[12:53] <Lord_Maynoth> just wondering if anyone knows what features dapper drake is going to have?
[12:53] <Lord_Maynoth> it it autoconfig my windows partitions?
[12:56] <HiddenWolf> Lord_Maynoth, breezy should do that.
[12:56] <Lord_Maynoth> it doesn't by default
[12:56] <Lord_Maynoth> you can download a script
[12:56] <HiddenWolf> Lord_Maynoth, dappergoals will be decided next week
[12:56] <Lord_Maynoth> awesome
[12:56] <HiddenWolf> Lord_Maynoth, installer should pick it up, but not mount it, no.
[12:56] <HiddenWolf> we don't want rm -rf /media/windows happening by mistake. :P
[12:57] <Lord_Maynoth> I bet in a year or two ubuntu will be a viabler replacement  to windows (for windows idiots like me)
[12:57] <Lord_Maynoth> your guys are evolving ubuntu at such an awesome rate
[12:58] <HiddenWolf> we're hoping to be there faster. :)
[12:58] <Lord_Maynoth> now if autopackage would only hurry up and design a native package and dependency resolution system.... switching to linux might just be possible
[12:58] <Lord_Maynoth> I can't wait
[12:58] <Lord_Maynoth> ^_^
[12:59] <HiddenWolf> Lord_Maynoth, excuse me, but autopackage is scary shit.
[12:59] <Lord_Maynoth> awesome if you ask me
[12:59] <HiddenWolf> Lord_Maynoth, I wouldn't install it for the love of god.
[12:59] <Lord_Maynoth> I used gaim 1.50 and abiword on hoary
[12:59] <Lord_Maynoth> with no problems
[12:59] <Lord_Maynoth> and it even provided an unistaller
[01:00] <Lord_Maynoth> Autopackage really has a bad rep
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> Lord_Maynoth, you probably know what you're doing, but I don't want to see ubuntu getting a bad reputation because $randomnoob can by default start clicking on random executables and mess up his system.
[01:00] <HiddenWolf> so no, I'm not a fan of autopackage.
[01:01] <HiddenWolf> .deb is not ideal, but it works _well_
[01:01] <Lord_Maynoth> yeah... but it or something like it is going to have to happen before linux becomes mainstream
[01:01] <Lord_Maynoth> I have had more probs with debs than ap
[01:01] <Lord_Maynoth> no icons etc
[01:01] <HiddenWolf> Lord_Maynoth, that's just a .desktop file that needs to be made. that's a 5minute bugfix.
[01:02] <HiddenWolf> Lord_Maynoth, universe should be mostly cleaned out as far as desktop files go nowadays.
[01:02] <Lord_Maynoth> oh
[01:02] <Lord_Maynoth> I found a bug
[01:02] <Lord_Maynoth> freeciv the game does not install from the add/remove programs
[01:02] <HiddenWolf> launchpad.net/malone
[01:18] <dilinger> you guys need to link to the netinstall images for breezy :P
[01:43] <HiddenWolf> any server admin on?
[01:43] <HiddenWolf> http://help.ubuntu.com/faqguide/C/index.html
[01:43] <HiddenWolf> Not Found
[01:43] <HiddenWolf> The requested URL /faqguide/C/index.html was not found on this server.
[01:43] <HiddenWolf> Apache/2.0.54 (Ubuntu) PHP/4.4.0-3 Server at help.ubuntu.com Port 80'
[01:48] <derek> hey, i think i found a bug
[01:48] <ajmitch> file a bug then
[01:49] <derek> i installed warty->hoary->breezy one right after another, and it was running funny, i did apt-get distupgrade
[01:49] <derek> it never installed ubuntu-desktop meta
[01:49] <derek> i have no browser yet :) i will when i have one
[01:50] <HiddenWolf> derek, just apt-get ubuntu-desktop then.
[02:18] <sabdfl> hey stubarooney
[02:23] <lifeless> stub: yo
[02:23] <stub> yo
[03:01] <sabdfl> night guys
[04:22] <jayakumar2> any of you coming to foss.in/2005?
