| tseng | the mib path is set wrong | 12:02 |
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| lucas | have you filed a bug ? | 12:03 |
| tseng | no, BTS makes my bloodpressure go up | 12:03 |
| tseng | when is a web interface not a web interface? | 12:03 |
| lucas | tseng: there's no such bug in debian. it would be great if you could file one | 12:05 |
| tseng | yes im aware, i searched for it | 12:05 |
| tseng | there are actually no bugs for libsnmp-ruby last i checked | 12:05 |
| lucas | then don't expect this to get fixed :-) | 12:05 |
| tseng | which is funny because its relatively useless with the bug | 12:05 |
| lucas | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=330196 | 12:05 |
| lucas | there's this bug | 12:05 |
| tseng | yes that | 12:06 |
| lucas | seems this package is in bad shape | 12:06 |
| lucas | ah ok | 12:06 |
| tseng | very good. | 12:06 |
| lucas | see, the bug is in debian's BTS, not ubuntu's | 12:06 |
| tseng | uh | 12:06 |
| lucas | an example of my theory about ubuntu users being less prone to file bug reports | 12:06 |
| tseng | which is obviously where i looked for it | 12:07 |
| tseng | i file bugs to gnome | 12:07 |
| tseng | debian bugtracker is not usable | 12:07 |
| lucas | you can submit by mail | 12:07 |
| lucas | if your MUA allows to change some headers | 12:08 |
| tseng | *I* cant be arsed to submit debian bugs | 12:08 |
| tseng | its no wonder no one else can | 12:08 |
| lucas | anyway | 12:12 |
| lucas | if this bug report is the same bug as yours, and you have more info, just mail xxxxxx@bugs.debian.org | 12:12 |
| tseng | id rather make a patch | 12:14 |
| tseng | and give it to you | 12:14 |
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| ajmitch | yay, another bddebian | 12:15 |
| lucas | the previous version worked | 12:15 |
| lucas | so It's probably just a packaging bug | 12:15 |
| lucas | I'll ping the maintainer | 12:15 |
| tseng | you can ping him with a patch | 12:15 |
| tseng | /usr/share/doc/libsnmp-ruby1.8/yaml/ is the right path | 12:16 |
| tseng | 2 minutes | 12:16 |
| dholbach | good night guys | 12:16 |
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| lucas | tseng: ok | 12:17 |
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| lucas | re | 12:23 |
| lucas | sorry | 12:23 |
| lucas | killed X by mistake :-) | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | hiya bddebian | 12:24 |
| lucas | tseng: you have a patch or a better analysis of the bug ? | 12:24 |
| tseng | yes | 12:24 |
| tseng | http://tseng.ath.cx/snmp-ruby-path.diff | 12:24 |
| tseng | the debian package insists on diverting the mibs | 12:25 |
| lucas | is this url stable, or should I copy the patch ? | 12:25 |
| tseng | its stable | 12:25 |
| tseng | thanks for having a look | 12:25 |
| lucas | np | 12:26 |
| tseng | i will mail it to the bts | 12:26 |
| lucas | ok, as you want | 12:27 |
| lucas | just mail 330196@bugs.debian.org | 12:27 |
| tseng | sent | 12:29 |
| lucas | ok | 12:29 |
| lucas | the mail queue is processed every 15 minutes I think | 12:29 |
| lucas | you'll receive a confirmation that your info was received | 12:29 |
| tseng | exciting | 12:30 |
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| whiprush | heh | 12:30 |
| whiprush | poor tseng | 12:30 |
| lucas | tsss | 12:31 |
| Kyral | OMG I <3 Beagle | 12:32 |
| lucas | good night | 12:33 |
| bddebian2 | Heya LaserJock | 12:33 |
| Kyral | Anyone know how often Beagle re-indexes? | 12:34 |
| tseng | good, its there | 12:35 |
| tseng | Kyral: um | 12:35 |
| tseng | Kyral: constantly | 12:35 |
| tseng | it uses inotify to find out when files change | 12:35 |
| Kyral | I mean I love this thing, but I typed in "int main()" and it didn't pick up on a file | 12:35 |
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| whiprush | Kyral: you'll know it's working when your system starts to swap. ;p | 12:35 |
| Kyral | SYSTEM i686 Ubuntu (Debian) GNU/Linux, Kernel 2.6.13.4-GNUGenerationCustom, LIBC 2.3.5, GNU Bash Shell | CPU AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2700+, 2167Mhz, 256KB Cache, 4339 BMIPs | MEM 250/500MB RAM Used, 2/1333MB Swap Used | STORAGE 4.7GB ReiserFS, 6.5GB Ext3, 9.4GB ReiserFS, 10MB TmpFS, 154GB ReiserFS, 251MB TmpFS, 266GB ReiserFS, 603MB ISO9660 | STATS Uptime 1.19d, Users 1(1), Procs 88(51797), Load 0.20 | X11 1280x1024x24bit | http://auk | 12:36 |
| Kyral | what swapping ;P | 12:36 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian2: I got my gpg key signed yesterday. I was quite excited because there were only 2 people in my area that were in the strong set (according to biglumber) | 12:45 |
| bddebian2 | Nice | 12:45 |
| Kyral | No one has signed my key | 12:46 |
| Kyral | I hope to change that at UBZ ;P | 12:46 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: that would be the place :) | 12:46 |
| LaserJock | I'm not going to UBZ unfortunately | 12:47 |
| Nafallo | I went to visit Mithrandir and got my key signed, that was the last argument for making me a member and MOTU really ;-) | 12:50 |
| Kyral | lol | 12:50 |
| Nafallo | was really fun :-). I still miss Norway. | 12:51 |
| === ajmitch got his key signed by the debian gnu/hurd cd packager ;) | ||
| Kyral | Hey mitch will you sign my key at UBZ? | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | maybe | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | you've got a chance if you bring government-issued photo ID | 12:54 |
| Kyral | Does a Learners Permit count? | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | maybe | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | I can't really say, not having seen one :P | 12:55 |
| Kyral | Think Trainee Drivers License | 12:56 |
| Kyral | (Yes I'm 20 and I don't have a Drivers License) | 12:56 |
| === ajmitch is 23 & doesn't have one :P | ||
| ajmitch | but that's mainly because I live < 10 min walk from work | 12:57 |
| lifeless | Kyral: does it have a photo? is it government issued? does it have name, dob ? | 12:57 |
| tseng | his name is andrew btw | 12:57 |
| Kyral | Yah. It says in BIG letters "NEW YORK STATE" at the top ;P | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | tseng: I'm used to it by now | 12:58 |
| Kyral | damn thats an old pic. No wonder, it was issued in 02 | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: http://librarian.launchpad.net/942825/942858/vm.debdiff has wrong version | 12:58 |
| Kyral | I gotta get a new one next year it seems ;P | 12:58 |
