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[n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] thats weird none of the irc logs are being displayed with firefox [03:57] zul: the server which runs people.ubuntu.com has shat itself [03:57] assuming you're talking about those irc logs [03:58] yeah i am === OddAbe19 [n=OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [n=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] damn it.. === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | MOM/NDA producing bad diffs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-October/000038.html | topic will be changed when Dapper opens | people.ubuntu.com is temporarily m === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | MOM/NDA producing bad diffs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-October/000038.html | topic will be changed when Dapper opens | people.ubuntu.com is misbehaving === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | MOM/NDA producing bad diffs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | topic will be changed when Dapper opens | people.ubuntu.com is misbehaving === pusakat [n=xenos@203.167.88.7] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel === 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I was trying to find the motu meeting from the 18th, but -meeting and -motu logs from that date are empty === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.178] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:50] tritium: probably because of the last item in /topic [06:50] ajmitch, didn't see that. Thakns. [06:50] thanks even [06:50] tritium: mostlikely [06:51] i am pretty sure that -current are all borked [06:51] fabbione, okay, thanks. Sorry, didn't see the topic [06:51] i think that daily are ok [06:51] but i will need to check === euther [n=euther@146.82.111.234] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@p5089E05B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-221.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:53] okay, thanks again === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bskahan [n=bskahan@dsl254-074-249.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home [n=Christia@LSt-Amand-152-31-21-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A625B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pusakat [n=xenos@203.167.88.7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:27] whats the eta on NM becoming default? [07:27] is it on Dapper or 6.04+1? [07:27] Network manager btw === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@210.213.78.245] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] is it just me, or do other people also have troubles with reading from people.u.c.? [07:31] I tried it from two completely different servers [07:33] pitti: see topic :) [07:34] apparantly the server has 'issues' :) [07:35] oops, sorry [07:36] I tend to ignore the topic since it is 6 lines long === ajmitch couldn't ignore it when it was changed 3 or 4 times in a row [07:36] it overflowed and required additional editing [07:37] yes, I saw :) [07:37] a common problem [07:37] Do we really need pointers to DeveloperResources and HelpingWithBugs in the topic, when both of those shold be in the topic of #ubuntu-motd, which we already point people to? :) [07:38] s/motd/motu/ [07:39] Also, when I see jdub, I'm going to strangle him for cursing me. [07:39] My laptop had been up for days when he showed up last night complaining about recent hardlocks, and blaming the ipw2200 driver... [07:39] Sure enough, I wake up this morning, and my laptop is locked hard with the wireless light solid. === infinity shakes fist. [07:40] hehe [07:40] jdubs laptop misbehaved during his presentation a few days ago [07:40] beagle fubared his user_xattr so /home got mounted read only [07:41] Beagle? FUBAR? What are the odds? [07:41] heh [07:41] infinity: hahaha [07:41] i have a laptop using ipw2200 on like, 24/7 [07:41] It still boggles my mind that people think it's both stable enough and generally useful enough to have it in the default session. [07:41] and it never skips a beat === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:42] Lathiat : Yes, I could say the same thing until this morning. Just wait, your time will come. [07:42] infinity: heh [07:42] well its been on 80% of the last year [07:42] poor laptop [07:42] its probably not supposed to be on that much :) [07:42] ... Mine is. [07:42] I just have to remember to be nice to the battery. [07:43] But my laptop is my only computer with a monitor, so I don't have much choice. It gets used a lot. [07:43] heh [07:43] the same [07:43] cept i have 2 [07:43] Well, okay, I have two computers with monitors, the other one being my OLD laptop that this one replaced. [07:43] but between