[04:43] <dilinger> breezy's installer *really* wants to create a partition on /dev/md0
[04:49] <Lathiat> dilinger: heh
[06:18] <fabbione> mdz: meh no.. i meant available by default on all arches
[06:18] <fabbione> mdz; fixed..
[06:26] <mdz> fabbione: grazie
[06:26] <fabbione> mdz: prego :)
[06:26] <fabbione> ah rocking..
[06:26] <fabbione> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide <-
[09:43] <zyga> morning
[09:44] <Keybuk> so it is
[09:47] <fabbione> Riddell: ping?=
[09:47] <fabbione> bella Scott
[09:47] <Keybuk> fabbione: which day do you get to Canada?  Wednesday?
[09:47] <fabbione> Keybuk: yes
[09:48] <Keybuk> I arrive Thursday evening
[09:48] <fabbione> Keybuk: cool.. 
[09:48] <fabbione> i will be playing the turist till sunday
[09:48] <Keybuk> me also
[09:48] <fabbione> at least that's what i am hoping for ;)
[09:49] <fabbione> now.. why the last KDE updates did kill all my local changes?
[09:49] <fabbione> Riddell: you better show up dude...
[09:49] <fabbione> ;)
[09:50] <fabbione> Keybuk:  i am getting this little mythtv box up and running, very slowly :)
[09:50] <Keybuk> I'm hanging around waiting for a delivery van to arrive
[09:50] <fabbione> Keybuk: what are you waiting for?
[09:50] <Keybuk> which is possibly one of the most prolonged, irritating and ultimately disappointing things you can spend a weekend doing
[09:50] <Keybuk> other than being in bed with my ex, of course
[09:50] <fabbione> ehheh
[09:50] <Keybuk> fabbione: like the rest of the world, my 770
[09:51] <fabbione> 770 ??
[09:51] <Keybuk> www.nokia.com/770
[09:51] <fabbione> oh
[09:51] <fabbione> i am not into mobile phones and stuff like that
[09:51] <zyga> fabbione: it's not a phone
[09:52] <zyga> fabbione: if it were, it'd be usefull
[09:52] <Keybuk> it's not a phone, it's a hand-held web browser, basically
[09:52] <fabbione> ah
[09:52] <Keybuk> has wi-fi and bluetooth to get to the world
[09:52] <zyga> fabbione: it's a touchscreen with a browser, mostly open source
[09:52] <fabbione> ok gotcha
[09:52] <zyga> fabbione: unfortunatly the battery lasts for 2 hours ;] 
[09:52] <zyga> so it's really useful *g*
[09:52] <fabbione> Keybuk:  i am waiting for my powerbook :) 
[09:52] <fabbione> too bad it won't make it for UBZ :(
[09:53] <zyga> Keybuk: how much does the nokia cost now?
[09:53] <Keybuk> dunno, I got one of the developer ones
[09:53] <zyga> ah
[09:53] <zyga> neet :)
[09:57] <Keybuk> or, at least, am waiting for it to arrive
[10:06] <fabbione> bah
[10:07] <fabbione> the last kde uploads are full of regressions
[10:07] <fabbione> including destroying my user settings for the 3rd time in a raw
[10:07] <fabbione> row even
[10:08] <fabbione> Keybuk: do you happen to know how to completely kill automount of removable devices?
[10:08] <fabbione> just at system level
[10:08] <fabbione> not kde
[10:08] <Treenaks> fabbione: killall hald ?
[10:08] <fabbione> given the latter does whatever it wants, the hard approach seems to be the only solution
[10:08] <fabbione> Treenaks: i want it permant
[10:08] <fabbione> permanent
[10:09] <Treenaks> fabbione: dpkg --force-depends --purge hald
[10:09] <Keybuk> sure, remove /etc/hotplug.d/default/20-hal.hotplug
[10:09] <fabbione> ok thanks
[10:09] <Treenaks> but Keybuk's way looks less prone to breaking :)
[10:09] <Keybuk> it'll pretty much neuter hal, but then hal doesn't do much else in breezy anyway
[10:11] <fabbione> that didn't work
[10:11] <fabbione> i guess i need to restart something...