| Kyral | eh? | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | should be -4ubuntu1 | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | not -5 | 12:59 |
| === Kyral falls down | ||
| Kyral | I'll redo it | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | thanks | 12:59 |
| Kyral | Means I'll have to redownload the sourcecode and redo the patch... | 12:59 |
| tseng | does it? | 01:00 |
| Kyral | I | 01:00 |
| tseng | fix the changelog | 01:00 |
| Kyral | yah I tend to delete source packages when I'm done | 01:00 |
| tseng | oh good one | 01:00 |
| Kyral | unless they are my personal projects | 01:00 |
| Kyral | I'm trying to remember if I got that from Sid or not... | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | bbl, lunchtime | 01:01 |
| Kyral | Well, it looks like it doesn't matter | 01:03 |
| Kyral | Sid has a new version anyway | 01:03 |
| Kyral | Should I patch the Breezy version or the Sid version... | 01:04 |
| Kyral | aww hell I'll patch both and ask mitch which I should upload | 01:05 |
| Kyral | hey \sh | 01:10 |
| \sh | re | 01:11 |
| Kyral | Looks like I made a versioning blunder on one of my patchs :/ | 01:11 |
| Kyral | fixed...man don't I feel like an idiot | 01:14 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: well look at it this way, what if it had gotten uploaded to main or something. I could have been worse | 01:16 |
| Kyral | good point | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | does anybody know what happens to subscriptions when a wikipage is renamed? | 01:20 |
| sivang | LaserJock: interesting quesiton | 01:23 |
| LaserJock | I was wanting to rename some MOTU wikipages but I don't want to destroy subscriptions that are already in place | 01:23 |
| Kyral | hey sivang | 01:24 |
| Kyral | Okay homework time... | 01:26 |
| sivang | hey Kyral ! | 01:26 |
| sivang | Kyral: how is it going? | 01:26 |
| Kyral | Calc2 Homework.... | 01:26 |
| Kyral | I'll tell you after I finish | 01:26 |
| LaserJock | calc2, I think I disliked that more than calc1 or calc3 | 01:30 |
| LaserJock | In fact I don't think I liked it much at all ;-) | 01:30 |
| LaserJock | of course I'm a chemist so that's not a big suprise | 01:31 |
| crimsun | what about physics? | 01:31 |
| crimsun | did you love that? | 01:31 |
| LaserJock | yeah, physics was better | 01:32 |
| crimsun | figures. pchem is a good one with lots of yummy math. | 01:32 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: yeah, I'm a pchemist so I had to do the math | 01:32 |
| crimsun | rockin' | 01:32 |
| LaserJock | I'm in my 4th year of my Phd and I can't remember much of calc2 | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | but it wasn't pretty | 01:33 |
| crimsun | we just approximate anyhow :p | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | no kidding | 01:34 |
| LaserJock | I sometimes wonder why I had to do all the math classes when all I ever do is an approximation ;-) | 01:34 |
| crimsun | :-) | 01:34 |
| \sh | k..good night...# | 01:35 |
| LaserJock | Quantum, now there is some wierd stuff | 01:35 |
| LaserJock | student:"hmm, all I am getting is imaginary numbers." Prof: "just square it and it becomes real." | 01:37 |
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| crimsun | haha | 01:40 |
| LaserJock | that's why I just stick to my lasers and let the physicists handle the "real" math | 01:41 |
| Trashcan | connection problems solved :) | 01:45 |
| Trashcan | sorry for the 200 or so join/quits earlier | 01:45 |
| LaserJock | great, that was definately interesting | 01:45 |
| LaserJock | I thought your computer had ADD or something | 01:46 |
| Trashcan | hehe | 01:46 |
| Trashcan | must have been my ISP. Everything was going haywire :( | 01:46 |
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| LaserJock | gotta go home, cya all | 01:55 |
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| lucas | hi | 02:01 |
| lucas | tseng: still here ? | 02:01 |
| lucas | ogra: here ? | 02:06 |
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| Diablo_D3 | hey all | 02:33 |
| Diablo_D3 | does kubuntu have its own channel by any chance? | 02:33 |
| koke | Diablo_D3: #kubuntu | 02:33 |
| Diablo_D3 | this might be interesting for people in here too: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/kdegraphics/+bug/3437 | 02:34 |
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| Kyral | Calc SUCKS | 02:46 |
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| TiMiDo | hey people | 03:32 |
| LaserJock | hi | 03:33 |
| TiMiDo | wuz up LaserJock | 03:33 |
| LaserJock | not much, homework mostly | 03:33 |
| LaserJock | TiMiDo: how about you? | 03:38 |
| TiMiDo | here, dude looking at bugs, and writting some codes, | 03:38 |
| TiMiDo | and i want to be a motu (: | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | same here pretty much | 03:39 |
| TiMiDo | oh nice | 03:39 |
| LaserJock | are you an Ubuntu member yet? | 03:39 |
| TiMiDo | not really are you? | 03:40 |
| Kyral | I'm trying for it :D | 03:40 |
| TiMiDo | interesting | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | no, not yet | 03:40 |
| TiMiDo | oh | 03:40 |
| TiMiDo | what you're doing for ubuntu LaserJock? | 03:40 |
| Kyral | Most of my involvement has come through UbuntuForums.... | 03:40 |
| TiMiDo | oh nice | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | well, right now I am working on the MOTU wiki and I have been trying to do bugfixes and | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | I did some on the FTBFS and UniverseUnmetDeps | 03:41 |
| TiMiDo | oh nice, | 03:41 |
| Kyral | why the heck is SourceForge being slow? | 03:42 |
| tseng | this shoudl come as no suprise | 03:42 |
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| LaserJock | TiMiDo: are you documenting your work on the wiki? | 03:45 |
| Kyral | dangit, dholbach got to the Deskbar Applet...I thought I was gonna have an easy compile | 03:46 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: all the easy ones are taken ;-) | 03:46 |
| Kyral | NOW you tell me | 03:46 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't know, but that is what I would assume | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | since that is the way it works in life | 03:47 |
| Kyral | Hey if something I think should be in Universe already has a debpack, what should I do? | 03:48 |
| LaserJock | but it isn't in Debian? | 03:49 |
| Kyral | nope, isn't in Debian | 03:49 |
| Kyral | Author made the Debpack themselves | 03:49 |
