[12:04] <kkathman> Im back :)
[12:05] <kkathman> Juerd might you still be here?
[12:11] <greenladen> czesc, nie spi to ktos b pytanie mam dosc wazne
[12:11] <greenladen> odnosnie kubuntu
[12:12] <greenladen> a konkretnie problemu
[12:26] <mars> Hi I have question
[12:27] <mars> During installing Breezy i have choosen 1024x 768 only. But i would like to use higher one. How can I add them. Do i have to reinstall kubuntu
[12:27] <mars> ?
[12:30] <mars> ehh
[12:30] <mars> everyone sleeping..
[12:45] <kkathman> Greetings...wow had a scare here
[12:48] <kkathman> anyone around?
[12:48] <mmport81> me - if i am included in everyone :)
[12:48] <mmport81> in anyone*
[12:48] <mmport81> have quick curious question
[12:49] <eckhart> akregator package for kde 3.5 beta 2 is hopelessly broken
[12:49] <eckhart> complete metakit archive backend is missing
[12:49] <mmport81> when i call a program in konsole i get one program, when i call it with alt f2 i get another
[12:49] <kkathman> yes you are mmport81 
[12:50] <mmport81> anybody have anyideas?
[12:50] <qatsi> hello everybody. Can anyone please tell me what to download in order to play DVD's ?...thanx :D
[12:50] <kkathman> wow I have no ideas on that...are you on standard kubuntu and breezy?
[12:50] <mmport81> yep
[12:51] <kkathman> qatsi: if you have standard breezy and kubuntu, check the K-menu under multimedia
[12:51] <kkathman> mmport81: sorry man, I have no clue then
[12:51] <_mars> What is the best way to restart x?
[12:51] <qatsi> control alt backspace i think....then startx
[12:51] <mmport81> basically i have always called realplay thru alt f2, but then wanted oss emulation so called a script called realplay in order to get oss emu working
[12:51] <kkathman> _mars: just reboot/restart
[12:52] <kkathman> qatsi: wont that just start another X instance?  Maybe Im wrong.
[12:53] <qatsi> kkathman: uhmm, im not shure...
[12:53] <kkathman> qatsi: ya me neither really
[12:55] <kkathman> nalioth :)
[12:55] <nalioth> howdy
[12:55] <qatsi> everybody looks for nalioth :P
[12:55] <kkathman> hey nalioth whats the best way to restart X  ?
[12:55] <kkathman> that question comes up alot
[12:56] <nalioth> kkathman: i always log out. but you can ctrl-alt-bksp to get the same effect
[12:56] <kkathman> ahh so ctrl-alt-backspace kills the current X and then you simply do a startX
[12:57] <kkathman> SOrry I meant that for nalioth  :)
[12:58] <nalioth> kkathman: if your system is working, ctrl-alt-bksp will kill your  current X, and the system will restart x for you
[12:58] <kkathman> nalioth: thanks very much I appreciate it
[12:59] <beast> hi Riddell
[01:34] <stupendo44> I have a quick question. Aren't the global shortcuts in amaroK supposed to be able to be used while amaroK is not focused?
[01:38] <_jaypee> hello, i would like to compile mplayer under kubuntu, do I have to ./configure --prefix=/usr or just ./configure
[01:38] <stupendo44> using the prefix is generally recommended
[01:39] <_jaypee> so that prefix is fine?
[01:39] <stupendo44> yeah
[01:39] <_jaypee> thanks a lot!
[01:44] <jayparadise> anyone know what kernel arguemnets go in this grub line
[01:44] <jayparadise> kernel /boot/vmlinuz  root=/dev/hda4 
[01:45] <jayparadise> is it fine to leave it like that with no arguments?
[01:45] <kkathman> Im back again, sorry I've had some ISP speed problems I had to get resolveed
[01:45] <stupendo44> jayparadise: just gonna look at mine for a sec...
[01:46] <jayparadise> i acutally couldnt get grub to boot recently with kubuntu, it said there was a problem with the line root=/dev/hda4
[01:46] <stupendo44> mine says: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-k7 root=/dev/hdc1 ro quiet splash
[01:46] <jayparadise> so started knoppix and chrooted and ended up compiling a new one
[01:46] <stupendo44> ro may be required, I'm not sure what it is
[01:46] <jayparadise> i dont get that ro thing
[01:46] <jayparadise> ok
[01:47] <stupendo44> I'm guess quiet and splash are not required
[01:47] <jayparadise> that other problem stumps me
[01:47] <stupendo44> but apparently they are normal, because they're there in mine
[01:47] <jayparadise> i was thinking the /dev/ files were currupted
[01:50] <g|patrick> hi
[01:50] <asraniel> hhmm... kubuntu sees my cpu only as 790 mhz cpu, but it should be 1,8Ghz
[01:50] <g|patrick> asraniel: amd athlon 64?
[01:51] <Juerd> asraniel: Possibly it was throttled at the moment of detection.
[01:51] <stupendo44> what cpu is it?
[01:51] <kkathman> jayparadise and stupendo44  you might want to discuss this in #ubuntu, people there are more on the technical side to help you there
[01:51] <Juerd> asraniel: It may automatically increase when it's needed
[01:51] <kkathman> this channel tends to be more for kubuntu, or kde based ubuntu :)
[01:51] <asraniel> Juerd,stupendo44: pentium M 1,86
[01:51] <kkathman> hi juerd :)
[01:51] <g|patrick> hmmm... can someone help me with kopete
[01:51] <g|patrick> i dont get it
[01:51] <stupendo44> jayparadise: sorry I can't help much, I'm not much of an expert
[01:52] <Juerd> asraniel: My Pentium M 1.5 is "seen" as a 600 MHz 
[01:52] <g|patrick> i try to import styles with images
[01:52] <g|patrick> but kopete never loads the images of the styles
[01:52] <kkathman> g|patrick: sorry I dont use kopete so I cant help you
[01:52] <g|patrick> tried already google
[01:52] <asraniel> Juerd: but does it operate at the correct speed or not?
[01:52] <stupendo44> my athlon xp 2800 is seen as 2084 Mhz, but it actually is close to that
[01:52] <g|patrick> but there i only find complains about direct file transfer ;(
[01:53] <kkathman> g|patrick: so you downloaded some new style and it wont load?
[01:53] <Juerd> asraniel: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq
[01:53] <Juerd> asraniel: Do that on a command line
[01:54] <asraniel> Juerd: gives me 1867000
[01:54] <Juerd> asraniel: It operates on high speed when high speed is needed. When not needed, it automatically lowers, to save energy.
[01:54] <Juerd> asraniel: Then it's detected correctly
[01:54] <g|patrick> kkathman: i can load the css-file
[01:54] <kkathman> g|patrick: I see a major problem right now, its duplicating entries
[01:54] <g|patrick> but the images of it dont appear
[01:54] <g|patrick> css... wait xslt?
[01:54] <Juerd> asraniel: Repeatedly do: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[01:55] <Juerd> asraniel: While you start a lot of programs
[01:55] <Juerd> asraniel: You'll see the frequency increase
[01:55] <stupendo44> Juerd: there's nothing under /sys for me, is there a reason?
[01:55] <Juerd> stupendo44: Are you using Kubuntu breezy?
[01:55] <g|patrick> styles are one data-folder and one stylefile
[01:55] <stupendo44> Juerd: yeah
[01:56] <Juerd> stupendo44: Did you mess with /etc/fstab?
[01:56] <stupendo44> yes
[01:56] <asraniel> Jues, i started glxgears, cpu is at 100%, but freq doesent increase
[01:56] <Juerd> stupendo44: Then you probably removed the /sys line :)
[01:56] <asraniel> Juerdi started glxgears, cpu is at 100%, but freq doesent increase
[01:56] <kkathman> g|patrick: so did you download a new style and then load it...is that what you tried to do?
[01:56] <stupendo44> Juerd: I didn't think so, but I guess it's possible... Is there a sample somewhere so I can put it back
[01:56] <Juerd> asraniel: Did you remove or disable powernowd?
[01:57] <g|patrick> ja... tried from gui
[01:57] <g|patrick> and i tried to place it into the kopete folders directly
[01:57] <Juerd> stupendo44: I just discovered that /sys is mounted without /fstab
[01:57] <g|patrick> nothing worked
[01:57] <Juerd> stupendo44: I don't know howt it works exactly, sorry
[01:57] <g|patrick> it still only loads the default skins
[01:57] <stupendo44> jue, no big deal
[01:57] <asraniel> Juerd: never touched it
[01:57] <Juerd> asraniel: Are you running Kubuntu breezy?
[01:58] <asraniel> Juerd: i do
[01:58] <kkathman> g|patrick: did you double check to assure that the style was compatible with the Kopete release?
[01:58] <Juerd> asraniel: Did you compile a custom kernel?
[01:58] <asraniel> Juerd: no, i only replaced the dsdt so that acpi works for my laptop
[01:58] <Juerd> What is dsdt?
[01:59] <g|patrick> using kopete 0.10.4
[01:59] <Juerd> Oh, I know what it is (long live Google)
[01:59] <Juerd> How does one change the dsdt?
[01:59] <Juerd> Does that involve recompiling the kernel?
[02:00] <g|patrick> kkathman: there  are no compatibliy issues mentionend: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=22640 
[02:00] <asraniel> Juerd: no, its with that initrd trick
[02:00] <kkathman> g|patrick: yes, now is that new style you downloaded, compatible with that new release?
[02:00] <Juerd> If so, make sure that you have frequency scaling enabled
[02:00] <Juerd> asraniel: Run "ps ax" and confirm that powernowd is running
[02:00] <kkathman> g|patrick: other than that, try change to a default style and see if you can do that
[02:01] <asraniel> Juerd: its running
[02:01] <g|patrick> i can install the xslt
[02:01] <g|patrick> it displays the colorcode
[02:01] <Juerd> asraniel: Run "lsmod | grep freq" and see if speedstep_centrino is listed for freq_table
[02:01] <g|patrick> but it doesnt load the images
[02:02] <kkathman> g|patrick: sounds like a bug either in the style, or in kopete
[02:02] <kkathman> g|patrick: why dont you try IMing me and lets see if the styles work
[02:03] <asraniel> Juerd: it does... realy strange all this, perhaps a wrong config somewhere? but i never touched one
[02:03] <Juerd> asraniel: cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU/throttling
[02:03] <Juerd> asraniel: Does that list multiple states? Is it at T0, 00%?
[02:04] <g|patrick> kkathman: i tried several styles
[02:04] <g|patrick> its always the same
[02:04] <kkathman> g|patrick: and none of them work?
[02:04] <g|patrick> only the defaults are working!
[02:04] <kkathman> then its probably a bug
[02:04] <g|patrick> well...
[02:05] <g|patrick> do u know a how to that explains in detail how to install those themes?
[02:05] <kkathman> g|patrick: there is an entry there under HELP to report a bug on Kopete
[02:05] <kkathman> g|patrick: no I dont actually
[02:05] <kkathman> but you should be able to go to the Kopete site and possible look there
[02:05] <asraniel> Juerd: yes, but i can set the state with KLaptop myself. problem is, with 00% the speed is at 797. interesting is that with 37% its still 797 MHz, but everything is slower
[02:07] <Juerd> asraniel: Then I have really no idea what could be wrong. I suggest you report a bug at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:08] <g|patrick> kkathman: there they are talking about plugins :(
[02:08] <g|patrick> but nothing about styles :(
[02:08] <kkathman> hmm let me check
[02:09] <g|patrick> and they explain how to make a skin
[02:09] <g|patrick> but not how to make it active ;(
[02:09] <g|patrick> kopete.kde.org btw.
[02:11] <kkathman> g|patrick:  here it tells you: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdenetwork/kopete/faq.html
[02:11] <MPC> does a USB drive, like a SanDisk Cruiser, need to be partitioned before formatting? ... e.g. MS-DOS format?
[02:12] <kkathman> MPC: I dont think so, no
[02:12] <g|patrick> customizing icons ---> smileys
[02:12] <kkathman> g|patrick: read further down the page
[02:12] <MPC> thanks.  I'm having trouble getting the USB drive recognized by XP in my dual-boot notebook.
[02:12] <g|patrick> sry... i am tired 
[02:13] <g|patrick> its hard to concentrate 
[02:13] <MPC> Linux "sees" the USB drive; XP can no longer - after I re-booted to XP
[02:15] <g|patrick> where can i find the kde-dir?
[02:15] <MPC> should I use any special format (e.g. other than mkDOSfs?
[02:21] <g|patrick> kkathman: /home/patrick/.kde/share/apps/kopete/styles/Sakahagi/ <-- in that folder are xslt-file and the images
[02:21] <g|patrick> now i imported that xslt but no images
[02:25] <g|patrick> still there?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> morning all :)
[02:31] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> hi guys..
[02:31] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> is there a way to rebuild automatically kmenu? 
[02:31] <stupendo55> what's the status on ntfs support? is it considered alpha or beta? should I use it?
[02:32] <g|patrick> stupendo55: i'd rather use ext3 on ur drives
[02:32] <g|patrick> and give windows ability to read ext3
[02:32] <g|patrick> there are plugins
[02:32] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ?
[02:32] <g|patrick> that would be safer, because ntfs is still buggy
[02:33] <Hobbsee> !ext3fs
[02:33] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Are you on ritalin?
[02:33] <g|patrick> its easier to teach windows linuxfilesystem than linux windows ones
[02:33] <stupendo55> I bet
[02:34] <stupendo55> I'm using a fat32 partition for cross-compatability, but I have a ntfs drive that I need to access. I'm reading it fine right now, but I'd like to know if I should enable writing so I can delete files that I copy off of it.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> well, if you do enable writing, it could screw up your drive
[02:34] <quam> !ext3fs
[02:34] <ubotu> quam: I give up, what is it?
[02:34] <quam> windows can read ext3?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> why not make sure that you delete whatever you want to from it when you boot back into a windows partition
[02:34] <Hobbsee> quam: yep
[02:34] <Hobbsee> with a program
[02:35] <stupendo55> ok, I'll take that as a no... :)
[02:35] <quam> got a url for that or some place i can get more info?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> quam: getting it, about to go and put it in the bot when i find more info
[02:35] <g|patrick> kkathman: didn't helped me
[02:35] <g|patrick> no images, only the naked style
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ah ha!
[02:36] <Hobbsee> !explore2fs
[02:36] <ubotu> I guess explore2fs is to get read/write access to your Linux ext2/3 partitions from windows, see http://www.fs-driver.org/
[02:37] <quam> Hobbsee: sorry, what'd I miss. Konversation froze up on me like a damn windows program. I almost forgot what OS I was in.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> !tell quam about explore2fs
[02:37] <Hobbsee> lol...i hate that
[02:37] <Hobbsee> happens so rarely, but when it does, it's a pain
[02:37] <quam> much obliged
[02:37] <g|patrick> but stupendo55, u have to save ur data first
[02:37] <Hobbsee> found that there was a factoid for the program :)
[02:38] <g|patrick> if u change the filesystem by formating, anything will be lost
[02:39] <Hobbsee> g|patrick: what was your question about kopete?
[02:39] <g|patrick> ya
[02:39] <g|patrick> any clues?
[02:40] <g|patrick> :D
[02:40] <Hobbsee> dont know, havent seen the question...
[02:40] <g|patrick> tried to install themes
[02:40] <Hobbsee> only came in here around 10 mins ago lol
[02:41] <g|patrick> but i get images loaded in that styles
[02:41] <g|patrick> all styles i added are naked
[02:41] <g|patrick> only the stylecolor settings
[02:41] <g|patrick> no images, nothing
[02:41] <g|patrick> but images are working in the default ones
[02:41] <Hobbsee> ^  ^ - that's weird!
[02:41] <g|patrick> im am totally confused
[02:41] <Hobbsee> definetly!
[02:42] <g|patrick> the easiest way should be, that kopete could read tar.gz and install it directly
[02:42] <Hobbsee> i've got no idea, havent tried theming kopete main window
[02:42] <m_tadeu> I'm having the same prob
[02:42] <g|patrick> no..chat window
[02:42] <Hobbsee> ah...yes, i do do that
[02:43] <g|patrick> the mainwindow style is the system default :P
[02:43] <g|patrick> x)
[02:43] <Hobbsee> using import, location, etc
[02:43] <g|patrick> import worx only for the style-file
[02:43] <Hobbsee> well that's what i thought...but then someone said i could change the little icons if i hated them
[02:44] <g|patrick> smileys are not part of my problem
[02:44] <g|patrick> there is an additional menu for that
[02:44] <g|patrick> kopete calls them emoticons
[02:44] <Hobbsee> ooh, new version of efficient...that means i can try it out
[02:44] <Hobbsee> i know, i was meaning the ones in the main window with the contacs
[02:44] <Hobbsee> *contacts
[02:44] <g|patrick> maybe someone has the copyright on "smiley"
[02:44] <g|patrick> Hobbsee: no
[02:45] <g|patrick> the chat window :D
[02:45] <wezlo> evening all - is anyone else missing the "window" menu in konqueror?
[02:46] <g|patrick> Hobbsee: i tried to install this: http://kdelook.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=22640&file1=22640-1.png&file2=22640-2.png&file3=&name=Sakahagi+kopete+theme
[02:46] <stupendo55> wezlo: no window menu here
[02:47] <wezlo> anyone know how to get it back?
[02:47] <stupendo55> don't you have tabs?
[02:47] <wezlo> yah
[02:47] <stupendo55> why do you need a window menu then
[02:47] <wezlo> I like to split my view to file transfers
[02:47] <wezlo> I know the commands but was wondering where the menu went
[02:48] <Hobbsee> g|patrick: ah...i see...efficient just imports a .xsl file
[02:48] <g|patrick> is "efficient" a new built
[02:49] <stupendo55> wezlo: did previous builds with the window menu have tabs?
[02:49] <wezlo> yah
[02:49] <wezlo> konq's had tabs forever
[02:50] <stupendo55> I don't know then...
[02:50] <wezlo> yah
[02:50] <wezlo> I upgraded from hoary and went, "???"
[02:51] <wezlo> like I said, I know the commands, split the view for file transfers usin the fish kioslave is just awesome
[02:52] <g|patrick> Hobbsee: so u have no idea either :(
[02:56] <wezlo> stupendo55, thanks for the chat - you all have a good night!
[03:02] <kkathman> hey Hobbsee  :)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hey kkathman :)
[03:02] <kkathman> g|patrick: you still having probs with Kopete?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> sorry g|patrick i had to go out for a min
[03:02] <kkathman> sorry I was away
[03:03] <Hobbsee> g|patrick: sorry, no idea
[03:03] <kkathman> Hobbsee: was he asking about Kopete still?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> kkathman: yes
[03:05] <kkathman> Hobbsee: I gave him a web page that explicitly expliained how to do what he was trying to do
[03:05] <kkathman> it goes step by step
[03:06] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:07] <g|patrick> kkathman: ja
[03:07] <g|patrick> still the same ;(
[03:07] <g|patrick> kkathman: and i answered that it didn't worked
[03:07] <g|patrick> i followed it STEP by STEP but it did'nt changed anything 
[03:10] <Hobbsee> kkathman: g|patrick is also getting help in #kde
[03:11] <kkathman> there's probably an error in Kopete...thats always been a pretty buggy app
[03:11] <kkathman> and they are embroiled in alot of legal things too that might shut them down
[03:12] <Hobbsee> ugh great...i like kopete!
[03:12] <Pablo_C> ack... legal.... run.. run away
[03:13] <kkathman> yah.. AOL and Microsoft are suing them...it bodes badly
[03:13] <Hobbsee> i'd really have to prefer not to use gaim...
[03:13] <Hobbsee> whatever for?
[03:13] <kkathman> unathorized access to their messaging systems
[03:14] <Hobbsee> right, and gaim, trillian, and all the others are allowed?
[03:14] <kkathman> Trillian was threatened with the same thing, but they got around it
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:14] <kkathman> so did gaim
[03:14] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[03:14] <kkathman> but Kopete is not US based.. so they fall under the EU restrictions and got nailed
[03:15] <kkathman> EU is always messing with things like that
[03:16] <kkathman> Hopefully they will get a favorable outcome
[03:16] <Hobbsee> heh...the advantages of living in australia...no US or EU law here...not sure what our own laws are on that sort of stuff though
[03:16] <Hobbsee> yeah, hopefully!
[03:16] <kkathman> I dont particularly like Kopete because its too buggy, but I kinda like stickin it to AOL and MS
[03:17] <kkathman> Hobbsee: really doesnt matter about your national laws, its the international treaties..and Kopete is a European outfit, so they fell under those restrictions and AOL/MS complained
[03:17] <Hobbsee> true...but there's gaim and kopete...havent really found anything else that will do all the protocols
[03:17] <Hobbsee> right
[03:17] <kkathman> their complaints kinda fell on deaf ears here
[03:18] <kkathman> Yah I use Gaim, cuz its very reliable
[03:18] <kkathman> Too bad they dont have Trillian for open 
[03:18] <Hobbsee> mmm...and trillian is fairly slow to start
[03:19] <kkathman> each of those programs (even Trillian) hack into the host networks, and thats what AOL and MS complain about
[03:19] <kkathman> they say its a "security" issue....yeah right
[03:19] <Hobbsee> heh...yeah
[03:20] <Hobbsee> yeah, it stops people using the original clients...funny that
[03:20] <kkathman> yah...and because AIM and MSN are free, the complaints fell on deaf ears here, but apparently the EU had a different take on it
[03:20] <_judith> I have sound troubles. What do I have to install?
[03:20] <kkathman> boga: what kind of troubles?