[10:11] <Keybuk> hmm, shouldn't do ... that's the way it gets told about new things
[10:12] <Keybuk> unless it'd being evil and actually polling the filesystem, which it bloody well shouldn't be <g>
[10:12] <fabbione> it probably does
[10:13] <Keybuk> I don't know how the kde stack works
[10:17] <Lathiat> the kde stuff doesnt use hal iirc
[10:17] <fabbione> no it doesn't
[10:17] <Lathiat> i knwo theres work to do it but i dont think we're using it
[10:18] <fabbione> and for some reasons in the last update there is no frigging way to disable kio_media
[10:18] <Lathiat> eh, its usefull anyway
[10:18] <Lathiat> stick in an audio cd :)
[10:18] <fabbione> that makes my mythtv box unuseable
[10:18] <fabbione> Lathiat: no, it's not useful
[10:18] <Lathiat> fabbione: why are you running kde under myth?
[10:18] <fabbione> i need it disabled
[10:18] <Lathiat> remove the .so? ;)
[10:19] <Lathiat> oh the myth qt stuff is using kio media and popping up stuff?
[10:19] <fabbione> no i want a clean way to do it
[10:19] <fabbione> Lathiat: no
[10:19] <fabbione> mythtv preferes kde due to some focusing gnome issues
[10:19] <fabbione> so i am using kde
[10:19] <fabbione> and that's ok as underground layer
[10:19] <fabbione> i don't want kde to crap my desktop when i insert a DVD
[10:19] <Lathiat> just had myth started under a blank x session
[10:20] <Lathiat> fabbione: how did you disabled it before?
[10:20] <fabbione> just disabling the media manager from kde services
[10:20] <fabbione> except that now keeps restarting automatically
[10:21] <fabbione> even if i tell the system not to use it and to stop it
[10:22] <Lathiat> works here, i stopped it an unchecked use and it didnt popup my dvd 
[10:22] <Lathiat> hrm actually i lie it opened in the background somewhere
[11:01] <sivang> Good morning all
[11:11] <[Chameleon] > sivang: g'morning
[11:12] <sivang> [Chameleon] : hey there
[11:12] <[Chameleon] > :)
[11:13] <[Chameleon] > sivang: was I talking to you a while back before Breezy was released about a xine bug related to stretching?
[11:13] <sivang> [Chameleon] : not that I recall :)
[11:14] <[Chameleon] > sivang: k, must have been somebody else.
[11:34] <Treenaks> hi sabdfl 
[11:34] <sabdfl> howdy Treenaks
[11:34] <Treenaks> sabdfl: I've been playing with my new camcorder: http://foodfight.org/movies/2005-10%20Ubuntu%20Fanpeople/
[11:34] <ajmitch> morning sabdfl 
[11:36] <[Chameleon] > hi sabdfl
[11:36] <Treenaks> (I've heard reports of the .ogg's crashing the totem-plugin in firefox, so downloading them first might be a good idea)
[11:38] <sabdfl> Treenaks: cool, what are you using for encoding?
[11:39] <Treenaks> sabdfl: I capture/edit/export them using kino
[11:39] <Treenaks> sabdfl: (which uses ffmpeg2theora)
[11:40] <[Chameleon] > Treenaks, sabdfl: seen http://www.jahshaka.org/ ?
[11:41] <Treenaks> [Chameleon] : looks heavy, but cool
[11:43] <[Chameleon] > I've been waiting for a reason to try it
[11:43] <[Chameleon] > because it does look very cool
[11:44] <[Chameleon] > and now that I have a better video card (got an nVidia GeForce 6600 GT the other day), I'm even more interested.
[11:44] <[Chameleon] > Previously I was using a Radeon 9000 Pro, which is a decent card.
[11:49] <sabdfl> [Chameleon] : is there a package for it in ubuntu?
