=== enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] === dfarning [n=dfarning@ppp-70-226-140-33.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === foxiness [n=nayif@84.22.243.223] has joined #ubuntu-doc === foxiness [n=nayif@84.22.243.223] has left #ubuntu-doc ["thanks] === judax [n=judax@adsl-70-240-14-115.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-221.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp209-139.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp209-139.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-221.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jabra [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === whiprush [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port163-86.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mvirkkil [n=mvirkkil@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-doc === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jordi [n=jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rrowland__ [n=rrowland@adsl-068-016-117-074.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jbailey [n=jbailey@testhaus.cns.utoronto.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:18] hi [08:19] salut [08:19] sean frustrates me [08:19] well.... [08:20] :)_ [08:20] we can talk about it later on the meeting i guess if we hvae time === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mvirkkil [n=mvirkkil@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port163-86.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === whiprush [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jabra [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-221.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:20] oh, shit the meeting [08:21] I am going to have to miss it, as I have to be at work at 7am now [08:21] I forgot to email the list about that [08:21] as long as we have 1 stand he'll never get his way [08:21] we could use an evil genius one way or another :) [08:22] of course when i say 'evil' its in jest :) === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:15] night === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:07] Riddell: any reason why i can't resize network settings window at all? I can't go into admin mode [10:12] jsgotangco: network settings window *should* resize; try alt+right-click to expand [10:13] i couldn't see the Admin mode button at all [10:14] grrr [10:15] jsgotangco: still can't? [10:15] yep [10:15] you can't resize the window? You tried with alt, right? [10:15] i can only do 1024x768 on this laptop [10:15] yes [10:15] that is more than enough [10:15] the admin mode button is way way below... [10:15] and what.. it didn't resize? [10:15] it didn't [10:16] i was hoping an update would fix that [10:16] hm, the dinwo doesn't go that small -- that's true [10:16] the other windows work fine though [10:17] except network settings [10:17] try going to it through kcontrol [10:17] s/dinwo/window/ (how did that come out so wrong :D) [10:17] i dont have a kcontrol === jsgotangco kubuntu n00b [10:17] you do [10:17] alt+f2 -> kcontrol [10:18] ahh that's so much better [10:18] that's what i miss from 5.04 [10:19] it just says 'loading' [10:19] the systemsettings not going smaller, though, is really a bug; you should report it if you have time [10:19] jsgotangco: another known bug :/ [10:19] gahhh [10:19] jsgotangco: alt+f2 -> kdesu kcontrol ...instead [10:19] so i have to resort to ifconfig then... [10:19] ahhh [10:21] ok let me reload kde first === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:36] pfft weak.. I have to be at work at 6:30am and the meeting starts midnight my time! === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:37] bbl thunder storm (and no ups [10:42] brb === n1c0las [n=niklas@nicolas.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:38] 20:08. almost time for a meeting (well, less then 3 hours iirc) [12:39] you live in a timezone with a difference of 30 minutes rather than 1 hours? I have never heard of that [12:40] +9:30 [12:40] south australia, NT, japan (i think) [12:40] NT=Northern Teritory === ajmitch knows of a timezone with 45min difference [12:41] wow [12:41] o_0 [12:41] thats unusual [12:41] i thought it was all 1 hour difference [12:42] NZ-CHAT [12:42] that is just silly [12:42] at the moment it's UTC+13:45 [12:42] since it's a fair way from mainland NZ [12:42] hmm [12:42] heh. damn kiwis :P [12:42] even so i don't see the point of complicating people's lives [12:42] doesn't affect many people :) [12:42] lol [12:42] even more reason not to do it [12:43] not our problem! stop now ;) === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru_sleep [n=poningru@n128-227-34-221.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jabra [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === whiprush [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port163-86.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mvirkkil [n=mvirkkil@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [n=troy@adsl-70-240-14-115.