[03:21] <boga> kkathman: it's no longer working, but was working before
[03:21] <kkathman> !tell boga about soundproblems
[03:21] <kkathman> check that PM boga
[03:21] <kkathman> see if that helps
[03:22] <boga> thanx
[03:22] <kojak> does kubuntu   come with a firewall
[03:22] <Hobbsee> !firewall
[03:22] <ubotu> it has been said that firewall is Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter. see !firestarter
[03:23] <Hobbsee> same with kubuntu
[03:23] <kkathman> !firestarter
[03:23] <ubotu> methinks firestarter is Ubuntu has, like every other Linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is Firestarter, which can be installed via Breezy's "Add Applications" or Synaptic
[03:23] <kojak> that sentence is confusing man
[03:23] <kkathman> kojak: bottom line...go look at firestarter :)
[03:24] <kkathman> hehe
[03:24] <pwn3r> where is the configuration files for kdm? ie: Xsetup, Xstartup, etc..
[03:24] <kkathman> pwn3r: try k-menu and System Settings
[03:25] <Hobbsee> firestarter never worked for me...it kept blocking my smb connections
[03:25] <Hobbsee> pwn3r: what did you want to do with it?  system settings doesnt let you control kdm
[03:25] <kkathman> Hobbsee: yah me too, I have a router tho and it has NAT protection..so Im good
[03:25] <hyperactivecrond> !kde5
[03:26] <ubotu> Wish i knew, hyperactivecrond
[03:26] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[03:26] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Bugger all, i dunno
[03:26] <hyperactivecrond> d'oh
[03:26] <Hobbsee> hyperactivecrond: which were you looking for?
[03:26] <pwn3r> Hobbsee:  run synergy in kdm before login
[03:26] <hyperactivecrond> !kde3.5 is KDE 3.5beta2 out: http://tinyurl.com/ad4x6
[03:26] <ubotu> hyperactivecrond: okay
[03:27] <Hobbsee> right...
[03:27] <Hobbsee> !info synergy
[03:27] <ubotu> synergy: (Share mouse and keyboard over the network), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.2.2-1build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 493 kB, Installed size: 1472 kB
[03:28] <Hobbsee> before login...if it were after login, you could just make a symlink and stick it in ~/.kde/autostart
[03:28] <pwn3r> i think i found it in /etc/kde3/kdm/
[03:28] <Hobbsee> before login, that i do not know how to do
[03:29] <kkathman> anyone know any good linux newsgroups...they seem to be few and far between
[03:29] <kkathman> hey there strike4ce 
[03:29] <strike4ce> kkathman: hi
[03:30] <kkathman> Hobbsee you know about this synergy thing?
[03:30] <strike4ce> I need help with installing a ati driver
[03:30] <Hobbsee> kkathman: nope
[03:30] <Hobbsee> !ati
[03:30] <ubotu> somebody said ati was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[03:30] <kkathman> oh ok
[03:30] <kkathman> hehe
[03:30] <Hobbsee> kkathman: well, not beyond the info thing before
[03:30] <strike4ce> doesnt help
[03:31] <kkathman> that sounds kinda kewl...I have four computers I'd love to do that with...right now Im using a switch
[03:31] <kkathman> its a pain
[03:31] <pwn3r> i may have gotten it figured out, if i have, where do you suggest i post the info too?
[03:31] <kkathman> pwn3r: how about here :)
[03:32] <pwn3r> ok i can do that
[03:32] <kkathman> thanks alot for your willingness :)
[03:32] <pwn3r> need to reboot to test the auto start now. :) 
[03:32] <pwn3r> be back soon
[03:32] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:32] <Hobbsee> here's good
[03:34] <strike4ce> How do you know if you have 3d going on kubuntu
[03:34] <Pablo_C> put on your 3d glasses and see if stuff is jumpin out at ya
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:34] <strike4ce> umm lol
[03:34] <Hobbsee> no, there is a command...i'm just trying to remember what on earth it is...
[03:34] <strike4ce> I wish it was that easy
[03:35] <strike4ce> glxgears?
[03:35] <kkathman> 3d?
[03:35] <kkathman> lol Pablo :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> couldnt tell you...it's one that i only used once, so dont remember
[03:35] <g|patrick> ah crap
[03:35] <g|patrick> even they cant help
[03:35] <g|patrick> miranda is not avaible for linux
[03:36] <g|patrick> i cant stand gaim
[03:36] <g|patrick> kopete is too bugg
[03:36] <g|patrick> y
[03:36] <strike4ce> damn why is it so hard to install an ati driver?
[03:36] <g|patrick> which messenger remains in the pool of linux :(
[03:36] <Pablo_C> I use gaim
[03:36] <kkathman> Ive been telling people that its too buggy, but yet they still use it :)
[03:37] <kkathman> haha
[03:37] <kkathman> g|patrick: gaim comes standard and its VERY reliable
[03:37] <kkathman> g|patrick: just go to the K-menu, look under Internet
[03:37] <strike4ce> How can I see what graphics driver I have?
[03:38] <strike4ce> anyone know?
[03:39] <kkathman> good question
[03:39] <kkathman> that I dont know
[03:40] <g|patrick> kkathman: gaim - i simply dont like it
[03:41] <kkathman> well Im afraid theres Kopete, which is very buggy, and Gaim pick your poison :)
[03:41] <kkathman> one works and the other doesnt
[03:42] <g|patrick> u are telling me, that in the huge linux world are only gaim and kopete?
[03:42] <g|patrick> come on, ur kidding :(
[03:42] <kkathman> that is correct
[03:42] <g|patrick> kidding?
[03:42] <kkathman> why not go ahead and search in Google :)
[03:42] <g|patrick> give me a clue
[03:43] <g|patrick> on the first 10 site "instand messenger linux" are only gaim and kopete and demands for miranda :(
[03:43] <kkathman> how bout that :)
[03:43] <kkathman> to my knowledge those are the only ones 
[03:43] <g|patrick> crap :(
[03:44] <g|patrick> not its almost 4AM and i wasted 5hours for this shitty app again
[03:44] <kkathman> gaim works very well and is very reliable
[03:45] <g|patrick> but gaim is crap
[03:45] <g|patrick> i even lacks of functions that kopete has
[03:45] <g|patrick> and kopete hasnt much
[03:45] <kkathman> so yanno, turn on the setting in KDE to show Gnome apps like KDE and you got it
[03:45] <kkathman> it has all the functions Kopete has 
[03:45] <kkathman> and handles all protocols
[03:46] <g|patrick> and its horrible GUI
[03:46] <g|patrick> i hate gaim
[03:46] <g|patrick> its even worse than gimp
[03:46] <kkathman> ok
[03:46] <kkathman> well
[03:46] <kkathman> those are your options
[03:46] <g|patrick> gaim is no option :(
[03:47] <g|patrick> gaim is an example how good ideas can be killed with damned user guidelines
[03:47] <g|patrick> and thats although its final
[03:53] <strike4ce> I get this in terminal when I run glxgears:  Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:55] <g|patrick> strike4ce: u have do reconfigure xserver
[03:55] <g|patrick> then choose fglrx as graphicdriver
[03:55] <g|patrick> dri is the extension, that enables hardware acceleration
[03:58] <pwn3r> it seems kdm does things synergy doesnt like
[03:58] <pwn3r> like locks keyboard and mouse access until after login
[04:04] <strike4ce> g|patrick: What is the command to reconfigure xserver please?
[04:05] <strike4ce> ??
[04:05] <kinfo> what?
[04:06] <strike4ce> !xserver
[04:06] <ubotu> strike4ce: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:06] <strike4ce> xserver?
[04:06] <strike4ce> ?xserver
[04:06] <hyperactivecrond> !xorg
[04:06] <ubotu> well, xorg is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:06] <hyperactivecrond> there you go
[04:07] <g|patrick> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:07] <strike4ce> hyperactivecrond: I can select the module myself right?
[04:07] <g|patrick> u might need xserver-xfree
[04:07] <g|patrick> i am not sure if that worx
[04:08] <hyperactivecrond> strike4ce: i guess
[04:08] <strike4ce> g|patrick: I have a ati driver on my desktop
[04:08] <g|patrick> have u installed it yet?
[04:08] <strike4ce> no thats what Im trying to do
[04:08] <g|patrick> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[04:08] <strike4ce> I converted it
[04:09] <g|patrick> follow it step by step =D
[04:09] <strike4ce> ahhh do you have the same card?
[04:09] <g|patrick> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589&posted=1#post423589 this is newer
[04:09] <g|patrick> strike4ce: 9800 :)
[04:09] <g|patrick> ati drivers becoming better :P
[04:10] <g|patrick> but their still bumpy in comparsion to nvidias
[04:12] <strike4ce> How do I find my bus identifier?
[04:12] <g|patrick> ?
[04:12] <pwn3r> ok well i got synergy working just fine now but it seems unless i use gdm I will always have to login from the server system before i can use the mouse and keyboard on the clients to login.
[04:13] <strike4ce> g|patrick: any idea what a bus identifier is?
[04:14] <g|patrick> use default
[04:14] <g|patrick> only change driver to fglrx
[04:14] <g|patrick> dont change anything
[04:16] <g|patrick> btw. u have installed the driver already?
[04:17] <strike4ce> g|patrick: 9600 and no im not finished
[04:18] <g|patrick> well this should be done after u have installed the driver
[04:18] <g|patrick> have u tried those which are supplied with the universereposortories?
[04:18] <g|patrick> crap, theire only 8.16.20 :(
[04:19] <strike4ce> g|patrick: its a dell laptop monitor dunno wha to put there?
[04:20] <g|patrick> defaults
[04:20] <g|patrick> make a autodetection
[04:20] <g|patrick> i hope u haven played aorund with the keyboard settings 
[04:20] <g|patrick> i have some experience with that...
[04:20] <g|patrick> i killed my ubuntu with that x(
[04:20] <strike4ce> default
[04:20] <g|patrick> kk
[04:21] <g|patrick> well...
[04:21] <g|patrick> are u sure, that u have not installed the driver u have on ur desktop?
[04:22] <occy> If I have Ubuntu Breezy, and I want to get all the KDE stuff for kubuntu, can I just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?  (it'll keep my gnome stuff right?)
[04:22] <g|patrick> occy: i guess so
[04:22] <apokryphos> yes, it will
[04:22] <occy> g|patrick, I want to get KDE another shot... but, don't want to nuke my gnome setup.
[04:22] <occy> :)
[04:22] <occy> apokryphos, yah?
[04:23] <apokryphos> very good idea
[04:23] <g|patrick> occy: u will be able to switch on the login area
[04:23] <strike4ce> g|patrick: Yes, sorry was configuring, but im going try that page you gave me now
[04:23] <g|patrick> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589&posted=1#post423589 :D
[04:23] <occy> g|patrick, I guess if I wanted to try kdm, I could just /etc/init.d/gdm stop  and then start kdm huh?
[04:23] <g|patrick> no...
[04:23] <g|patrick> simply log out
[04:23] <occy> okies
[04:24] <g|patrick> choose kde for the next session
[04:24] <occy> yah
[04:24] <g|patrick> and login within kde
[04:24] <occy> will it automagically use kdm the next time?
[04:24] <apokryphos> you can use gdm to effectively login with kde; but if you want to switch to kdm it's easy
[04:24] <g|patrick> u can choose
[04:24] <occy> or does kubuntu use gdm?  
[04:24] <apokryphos> occy: it will ask you (on install) which you want as default
[04:24] <g|patrick> btw. kdm, gdm?
[04:24] <g|patrick> whats the difference?
[04:24] <apokryphos> kde display manager -- gnome display manager
[04:24] <occy> ahhh ok.
[04:24] <apokryphos> a few differences
[04:24] <occy> thanks guys
[04:25] <g|patrick> apokryphos: ok...
[04:25] <occy> thar she goes
[04:25] <occy> ;)
[04:25] <g|patrick> however... i always have to laod libraries of both sets
[04:25] <g|patrick> so its not important what will be the default
[04:25] <g|patrick> i personally prefer the gtk login screens :D
[04:25] <apokryphos> yuck :P
[04:26] <Knowerrors> Hey all, running Kubuntu 5.10, is there a way to make all new windows that open default to maximized?
[04:26] <g|patrick> occy: u can choose i u want login with kde permanatly or only per seesssion
[04:26] <apokryphos> though I personally prefer no login screen at all; don't really want an extra step between me and kde ;-)
[04:26] <g|patrick> strike4ce: i have to go now...
[04:26] <g|patrick> good luck :)
[04:26] <occy> g|patrick, nod
[04:26] <g|patrick> and dont kill ur config as much as i did x)
[04:26] <occy> thanks bunches 
[04:26] <occy> g|patrick, night!
[04:26] <g|patrick> gn8
[04:26] <occy> apokryphos, tx too
[04:26] <xtacocorex> anyone know how to get kscd to not autostart in breezy?
[04:28] <xtacocorex> nevermind, found it
[04:33] <Elsan> What is the apt-get command to get the Kubuntu files with normal Ubuntu?
[04:33] <pwn3r> sudo apt-get install kubuntu_desktop ##is this the one you are looking for?
[04:35] <Elsan> Yes, thanks
[04:35] <Elsan> I reinstalled Ubuntu hoping a bigger swap would help make Rhythmbox work and it didn't. So now I need to get KDE again :(
[04:35] <pwn3r> your welcome
[04:36] <kkathman> pwn3r: did everything work for you on that kdm issue?  I had to step away.
[04:36] <apokryphos> Elsan: why use rhythmbox?
[04:37] <apokryphos> and it's kubuntu-desktop (not kubuntu_desktop)
[04:37] <Elsan> yeah :P I know
[04:37] <Elsan> apokryphos: Is there better?
[04:37] <apokryphos> far better, yes
[04:37] <apokryphos> amaroK or JuK
[04:37] <pwn3r> kkathman:  i ended up switching to wdm 
[04:37] <kkathman> ahh ok
[04:38] <pwn3r> kkathman: i couldnt get kdm to start the synergy server after login for some reason
[04:38] <pwn3r> but i dont mind
[04:38] <kkathman> that sounded like a neat proggie...I could have used it
[04:39] <kkathman> I have 4 computers right here around me and I share my keyboard and mouse via a switch right now
[04:39] <pwn3r> it does work great, it shares clipboards across systems as well
[04:39] <Elsan> Clipboards! :0
[04:39] <kkathman> pwn3r: does it do it across samba shares also?
[04:40] <pwn3r> 1 mouse, 1 keyboard, 2 monitors, 2 cpu's
[04:40] <pwn3r> im not sure what you mean
[04:40] <pwn3r> kkathman: what do you mean accross samba shares?
[04:42] <pwn3r> i don't think it does (if i understand correctly). it uses TCP/IP.
[04:43] <kkathman> pwn3r: I mean, I set up a network in my home...it has several computers, including Windows boxes..I was wondering if I could share the keyboard and mouse across those machines too
[04:43] <Knowerrors> Is there a KDE global settings for all windows to always revert to maximized on new open?
[04:43] <pwn3r> kkathman: yea it is cross platform
[04:43] <kkathman> wow kewl
[04:44] <pwn3r> i hope in the future they figure a way to drag entire files across monitors :)
[04:44] <kkathman> Knowerrors: I am not aware of any setting that does that, but we can check the Windows Behavior in the System Settings
[04:44] <kkathman> pwn3r: there's a program that does that in Windowx
[04:45] <kkathman> Knowerrors: check under the System Settings, Desktop, Windows Behavior and play with some of those options
[04:46] <pwn3r> kkathman: is that with a multi head setup?
[04:46] <pwn3r> or..
[04:46] <pwn3r> i havent heard of anything like that
[04:47] <kkathman> pwn3r: my son was playing with it last year...he found it as a shareware thing on downloads.com...its a piece of software that runs on both computers and links them
[04:47] <kkathman> I dont remember the name of it
[04:47] <Knowerrors> kkathman: nope nothing there... really irritatin to have to maximize every program window when I open a new one
[04:47] <kkathman> ahh ok
[04:48] <kkathman> Knowerrors: you know you might try this... open the app, maximize it, then close it. Then open it again...I know Opera and a few others will "remember" the size it was the last time you shut it down
[04:49] <Knowerrors> yeah, Gwenview did, and amarok, but not Konq
[04:49] <kkathman> Knode works that way too
[04:49] <kkathman> so try that
[04:50] <os2mac> so I see that OpenOffice got a new release... does anyone know how long it takes to populate out to the universe?
[04:50] <kkathman> yes you can with Konq...you need to open it, maximize, then Settings, Save as Web Browser...close and reopen
[04:50] <kkathman> sorry "Save View as Web Browser"
[04:51] <pwn3r> i know some apps will run maximized if you start it with the --maximize argument
[04:51] <kkathman> Knowerrors: see what I said above?
[04:51] <pwn3r> not sure how to make ever app do it tho
[04:51] <kkathman> pwn3r:  each app is different
[04:51] <Knowerrors> yeah, I'll try that
[04:52] <kkathman> pwn3r: but in general if you maximize it, then close..it will open maximized the next time
[04:52] <kkathman> Konq is different, in that you can actually SET the particulars
[04:52] <kkathman> I just did it and it worked like a champ
[04:53] <Knowerrors> I tried the save view as web browser, didn't stick the size
[04:53] <kkathman> Knowerrors: well, it sure worked for me
[04:53] <Knowerrors> Ill try that --maximize thing
[04:53] <pwn3r> do you know how to make konqueror always start with the view mode set to "detailed list view"?
[04:53] <kkathman> now I have to reset it :)
[04:54] <Knowerrors> doh, save window size with profile wasn't checked ;)
[04:54] <Knowerrors> now it works
[04:54] <kkathman> pwn3r: yes
[04:54] <strike4ce> apokryphos: can you help me out?
[04:54] <apokryphos> strike4ce: with? And, have you asked in the channel?
[04:54] <kkathman> pwn3r: do the same thing I told Knowerrors ,  open Konq, configure the way you like it, then Settings-Save View as Web Browser.
[04:55] <strike4ce> apokryphos: no
[04:55] <pwn3r> ok thanks kkathman 
[04:55] <kkathman> np
[04:55] <strike4ce> apokryphos: im getting this message in terminal
[04:55] <strike4ce> apokryphos: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:55] <apokryphos> strike4ce: always better to ask the channel directly than to only one person
[04:55] <kkathman> I set this myself to use Konq as a file manager and open in a split window everytime
[04:55] <apokryphos> strike4ce: breezy-backports isn't out yet; remove the lines wiht breezy-backports from your repositories
[04:56] <strike4ce> apokryphos: ok
[04:57] <pwn3r> that works fine now (no more icons :P )
[04:59] <kkathman> pwn3r: excellent!!
[05:02] <pwn3r> if i add a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ will it be automaticly detected and included?
[05:09] <kkathman> hmmm
[05:09] <kkathman> a device driver?
[05:09] <pwn3r> yea i need to specify options for my tvcard
[05:10] <pwn3r> it isnt properly detected
[05:10] <kkathman> yah I didnt think so
[05:10] <kkathman> you might ask that question in #ubuntu and see if the techies there know
[05:11] <kkathman> or how you might get those options loaded
[05:11] <pwn3r> ok thanks, i was just adding it to the bottom of the alsa file in there and it was working
[05:11] <pwn3r> but it would be nice to know the right way
[05:12] <kkathman> kewl glad its at least working :)
[05:13] <strike4ce> ok can someone help me with this?
[05:13] <pwn3r> ask your question strike4ce 
[05:13] <strike4ce> Its ati module generator v 2.0
[05:13] <strike4ce> ok
[05:14] <strike4ce> pasting
[05:14] <TokenBad> ok question
[05:14] <TokenBad> I can't get to login
[05:14] <TokenBad> I am on kubuntu live now
[05:14] <TokenBad> to find out whats going on
[05:14] <kkathman> TokenBad: Tell us what you've done so far
[05:14] <strike4ce> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/gcc-3.4: No such file or directory
[05:14] <strike4ce> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/gcc-3.4: No such file or directory
[05:14] <strike4ce> ln: `./libfglrx_ip.a.GCC': File exists
[05:14] <strike4ce> make: *** [libfglrx_ip.a.GCC]  Error 1
[05:14] <strike4ce> build failed with return value 2
[05:14] <kkathman> just installed?
[05:15] <pwn3r> strike4ce: looks like you need to install gcc-3.4
[05:15] <kkathman> strike4ce: maybe you dont have the build-essentials, gcc, or g++
[05:15] <kkathman> yep
[05:15] <strike4ce> pwn3r: im following this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589&posted=1#post423589
[05:15] <strike4ce> ok how do I get them please?
[05:15] <kkathman> strike4ce: in the repos
[05:16] <kkathman> adept, kynaptic either
[05:16] <kkathman> in kynaptic its under "development"
[05:17] <strike4ce> kkathman: I'll try that thanx
[05:17] <kkathman> np
[05:17] <kkathman> I'
[05:17] <strike4ce> pwn3r: thanx
[05:17] <kkathman> I'll be back in a while...got company
[05:17] <pwn3r> see you
[05:18] <strike4ce> pwn3r: g++ 3.4 is that what I should install?
[05:18] <pwn3r> well if you use apt-get it would be called gcc-3.4
[05:19] <pwn3r> im not sure what any gui tools would call it, sounds right tho
[05:19] <pwn3r> er maybe not
[05:19] <pwn3r> did you miss any steps in that page you linked me to?
[05:20] <strike4ce> pwn3r: thats it
[05:20] <pwn3r> ok
[05:20] <strike4ce> pwn3r: Iwill start from scratch again
[05:20] <strike4ce> pwn3r: wont hurt will it?
[05:20] <pwn3r> well the one staep that says "sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4 module-assistant" is the one i think something may have happened
[05:20] <strike4ce> ok cool this ati driver stuff is difficult
[05:21] <pwn3r> yea my nvidia has been a royal pita as well
[05:24] <strike4ce> pwn3r: ahh i see now when I opened link it scrolled me down I was at the next post.  I already converted with alien
[05:24] <pwn3r> :)
[05:24] <pwn3r> no problem
[05:26] <strike4ce> pwn3r: on that site it gives this command;sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg #Select the ATI driver
[05:26] <pwn3r> yea
[05:27] <strike4ce> pwn3r: then reboot, Do I need to go thru it all the way or select ati then leave and reboot?
[05:27] <Knowerrors> does Kubuntu come with a firewall, if so how do I control/monitor it?