| LaserJock | source? | 03:50 |
| Kyral | Its available | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | I mean a debian source package | 03:50 |
| Kyral | nope | 03:50 |
| Kyral | its a debpack or a source tarball | 03:51 |
| LaserJock | well, I suppose you could make a debian source from the tarball or ask the author for it but I don't think just the binary .deb is going to do | 03:52 |
| Kyral | No prob | 03:52 |
| LaserJock | I don't know though, any MOTU around | 03:52 |
| Kyral | this should be easy :D | 03:52 |
| Kyral | Thing is a frontend to Deborphan :D | 03:52 |
| Kyral | Which I love :D | 03:52 |
| LaserJock | cool | 03:52 |
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| crimsun | ask the author for the diff.gz | 03:59 |
| crimsun | you obviously have access to the orig.tar.gz, since you have access to the source tarball :-) | 04:00 |
| Kyral | Can't I just build it myself? | 04:01 |
| ajmitch | if you really really want | 04:02 |
| ajmitch | but it's duplication of effort | 04:02 |
| Kyral | It'll feel good to see a clean compile for once ;P | 04:02 |
| ajmitch | yeah, and packaging does help you learn | 04:03 |
| ajmitch | I think my record is 10 min from grabbing the source tarball to having a package ready for upload | 04:03 |
| Kyral | lol | 04:03 |
| Kyral | nice :D | 04:03 |
| ajmitch | and in the archive < 1 hour later | 04:03 |
| LaserJock | wow, that seems fast | 04:03 |
| ajmitch | it was a simple package | 04:04 |
| ajmitch | and I've seen so many packages now | 04:04 |
| === ajmitch has to get it into debian, still | ||
| ajmitch | maybe I should do that this weekend | 04:05 |
| Kyral | Whoa, this is going to force a new version of DebOrphan into Ubuntu... | 04:09 |
| ajmitch | well we're going to get the latest from sid anyway | 04:10 |
| Kyral | okay, so its not a problem then I take it? | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | not particularly | 04:10 |
| Kyral | okay | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | as soon as dapper is open & autosyncs begin, it's open season for us | 04:11 |
| Kyral | I can't wait | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | neither can we :P | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | at least I can still upload ;) | 04:11 |
| LaserJock | kyral: is the new version of deborphan you need the one in Debian sid or is it newer? | 04:12 |
| ajmitch | the debian version should be the only version :) | 04:13 |
| ajmitch | since 1.7.18 is in sid | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: oh, ok. I didn't know but I though that might be an issue | 04:13 |
| === ajmitch might do some uploads tonight to relieve stress :) | ||
| Kyral | and testing is 1.7.18 | 04:14 |
| ajmitch | testing is 1.7.17 | 04:14 |
| ajmitch | http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/deborphan.html | 04:14 |
| Kyral | whooops | 04:14 |
| ajmitch | unless that page is behind again | 04:14 |
| Kyral | I meant that ;P | 04:14 |
| ajmitch | which is quite possible :) | 04:14 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 04:15 |
| Kyral | So what is the version number on this one? | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | I think I've got about 10 packages of my own to get uploaded into sid | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | and countless others to sponsor | 04:15 |
| === ajmitch has fallen behind in the last few weeks | ||
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| Kyral | well if this PBuild works and it passes Lintian and Linda then it should be ready for upload tonight :D | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | you hope ;) | 04:25 |
| Kyral | Yah, I hope | 04:25 |
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| Kyral | how do I get rid of the "build-depends-without-arch-dep" error? | 05:09 |
| ajmitch | is the package Architecture: all ? | 05:09 |
| ajmitch | or arch: any? | 05:09 |
| Kyral | all | 05:10 |
| ajmitch | Build-Depends-Indep then | 05:10 |
| Kyral | Ah thanks | 05:10 |
| Kyral | that only leaves two more warnings from Lintain | 05:11 |
| Kyral | changelog-should-mention-nmu | 05:11 |
| ajmitch | ignore the NMU warning | 05:11 |
| Kyral | and | 05:11 |
| ajmitch | it's a debianism | 05:11 |
| Kyral | source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.1.0-0ubuntu1 | 05:11 |
| ajmitch | though you should make sure that Maintainer is set properly in debian/control | 05:11 |
| Kyral | I believe it is | 05:12 |
| Kyral | wait...dangit I put an extra space between my name and my email | 05:14 |
| ajmitch | :) | 05:14 |
| Kyral | Lintain checks out, Linda checks out | 05:14 |
| ajmitch | now to see if it gets past the MOTU review | 05:15 |
| === ajmitch gets out the knives | ||
| Kyral | If it doesn't I'll just fix it until it does :D | 05:15 |
| Kyral | Its not like I've been doing this for months | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 05:15 |
| Amaranth | http://rafb.net/paste/results/osx1y737.html <--ugly, ugly python code | 05:17 |
| Kyral | Uploaded to REVU | 05:17 |
| Kyral | have fun blasting it apart ajmitch ;P | 05:17 |
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| hub | I didn't follow | 05:33 |
| hub | that dapper drake been open? | 05:33 |
| hub | s/that/has/ | 05:33 |
| hub | I'll have a lot of time now | 05:34 |
| Amaranth | #ubuntu-devel says the topic will change when dapper opens | 05:34 |
| Amaranth | so i guess not | 05:34 |
| hub | ah well | 05:34 |
| hub | thanks | 05:35 |
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| tritium | I can't find irc logs of the meeting from the 18th | 06:44 |
| tritium | there's no -meeting log for that day, and the -motu log is empty on people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | 06:44 |
| Lathiat | i think someone is running a logbot | 06:44 |
| Lathiat | fabbione or something | 06:44 |
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| Lathiat | ah | 06:44 |
| tritium | yeah, thanks, but I think something's wrong with it | 06:45 |
| Lathiat | annoy fabbione i guess :) | 06:45 |
| tritium | heh | 06:46 |
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| ajmitch | and I've got my own log | 06:49 |
| tritium | Oh, thanks, ajmitch. I could not attend. I'm on business travel, and had a dinner meeting. | 06:49 |
| ajmitch | understandable :) | 06:49 |
| tritium | :) | 06:49 |
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| minghua | just a quick question - is REVU for NEW universe packages only, or all universe packages? | 07:16 |
