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jsgotangcohi08:18
Burgundaviasalut08:19
Burgundaviasean frustrates me08:19
jsgotangcowell....08:19
highvoltage:)_08:20
jsgotangcowe can talk about it later on the meeting i guess if we hvae time08:20
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Burgundaviaoh, shit the meeting08:20
BurgundaviaI am going to have to miss it, as I have to be at work at 7am now08:21
BurgundaviaI forgot to email the list about that08:21
jsgotangcoas long as we have 1 stand he'll never get his way08:21
jsgotangcowe could use an evil genius one way or another :)08:21
jsgotangcoof course when i say 'evil' its in jest :)08:22
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Burgundavianight09:15
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jsgotangcoRiddell: any reason why i can't resize network settings window at all? I can't go into admin mode10:07
apokryphosjsgotangco: network settings window *should* resize; try alt+right-click to expand10:12
jsgotangcoi couldn't see the Admin mode button at all10:13
jsgotangcogrrr10:14
apokryphosjsgotangco: still can't?10:15
jsgotangcoyep10:15
apokryphosyou can't resize the window? You tried with alt, right?10:15
jsgotangcoi can only do 1024x768 on this laptop10:15
jsgotangcoyes10:15
apokryphosthat is more than enough10:15
jsgotangcothe admin mode button is way way below...10:15
apokryphosand what.. it didn't resize?10:15
jsgotangcoit didn't10:15
jsgotangcoi was hoping an update would fix that10:16
apokryphoshm, the dinwo doesn't go that small -- that's true10:16
jsgotangcothe other windows work fine though10:16
jsgotangcoexcept network settings10:17
apokryphostry going to it through kcontrol10:17
apokryphoss/dinwo/window/ (how did that come out so wrong :D)10:17
jsgotangcoi dont have a kcontrol10:17
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apokryphosyou do10:17
apokryphosalt+f2 -> kcontrol10:17
jsgotangcoahh that's so much better10:18
jsgotangcothat's what i miss from 5.0410:18
jsgotangcoit just says 'loading'10:19
apokryphosthe systemsettings not going smaller, though, is really a bug; you should report it if you have time10:19
apokryphosjsgotangco: another known bug :/10:19
jsgotangcogahhh10:19
apokryphosjsgotangco: alt+f2 -> kdesu kcontrol  ...instead10:19
jsgotangcoso i have to resort to ifconfig then...10:19
jsgotangcoahhh10:19
jsgotangcook let me reload kde first10:21
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rob^pfft weak.. I have to be at work at 6:30am and the meeting starts midnight my time!10:36
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rob^bbl thunder storm (and no ups10:37
jsgotangcobrb10:42
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Kamping_Kaiser20:08. almost time for a meeting (well, less then 3 hours iirc)12:38
mdkeyou live in a timezone with a difference of 30 minutes rather than 1 hours? I have never heard of that12:39
Kamping_Kaiser+9:3012:40
Kamping_Kaisersouth australia, NT, japan (i think)12:40
Kamping_KaiserNT=Northern Teritory12:40
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mdkewow12:41
Kamping_Kaisero_012:41
Kamping_Kaiserthats unusual12:41
mdkei thought it was all 1 hour difference12:41
ajmitchNZ-CHAT12:42
mdkethat is just silly12:42
ajmitchat the moment it's UTC+13:4512:42
ajmitchsince it's a fair way from mainland NZ12:42
mdkehmm12:42
Kamping_Kaiserheh. damn kiwis :P12:42
mdkeeven so i don't see the point of complicating people's lives12:42
ajmitchdoesn't affect many people :)12:42
Kamping_Kaiserlol12:42
mdkeeven more reason not to do it12:42
Kamping_Kaisernot our problem! stop now ;)12:43
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Kamping_Kaisernearly time03:53
Kamping_Kaiserthis time for real :|03:53
mdkewe'll have to see if anyone turns up03:56
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Kamping_Kaiseryeh. im wondering after reading the email today :|03:57
rob^howdy03:58
Kamping_Kaiserhallo rob^. you up for a lot of bug reports?03:58
rob^:( no03:58
rob^heh03:58
Kamping_Kaiserlol03:59
rob^why is that?03:59
Kamping_Kaiserwell get ready :|03:59
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judaxI am here04:00
rob^eh looks like a few people are gonna miss the meeting04:00
Kamping_Kaiserjust a few :S04:01
rob^dam04:01
rob^soft c***s04:01
rob^:P04:01
Kamping_Kaiserlol04:01
Kamping_Kaiserhow long do you give ppl to show up in -meeting?04:02
rob^I'll give them 5 more minutes04:02
rob^hi mdke04:04
rob^ok, shall we..04:04
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apokryphosare the kubuntu etc docs going to be on help.ubuntu.com too?05:04
