[08:18] <jsgotangco> hi
[08:19] <Burgundavia> salut
[08:19] <Burgundavia> sean frustrates me
[08:19] <jsgotangco> well....
[08:20] <highvoltage> :)_
[08:20] <jsgotangco> we can talk about it later on the meeting i guess if we hvae time
[08:20] <Burgundavia> oh, shit the meeting
[08:21] <Burgundavia> I am going to have to miss it, as I have to be at work at 7am now
[08:21] <Burgundavia> I forgot to email the list about that
[08:21] <jsgotangco> as long as we have 1 stand he'll never get his way
[08:21] <jsgotangco> we could use an evil genius one way or another :)
[08:22] <jsgotangco> of course when i say 'evil' its in jest :)
[09:15] <Burgundavia> night
[10:07] <jsgotangco> Riddell: any reason why i can't resize network settings window at all? I can't go into admin mode
[10:12] <apokryphos> jsgotangco: network settings window *should* resize; try alt+right-click to expand
[10:13] <jsgotangco> i couldn't see the Admin mode button at all
[10:14] <jsgotangco> grrr
[10:15] <apokryphos> jsgotangco: still can't?
[10:15] <jsgotangco> yep
[10:15] <apokryphos> you can't resize the window? You tried with alt, right?
[10:15] <jsgotangco> i can only do 1024x768 on this laptop
[10:15] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:15] <apokryphos> that is more than enough
[10:15] <jsgotangco> the admin mode button is way way below...
[10:15] <apokryphos> and what.. it didn't resize?
[10:15] <jsgotangco> it didn't
[10:16] <jsgotangco> i was hoping an update would fix that
[10:16] <apokryphos> hm, the dinwo doesn't go that small -- that's true
[10:16] <jsgotangco> the other windows work fine though
[10:17] <jsgotangco> except network settings
[10:17] <apokryphos> try going to it through kcontrol
[10:17] <apokryphos> s/dinwo/window/ (how did that come out so wrong :D)
[10:17] <jsgotangco> i dont have a kcontrol
[10:17] <apokryphos> you do
[10:17] <apokryphos> alt+f2 -> kcontrol
[10:18] <jsgotangco> ahh that's so much better
[10:18] <jsgotangco> that's what i miss from 5.04
[10:19] <jsgotangco> it just says 'loading'
[10:19] <apokryphos> the systemsettings not going smaller, though, is really a bug; you should report it if you have time
[10:19] <apokryphos> jsgotangco: another known bug :/
[10:19] <jsgotangco> gahhh
[10:19] <apokryphos> jsgotangco: alt+f2 -> kdesu kcontrol  ...instead
[10:19] <jsgotangco> so i have to resort to ifconfig then...
[10:19] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[10:21] <jsgotangco> ok let me reload kde first
[10:36] <rob^> pfft weak.. I have to be at work at 6:30am and the meeting starts midnight my time!
[10:37] <rob^> bbl thunder storm (and no ups
[10:42] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> 20:08. almost time for a meeting (well, less then 3 hours iirc)
[12:39] <mdke> you live in a timezone with a difference of 30 minutes rather than 1 hours? I have never heard of that
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> +9:30
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> south australia, NT, japan (i think)
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> NT=Northern Teritory
[12:41] <mdke> wow
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats unusual
[12:41] <mdke> i thought it was all 1 hour difference
[12:42] <ajmitch> NZ-CHAT
[12:42] <mdke> that is just silly
[12:42] <ajmitch> at the moment it's UTC+13:45
[12:42] <ajmitch> since it's a fair way from mainland NZ
[12:42] <mdke> hmm
[12:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. damn kiwis :P
[12:42] <mdke> even so i don't see the point of complicating people's lives
[12:42] <ajmitch> doesn't affect many people :)
[12:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:42] <mdke> even more reason not to do it
[12:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> not our problem! stop now ;)
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> nearly time
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> this time for real :|
[03:56] <mdke> we'll have to see if anyone turns up
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. im wondering after reading the email today :|
[03:58] <rob^> howdy
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hallo rob^. you up for a lot of bug reports?
[03:58] <rob^> :( no
[03:58] <rob^> heh
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:59] <rob^> why is that?
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> well get ready :|
[04:00] <judax> I am here
[04:00] <rob^> eh looks like a few people are gonna miss the meeting
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> just a few :S
[04:01] <rob^> dam
[04:01] <rob^> soft c***s
[04:01] <rob^> :P
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> how long do you give ppl to show up in -meeting?
[04:02] <rob^> I'll give them 5 more minutes
[04:04] <rob^> hi mdke
[04:04] <rob^> ok, shall we..
[05:04] <apokryphos> are the kubuntu etc docs going to be on help.ubuntu.com too?
[05:04] <mdke> yes
[05:05] <mdke> but they need to be buildable first
[05:06] <apokryphos> ftr, I think it's a little odd to have side navigation as the only way of getting to them -- the previous way (as it was on d.u.c) was really good; with all the docs listed with brief description (and alternative languages)
[05:06] <mdke> o.o
[05:06] <mdke> how did you see that?