| crimsun | NEW | 07:17 |
| minghua | crimsun: oh, thanks. I just see my debian package on REVU list, thus the question | 07:18 |
| minghua | the package in question is scim. freeflying, you may want to know this | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | people have been using it for posting fixes as well as NEW | 07:19 |
| crimsun | yeah, I've been recommending it as a stop-gap until dapper opens, too | 07:19 |
| minghua | ajmitch: oh I see, that makes sense | 07:20 |
| crimsun | geez, OOo2 final out yesterday, and already people asking for it | 07:20 |
| minghua | I used bugzilla (during the c++ transition) for fix though, never played with REVU :-) | 07:20 |
| minghua | I really should apply for a uploader on REVU | 07:21 |
| minghua | if only for my own packages | 07:21 |
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| pef | hello | 08:30 |
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| Burgundavia | \sh_away, fix your blog link please, you are spamming planet every few days | 08:35 |
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| lucas | hi | 09:22 |
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| lucas | hi | 12:18 |
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| zyga | hello lucas | 12:42 |
| lucas | I'm interested in feedback about "Thoughts about management of packages in universe" in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTURuby | 12:43 |
| lucas | it's basically my conclusions after yesterday's discussion here | 12:43 |
| zyga | checking | 12:43 |
| ajmitch | lucas: at UVF, nothing new is automatically imported | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | not just new upstream | 12:45 |
| lucas | ah | 12:45 |
| lucas | somebody said yesterday that if x.y-(z+1) releases, it gets imported | 12:46 |
| ajmitch | so if we have 1.2.3-1, debian has 1.2.3-9, we still have to ask for a manual sync, but it doesn't require a freeze exception | 12:46 |
| tseng | z.y = allowed | 12:46 |
| tseng | not imported | 12:46 |
| zyga | lucas: what about packages in ubuntu, not in debian | 12:46 |
| lucas | zyga: I think the main goal here is improve free software in general, and debian-based distributions in particular | 12:47 |
| lucas | having packages in ubuntu but not in debian sucks, and should only happen for very short period of time | 12:47 |
| tseng | you are spending more time talking about merges and syncs | 12:47 |
| tseng | than you are about ruby | 12:47 |
| zyga | lucas: okay so I've packaged alexandria and a lib it requires that is not in debian yet | 12:47 |
| tseng | every motu has to deal with these issues, its not specific to ruby team | 12:48 |
| === zyga does not know any debian ruby team | ||
| lucas | zyga: mail to pkg-ruby-extra@alioth.debian.org | 12:48 |
| lucas | tseng: I know | 12:48 |
| zyga | lucas: mail the source package? | 12:48 |
| lucas | zyga: a link to them | 12:48 |
| ajmitch | lucas: so don't stick it on a page that noone will see | 12:48 |
| zyga | lucas: since those are my first packages I'd prefer that someone user friendly first has a look | 12:48 |
| tseng | ajmitch: is there a breezy-changes alike for debian | 12:49 |
| lucas | from the top of the part: | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | tseng: hell yes | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | tseng: you get flooded | 12:49 |
| lucas | "By Lucas, feel free to edit or send comments. I put this here, *it might go elsewhere, but I dunno where. | 12:49 |
| zyga | I still don't have a pbuilder around and I'm generally unsure about the quality | 12:49 |
| lucas | tseng, ajmitch: I'm tired of your angry comments. | 12:49 |
| tseng | i am not angry, i am critical | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | haha | 12:49 |
| lucas | I chose to put it there because I thought people could complain if I put it elsewhere | 12:49 |
| tseng | there is a large difference | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | you think that was angry? ;) | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | tseng: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.changes.unstable/ | 12:50 |
| lucas | then, people complain because I put it on MOTURuby | 12:50 |
| lucas | zyga: try #debian-ruby@freenode | 12:50 |
| lucas | or more specifically paulvt@debian.org, who is my sponsor | 12:50 |
| tseng | MOTURuby could use a popcon sorted list | 12:51 |
| tseng | or as a subpage | 12:51 |
| tseng | certainly useful to any group of packages of that size | 12:51 |
| lucas | tseng: there's a list higher in the page with the command I used to generate it | 12:51 |
| tseng | yes, i am refering to it | 12:52 |
| lucas | ah, yes | 12:52 |
| lucas | we should create a motutools package | 12:52 |
| lucas | with all those scripts | 12:52 |
| lucas | however, the problem with that is that if ruby people do it, it will be in ruby, not python | 12:52 |
| ajmitch | majority of my scripts are bash, actually | 12:53 |
| lucas | the version comparison script might not be trivial to write in bash | 12:54 |
| lucas | if you want to parse the Packages file to get the versions | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | dpkg --compare-versions | 12:54 |
| lucas | ajmitch: no | 12:54 |
| lucas | I meant a list with 2 columns : version in debian, version in ubuntu | 12:54 |
| lucas | with colors etc | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | my output isn't pretty, but it works | 12:55 |
| lucas | how do you get the version in Debian from Ubuntu ? | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | by using the debian package list | 12:56 |
| lucas | you mean the Packages file ? | 12:56 |
| koke | iirc, there was some chat about that on last meeting | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | I could have done it using python-apt, but I found it just as easy to do it myself | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | koke: yeah | 12:56 |
| koke | it's not specific to ruby | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | I think I was talking about it as well | 12:56 |
| === ajmitch did it in python | ||
| ajmitch | but I could have done it with a shell script | 12:57 |
| koke | I think ruby team should worry about the BIG thing with Ruby nowadays | 12:57 |
| koke | how to handle rubygems | 12:57 |
| lucas | koke: there is a lot of work on this area in pkg-ruby-extra | 12:57 |
| lucas | (a debian team) | 12:57 |
| ajmitch | lucas: are you in the debian team? | 12:57 |