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:53] nearly time [03:53] this time for real :| [03:56] we'll have to see if anyone turns up === mdke crosses fingers === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:57] yeh. im wondering after reading the email today :| [03:58] howdy [03:58] hallo rob^. you up for a lot of bug reports? [03:58] :( no [03:58] heh [03:59] lol [03:59] why is that? [03:59] well get ready :| === rob^ checks mail === Kamping_Kaiser opens bugzilla [04:00] I am here [04:00] eh looks like a few people are gonna miss the meeting [04:01] just a few :S [04:01] dam [04:01] soft c***s [04:01] :P [04:01] lol [04:02] how long do you give ppl to show up in -meeting? [04:02] I'll give them 5 more minutes [04:04] hi mdke [04:04] ok, shall we.. === jeffsch [n=jeffsch@fatwire-204-157.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jsgotangco [i=jsgotang@info1-190.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-130.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bojicas [n=bojicas@217.164.203.185] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:04] are the kubuntu etc docs going to be on help.ubuntu.com too? [05:04] yes [05:05] but they need to be buildable first [05:06] ftr, I think it's a little odd to have side navigation as the only way of getting to them -- the previous way (as it was on d.u.c) was really good; with all the docs listed with brief description (and alternative languages) [05:06] o.o [05:06] how did you see that? [05:06] I was thinking just now that the best thing is to put links in the main body too [05:09] apokryphos, i'm curious as to how you saw the server tho [05:09] apokryphos: i'm wokring on getting the kubuntu docs to build as we speak [05:09] mdke: which server? The old d.u.c? [05:09] apokryphos, the new one [05:10] aha, it's there now, so I see [05:10] jjesse: nice :) [05:10] yes [05:10] but how did you get the address goddammit [05:10] we've been keeping it top secret [05:10] we unfortunately had the wrong page in the #ubuntu topic (the d.u.c), but fixed it the other day, so it's fine now [05:11] mdke: d.u.c? [05:11] gah [05:11] the new server for help.u.c, which has the side navigation, how did you see it? [05:11] er, it was /topic in #ubuntu for ages, and it was in your channel topic too IIRC :-O [05:11] ah [05:11] it took me directly to it; no idea [05:11] oh awesome [05:12] they changed the dns already [05:12] not for doc.u.c though [05:12] ooh pretty === rob^ just checked it out [05:13] yup, looks nice now [05:13] ok doc.ubuntu.com has changed now too [05:18] apokryphos: the win/linux app comparisoins. got any around? [05:19] Kamping_Kaiser: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#pkgtablestock [05:19] that one's made for Kubuntu [05:19] ta. good enough ;) [05:19] there's just such a serious amount of documentation there -- loaads of things (like notes on practically all kde apps) [05:20] LOTS [05:23] idneed [05:23] or indeed, even [05:24] finding docs on what you want in linux is the problem, not finding docs :) suppose thats what we are for [05:24] the issue on KDE imo is how to make that doc very easy to navigate... [05:26] the kudos one? I'd say it was fairly accessible [05:26] jsgotangco: i have to split to a meeting i just sent you an email about other parts of the agenda that i might have a comment on === jeffsch is now known as jeff_away === jsgotangco [i=jsgotang@info1-190.info.com.ph] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [05:42] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=431565#post431565 < = what do ppl think ? saw it on the forums === dfarning [n=dfarning@ppp-70-226-140-33.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === apokryphos_ [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:43] whiprush, ok, mailed to -users, -doc and sounder [06:44] oh crap [06:44] stupid evolution buggered up the address [06:45] remailed [06:46] thanks [06:46] i'll run it in a few [06:47] gawd. 2 am :| [08:24] afternoon sorry i had to leave out of the meeting [08:35] mdke: any other docteam related stuff you want me to run? [08:35] (while I'm at it) [08:35] do you guys do meeting summaries or anything? [08:52] whiprush: i think meeting summaries have happened in the past [08:54] k [08:54] jjesse: the meeting ended right after you left [08:54] they always seem so long :( [08:55] nothing beyond doc.u.c was discussed [08:55] they are long, hehe [08:56] it's hard to take 1.5 hours of work time and devote to them, oh well [08:57] that is very true [08:58] I made some changes to the kquickguide, in connecting to the internet, still referenced Control Center, but I have been looking over the whole doc [08:58] what was the big stuff that needed to be addressed [08:59] just skimming, but but it talks about adept, katapult, system settings, etc. [08:59] judax: i started to work big time on the kquickguide but then it was decided to just release