem permanently? [07:44] already done so, just rebooting [07:45] the weird thing is that kdesu in general keeps working with this problem, it's just admin mode in control centre that breaks [07:46] grr, nope. but i can run kbuildsycoca as user and it fixes it... === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D0658.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:51] I got both kdecache- and kdecache-M8sFG1 subdirs, both containing ksycoca database files. is this ok? [07:54] no too sure what that means [07:58] I deleted kdecache-M8sFG1 from recovery mode and it get recreated presumably during kde startup and now admin mode works without running kbuildsycoca. [07:58] even after reboot? [07:58] yup [07:59] well that's a start at least === Riddell has spent many a long hour staring at this problem [08:00] it's also impossible to recreate, no idea what sets it off [08:00] although it'll be some evil sudo stuff [08:00] Strangely it gets recreated with the same cryptic suffix. I though it was a tmp suffix and would be different. [08:01] hmm, spooky [08:03] I believe those many long hours... [08:05] Is it just a kubuntu problem or also a kde problem? [08:06] it's been reported by non-kubuntu users but we get it more so I think it's a kde problem that's increased by our sudo patches [08:09] Hm, the kdesu_:0 socket in /tmp/ksocket- it owned by :nogroup all other sockets are owned by :. [08:11] cmvo: check ~/.kde where the link points to. Maybe when kdecache- was not writeable for you it created other links? [08:11] hey [08:12] if yes logout kde and remove the links in .kde and login again [08:13] Sime: hey. Read backlog: looks like cmvo will be the kubuntu hero of the year (at least mine) ;) [08:14] cmvo: I have nogroup too, I think kdesu does that on purpose === haggai_ [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:16] allee: tnx, but only if the real reason is found :-) [08:16] cmvo: I trust you! [08:17] cmvo: about the links in ~kde/ do they explain the strange M8sFG1? [08:18] you can remove everything in /var/cache/kde* when you are logged out of KDE [08:18] yup, it was the links in .kde that caused the second kdecache- to be created. I guess ksycoca was not writable at 19:06 so the second dir was created. [08:24] do you know when kbuildsycoca is run during the kde startup? it does not seem to be in startkde === haggai_ is now known as haggai [08:25] I don't actually [08:26] hm, ksycoca is binary. do you know of a dumptool for it? [08:29] cat /var/tmp/kdecache-jr/ksycoca [08:29] I guess [08:30] does not help much as it is binary. [08:30] cmvo: ksyscoca is a binary form of application, services, protocol desktop files to speed up startup and access time [08:31] cmvo: no KDE really read the desktop files. the all as access the ksyscoco db [08:31] s/no KDE/no KDE app/ [08:32] i know what it is, but would like to compare its contents before and after a reboot [08:34] seems to be time for a look a the sources... [08:35] show about rsync -a kdecache-$USER to another dir run kbuildsyscoca then check what files changes. with xdelta you should be able to do a diff [08:37] the is no difference. ksycoca is not touched during kde startup. [08:39] and after running kbuildsyscoca? [08:40] it is, but i can tell what changed === hunger [n=hunger@p54A61A2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-222-254.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:46] xdelta does not help much. but it changed very little. [08:46] cmp and xdelta? does it change the same way (offset, same size of xdelta) when you run kbuildsyscoca once more? [08:47] cmvo: maybe best ask #kde-devel how to dump it. Maybe there someone has even an idea why running kbuildsyscoca influenced the admin mode === allee is busy and should not even look at irc. sorry :( === _olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-222-254.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:49] thats my idea too. but it'll have to wait. i have to go, i'm very late already. [08:49] to=too :-) [08:50] same prob here! [08:51] ok, depending on where in the world everybody is. have a nice day/evening/night and see you all tomorrow. [08:52] bye cmvo and thx! [08:52] you're welcome, hope we can find the real reason. [08:55] Riddell: Good night 2u2. I think you are in Scottland. Hope you didn't mind me trying for so long. [08:56] cmvo: thanks for looking at it [08:57] Riddell: Thanks, cu! === cmvo [n=cmvo@62.225.11.174] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [09:11] Riddell: can you please apply the KDE Stylesheet to the Kquickguide doc please, don't know how you did it for the other docs === Riddell adds jjesse's request to TODO list [09:14] thanks [09:14] actually there was a reason I didn't do that [09:14] it didn't work with xsltproc or something [09:15] and I couldn't get meinproc to output except as one large file [09:15] I think [09:15] oh, allee is gone. I was going to explain to him how all I want is a *graphical* keyboard configuration module.... === _Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raj [n=txwiking@82-36-133-31.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:29] hello raj [10:29] hello olwin too [10:29] sir Riddell, I presume [10:29] ;) === Riddell growels [10:31] hello Riddell === _olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-242-63.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lippel [n=frank@kde/developer/osterfeld] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:51] hi [10:52] some users reported problems with akregator from kubuntu 3.5 beta2 packages [10:52] many users [10:52] metakit plugin seems missing [10:52] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems [10:52] ;) [10:52] and hi lippel [10:53] it's well known issue [10:53] at least widely reported [10:54] to me, no problems, using kdepim from 3.5 branch [10:54] some advantages when compiling stuff myself [10:57] Tm_T: looks like kbuildsycoca fuckup or something [10:57] hmm, i hear that the plugin is not installed at all [11:22] hm hm [11:22] lippel: anyway, I don't know what the problem is [11:23] Tm_T: libakregator_mk4storage_plugin.la/so is missing [11:23] ah [11:24] sounds like broken package === Drakeson [n=Drakeson@69.158.177.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel