[12:02] the mib path is set wrong [12:03] have you filed a bug ? [12:03] no, BTS makes my bloodpressure go up [12:03] when is a web interface not a web interface? [12:05] tseng: there's no such bug in debian. it would be great if you could file one [12:05] yes im aware, i searched for it [12:05] there are actually no bugs for libsnmp-ruby last i checked [12:05] then don't expect this to get fixed :-) [12:05] which is funny because its relatively useless with the bug [12:05] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=330196 [12:05] there's this bug [12:06] yes that [12:06] seems this package is in bad shape [12:06] ah ok [12:06] very good. [12:06] see, the bug is in debian's BTS, not ubuntu's [12:06] uh [12:06] an example of my theory about ubuntu users being less prone to file bug reports [12:07] which is obviously where i looked for it [12:07] i file bugs to gnome [12:07] debian bugtracker is not usable [12:07] you can submit by mail [12:08] if your MUA allows to change some headers [12:08] *I* cant be arsed to submit debian bugs [12:08] its no wonder no one else can [12:12] anyway [12:12] if this bug report is the same bug as yours, and you have more info, just mail xxxxxx@bugs.debian.org [12:14] id rather make a patch [12:14] and give it to you === bddebian2 [n=bddebian@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:15] yay, another bddebian [12:15] the previous version worked [12:15] so It's probably just a packaging bug [12:15] I'll ping the maintainer [12:15] you can ping him with a patch [12:16] /usr/share/doc/libsnmp-ruby1.8/yaml/ is the right path [12:16] 2 minutes [12:16] good night guys === bddebian2 [n=bddebian@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] tseng: ok === bddebian3 [n=bddebian@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian2 [n=bddebian@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@d213-103-81-90.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:23] re [12:23] sorry [12:23] killed X by mistake :-) [12:24] hiya bddebian [12:24] tseng: you have a patch or a better analysis of the bug ? [12:24] yes [12:24] http://tseng.ath.cx/snmp-ruby-path.diff [12:25] the debian package insists on diverting the mibs [12:25] is this url stable, or should I copy the patch ? [12:25] its stable [12:25] thanks for having a look [12:26] np [12:26] i will mail it to the bts [12:27] ok, as you want [12:27] just mail 330196@bugs.debian.org [12:29] sent [12:29] ok [12:29] the mail queue is processed every 15 minutes I think [12:29] you'll receive a confirmation that your info was received [12:30] exciting === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-218.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] heh [12:30] poor tseng [12:31] tsss [12:32] OMG I <3 Beagle [12:33] good night [12:33] Heya LaserJock [12:34] Anyone know how often Beagle re-indexes? [12:35] good, its there [12:35] Kyral: um [12:35] Kyral: constantly [12:35] it uses inotify to find out when files change [12:35] I mean I love this thing, but I typed in "int main()" and it didn't pick up on a file === bddebian2 [n=bddebian@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] Kyral: you'll know it's working when your system starts to swap. ;p [12:36] SYSTEM i686 Ubuntu (Debian) GNU/Linux, Kernel 2.6.13.4-GNUGenerationCustom, LIBC 2.3.5, GNU Bash Shell | CPU AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2700+, 2167Mhz, 256KB Cache, 4339 BMIPs | MEM 250/500MB RAM Used, 2/1333MB Swap Used | STORAGE 4.7GB ReiserFS, 6.5GB Ext3, 9.4GB ReiserFS, 10MB TmpFS, 154GB ReiserFS, 251MB TmpFS, 266GB ReiserFS, 603MB ISO9660 | STATS Uptime 1.19d, Users 1(1), Procs 88(51797), Load 0.20 | X11 1280x1024x24bit | http://auk [12:36] what swapping ;P === tritium [n=michael@12.104.131.