[05:27] <pwn3r> you should go all the way through
[05:27] <strike4ce> pwn3r: Im guessing I go thru the whole process
[05:27] <pwn3r> strike4ce: yep
[05:28] <pwn3r> Knowerrors: i do not think it comes with a firewall
[05:29] <pwn3r> Knowerrors: the only one i have tried is called 'firestarter'. Look on the ubuntuforums to see if there is a howto on there.
[05:29] <strike4ce> pwn3r: default right?
[05:29] <pwn3r> strike4ce: default for what?
[05:30] <Knowerrors> thats pretty sad if it doesn't come with one by default, being a supposed newbie friendly thats big security misstep
[05:31] <pwn3r> Knowerrors: have you looked for a howto on the subject? i suppose i should too :)
[05:32] <Knowerrors> looking now...
[05:42] <strike4ce> dpkg: error processing fglrx-control_8.18.6-1_i386.deb (--install):
[05:42] <strike4ce>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gnome/apps/fireglcontrol.desktop', which is also in package fglrx-6-8-0
[05:42] <strike4ce> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:42] <strike4ce>  fglrx-control_8.18.6-1_i386.deb
[05:42] <strike4ce> pwn3r: ok now im getting the above
[05:43] <pwn3r> hmm
[05:43] <regeya> dumb question: could a missing apm kernel module cause random lockups?
[05:43] <strike4ce> ohhh i think i know
[05:44] <Knowerrors> is dma enabled by default in 5.10?
[05:44] <strike4ce> pwn3r: more then one file with similar name so I deleted it
[05:44] <pwn3r> lol
[05:45] <pwn3r> im not sure if thats the best thing to du but ok
[05:45] <strike4ce> pwn3r: nope still same error
[05:46] <pwn3r> did you complete the step "Remove old fglrx driver" before starting?
[05:46] <strike4ce> yes
[05:47] <marc> how can su in kubuntu??
[05:47] <pwn3r> sorry strike4ce i dont have the same gfx card so i dont know how much help i can be with this
[05:48] <Drakeson> how can I use the breezy live cd/dvd to just install grub on mbr
[05:48] <pwn3r> i would suggest searching the forums and making a new post if you find nothing that helps
[05:48] <pwn3r> @ strike4ce 
[05:48] <strike4ce> I dont see thta gnome file on my desktop?
[05:49] <strike4ce> @ pwn3r
[05:50] <pwn3r> strike4ce: which gnome file are you talking about
[05:50] <strike4ce> pwn3r: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gnome/apps/fireglcontrol.desktop
[05:50] <pwn3r> strike4ce: ah yea sorry
[05:50] <pwn3r> strike4ce: i see now
[05:51] <strike4ce> pwn3r:  Know how to get rid of it?
[05:52] <pwn3r> strike4ce: there is a option to force overwriting files for dpkg
[05:52] <pwn3r> strike4ce: im not sure if i should reccomend it tho
[05:53] <neoncode> Err I have a question or two about amaroK...
[05:53] <strike4ce> pwn3r: i just deleted it lol no I will try again
[05:53] <pwn3r> strike4ce:  ok :)
[05:53] <gubatron> neoncode, me too
[05:54] <gubatron> neoncode, do you have an ipod?
[05:54] <neoncode> Nope I have a Creative zen xtra
[05:54] <strike4ce> pwn3r: How do I overwrite?
[05:54] <gubatron> neoncode, the amarok that comes with the latest kubuntu just closes it self after reaching a 100% when sending files to the ipod
[05:54] <neoncode> I haven't tryed to get it to work yet though... it pretty low on my list of priorites...
[05:55] <pwn3r> strike4ce: with the "--force-overwrite" option for dpkg
[05:55] <pwn3r> strike4ce: be careful it doesnt overwrite anything importand :)
[05:56] <neoncode> I carn't get amaroK to play local media files, it can play CD's just fine and when I attempt to play mp3's it has a litte popup saying that GStreamer carn't play them...
[05:56] <strike4ce> pwn3r: i have some kind of program called ati control.  That is what is causing the problem.  I wonder how I can remove it?
[05:57] <pwn3r> strike4ce: how did you install it?
[05:57] <strike4ce> pwn3r: not sure?
[05:57] <strike4ce> pwn3r: can it be removed thru adept maybe?
[05:57] <pwn3r> strike4ce: if thats how it was installed then yes
[05:57] <strike4ce> pwn3r: lol?
[05:58] <pwn3r> strike4ce: sudo apt-get remove package-name
[05:59] <neoncode> Anyone got any help?
[05:59] <strike4ce> pwn3r: no go
[05:59] <strike4ce> pwn3r: its an application
[06:00] <gubatron> neoncode, I have the same problem on my sister's computer. I could solve it on my laptop by changing the GStreamer engine to use alsasink
[06:00] <gubatron> neoncode, however on her desktop, still having the same problem
[06:00] <gubatron> Anyone actually uses Totem? It seems to be a great drawback for KDE, VLC should be included as the default player, not totem, that player plays nothing
[06:01] <neoncode> gubatron: nope, i'm already useing alsasink with GStreamer in amaroK setting page...
[06:01] <pwn3r> strike4ce: sorry im getting out of my area of expertise, 
[06:02] <gubatron> neoncode, I guess I ended up downloading someting else, did you look in synaptic for 'mp3' to see what it has to offer, maybe there are some mp3 libraries that you don't have installed yet
[06:03] <strike4ce> Any experts here?
[06:03] <neoncode> I have k3b-mp3 but it's not just Mp3's excudeing CD's amaroK cannot play ANY local file...
[06:04] <pwn3r> strike4ce: sorry i cant help more but i have to go 
[06:04] <strike4ce> pwn3r:  one more thing how do i use force command?
[06:04] <pwn3r> strike4ce: what do you mean? for dpkg?
[06:05] <strike4ce> pwn3r: yes and install
[06:05] <pwn3r> strike4ce: for example: "sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i fglrx-control_8.18.6-1_i386.deb"
[06:06] <pwn3r> strike4ce: i think thats how it works, i havent needed it myself yet though
[06:06] <quam> are usb devices an issue in kubuntu/ubuntu? my usb flash drive will work if i plug it in after boot, but my mice (i've tried 2, one wireless, one not) have to be plugged in at boot to work.  sometimes if i unplug my usb wireless adapter, it'll freeze the whole system
[06:07] <Octane> anyone know if kde 3.5 kubuntu packages are out for amd64
[06:09] <Knowerrors> when I go to system settings in kde, and click on administrator mode, it asks for the sudo passwd, when I want it to ask for root, how do I change that?
[06:13] <neoncode> Yay! I got it amaroK to play stuff! I used adept to install kynaptic and then used kynaptic to install Gstreamer0.8-mad then I restarted the soundserver and it worked!!!
[06:17] <gubatron> neoncode, awesome, so you updated your Gstreamer
[06:17] <gubatron> let me try that too
[06:19] <strike4ce> anyone know how to force remove ati control panel?
[06:20] <strike4ce> or just remove?
[06:25] <neoncode> gubatron: but now it only plays mp3's I'm just gonna find every GStreamer related pakatge on kynaptic and install the lot... that might help...
[06:53] <djperegrine> I just tried to install kubuntu
[06:54] <djperegrine> I have a hp pavilion zv5000
[06:54] <djperegrine> and it said I needed a 32-bit system
[06:54] <djperegrine> mine is 64-bit
[07:26] <SillyCone> Does anyone know why KDE might restart when trying to run a GL screensaver or XMMS visualization plugin?
[07:39] <pwn3r> is anyone here familier with bttv and bt878 drivers?
[07:57] <richardc> hey
[07:59] <pwn3r> hi richardc 
[08:00] <richardc> i ran systemsttings in console, to get an error message about why i cant switch to administrator mode
[08:00] <richardc> and this is what i get
[08:00] <richardc> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/401663
[08:01] <richardc> does anyone know how i can fix the problem
[08:03] <quam> richard, try sudo systemsettings?
[08:03] <el-stupido> nah
[08:03] <el-stupido> if yer in the home dir dont need to sudo
[08:03] <el-stupido> what are you tryijng to do?
[08:03] <quam> wtf does being in the home dir have to do with sudo
[08:03] <quam> the point of sudo is to have root access :P
[08:04] <el-stupido> lol
[08:04] <richardc> quam: that works, but its only a workaround
[08:04] <el-stupido> point is systemsettings runs w/o sudo
[08:04] <richardc> know how i can fix it?
[08:04] <quam> stupido: oh :P yeah, it does :P 
[08:05] <el-stupido> hehe
[08:05] <richardc> i appreciate it though
[08:05] <el-stupido> richardc: what are you trying to do>?
[08:05] <quam> richardc: permanently, no. i don't use systemsettings that often, so im ok with using a workaround once, getting everything how i need it, then not using it again until i need to change something :P
[08:05] <richardc> el-stupido: get the admistrator mode button in system settings to work
[08:06] <quam> administrator mode in kubuntu 5.04 was a pain in the ass like that too
[08:06] <quam> in fact, nothing that needed root access worked when i had just installed kubuntu from cd, only when i installed ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop packages
[08:07] <quam> with hoary i mean
[08:08] <richardc> hmm
[08:26] <el-stupido> where can I find the logs for a game?
[08:30] <_mat_> hello
[08:31] <_mat_> this is my first timeon irc
[08:31] <_mat_> woohoooooo
[08:31] <_mat_> is anybody out there?????
[08:51] <Chameleon22> i am configuring nagios and noticed that when I break something ... eg status critical , alert mail/sms send mail messages get frozen in the mail queue. So for example message comes in ... 9m  1.5K 1ETD4E-0005i0-1v <from@email.com>   but after a while from email address gets deleted and message frozen:  1ETD4E-0005i0-1v <> *** frozen ***  and ideas why this is happening?
[09:20] <azertyuuu> hey all, what's the difference between Nvidia Driver and nvidia LEGACY driver ? Both start at boot, can i diable 1 of them ?
[09:27] <pagux> hi folks
[09:27] <pagux> no firefox in kubuntu ?
[09:32] <azertyuuu> no
[09:32] <azertyuuu> but easy downloadable with Adept 
[09:32] <azertyuuu> how can i change the menu-style, menu editor is not what i'm looking for, it's somthing else
[09:44] <ztonzy> hey
[09:49] <el-stupido> is tar.gz same as tar.bz2?
[09:49] <ztonzy> el-stupido, no
[09:50] <ztonzy> tar.bz2 is needed by the command/binary  'bunzip2'
[09:50] <ztonzy> el-stupido, check with 'man bunzip2'  in a terminal
[09:50] <el-stupido> so but i can unzip it right? 
[09:51] <ztonzy> el-stupido, in kde there's probably built in support in a contextmenu if you RMB click the file
[09:51] <el-stupido> so bzcat -xf filename will unzip it?
[09:51] <ztonzy> RMB = right mouse button
[09:51] <ztonzy> el-stupido, bzcat ?
[09:52] <ztonzy> try bunzip2 <extra paramteres here> filenamehere
[09:52] <el-stupido> whats the command to unzip it?
[09:52] <ztonzy> el-stupido, I typed it 2 times already LOL
[09:52] <ztonzy> el-stupido, the command is:  ' bunzip2 '
[09:52] <ztonzy> in terminal
[09:52] <el-stupido> thankyou ztonzy  sorry lol i didnt read it i need to highlight my nick
[09:52] <el-stupido> lol
[09:53] <ztonzy> el-stupido, hehe...need some coffee ;) ?
[09:53] <el-stupido> ztonzy: yeah.. could help lol
[09:54] <el-stupido> my left nostrils making a buzzing sound when i breathe out
[09:54] <el-stupido> lol
[09:54] <ztonzy> el-stupido, but...I havent tried the bzcat thing before...better read the manual (you) if you want full support)
[09:55] <ztonzy> el-stupido, ack! same here...almost...well been home for 2 days because of my cold
[09:55] <el-stupido> ztonzy: i read the man bzcat apparently unzips and sends output to sdout
[09:55] <el-stupido> ztonzy:  thats bad.. its a "cold" wave lol.. almost everyone here in my city is sniffing
[09:55] <ztonzy> el-stupido, we must hope it isn't the birdflue :-O
[09:56] <el-stupido> gah!
[09:56] <el-stupido> ztonzy: hope not lol.. 
[09:56] <ztonzy> hehe
[09:56] <el-stupido> ztonzy: tho i doubt here in India anyone will diagnose it as that till theres bout a 100,000 dead
[09:56] <el-stupido> lol
[09:57] <ztonzy> el-stupido, I were at the Blender Conference in Amsterdam last weekend...and being there makes you be up late...being social...drinking beers and what ever...and you sleep to little,..in the end you get a cold (as all times after that conference LOL)
[09:57] <ztonzy> el-stupido, eeeww
[09:58] <el-stupido> ztonzy: ahh.. i'm Indian 
[09:58] <el-stupido> ztonzy: whats a Blender Conference (never used a Blender meself lol)
[09:58] <el-stupido> ztonzy: smoking pot too?? lol
[09:59] <ztonzy> el-stupido, worlds most famous Open Source 3D application ;)
[09:59] <ztonzy> www.blender.org 
[09:59] <ztonzy> pot ? :O
[09:59] <ztonzy> never
[09:59] <el-stupido> YEAH RIGHT
[09:59] <el-stupido> lol
[10:00] <ztonzy> el-stupido, you dont belive me...I would never...beers and drinks are enough for me
[10:00] <el-stupido> ztonzy: just kidding mate.. lol anyways Blender seems good
[10:01] <ztonzy> el-stupido, so did you manage to extract the file(s) ?
[10:01] <el-stupido> ztonzy: can I use it for CAD?
[10:01] <ztonzy> el-stupido, hehe...you never know
[10:01] <ztonzy> el-stupido, hmm no...not for CAD, but you can use of for visualize the enviroment/object in use
[10:01] <el-stupido> ztonzy: hehe well. . i didnt have to .. a friend needs it to install KPPP on his Mandrake m/c and set up a dialer account
[10:01] <ztonzy> el-stupido, check the official gallery
[10:02] <el-stupido> ztonzy: ahh okay.. lets say i have QCAD can i export the design to Blender to view it?
[10:02] <ztonzy> el-stupido, ok
[10:02] <el-stupido> ok
[10:02] <ztonzy> el-stupido, hmm...dont know if there's exporter for it...I can ask
[10:02] <spiral> hi
[10:02] <el-stupido> ztonzy: okay
[10:03] <el-stupido> ztonzy: you a pro gaphic designer?
[10:03] <ztonzy> el-stupido, no...I am a hobbiest...never managed to get a job in media...quite difficult to find such job 
[10:06] <frank23> hello and good night
[10:07] <ztonzy> or goodmorning
[10:08] <azertyuuu> hey all, what was the name of the prog to CHANGE the munu-STYLE  (not the menu-editor)
[10:09] <frank23> 4am here.  good night for me! ;-)
[10:09] <che_benway> Hi. Just installed clam av. Does anyone know how to run it?
[10:10] <frank23> che_benway: its mostly useless if you run only linux
[10:10] <che_benway> oh? Why is that?
[10:11] <azertyuuu> because there are almost no virusses for linux 
[10:12] <azertyuuu> it is stable as a rock
[10:12] <fate143> so what the hell is up with the picture on kubuntu.org?
[10:12] <fate143> that woman
[10:12] <fate143> she's creeping the hell out of me
[10:12] <fate143> she's got that smug ass look on her face
[10:13] <che_benway> frank23:  thanks. But just for reference how do I run programs that don't appear in the K menu? Or how do i make them appear in the menu so that I can simply click
[10:13] <fate143> does anyone else know what picture I'm talking about?
[10:13] <azertyuuu> hey all, what was the name of the prog to CHANGE the munu-STYLE  (not the menu-editor)
[10:14] <fate143> who's in charge of the content on that website?
[10:14] <fate143> I demand to speak with that person
[10:14] <azertyuuu> hey all, what was the name of the prog to CHANGE the munu-STYLE  (not the menu-editor)
[10:14] <aftertaf> lol fate143 :)
[10:14] <shogouki> azertyuuu: dont flood
[10:14] <azertyuuu> sorry
[10:14] <fate143> somebody must answer for this
[10:15] <fate143> how can I read the website with that THING on there?
[10:18] <pwn3r> fate143: close your eyes. oh wait... nm
[10:19] <fate143> pwn3r: I think I'm going to have to resort to more drastic measures
[10:19] <pwn3r> azertyuuu: i think you will have to be more descriptive with your question.
[10:19] <fate143> *opens adblock*
[10:20] <mcp_dk> hey all
[10:20] <mcp_dk> anybody know of a good image resizing tool for Linux?? 
[10:20] <mcp_dk> prefferably one that can do a batch of files
[10:21] <pwn3r> the gimp :)
[10:21] <pwn3r> possibly
[10:21] <mcp_dk> used to use Irfanview in windows
[10:21] <mcp_dk> can Gimp do batch resizing ?
[10:21] <pwn3r> ill check 
[10:21] <johndilley> mcp_dk: imagemagick is the standard package for that IIRC
[10:22] <mcp_dk> is that commandline based ?
[10:22] <johndilley> yeah
[10:22] <mcp_dk> is it difficult ?
[10:23] <mcp_dk> hears somwherethat Konqueror could do it as well but i haven't found that function in my version
[10:25] <johndilley> I don't think it's too difficult, though it's ages since I've used it
[10:25] <hater2win> proftpd or vsftpd? which is better, which should i use?
[10:25] <mcp_dk> okay i will give it a shot. From the website it looks not too hard.
[10:25] <mcp_dk> thanks
[10:28] <bloto> yo
[10:31] <SillyCone> hi, how can I configure my system so that when I open a window, it opens maximized?
[10:32] <whistler> here is my fstab entry /dev/hda5       /home/toxix/hardas auto umask=777       0       0  
[10:32] <whistler> any ideas of whats wrong herE?
[10:32] <SillyCone> i figured out how to remember settings for specific programs, but is there an option to maximize all windows by default?
[10:33] <fate143> hater2win: WTF bitch, where's my money?
[10:33] <SillyCone> whistler, specify file system type
[10:33] <Hobbsee> fate143: language
[10:33] <whistler> ext3
[10:33] <_hater2win> fate143:  i took your mom out for dinner
[10:33] <_hater2win> and spent the last 5 bucks on condoms
[10:34] <_hater2win> we didnt end up using them though
[10:34] <fate143> _hater2win: fuck you, I'm gonna go over and kick the shit out of you
[10:34] <_seezer> SillyCone: don't know if there is a global setting, but most programms do or allow 'save window orientation/size'. so just open it once, maximize and next time it should open maximized.
[10:34] <fate143> _hater2win: now where the hell is my money?
[10:35] <SillyCone> whistler, try /dev/hda5     /home/toxix/hardas  ext3  umask=777       0       0  
[10:35] <_hater2win> fate143: wtf, eat a dick bitch, i dont know you
[10:35] <whistler> i tryed
[10:35] <_hater2win> you are a bastard child
[10:35] <whistler> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5,
[10:35] <whistler>        missing codepage or other error
[10:35] <_hater2win> your mom should have swallowed you
[10:35] <whistler>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[10:35] <whistler>        dmesg | tail  or so
[10:35] <whistler> i get this
[10:35] <whistler> *sorry for flood
[10:36] <whistler> so what can i do?
[10:36] <fate143> _hater2win: fucking taco bender, why don't you go back to Mexico
[10:36] <SillyCone> whistler, what is the problem with this entry? what kind of error r u getting?
[10:36] <aftertaf> :ops
[10:36] <whistler> i pasted
[10:36] <aftertaf> !ops
[10:36] <ubotu> rumour has it, ops is Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[10:36] <whistler> sillycone few lines up
[10:36] <_hater2win> fate143: because in mexico its legal to kill idiots like you
[10:36] <Hobbsee> hehe...was hoping there was a factoid for that aftertaf
[10:37] <fate143> _hater2win: leave your mom here though, she can work the streets and send money orders back
[10:37] <_hater2win> fate143: and even if it wasn't id find a way
[10:37] <SillyCone> whistler, is there any data on this partition? try to reformat it
[10:38] <whistler> SillyCone yes there is.And ubuntu can use it
[10:38] <whistler> but kubuntu cant
[10:38] <whistler> cause in setup i selected to not to mount it
[10:38] <aftertaf> thoreauputic, can you op?
[10:38] <SillyCone> whistler, hm, i dont know then :)
[10:38] <fate143> fate143: it isn't legal, the cops are just too busy being fucking lazy ass beaners
[10:38] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: for a while - I have to go soon
[10:38] <fate143> *hater2win
[10:38] <_hater2win> LOL
[10:38] <fate143> _hater2win: fucking bastard
[10:39] <aftertaf> you get that pm thoreauputic ?
[10:39] <_hater2win> fate143: hey, leave the mexicans alone, they make good food
[10:39] <fate143> _hater2win: go suck a cock you dirty fucking Mexican
[10:39] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: yup hang on a tic
[10:39] <aftertaf> fate143, _hater2win end of conversation
[10:39] <SillyCone> whistler, try ext3 instead of auto and defaults instead of umask
[10:40] <nalioth> gentlemen please be civil
[10:40] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: sorry I don't have ops in #kubuntu
[10:40] <aftertaf> crud
[10:40] <Hobbsee> ugh
[10:40] <Hobbsee> please tell me that someone who isnt idle has ops!
[10:41] <thoreauputic> aftertaf:  /msg nalioth
[10:41] <fate143> lol
[10:41] <crimsun> /ignore fate143 
[10:41] <fate143> that was hillarious
[10:41] <Hobbsee> nalioth: has no ops in kubuntu either
[10:41] <thoreauputic> sorry nalioth
[10:41] <fate143> I can't believe no one was here to kick us out
[10:41] <whistler> Sillycone thx defaults helped
[10:41] <thoreauputic> !ops
[10:41] <ubotu> ops is, like, totally, Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[10:42] <fate143> so when do I get to get kicked out?
