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[09:19] <Belutz> anyone here?
[09:22] <tashiro> jupp
[09:23] <Belutz> do you know what happening in here http://belutz.pastebin.com/401205 ?
[09:23] <Belutz> i'm trying to install netbeans
[09:25] <tashiro> Belutz: huh, don't know. They come really with an InstallShield installer ?!
[09:25] <Belutz> that's why, it's weird
[09:26] <tashiro> NetBeans suck from my POV
[09:27] <Belutz> so what should i use?
[09:27] <Belutz> eclipse?
[09:28] <tashiro> Belutz: I use eclipse. I think it's a great product
[09:28] <Belutz> and why do you think netbeans suck?
[09:30] <tashiro> It's a closed software, mostly. They name it open source, but I think it isn't. And second it uses Swing :-)
[09:30] <Belutz> what's wrong with Swing?
[09:30] <Belutz> i'm new in java thingy
[09:31] <Belutz> :)
[09:32] <tashiro> Belutz: Swing tries to repaint all widget by itself instead of using the native widgets, which the OS offers. The result is that is looks odd on all platforms.
[09:32] <Belutz> i see
[09:32] <Belutz> then, what eclipse use?
[09:33] <tashiro> The native widgets
[09:33] <tashiro> For Linux you can choose between Motif and GTK
[09:33] <Belutz> i see
[09:33] <Belutz> i have to install plugin for that?
[09:34] <tashiro> All you have to install is the eclipse-sdk package
[09:36] <Belutz> yes... and i wonder why it needs mozilla-browser to be installed 
[09:37] <tashiro> It uses mozilla as embedded widget to show javadocs for example, see http://vern.chem.tu-berlin.de/~stephan/images/eclipse-gjdoc.png
[09:39] <Belutz> is the help file must be installed separately?
[09:41] <tashiro> No, but the help system doesn't currently work for ubuntu, because ubuntu miss some packages, which are needed for the help system. We're working on that.
[09:42] <Belutz> i see... so that's why i keep getting file not found when i try to access the help file?
[09:45] <tashiro> Yes, debian works better for this case. But there are also some missing bits. 
[09:46] <Belutz> ok, thanks for the info :) i'll be waiting for the update :)
[09:46] <tashiro> Stay tuned :-)
[09:47] <Belutz> :-)
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