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] bddebian2: I got my gpg key signed yesterday. I was quite excited because there were only 2 people in my area that were in the strong set (according to biglumber) [12:45] Nice [12:46] No one has signed my key [12:46] I hope to change that at UBZ ;P [12:46] Kyral: that would be the place :) [12:47] I'm not going to UBZ unfortunately [12:50] I went to visit Mithrandir and got my key signed, that was the last argument for making me a member and MOTU really ;-) [12:50] lol [12:51] was really fun :-). I still miss Norway. === ajmitch got his key signed by the debian gnu/hurd cd packager ;) [12:53] Hey mitch will you sign my key at UBZ? [12:53] maybe [12:54] you've got a chance if you bring government-issued photo ID [12:55] Does a Learners Permit count? [12:55] maybe [12:55] I can't really say, not having seen one :P [12:56] Think Trainee Drivers License [12:56] (Yes I'm 20 and I don't have a Drivers License) === ajmitch is 23 & doesn't have one :P [12:57] but that's mainly because I live < 10 min walk from work [12:57] Kyral: does it have a photo? is it government issued? does it have name, dob ? [12:57] his name is andrew btw [12:58] Yah. It says in BIG letters "NEW YORK STATE" at the top ;P [12:58] tseng: I'm used to it by now [12:58] damn thats an old pic. No wonder, it was issued in 02 [12:58] Kyral: http://librarian.launchpad.net/942825/942858/vm.debdiff has wrong version [12:58] I gotta get a new one next year it seems ;P [12:59] eh? [12:59] should be -4ubuntu1 [12:59] not -5 === Kyral falls down [12:59] I'll redo it [12:59] thanks [12:59] Means I'll have to redownload the sourcecode and redo the patch... [01:00] does it? [01:00] I [01:00] fix the changelog [01:00] yah I tend to delete source packages when I'm done [01:00] oh good one [01:00] unless they are my personal projects [01:01] I'm trying to remember if I got that from Sid or not... [01:01] bbl, lunchtime [01:03] Well, it looks like it doesn't matter [01:03] Sid has a new version anyway [01:04] Should I patch the Breezy version or the Sid version... [01:05] aww hell I'll patch both and ask mitch which I should upload [01:10] hey \sh [01:11] <\sh> re [01:11] Looks like I made a versioning blunder on one of my patchs :/ [01:14] fixed...man don't I feel like an idiot [01:16] Kyral: well look at it this way, what if it had gotten uploaded to main or something. I could have been worse [01:17] good point [01:20] does anybody know what happens to subscriptions when a wikipage is renamed? [01:23] LaserJock: interesting quesiton [01:23] I was wanting to rename some MOTU wikipages but I don't want to destroy subscriptions that are already in place [01:24] hey sivang [01:26] Okay homework time... [01:26] hey Kyral ! [01:26] Kyral: how is it going? [01:26] Calc2 Homework.... [01:26] I'll tell you after I finish [01:30] calc2, I think I disliked that more than calc1 or calc3 [01:30] In fact I don't think I liked it much at all ;-) [01:31] of course I'm a chemist so that's not a big suprise [01:31] what about physics? [01:31] did you love that? [01:32] yeah, physics was better [01:32] figures. pchem is a good one with lots of yummy math. [01:32] crimsun: yeah, I'm a pchemist so I had to do the math [01:32] rockin' [01:33] I'm in my 4th year of my Phd and I can't remember much of calc2 [01:33] but it wasn't pretty [01:33] we just approximate anyhow :p [01:34] no kidding [01:34] I sometimes wonder why I had to do all the math classes when all I ever do is an approximation ;-) [01:34] :-) [01:35] <\sh> k..good night...# [01:35] Quantum, now there is some wierd stuff [01:37] student:"hmm, all I am getting is imaginary numbers." Prof: "just square it and it becomes real." === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Trashcan [n=matt@ip70-176-253-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] haha [01:41] that's why I just stick to my lasers and let the physicists handle the "real" math [01:45] connection problems solved :) [01:45] sorry for the 200 or so join/quits earlier [01:45] great, that was definately interesting [01:46] I thought your computer had ADD or something [01:46] hehe [01:46] must have been my ISP. Everything was going haywire :( === hubW is now known as hub [01:55] gotta go home, cya all === lucas [n=lucas@d213-103-81-90.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] hi [02:01] tseng: still here ? [02:06] ogra: here ? === StoneTable [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-072-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Diablo_D3 [i=diablod3@pool-70-105-255-181.