[05:06] <mdke> I was thinking just now that the best thing is to put links in the main body too
[05:09] <mdke> apokryphos, i'm curious as to how you saw the server tho
[05:09] <jjesse> apokryphos: i'm wokring on getting the kubuntu docs to build as we speak
[05:09] <apokryphos> mdke: which server? The old d.u.c?
[05:09] <mdke> apokryphos, the new one
[05:10] <apokryphos> aha, it's there now, so I see
[05:10] <apokryphos> jjesse: nice :)
[05:10] <mdke> yes
[05:10] <mdke> but how did you get the address goddammit
[05:10] <mdke> we've been keeping it top secret
[05:10] <apokryphos> we unfortunately had the wrong page in the #ubuntu topic (the d.u.c), but fixed it the other day, so it's fine now
[05:11] <apokryphos> mdke: d.u.c? 
[05:11] <mdke> gah
[05:11] <mdke> the new server for help.u.c, which has the side navigation, how did you see it?
[05:11] <apokryphos> er, it was /topic in #ubuntu for ages, and it was in your channel topic too IIRC :-O
[05:11] <apokryphos> ah
[05:11] <apokryphos> it took me directly to it; no idea
[05:11] <mdke> oh awesome
[05:12] <mdke> they changed the dns already
[05:12] <mdke> not for doc.u.c though
[05:12] <rob^> ooh pretty
[05:13] <apokryphos> yup, looks nice now
[05:13] <mdke> ok doc.ubuntu.com has changed now too
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: the win/linux app comparisoins. got any around? 
[05:19] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#pkgtablestock
[05:19] <apokryphos> that one's made for Kubuntu
[05:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta. good enough ;)
[05:19] <apokryphos> there's just such a serious amount of documentation there -- loaads of things (like notes on practically all kde apps)
[05:20] <jsgotangco> LOTS
[05:23] <apokryphos> idneed
[05:23] <apokryphos> or indeed, even
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> finding docs on what you want in linux is the problem, not finding docs :) suppose thats what we are for
[05:24] <jsgotangco> the issue on KDE imo is how to make that doc very easy to navigate...
[05:26] <apokryphos> the kudos one? I'd say it was fairly accessible
[05:26] <jjesse> jsgotangco: i have to split to a meeting i just sent you an email about other parts of the agenda that i might have a comment on
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=431565#post431565 < = what do ppl think ? saw it on the forums
[06:43] <mdke> whiprush, ok, mailed to -users, -doc and sounder
[06:44] <mdke> oh crap
[06:44] <mdke> stupid evolution buggered up the address
[06:45] <mdke> remailed
[06:46] <whiprush> thanks
[06:46] <whiprush> i'll run it in a few
[06:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> gawd. 2 am :|
[08:24] <jjesse> afternoon sorry i had to leave out of the meeting
[08:35] <whiprush> mdke: any other docteam related stuff you want me to run?
[08:35] <whiprush> (while I'm at it)
[08:35] <whiprush> do you guys do meeting summaries or anything?
[08:52] <jjesse> whiprush: i think meeting summaries have happened in the past
[08:54] <whiprush> k
[08:54] <judax> jjesse: the meeting ended right after you left
[08:54] <jjesse> they always seem so long :(
[08:55] <judax> nothing beyond doc.u.c was discussed
[08:55] <judax> they are long, hehe
[08:56] <jjesse> it's hard to take 1.5 hours of work time and devote to them, oh well
[08:57] <judax> that is very true
[08:58] <judax> I made some changes to the kquickguide, in connecting to the internet, still referenced Control Center, but I have been looking over the whole doc
[08:58] <judax> what was the big stuff that needed to be addressed
[08:59] <judax> just skimming, but but it talks about adept, katapult, system settings, etc.
[08:59] <jjesse> judax:  i started to work big time on the kquickguide but then it was decided to just release kreleasenotes and about-kubuntu
[09:00] <jjesse> the goal for the weekend is to get the docs to build html wise
[09:00] <judax> yes, we talked about that, they build
[09:00] <judax> just not the right stylesheet I guess
[09:00] <judax> but they build just fine
[09:00] <jjesse> hmm i tried last night and was getting docbook errors
[09:00] <judax> kquickguide has been pushed
[09:01] <jjesse> pushed out to the distrobution or to website?
[09:01] <judax> what file?
[09:01] <judax> I guess I should revise, I have not tried to build them all
[09:01] <jjesse> kquickguide
[09:02] <judax> you dont have kquickguide on your breezy install?
[09:02] <jjesse> i didn't make it as done
[09:02] <jjesse> mark it as done
[09:02] <judax> hmm, it is in khelpcenter under kubuntu docs
[09:03] <jjesse> my laptop is an upgrade of hoary so i'm not sure, checking other box
[09:03] <judax> kk
[09:05] <jjesse> yeah kubuntu quick guide is there, but the stylesheet is not applied
[09:06] <judax> in khelpcenter?