[10:42] <aftertaf> for ubuntu only
[10:42] <nalioth> thoreauputic: that factoid only works for ubuntu
[10:42] <crimsun> fate143: nothing to see here, move along.
[10:42] <fate143> damn...
[10:43] <fate143> so why doesn't the Ubuntu team write ISOs that are made for 700mb discs?
[10:43] <fate143> I mean, who uses those crappy 650 ones anymore?
[10:43] <crimsun> a lot of people
[10:44] <_hater2win> fate143: all us beaners who can't afford 700 mb ones
[10:45] <fate143> they don't even make 650 ones anymore
[10:45] <fate143> and why did you have the _ in front of your name?
[10:45] <fate143> and why am I not asking you this on the phone...
[10:47] <fate143> I ran out of CD-RWs
[10:47] <fate143> I mean CD-Rs
[10:47] <fate143> and only have these scratched up CD-RWs
[10:47] <fate143> which don't seem to work too well
[10:47] <fate143> what can I do?
[10:47] <fate143> I need to put Kubuntu on tonight
[10:48] <el-stupido> ztonzy: you still there?
[10:48] <ztonzy> el-stupido, hey yes
[10:48] <el-stupido> ok.. my friend extracted the tar.bz2 file
[10:48] <el-stupido> ztonzy: now how do i install it?
[10:48] <ztonzy> uh
[10:49] <ztonzy> el-stupido, no idea how the content of the file/directory is
[10:49] <el-stupido> hmm
[10:53] <fate143> !?!?!?
[10:53] <ubotu> I don't know, fate143
[10:53] <fate143> !I love you
[10:53] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, fate143
[10:54] <fate143> !ubotu
[10:54] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on this channel! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my databanks on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:54] <fate143> !entertainment
[10:54] <ubotu> fate143: Are you on ritalin?
[10:54] <azertyuuu> !entertainment
[10:55] <fate143> !entertainment
[10:55] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, fate143
[10:55] <fate143> !entertainment
[10:55] <fate143> !entertainment
[10:55] <fate143> what the hell
[10:55] <fate143> it doesn't answer that often
[10:55] <fate143> !erase
[10:55] <ubotu> fate143: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:55] <fate143> !delete
[10:55] <ubotu> fate143: Do they come in packets of five?
[10:56] <fate143> !ieatpeople
[10:56] <ubotu> Wish i knew, fate143
[10:56] <fate143> !random
[10:57] <fate143> !random
[10:57] <pwn3r> !kicktroll fate143
[10:57] <ubotu> pwn3r: Are you smoking crack?
[10:57] <fate143> lol
[10:58] <fate143> I started asking it questions in a private chat
[10:58] <fate143> so as not to bother everyone
[10:58] <fate143> it doesn't seem to like to talk
[11:03] <azertyuuu> can you help me, i need to change the menustyle , but not with the "Menu Editor" , there was someting else
[11:04] <johndilley> what about the menu style?
[11:09] <azertyuuu> johndilleys, i want all the applications in my menu
[11:09] <iceman> in flood 
[11:12] <roguejedix> Hello
[11:13] <johndilley> azertyuuu: then I think menu editor is the only way to do that, but I may be wrong
[11:13] <azertyuuu> yes, but if you set to "complete" , you can not change the style anymore, i'm stucked
[11:14] <roguejedix> Does anyone have an idea why amaroK won't play mp3s properly? They all sound garbled, but when I tried them via Knoppix they were fine
[11:25] <asraniel> question, will the bug that konqueror crashes on webpages with videos, be fixed? is there a workaround?
[11:29] <fate143> asraniel: there is no such bug
[11:29] <fate143> asraniel: at least to my knowledge there isn't
[11:29] <asraniel> fate143, sure there is, wait
[11:30] <asraniel> fate143: go on the webpage www.mediamarkt.ch
[11:30] <fate143> asraniel: Konqueror opens up Kaffeine when a video file needs to be played
[11:30] <fate143> asraniel: Kaffeine uses Gstreamer
[11:30] <fate143> asraniel: gstreamer crashes
[11:30] <asraniel> yes, and kaffeine crashes, and so does konqueror
[11:30] <fate143> ok well, that isn't a problem with Konqueror
[11:30] <fate143> that's a problem with gstreamer
[11:30] <asraniel> ok, then gstreamer crashes, to point is that at the end konqueror crashes
[11:31] <fate143> and possibly a problem with you
[11:31] <roguejedix> Actually, I'ce set mine to use xine and it still crashes
[11:31] <roguejedix> *I've
[11:31] <fate143> since you may not have the proper codecs installed
[11:31] <fate143> I've never had that problem
[11:31] <fate143> I use Breezy
[11:31] <roguejedix> Ditto
[11:31] <fate143> and I can watch embedded video
[11:31] <asraniel> well, for me as a user its still a konqueror/kubuntu bug
[11:31] <fate143> asraniel: track down the real source
[11:31] <fate143> asraniel: it doesn't help developers if you complain about a bug that isn't there's to deal with
[11:32] <roguejedix> So, any idea about that mp3 thing?
[11:32] <asraniel> fate143: easy, i know that, already reading the bugzilla
[11:33] <asraniel> fate143: at least im not the only one: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17335
[11:33] <Toxix> hello
[11:34] <Toxix> how to install java??
[11:34] <Corvus> "java" is installed by default
[11:35] <seaLne> !restrictedformats
[11:35] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[11:36] <seaLne> Toxix: ^
[11:36] <Toxix> how to install java plug-in??
[11:37] <roguejedix> Toxix: 1: Click on that long blue thing with letters. 2: Read.
[11:56] <tenco> hi! how can i import my old konqueror bookmarks?
[11:59] <fate143> by not using Konqueror
[11:59] <fate143> it's gay
[12:00] <pwn3r> ./ignore that guy. trollin all nite
[12:08] <hater2win> lol
[12:09] <el-stupido> how do i find out the kernel version?
[12:10] <pwn3r> uname -r
[12:10] <el-stupido> k
[12:12] <fate143> pwn3r: I've been "trolling" have I?
[12:12] <hater2win> fate143:  yeah you fucking troll ass
[12:12] <fate143> hater2win: stfu loser
[12:12] <hater2win> fate143: i bet you have a giant diamond in your stomach dont you
[12:12] <hater2win> fate143: and you guard a bridge
[12:12] <hater2win> fate143: cuz you're a fucking troll
[12:13] <hater2win> fate143: you trolling asshat.
[12:13] <fate143> hater2win: I bet you smell like beans and love taking siestas. Because you're a fucking beaner.
[12:14] <hater2win> fate143: i bet you smell like a dirty whore because that's what your embryonic sac was surrounded by
[12:14] <Benavent> hola buenas
[12:14] <Benavent> como puedo saber la MAC de mi portatil?
[12:14] <fate143> hater2win: oh look, it's one of your bretherin
[12:15] <fate143> hater2win: maybe you can talk to him in the rat language
[12:15] <apokryphos> what's the problem?
[12:15] <apokryphos> nalioth: ?
[12:15] <fate143> we're just messing around
[12:15] <hater2win> Benavent: tip 192.168.1.1 en su browser
[12:15] <fate143> nothing much to do
[12:15] <nalioth> apokryphos: read your pm from me, please
[12:15] <hater2win> tipo*
[12:15] <fate143> lol
[12:15] <fate143> I think we're about to be kicked
[12:15] <nalioth> fate143: i'd leave now
[12:16] <fate143> oh this sucks
[12:16] <fate143> you can't blame me for being bored...
[12:16] <hater2win> nalioth: im leavin im leavin
[12:20] <apokryphos> and guys, the !ops command isn't the same at all here ;-). I'll make a new !kops now
[12:20] <cyne> greetings
[12:20] <nalioth> apokryphos: doesnt matter if there's no ops around
[12:21] <apokryphos> sure, but it does if there are
[12:21] <nalioth> most of the ops in the access list dont even come online anymore
[12:22] <apokryphos> actually, most of them do, but some don't
[12:23] <bubblenut> Hey,
[12:23] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hi =)
[12:23] <bubblenut> what line should I use in my fstab for an ntfs partition?
[12:23] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hi
[12:24] <apokryphos> how's it going?
[12:24] <ztonzy> apokryphos, me? it is okej,,,have had a bad cold...
[12:25] <apokryphos> eek
[12:25] <nalioth> ubotu: tell bubblenut about ntfs
[12:26] <bubblenut> cheers nalioth
[12:27] <nikkia> morning apokryphos
[12:28] <apokryphos> mownin'
[12:28] <apokryphos> nikkia: not here for all the action? ;-)
[12:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: how you doin' today?
[12:29] <nikkia> not great
[12:34] <nalioth> nikkia: you missed all the scatologicaly uncivilized action
[12:36] <bubblenut> anyone know where I can find a list of all the fstab options and what they mean?
[12:39] <nalioth> bubblenut: open a terminal and type "man fstab"
[12:39] <rysiek> hello guys
[12:41] <rysiek> I am quite fed up with the fact, that under (K)Ubuntu, wich uses already libqt3-mt, almost all the programs I'm trying to compile will tell me that they need qt-mt installed - just because somebody forgot to make the ./configure script check both for libqt3c102-mt AND libqt3-mt
[12:41] <rysiek> anybody knows a walk-around?
[12:45] <libben> anyone tried dapper repos yet?
[12:46] <rysiek> darkness I see here ;)
[12:47] <rysiek> gtg, cu guys
[12:53] <buz> W: GPG error: http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[12:55] <buz> is that an error with that repo or a more general one (i think it actually points to the UK servers anyway)?
[12:55] <_mariux> which subpixelhinting should i use (if at all) on my laptop?
[12:55] <buz> _mariux: thats hard to say ;9
[12:55] <_mariux> im guessing not rgb since lcd's dont have that
[12:56] <buz> subpixel hinting IS for lcd
[12:56] <buz> you need to figure out how your pixels are aligned
[12:56] <_mariux> it is?
[12:56] <nikkia> _mariux: LCD's are RGB
[12:56] <buz> yes
[12:56] <_mariux> thought it was for crts?
[12:56] <buz> because lcds have 3 subpixels for each "pixel"
[12:56] <Hobbsee> !tell buz about gpgerr
[12:56] <nikkia> TFT is literally a transistor per subpixel
[12:56] <hettar> rgb is what I use on my asus laptop
[12:56] <_mariux> since they actually have rgb
[12:56] <_mariux> hmm
[12:57] <nikkia> _mariux: what did you THINK LCDs used if not RGB ?
[12:57] <_mariux> well, it seems to me like they dont have subpixels
[12:58] <buz> you need better eyes then ;)
[12:58] <_mariux> as i cant really see them like on my crt
[12:58] <nikkia> _mariux: they're there, 3 small transistors on a film (assuming its TFT :)
[12:58] <buz> on 19" i can see them because of their sucky dpi
[12:58] <_mariux> :)
[12:58] <buz> on a 100+ dpi display i cant
[12:59] <_mariux> i have a 1400x1050 15"
[12:59] <Hobbsee> buz:  from which kde to which?
[12:59] <nikkia> (and i know that TFT isn't LCD, but most displays are TFT today, and people still call them LCD)
[01:00] <buz> Hobbsee: 3.5b2 to breezy ;)
[01:00] <Hobbsee> buz: happen to have gnome on you?
[01:00] <buz> not installed
[01:00] <_mariux> buz: and it works great?
[01:00] <nikkia> buz, the reason you can't see them, isn't actually DPI...
[01:00] <buz> why not? smaller pixels are harder to see
[01:00] <Hobbsee> buz: in theory, what you can do is remove kde, edit your sources list with nano, and then install kubuntu-desktop
[01:01] <_mariux> i once heard someone say you shouldnt use AA on lcd
[01:01] <nikkia> buz, the reason you don't see subpixels on a flat panel, is simply because there isn't a big grid around the pixels, the transitors, or liquid crystal elements, are right up next to each other
[01:01] <Hobbsee> buz: in practice, that gets a little hard, in trying to uninstall kde
[01:01] <_mariux> but i tried turning it off now and omg how ugly :)
[01:01] <buz> nikkia: try looking at an OLD (maybe 2000 or so) LCD, you will see the grid if you try hard enough
[01:01] <_mariux> hmm, i just installed a new freetype and it seems it made my fonts uglier
[01:02] <buz> with more recent ones it's much harder
[01:02] <nikkia> buz, i had a TFT in 2000, but older than that, its probably possible, yes
[01:02] <_mariux> to try to find a kde bug
[01:02] <buz> mhh deinstalling kde is a pain
[01:03] <buz> i'd be fine with 3.5b2 if i could fix amarok at least
[01:03] <nikkia> buz, if you have a 640x480 or 800x600 flat panel that's at a decent size, of course its pixels are going to be bigger, which means either the subpixels will be spaced out more, or bigger
[01:03] <buz> on the plus side, hal works in 3.5b2 ;)
[01:03] <Hobbsee> buz: what's up with amarok?
[01:03] <buz> nikkia: exactly. which is why i said with low dpi displays ;)
[01:03] <Hobbsee> tell it to use another engine, and you shouldnt have a problem
[01:04] <buz> Hobbsee: it doesnt even show me the gui since i updated to 3.5b2
[01:04] <buz> just silently crashes
[01:04] <nikkia> buz, yes, but the difference between a CRT and LCD isn't because of the DPI, its because of the shadow mask
[01:04] <buz> i know that
[01:04] <Hobbsee> buz: which crashes?  artsd or amarok?
[01:04] <buz> amarok
[01:04] <buz> kaffeine can play mp3 just fine
[01:04] <buz> but it sucks as player
[01:04] <hettar> artsd crashes for me.
[01:04] <buz> well that one crashes, too ;
[01:05] <buz> but i'm not terribly worried about it
[01:05] <hettar> So I disabled it and use alsa directly
[01:05] <buz> exactly
[01:05] <hettar> then amarok works fine
[01:05] <buz> in 3.5b2?
[01:05] <hettar> yeah
[01:05] <buz> weird i cant even get the gui to show up
[01:05] <buz> maybe trash amarok config completely ;)
[01:06] <buz> find . -name "amarok*" | xargs rm -rf helped it seems ;)
[01:06] <buz> now of course my collection is gone but that doesnt matter too much
[01:07] <neoncode> can gstreamer play wmv's?
[01:07] <hettar> some of them
[01:07] <neoncode> some?
[01:07] <buz> older ones
[01:07] <buz> wmv10 probably not
[01:07] <neoncode> why?
[01:07] <hettar> yeah some work fine, others don't. I think it is the MS DRM crap
[01:07] <buz> likely so
[01:08] <neoncode> trust micro$uck to do that
[01:08] <buz> then again, wmv is a totally f***** codec anyhow
[01:08] <hettar> true true. It is pretty shitty
[01:09] <buz> hettar: what engine do you use for amarok? xine? gst?
[01:09] <neoncode> I have a tone of videos in wmv i'll have to convert it..
[01:09] <buz> dont do that
[01:09] <hettar> gstreamer -> ALSA at the moment
[01:09] <buz> the quality will get much worse even
[01:09] <buz> which one needs the least cpu? gstreamer?
[01:09] <hettar> gstreamer is very nice I find
[01:10] <buz> i think amarok needs shitloads of cpu anyway
[01:10] <Hobbsee> buz: probably aplay :P
[01:10] <hettar> uses about 3% here
[01:10] <buz> sometimes it just sits thereplaying some mp3 and eats 20% of my 2.8ghz machine :(
[01:10] <buz> (and no, i'm not feeding it to arts)
[01:11] <hettar> and thats with the cpu stepped down to 800MHz
[01:11] <buz> something's wrong here
[01:11] <hettar> buz: Is it building your albums ?
[01:11] <buz> right now it is. but when i looked at top it wasnt
[01:12] <buz> i dont care if it eats all my cpu when it scans the collection ;)
[01:12] <hettar> It does eat my CPU on occasion. Usually after I have had it playing a net stream for a few hours
[01:14] <Hobbsee> buz: you can comment on it on the wiki
[01:14] <buz> well at least it doesnt crash every 30min like 1.2.3 did for me ;)
[01:16] <buz> all in all, amarok is one of the better media players out there
[01:16] <buz> sure as hell like it better than itunes
[01:16] <cyne> anyone else here use dosbox?
[01:17] <buz> another thing, how do people update dvd burner firmware if the vendor only provides some windows flash thingy?
[01:17] <buz> i dont want to install winwoes just to flash my burner
[01:23] <Corvus> i don't think anyone has tried to update hw under wine...
[01:24] <chimaera> hi
[01:24] <chimaera> when i try to strt kooka, i get the following:
[01:24] <chimaera> $ kooka
[01:24] <chimaera> *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x10215990 ***
[01:24] <chimaera> Alarm clock
[01:35] <brizzio> hello
[01:36] <MaliciAAa> je voudrais le unbuntu francais please
[01:36] <Hobbsee> !fr
[01:36] <ubotu> well, fr is Va a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[01:37] <MaliciAAa> merci
[01:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:37] <MaliciAAa> Hobbsee:  c sympa
[01:37] <shogouki> MaliciAAa: on est sur #kubuntu-fr
[01:43] <PtitOurs> how can i see all channels ?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> PtitOurs: /list
[01:45] <Hobbsee> but it's a very, very long list!
[01:45] <nalioth_zZz> PtitOurs: and hope you got big pipes
[01:53] <roguejedix> Does Kaffeine crash for anyone when trying to open a second file?
[01:56] <kinomees_> :)
[02:04] <tenco> is knode borken?
[02:04] <tenco> i cannot connect to a local leafnode server with it, but tin works
[02:05] <neil> hi i want to swith to 5.10 but dont know where to find a new source.list, any link ? thx
[02:05] <Hobbsee> !tell neil about repositories
[02:05] <neil> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> no problems neil :)
[02:06] <Riddell> kalle1?  not the kalle?
[02:07] <tenco> knode gives also an error when i start it from the commandline:
[02:07] <tenco> kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action.
[02:08] <blippo> hi, i changed from utf8 to iso8859-15 but evolution keeps writing filenames in utf8 i think i missed something
[02:08] <chimaera> tenco: i'm using latest knode from breezy, no problems here (using  the gmane-server)
[02:08] <blippo> any idea
[02:09] <Chousuke> blippo: where did you change from UTF-8 to iso?
[02:09] <blippo> i ran dpkg reconfigure locales 
[02:10] <Chousuke> funky. it should work.
[02:10] <Chousuke> Though I prefer UTF-8 anyway ;P
[02:10] <blippo> it works however evolution ignores it, is there a special setting for gtk-applications?
[02:10] <tenco> chimaera: breezy, too
[02:11] <chimaera> tenco: but no local server here, so i dunno..
[02:11] <tenco> chimaera: ok, seems like its an issue with leafnode :(
[02:12] <blippo> Chousuke: do you think i might solve something reinstalling evolution (i changed locals on a running system maybe evo did not like it )
[02:13] <Chousuke> no.
[02:14] <blippo> hmmm sure i forgot to change somthing somewhere 
[03:09] <timlinux> how can I get split view kongi working in kubuntu 3.5 b2?
[03:10] <edulix> hi
[03:10] <timlinux> the menus seem to have disappeared
[03:13] <edulix> any openoffice 2final deb packages out there for kubuntu?
[03:27] <breezyuser> hello cud anybody help me recover my su or sudo accounts?
[03:42] <timlinux> breezyuser: what do you mean by 'recover'
[03:42] <Lupin__III> hi all. is there a way to disable autobrowse when i insert a cd media or a usbstick?
[03:43] <Lupin__III> in fstab is disabled
[03:43] <breezyuser> actually I did a expert install of kubuntu
[03:43] <breezyuser> setup by root password
[03:43] <breezyuser> but the installer forgot to add me to sudo for some reason
[03:43] <breezyuser> then I cud not use sudo at all
[03:43] <timlinux> breezyuser: use visudo
[03:44] <timlinux> must run as root  
[03:44] <breezyuser> so I tried diabling root user thinking that may be they are mutually exclusive
[03:44] <breezyuser> now root user is disabled and sudo is not setup.
[03:44] <breezyuser> now how do I enable anyone of them
[03:44] <breezyuser> ?
[03:44] <timlinux> hehe
[03:45] <Lupin__III> using a livecd?
[03:45] <timlinux> you need to boot to runlevel 1
[03:45] <breezyuser> visudo say /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[03:45] <breezyuser> nope insytalledo n my HDD
[03:45] <timlinux> breezyuser: yes because you need to run visudo as root
[03:45] <timlinux> or using sudo
[03:45] <breezyuser> I tried Recovery mode but on boot it says Enter root password for maintenance:
[03:45] <timlinux> breezyuser: you need to get in at runlevel 1
[03:45] <breezyuser> doesn't single user mean I shud be logged in directly??
[03:46] <timlinux> or use a live cd
[03:46] <timlinux> mount your ubuntu install
[03:46] <breezyuser> how do I do that?
[03:46] <Lupin__III> i mean. try a livecd mount in RW an
[03:46] <breezyuser> can install CD be of any help?
[03:46] <timlinux> undisable root login in /etcpasswd
[03:46] <timlinux> can be
[03:46] <timlinux> press alt f3
[03:46] <timlinux> activate the terminal
[03:46] <timlinux> moutn your disk
[03:46] <timlinux> edit /etc/passwd
[03:47] <timlinux> save
[03:47] <timlinux> unmount
[03:47] <timlinux> reboot
[03:47] <breezyuser> timlinux: press alt + f3 where?
[03:47] <breezyuser> currently I have booted via Rcovery mode kernel
[03:47] <timlinux> when you start ubuntu install procedure from install disk
[03:47] <timlinux> if you dont have a livecd
[03:48] <breezyuser> ok...
[03:48] <breezyuser> timlinux: mount which partition?
[03:49] <breezyuser> timlinux:  I have defined two partitions / and /usr
[03:49] <timlinux> your root partition 
[03:49] <breezyuser> timlinux: ok...then I edit /etc/passwd and do what changes?
[03:49] <timlinux> undisable your root account
[03:50] <breezyuser> timlinux: I cat /etc/passwd but nowhere is the root user commented or different from the other users
[03:50] <timlinux> how did you disable it?