the both of them i use them all the time [07:43] only other machine is just a server box with no monitor [07:44] And when I say OLD, I mean OLD. I'm pretty sure people were laughing at me behing my back at UDU as I walked around with it. [07:44] haha [07:44] at lca2004 [07:44] i had a p133 toshiba [07:44] infinity: surely not [07:45] altho i managed to steal a 1ghz machine towards the end of the week [07:45] I thought mine was bad enough, and it was just a p2 [07:45] that toshiba was quite nice tho [07:45] it wasnt overly chunky [07:45] 160CDT or something [07:45] 14" i think [07:45] run xfce4 quite nice [07:46] Oh well, nothing beats dilinger's keyboard. [07:46] dilingers keyboard? === rrezende [n=arakno@200216043222.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:46] I was complaning because I was missing one key, then he showed me his. [07:46] I'll have to find a picure for you to really understand, but his laptop is missing, like, 10 keycaps. Maybe more. [07:46] haha [07:46] nice [07:46] infinity: i have cursed you? [07:46] I saw a photo on tseng's site, if he still has them up [07:46] jdub : Yes. Jerk. [07:46] jdub: yes! you evil man! [07:47] jdub : My laptop was locked solid this morning, with the wireless light solid green. And it's ALL YOUR FAULT. [07:47] heh [07:47] fix it! [07:47] infinity, jdub: buy better hw [07:47] why my machines never lock solid? because i use sane hw [07:48] Mine's sane. The kernel just needs to catch up. [07:48] infinity: no no no.. the kernel is sane :) [07:48] your hw sucks [07:48] I out-blinged the speed of kernel and X devel. === jdub watches fabbione paint utopia with dog poo === fabbione can't picture jdub's crack [07:49] fabbione: i'm shipping off to italy today :-) [07:49] good morning [07:50] jdub: yeah but you are going to milan.. that's not really italy.. it's padania :P === infinity heads out to the store to get brainfood. [07:52] jdub: well they will explain that to you ;) [07:53] :-) === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:53] Hi JaneW [07:53] ouch, even ssh onto rookery fails [07:53] "Hi, my Italian friend who no longer lives in Italy says that you are not real Italians." [07:54] hi pitti [07:54] oh man, someone put the ubuntu poster on flickr [07:54] so if i sync the fridge's feed, there will be boobies on the shuffle [07:54] jdub: oh, there is an Ubuntu poster` [07:54] hahaha [07:54] jdub: some guys from the "Linux Info Tag Dresden" asked me for one [07:55] pitti: the one with the big boobies, "because naked people are totally appropriate for business dektops" or whatever === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti reconsiders giving out this one [08:01] what codec do i need to play shuttleworth_zimmerman_band.avi? === r0bby2 [n=wakawaka@cpe-204-210-133-115.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:02] ah, gxine plays it :) === Robot101_ [i=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DapperDr1ke [n=seveas@nuts.okkernoot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === torkel_ [i=torkel@69-188.umenet.t3.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jvw_ [i=jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined 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[09:05] hi bubulle [09:05] very short concern: I try syncing with mvo's repository for APT and I currently can't [09:05] cannot connect to archive (michael.vogt@ubuntu.com--2005) [09:05] people.ubuntu.com is down, see topic [09:05] bubulle: people.u.c. is screwed ATM [09:05] ah, thanks [09:06] pitti: fixably so? === bubulle slams self for not readin topic === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:daniels] : yes, people.u.c is down | Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | MOM/NDA producing bad diffs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | topic will be changed when Dapper opens [09:06] Treenaks: let's hope so [09:07] and /me waves bye..:) [09:07] http://www.p0z3r.org/images/kde_hackers.png [09:07] i wonder if that password still works [09:07] daniels: all of them? === bubulle [n=bubulle@81.56.227.253] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:07] Treenaks: hm? 