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] hey all [02:33] does kubuntu have its own channel by any chance? [02:33] Diablo_D3: #kubuntu [02:34] this might be interesting for people in here too: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/kdegraphics/+bug/3437 === Diablo_D3 [i=diablod3@pool-70-105-255-181.port.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin_ant [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] Calc SUCKS === Trashcan [n=matt@ip70-176-253-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Trashcan [n=matt@ip70-176-253-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Trashcan [n=matt@ip70-176-253-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@p5487FBEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dfarning [n=dfarning@ppp-70-226-140-33.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=icechat5@ppp-69-239-137-155.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NiKo_ [n=Nico@201.250.168.209] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TiMiDo [n=deb@unaffiliated/timido] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] hey people [03:33] hi [03:33] wuz up LaserJock [03:33] not much, homework mostly [03:38] TiMiDo: how about you? [03:38] here, dude looking at bugs, and writting some codes, [03:38] and i want to be a motu (: [03:39] same here pretty much [03:39] oh nice [03:39] are you an Ubuntu member yet? [03:40] not really are you? [03:40] I'm trying for it :D [03:40] interesting [03:40] no, not yet [03:40] oh [03:40] what you're doing for ubuntu LaserJock? [03:40] Most of my involvement has come through UbuntuForums.... [03:40] oh nice [03:40] well, right now I am working on the MOTU wiki and I have been trying to do bugfixes and [03:41] I did some on the FTBFS and UniverseUnmetDeps [03:41] oh nice, [03:42] why the heck is SourceForge being slow? [03:42] this shoudl come as no suprise === chihau [n=chihau@200.54.132.71] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:45] TiMiDo: are you documenting your work on the wiki? [03:46] dangit, dholbach got to the Deskbar Applet...I thought I was gonna have an easy compile [03:46] Kyral: all the easy ones are taken ;-) [03:46] NOW you tell me [03:47] well, I don't know, but that is what I would assume [03:47] since that is the way it works in life [03:48] Hey if something I think should be in Universe already has a debpack, what should I do? [03:49] but it isn't in Debian? [03:49] nope, isn't in Debian [03:49] Author made the Debpack themselves [03:50] source? [03:50] Its available [03:50] I mean a debian source package [03:50] nope [03:51] its a debpack or a source tarball [03:52] well, I suppose you could make a debian source from the tarball or ask the author for it but I don't think just the binary .deb is going to do [03:52] No prob [03:52] I don't know though, any MOTU around [03:52] this should be easy :D [03:52] Thing is a frontend to Deborphan :D [03:52] Which I love :D [03:52] cool === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354977pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:59] ask the author for the diff.gz [04:00] you obviously have access to the orig.tar.gz, since you have access to the source tarball :-) [04:01] Can't I just build it myself? [04:02] if you really really want [04:02] but it's duplication of effort [04:02] It'll feel good to see a clean compile for once ;P [04:03] yeah, and packaging does help you learn [04:03] I think my record is 10 min from grabbing the source tarball to having a package ready for upload [04:03] lol [04:03] nice :D [04:03] and in the archive < 1 hour later [04:03] wow, that seems fast [04:04] it was a simple package [04:04] and I've seen so many packages now === ajmitch has to get it into debian, still [04:05] maybe I should do that this weekend [04:09] Whoa, this is going to force a new version of DebOrphan into Ubuntu... [04:10] well we're going to get the latest from sid anyway [04:10] okay, so its not a problem then I take it? [04:10] not particularly [04:10] okay [04:11] as soon as dapper is open & autosyncs begin, it's open season for us [04:11] I can't wait [04:11] neither can we :P [04:11] at least I can still upload ;) [04:12] kyral: is the new version of