[03:50] <breezyuser> timlinux: any flag I have to unset?
[03:50] <timlinux> how did you disable it?
[03:50] <breezyuser> passwd -l root
[03:50] <Lupin__III> you can also edit /etc/sudoers
[03:50] <timlinux> oh
[03:51] <timlinux> no 
[03:51] <timlinux> you should not hand edit
[03:52] <breezyuser> timlinux: I didn't handedit anything. only ran the above command before my ship hit the iceberg :(
[03:52] <Lupin__III> was only a guess... sorry
[03:52] <timlinux> breezyuser: I was referring to Lupin__III suggestion
[03:53] <timlinux> breezyuser: if you did passwd -l
[03:53] <breezyuser> On booting via Grubs Recovery mode kernel, it asks for root passwd. I enter my root passwd but since the account is disabled it does not log me in and the input prompts say press Ctrl+D to resume normally and I am logged in normally
[03:53] <timlinux> the only reasonable way to get it back is the replace the pasword hash
[03:53] <timlinux> in /etc/shadow
[03:53] <timlinux> my suggestiong
[03:53] <timlinux> my suggestion:
[03:53] <timlinux> insert install cd
[03:54] <breezyuser> timlinux: how?
[03:54] <timlinux> once its booted, dont do anything
[03:54] <breezyuser> ok
[03:54] <timlinux> press alt-f3
[03:54] <timlinux> activate terminal
[03:54] <timlinux> edit /etc/shadow file
[03:54] <timlinux> copy the password hash from a know loggable innable user acct
[03:54] <timlinux> over the root password
[03:54] <breezyuser> after mount my partion that is?
[03:54] <timlinux> yes after mounting rw your root partition
[03:55] <timlinux> save shadow
[03:55] <timlinux> reboot without install cd
[03:55] <timlinux> use cloned password for root login
[03:55] <timlinux> reset root password
[03:55] <breezyuser> so ur saying if I copy my current users passwd hash into root's I shud have my root account reenabled?
[03:55] <timlinux> run visudo
[03:55] <timlinux> give yourself admin perms
[03:55] <timlinux> and never touch root acct again...
[03:56] <breezyuser> timlinux: I swear
[03:56] <timlinux> breezyuser: yes thats what Im saying
[03:56] <breezyuser> ok let me try it. pray it helps :)
[03:57] <Lupin__III> is there a way to disable autobrowse when i insert a cd media or a usbstick?
[03:57] <timlinux> not sure what editor if any is available in that shell
[03:57] <breezyuser> timlinux: can I do something w/o using install cd?
[03:57] <timlinux> breezyuser: unlikely 
[03:57] <breezyuser> timlinux: I have two cases.
[03:58] <breezyuser> timlinux: one is using recovery mode brub option
[03:58] <breezyuser> timlinux: it boots but prompts for root passwd
[03:58] <breezyuser> timlinux: which obviously does not work
[03:58] <timlinux> my advice should not affect or overwrite your current install in any way
[03:58] <breezyuser> timlinux: second If I go to brub command line and boot the kernel
[03:58] <timlinux> but obviously make a backup first
[03:59] <timlinux> breezyuser: also your partition layout: I usually make home a sepearte partition
[03:59] <breezyuser> timlinux: it boots fine but does not complete load everything
[03:59] <timlinux> then I can reinstall my system without touching my user data
[03:59] <breezyuser> timlinux: actually was not sure of how much /usr wud require and /home
[03:59] <timlinux> I dont see much point in making /usr a separate partition in a home system
[04:00] <breezyuser> timlinux: since in the second way, it cannot load /etc and fails but gives me the root prompts
[04:00] <timlinux> desktop system I mena
[04:00] <timlinux> mean
[04:00] <breezyuser> timlinux: but damn passwd command is not working
[04:00] <breezyuser> timlinux: I tried mounting /usr
[04:00] <kkathman> Greetings :)
[04:00] <timlinux> breezyuser: are you in install cd shell?
[04:02] <breezyuser> nope. currently logged in via recovery mode
[04:02] <hyperactivecrond> !kde3.5
[04:02] <ubotu> I heard kde3.5 is KDE 3.5beta2 out: http://tinyurl.com/ad4x6
[04:03] <breezyuser> let me try ur suggest and get back.
[04:03] <breezyuser> timlinux: thanks
[04:03] <timlinux> ok
[04:03] <buz> hyperactivecrond: i'd recommend not to upgrade right now
[04:04] <hyperactivecrond> buz: why?
[04:04] <buz> quite buggy
[04:04] <buz> and no real way back
[04:04] <hyperactivecrond> :\ mk
[04:07] <pwn3r> how can i disable the auto browse feature for removable media?
[04:07] <Lupin__III> pwn3r: i'm asking the same thing me too
[04:09] <Lupin__III> seems that noone want this feature and there's no way to disable
[04:09] <hyperactivecrond> ddamn the ubuntu site's slow when u go to apt-get install something
[04:09] <Lupin__III> google doesn't help
[04:10] <Lupin__III> hyperactivecrond: try changin mirror
[04:11] <pwn3r> what would happen if i disable this? k-menu > system settings > KDE Components > Service Manager > KDED Media Manager
[04:11] <pwn3r> does that disable auto mounting as well as auto browse?
[04:11] <Lupin__III> i've already tried
[04:12] <eriksti> Hey.. I'm trying to get the KWifiManager going.. can't you specify the IP somewhere?
[04:12] <pwn3r> hi kkathman 
[04:13] <Lupin__III> kwifymanager only selects the avaiable access point
[04:13] <seezer> Lupin__III, pwn3r stopping hald should help
[04:13] <Lupin__III> what's hald? a daemon?
[04:13] <Lupin__III> or kde component?
[04:13] <seezer> hald - daemon for Hardware Abstraction Layer
[04:13] <seezer> The  HAL  daemon detects devices present in the system and provides the org.freedesktop.Hal service
[04:13] <seezer>        through D-BUS.
[04:14] <kkathman> Hey good morning pwn3r  :)
[04:14] <kkathman> hi seezer :)
[04:14] <seezer> this does the automatic recognition for removable media
[04:14] <seezer> kkathman: hi :)
[04:14] <Lupin__III> seezer: who calls hald at startup?
[04:15] <Lupin__III> kde or the system?
[04:15] <pwn3r> seezer: im guessing it would be in the system services item of system settings?
[04:15] <seezer> system
[04:15] <pwn3r> which i just noticed i cant access :P
[04:16] <kkathman> !HAL
[04:16] <ubotu> HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is a library and daemon to get hotplug notifications as hardware is added and removed.
[04:16] <kkathman> kind of analagous to plug and play in Windows is how I think of it
[04:16] <roguejedix> Er, this might be a stupid thing to ask, but could the reason for Kaffeine crashing be the missing animation that plays when opening another file while one is running?
[04:16] <pwn3r> i dont mind the auto detection. but the window that pops up is annoying.
[04:17] <kkathman> roguejedix: Hmm..probably not, because Kaffeine has always been a bit buggy in my estimation
[04:17] <seezer> pwn3r: yeah, same here. but since i didn't find a way to disable this..
[04:17] <Lupin__III> ubotu: so, to disable hal i have to modify hotplug script, right?
[04:17] <ubotu> Lupin__III: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[04:18] <kie> hi
[04:18] <seezer> Lupin__III: eliza got you ;)
[04:18] <seezer> Lupin__III: it's a bot
[04:18] <kkathman> hehe
[04:18] <roguejedix> kkathman: Bugger. I really like it, apart from the whole crashing thing, that is.
[04:18] <Lupin__III> ouhhgh
[04:18] <kkathman> lol
[04:18] <seezer> pizzatime :)
[04:18] <Lupin__III> i make you laught!
[04:19] <kkathman> Some K-apps are well maintained and improved, others like Kaffeine and Kopete are not
[04:19] <kie> i ve got a question. i recently updated my kubuntu to breezy, like it is described on kubunto.org. It is running, but there is no adept installed.  how can i fix it?
[04:19] <seezer> kie: apt-get install adept
[04:19] <kkathman> kie: there should have been...check your k-menu
[04:19] <roguejedix> That's weird. It should be installed by default
[04:20] <kkathman> yah adept is the suggest package manager now
[04:20] <kkathman> except I still like the apt system personally
[04:20] <Lupin__III> <!-- Default value for storage.automount_enabled_hint for devices of
[04:20] <Lupin__III>        capability storage - this can be overridden by .fdi files.
[04:20] <Lupin__III>        Setting this to false results a whitelist policy, e.g. policy
[04:20] <Lupin__III>        agents should only automount storage devices with a .fdi file
[04:20] <Lupin__III>        saying so.
[04:20] <Lupin__III>        Conversely, setting it to true results in a blacklist policy
[04:20] <Lupin__III>        where policy agents should always automount unless this is
[04:20] <Lupin__III>        explicitly overridden by .fdi for devices causing trouble.
[04:20] <roguejedix> kie: Nothing in K -> System ?
[04:20] <Lupin__III>   -->
[04:20] <Lupin__III>   <storage_automount_enabled_hint>true</storage_automount_enabled_hint>
[04:20] <kkathman> Lupin__III: please dont flood like that
[04:21] <Lupin__III> sorry
[04:21] <kie> no nothing in the k menu
[04:21] <kkathman> kie:  K-menu and then at the top under your System option
[04:21] <roguejedix> kie: You sure you downloaded the official release and not a release candidate by mistake?
[04:22] <pwn3r> Lupin__III: did you find it? :)
[04:22] <kie> no whre in the k menu or in the system group of it
[04:22] <seezer> pwn3r: this is configuration of HAL
[04:22] <Lupin__III> i'm guessing if setting to false
[04:22] <Lupin__III> disable hal
[04:22] <seezer> pwn3r: so if you exclude it here, you could also turn it off.
[04:22] <kkathman> kie did you upgrade from hoary?
[04:22] <kie> yes i did.
[04:23] <kkathman> you used apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[04:23] <kie> yes i did
[04:23] <pwn3r> what file is that in?
[04:23] <kkathman> well I cant explain it then, go to a console and do a sudo apt-get install adept
[04:24] <Lupin__III> /etc/hal/hald.conf
[04:24] <pwn3r> ok thanks
[04:24] <seezer> Lupin__III: you had a hald.conf by default?
[04:24] <kkathman> kie you DID remember to change your repositories before upgrading right?
[04:25] <roguejedix> Well, since Kaffeine is out, does anyone have any other suggestions for a K media player? Preferably one that is able to select audio in video streams from the menu (for ogm and mkv files)?
[04:25] <kie> i ve updated my source.list
[04:25] <Lupin__III> so it would seem, because i didn't know even what hal is
[04:25] <kkathman> kie ok...well just do the sudo apt-get install adept then
[04:25] <pwn3r> seezer: i have one too :)
[04:26] <seezer> kie: did you type 'adept'?
[04:26] <seezer> i don't have one
[04:26] <kie> yes
[04:26] <seezer> just /etc/hal/fdi/...
[04:26] <kie> i ve tried to start it within the termina
[04:26] <kkathman> kie just do the apt-get install
[04:26] <kie> okay kkathman 
[04:26] <CzarAlex> what is SuperKaramba vs Karamba? Are they two different programs?
[04:27] <kkathman> CzarAlex: the only offering now I think is SuperKaramba
[04:27] <Lupin__III> i've fdi/  and   hald.conf
[04:27] <apokryphos> CzarAlex: not different; karamba was superceeded (basically changed name) to sk
[04:27] <seezer> Lupin__III: could you send it to me?
[04:27] <kkathman> morning apokryphos  :)
[04:27] <apokryphos> hi
[04:27] <CzarAlex> apokryphos, so sudo apt-get install karamba will get me what i need?
[04:27] <seezer> or post it somewhere
[04:27] <kie> @kkathman: okay it is running.
[04:27] <apokryphos> CzarAlex: nope, but sudo aptitude install superkaramba will
[04:27] <kie> the update is running
[04:28] <roguejedix> I wish superkaramba wouldn't drag xmms into the mix
[04:28] <Lupin__III> seezer: have you got an icq or msnger account?
[04:28] <apokryphos> CzarAlex: running karamba is basically just a really old version of superkaramba
[04:28] <kie> brb, if uodate is done
[04:28] <kkathman> kie ok good, I truly cant explain why adept didnt install on your upgrade
[04:28] <apokryphos> which could perhaps not even work now
[04:28] <seezer> Lupin__III: by email would be nice
[04:28] <Lupin__III> ok
[04:28] <seezer> thank you
[04:28] <CzarAlex> apokryphos, thank you. You've been very helpful.
[04:29] <seezer> gonna eat now. cu later guys.
[04:29] <kkathman> cya seezer
[04:34] <Lupin__III> seezer: i can't browse your "contact info" where can i get your email address?
[04:35] <kie> yeah perhaps i understand the problem @ kkathman
[04:36] <kie> i just replaced hoary but did not replace Hoary -.- @kkathman
[04:37] <kkathman> huh?
[04:38] <kie> i did not replaces the Hoary with a capital H with the replace function of Kate...
[04:38] <kie> -s
[04:38] <kie> just with an h
[04:38] <kkathman> kie in your repositories?
[04:38] <kie> yes...
[04:38] <kkathman> well thats your problem, you should have replaced them with "breezy"
[04:39] <kkathman> lol
[04:39] <kkathman> you are still on hoary I reckon
[04:39] <kie> can i do the update once again, without problems?
[04:39] <kkathman> please go here and follow the instructions carefully:   http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[04:40] <kie> not  completely... i got the new KDE and some othr stuff new i think... dunno why... but thats why i was thinking everthing was sucessfull.
[04:40] <kie> thank you very much
[04:40] <kkathman> np
[04:41] <pwn3r> how can I install the nvidia legacy drivers. 
[04:41] <pwn3r> is there a tip for me from ubotu?
[04:42] <pwn3r> ubotu: ?
[04:42] <ubotu> pwn3r: What?
[04:42] <kkathman> !tell nvidia
[04:42] <tvo> !nvidia
[04:42] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:42] <pwn3r> ah thanks you 
[04:43] <Lupin__III> pwn3r: have you find solutions for hal?
[04:43] <pwn3r> well not really
[04:43] <matto> is there anyway to get video playing inside Konq?
[04:43] <pwn3r> i just did the update to the hal/media fix
[04:44] <pwn3r> if it annoys me more i will persue it
[04:44] <Lupin__III> pwn3r: what update?
[04:45] <Lupin__III> for the error tha says media:/blablabla was not found...
[04:45] <pwn3r> yea
[04:46] <Lupin__III> pwn3r: can you point me the solution?
[04:46] <sephirot> eiiiiiiiiiiiii
[04:46] <Lupin__III> so it would be less annoyng
[04:46] <sephirot> hi everibody
[04:46] <pwn3r> i just had to sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:47] <pwn3r> then that problem was gone
[04:47] <Lupin__III> today?
[04:47] <pwn3r> yea just now
[04:48] <Lupin__III> ok i try
[04:48] <pwn3r> it says in the channel topic
[04:48] <pwn3r> also my usb Hard drives show on the desktop :D
[04:48] <pwn3r> damn im spoiled
[04:49] <Lupin__III> mm nothing for me...
[04:49] <Lupin__III> no updates
[04:49] <Lupin__III> still get error
[04:49] <pwn3r> hmm weird
[04:50] <pwn3r> i also logged out and back in.
[04:50] <pwn3r> perhaps...
[04:50] <Lupin__III> but i haven't done any update
[04:51] <Lupin__III> what's your source.list?
[04:51] <Lupin__III> could ypu send me via mail?
[04:52] <pwn3r> here http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/401922
[04:53] <Lupin__III> thanks
[04:53] <pwn3r> lol i love the hypno toad
[04:54] <kkathman> hypno toad?
[04:54] <kkathman> lol
[04:54] <kkathman> sounds like a great screen name
[04:54] <pwn3r> its from a cartoon called futurama
[04:55] <kkathman> ohhh yeah I've only seen that maybe once
[04:55] <pwn3r> one of my favorites
[04:55] <hyperactivecrond> in breezy's default kubuntu-desktop, no system sounds play and ogg files won't play in controlcenter. How do i fix this?
[04:55] <hyperactivecrond> !ogg
[04:55] <ubotu> hyperactivecrond: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[04:55] <hyperactivecrond> pfft
[04:56] <kkathman> haha
[04:56] <kkathman> not thats clever
[04:56] <kkathman> now
[04:56] <kkathman> hyperactivecrond: I suspect that you have to find a player that supports that particular format
[04:57] <kkathman> hyperactivecrond: did you try amarok?
[04:57] <pwn3r> what in linux doesnt support ogg :o
[04:57] <kkathman> no clue, I dont play music on my linux boxes
[04:58] <kkathman> but if you find a player that does, you can set it as the default in the system settings
[04:58] <hyperactivecrond> in controlcenter
[04:59] <hyperactivecrond> no system notifications that are oggs play
[04:59] <hyperactivecrond> wavs play 
[04:59] <kkathman> yah it used to be called control center, yes...in breezy and Kubuntu they now call it System Settings lol
[04:59] <hyperactivecrond> d'oh nvm
[05:00] <hyperactivecrond> heh turns out that output was disabled
[05:00] <kkathman> ohh hehe that'll do it to
[05:00] <kkathman> too
[05:00] <hyperactivecrond> :P
[05:01] <libben> anyone played quake4 yet under kubuntu?
[05:01] <agnes> hey all!
[05:02] <roguejedix> Quake 4 is out?
[05:02] <agnes> is the issue with kaffeine / gstreamer resolved yet?
[05:02] <agnes> roguejedix: Yeah! I was shocked too!
[05:02] <apokryphos> roguejedix: yes
[05:02] <roguejedix> Huh. That was fast
[05:03] <agnes> apparently the singleplayer is amazing
[05:03] <pwn3r> quake 4 has a native linux installer :D
[05:03] <apokryphos> kind of wish the ftp:/ for it was working; can't friggin' use torrents here
[05:04] <roguejedix> God bless id software. Or was Raven developing?
[05:04] <agnes> id / activision
[05:04] <roguejedix> Right, right. Thanks, agnes 
[05:05] <kkathman> anyone play freeciv?
[05:05] <roguejedix> I did
[05:05] <kkathman> roguejedix: I want to install it...but it says the freeciv package is now transitional and can be deleted :(
[05:05] <roguejedix> Weird
[05:05] <kkathman> yah
[05:05] <roguejedix> Lemme check
[05:05] <hyperactivecrond> !freeciv
[05:05] <ubotu> hyperactivecrond: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:06] <kkathman> I know there is a freeciv2
[05:06] <hyperactivecrond> i've got freeciv installed...
[05:06] <kkathman> but it doesnt show up under apt-cache
[05:06] <roguejedix> There's also freecol, but that's *cough* Java
[05:06] <hyperactivecrond> hmm
[05:06] <kkathman> hyperactivecrond: how did you install freeciv?
[05:07] <hyperactivecrond> sudo apt-get install freeciv
[05:07] <roguejedix> kkathman: Try installing freeciv-client-gtk
[05:07] <kkathman> yeah but it says its transitional now :(
[05:07] <kkathman> roguejedix: wouldnt I need the server files also though?
[05:07] <roguejedix> kkathman: Yeah, but it drags them along for the ride anyway
[05:08] <kkathman> ahh ok
[05:08] <hyperactivecrond> heh i dpkg --purge 'd freeciv and apt-get install freeciv  'ed and it worked
[05:08] <roguejedix> kkathman: There's also Civilization II: Call to Power by the defunct Loki Software. No idea where to get it though
[05:09] <roguejedix> Err, sorry. By Activision and PUBLISHED for Linux by the defunct Loki Software
[05:09] <kkathman> I actually have Civilization III on Windows I should just play it there :)
[05:09] <roguejedix> Better.
[05:09] <kkathman> lol
[05:09] <roguejedix> kkathman: Try cedega then
[05:09] <roguejedix> Or wine might work too
[05:09] <kkathman> cedega?
[05:10] <kkathman> ohhh ok
[05:10] <kkathman> ughhh wine
[05:11] <roguejedix> Heh. I prefer Alpha Centauri and Alien Crossfire anyway :P
[05:12] <agnes> hmmm. what's the best p2p software for kde?
[05:12] <kkathman> I need to check if Civ3 will run on my AMD64
[05:12] <roguejedix> agnes: aMule
[05:12] <kkathman> agnes depends on what you are attempting to do...aMULE is good
[05:12] <roguejedix> Whoops, missed the "for KDE" part
[05:13] <roguejedix> agnes: You could also try mldonkey with kmldonkey
[05:13] <murr> !libdvdcss
[05:13] <ubotu> murr: I haven't a clue
[05:13] <hyperactivecrond> !tell mur about restrictedformats
[05:13] <kkathman> well you can rule gnome apps on KDE if you didnt just install kubuntu (which you shouldnt)
[05:14] <hyperactivecrond> !tell murr about restrictedformats
[05:14] <Lupin__III> seezer: hald.conf is at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/401927
[05:14] <kkathman> brb
[05:14] <hyperactivecrond> try Apollon
[05:14] <hyperactivecrond> for p2p
[05:15] <roguejedix> Yeah, there's that. Though mine won't connect to OpenFT
[05:15] <murr> hyperactivecrond: thank you
[05:15] <hyperactivecrond> np murr
[05:16] <roguejedix> Does anyone know how the Dark Oberon deb packages are coming?
[05:17] <Orator> hi, i have problem with installer driver ati about mobility 9700, i can't replace driver mesa with driver fglrx, help me please
[05:18] <hyperactivecrond> !xorg-
[05:18] <ubotu> hyperactivecrond: What?
