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| jsgotangco | hi | 08:18 |
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| Burgundavia | salut | 08:19 |
| Burgundavia | sean frustrates me | 08:19 |
| jsgotangco | well.... | 08:19 |
| highvoltage | :)_ | 08:20 |
| jsgotangco | we can talk about it later on the meeting i guess if we hvae time | 08:20 |
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| Burgundavia | oh, shit the meeting | 08:20 |
| Burgundavia | I am going to have to miss it, as I have to be at work at 7am now | 08:21 |
| Burgundavia | I forgot to email the list about that | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | as long as we have 1 stand he'll never get his way | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | we could use an evil genius one way or another :) | 08:21 |
| jsgotangco | of course when i say 'evil' its in jest :) | 08:22 |
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| Burgundavia | night | 09:15 |
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| jsgotangco | Riddell: any reason why i can't resize network settings window at all? I can't go into admin mode | 10:07 |
| apokryphos | jsgotangco: network settings window *should* resize; try alt+right-click to expand | 10:12 |
| jsgotangco | i couldn't see the Admin mode button at all | 10:13 |
| jsgotangco | grrr | 10:14 |
| apokryphos | jsgotangco: still can't? | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | yep | 10:15 |
| apokryphos | you can't resize the window? You tried with alt, right? | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | i can only do 1024x768 on this laptop | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 10:15 |
| apokryphos | that is more than enough | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | the admin mode button is way way below... | 10:15 |
| apokryphos | and what.. it didn't resize? | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | it didn't | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | i was hoping an update would fix that | 10:16 |
| apokryphos | hm, the dinwo doesn't go that small -- that's true | 10:16 |
| jsgotangco | the other windows work fine though | 10:16 |
| jsgotangco | except network settings | 10:17 |
| apokryphos | try going to it through kcontrol | 10:17 |
| apokryphos | s/dinwo/window/ (how did that come out so wrong :D) | 10:17 |
| jsgotangco | i dont have a kcontrol | 10:17 |
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| apokryphos | you do | 10:17 |
| apokryphos | alt+f2 -> kcontrol | 10:17 |
| jsgotangco | ahh that's so much better | 10:18 |
| jsgotangco | that's what i miss from 5.04 | 10:18 |
| jsgotangco | it just says 'loading' | 10:19 |
| apokryphos | the systemsettings not going smaller, though, is really a bug; you should report it if you have time | 10:19 |
| apokryphos | jsgotangco: another known bug :/ | 10:19 |
| jsgotangco | gahhh | 10:19 |
| apokryphos | jsgotangco: alt+f2 -> kdesu kcontrol ...instead | 10:19 |
| jsgotangco | so i have to resort to ifconfig then... | 10:19 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 10:19 |
| jsgotangco | ok let me reload kde first | 10:21 |
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| rob^ | pfft weak.. I have to be at work at 6:30am and the meeting starts midnight my time! | 10:36 |
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| rob^ | bbl thunder storm (and no ups | 10:37 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 10:42 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | 20:08. almost time for a meeting (well, less then 3 hours iirc) | 12:38 |
| mdke | you live in a timezone with a difference of 30 minutes rather than 1 hours? I have never heard of that | 12:39 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | +9:30 | 12:40 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | south australia, NT, japan (i think) | 12:40 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | NT=Northern Teritory | 12:40 |
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| mdke | wow | 12:41 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | o_0 | 12:41 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | thats unusual | 12:41 |
| mdke | i thought it was all 1 hour difference | 12:41 |
| ajmitch | NZ-CHAT | 12:42 |