[11:49] <[Chameleon] > sabdfl: not that I'm aware of
[11:50] <sabdfl> well, if you're feeling inspired, put one together!
[11:50] <[Chameleon] > sabdfl: there's a .deb
[11:51] <[Chameleon] > sabdfl: I'll try the generic .deb and go from there. I don't yet know how to package... This is a good time to learn.
[11:52] <Treenaks> [Chameleon] : join us on #ubuntu-motu
[11:54] <sabdfl> [Chameleon] : yes. should be straightforward
[11:57] <HiddenWolf> sabdfl, don't listen to treenaks, he wasn't playing. we where forced to say we where ubuntu-users at gunpiont. :P
[11:57] <HiddenWolf> sabdfl, be grateful he has to go through airport security before montreal. ;)
[11:57] <[Chameleon] > LOL
[11:58] <sabdfl> HiddenWolf: count on it. the .ogg's don't work in ff for me, only standalone
[11:58] <ajmitch> heh
[11:58] <HiddenWolf> yup, totem plugin is bugged.
[11:59] <[Chameleon] > sabdfl: what do you think of a future meeting to be held in Seattle? Too close to Microsoft turf?
[11:59] <sabdfl> ajmitch: need a biiiiig battery
[12:00] <HiddenWolf> btw, sabdfl, the mandriva guy copied your faq. :) Bite back. ;)
[12:00] <Lathiat> pedal power!
[12:00] <ajmitch> yeah :)
[12:00] <sabdfl> ajmitch: this week i fly to montreal on wednesday, to pretoria on thursday, and back to montreal on friday
[12:00] <ajmitch> I heard that vancouver airport has wifi though
[12:00] <ajmitch> ouch
[12:00] <sabdfl> HiddenWolf: imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
[12:00] <HiddenWolf> [Chameleon] , US > Free Software > being accused of being commies. :)
[12:00] <ajmitch> you must clock up a lot of hours in the air
[12:00] <sabdfl> ajmitch: big battery
[12:01] <ajmitch> :)
[12:01] <[Chameleon] > HiddenWolf: if free software == commie, gimme one of those furry hats and point me to the bread line!
[12:01] <Lathiat> sabdfl: what laptop do you have?
[12:01] <sabdfl> Lathiat: X40
[12:01] <Lathiat> sabdfl: ah, like half the rest of canonical :)
[12:01] <Lathiat> sabdfl: got the big battery + one of those battery mat thigns?
[12:01] <sabdfl> no. got a generator on the plane
[12:02] <sabdfl> the mats are amazing
[12:02] <Lathiat> i want to get a side battery for mine
[12:02] <Lathiat> to replace the cdrom
[12:02] <Lathiat> sabdfl: yeh theyre pretty cool
[12:02] <sivang> sabdfl: that's cool :)
[12:02] <Lathiat> sabdfl: oh yeh
[12:02] <Kinnison> sabdfl: mmm smells of ammonia
[12:02] <Lathiat> i saw one thats not alot bigger than the current batteries
[12:02] <Lathiat> and does like 20horus+
[12:02] <sivang> Kinnison: where are you now?
[12:03] <Kinnison> sivang: Wales for my grandmother's 90th birthday
[12:03] <Lathiat> i coudl just leave home without my charger
[12:03] <sivang> Kinnison: nice :)
[12:03] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I'd like that
[12:03] <sabdfl> hey Kinnison, how are the celebrations going?
[12:03] <Lathiat> the battery in my m20 isnt so big
[12:03] <Lathiat> only does 3H or so
[12:03] <Lathiat> my 8600 does like 5hours on a stretch tho
[12:03] <ajmitch> I think I'll be forced to read a book to keep myself occupied
[12:03] <Kinnison> sabdfl: due to start soon, hence if I'm meant to be reviewing something for kiko, I'd like to get it done soon
[12:03] <HiddenWolf> [Chameleon] , :)
[12:03] <sabdfl> Kinnison: has he landed it?