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[10:35] or waddling [10:35] mob, troop, shoal, drove, swarm ? [10:36] ogra: a drove of dapper drakes? [10:36] why not ? [10:36] it's a gaggle of geese normally, not ducks === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] Kamion: it's both, according to quite a few places [10:37] ogra: (troop? not troup? :P) [10:37] hehe [10:38] would quiver fit ? [10:39] \sh_away, is your blog messed up? It's re-posting everything you posted the last week(s) to planet [10:41] Kamion: does useradd behaves the same way as adduser? [10:44] seb128, i think one of them creates a homedir by default iirc (dont ask which though) [10:45] seb128: useradd's a low-level tool and is not obliged to [10:45] mm, one question. packages are based on stability and changed towards stability, yes? [10:45] Treenaks: I think geese is the association most native speakers have for "gaggle", but shrug [10:45] once released that is. What if there is a bugfix update for a package? [10:46] would it be able to get pushed out in a tree, or would it only be maintained for current bugs in the release of the software? [10:47] Kamion: users-admin users useradd, should it use adduser rather? [10:50] oh, yeah, I'd've thought so, if it can ... adduser has better default policy, and uses useradd under the hood anyway [10:50] and it automatically creates groups for you and stuff [10:51] Does useradd support different backends, or is it just one of the supported adduser backends? [10:51] the arguments it takes are quite different though [10:51] The nice thing (in theory) with adduser is that it doesn't have to be dealing with /etc/passwd at all. [10:51] infinity: adduser always uses useradd [10:51] wouldn't you do different backends with PAM? [10:52] dunno, I haven't looked at the useradd code === Yvonne [n=justme@cn-sdm-cr02-2092.dial.kabelfoon.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [""] [10:52] Oh, I suppose you would these days. [10:52] I must be living in 1995. [10:52] Anyhow, the arguments aren't so drastically different that one couldn't patch an application to use one instead of the other with minimal effort. [10:53] They're just incomaptible as drop-in replacements. === silbs [n=jane@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] yeah [10:53] infinity: it's more that the default behaviour's different, so it needs testing [10:54] I wouldn't quit or anything if we flipped the adduser/homedir-permission default :-) I just think many of the arguments being advanced are bogus and paranoid and miss the UI point ... [10:55] I'd walk. ;) [10:55] (Well, I'd just dpkg-reconfigure adduser and go about my day, but still..) [10:56] My guess is that 99% of the people who argue that 700 or 711 is a better default than 755 have never actually worked on large multi-user systems. [10:56] It becomes very obvious, very quickly, that convenience is more important than paranoid security in most setups. [10:56] (Odds are that most of them are home users, bent on shoving their paranoid permission scheme down the throats of others who actually DO use large multi-user systems and tihnk the current default is fine) [10:57] But, that's just a guess. :) [10:57] yeah, that's been my experience on large multi-user systems too [10:57] but what do I know, I've only tried it [10:57] [10:59] To be fair, I also run one system where the users aren't all buddy-buddy and I did reconfigure adduser to use 711. But is that really so hard to do, if you feel the need? [10:59] That's one system out of many, so I know which default makes more sense for me. === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lorenzod [n=lorenzod@80.87.77.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@amfea-proxy-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] can anyone tell me the rough estimate for the number of files in a full mirror of ubuntu? [11:09] My take on it (as a "security guy" ) is that the tools should be consistent in setting permissions, and info on how to reconfigure [11:09] them should be stuck in a securing ubuntu manual [11:09] zyga : Archive or releases mirror? [11:09] Znarl: archive [11:10] 163903 files and directories. [11:11] thanks [11:11] Znarl: could you also tell me the total size? [11:11] 79G presently [11:11] cool, thanks alot [11:12] Znarl: gah, you beat me [11:12] 79G /srv/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [11:12] :p === Mortas [n=kris@217.148.89.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] Sorry [11:21] does the installer ask the user if s?he would like to participate in the popularity contest? === Yvonne [n=justme@cn-sdm-cr02-2092.dial.kabelfoon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] zyga, no === Aegir [n=reldred@d220-238-33-171.