[05:18] <hyperactivecrond> !xorg
[05:18] <ubotu> [xorg]  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:19] <hyperactivecrond> do that Orator
[05:19] <hyperactivecrond> and where it gets to driver pick fglrx
[05:19] <Orator> so i do run this command sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[05:20] <hyperactivecrond> yes you do
[05:20] <Orator> ok, i try
[05:20] <Orator> because i have ati control panel installed too
[05:20] <Orator> only driver with acceleration doesn't work
[05:20] <hyperactivecrond> :\ well you need to enable the driver first (with the command that you (supposedly) are running now)
[05:20] <Orator> i try, thankz 
[05:21] <libben> http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2005101221022.gif
[05:21] <libben> good one
[05:22] <Frederic> hello all, I have a usr5416 wireless pci card. When I start kubuntu, I've never access to the internet. After I did dhclient wlan0, I tried to surf, but kubuntu hangs. Can somebody help me please? 
[05:23] <Frederic> it's the 64bit
[05:25] <doctormo> hello
[05:25] <doctormo> I have kubuntu 50.4 installed
[05:26] <doctormo> (5.04)
[05:26] <doctormo> how do I update the packages?
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> doctormo: using the 5.10 cd or internet?
[05:26] <doctormo> net
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> (in short) edit the sources list, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can get teh soruces list from ubotu
[05:27] <agnes> doctormo: see the topic in #ubuntu for the easiest instructions
[05:27] <doctormo> ubotu? do you have a link for that?
[05:28] <agnes> ops: How come there isn't a link for the breezy upgrade in the topic here?
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> doctormo: its a bot
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> !bot
[05:28] <ubotu> I'm a bot, I'm a bot. Set fire to me, I'll get hot. Reply to kamping_kaiser? I think not. Bot, knot, chicken... rhyming sucks.
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell doctormo about repositories
[05:28] <libben> !tell doctormo about repos
[05:30] <doctormo> thanks guy
[05:30] <doctormo> s
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> any more questions just ask
[05:32] <Frederic> why does my linux crash when i try to connect to the internet? I have a us robotics 5416 pci wireless card. 
[05:32] <libben> !tell libben about spam
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[05:33] <libben> thought there would be a funny mess in that but nope, nothing funny at all
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh :( 
[05:34] <libben> is kde 3.5 stable ?
[05:34] <libben> seemed to be so much hassle to get buggy kde =)
[05:34] <libben> so im waiting for it to be more stable.
[05:34] <hyperactivecrond> libben: nope
[05:34] <hyperactivecrond> !kde3.5
[05:34] <ubotu> [kde3.5]  KDE 3.5beta2 out: http://tinyurl.com/ad4x6
[05:40] <pwn3r> i cant figure out which nvidia driver to use :( neither seem to support my chipset
[05:40] <pwn3r> lspci says it is a "nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT]  (rev 15)"
[05:41] <pwn3r> but the vanta is not listed in adept as any of the supported cards.
[05:42] <tilo> hello, i got an annoying problem with german 'umlaute' when using them saving files from gtk applications like gimp, within kde the characters get messed up, under gnome all looks fine - does that sound familiar to anybody?
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> pwn3r: how old is it?
[05:42] <pwn3r> im not sure, pretty old
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> pwn3r: you probably need the legacy (or whatever its called) driver
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> tilo: ask in kubuntu-de, somone may have your problem, as they may be using the same setup :)
[05:44] <pwn3r> ok thanks, i am confused because of what it says in the description in adept. it says "Unless your chipset is explicitly listed in the above paragraph, please use the nvidia-glx driver"
[05:44] <tilo> i did but unsuccsessfully, i switched from utf-8 to iso-8859-15 but it seems: not completely
[05:44] <marco> nothing
[05:44] <marco> mesa too :(
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> tilo: im not sure how to fix your problem myself :( perhaps 'dpkg-reconfigure locales; will help?
[05:45] <tilo> thanks Kamping_Kaiser, but i did this already, wont help
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> tilo: oh ok :(. it sounds like a kde problem alright, but im afraid i cant help with it
[05:46] <tilo> thanks anyway, yes seems to be a kde problem
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry :(
[05:58] <m_tadeu> hi...whats the best way to capture a video from my desktop?
[05:59] <Tm_T> :(
[05:59] <Tm_T> colours
[05:59] <m_tadeu> sorry...kopete has them enabled by default....i just forget about it
[06:01] <m_tadeu> that reminds me to make a bug report about that
[06:01] <blueblix> #ubuntu-es
[06:02] <m_tadeu> about capturing my desktop into a video...? is there an easy way to do it?
[06:02] <Tm_T> I have no idea
[06:11] <_anna> Hi all, anyone up for a bit of troubleshooting with a breezy upgrade? :-)
[06:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> _anna: yeh, ok :|
[06:14] <sergio3> Hallo zusammen, kennt sich jemand mit der Erkennung von USB_2.0 Festplatten aus?
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> sergio3: kubuntu-de
[06:19] <kkathman> _anna go ahead
[06:19] <kkathman> we'll try to help as best we can
[06:19] <javb> people, i installed the ATI acceleration graphic from ubuntu repositories, i have no acceleration and the "driver" doesnt appear to be working, i see that on the screensaver.. when i start the graphic interface dconfig tool.. it says  : "Drivers does not provide the FireGL X11 extensions! Panel component will operate only partially" any idea guys
[06:20] <kkathman> javb: updated driver maybe available?  did this work in hoary?
[06:20] <kkathman> !ati
[06:20] <ubotu> ati is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[06:20] <javb> didnt have hoary, im using Breezy for the first time..
[06:20] <kkathman> those are some references, you might try those
[06:20] <javb> 5.10
[06:20] <kkathman> ahh then try those refernces then
[06:20] <kkathman> hey hussam :)
[06:21] <kkathman> _anna: you still need help?
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> shes hiding :|
[06:21] <hussam> kkathman: hey buddy
[06:21] <sergio3> Auf Kubuntu.de hab ich auch getippt, in meinem Fall erkennt der Port USB-Sticks aber keine Festplatte, am USB_1.0 Port jedoch schon.
[06:21] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: got her cornered with a drink eh Kampo :)
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: a hard drive actualy ;)
[06:22] <kkathman> !usb
[06:22] <ubotu> kkathman: Not a clue
[06:22] <kkathman> oops
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> sergio3: english in here
[06:22] <kkathman> lol Kamping_Kaiser  :)
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:25] <_anna> @kkathman: sorry for the lag. do you know if Xosd works for anyone in breezy?
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> wtf is taht? lol
[06:26] <sergio3> sorry :-) My System doesn't recognize USB-Hardisks under USB_2.0, but it does on USB_1.0. Does anyone know why?
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> sergio3: kubuntu without updates? iirc there is an update for usb probs out in teh last few days
[06:27] <seezer> _anna: it does work fine here.
[06:28] <_anna> hmmm... for me it worked in hoary but now with breezy it's shot
[06:31] <_anna> seezer: do you know a way how to test it?
[06:31] <sergio3> I'm using Kubuntu 5.10 (aka Breezy), downloades Yesterday, should I use apt-get update?
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> sergio3: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:33] <seezer> _anna: search a tool that uses xosd
[06:33] <seezer> or write one ;)
[06:33] <seezer> i use it with lineakd (for my access keys on my keyboard)
[06:33] <_anna> seezer: well actually my problems started with lineakd crashing when it started to load xosd-plugin
[06:34] <seezer> have lineakd compiled myself
[06:34] <_anna> seezer: so i tried osd_cat and it nicely waits for some seconds but it doesnt really display anything
[06:34] <seezer> didn't get the breezy rc builds to run
[06:34] <_anna> yeah, now that i took awat the xosd plugin, lineakd has other issues ;-)
[06:35] <seezer> sorry have to go now. preparing girlfriends bday party.. :)
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> later seezer
[06:35] <seezer> perhaps we can tomorrow or the day afte
[06:35] <seezer> r
[06:35] <_anna> seezer: have fun!
[06:35] <seezer> even got segfaults with the breezy lineakd builds
[06:35] <seezer> thx. bye
[06:35] <_anna> bye
[06:36] <sergio3> Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks I will give it a try. Btw, do you know witch packages are affected?
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> sergio3: no i dont, i just have a recolection of this coming up on the list
[06:41] <qatsi> hello  everybody !!...
[06:42] <qatsi> dows anybody know how to manage the loaded modules at bootup ?...for example: i dont want eth0 to be loaded at boot, how can i do that ?...thanx
[06:42] <gubatron> any one knows a key shortcut to switch terminals in Yakuake?
[06:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> qatsi: thats in /etc/network/interfaces, leave the modules alone :)
[06:43] <qatsi> Kamping_Kaiser: :) all righty then :) ill check it up :) thanx
[06:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[06:43] <stodge> Hey folks. What do I need to inttall to mount a USB memory card reader?
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> stodge: should 'just work', and if it doesnt, try updating
[06:45] <aljosa> is there a fake package which install full media codecs (mp3/xvid/*)?
[06:45] <stodge> I should be rich but I'm not! :) I'm up to date on my updates
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> stodge: lol. yeh, with a name lik ehtat you should be ;)
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> aljosa: no, there isnt
[06:47] <stodge> Ah - I unplugged it and plugged it in again and it's ok
[06:47] <stodge> weird
[06:48] <gubatron> stodge: open synaptic, look for "usb" and make sure you have "usbmount" packge selected
[06:48] <stodge> I don't - installing now
[06:48] <stodge> THanks
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> bizare.
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> but a new thing to add to teh 'usb fix' list
[06:49] <gubatron> I think we might need more than that, I'm still having trouble with my USB SD card reader
[06:49] <gubatron> but other usb devices are working
[06:50] <pagux> i cant find mplayer in 5.10 repo .....
[06:50] <gubatron> it tries to mount my usb sd reader in /sda1 (sata??? wtf)
[06:51] <gubatron> or sda as in Sd card?
[06:51] <pagux> adept search in kubuntu gives me no results :-(
[06:51] <pagux> i cant find mplayer in 5.10 repo .....
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> gubatron: traditionaly sd* is scsi, now sata+ usb :|
[06:52] <gubatron> brb
[06:52] <pagux> is mplayer not included in 5.10 ?
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> pagux: not in main
[06:54] <angystardust> pagus the package is not included in main
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> its in multiverse
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> (just checked)
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> ngiht all
[06:58] <gubatron> stodge: any luck?
[06:58] <gubatron> I get "An error occurred while loading media:/sda1:"
[06:59] <pagux> do i have add any additional repo for mplyer? 
[07:00] <apokryphos> pagux: yes, multiverse
[07:02] <pagux> multiverse ...what that ?
[07:03] <pagux> forgive me I am migrating from RH......
[07:06] <berkes> evening.
[07:06] <berkes> is there any docs on what I need to change to sources.list in order to upgrade to Breezy? kubuntu.org has no info on this, it seems
[07:08] <berkes> .... by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and running ....id like to add a wiki page that describes *what* to edit
[07:09] <qatsi> berkes: try apt-get dist-upgrade and youll get to  breeze
[07:09] <berkes> qatsi: no editing needed then?
[07:09] <berkes> if so, qatsi, the line on kubuntu.org should be changed, IMO
[07:09] <qatsi> berkes: i dont think so, well, at least i didnt had to :p
[07:10] <berkes> qatsi: thanks. GTG now. will check it out and change the wiki to be more helpfull on this later
[07:10] <qatsi> berkes: all right
[07:13] <nmorse> Does anyone else have Kaffeine crash when they try to open another video?
[07:13] <nmorse> Right after you stop another one or while one is still playing?
[07:13] <pagux> how do  I add multiverse ?
[07:17] <libben> made my own gimp splash screen... look real nice.
[07:19] <pagux> how do  I add multiverse ?
[07:21] <libben> !tell pagux about repos
[07:21] <berkes> allright. the sources.list needs editing; because here it points to hoary/XXX 
[07:21] <berkes> !tell berkes about repos
[07:53] <chimaera> *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x1003d5e0 ***
[07:53] <chimaera> Aborted
[07:53] <chimaera> anyone using a scanner? scanimage -L gives me the msg above..
[07:56] <djperegrine> I tried installing the 64-bit on a hp pavilion zv5000
[07:57] <djperegrine> but It said I needed the 32-bit version
[07:57] <djperegrine> I have a AMD atholon XP 3000+
[08:02] <ztonzy> apokryphos, awake ?
[08:03] <aljosa> where to find w32codecs for breezy?
[08:04] <chimaera> aljosa: check marillat's repository..
[08:05] <chimaera> aljosa: http://debian.video.free.fr/
[08:06] <aljosa> chimaera: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main in sources.list?
[08:07] <chimaera> aljosa: i'd say so, yes.
[08:07] <aljosa> chimaera: thanks
[08:07] <chimaera> aljosa: but coming from debian, i simply don't know if there actually is a 'specialized' (k)ubuntu repository for this,,
[08:09] <stbain> !w32codecs
[08:09] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[08:10] <stbain> that help, aljosa?
[08:13] <aljosa> stbain: not sure, looking it now
[08:14] <pwn3r> im getting a segmentation fault in glxgears. does anyone else get this?
[08:14] <pagux> i cant find multiverse repo for brezy 5.10
[08:15] <aljosa> stbain: yes, thanks
[08:15] <pagux> all documentation refers to haory
[08:16] <qatsi> hi all. dows anybody knows anything about this cedega thing ?....im trying to find out how to use it :p
[08:17] <pagux>  i have added blackports to adept repo but still no mplayer :-(
[08:19] <unsurreal> is backports even active yet
[08:19] <unsurreal> qatsi: ive used it and it really works well
[08:20] <Tm_T> don't think so
[08:20] <qatsi> unsurreal: is it free ?
[08:20] <unsurreal> heh i just downloaded the cvs
[08:20] <unsurreal> but no
[08:20] <unsurreal> its ;like $5 or somethin
[08:20] <qatsi> unsurreal: uhmm.....darn, i cant find anywhere to see that :s
[08:21] <pagux> whats the muliverse repo for breezy where I can install mplayer ?
[08:21] <Tm_T> qatsi: it's 5$/month
[08:21] <Tm_T> qatsi: or, you can get some of it for free
[08:22] <pagux> whats the muliverse repo for breezy where I can install mplayer ?
[08:22] <qatsi> Tm_T: uhmm darn, it should be free. Im getting used to the OpenSource software :p
[08:22] <libben> Tm_T: what u mean some of it for free?
[08:23] <mikonian> hi, can i have some help please?
[08:23] <pwn3r> cedega source code is free to download from the cvs
[08:23] <pwn3r> but the binary's and support cost $
[08:24] <pwn3r> and there is one part of it that is closed source as well
[08:24] <qatsi> pwn3r: so i can use it, but i wont get support.........
[08:24] <pwn3r> yea, and the click2play part is closed source so you wont get that
[08:24] <libben> so what? the source is free ? so there should be alot of daily downloads of cvs ? and then handmade debs for us?
[08:25] <pwn3r> there is a nice script around that does that for you actually
[08:25] <Boronk> kernel 2.6.12--amd64-k8-smp does not boot
[08:25] <Boronk> with breezy
[08:26] <mikonian> can someone help me with something?
[08:26] <Boronk> this really sucks
[08:26] <satafterh> hello all, what do i need to have installed to be able to run the command ./configure?
[08:26] <Boronk> has somebody the same problem?
[08:26] <qatsi> satafterh: uhmm, you cant execute it ?....are you a super user ?...if not, sudo -i and then type the admin password :D
[08:27] <apokryphos> ztonzy: yup
[08:27] <chelo> hi ppl 
[08:27] <chelo> need some help if someone can answer
[08:28] <chelo> cannot find some libqt3-headers or q3 at all on kynaptic 
[08:28] <pagux> any body installed mplayer in breezy ?
[08:28] <pagux> if yes pl tell me the thev repo 
[08:28] <apokryphos> chelo: install libqt3-mt-dev
[08:29] <Tm_T> libben: most of the Cedega stuff is available as sources tru cvs
[08:29] <apokryphos> pagux: add the multiverse repository; follow this guide:
[08:29] <Tm_T> libben: but, not all
[08:29] <apokryphos> !tell pagux about repos
[08:29] <satafterh> here is what i am getting afterrunning the ./configyre command - checking host system type... configure: error: can not guess host type; you must specify one
[08:30] <apokryphos> satafterh: what are you trying to compile?
[08:30] <mikonian> how do i unistall kde from ubuntu?
[08:30] <satafterh> lxdoom 1.44
[08:30] <qatsi> ok, this CVS thing is new to me...i must have a cvs client, as i see...which one do you recomend....or is there just one ?
[08:31] <chelo> apokryphos: i dont have it in kynaptic that is a strange thing 
[08:31] <apokryphos> satafterh: is there an INSTALL or README file; and, have you done all the things it says?
[08:31] <chelo> i use hoary 
[08:31] <qatsi> ahhh, forget it, i have pserver...
[08:32] <satafterh> #apokryphos - yes there in an install, dumb de dumb dumb dumb lol
[08:33] <apokryphos> chelo: it's a good idea to upgrade to breezy, but anyway...
[08:33] <apokryphos> chelo: install libqt3-dev and libqt3-headers
[08:33] <apokryphos> chelo: though, why do you want the headers? Trying to build something?
[08:33] <chelo> yes 
[08:33] <apokryphos> what?
[08:33] <chelo> cvs of valknut
[08:34] <chelo> and im stuck with it 
[08:34] <apokryphos> chelo: type sudo apt-get build-dep valknut
[08:34] <apokryphos> (close kynaptic first)
[08:34] <ztonzy> apokryphos, thanks anyway...got skype fixed
[08:34] <apokryphos> oh ok, cool
[08:34] <os2mac> has anyone noticed kicker freezing on them?
[08:35] <mikonian> how do i unistall kde from ubuntu?
[08:35] <apokryphos> mikkohuo: remove kdelibs-data package
[08:35] <chelo> Reading package lists... Done
[08:35] <chelo> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:35] <chelo> E: Unable to find a source package for valknut
[08:36] <apokryphos> chelo: have you enabled the universe repository?
[08:37] <chelo> this is my sources.list if i can paste it in here ?
[08:37] <apokryphos> chelo: no
[08:37] <apokryphos> chelo: use a pastebin service
[08:37] <chelo> ok
[08:37] <stbain> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[08:37] <chelo> pastebin?
[08:37] <chelo> aha ok
[08:38] <mikonian> apokryphos : how? serious n00b
[08:38] <os2mac> anyone?
[08:38] <meji> does someone here use Koversation as their IRC client?
[08:38] <os2mac> I am 
[08:38] <os2mac> Meji
[08:38] <chelo> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/402148
[08:38] <meji> can you tell me how do I browse the history?
[08:39] <meji> of channels and private users?
[08:39] <spine55> does anyone know how to get divx or xvid working on breezy?
[08:39] <mikonian> i was thinking of using apt-get --purge remove libartsc0
[08:39] <shogouki> meji: ctrl+0
[08:39] <os2mac> Meji... no sorry I have never used the history functions
[08:39] <meji> thanks
[08:39] <chelo> i dont know but i think some fault is with tha sources.list becose some of packages is impossibile to install trought kynatic
[08:40] <os2mac> has anyone had problems with Kicker freezing?
[08:40] <pwn3r> is a Gforce FX 5200 considered a 'legacy' card now?
[08:40] <Tm_T> not a single
[08:40] <Tm_T> pwn3r: no
[08:40] <pwn3r> sweet thanks
[08:40] <apokryphos> chakie: hm, looks ok. Try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get build-dep valknut
[08:40] <Tm_T> pwn3r: Geforce2 is "legacy"
[08:42] <chelo> apokryphos: same shit man 
[08:42] <chelo> "Unable to find a source package for valknut"
[08:42] <apokryphos> ah, hoary must not have it
[08:42] <apokryphos> chelo: why not upgrade to breezy?
[08:42] <apokryphos> do you have a slow connection?
[08:42] <chelo> strange that hoary dont have it 
[08:43] <chelo> i did some update to breezy but im not sure if that was 100% ok
[08:43] <hussam> Tm_T: which cards are legacy and which are not? I have a geforce fx 5200. is that one legacy?
[08:43] <apokryphos> spine55: yes, xine plays all those just fine
[08:43] <apokryphos> as does mplayer, vlc etc
[08:43] <Tm_T> hussam: 21:40 < Tm_T> pwn3r: Geforce2 is "legacy"
[08:43] <chelo> apokryphos:what is the easyest way to do that or i need to burn new cd??
[08:44] <chelo> i have good connection 
[08:44] <spine55> apokryphos: thanks
[08:44] <apokryphos> then you need to just edit one file and type one command =)
[08:44] <chelo> so connection is not a problem
[08:44] <apokryphos> !tell chelo about upgrade2breezy
[08:44] <chelo> hahaha that was cool thing 
[08:44] <chelo> thanx man 
[08:44] <hussam> Tm_T: ok thanks
[08:45] <Tm_T> hussam: I think legacy package has some info itself
[08:45] <apokryphos> chelo: just make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed before you go for the upgrade (as noted on the Pre-Upgrade point)
[08:46] <chelo> kubuntu-desktop?
[08:46] <apokryphos> it's a package
[08:47] <chelo> aha im gonna check
[08:48] <chelo> yes i have installed 1 packege with name kubuntu-desktop
[08:48] <chelo> *package
[08:48] <apokryphos> ok, then go for it
[08:50] <qatsi> no, im lost :S:S how can iinstall a CVS ?
[08:55] <pwn3r> is there something wrong with this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:55] <chelo> this was a fastest distro update i can remmeber :)
[08:56] <chelo> i hope it works 
[08:56] <pwn3r> it doesnt mention changing the "nv" to "nvidia". or am i cracking up and thats not needed anymore.
[08:56] <poco> hi
[08:56] <Tm_T> pwn3r: it's needed
[08:56] <pwn3r> ah ok
[08:56] <poco> whats the name of the program to configure the x login ? something like kcontrol maybe  or a kubuntu specific?
[08:57] <pwn3r> i wonder if someone removed it from the wiki. it seems kinda important
[08:57] <Tm_T> poco: kcontrol
[08:57] <poco> Tm_T: thx
[08:58] <apokryphos> pwn3r: it should be there; add it in =)
[08:59] <chelo> ok im on good way now is breezy done but i get this error :   Failed to satisfy Build-Depends dependency for valknut: cdbs
[08:59] <apokryphos> chelo: did you restart your computer?