[12:04] <Kinnison> sabdfl: I thought I was meant to review it first :-)
[12:04] <Kinnison> sabdfl: maybe he'll be sending it to me when he gets in today
[12:04] <Lathiat> whats with all this landing its a launchpad not a landingpad :)
[12:04] <sabdfl> Kinnison: so, i had a minor heart attack last night, when i learned that there were no plans for a proper multiarch test of gina before rollout
[12:04] <sabdfl> mdz was having conniptions
[12:05] <sabdfl> so
[12:05] <Kinnison> sabdfl: You're kidding? I told them over and over that we had to do multiarch
[12:05] <sabdfl> Kinnison: "them" had no idea
[12:05] <[Chameleon] > fuel cell battery for laptops available today:
[12:05] <[Chameleon] > http://www.valence.com/ncharge.asp
[12:05] <Kinnison> sabdfl: kiko and stub I told
[12:05] <Lathiat> [Chameleon] : ooh *looks*
[12:05] <Lathiat> [Chameleon] : will it cost 2 arms and a leg?
[12:06] <sabdfl> current plan is that elmo is giving staging the necessary go go juice to do an entire archive, w/h/b, all three official architectures
[12:06] <Kinnison> sabdfl: My dad is going to be doing a hoary->breezy upgrade today
[12:06] <sabdfl> Kinnison: FTFUAW?
[12:06] <Kinnison> sabdfl: cool
[12:06] <Kinnison> sabdfl: pardon?
[12:06] <[Chameleon] > Lathiat: 10 hours costs $300
[12:06] <sabdfl> sorry. the STFUAW protocol?
[12:06] <Kinnison> yes
[12:06] <[Chameleon] > Lathiat: 5 hours is $200
[12:06] <sabdfl> sunday, stub will do the whole kaboodle on staging
[12:06] <Lathiat> [Chameleon] : see you can get battery matts that do similar
[12:07] <Kinnison> sabdfl: I think the f*ck the f*ck up and watch protocol is what we do when we land code without review
[12:07] <Lathiat> [Chameleon] : err, thats just a li-ion battery?
[12:07] <sabdfl> monday, we will do some test uploads of dapper-grade bits
[12:07] <sabdfl> har har
[12:07] <Kinnison> sabdfl: cool, I'm very happy to go ahead with that on Monday
[12:07] <[Chameleon] > Lathiat: I haven't heard of the mats... URL?
[12:07] <Lathiat> [Chameleon] : there basically what you just pasted
[12:07] <Kinnison> ciao dudes
[12:07] <Lathiat> just a bit fla tbattery to sit yoru laptop on
[12:07] <sabdfl> if its all good, we DOIT tuesday
[12:08] <sivang> sabdfl: what is gina?
[12:08] <sabdfl> if not... katie comes into service and we need to switch to soyuz later in the cycle
[12:08] <sabdfl> sivang: gina is a transitioning tool to get old archive data into the new archive mgmt system
[12:09] <[Chameleon] > Lathiat: ahh... yeah, these batteries are safer and more environmentally friendly.
[12:10] <Lathiat> [Chameleon] : yeh yeh every product is safer and more environmentally friendly than the last one ;p
[12:11] <[Chameleon] > well... Litium-Ion batteries use cobalt-oxide, which is rare and kind of explosive. The valence onces use a phosphate material that is readily available, cheap and totally safe.
[12:12] <[Chameleon] > if a lithium-ion battery overheats, a runaway situation occurs where the burning cobalt-oxide actually produces more oxygen as it burns and fuels the fire.
[12:12] <[Chameleon] > that's why hybrids are still using lead-acid batteries, because they are safer.
[12:12] <[Chameleon] > though far less efficient
[12:31] <Treenaks> sabdfl: the oggs-not-working is a problem with the totem firefox plugin, I think
[12:32] <Treenaks> sabdfl: it doesn't work for mpg here either (and those also do work standalone)
[12:33] <\sh> good morning world
[12:33] <Treenaks> hey sh
[12:33] <Riddell> fabbione: having fun?