| lucas | yes | 12:57 |
| lucas | (sort of) | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | good | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | sort of? | 12:58 |
| Lathiat | man | 12:58 |
| Lathiat | my laptop cant run quake4 :( | 12:58 |
| zyga | Lathiat: :D | 12:58 |
| Lathiat | just tried it, chugs like a mofo | 12:58 |
| Lathiat | probably the ram | 12:58 |
| lucas | pkg-ruby-extra is still being created | 12:58 |
| Lathiat | only 256M in this | 12:58 |
| zyga | Lathiat: where did you get quake4 packs | 12:58 |
| koke | lucas: then they should advertise that more on the website | 12:58 |
| koke | :) | 12:58 |
| Lathiat | zyga: somewhere? ;p | 12:58 |
| lucas | koke: it's not public yet | 12:58 |
| lucas | koke: there a common position | 12:59 |
| lucas | but we'll try to get wider acceptance of it | 12:59 |
| zyga | Lathiat: cannot remember, eh ;-) | 12:59 |
| koke | lucas: where can I read something more about that? lists archives mybe? | 12:59 |
| Lathiat | zyga: yeh i must have bougth it last week ;p | 12:59 |
| zyga | Q4 is out already? | 01:00 |
| lucas | koke: 1 min | 01:00 |
| koke | http://pkg-ruby-extras.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/wiki/index.cgi?RubyGems | 01:01 |
| koke | :) | 01:01 |
| lucas | more http://pkg-ruby-extras.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/wiki/index.cgi?RubyGemsProposal | 01:01 |
| lucas | RubyGems is more like the discussion page. RubyGemsProposal is the summary | 01:02 |
| lucas | why don't we get an ubuntu-motu mailing list ? | 01:04 |
| crimsun | issue raised and rejected already | 01:05 |
| lucas | I can't find the time to follow ubuntu-devel | 01:05 |
| === ajmitch find ubuntu-devel to be a rather quiet list | ||
| crimsun | yeah, compared to debian-* it's pretty tame | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | maybe that's because I have > 2000 unread on debian-devel | 01:05 |
| lucas | that's not the problem | 01:05 |
| === lucas has better things to do than trying to find what's relevant for his issues ;) | ||
| koke | ajmitch: or maybe becasu ubuntu-devel folder is quite close to breezy-changes one ;9 | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | breezy-changes was easy to read through ;) | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | mark all as read.. | 01:06 |
| koke | :D | 01:06 |
| tseng | exactly | 01:06 |
| lucas | ajmitch: if I want to move the "Thoughts about management of packages in universe" to somewhere else | 01:07 |
| tseng | until something broke | 01:07 |
| tseng | and you wondered who to blame | 01:07 |
| lucas | where should I move it ? | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | lucas: you could put it on a new wiki page if you want, and link to it from a MOTU page | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | I don't know where you might want it | 01:07 |
| lucas | mmh | 01:07 |
| lucas | I'll discuss this with ogra and dholback | 01:07 |
| lucas | dholbach | 01:08 |
| ogra | <lucas> having packages in ubuntu but not in debian sucks, and should only happen for very short period of time | 01:10 |
| ogra | ?? | 01:10 |
| ogra | if we want something in, we'll package it... | 01:10 |
| ogra | if debian doesnt adopt it, thats not our prob | 01:10 |
| lucas | please #include <context> | 01:11 |
| lucas | anyway | 01:11 |
| lucas | forget about this | 01:11 |
| === zyga now understands gems | ||
| lucas | zyga: the wiki page was helpful ? | 01:11 |
| ogra | our main goal is to improve ubuntu, not "debian based distros" | 01:11 |
| zyga | lucas: quite | 01:12 |
| zyga | lucas: seems a little like appdirs but more convulse | 01:12 |
| zyga | the worst worst thing is require_gem | 01:12 |
| ogra | its totally up to debian if it wants packages we packaged | 01:12 |
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| zyga | it's like m$ office install on demand thing | 01:12 |
| lucas | ogra: is this the official point of view of ubuntu ? | 01:12 |
| ogra | yes | 01:12 |
| lucas | ok | 01:12 |
| zyga | it has its uses but is very difficult to join with debian packaging system | 01:12 |
| ogra | lucas, all we can do is offer,if debian takes it its fine | 01:12 |
| zyga | anyone: can require_gem be hacked to invoke external command? | 01:12 |
| zyga | anyone: so require_gem foo will apt-get install foo-rubygem | 01:13 |
| ogra | lucas, but we cant force anyone | 01:13 |
| lucas | ogra: agreed. | 01:13 |
| koke | zyga: but that needs privilieges | 01:13 |
| ogra | so there will always be an amount of packages we have only in ubuntu | 01:13 |
| zyga | koke: eh, true | 01:13 |
| zyga | koke: OTOH | 01:14 |
| ogra | and this amount rises with every release, you cant do anything aginst it | 01:14 |
| zyga | gksudo apt-get install ... ? | 01:14 |
| ajmitch | hi ogra :) | 01:14 |
| lucas | ogra: yes, but it would be better to keep it low | 01:14 |
| zyga | and hack gksudo to provide optional explaination box :) | 01:14 |
| koke | zyga: what if no X? :) | 01:14 |
| zyga | koke: then sensible-sudo | 01:14 |
| ogra | lucas, why ? if there is a user demand, i'll happily package everything... | 01:14 |
| zyga | I know it doesn't exist | 01:14 |
| ogra | its up to debian if it is kept low, not up to us | 01:15 |
| zyga | eh :) | 01:15 |
| lucas | ogra: if there's a user demand, it's strange there isn't the same user demand in debian | 01:15 |
| zyga | this is a minefield | 01:15 |
| koke | zyga: an option could be to include the name of the package and instructions to install it in the genereated exception message | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | lucas: our responsibilities as a community are to our users, not just to debian | 01:15 |
| ogra | lucas, thats debians prob then | 01:15 |
| koke | I wouldn't touch more than that | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | lucas: although individuals are welcome & encouraged to get things into debian if they wish | 01:15 |
| koke | zyga: and worst... if there's no terminal ?? | 01:16 |
| ogra | our responsibilitys are only in ubuntu... the responsibilitys for debian are for DDs | 01:16 |
| koke | think in... mod_ruby or cgis | 01:16 |
| zyga | koke: okay there is no way this can work ;-) | 01:16 |
| koke | :D | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | which quite a few people do - they learn packaging here, get things packaged in ubuntu, and then choose to get the packages into debian | 01:16 |
| zyga | dpkg is unable to install stuff as user | 01:16 |