mdkeyes05:04
mdkebut they need to be buildable first05:05
apokryphosftr, I think it's a little odd to have side navigation as the only way of getting to them -- the previous way (as it was on d.u.c) was really good; with all the docs listed with brief description (and alternative languages)05:06
mdkeo.o05:06
mdkehow did you see that?05:06
mdkeI was thinking just now that the best thing is to put links in the main body too05:06
mdkeapokryphos, i'm curious as to how you saw the server tho05:09
jjesseapokryphos: i'm wokring on getting the kubuntu docs to build as we speak05:09
apokryphosmdke: which server? The old d.u.c?05:09
mdkeapokryphos, the new one05:09
apokryphosaha, it's there now, so I see05:10
apokryphosjjesse: nice :)05:10
mdkeyes05:10
mdkebut how did you get the address goddammit05:10
mdkewe've been keeping it top secret05:10
apokryphoswe unfortunately had the wrong page in the #ubuntu topic (the d.u.c), but fixed it the other day, so it's fine now05:10
apokryphosmdke: d.u.c? 05:11
mdkegah05:11
mdkethe new server for help.u.c, which has the side navigation, how did you see it?05:11
apokryphoser, it was /topic in #ubuntu for ages, and it was in your channel topic too IIRC :-O05:11
apokryphosah05:11
apokryphosit took me directly to it; no idea05:11
mdkeoh awesome05:11
mdkethey changed the dns already05:12
mdkenot for doc.u.c though05:12
rob^ooh pretty05:12
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apokryphosyup, looks nice now05:13
mdkeok doc.ubuntu.com has changed now too05:13
Kamping_Kaiserapokryphos: the win/linux app comparisoins. got any around? 05:18
apokryphosKamping_Kaiser: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#pkgtablestock05:19
apokryphosthat one's made for Kubuntu05:19
Kamping_Kaiserta. good enough ;)05:19
apokryphosthere's just such a serious amount of documentation there -- loaads of things (like notes on practically all kde apps)05:19
jsgotangcoLOTS05:20
apokryphosidneed05:23
apokryphosor indeed, even05:23
Kamping_Kaiserfinding docs on what you want in linux is the problem, not finding docs :) suppose thats what we are for05:24
jsgotangcothe issue on KDE imo is how to make that doc very easy to navigate...05:24
apokryphosthe kudos one? I'd say it was fairly accessible05:26
jjessejsgotangco: i have to split to a meeting i just sent you an email about other parts of the agenda that i might have a comment on05:26
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Kamping_Kaiserhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=431565#post431565 < = what do ppl think ? saw it on the forums05:42
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mdkewhiprush, ok, mailed to -users, -doc and sounder06:43
mdkeoh crap06:44
mdkestupid evolution buggered up the address06:44
mdkeremailed06:45
whiprushthanks06:46
whiprushi'll run it in a few06:46
Kamping_Kaisergawd. 2 am :|06:47
jjesseafternoon sorry i had to leave out of the meeting08:24
whiprushmdke: any other docteam related stuff you want me to run?08:35
whiprush(while I'm at it)08:35
whiprushdo you guys do meeting summaries or anything?08:35
jjessewhiprush: i think meeting summaries have happened in the past08:52
whiprushk08:54
judaxjjesse: the meeting ended right after you left08:54
jjessethey always seem so long :(08:54
judaxnothing beyond doc.u.c was discussed08:55
judaxthey are long, hehe08:55
jjesseit's hard to take 1.5 hours of work time and devote to them, oh well08:56
judaxthat is very true08:57
judaxI made some changes to the kquickguide, in connecting to the internet, still referenced Control Center, but I have been looking over the whole doc08:58
judaxwhat was the big stuff that needed to be addressed08:58
judaxjust skimming, but but it talks about adept, katapult, system settings, etc.08:59
jjessejudax:  i started to work big time on the kquickguide but then it was decided to just release kreleasenotes and about-kubuntu08:59
jjessethe goal for the weekend is to get the docs to build html wise09:00
judaxyes, we talked about that, they build09:00
judaxjust not the right stylesheet I guess09:00
judaxbut they build just fine09:00
jjessehmm i tried last night and was getting docbook errors09:00
judaxkquickguide has been pushed09:00
jjessepushed out to the distrobution or to website?09:01
judaxwhat file?09:01
judaxI guess I should revise, I have not tried to build them all09:01
jjessekquickguide09:01
judaxyou dont have kquickguide on your breezy install?09:02
jjessei didn't make it as done09:02
jjessemark it as done09:02
judaxhmm, it is in khelpcenter under kubuntu docs09:02