| mdke | that is just silly | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | at the moment it's UTC+13:45 | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | since it's a fair way from mainland NZ | 12:42 |
| mdke | hmm | 12:42 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | heh. damn kiwis :P | 12:42 |
| mdke | even so i don't see the point of complicating people's lives | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | doesn't affect many people :) | 12:42 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol | 12:42 |
| mdke | even more reason not to do it | 12:42 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | not our problem! stop now ;) | 12:43 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | nearly time | 03:53 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | this time for real :| | 03:53 |
| mdke | we'll have to see if anyone turns up | 03:56 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | yeh. im wondering after reading the email today :| | 03:57 |
| rob^ | howdy | 03:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hallo rob^. you up for a lot of bug reports? | 03:58 |
| rob^ | :( no | 03:58 |
| rob^ | heh | 03:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol | 03:59 |
| rob^ | why is that? | 03:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | well get ready :| | 03:59 |
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| judax | I am here | 04:00 |
| rob^ | eh looks like a few people are gonna miss the meeting | 04:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | just a few :S | 04:01 |
| rob^ | dam | 04:01 |
| rob^ | soft c***s | 04:01 |
| rob^ | :P | 04:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol | 04:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | how long do you give ppl to show up in -meeting? | 04:02 |
| rob^ | I'll give them 5 more minutes | 04:02 |
| rob^ | hi mdke | 04:04 |
| rob^ | ok, shall we.. | 04:04 |
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| apokryphos | are the kubuntu etc docs going to be on help.ubuntu.com too? | 05:04 |
| mdke | yes | 05:04 |
| mdke | but they need to be buildable first | 05:05 |
| apokryphos | ftr, I think it's a little odd to have side navigation as the only way of getting to them -- the previous way (as it was on d.u.c) was really good; with all the docs listed with brief description (and alternative languages) | 05:06 |
| mdke | o.o | 05:06 |
| mdke | how did you see that? | 05:06 |
| mdke | I was thinking just now that the best thing is to put links in the main body too | 05:06 |
| mdke | apokryphos, i'm curious as to how you saw the server tho | 05:09 |
| jjesse | apokryphos: i'm wokring on getting the kubuntu docs to build as we speak | 05:09 |
| apokryphos | mdke: which server? The old d.u.c? | 05:09 |
| mdke | apokryphos, the new one | 05:09 |
| apokryphos | aha, it's there now, so I see | 05:10 |
| apokryphos | jjesse: nice :) | 05:10 |
| mdke | yes | 05:10 |
| mdke | but how did you get the address goddammit | 05:10 |
| mdke | we've been keeping it top secret | 05:10 |
| apokryphos | we unfortunately had the wrong page in the #ubuntu topic (the d.u.c), but fixed it the other day, so it's fine now | 05:10 |
| apokryphos | mdke: d.u.c? | 05:11 |
| mdke | gah | 05:11 |
| mdke | the new server for help.u.c, which has the side navigation, how did you see it? | 05:11 |
| apokryphos | er, it was /topic in #ubuntu for ages, and it was in your channel topic too IIRC :-O | 05:11 |
| apokryphos | ah | 05:11 |
| apokryphos | it took me directly to it; no idea | 05:11 |
| mdke | oh awesome | 05:11 |
| mdke | they changed the dns already | 05:12 |
| mdke | not for doc.u.c though | 05:12 |
| rob^ | ooh pretty | 05:12 |
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| apokryphos | yup, looks nice now | 05:13 |
| mdke | ok doc.ubuntu.com has changed now too | 05:13 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | apokryphos: the win/linux app comparisoins. got any around? | 05:18 |
| apokryphos | Kamping_Kaiser: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#pkgtablestock | 05:19 |
| apokryphos | that one's made for Kubuntu | 05:19 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ta. good enough ;) | 05:19 |