[08:59] <chelo> nope :)
[08:59] <chelo> i need to that yea?
[08:59] <hussam> does dazuko module build under breezy?
[08:59] <apokryphos> chelo: it's under the instructions, yes :)
[09:00] <chelo> ok im back in 1 minute
[09:00] <chelo> i was litle bit fast 
[09:01] <pwn3r> apokryphos: I'll add it in after i get my drivers working.  :)
[09:01] <neoTheCat> hi, i am a newbie to the kubuntu world.  just a warning... i added the list from http://www.kubuntu.org/anouncements/kde-35beta2.php, and now when i try to install kubuntu-0.40, it is saying it can't install kdebase (missing dependencies).  any help would be appreciated.
[09:01] <qatsi> ahhh, im blowing my head off !!...i cant download the CVS of Cedega :S can anybody help me ?
[09:03] <pwn3r> qatsi: have you looked at this page? http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[09:03] <pwn3r> it has a script that will get the sources and build it for you
[09:03] <qatsi> pwn3r: yep, im actually there
[09:03] <pwn3r> ok :) i used it and it worked ok for me (on hoary tho)
[09:03] <qatsi> pwn3r: uhmm, then i didnt get thtat part :p because i have the script but i was looking for the download :p
[09:04] <pwn3r> the script should download the sources for you
[09:05] <qatsi> pwn3r: ok, ill try it
[09:05] <qatsi> pwn3r: downloading...
[09:05] <pwn3r> qatsi: when it gives you a list of different types of installs you can do just pick the first one.
[09:06] <pwn3r> that kinda confused me but the first one worked fine
[09:06] <qatsi> pwn3r: ok, ill do that :D thanx
[09:06] <pwn3r> no problem
[09:06] <chelo> im back 
[09:06] <chelo> reboot is done 
[09:06] <chelo> :)
[09:08] <pax> anyone got ipod nano to work with banshee, amaroK , gtkpod or any other prog?
[09:09] <chelo> apokryphos: what was for commado to get that bloody valknut :)
[09:09] <apokryphos> chelo: you want to get the one from the repositories?
[09:10] <apokryphos> chelo: then you can just use the Kubuntu Package Manager for it. Alt+F2 -> adept
[09:11] <chelo> that dcgui-qt and dcgui is just bad versions,windows and shit is on the whole wrong sides and works bad
[09:11] <chelo> im gonna try with kynaptic now
[09:11] <apokryphos> chelo: kynaptic is lame =)
[09:11] <apokryphos> Breezy ships with the better package manager -- adept. Use that
[09:12] <patoruso> hi 
[09:12] <apokryphos> hi
[09:12] <pwn3r> i cant get my nvidia drivers to work fo the life of me
[09:12] <patoruso> i'm using kubuntu 5.04 and i want to know how to upgrade to 5.10
[09:12] <apokryphos> !tell patoruso about upgrade2breezy
[09:13] <patoruso> ok i'll check the guide thanks
[09:13] <_liquidbinary_> pwn3r: What problem are you having?
[09:14] <chelo> apokryphos: yes its lame i se now,im not alowed to mark that package of valknut 
[09:14] <pwn3r> i installed the two packages mentioned in the wiki, then i change nv to nvidia and comment out the 2 options. 
[09:14] <apokryphos> chelo: ok, close the package managers. Type sudo apt-get install valknut
[09:15] <_liquidbinary_> pwn3r: Yes, I was having problems with my fx 5200
[09:15] <apokryphos> pwn3r: then?
[09:15] <pwn3r> ran nvidia-glx-configure enable
[09:15] <apokryphos> _liquidbinary_: works perfect here
[09:15] <_liquidbinary_> sporadic freezes
[09:15] <apokryphos> pwn3r: try doing a whole dpkg-reconfigure. Then restart X
[09:15] <pwn3r> then try to logout and restart my dm
[09:15] <pwn3r> hmm
[09:15] <_mars> !tell _mars about respo
[09:16] <apokryphos> pwn3r: so, that is: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:16] <pwn3r> im using wdm and last time i tried to restart it with the nvidia drivers set up it made a louder than usual noise :/
[09:16] <_mars> !tell _mars about respositories
[09:16] <_mars> Eee
[09:16] <pwn3r> hehe bur i do aree that sould like a good idea so i will try it :)
[09:17] <_mars> what the command for respositories for bot is?
[09:17] <chelo> apokryphos: can you read this if you have time ?
[09:17] <chelo> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/402186
[09:17] <apokryphos> !tell _mars about repositories
[09:17] <_mars> o
[09:17] <_mars> thanks
[09:18] <chelo> some of backages are broken and not working or ?
[09:18] <apokryphos> chelo: you definitely had kubuntu-desktop before you upgraded?
[09:18] <apokryphos> chelo: dpkg -l|grep kubuntu-desktop ..gives?
[09:18] <Boronk> any smp-amd64 users here in?
[09:22] <_chelo> and i still have hoary in sources toghether with breezy 
[09:22] <_chelo> im sure i changed in source.list all hoary to breezy
[09:22] <apokryphos> _chelo: did you not follow the instructions *exactly*?
[09:22] <apokryphos> you're meant to replace your whole sources.list file
[09:24] <shik45> is Adept an apt frontend
[09:25] <chimaera> shik45: yes.
[09:26] <shik45> good 
[09:26] <_chelo> im sure i did but i had some problem with it becose they explane how to do in synaptic and i use kynaptic that not look same 
[09:26] <_chelo> maybe that firts change i did wrong 
[09:26] <_chelo> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<H4 id="head-6bf38f295a8dc4a304de4a8e7d9b65cfa4590ebf">Through Synaptic Package Manager</H4>
[09:26] <_chelo> <OL type="0"><LI><P> Open up Synaptic Package Manager      </P></LI>
 Change your repositories to look for Breezy </P><UL>
[09:26] <_chelo> <LI style="list-style-type:none"><P>From 
         URI: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[09:26] <_chelo>          Distribution: hoary
[09:26] <_chelo>          Sections: main restricted</PRE></LI></UL></LI></OL></body>
[09:26] <_chelo> sorry 
[09:28] <apokryphos> you shouldn't paste in here
[09:28] <apokryphos> and I meant the apt-get method, obviously; didn't think you had synaptic
[09:28] <_chelo> yes i know my mistake 
[09:29] <_chelo> apt-get metod whnt fine 
[09:30] <apokryphos> pastebin your current sources.list
[09:30] <_chelo> dont understand why kynaptic gets hoary hosts when i changed all host to look for breezy 
[09:30] <_chelo> ok
[09:32] <hanarker> salve
[09:32] <_chelo> shit man my fault i changed those 4 last host to breezy but those 2 in upper part of document are still hoary 
[09:32] <hanarker> ragazzi c  qualcuno?
[09:32] <hanarker> some one can post source.list ??
[09:32] <_chelo> human faul allways :)
[09:32] <_chelo> *fault
[09:33] <hanarker> chelo
[09:33] <hanarker> can you post me your source.list??
[09:34] <_chelo> just a sec
[09:34] <hanarker> thx ;)
[09:35] <hanarker> leave it
[09:35] <qatsi> ok, when im installing the cedega thing, i need to have msttcorefonts, so i do apt-get install msttcorefonts, and it says that the package isnt available, but is referred to by another package....what should i do ?
[09:35] <hanarker> i found on an italia server
[09:35] <hanarker> try wine
[09:35] <hanarker> it's the same
[09:36] <qatsi> hanarker: wine instead of msttcorefonts ?
[09:36] <_chelo> this is a mine source.list for breezy:      http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/402203
[09:36] <hanarker> i don't know
[09:36] <hanarker> ok 
[09:36] <hanarker> thx chelo
[09:36] <_chelo> its ok
[09:37] <pwn3r_> winex(cedega) has better dirextx functionality from what i hear
[09:37] <aljosa> media:/ is not showing partitions. any help?
[09:39] <aljosa> fonts don't look to good. any help on that?
[09:39] <djperegrine> qatsi, stop wining :P
[09:40] <djperegrine> bada boom
[09:40] <qatsi> djperegrine: uhmm :p i cant....i want Warcraft III in linux
[09:40] <djperegrine> WINEing :P
[09:40] <djperegrine> but yea
[09:41] <qatsi> djperegrine: if that happens, i will change 100% to linux :p
[09:41] <djperegrine> I think I am going to biuld a monster PC and just dedicate it to gaming
[09:41] <qatsi> djperegrine: wait to the dual core proccesor :p
[09:42] <qatsi> djperegrine: and buy 2 PCI-Express video cards :D then....install cedega and tell me how to :D:D
[09:47] <duri> hello guys ... where did you hide the 'Show Desktop' icon in kubuntu ?
[09:48] <qatsi> yep, ive been looking for it too duri :p lets wait for someone to answer :p
[09:48] <duri> qatsi: it's seems very strange why they would do that ...
[09:49] <duri> qatsi : I got it
[09:49] <duri> right click on Kpanel then 'Configure Panel'
[09:50] <duri> no . right click on Kpanel then Add Special Button, choose Desktop Access
[09:50] <qatsi> duri :uhmm, ok, ill look for it :)
[09:51] <qatsi> duri: yep, its there :D thanx a lot :p
[09:51] <duri> qatsi: no problem
[09:54] <victor_> hola
[09:55] <_mars_> czesc
[09:55] <qatsi> victor si quieres en espaol entra al canal kubuntu-es, o ubuntu-es
[09:56] <victor_> ok
[10:01] <volker> Could you help me with my sound problems in my ThinkPad?
[10:05] <SillyCone> Hi, it looks like my system is using 999/1024MB RAM ...is that normal? :)
[10:06] <Juerd> SillyCone: Yes!
[10:06] <Juerd> SillyCone: Unusued RAM is *wasted* RAM!
[10:06] <Juerd> SillyCone: The OS fills it up with whatever it thinks can come in handy later.
[10:07] <Chiron> I'm having a little bit of trouble getting Breezy working on my laptop
[10:07] <Chiron> the resolution is really tiny
[10:07] <Chiron> 600X400
[10:07] <Chiron> and I can't make it bigger
[10:07] <SillyCone> Juerd, ok, thanks ..i was thinking that some programs dont get unloaded from memory
[10:07] <Chiron> do I need to download some driver?
[10:07] <Juerd> SillyCone: They might not.
[10:07] <Juerd> SillyCone: Because when you restart them, you'd have to load the same thing again.
[10:07] <Juerd> SillyCone: Instead, the system tries to make guesses about what to keep, and what not to.
[10:08] <SillyCone> Juerd, will they unload automatically when the memory is needed for something else?
[10:08] <Juerd> SillyCone: Whenever a lot of memory is actually *needed*, the old cruft is automatically overwritten.
[10:08] <SillyCone> Juerd, ok, i get it now
[10:08] <Juerd> This is all to make your system efficient.
[10:08] <SillyCone> Juerd, thanks :)
[10:08] <hussam> can somebody help me install dazuko module?
[10:08] <Juerd> SillyCone: Thank the developers who thought of this :)
[10:09] <SillyCone> :)
[10:09] <SillyCone> Chiron, what kind of video card do u have?
[10:10] <hussam> pax: hi
[10:10] <Chiron> SillyCone: it's an integrated video card
[10:10] <Chiron> SillyCone: I think it said in the xorg conf file
[10:10] <_poison> hi ^^
[10:10] <Chiron> SillyCone: let me go bring my laptop into this room
[10:10] <SillyCone> Chiron, I dont know much about laptop drivers, sorry
[10:11] <SillyCone> Chiron, I only have experience installing ATI and GeForce cards
[10:12] <SillyCone> I'm not sure what kind of drivers laptops use
[10:12] <pax> hi hussam, long time no see :)
[10:12] <Chiron> SillyCone: maybe someone else can help me figure it out
[10:13] <Chiron> SillyCone: I thought that Breezy was supposed to have tons of support for laptops
[10:13] <hume> hi...how can I make my konqueror show TWO panes instead of the one that i get as default in kubuntu? The options that I was used to from debian, a file managment setting, is not there.....
[10:13] <SillyCone> Chiron, you probably still have to download the drivers using synaptic or apt-get
[10:13] <Chiron> SillyCone: that's what I figured
[10:14] <SillyCone> Chiron, try to found out what your card is
[10:14] <Chiron> SillyCone: but I don't know which ones to get
[10:14] <SillyCone> find*
[10:14] <Chiron> SillyCone: okay, I found it
[10:14] <hussam> pax: are you running breezy?
[10:15] <SillyCone> Chiron, what is it?
[10:15] <pax> yes hussam, just upgraded few days ago
[10:15] <Chiron> SillyCone: "Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]  Chipset Integrated Graphics Device"
[10:15] <Chiron> SillyCone: that's the identifier
[10:16] <SillyCone> Chiron, ok, now google it :)))
[10:16] <Chiron> SillyCone: it uses the "i810" driver
[10:17] <Chiron> SillyCone: I found two different ways of doing it, both involve editing the xorg.conf
[10:17] <pax> anyone got ipod nano to work with banshee, amaroK , gtkpod or any other prog with breezy?
[10:18] <SillyCone> Chiron, why is that a problem?
[10:18] <hume> how do i load a view profile in konqueror, then? i find an option for saving, but none forloading....?
[10:18] <Chiron> SillyCone: I don't know which one to use
[10:19] <Chiron> SillyCone: how do I back up my xorg.conf using the CLI?
[10:19] <SillyCone> Chiron, just use cp xorg,conf xorg.conf_backup
[10:20] <SillyCone> it makes a copy of your xorg.conf file
[10:22] <Chiron> SillyCone: are you sure this isn't going to mess anything up?
[10:22] <Chiron> SillyCone: people keep putting disclaimers below their supposed "fixes"
[10:23] <SillyCone> Chiron, no, I'm not sure of anything :)
[10:24] <SillyCone> Chiron, but cp just makes a copy of your xorg.conf ...so, if something goes wrong, you can replace it with the previous file
[10:26] <snugglemonkey> hello.
[10:26] <snugglemonkey> can someone please tell me why I have compilers installed, but it seems as if applications can not compile on kubuntu?  I am trying to use kdesvn-build.
[10:27] <Chousuke> You do not have the required libs installed?
[10:27] <hume> snugglemonkey, what errors do you get?
[10:28] <snugglemonkey> I looked in /usr/bin and I see the gcc linked to gcc-4.0
[10:28] <Chousuke> that's normal.
[10:28] <frank23> snugglemonkey: almost everything in breezy is compiled with gcc-4
[10:29] <djperegrine> there is gcc-4 now ?
[10:29] <snugglemonkey> make: g++ command not found.
[10:29] <djperegrine> schweet
[10:29] <snugglemonkey> so, it seems to be looking for g++ lol.
[10:29] <Chousuke> you need g++ then
[10:29] <Chousuke> sudo apt-get install g++ ? :P
[10:29] <snugglemonkey> it's installed.  lol
[10:29] <snugglemonkey> might have to change ln
[10:29] <Chousuke> are you sure it is?
[10:29] <Chousuke> which g++
[10:30] <Chiron> SillyCone: I'm trying to find the vertical refresh and horizontal sync for my monitor
[10:30] <snugglemonkey> Chousuke: 4
[10:30] <Chousuke> djperegrine: has been around for ages now :P
[10:30] <Chiron> SillyCone: but it isn't in the documentation
[10:30] <hussam> What is the kernel module called "capability"?
[10:30] <Chousuke> snugglemonkey: I meant type that command.
[10:30] <Chousuke> to see its path
[10:30] <frank23> snugglemonkey: maybe make wants a specific version of g++? is it possible
[10:30] <snugglemonkey> Chousuke: /usr/bin/gcc
[10:30] <snugglemonkey> of course..
[10:30] <djperegrine> last time I checked was a few mounths ago :P
[10:31] <Chousuke> um.
[10:31] <snugglemonkey> I'll install all of the gcc and see, Chousuke 
[10:31] <snugglemonkey> :)
[10:31] <Chousuke> snugglemonkey: my g++ is /usr/bin/g++ 
[10:31] <Chousuke> :P
[10:31] <Chousuke> You need g++.
[10:31] <Chousuke> which is and is not gcc
[10:31] <Chousuke> :D
[10:32] <snugglemonkey> it's funny that compling somethign on kubuntu can be so tedious.   Definately isn't set to build. :)
[10:32] <Chousuke> nah
[10:32] <Chousuke> you just need g++
[10:32] <Chousuke> :P
[10:32] <Chousuke> what does dpkg -l g++ say?
[10:32] <Chousuke> Also, it's "definitely"
[10:33] <Chousuke> that error is so common I'm forced to correct it.
[10:33] <hussam> I have a kernel question. I compiled an installed dazuko kernel module. how do I get it to load before "capability" does?
[10:33] <snugglemonkey> Chousuke: thanks, mom.   :-D
[10:33] <Blissex> hussam: thats not totally easy depending on how they load.
[10:34] <Chousuke> snugglemonkey: Ha ha :P
[10:34] <Blissex> hussam: a ''static'' way is to list them in '/etc/modules' in the right order.
[10:34] <hussam> Blissex: capability is not in /etc/modules
[10:34] <Chousuke> anyway, now tell me what dpkg -l g++ says
[10:34] <Blissex> hussam: another way is to use one of the directives in the modutils config file.
[10:35] <hussam> Blissex: I didn't understand that
[10:35] <Blissex> hussam: first or second?
[10:35] <hussam> Blissex: second
[10:36] <Blissex> hussam: when 'modprobe' is invoked to load a module it consults one or more configuration files (version dependent) to see which options to use for loading the module. You can put in one of those files an option to load module A before loading module B.
[10:36] <hussam> Blissex: the  modutils config file part
[10:37] <libben> Riddell: http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=335.msg3746#msg3746
[10:39] <hussam> Blissex: so I need to exit something in /etc/modutils ?
[10:40] <Chiron> I'm trying to edit my wireless settings in the "system settings" area
[10:40] <Chiron> but when I type in my root password
[10:40] <Chiron> it reads it
[10:40] <Blissex> hussam: yes, like adding a file with the right directive.
[10:40] <Chiron> and then doesn't let me edit stuff
[10:41] <hussam> Blissex: any idea how I could do that?
[10:42] <frank23> Chiron: That is a bad KDE bug...   The way I did it was to  install  gnome-system-tools  and then run  sudo network-admin
[10:42] <franz> hi there. using kubuntu (live) for the very first time!
[10:43] <Blissex> hussam: well, any text editor. Look at 'man 5 modprobe.conf' and in particular for the 'above' and 'below' directives.
[10:43] <Chiron> frank23: I just kdesu'd the systemsettings program
[10:43] <Chiron> frank23: do you know how to get this wireless thing working?
[10:44] <Chiron> frank23: I tried setting the settings, but it doesn't want to connect
[10:44] <Chiron> I'm surprised there isn't an autodetect
[10:46] <hussam> Blissex: I'm still not getting any of this. what are 'above' and 'below' directives?
[10:46] <franz> went to Disk&Filesystems - System Settings and choosed "Administarator Mode" but it doesn't let me enable my existing partitions on my hd
[10:46] <frank23> Chiron: network-manager is supposed to be able to autodeteck networks
[10:47] <frank23> Chiron: I never used network-manager though because there is a conflict with vmware
[10:47] <Chiron> frank23: do I have to download that?
[10:48] <franz> How can I access my hard disks from kubuntu live ?
[10:49] <Blissex> hussam: they are explained in 'man 5 modprobe'
[10:49] <Blissex> franz: just mount them manually
[10:50] <franz> Blissex: they are not seen from konqueror. I dunno how kubuntu names them
[10:50] <Blissex> franz: have a look at the '/etc/fstab' file.
[10:50] <franz> sure, thanks Blissex 
[10:50] <Blissex> franz: and I doubt very much that they get automatically, you need to mount them manually.
[10:51] <Blissex> franz: at worst, open a Konsole, do 'sudo bash', and then 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' or similar and then 'mount /dev/hda /mnt/hda' or similar
[10:52] <wie> hya everybody i want to ask how can i insatll gcc with kubuntu
[10:53] <hussam> Blissex: I already read 'man 5 modprobe.conf"
[10:54] <Chiron> does anyone here know how to set up a wireless connection in Kubuntu?
[10:55] <Chiron> I can't seem to find a guide online
[10:58] <libben> whats the diffrence by installing by ./configure and make make install comparing it to a deb file?
[10:59] <libben> deb file is the windows exe. but whats the ./configure and all that compared to?
[10:59] <hussam> actually deb is like a windows .msi 
[11:00] <frank23> Chiron: yes you have to get network-manager with adpet
[11:00] <frank23> Chiron: yes you have to get network-manager with adept
[11:00] <libben> im into installing kbear. but its not updated in the repos and i know i can install it by ./configure and make and make install.. but ive never made this step. and i wanna know what can go wrong. do i need to change any paths for kubuntu? cause of its hierchay
[11:01] <SillyCone> how come gaim systray icon is transparent, but it still has a white square around it in KDE?
[11:02] <Chiron> SillyCone: it isn't transparent
[11:02] <apokryphos> libben: no equivalent on Windows; that's compiling from source
[11:02] <SillyCone> Chiron, if I open it in GAIM, it is
[11:02] <franz> Blissex: Itried as suggested but hda is not in fstab or mtab
[11:02] <Chiron> SillyCone: the color around the gaim icon is a whitish hue
[11:02] <apokryphos> libben: why do you want to use Kbear? What's wrong with Konqueror?
[11:02] <frank23> Chiron: are you using a wired connection on ubuntu right now?
[11:02] <Chiron> SillyCone: as is the taskbar
[11:02] <Chiron> frank23: no, I'm on my Windows desktop
[11:02] <libben> apokryphos: konq is a ftp also?
[11:02] <Blissex> franz: then you really have to do it manually using the commands above.