deborphan you need the one in Debian sid or is it newer? [04:13] the debian version should be the only version :) [04:13] since 1.7.18 is in sid [04:13] ajmitch: oh, ok. I didn't know but I though that might be an issue === ajmitch might do some uploads tonight to relieve stress :) [04:14] and testing is 1.7.18 [04:14] testing is 1.7.17 [04:14] http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/deborphan.html [04:14] whooops [04:14] unless that page is behind again [04:14] I meant that ;P [04:14] which is quite possible :) [04:15] sigh [04:15] So what is the version number on this one? [04:15] I think I've got about 10 packages of my own to get uploaded into sid [04:15] and countless others to sponsor === ajmitch has fallen behind in the last few weeks === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin_ant [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] well if this PBuild works and it passes Lintian and Linda then it should be ready for upload tonight :D [04:25] you hope ;) [04:25] Yah, I hope === Amaranth [i=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Trashcan [n=matt@ip70-176-253-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Trashcan [n=matt@ip70-176-253-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin_ant [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TiMiDo [n=ubuntu@unaffiliated/timido] has joined #ubuntu-motu === odie5533 [n=odie5533@c-67-173-60-105.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:09] how do I get rid of the "build-depends-without-arch-dep" error? [05:09] is the package Architecture: all ? [05:09] or arch: any? [05:10] all [05:10] Build-Depends-Indep then [05:10] Ah thanks [05:11] that only leaves two more warnings from Lintain [05:11] changelog-should-mention-nmu [05:11] ignore the NMU warning [05:11] and [05:11] it's a debianism [05:11] source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.1.0-0ubuntu1 [05:11] though you should make sure that Maintainer is set properly in debian/control [05:12] I believe it is [05:14] wait...dangit I put an extra space between my name and my email [05:14] :) [05:14] Lintain checks out, Linda checks out [05:15] now to see if it gets past the MOTU review === ajmitch gets out the knives [05:15] If it doesn't I'll just fix it until it does :D [05:15] Its not like I've been doing this for months [05:15] hehe [05:17] http://rafb.net/paste/results/osx1y737.html <--ugly, ugly python code [05:17] Uploaded to REVU [05:17] have fun blasting it apart ajmitch ;P === ajmitch waits for it to trickle through to revu === StoneTable [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-41-252.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:33] I didn't follow [05:33] that dapper drake been open? [05:33] s/that/has/ [05:34] I'll have a lot of time now [05:34] #ubuntu-devel says the topic will change when dapper opens [05:34] so i guess not [05:34] ah well [05:35] thanks === derek [n=derek@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=michael@12.104.131.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:44] I can't find irc logs of the meeting from the 18th [06:44] there's no -meeting log for that day, and the -motu log is empty on people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs [06:44] i think someone is running a logbot [06:44] fabbione or something === CaiN_SA [n=cain@rrba-146-94-75.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:44] ah [06:45] yeah, thanks, but I think something's wrong with it [06:45] annoy fabbione i guess :) [06:46] heh === ajmitch is going to write up the minutes this weekend [06:49] and I've got my own log [06:49] Oh, thanks, ajmitch. 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#ubuntu-motu === Mortas [n=kris@217.148.89.121] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@alabama.