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[03:06] <deang> What would you recommend for minimum system requirements for a Edubuntu lts client?
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[04:24] <_aaron> Is it natural that you can't use sudo if you haven't configured your machine's IP address?
[04:29] <_aaron> Anyone?
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[04:34] <mhz> moin y'all
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[05:56] <ianu> hello?
[05:56] <ianu> is anyway here?
[05:56] <ianu> *anyone
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[10:12] <juliux> ogra, ping
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[12:39] <sven-tek> ogra, Dipl. Ing. H. Huller will also be at "Linux Tage in Essen"
[12:39] <sven-tek> he will show arktur 
[12:47] <\sh> when are the linux tage in essen? 
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[01:48] <juliux> \sh, first weekend in december
[01:48] <juliux> \sh, i am also there
[01:48] <\sh> juliux: k...
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[03:39] <jsgotangco> hey all
[03:40] <ogra> moin jsgotangco 
[03:40] <jsgotangco> hey ogra how's it going?
[03:41] <ogra> fie, training my IRC skills (doing support in #ubuntu)
[03:41] <ogra> *fine even
[03:42] <jsgotangco> ahh i should go there #kubuntu is quite silent
[03:43] <ogra> heh
=== Yagisan waves at the support masochists
[03:45] <ogra> lol
[03:46] <Yagisan> I tried doing support in #ubuntu
[03:46] <Yagisan> I tired very quickly of the people that kept whinging and didn't follow instructions
[03:47] <ogra> its a very good training for nerves and typing speed ;)
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[03:47] <Yagisan> it reminded me of an old job too much
[03:47] <Yagisan> the painful memories of being front line tech support
[03:47] <ogra> sometinmes i like to remember this... :)
[03:48] <jsgotangco> ahhh if my typing skills can only be monetized :)
[03:50] <Yagisan> what I feel like doing next time someone tells me their "drink holder" is broken http://users.tpg.com.au/yagisan/images/doom2-036.jpg
[04:06] <juliux> ogra, it is for you ok when i make a edubuntu/ubuntu workshop in essen?
[04:07] <ogra> juliux, sure
[04:07] <juliux> ogra, ok
[04:08] <juliux> ogra, they try to get people from schools at the fair and for a workshop
[04:08] <ogra> cool
[04:08] <juliux> ogra, at wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Messen/UDMS i document what i do with my edubuntu installation
[04:10] <ogra> juliux, looks good... note that only newer laptops will support PXE boot... you should prepare some rom-o-matic generated floppies as well :)
[04:10] <ogra> at least for the most general NICs
[04:11] <juliux> ogra, i will try to do that via a cd or usb sticks
[04:11] <ogra> yes...
[04:12] <juliux> my idea is that you have on cd with all rom-o-matic images 
[04:12] <juliux> but this is only an idea
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[04:14] <ogra> how do you want to select the right one ? you'd need to write some kind of bootmenu for that
[04:14] <juliux> ogra, i know
[04:14] <juliux> ogra, but i am not a developer
[04:15] <juliux> ogra, but isn't possible that you have a very long bootmenu and you have to select the right image manual
[04:16] <Yagisan> juliux: you can't make a boot cd with all rom-o-matic images
[04:16] <juliux> Yagisan, why?
[04:16] <juliux> Yagisan, i can also use a dvd
[04:16] <Yagisan> juliux: you need the pc to support the multi-boot el-torito standard
[04:16] <Yagisan> juliux: almost no pc's support it
[04:17] <juliux> Yagisan, hm
[04:17] <Yagisan> juliux: they only support the regular el-torito standard for single boot cds
[04:18] <juliux> Yagisan, but i when i have a livecd i can also select what image should boot
[04:18] <Yagisan> juliux: perhaps a "live linux" cd with a long grub list and .zlilo 
[04:18] <juliux> Yagisan, yes this was my idea
[04:19] <juliux> Yagisan, but i think that i can do that alone
[04:19] <juliux> ups there is a not missing
[04:19] <Yagisan> juliux: got a cd that can easily be customised ?
[04:20] <juliux> Yagisan, what do you mean?
[04:20] <Yagisan> juliux: a live cd that you can add the images too ? (without too much effort)
[04:21] <juliux> Yagisan, ok that is a very good idea
[04:21] <juliux> Yagisan, i will search in the web
[04:21] <Yagisan> juliux: I'd suggest ubuntu - but they seem to be mission documentation on how to remaster cds
[04:21] <juliux> Yagisan, thank you for your help
[04:22] <juliux> Yagisan, i have a howto for remastering live cds
[04:22] <Yagisan> juliux: ogra did a remaster for edubuntu - lets bug him :)
[04:22] <ogra> huh ? 
[04:22] <ogra> i didnt :)
[04:22] <Yagisan> juliux: you do ? - could I have a link
[04:22] <juliux> Yagisan, moment
[04:22] <ogra> but there is a very good howto on the wiki how to remaster a liveCD
[04:23] <ogra> but that doesnt involve the bootprocess... there you'd need decent d-i knowledge
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=== Yagisan wants to build a pro-active security proof-of-concept cd
[04:24] <Yagisan> ogra: have a step by step guide for d-i ?
[04:24] <ogra> nope
[04:24] <ogra> i guess you have to learn it the hard way :) 
[04:24] <ogra> but yu can bug Kamion about it
[04:24] <juliux> Yagisan, there was one on the german gnome site but i didn't find it
[04:27] <Yagisan> juliux: It's ok - thanks for checking for me
[04:27] <juliux> Yagisan, np
[04:32] <Yagisan> ogra: isn't blender an opengl app ?
[04:32] <ogra> nope
[04:33] <Yagisan> ogra: blah - again google with incorrect info
[04:33] <ogra> its a wireframe design program ... OpenGL is only needed for the resulting work
[04:34] <ogra> blendr doesnt render anything on its own... you have to use a tool like povray
[04:34] <Yagisan> oh
[04:34] <Yagisan> any edubuntu apps opengl ?
[04:35] <ogra> nope... not by default
[04:35] <ogra> it eats hilarious amounts of bandwith
=== Yagisan knows
=== Yagisan is trying to get his favorite opengl apps working
[04:37] <Yagisan> It looks like a slideshow when I try to run opengl
[04:37] <Yagisan> nothing at all seems to be rendered client side
[04:38] <Yagisan> I think it renders it on the server, then just sends a bitmap of the rendered
[04:38] <Yagisan> work to the client
[04:39] <Yagisan> makes it hard to test http://users.tpg.com.au/yagisan/doomsday.en.html
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[07:20] <pupil> Strangest thing keeps happpening to me,. everytime my thin client logs in,.. my .ICEauthority file ownership changes to root.. whereby if I restart my window manger on terminal server, I can't login
[07:24] <strusberg> Is it somebody in the edubuntu community working in a spanish version?. Because I would like work (or begin) that project.
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[09:39] <steffen> Does anyone knows several webpages or online software (java)  for grammar school children?
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