[11:02] <SillyCone> Chiron, I mean GIMP, if I open it in GIMP it is transparent
[11:03] <apokryphos> libben: indeed
[11:03] <libben> is it ssl and some sort of stuff ?
[11:03] <apokryphos> libben: ftp://username@domainname.com
[11:03] <Chiron> SillyCone: if you look on the gaim website, they tell you it's some bug in KDE
[11:03] <franz> i did it manually Blissex!
[11:03] <SillyCone> Chiron, so, there's no way to change it?
[11:03] <Chiron> well
[11:03] <Chiron> I make my taskbar the same color
[11:03] <wie> ehm guys how can i install the compilor in kubuntu 
[11:03] <Chiron> because I light a lighter taskbar than the default
[11:04] <Chiron> if you do some fancy stuff in the gimp
[11:04] <Chiron> taskbar textures
[11:04] <Chiron> you can really make it hard to tell apart
[11:04] <Chiron> just play around with the gradient tool
[11:04] <Chiron> SillyCone: I actually got it working one time on Hoary by accident
[11:04] <Chiron> SillyCone: I compiled it one day and it worked
[11:04] <libben> apokryphos: im sure its good ... but its not the same as a ftp client
[11:05] <SillyCone> ok, I never used gimp before, just photoshop
[11:05] <libben> its like using IE for all ur ftp'ing also
[11:05] <Chiron> libben: KBear isn't a very good FTP client
[11:05] <SillyCone> but I'll see what I can do
[11:05] <apokryphos> libben: no, it's not. It *is* an FTP client
[11:05] <libben> Chiron: its not ?
[11:05] <Chiron> libben: no, I used to use it
[11:05] <Chiron> libben: I use an ftp client called Kasablanca now
[11:06] <libben> it seems its the answer to flashfxp on windows
[11:06] <Chiron> libben: there are plenty of FTP clients to choose from, they're not difficult to make using QT
[11:06] <Chiron> apokryphos: you seem to know a lot of stuff, do you think you could help me with my wireless?
[11:07] <Chiron> apokryphos: I just put Breezy on this morning
[11:07] <apokryphos> Chiron: nope, sorry
[11:07] <libben> my problem is ive tried diffrent ftp clients when i was on gnome like 5 months ago. and i could not login to my friends ftp with none of em, cause my friend has ssl i think. thinking of using flashfxp with wine to just be able to use his ftpserver
[11:07] <Chiron> damn
[11:07] <Chiron> libben: Wine and Cedega can't use the network
[11:08] <Chiron> libben: most FTP clients support SSL
[11:08] <_manveru> there was a really good ftp/sftp-client...
[11:08] <_manveru> had even a nice interface
[11:08] <Chiron> libben: try Kasablanca, it's all QTized
[11:08] <libben> ive tried it 6 months ago and it dident work then =(
[11:09] <Chiron> http://kasablanca.berlios.de/
[11:09] <LostFan84> hi
[11:09] <Chiron> someone has to be able to help me with the wireless
[11:10] <frank> Chiron: still there?
[11:10] <Chiron> it's detecting the network, and connected to it
[11:10] <Chiron> frank: yeah
[11:10] <frank> Chiron: you can connect?
[11:10] <Chiron> frank: it connects, but I can't get it to work
[11:11] <Chiron> ath0: IEEE 802.11g wireless card
[11:11] <libben> hmm
[11:11] <Chiron> connected to ESSID: Chiron
[11:11] <libben> Chiron: no kasablanca in the repos
[11:11] <frank> I just tried setting mine up with the system setting network module and failed
[11:11] <Chiron> I can't be far off
[11:11] <Kibou> how can I stop konqueror from popping up when i load a cd?
[11:11] <Chiron> frank: well I can't exactly get packages on that computer
[11:11] <frank> Chiron: this is why I use gnome-system-tools
[11:11] <_manveru> ah, the client i was talking of was gftp, maybe not a good choice
[11:11] <Chiron> frank: there has to be a better way
[11:12] <Chiron> _manveru: gftp is okay, I'm not sure whether it works with the GTK-QT engine
[11:12] <_manveru> it's on gtk
[11:12] <Chiron> _manveru: I always prefer native QT applications
[11:12] <libben> so whats the diffrence between using a deb and make make install? 
[11:12] <_manveru> yeah, i know
[11:12] <_manveru> me too
[11:12] <_manveru> but i had to drop kbear, it was too unstable
[11:12] <libben> cause a deb is fixed for debian, but ubuntu use another hierachy ?
[11:12] <Chiron> _manveru: which is why I suggested Kasablanca
[11:12] <frank> Chiron: take a look in bugzilla about wireless configuration in kubuntu: you're not the only one having problems. I just am not sure exaclty how to fix it
[11:13] <Chiron> frank: well can't I use the CLI to configure it?
[11:13] <_manveru> Chiron: i never tried or heard Kasablanca, i think i will give it a try, but in the meanwhile i use konqueror
[11:13] <frank> Chiron: yes you can but I don't know how exaclty
[11:13] <Chiron> frank: I mean, it's connected
[11:13] <libben> so if i use a ./configure instead of a deb, wouldent it get some wrong paths?
[11:13] <Chiron> libben: no, compiling is great
[11:14] <frank> Chiron edit   /etc/network/interfaces
[11:14] <Chiron> libben: especially if the app was build for KDE
[11:14] <LostFan84> :)
[11:14] <libben> as kasablanca is, hence the K in the name =)
[11:14] <libben> Chiron: well, yes for kde, but kde is on more then just debian systems
[11:14] <frank> Chiron: I can show you my interfaces file if you want an example..
[11:15] <Chiron> frank: okay, pastebin?
[11:15] <_manveru> libben: to compile, you have to get all the dependencies - means a lot of work... and it is not that easy to upgrade or remove...
[11:15] <_manveru> libben: if you want to compile your stuff, use gentoo :)
[11:15] <Chiron> _manveru: compiling is awesome, what are you talking about?
[11:15] <frank> libben: compiling is ok if the program you want is not in the ubuntu repositories
[11:15] <_manveru> *duck*
[11:16] <Chiron> _manveru: just use checkinstall, not make install
[11:16] <Chiron> I laugh at the people who use make install
[11:16] <_manveru> what does checkinstall do?
[11:16] <libben> so instead of make install, checkinstall
[11:16] <Chiron> automagically creates a .deb packages from source and installs it
[11:16] <Chiron> *package
[11:16] <Chiron> libben: sudo checkinstall
[11:16] <_manveru> without me requireing to make a deb-spec?
[11:17] <frank> yeah I use checkinstall to: it works great
[11:17] <Chiron> libben: you have to get the checkinstall package first
[11:17] <frank> Chiron: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/402315
[11:18] <frank> Chiron: I have a static IP and  no encryption
[11:18] <_david> Anyone got a moment to help me with a seemingly simple question?
[11:19] <_manveru> just ask
[11:19] <_david> I ran Adept Updater two days ago and got a bunch of upgrades.  Also, my clock changed...
[11:20] <_david> It says the time, the day of the week then "New York"
[11:20] <_david> I want it to say, the time, day of week and the date
[11:20] <Chiron> frank: I need to use DHCP though
[11:20] <frank> _david: right click clock->Show time zone->local timezone
[11:20] <timlinux> _david: just middle click the clock
[11:21] <timlinux> it will cycle through your configured time zones
[11:21] <_david> The middle clicking worked
[11:21] <_david> Thanks!
[11:21] <Chiron> frank: do I have to reset something?
[11:21] <_david> One problem down, a few more to go :-P
[11:21] <_david> Thanks a lot though!
[11:21] <LostFan84> #music
[11:22] <qatsi> ahhh, finally Warcraft is installin under Wine....:D
[11:22] <wie> guys i want to compile a program and i get some output c compiler cannot create executable
[11:22] <Chiron> Wine? lol
[11:22] <wie> how can i solve this problem 
[11:22] <qatsi> chimaera:  why lol? :p
[11:22] <Chiron> wie: do you have build-essential?
[11:22] <wie> dunno 
[11:22] <timlinux> wie: how long is a piece of string? you will need to give a _lot_ more detail than that
[11:23] <Chiron> wie: well I would look if I were you
[11:23] <wie> Chiron, wat are the build essential 
[11:24] <Chiron> find a package called "build-essential"
[11:24] <frank> Chiron: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/402325
[11:24] <frank> Chiron: with dhcp
[11:24] <Chiron> frank: okay, thanks
[11:24] <Chiron> frank: how do I apply the settings?
[11:24] <_david> Okay, here is another one... anyone here have AMD64 with Kubuntu? Does your cool'n'quiet work?
[11:24] <Chiron> frank: should I just restart?
[11:25] <wie> thanbks now its building 
[11:25] <wie> thanks Chiron 
[11:25] <Chiron> wie: no problem
[11:25] <wie> lol 
[11:25] <LostFan84> Chiron: hi
[11:25] <Chiron> LostFan84: hello
[11:25] <wie> Chiron, do you know what x includes are
[11:26] <Chiron> wie: I know what includes are
[11:26] <frank> wie:   xlibs-dev  probably
[11:26] <Chiron> frank: I just restarted my computer
[11:26] <Chiron> frank: we'll see if it works
[11:27] <Chiron> frank: always feel stupid when I restart linux, like I'm defeating the purpose of the whole thing
[11:27] <frank> Chiron: to restart networking, do sudo /etc/init.d/networking  restart
[11:27] <Chiron> frank: okay, I'll remember that for future reference
[11:27] <frank> Chiron: only kernel changes require restarts. everything else is just ignorance ;-)
[11:28] <Chiron> YES!
[11:28] <Chiron> w00t!!!!!!
[11:28] <frank> Chiron: it works?
[11:28] <Chiron> frank: yeah, I once knew this crazy Linux guy
[11:28] <LostFan84> !help
[11:28] <kinfo> Available commands: !help, !uptime, !netuse, ??, !!, !cs, !whoset, !learn, !relearn, !forget, !topten, !status
[11:28] <Chiron> frank: who refused to restart his computer
[11:29] <Tm_T> !cs
[11:29] <ubotu> Tm_T: I haven't a clue
[11:29] <Chiron> frank: because he thought he wouldn't be any better than the Windows people
[11:29] <Tm_T> ok, what's cs
[11:29] <Chiron> frank: yeah, it works
[11:29] <LostFan84> !uptime
[11:29] <kinfo> [uptime]  - [total]  119d 4h 12m 37s - [eu.freenode.net]  3d 21h 50m 33s - in a total of 21 connections
[11:29] <james13> Can you help with sound and Beezy?
[11:30] <Tm_T> LostFan84: tell me, what's the point of that bot?
[11:30] <frank> Chiron: kubuntu really suffers from those systemsettings problems. Apparently, the fault lies with KDE
[11:30] <LostFan84> Tm_T: It tells you how long it's been up.
[11:30] <Tm_T> LostFan84: I mean whole point of that bot?
[11:30] <Tm_T> being here
[11:31] <LostFan84> Tm_T: For help?
[11:31] <Tm_T> is it useful for us?
[11:31] <LostFan84> Tm_T: Sometimes
[11:31] <Tm_T> how
[11:31] <LostFan84> Tm_T: Sometimes it's an a$$
[11:31] <james13> !help
[11:31] <kinfo> Available commands: !help, !uptime, !netuse, ??, !!, !cs, !whoset, !learn, !relearn, !forget, !topten, !status
[11:31] <LostFan84> !topten
[11:31] <ubotu> LostFan84: I haven't a clue
[11:31] <kinfo> Top ten learners: 1. uniq [20] , 2. seth_k [4] , 
[11:31] <Tm_T> can't see anything useful
[11:31] <LostFan84> see what i mean
[11:32] <frank> LostFan84: I don't think non-silent bots are allowed here
[11:32] <Chiron> frank: yeah, but it's a great idea
[11:32] <Chiron> frank: super integrated, easy to use
[11:32] <Tm_T> LostFan84: how it's useful to me?
[11:32] <LostFan84> frank: They don't bother me
[11:32] <Chiron> frank: they're probably gonna have it working by 3.5, which is almost out
[11:32] <Tm_T> please explain
[11:32] <LostFan84> Tm_T: I dunno....it's simply a matter of opinion
[11:33] <Tm_T> ...
[11:33] <Tm_T> seems to me it's just annoying bot
[11:34] <Tm_T> its my opinion as long as there's no good explanation
[11:34] <frank> Chiron: that's true but it still sucks for people who won't think of upgrading to 3.5 or just want to stick with the stable version
[11:35] <Chiron> frank: that's what is so good about all of this integrated upgrading
[11:35] <Chiron> frank: all people will have to do is add a repository
[11:35] <Chiron> frank: and click upgrade
[11:35] <frank> Chiron: yeah, apt is great
[11:35] <libben> so know what ?
[11:35] <Chiron> frank: it's beautiful
[11:35] <libben> ive tar -xvvf my kasablanca gzipped file
[11:36] <Chiron> frank: so what was that gnome wireless manager package?
[11:36] <libben> i should not use ./configure and make?
[11:36] <frank> Chiron: gnome-system-tools
[11:36] <libben> so what do i type with checkinstall?
[11:36] <Chiron> libben: sudo checkinstall
[11:36] <frank> libben: you do  ./configure  then  make  then  checkinstall
[11:36] <frank> libben: you do  ./configure  then  make  then  sudo checkinstall
[11:37] <frank> Chiron: and there is also  network-manager  but I never used it
[11:39] <frank> ... ignorance is bliss
[11:39] <Chiron> frank: I wonder why my link quality is so low on my wireless
[11:39] <Chiron> frank: I'm right next to the router
[11:39] <_david> Anyone here know much about Kernels?
[11:39] <libben> frank: dont i need -d on checkinstall also
[11:39] <libben> -d == building debian package
[11:40] <frank> Chiron: are you running kwifiwireless?
[11:40] <frank> Chiron: are you running kwifimanager  sorry
[11:40] <Chiron> kwifiwireless?
[11:40] <_david> How do I install a more up-to-date linux kernel?
[11:40] <Chiron> frank: what is that?
[11:40] <frank> libben: um without -d,   checkinstall  builds the .deb and installs it automatically
[11:40] <Chiron> frank: I just have the Wireless Manager Applet for the Kicker running
[11:41] <raphink> _david: apt-cache search linux-image
[11:41] <frank> Internet->Kwifimanager
[11:41] <raphink> _david: then choose the kernel that fits your needs the best
[11:41] <raphink> depending on your proc
[11:41] <Chiron> how do I restart kdm?
[11:41] <timlinux> can anyone recommend a good 'known to work' pci wireless adapter for use in kubuntu breezy?
[11:41] <raphink> Chiron: sudo killall kdm && sudo kdm &
[11:42] <Chiron> frank: it says "ULTIMATE - Signal Strength: 60"
[11:42] <Blissex> timlinux: not so easy... Look at RAlink based ones, there are a few 11b ones.
[11:42] <Chiron> raphink: do I have to exit KDE first?
[11:42] <frank> Chiron: that's good
[11:42] <timlinux> Blissex: thanks
[11:42] <raphink> Chiron: if you don't exit KDE, it will do it for you ;)
[11:43] <raphink> by force
[11:43] <raphink> lol
[11:43] <Blissex> timlinux: note that I said '11b', the driver for the RAlink 54g ones is not quite there yet.
[11:43] <frank> Chiron: the wireless applet says my connection is bad too but it's because the max it thinks I can reach is not possible
[11:43] <raphink> so it's better if you exit it cleanly first
[11:43] <raphink> _david: got your kernel?
[11:44] <Chiron> frank: the wireless meter for my card in Windows is really messed up
[11:44] <Chiron> frank: It'll say I have an excellent connection until I go too far and it drops
[11:44] <Chiron> frank: fortunately it doesn't drop unless I leave my property
[11:45] <Chiron> up the street
[11:45] <libben> when i type man checkinstall
[11:45] <libben> it tells me -D builds deb file
[11:45] <frank> Chiron: ;-)
[11:45] <Chiron> libben: stop being dumb
[11:45] <Chiron> libben: sudo checkinstall
[11:45] <frank> libben: I run checkinstall  with no options all the time
[11:45] <Chiron> libben: do you know how many times I've compiled programs like that?
[11:45] <_david> I think I found a repeatable crash in OOo, can anyone else please verify? I'm running OOo 2.0
[11:46] <libben> Chiron: im not asking in a dumb way. it just i looked thru the man page before i do it.
[11:46] <libben> and it states -D
[11:46] <timlinux> Blissex: b should be fine for net access over a cable modem
[11:46] <libben> but im sure if u just use as it intended too,. it builds debs
[11:46] <libben> after all, checkinstall is made for debs
[11:46] <wie> Chiron, in wich package are the qt liberies and header files and how can i find out myself 
[11:46] <frank> _david: sure if it doesn't take too much time
[11:46] <libben> and has options for rpm and another package
[11:46] <_mars> !tell _mars about repositories
[11:47] <_david> frank: it's easy
[11:47] <_mars> can someone ask for repositories form me ? :] 
[11:47] <Chiron> wie: if you use KDevelop the QT library is statically compiled in
[11:47] <_david> One sec, let me restart OOo again :-P
[11:47] <frank> wie what are you trying to compile?
[11:47] <wie> ksmoothdock 
[11:48] <wie> frank, ksmoothdock 
[11:48] <_david> Okay, frank, ready? Open OOo writer, at the bottom of the screen, it says "100% - INSRT - STD - HYP"
[11:48] <_david> Click on "STD" a bunch of times
[11:48] <libben> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[11:49] <wie> libben install the build-essentiels
[11:49] <libben> $PATH
[11:49] <libben> bash: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games: No such file or directory
[11:49] <libben> ok
[11:49] <frank> _david: ok
[11:49] <wie> just heard it mysel :)
[11:49] <_david> Did that crash it?
[11:49] <_mars> Ask ubotu about respositories for me please
[11:50] <frank> _david: how many time?
[11:50] <_david> 5 or 6
[11:50] <frank> I must have clicked 50 times
[11:50] <_david> Okay, strange
[11:50] <_david> SO why does mine hang ?
[11:50] <Chiron> does Linux not have a sleep mode?
[11:50] <qatsi> hello !...does anybody knows how to install Warcraft III Frozen throne and make it work under wine ?
[11:51] <_david> repeatedly
[11:51] <Chiron> qatsi: you don't use wine
[11:51] <qatsi> Chiron: i cant install Cedega :S
[11:51] <Chiron> qatsi: you have to use Cedega
[11:51] <wie> david build-essential
[11:51] <Chiron> qatsi: why can't you install Cedega?
[11:51] <wie> david, i wrote it wrong
[11:51] <_david> build-essential?
[11:51] <wie> yes 
[11:51] <_david> What about it?
[11:52] <qatsi> Chiron: i have errors while executing the sh file...specifically in the make section
[11:52] <wie> sorry that was meant for libbeb 
[11:52] <frank> wie: to get kde build-dependancies, try   sudo apt-get build-dep kuser
[11:52] <_david> Ah, okay :-P
[11:52] <_david> Frank what arc are you using?
[11:52] <frank> wie: you need to have the deb-src repos enabled for that
[11:52] <frank> _david: 386
[11:52] <libben> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[11:52] <libben> the last line in ./configure
[11:53] <_david> Okay, I'm on the AMD64 - let me restart and see if it keeps doing it
[11:53] <zyn> did you install xlibs-dev?
[11:53] <_david> brbv
[11:53] <Blissex> timlinux: if you just require 11b, then  use an USB stick.
[11:53] <frank> libben: did you install libx11-dev ?
[11:53] <wie> libben xlib-dev
[11:53] <libben> apparntly not
[11:53] <wie> libben xlibs-dev
[11:53] <libben> why doesnt anything says this?
[11:53] <wie> dunno 
[11:53] <qatsi> Chiron: ?
[11:54] <wie> libben you have a fresh install like i do 
[11:54] <Blissex> timlinux: I have got a ZyDAS 1201 11b USB stick and it works pretty well,.
[11:54] <_mars> Where can i find respo for breezy?
[11:54] <frank> libben: every time ./configure complains about includes or headers, you need some -dev package
[11:54] <wie> and you need a lot of software and liberies and header files to be installed 
[11:54] <libben> wow
[11:54] <libben> it had som deps that one 
[11:54] <Blissex> timlinux: ah BTW, I misremembered the RAlink 2500 54g based driver works well, it is the ZyDAS 54g one that is not quite finished.
[11:54] <Chiron> qatsi: what?
[11:55] <Chiron> they have packages
[11:55] <LeeJunFan> Man, this automounting sh1t is pissing me off. What is mounting my usb HD against the wishes of my fstab config?
[11:55] <qatsi> Chiron: im trying to install Cedega once more...but ive tried without luck :S
[11:55] <qatsi> cvs
[11:55] <Chiron> qatsi: PM
[11:56] <libben> do i really wanna have this much deps =)
[11:56] <libben> getting the feeling of bloated system
[11:56] <wie> what do you get libben 
[11:56] <frank> libben: those are not programs, just files
[11:56] <qatsi> Chiron: wait, i have to log in to send personal messages
[11:56] <Chiron> qatsi: are you sure?
[11:57] <Chiron> qatsi: I'm not logged in
[11:57] <frank> you need to be registered yeah
[11:57] <qatsi> Chiron: well it says that PM are only for registered
[11:57] <frank> Chiron: if you make a new channel, qatsi can join it too
[11:57] <_mars> Ehh
[11:58] <_mars> I asked you to write !tell _mars about repositories pleade
[11:58] <Chiron> qatsi: did you get my PM this time?
[11:58] <qatsi> ok...ill make a channel called #chiron, join please Chiron :)
[11:58] <qatsi> yep.........
[11:58] <Chiron> well, why don't you respond?
[11:58] <Chiron> just msg nickserv register password
[11:59] <libben> http://pastebin.com/402361
[11:59] <libben> now what
[12:00] <qatsi> Chiron: uhmm, wait a se
[12:00] <qatsi> c
[12:00] <libben> Chiron: ^^
[12:02] <libben> wie: what do i need more?
[12:02] <libben> http://pastebin.com/402361