[09:06] <jjesse> yeah
[09:06] <judax> yeah, I think that was the reason sean sent congratulations earlier this week
[09:06] <jjesse> look at about kubuntu and release notes
[09:06] <judax> anyway, I just built kquickguide
[09:06] <judax> and it builds fine, just no stylesheet
[09:06] <jjesse> i saw some commit
[09:07] <judax> yes, I see the style difference
[09:08] <judax> do you know where that style is at?
[09:08] <jjesse> no i don't, Riddell added it
[09:09] <judax> he said in the meeting that the kde-web style was in a super secret location
[09:09] <judax> :)
[09:11] <jjesse> grin i'll bug him
[09:12] <judax> got to run for a bit
[09:45] <mdke> hi all
[09:46] <mdke> Riddell, do you know what sort of time frame we are talking about for sorting out those stylesheets?
[09:52] <Riddell> no idea, is it urgent?
[09:52] <Riddell> monday is you keep poking me hard enough
[09:52] <mdke> i'm easy about it, but that is because I'm not a kubuntu user
[09:52] <mdke> it would be nice to have some kubuntu stuff on help.ubuntu.com as well
[09:54] <mdke> i'll keep poking
[10:01] <judax> everyone should be a Kubuntu user
[10:03] <mdke> hmm
[10:04] <mdke> it is better than cocaine?
[10:05] <mdke> judax, i like my gnome :)
[10:05] <judax> mdke: I know, just ribbin ya
[10:06] <jjesse> mmm kde
[10:06] <judax> mdke: I have a dedicated ubuntu box that sits next to my kubuntu box
[10:07] <mdke> overkill!
[10:07] <judax> just have to see how the other half lives, or doesn't as the case may be :P
[10:08] <mdke> heh
[10:09] <judax> mdke: speaking of gnome, have you tried Newton, a personal wiki note taking-type dock app?  It is very cool
[10:09] <mdke> judax, no i haven't, i'll look it up
[10:09] <mdke> although I like my moin too :)
[10:10] <judax> think it is newton.sf.net
[10:10] <mdke> ah it's not even packaged
[10:10] <mdke> goddammit
[10:10] <judax> yes, but the dev is a ubuntu user so, you can get it easily
[10:11] <judax> it is very cool and the html export is nice
[10:11] <mdke> hmm that looks nice
[10:11] <judax> work well, I am using it for note taking of all kind now, work, personal etc
[10:14] <mdke> the lock isn't massively different to yelp...
[10:15] <mdke> look*
[10:16] <judax> yeah, very familiar look, has a brown 'ubuntu' them and a blue one
[10:16] <judax> s/them/theme
[10:17] <judax> they had a review in Linux Format magazine this past month, that is how I found it
[10:19] <jjesse> judax:  i don't know if i told you or not but Riddell  will also be adding the style sheet to the kquickguide doc so release notes, about-kubuntu and kquickguide will all look similar
[10:19] <mdke> i installed the deb and ran "newton" but nothing has happened
[10:19] <judax> jjesse: great, thx for letting me know, I won't mess with it
[10:20] <judax> mdke: it is a dock app
[10:20] <mdke> doh
[10:20] <judax> add to panel
[10:20] <Riddell> Riddell will be attempting too :)
[10:20] <judax> Riddell: :)
[10:20] <Riddell> I've never quite got the hang of these docbook tools
[10:21] <mdke> judax, it is a lot faster than help :)
[10:21] <judax> mdke: I believe the dev version of newton is not restircted to the panel
[10:21] <mdke> help/yelp
[10:21] <judax> mdke: it is very snappy, I have been impressed..and stable
[10:21] <mdke> we need something like that for docs
[10:22] <judax> that html export just rocks
[10:22] <judax> try that when you get a chance
[10:22] <mdke> cool
[10:23] <mdke> yeah that rocks
[10:23] <judax> :-)
[10:23] <jjesse> does it build on kubuntu?
[10:23] <jjesse> or is not packaged?
[10:23] <jjesse> sorry got my terms messed up?
[10:23] <mdke> there is a deb you can download
[10:24] <mdke> judax, who develops it?
[10:24] <judax> I cant remember his name will have to check the magazine
[10:24] <mdke> it says "dennis"
[10:25] <mdke> on sf
[10:25] <judax> jjesse: you may want to check out the development version for kde, since the deb is a gnome panel app
[10:25] <jjesse> is that .9-2?
[10:25] <judax> jjesse: I have not tired it on kde yet, but I think the dev talks about that on his site somewhere
[10:25] <judax> jjesse: think it is the svn head
[10:26] <judax> jjesse: he talks about that somewhere on his site, read it the other day
[10:26] <jjesse> reading
[10:27] <mdke> that is one nice program
[10:28] <judax> hey, I have to run out for awhile, get the kids, blah blah, talk to you later
[10:28] <mdke> cya
[10:33] <jjesse> hmm latest from svn says i need gnome-common module
[10:33] <jjesse> bummer
[10:39] <mdke> jjesse, yes it is a gnome app right now i think
[10:39] <jjesse> it looks like a sweet app
[10:39] <mdke> yeah it is very nice
[10:39] <mdke> i'm gonna keep it
[10:50] <jjesse> ok have a good weekend, i'll be busy don't know how much i'll be on the channel but have a good one