| zyga | and it's not going to be really | 01:16 |
| lucas | koke,zyga: rubygems is broken by design. hacking it in broken ways is not a good idea | 01:16 |
| zyga | lucas: I don't concider that broken, just very very different | 01:17 |
| koke | lucas: what's wrong in it | 01:17 |
| zyga | I'd love to have install on demand in linux that works | 01:17 |
| lucas | zyga: mixing packaging with source code is broken | 01:17 |
| koke | I don't like gems too, but I think is just a different aproach | 01:17 |
| zyga | and other things that exist on other platforms | 01:17 |
| koke | more like rpm | 01:17 |
| ogra | indeed every package debian adopts makes our workload lower, but we're not having the target to improve all debian based distros, as progeny doesnt have it or knoppix or linspire | 01:17 |
| zyga | koke: like rpm?!! | 01:17 |
| lucas | koke: no, rpm packagers have raised exactly the same issues | 01:18 |
| zyga | a pure-ruby distro could use gems I guess | 01:18 |
| zyga | but then again thats irrelevant to us | 01:18 |
| lucas | zyga: exactly | 01:18 |
| zyga | how does ruby locate gems at runtime | 01:18 |
| zyga | hardcoded gems directory? | 01:18 |
| koke | I just meant the gem command reminds me to the rpm command :) | 01:19 |
| lucas | zyga: it doesn't | 01:19 |
| === ajmitch likes to have all his packages in both ubuntu & debian :) | ||
| lucas | the require_gem command does | 01:19 |
| zyga | hmm | 01:19 |
| zyga | so how does it look stuff up? | 01:19 |
| zyga | and another question, can gems contain non-ruby code? | 01:19 |
| lucas | ogra: I like ajmitch's POV, I think yours is a bit egoist. anyway, it's not important here | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | lucas: my POV is biased as well since I'm a DD | 01:20 |
| zyga | I agree with ogra | 01:20 |
| zyga | because: | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | and so I can upload to both distros | 01:20 |
| zyga | 1) if we get it right debian adopts it | 01:20 |
| zyga | 2) if we get it wrong there is no point in trying to force it | 01:20 |
| lucas | zyga: all gems install in the same place, so it's easy to find packages | 01:21 |
| zyga | lucas: so, hardcoded | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | I spent a long time working on debian that I'm not going to just abandon now | 01:21 |
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| ogra | lucas, why is it egoistic, i work for ubuntu and not for debian... no other distro has the focus to "improve all debian based distros" | 01:21 |
| zyga | ogra: heh, apart from...debian | 01:21 |
| ogra | yes | 01:21 |
| zyga | anyway let's drop debian + ubuntu issue now | 01:22 |
| zyga | let's think of a way to make this work | 01:22 |
| zyga | lucas: can gems contain non-ruby code? | 01:22 |
| koke | yes, afaik | 01:22 |
| ogra | lucas, but we do a lot more than other distros, linspire doesnt feed back anything for example... xandros as well... so its a bit mean to say i'm egoistic | 01:22 |
| zyga | okay is there any way to package non-ruby parts without the ruby parts? | 01:22 |
| lucas | zyga: gems can contain non-ruby code, they get compiled on install-time, so it requires a compiler | 01:22 |
| zyga | lucas: that's a no option IMHO | 01:23 |
| lucas | ogra: I was asked to contribute to MOTURuby, not the ruby team in linspire | 01:23 |
| zyga | compiling sucks, this is not gentoo | 01:23 |
| lucas | ogra: I prefer to contribute to project who want to improve free software as a whole | 01:23 |
| zyga | ogra, lucas: please stop arguing this is not helping to find the right thing to do | 01:23 |
| lucas | ogra: not just distribution #123 | 01:23 |
| ogra | lucas, but you say that if i want to improve the distro i put work in that is egoistic | 01:24 |
| zyga | say guys, maybe some clubs to start bashing each other on the head? | 01:24 |
| === ajmitch knows that ogra puts in a *lot* of hard work to improve ubuntu | ||
| lucas | zyga: this is not bashing, just differences in POV | 01:24 |
| ogra | lucas, we want to improve free software but we dont want to improve "all debian based distros" thats up to the other distros to care for | 01:24 |
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| zyga | okay so can we stop talking about POV and start talking about thinking of a way to package ruby right? | 01:25 |
| lucas | zyga: can we switch the rubygems stuff to #debian-ruby ? | 01:25 |
| ogra | why not #ubuntu-ruby ? | 01:26 |
| zyga | lucas: we can probably go to #rubygems-packaging-without-install-time-compile | 01:26 |
| lucas | because it doesn't exist ? | 01:26 |
| ogra | make it exist, so we can point other intrested users there | 01:26 |
| zyga | I don't care about ubuntu vs debian I care about ruby, please | 01:26 |
| zyga | :) | 01:26 |
| lucas | ogra: I'm not interested. | 01:26 |
| lucas | ogra: do it, if you want | 01:26 |
| zyga | okay guys | 01:27 |
| zyga | please join #zk-ruby | 01:27 |
| zyga | and dont talk about debian and ubuntu | 01:28 |
| zyga | only about dpkg and ruby | 01:28 |
| ogra | zyga, thats not very helpful... if you want to be the ubuntu ruby team do as all other ubuntu team do | 01:28 |
| ogra | *teams | 01:28 |
| zyga | ogra: I want to resolve technical issues first | 01:28 |
| zyga | ogra: communication issues later | 01:28 |
| koke | please #debian-ruby | 01:28 |
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| zyga | ogra: so what do yu suggest? | 01:29 |
| koke | it makes more sense to discuss all together with people who has been thinking about it for some months | 01:29 |
| zyga | true | 01:29 |
| zyga | okay can we all agree to go to debian-ruby and talk about technical issues? | 01:30 |
| ogra | *sigh* | 01:30 |
| ogra | do as you like | 01:30 |
| ogra | i have work to do | 01:30 |
| koke | I'm already there :) | 01:30 |
| zyga | okay | 01:30 |
| Treenaks | argh, where's dholbach when you need him :) | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | at berlinux, iirc :) | 01:31 |
| ogra | Treenaks, berlinux | 01:31 |
| ogra | presenting ubuntu and edubuntu | 01:31 |
| Treenaks | ogra: coolness | 01:32 |
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| lucas | how do I send a mail to all members of a launchpad team ? | 01:54 |
| Kyral | Mornin'.... | 01:56 |
| koke | lucas: I think there's no way to do dat | 01:59 |
| koke | that | 01:59 |
| lucas | ok | 01:59 |
| lucas | I'll file a wishlist bug | 02:00 |
| Kyral | hmm, UBZ is gonna start at like 9 AM | 02:02 |