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === slomo_ is now known as slomo === Yvonne [n=justme@cn-sdm-cr02-2092.dial.kabelfoon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-October/000043.html [11:42] UBUNTU LOVE DAY! [11:42] hi jdub [11:43] mm, nice [11:44] jdub: the wiki page is empty? [11:44] and 2 emails to announce :) cool [11:44] at least i got 2 === Keybuk gives jdub some hot Ubuntu loving [11:48] that's scary. [11:48] Yagisan : Yeah, no one's arguing that the tools should lack consistency. gnome-system-tools should obviously be using adduser. [11:48] Yagisan : We're all just arguing about defaults. :) [11:54] pitti: i have two debdiffs for warty and hoary to fix CVE-2005-2718 [11:55] pitti: http://slomosnail.de/~slomo/mplayer_1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu1.1.debdiff and http://slomosnail.de/~slomo/mplayer_1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6.1.debdiff [11:55] pitti: it's the same patch we already have for breezy... applies cleanly on the older versions [11:59] slomo: yes, sounds fine; thanks [12:00] pitti: and your tool reports it is still unfixed for breezy... i uploaded a fix for it ages ago but didn't mention the CVE in the changelog [12:02] slomo: I can mark it manually [12:02] thanks :) [12:02] slomo: so mplayer breezy is not vuln to CVE-2005-2718? [12:03] pitti: yes... it has exactly the same patch [12:03] pitti: there's yet another phpmyadmin hole, not sure if you saw it [12:03] ajmitch: I saw it, but universe :-/ [12:04] yeah [12:04] want me to put a debdiff together? [12:04] ajmitch : And update prepared would be nice. [12:04] ok [12:04] at this rate cdimage is going to gain the ability to read mail [12:04] ajmitch : phpmyadmin is reasonably popular. [12:04] I just added a counting semaphore implementation to it ... [12:04] certainly [12:04] Kamion : It can't already? [12:04] ajmitch: sure, and send it to security-review [12:04] pitti: will do [12:04] Kamion : Dude, even buildd can read mail. You're so behind. [12:05] infinity: not in any code I've written. It's possible it's started to write code for itself. [12:08] sorry, I should've said. A counting semaphore implementation IN SHELL. [12:09] it's possible shell has stopped being the best language for cdimage, but ... [12:09] Woah. [12:11] Kamion: When I was in uni I was told that GNU products were only complete if they were able to read mail and news... [12:14] hmm, why do we enable DMA on CD-ROMs by default now? [12:14] this hasn't been the case in hoary [12:15] and it breaks on so many machines out there (and I get all the hal bugs) [12:15] great, phpmyadmin fix is only 3 lines [12:15] pitti: I thought we didn't, but HiddenWolf's machine disagrees [12:15] pitti: so maybe the disabling is not working for some hardware? [12:15] Treenaks: I thought that, too, and I always replied with "then don't enable DMA, dude" [12:16] but I just noticed that DMA is active for my drive, too [12:16] Treenaks, /dev/hda is my windows drive, which is not in fstab [12:16] seems to WFM, but it is wrong [12:16] Treenaks, dma is on for cd-roms too tho. === carstenh [n=carstenh@p54A61D51.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] yes, for hard disks its fine [12:16] HiddenWolf: on hard disks DMA gets enabled [12:16] Hi carstenh [12:16] hi pitti :) [12:16] pitti: we will need to figure out a way to determine if the CD-ROM/Controller combination is "DMA-OK" [12:17] pitti: because no-dma sucks hard [12:17] Treenaks, no, it's off for both my cdrom drives, in fact. [12:17] lincvs is fux0red in breezy, if anyone cares [12:17] Treenaks: DMA sucks even harder on many hardware [12:18] pitti: So we need a black/whitelist [12:18] pitti: because on _most [12:18] _ systems it seems to work fine [12:18] (most systems I've seen) === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robot101_ is now known as Robot101 === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [n=aigarius@159.148.239.80] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] infinity: you are a desktop distro, targeted at single users. 755 works for them. People (like me) that do run [12:31] multi-user systems will run dpkg-reconfigure adduser (but that should be in a manual for new sysadmins) [12:31] mdz: FYI I've implemented parallel CD builds now at least for different projects (so we can run Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Edubuntu builds at the same time, though not parallel install/live builds for the same project) [12:31] Yagisan: s/will/may/ [12:33] Kamion: yeah - it depends on the system, I know. [12:33] Kamion : How much of a win is that? Won't you just be hampered by disk speed anyway? === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-38-5.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@130.149.254.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] infinity: is this applicable for your ipw2200 freeze? It's a simple diff. jdub might want to take a look too if it's relevant. http://bughost.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=740 [12:36] (patch being http://bughost.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=479) [12:37] hey doko! are you at berlinux? [12:37] crimsun : Dude, I've only hung once. It's a bit hard to debug that sort of (in)frequency. [12:38] infinity: there's a fair amount of waiting around for jigdo-file in there [12:38] which is mostly md5summing the world [12:38] I think there's enough of a mix between CPU-intensive work and I/O-intensive work that they should parallelise somewhat, but we'll see === infinity wishes we could come up with some clever jigdo-live extension... [12:39] I mean, I could write one that basically had livefs.sh embedded in it, but I'm not sure we want to let that hideous code see the light of peer review^W^Wday. [12:41] mvo: yes === lucas [n=lucas@alabama.