[12:33] <Kamion> it is depressing that when I typo a bug number, it's *still* assigned to me anyway
[12:33] <ajmitch> morning \sh 
[12:34] <slomo> hi \sh :)
[12:34] <sabdfl> hey \sh
[12:35] <sivang> yo \sh , sup?
[12:35] <\sh> ok...wanna have some good news?
[12:35] <ajmitch> yes please :)
[12:35] <sivang> \sh: yeah
[12:35] <Lathiat> NO NEVER NO NO NO
[12:35] <sivang> Lathiat: lol
[12:35] <Lathiat> save me the pain and suffering!
[12:35] <\sh> 1. my jabber server sourcecode.de is first place of all .de public jabber servers
[12:35] <sabdfl> Kamion: heisenbug tunnelling effect?
[12:35] <\sh> (stability wise)
[12:35] <sivang> \sh: nice
[12:36] <\sh> 2. it's running on Ubuntu 5.04
[12:36] <sivang> pitti: Morning!
[12:36] <Lathiat> \sh: :)
[12:36] <ajmitch> morning pitti 
[12:36] <\sh> was a suprise for me this morning :)
[12:36] <ajmitch> \sh: impressive :)
[12:36] <sivang> \sh: haha
[12:36] <ajmitch> pitti: I have phpmyadmin fix for the security-review list
[12:36] <fabbione> Riddell: no :)
[12:37] <\sh> now I need to find the time to go to hosteurope DC and upgrade from hoary to breezy server install ;)
[12:37] <ajmitch> \sh: you don't want to do a remote uograde?
[12:37] <Lathiat> haha
[12:38] <fabbione> Riddell: i am on the way out shopping now, do you have any idea on how to workaround that problem?
[12:38] <sivang> lol
[12:38] <Lathiat> of course ! a remote upgrade ! everyone should do those!
[12:38] <ajmitch> Lathiat: why not?
[12:38] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I did a remote upgrade to breezy when it opened :)
[12:38] <Lathiat> ajmitch: youve never done much sysadminning have you? :)
[12:38] <Lathiat> ha
[12:38] <ajmitch> Lathiat: live on the edge
[12:38] <\sh> ajmitch: no...i have some "experimental debian packages" running ;) cyrus-imapd didn't work on hoary for my setup (libdb stuff) and I needed the one from debian
[12:38] <Lathiat> including at 10PM on christmas eve
[12:38] <ajmitch> haha
[12:39] <Lathiat> well, it was more liek 8
[12:39] <pitti> Hi sivang 
[12:39] <Lathiat> i had to catch a bus a train and a bus
[12:39] <Lathiat> fi xit
[12:39] <Lathiat> and catch them back
[12:39] <ajmitch> \sh: well we can fix those in dapper so you can do your remote upgrade then :)
[12:39] <Lathiat> got back by 1230am or so
[12:39] <\sh> Lathiat: what? I installed hoary remotely :) 
[12:39] <Lathiat> \sh: installing is fine
[12:39] <Lathiat> if it buggers up you rnot sacrificing anything
[12:39] <Lathiat> but upgrading a remote system thats live
[12:39] <Lathiat>  = suck
[12:39] <\sh> Lathiat: well...after reboot I had to go to the DC right ;)
[12:39] <Lathiat> haha
[12:40] <\sh> Lathiat: but u r right...I don't want to do a remote upgrade
[12:40] <ajmitch> pitti: I didn't find a CAN for the phpmyadmin problem
[12:42] <Kamion> sabdfl: I hope not. I have enough of them without not being able to know how many there are and how fast they're going at the same time
[12:42] <sabdfl> send some of them to Copenhagen?
[12:42] <pitti> ajmitch: I don't have one either
[12:43] <ajmitch> pitti: it's sent anyway :)
[12:43] <pitti> ajmitch: if you want one, just ask cve@mitre.org :-)
[12:45] <Riddell> fabbione: what's the problem?