| Kyral | and it takes ~ 2 1/2 hours to get to Montreal from Clarkson... | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | yes, same start time each day | 02:02 |
| Kyral | which means I'm gonna have to leave at about 6:30 AM to get there in time | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | and if it's like UDU, it'll run till 9pm or later each day :) | 02:02 |
| Kyral | which means I have to get up at 6 AM... | 02:03 |
| Kyral | damn I haven't done that since High School.... | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | night all | 02:03 |
| Treenaks | Luckily my hostel seems to be close to the hotel | 02:03 |
| Kyral | Yah...getting a hotel room might be a good idea... | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | haha | 02:05 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: night | 02:05 |
| Kyral | It should end by 5 | 02:06 |
| Lathiat | its a hacker conference | 02:06 |
| Lathiat | it wont | 02:06 |
| Lathiat | ;p | 02:06 |
| Kyral | good point | 02:06 |
| Kyral | I don't mind that | 02:06 |
| Lathiat | cept when your 2.5hours away? ;p | 02:06 |
| Kyral | its having to get up at 6 AM to make it by 9 that bugs me | 02:06 |
| Lathiat | steal someones floor or something :) | 02:06 |
| Kyral | Dude I've been up to 4 AM playing HALO | 02:06 |
| Lathiat | i've been up to 6am hacking code and then left for uni | 02:07 |
| Lathiat | and came back at 5p | 02:07 |
| Lathiat | m | 02:07 |
| Lathiat | i think that was the most awake day at uni i ever hard | 02:07 |
| Lathiat | brain probably pumping me lots of drugs | 02:07 |
| Kyral | lol | 02:09 |
| Kyral | I'm thinking I'm bringin a notebook + digicam | 02:09 |
| === zyga thinks that gems actually get it right | ||
| Kyral | eh? | 02:10 |
| === zyga is thinking aloud | ||
| Kyral | ah | 02:11 |
| Kyral | Rock on | 02:11 |
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| hub | Kyral: clarkson? where is that? | 02:18 |
| hub | Lathiat: it is a hacker conference, people drink beer | 02:19 |
| hub | so it is a bad idea to drive | 02:19 |
| Lathiat | heh | 02:19 |
| Lathiat | too true | 02:20 |
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| Lathiat | i wouldnt know *ah hrmm* | 02:20 |
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| hub | wtf, it is damn too early for me | 02:20 |
| Kyral | hub: Checkout www.clarkson.edu | 02:24 |
| Kyral | I need to get going if I | 02:24 |
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| hub | ah, it is on the other side. no womder why I don't know | 02:24 |
| Kyral | am gonna get breakfast in time to get to class. Damnit answering that question on the Forums took longer than I could give it | 02:24 |
| hub | Kyral: 2.5 hours + the border crossing | 02:24 |
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| Kyral | Come visit sometime. The COSI (cosi.clarkson.edu) would be glad to have a guest | 02:25 |
| Kyral | but CYA! | 02:25 |
| hub | Kyral: can't enter y our country | 02:25 |
| Kyral | y not? | 02:25 |
| Kyral | yanno what tell me later CLASS | 02:25 |
| Kyral | leave it in a PMSG | 02:26 |
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| Firetech | hmm, when running llxdoom (doomlegacy-x11), I get the following error when it tries to play sound (after that it crashes): | 02:34 |
| Firetech | "/usr/bin/llsndserv: relocation error: /usr/bin/llsndserv: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference" | 02:34 |
| Firetech | running breezy | 02:34 |
| Firetech | llsndserv is part of doomlegacy-x11 | 02:34 |
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| lucas | http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motucompareversion.html | 03:51 |
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| lucas | I have a meeting, so I'll check comments later | 03:52 |
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| freeflying | why don't we make grub perform more beautifuly with patch from suse | 04:29 |
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| dfarning | Hey a new Ubuntu guy here, I am interested on build the spell checking, hyphenation pattern s | 05:56 |
| dfarning | and thesaurus packages for OOo2. | 05:56 |
| dfarning | Who should I contact about that? | 05:56 |
| ogra | dfarning, doko | 05:59 |
| ogra | dfarning, but he's busy on a fair today | 06:00 |
| dfarning | Is it best to email him? | 06:00 |
| ogra | yup | 06:06 |
| dfarning | ogra, thanks. | 06:10 |
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| LaserJock | man, do you guys have any tips for reducing eyestrain, my eyes are killing me? | 06:52 |
| poningru | stop looking at the comp screen? | 06:52 |
| jamessan|work | make sure your monitor's refresh rate is higher than 60Hz (if it's a CRT) | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | poningru: not what fun would that be ;-) | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | jamessan|work: it is a CRT and I think it is at 75Hz, maybe it's my fonts | 06:54 |
| poningru | hehe | 06:54 |
| poningru | how old is your crt? | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | maybe 2 or 3 years | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | it's a Dell 19" that I got when I bought a computer from them | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | maybe it's the fontsize | 06:57 |
| Lathiat | LaserJock: apt-get install workrave | 07:00 |
| Lathiat | its for RSI but helps eyes too. :) | 07:00 |
| jamessan|work | heh | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | Lathiat: does it work? I might have to try that. Of course, I could just do so real life work too, but who want's to do that ;-) | 07:03 |
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| Lathiat | LaserJock: yeh | 07:04 |
| Lathiat | LaserJock: i mean you coudl always drop to a console and kill it | 07:04 |
| Lathiat | LaserJock: but RESIST THE URGE :) | 07:04 |
| Lathiat | it gives you a postpone time if your in the middle of something | 07:04 |
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| vuntz | so | 08:15 |
| vuntz | is anyone working on a sysprof package? | 08:15 |
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| xhaker | shouldn't dholbach keep repackage the tango icon theme frequently? | 08:32 |
| xhaker | s/keep/"" | 08:33 |
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| crimsun | xhaker: he's probably tied for time, and Dapper isn't open yet | 08:40 |
| xhaker | crimsun, so dapper needs to open first? | 08:42 |
| crimsun | xhaker: for the packages to be officially updated in Ubuntu, yes | 08:42 |