| apokryphos | there's just such a serious amount of documentation there -- loaads of things (like notes on practically all kde apps) | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | LOTS | 05:20 |
| apokryphos | idneed | 05:23 |
| apokryphos | or indeed, even | 05:23 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | finding docs on what you want in linux is the problem, not finding docs :) suppose thats what we are for | 05:24 |
| jsgotangco | the issue on KDE imo is how to make that doc very easy to navigate... | 05:24 |
| apokryphos | the kudos one? I'd say it was fairly accessible | 05:26 |
| jjesse | jsgotangco: i have to split to a meeting i just sent you an email about other parts of the agenda that i might have a comment on | 05:26 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=431565#post431565 < = what do ppl think ? saw it on the forums | 05:42 |
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| mdke | whiprush, ok, mailed to -users, -doc and sounder | 06:43 |
| mdke | oh crap | 06:44 |
| mdke | stupid evolution buggered up the address | 06:44 |
| mdke | remailed | 06:45 |
| whiprush | thanks | 06:46 |
| whiprush | i'll run it in a few | 06:46 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | gawd. 2 am :| | 06:47 |
| jjesse | afternoon sorry i had to leave out of the meeting | 08:24 |
| whiprush | mdke: any other docteam related stuff you want me to run? | 08:35 |
| whiprush | (while I'm at it) | 08:35 |
| whiprush | do you guys do meeting summaries or anything? | 08:35 |
| jjesse | whiprush: i think meeting summaries have happened in the past | 08:52 |
| whiprush | k | 08:54 |
| judax | jjesse: the meeting ended right after you left | 08:54 |
| jjesse | they always seem so long :( | 08:54 |
| judax | nothing beyond doc.u.c was discussed | 08:55 |
| judax | they are long, hehe | 08:55 |
| jjesse | it's hard to take 1.5 hours of work time and devote to them, oh well | 08:56 |
| judax | that is very true | 08:57 |
| judax | I made some changes to the kquickguide, in connecting to the internet, still referenced Control Center, but I have been looking over the whole doc | 08:58 |
| judax | what was the big stuff that needed to be addressed | 08:58 |
| judax | just skimming, but but it talks about adept, katapult, system settings, etc. | 08:59 |
| jjesse | judax: i started to work big time on the kquickguide but then it was decided to just release kreleasenotes and about-kubuntu | 08:59 |
| jjesse | the goal for the weekend is to get the docs to build html wise | 09:00 |
| judax | yes, we talked about that, they build | 09:00 |
| judax | just not the right stylesheet I guess | 09:00 |
| judax | but they build just fine | 09:00 |
| jjesse | hmm i tried last night and was getting docbook errors | 09:00 |
| judax | kquickguide has been pushed | 09:00 |
| jjesse | pushed out to the distrobution or to website? | 09:01 |
| judax | what file? | 09:01 |
| judax | I guess I should revise, I have not tried to build them all | 09:01 |
| jjesse | kquickguide | 09:01 |
| judax | you dont have kquickguide on your breezy install? | 09:02 |
| jjesse | i didn't make it as done | 09:02 |
| jjesse | mark it as done | 09:02 |
| judax | hmm, it is in khelpcenter under kubuntu docs | 09:02 |
| jjesse | my laptop is an upgrade of hoary so i'm not sure, checking other box | 09:03 |
| judax | kk | 09:03 |
| jjesse | yeah kubuntu quick guide is there, but the stylesheet is not applied | 09:05 |
| judax | in khelpcenter? | 09:06 |
| jjesse | yeah | 09:06 |
| judax | yeah, I think that was the reason sean sent congratulations earlier this week | 09:06 |
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| jjesse | look at about kubuntu and release notes | 09:06 |
| judax | anyway, I just built kquickguide | 09:06 |
| judax | and it builds fine, just no stylesheet | 09:06 |
| jjesse | i saw some commit | 09:06 |
| judax | yes, I see the style difference | 09:07 |
| judax | do you know where that style is at? | 09:08 |
| jjesse | no i don't, Riddell added it | 09:08 |
| judax | he said in the meeting that the kde-web style was in a super secret location | 09:09 |
| judax | :) | 09:09 |
| jjesse | grin i'll bug him | 09:11 |
| judax | got to run for a bit | 09:12 |
| mdke | hi all | 09:45 |
| mdke | Riddell, do you know what sort of time frame we are talking about for sorting out those stylesheets? | 09:46 |
| Riddell | no idea, is it urgent? | 09:52 |