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] hi [12:45] jdub, i'm still not on planet afaics :/ === fabbione heads offline [12:50] later fellas [12:51] cu fabbione [12:51] hey lucas :-) [12:52] hi vuntz === kikidonk [n=kikidonk@ip-83-134-6-80.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] Kamion: does the installer put USB CD-ROM entries into fstab under some circumstances? [12:56] pitti: hi [12:56] Hi zyga [12:57] pitti: about the installer, I hate bug reports and all but I've ran across a strange behaviour [12:58] pitti: I had 1 ata and 2 sata disks, with sata disks the installer borked and died saying it cannot resize ext2 filesystems (even though I didn't even ask it to mount either of the sata disks) on the first sata disk it found === HcE [i=egtvedt@charlie.dhcp.samfundet.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] zyga: bugzilla is exactly the right place for this report :-/ [12:58] pitti: if mounted, if you're booting from them ... would have to dig into partman to say any more [12:58] mounted> as in explicitly in the partman UI [12:59] Kamion: ok, thanks [12:59] Kamion: I'm asking because of #6106 === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] anyone with an USB cdrom drive? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-130.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] pitti: yeh [01:04] pitti: need somethign tested? [01:04] pitti: not here, but I had one last weekend and it worked fine with breezy [01:04] Lathiat: if you plug it in, do you get /dev/sr0, /dev/scd0, or both? [01:04] both if i recall [01:04] but i'll try [01:04] Lathiat, mvo: maybe you can say something to #6106 [01:04] pitti: oh, no, I think it always puts removable media into fstab [01:05] partman-target/finish.d/fstab_removable_media_entries [01:05] ah, bad [01:05] interesting, I never installed Ubuntu with my USB stick attached [01:06] we can probably just turn that off in dapper and see what happens, although new installs will no longer be able to use the traditional 'sudo mount /cdrom' [01:06] Kamion: well, "removable" media in fstab are fine, just not "hotpluggable" ones [01:06] Kamion: i. e. entries for an ATAPI card reader are fine, but it will break for an USB CD-ROM or USB stick [01:06] uh === HcE [i=egtvedt@charlie.dhcp.samfundet.no] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:07] I don't think partman knows the distinction [01:07] (card reader, ATA CD-ROM: removable; USB stick: hotpluggable) [01:07] would take some hw-detect hacking to arrange tht [01:07] that [01:07] Kamion: can we teach it to not add USB and Firewire devices? [01:07] like the existing hw-detect hacking that tells netcfg about hotpluggable network cards [01:08] I don't want to hardcode device types if I can avoid it; a hw-detect trick that remembers when disk devices have been hotplugged would be better if possible [01:08] at one point the installer was putting /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1 for removable usb drives in /etc/fstab [01:08] dunno if that was fixed [01:08] but yeah, I could just delete the USB storage bit; I don't think it ever adds Firewire devices [01:09] i think it adds firewire too [01:09] i can test if you like [01:09] seb128: thanks for adding the watch to malone #3418 - I guess I still need to get used to work with Malone [01:09] ive got a dual firewire/usb enclosure [01:09] Lathiat: #10900 [01:09] Lathiat: I've got the relevant code open in front of me and I can't see anything that adds Firewire [01:10] interesting [01:10] i reported that ages ago [01:10] it iterates through /proc/scsi/usb-storage-* /proc/scsi/usb-storage [01:10] Kamion: ok it might not then [01:10] Lathiat: yeah, and see my explanation at the end of why the trivial fix wouldn't work and it needs something more complicated [01:10] ah yeh my comment is in the bug haha [01:11] Kamion: i take it from the bug you dont need an example now [01:11] hm i need to hunt for a usb cable [01:12] Keybuk: do you want to merge udev, or shall I? [01:12] I still haven't found my USB sticks though :( === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-90-162.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] pitti: I will, it's not a simple matter of just taking the Debian version [01:13] I have some pre-prepared packages here [01:13] Keybuk: okay, great; I'm just eager to try it to play with libgphoto [01:13] we need to figure out what to do with those [01:13] Keybuk: I currently stack my uploads in chinstrap:~pitti/uploads until dapper opens :-) [01:14] the "new udev" doesn't give us a move away from /proc/bus/usb, we need the new kernel for that too [01:14] ah, right [01:14] as the kernel needs to drop usbfs === SimonGray [n=simon@0x5359d3d9.hgnxx3.adsl.