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] hi === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] hello lucas [12:43] I'm interested in feedback about "Thoughts about management of packages in universe" in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTURuby [12:43] it's basically my conclusions after yesterday's discussion here [12:43] checking [12:45] lucas: at UVF, nothing new is automatically imported [12:45] not just new upstream [12:45] ah [12:46] somebody said yesterday that if x.y-(z+1) releases, it gets imported [12:46] so if we have 1.2.3-1, debian has 1.2.3-9, we still have to ask for a manual sync, but it doesn't require a freeze exception [12:46] z.y = allowed [12:46] not imported [12:46] lucas: what about packages in ubuntu, not in debian [12:47] zyga: I think the main goal here is improve free software in general, and debian-based distributions in particular [12:47] having packages in ubuntu but not in debian sucks, and should only happen for very short period of time [12:47] you are spending more time talking about merges and syncs [12:47] than you are about ruby [12:47] lucas: okay so I've packaged alexandria and a lib it requires that is not in debian yet [12:48] every motu has to deal with these issues, its not specific to ruby team === zyga does not know any debian ruby team [12:48] zyga: mail to pkg-ruby-extra@alioth.debian.org [12:48] tseng: I know [12:48] lucas: mail the source package? [12:48] zyga: a link to them [12:48] lucas: so don't stick it on a page that noone will see [12:48] lucas: since those are my first packages I'd prefer that someone user friendly first has a look [12:49] ajmitch: is there a breezy-changes alike for debian [12:49] from the top of the part: [12:49] tseng: hell yes [12:49] tseng: you get flooded [12:49] "By Lucas, feel free to edit or send comments. I put this here, *it might go elsewhere, but I dunno where. [12:49] I still don't have a pbuilder around and I'm generally unsure about the quality [12:49] tseng, ajmitch: I'm tired of your angry comments. [12:49] i am not angry, i am critical [12:49] haha [12:49] I chose to put it there because I thought people could complain if I put it elsewhere [12:49] there is a large difference [12:49] you think that was angry? ;) [12:50] tseng: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.changes.unstable/ [12:50] then, people complain because I put it on MOTURuby [12:50] zyga: try #debian-ruby@freenode [12:50] or more specifically paulvt@debian.org, who is my sponsor [12:51] MOTURuby could use a popcon sorted list [12:51] or as a subpage [12:51] certainly useful to any group of packages of that size [12:51] tseng: there's a list higher in the page with the command I used to generate it [12:52] yes, i am refering to it [12:52] ah, yes [12:52] we should create a motutools package [12:52] with all those scripts [12:52] however, the problem with that is that if ruby people do it, it will be in ruby, not python [12:53] majority of my scripts are bash, actually [12:54] the version comparison script might not be trivial to write in bash [12:54] if you want to parse the Packages file to get the versions [12:54] dpkg --compare-versions [12:54] ajmitch: no [12:54] I meant a list with 2 columns : version in debian, version in ubuntu [12:55] with colors etc [12:55] my output isn't pretty, but it works [12:55] how do you get the version in Debian from Ubuntu ? [12:56] by using the debian package list [12:56] you mean the Packages file ? [12:56] iirc, there was some chat about that on last meeting [12:56] I could have done it using python-apt, but I found it just as easy to do it myself [12:56] koke: yeah [12:56] it's not specific to ruby [12:56] I think I was talking about it as well === ajmitch did it in python [12:57] but I could have done it with a shell script [12:57] I think ruby team should worry about the BIG thing with Ruby nowadays [12:57] how to handle rubygems [12:57] koke: there is a lot of work on this area in pkg-ruby-extra [12:57] (a debian team) [12:57] lucas: are you in the debian team? [12:57] yes [12:58] (sort of) [12:58] good [12:58] sort of? [12:58] man [12:58] my laptop cant run quake4 :( [12:58] Lathiat: :D [12:58] just tried it, chugs like a mofo [12:58] probably the ram [12:58] pkg-ruby-extra is still being created [12:58] only 256M in this [12:58] Lathiat: where did you get quake4 packs [12:58] lucas: then they should advertise that more on the website [12:58] :) [12:58] zyga: somewhere? ;p [12:58] koke: it's not public yet [12:59] koke: there a common position [12:59]