kreleasenotes and about-kubuntu [09:00] the goal for the weekend is to get the docs to build html wise [09:00] yes, we talked about that, they build [09:00] just not the right stylesheet I guess [09:00] but they build just fine [09:00] hmm i tried last night and was getting docbook errors [09:00] kquickguide has been pushed [09:01] pushed out to the distrobution or to website? [09:01] what file? [09:01] I guess I should revise, I have not tried to build them all [09:01] kquickguide [09:02] you dont have kquickguide on your breezy install? [09:02] i didn't make it as done [09:02] mark it as done [09:02] hmm, it is in khelpcenter under kubuntu docs [09:03] my laptop is an upgrade of hoary so i'm not sure, checking other box [09:03] kk [09:05] yeah kubuntu quick guide is there, but the stylesheet is not applied [09:06] in khelpcenter? [09:06] yeah [09:06] yeah, I think that was the reason sean sent congratulations earlier this week === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:06] look at about kubuntu and release notes [09:06] anyway, I just built kquickguide [09:06] and it builds fine, just no stylesheet [09:06] i saw some commit [09:07] yes, I see the style difference [09:08] do you know where that style is at? [09:08] no i don't, Riddell added it [09:09] he said in the meeting that the kde-web style was in a super secret location [09:09] :) [09:11] grin i'll bug him [09:12] got to run for a bit [09:45] hi all [09:46] Riddell, do you know what sort of time frame we are talking about for sorting out those stylesheets? [09:52] no idea, is it urgent? [09:52] monday is you keep poking me hard enough [09:52] i'm easy about it, but that is because I'm not a kubuntu user [09:52] it would be nice to have some kubuntu stuff on help.ubuntu.com as well [09:54] i'll keep poking [10:01] everyone should be a Kubuntu user [10:03] hmm [10:04] it is better than cocaine? [10:05] judax, i like my gnome :) [10:05] mdke: I know, just ribbin ya [10:06] mmm kde [10:06] mdke: I have a dedicated ubuntu box that sits next to my kubuntu box [10:07] overkill! [10:07] just have to see how the other half lives, or doesn't as the case may be :P [10:08] heh [10:09] mdke: speaking of gnome, have you tried Newton, a personal wiki note taking-type dock app? It is very cool === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [10:09] judax, no i haven't, i'll look it up [10:09] although I like my moin too :) [10:10] think it is newton.sf.net [10:10] ah it's not even packaged [10:10] goddammit [10:10] yes, but the dev is a ubuntu user so, you can get it easily [10:11] it is very cool and the html export is nice [10:11] hmm that looks nice [10:11] work well, I am using it for note taking of all kind now, work, personal etc [10:14] the lock isn't massively different to yelp... [10:15] look* [10:16] yeah, very familiar look, has a brown 'ubuntu' them and a blue one [10:16] s/them/theme [10:17] they had a review in Linux Format magazine this past month, that is how I found it [10:19] judax: i don't know if i told you or not but Riddell will also be adding the style sheet to the kquickguide doc so release notes, about-kubuntu and kquickguide will all look similar [10:19] i installed the deb and ran "newton" but nothing has happened [10:19] jjesse: great, thx for letting me know, I won't mess with it [10:20] mdke: it is a dock app [10:20] doh [10:20] add to panel [10:20] Riddell will be attempting too :) [10:20] Riddell: :) [10:20] I've never quite got the hang of these docbook tools [10:21] judax, it is a lot faster than help :) [10:21] mdke: I believe the dev version of newton is not restircted to the panel [10:21] help/yelp [10:21] mdke: it is very snappy, I have been impressed..and stable [10:21] we need something like that for docs [10:22] that html export just rocks [10:22] try that when you get a chance [10:22] cool [10:23] yeah that rocks [10:23] :-) [10:23] does it build on kubuntu? [10:23] or is not packaged? [10:23] sorry got my terms messed up? [10:23] there is a deb you can download [10:24] judax, who develops it? [10:24] I cant remember his name will have to check the magazine [10:24] it says "dennis" [10:25] on sf [10:25] jjesse: you may want to check out the development version for kde, since the deb is a gnome panel app [10:25] is that .9-2? [10:25] jjesse: I have not tired it on kde yet, but I think the dev talks about that on his site somewhere [10:25] jjesse: think it is the svn head [10:26] jjesse: he talks about that somewhere on his site, read it the other day [10:26] reading [10:27] that is one nice program [10:28] hey, I have to run out for awhile, get the kids, blah blah, talk to you later [10:28] cya [10:33] hmm latest from svn says i need gnome-common module [10:33] bummer [10:39] jjesse, yes it is a gnome app right now i think [10:39] it looks like a sweet app [10:39] yeah it is very nice [10:39] i'm gonna keep it [10:50] ok have a good weekend, i'll be busy don't know how much i'll be on the channel but have a good one