| Riddell | monday is you keep poking me hard enough | 09:52 |
| mdke | i'm easy about it, but that is because I'm not a kubuntu user | 09:52 |
| mdke | it would be nice to have some kubuntu stuff on help.ubuntu.com as well | 09:52 |
| mdke | i'll keep poking | 09:54 |
| judax | everyone should be a Kubuntu user | 10:01 |
| mdke | hmm | 10:03 |
| mdke | it is better than cocaine? | 10:04 |
| mdke | judax, i like my gnome :) | 10:05 |
| judax | mdke: I know, just ribbin ya | 10:05 |
| jjesse | mmm kde | 10:06 |
| judax | mdke: I have a dedicated ubuntu box that sits next to my kubuntu box | 10:06 |
| mdke | overkill! | 10:07 |
| judax | just have to see how the other half lives, or doesn't as the case may be :P | 10:07 |
| mdke | heh | 10:08 |
| judax | mdke: speaking of gnome, have you tried Newton, a personal wiki note taking-type dock app? It is very cool | 10:09 |
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| mdke | judax, no i haven't, i'll look it up | 10:09 |
| mdke | although I like my moin too :) | 10:09 |
| judax | think it is newton.sf.net | 10:10 |
| mdke | ah it's not even packaged | 10:10 |
| mdke | goddammit | 10:10 |
| judax | yes, but the dev is a ubuntu user so, you can get it easily | 10:10 |
| judax | it is very cool and the html export is nice | 10:11 |
| mdke | hmm that looks nice | 10:11 |
| judax | work well, I am using it for note taking of all kind now, work, personal etc | 10:11 |
| mdke | the lock isn't massively different to yelp... | 10:14 |
| mdke | look* | 10:15 |
| judax | yeah, very familiar look, has a brown 'ubuntu' them and a blue one | 10:16 |
| judax | s/them/theme | 10:16 |
| judax | they had a review in Linux Format magazine this past month, that is how I found it | 10:17 |
| jjesse | judax: i don't know if i told you or not but Riddell will also be adding the style sheet to the kquickguide doc so release notes, about-kubuntu and kquickguide will all look similar | 10:19 |
| mdke | i installed the deb and ran "newton" but nothing has happened | 10:19 |
| judax | jjesse: great, thx for letting me know, I won't mess with it | 10:19 |
| judax | mdke: it is a dock app | 10:20 |
| mdke | doh | 10:20 |
| judax | add to panel | 10:20 |
| Riddell | Riddell will be attempting too :) | 10:20 |
| judax | Riddell: :) | 10:20 |
| Riddell | I've never quite got the hang of these docbook tools | 10:20 |
| mdke | judax, it is a lot faster than help :) | 10:21 |
| judax | mdke: I believe the dev version of newton is not restircted to the panel | 10:21 |
| mdke | help/yelp | 10:21 |
| judax | mdke: it is very snappy, I have been impressed..and stable | 10:21 |
| mdke | we need something like that for docs | 10:21 |
| judax | that html export just rocks | 10:22 |
| judax | try that when you get a chance | 10:22 |
| mdke | cool | 10:22 |
| mdke | yeah that rocks | 10:23 |
| judax | :-) | 10:23 |
| jjesse | does it build on kubuntu? | 10:23 |
| jjesse | or is not packaged? | 10:23 |
| jjesse | sorry got my terms messed up? | 10:23 |
| mdke | there is a deb you can download | 10:23 |
| mdke | judax, who develops it? | 10:24 |
| judax | I cant remember his name will have to check the magazine | 10:24 |
| mdke | it says "dennis" | 10:24 |
| mdke | on sf | 10:25 |
| judax | jjesse: you may want to check out the development version for kde, since the deb is a gnome panel app | 10:25 |
| jjesse | is that .9-2? | 10:25 |
| judax | jjesse: I have not tired it on kde yet, but I think the dev talks about that on his site somewhere | 10:25 |
| judax | jjesse: think it is the svn head | 10:25 |
| judax | jjesse: he talks about that somewhere on his site, read it the other day | 10:26 |
| jjesse | reading | 10:26 |
| mdke | that is one nice program | 10:27 |
| judax | hey, I have to run out for awhile, get the kids, blah blah, talk to you later | 10:28 |
| mdke | cya | 10:28 |
| jjesse | hmm latest from svn says i need gnome-common module | 10:33 |
| jjesse | bummer | 10:33 |
| mdke | jjesse, yes it is a gnome app right now i think | 10:39 |
| jjesse | it looks like a sweet app | 10:39 |
| mdke | yeah it is very nice | 10:39 |
| mdke | i'm gonna keep it | 10:39 |
| jjesse | ok have a good weekend, i'll be busy don't know how much i'll be on the channel but have a good one | 10:50 |
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