| xhaker | thanks for the info then :) | 08:42 |
| crimsun | xhaker: I don't know if he keeps an unofficial repo | 08:42 |
| xhaker | i thought that it could be updated since it's not in main | 08:43 |
| crimsun | nope, the entire pool freezes once a release goes stable | 08:45 |
| crimsun | only updates are in -security and -updates | 08:45 |
| crimsun | (bugfix-related) | 08:46 |
| xhaker | great | 08:46 |
| xhaker | learned something today already | 08:46 |
| xhaker | well. i kinda knew it.. but thought universe was an exception | 08:46 |
| crimsun | nope. In fact, we're going to be a lot more strict about upstream version freeze for Dapper due to the longer support period. | 08:47 |
| crimsun | hey \sh | 08:47 |
| \sh | *yawn* | 08:48 |
| \sh | evening crimsun | 08:48 |
| xhaker | crimsun, i've been reading about that in the list | 08:51 |
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| xhaker | \sh, i'm developing some hatred towards your blog software | 08:53 |
| xhaker | infact i don't know if it is the culprit.. but the planet.ubuntu.com has all your old blogging in the front :S | 08:54 |
| xhaker | usually i say | 08:55 |
| \sh | xhaker: pls thank planet...I never touched my blog | 08:55 |
| \sh | not even a comment came in.... | 08:56 |
| \sh | I hate planet too... | 08:56 |
| \sh | jdub should switch to s9y planet implementation | 08:56 |
| \sh | which works (tm) | 08:56 |
| xhaker | thats what i thought.. it seems to happen in refreshes | 08:56 |
| \sh | xhaker: well..I just checked everything...but not even on timestamp is changed from one day to another...and planet hickuped as always | 08:57 |
| \sh | a mess | 08:57 |
| xhaker | argh.. i always have to pass through that bollywood pictures to check new posts :P | 08:57 |
| \sh | s/on/one | 08:57 |
| \sh | hehehe | 08:57 |
| \sh | sry for that...it's really not my fault | 08:57 |
| xhaker | i wonder if it doesn't mess in the Rss | 08:58 |
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| xhaker | RSS | 08:58 |
| xhaker | :P | 08:58 |
| \sh | xhaker: nope...the rss is generated dynamically...and the entries are out of a mysql...no change | 08:58 |
| \sh | the timestamps are per article...and it's set when it was posted | 08:59 |
| \sh | xhaker: there are other planet implementations...and they don't mess around | 08:59 |
| xhaker | i wonder what it is that messes this one tho | 09:00 |
| \sh | xhaker: planet works like this | 09:00 |
| \sh | xhaker: it fetches the feeds and build a timestamp database internally...when it sees, that he had this entry, with the same timestamp, he disregard the entry and check for the newer ones. | 09:01 |
| \sh | xhaker: I don't know what happens with my rss or any other s9y blogs rss | 09:01 |
| \sh | s9y devs were asking to fix this bug | 09:02 |
| \sh | but there is nothing to fix in s9y | 09:02 |
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| herve | hello | 09:02 |
| xhaker | silly question.. are the timestamps in the same format in both? | 09:02 |
| crimsun | hi herve | 09:02 |
| \sh | xhaker: the timestamps are standardized | 09:03 |
| xhaker | just thought it could be misdetecting mm/dd/yyyy dd/mm/yyyy or something | 09:04 |
| \sh | xhaker: <pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:42:59 +0200</pubDate> this is the timestamp for an article in rss2 | 09:05 |
| xhaker | <pubDate> | 09:05 |
| xhaker | was seeing that now :P | 09:05 |
| xhaker | haha.. managed to crash firefox scrolling the rss2 | 09:07 |
| herve | this is some HTML standard, no? | 09:07 |
| herve | maybe ISO | 09:07 |
| \sh | xhaker: hmm..no problems here | 09:09 |
| xhaker | i usually have no problems too | 09:09 |
| xhaker | don't bother :P | 09:10 |
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| \sh | laters | 09:17 |
| zyga | \sh_away: cheers | 09:36 |
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| slomo | \sh_away: do you know how the progress with non-ascii chars and pyicq-t is? | 09:45 |
| herve | slomo: unicode problems in Python? | 10:01 |
| slomo | herve: don't know... messages coming from icq users are iso8859-1 and must be utf8... but they were working on it afaik | 10:07 |
| herve | seems pretty easy | 10:08 |
| slomo | if it was easy they would have fixed it already ;) | 10:09 |
| herve | from what you said, it's a matter of " message.decode('iso-8859-1').encode('utf-8') | 10:10 |
| herve | although any Python program is supposed to deal with Unicode internally | 10:10 |
| slomo | it is maybe a bit more difficult... maybe it's not always iso-8859-1 but can be different for every user and no one knows how to know what it is or whatever... | 10:12 |
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| herve | probably yes | 10:13 |
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| mdke | have you guys seen newton (.sf.net)? | 11:03 |
| mdke | it really rocks, and needs to go into universe :) | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | yet another wiki? :) | 11:04 |
| mdke | it is a gnome dock app personal wiki | 11:04 |
| ajmitch | imho the sid packages they have should go into debian | 11:04 |
| mdke | not a server | 11:04 |
| ajmitch | and we should get them from there | 11:04 |
| mdke | probably | 11:05 |
| mdke | apparently the app is written by an Ubuntu user :) | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | right | 11:05 |
| mdke | damn it is a nice app | 11:06 |
| mdke | so fast | 11:06 |
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| senecastudent | anyone in here? | 11:23 |
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| herve | youngs and patience... | 11:24 |
| herve | :-) | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | haha | 11:25 |
| sivang | whos that user who did that app? | 11:27 |
| herve | The name of Dennis reminds me someone | 11:31 |
| trulux | hey sivang | 11:39 |
| sivang | hey trulux | 11:43 |
| sivang | I wonder if sf.net has screenshots | 11:44 |
| mdke | sure | 11:44 |
| mdke | loads of projects on sf.net have screenshots | 11:44 |
| herve | many ones right on newton.sf.net | 11:46 |
| trulux | sivang: how are going things over there? | 11:48 |
| sivang | trulux: fine, however I'm hitting bed now. talk to you tommorow? | 11:53 |
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| herve | night all | 11:54 |
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| trulux | sivang: sure, sleep well! | 12:02 |
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