jjessemy laptop is an upgrade of hoary so i'm not sure, checking other box09:03
judaxkk09:03
jjesseyeah kubuntu quick guide is there, but the stylesheet is not applied09:05
judaxin khelpcenter?09:06
jjesseyeah09:06
judaxyeah, I think that was the reason sean sent congratulations earlier this week09:06
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jjesselook at about kubuntu and release notes09:06
judaxanyway, I just built kquickguide09:06
judaxand it builds fine, just no stylesheet09:06
jjessei saw some commit09:06
judaxyes, I see the style difference09:07
judaxdo you know where that style is at?09:08
jjesseno i don't, Riddell added it09:08
judaxhe said in the meeting that the kde-web style was in a super secret location09:09
judax:)09:09
jjessegrin i'll bug him09:11
judaxgot to run for a bit09:12
mdkehi all09:45
mdkeRiddell, do you know what sort of time frame we are talking about for sorting out those stylesheets?09:46
Riddellno idea, is it urgent?09:52
Riddellmonday is you keep poking me hard enough09:52
mdkei'm easy about it, but that is because I'm not a kubuntu user09:52
mdkeit would be nice to have some kubuntu stuff on help.ubuntu.com as well09:52
mdkei'll keep poking09:54
judaxeveryone should be a Kubuntu user10:01
mdkehmm10:03
mdkeit is better than cocaine?10:04
mdkejudax, i like my gnome :)10:05
judaxmdke: I know, just ribbin ya10:05
jjessemmm kde10:06
judaxmdke: I have a dedicated ubuntu box that sits next to my kubuntu box10:06
mdkeoverkill!10:07
judaxjust have to see how the other half lives, or doesn't as the case may be :P10:07
mdkeheh10:08
judaxmdke: speaking of gnome, have you tried Newton, a personal wiki note taking-type dock app?  It is very cool10:09
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mdkejudax, no i haven't, i'll look it up10:09
mdkealthough I like my moin too :)10:09
judaxthink it is newton.sf.net10:10
mdkeah it's not even packaged10:10
mdkegoddammit10:10
judaxyes, but the dev is a ubuntu user so, you can get it easily10:10
judaxit is very cool and the html export is nice10:11
mdkehmm that looks nice10:11
judaxwork well, I am using it for note taking of all kind now, work, personal etc10:11
mdkethe lock isn't massively different to yelp...10:14
mdkelook*10:15
judaxyeah, very familiar look, has a brown 'ubuntu' them and a blue one10:16
judaxs/them/theme10:16
judaxthey had a review in Linux Format magazine this past month, that is how I found it10:17
jjessejudax:  i don't know if i told you or not but Riddell  will also be adding the style sheet to the kquickguide doc so release notes, about-kubuntu and kquickguide will all look similar10:19
mdkei installed the deb and ran "newton" but nothing has happened10:19
judaxjjesse: great, thx for letting me know, I won't mess with it10:19
judaxmdke: it is a dock app10:20
mdkedoh10:20
judaxadd to panel10:20
RiddellRiddell will be attempting too :)10:20
judaxRiddell: :)10:20
RiddellI've never quite got the hang of these docbook tools10:20
mdkejudax, it is a lot faster than help :)10:21
judaxmdke: I believe the dev version of newton is not restircted to the panel10:21
mdkehelp/yelp10:21
judaxmdke: it is very snappy, I have been impressed..and stable10:21
mdkewe need something like that for docs10:21
judaxthat html export just rocks10:22
judaxtry that when you get a chance10:22
mdkecool10:22
mdkeyeah that rocks10:23
judax:-)10:23
jjessedoes it build on kubuntu?10:23
jjesseor is not packaged?10:23
jjessesorry got my terms messed up?10:23
mdkethere is a deb you can download10:23
mdkejudax, who develops it?10:24
judaxI cant remember his name will have to check the magazine10:24
mdkeit says "dennis"10:24
mdkeon sf10:25
judaxjjesse: you may want to check out the development version for kde, since the deb is a gnome panel app10:25
jjesseis that .9-2?10:25
judaxjjesse: I have not tired it on kde yet, but I think the dev talks about that on his site somewhere10:25
judaxjjesse: think it is the svn head10:25
judaxjjesse: he talks about that somewhere on his site, read it the other day10:26
jjessereading10:26
mdkethat is one nice program10:27
judaxhey, I have to run out for awhile, get the kids, blah blah, talk to you later10:28
mdkecya10:28
jjessehmm latest from svn says i need gnome-common module10:33
jjessebummer10:33
mdkejjesse, yes it is a gnome app right now i think10:39
jjesseit looks like a sweet app10:39
mdkeyeah it is very nice10:39
mdkei'm gonna keep it10:39
jjesseok have a good weekend, i'll be busy don't know how much i'll be on the channel but have a good one10:50

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