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SimonGray [n=simon@0x5359d3d9.hgnxx3.adsl.tele.dk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:15] Keybuk: since the new hal's udev rule approach (instead of hotplug.d) works fine here, would the "new" way already work with our udev (0.063)? [01:15] yes [01:15] ah, cool [01:15] so we need the kernel's "sysfs devices" patch [01:16] Lathiat: no, I don't, thanks [01:17] pitti: [01:17] [4299920.567000] sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 2x/48x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray [01:18] i get scd0 too [01:18] and a sr1 [01:18] I'm still trying to understand how the kernel guys use git [01:18] and my internal (sata) cdrom [01:18] Lathiat: ok, thanks [01:18] is sr0 and scd0 too [01:18] Lathiat: the guy in #6106 apparently does not have scdN [01:18] it seems that gregkh actually puts patches in git, rather than has separate branches === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d5152D086.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] anyone else want any debugging === kyncani2 [n=kyncani@lns-bzn-40-82-251-171-124.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] usb/firewire drive during install? [01:19] Lathiat: not from my side; thanks! [01:21] pitti: http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=fbf82fd2e1f4e679c60516d772d1862c941ca845 [01:21] is the patch we want === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] I'm trying to work out when that's due/or got folded into a release [01:22] Keybuk: ah, cool, so it already cares for the major/minor (in the "dev" attribute) [01:23] yeah [01:23] that's the nice thing about all the "proper" device stuff now [01:23] the kernel can assign random numbers to them, it doesn't matter [01:23] and it doesn't even look particularly scary === ploum [n=ploum@85.201.2.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] aye, and totally replaces usbfs [01:24] we just need to change /proc/bus/usb to /dev/bus/usb (or wherever we put them) === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-90-162.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] Keybuk: the patch is small enough to be included even in our current kernel (AFAICS), if it doesn't get upstream any soon [01:27] assuming that linus's linux-2.6.git tree is what gets released, it's in the current 2.6.14-rc series === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-90-162.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38 [n=bayle@freedom.rd.francetelecom.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home2 [n=Christia@LSt-Amand-152-31-21-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] is there a mechanism for you to force mirror-admins to update their mirrors? for instance fi.archive.ubuntu.com is currently broken on ppc [01:33] depends on the mirror [01:33] a friend of mine complained about it [01:33] fi == heanet [01:33] Znarl: ^-- [01:33] yes [01:33] I thought we'd taken heanet out of rotation for (?)nl [01:33] kamion: the installer defaults to it (in Finland) so it is quite critical in that sense =) === jvw_ is now known as jvw [01:33] tepsipakki: yes I know :P [01:34] tepsipakki: Znarl runs the mirror network, which is why I drew his attention above; explaining to me how critical it is won't help ;) [01:35] ok [01:35] just wanted to inform you [01:36] yeah, thanks, as you can see I've passed it on [01:37] yes, thanks ;) [01:39] Kamion : Ok, I'll chase heanet. === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@130.149.254.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home3 [n=Christia@LSt-Amand-152-31-21-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] ta === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487FBEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] jesus, you post to ubuntu-devel and get a huge load of replies in your private inbox [01:49] mailers so badly need to respect m-f-t [01:49] set a bounty :) [01:51] I'd be very happy if Tbird respected M-F-T. [01:51] my concern about it is slightly less than my desire to own a house [01:51] But M-F-T is something only nerds think the world should respect, and the reality is that pretty much no "friendly" MUAs even look at it. [01:52] how do I send a mail to all members of a launchpad team ? [01:52] It actually irritates me a little bit every time I see a user get smacked down by someone with "jesus, can't you read M-F-T?!"... Seriously, how many "average users" read the full headers on all their mail? [01:52]