[12:45] <fabbione> Riddell: the kio_media service can't be stopped. I was able to stop automounting/autoplaying on CD/DVD inster,
[12:45] <fabbione> insert even
[12:46] <fabbione> Riddell: now even if say to the Session Manager (or whatever is called) to not use the kio_media service and i stop it
[12:46] <fabbione> as soon as i insert a DVD it starts the service again, it automounts and autoplay
[12:46] <Riddell> fabbione: killall ivman
[12:47] <Riddell> remove it from startkde
[12:47] <fabbione> this is a regression for 2 reasons: one it was set not to start and the new pkgs override this behaviour. two it breaks my setup :)
[12:47] <Riddell> fabbione: where was it set not to start?
[12:47] <fabbione> Riddell: but how/why has been added back?
[12:47] <fabbione> Riddell: from one of the control setting entris
[12:47] <fabbione> entries
[12:48] <Riddell> there's no control centre setting for ivman
[12:48] <fabbione> there is one for kio_media
[12:48] <Riddell> that's separate
[12:48] <jayakumar2> out of curiosity, are any of you coming to foss.in/2005?
[12:48] <Riddell> jayakumar2: possibly
[12:48] <fabbione> Riddell: well i possibly don't remember how i did stop that in the first place. it's still a regression that it doesn't respect my settings :)
[12:48] <pitti> sivang: yay, I just got answer from the cups guys
[12:48] <fabbione> Riddell: but i will try that
[12:48] <jayakumar2> Riddell, as a spkr?
[12:49] <pitti> sivang: cups 1.2 handles dynamic printer additions
[12:49] <fabbione> Riddell: thanks dude.. have a nice weekend
[12:49] <pitti> sivang: so we don't need to bother with restarting on new printers
[12:49] <Riddell> jayakumar2: hopefully, I understand that they will be sending me an invitation
[12:49] <sivang> pitti: yay cool!
[12:50] <Riddell> fabbione: kio_media just shows the devices in media:/ in KDE 3.4,  ivman does the automounting but isn't very integrated with KDE, KDE 3.5 does that better
[12:50] <sivang> pitti: does it involve any work on our side?
[12:50] <fabbione> Riddell: ok.. i will check that. gotta run now
[12:50] <pitti> sivang: well, we have to package the new version :-)
[12:50] <fabbione> Riddell: thanks again
[12:53] <jayakumar2> Riddell, cool. i'm told invites will be sent around oct 25th
[12:54] <jayakumar2> also ooc, will there be an attempt to distribute lots of CDs? last years attendance was apparently 3k
[12:55] <Riddell> jayakumar2: if I do get asked to be a speaker I'll make sure to bring lots of kubuntu CDs :)
[12:55] <jayakumar2> lots as in like 3k?
[12:56] <Riddell> that might go over my luggage allowance..
[12:56] <Riddell> jayakumar2: are you involved with it somehow?
[12:57] <Nafallo> jbailey: you changed key for a reason?
[12:58] <sivang> pitti: do you have details about the way they solved it? did they rewrite the event handler to be good ? :)
[12:58] <jayakumar2> Riddell, i'm not an organizer, just a volunteer type. i might be giving a talk on massputers though. kernelplanet.org
[12:58] <pitti> sivang: they don't load the printer list on startup any more
[12:58] <pitti> sivang: but rather load it when someone actually asks for it
[12:59] <Nafallo> jbailey: anyway. I get BADSIG today.
[12:59] <sivang> pitti: ah , very good. that relieves the periodical polling for available printers
[01:12] <mdz> sabdfl: conniptions hah
[01:59] <crispin> pitti: I'm not quite sure what happened with bug 18260, I didn't mean to set it to ASSIGNED, I must have hit the radio button by accident, sorry about that
[02:29] <gabrieltomate> the calc.
[02:29] <gabrieltomate> in mode expert, dont do "raiz"..
[02:29] <Treenaks> ?!?!
[02:29] <gabrieltomate> dont peak english very well
[02:29] <gabrieltomate> speak
[02:30] <gabrieltomate> open calc, chage to expert mode
[02:30] <gabrieltomate> cahnge
[02:31] <Diziet> Are you sure you shouldn't be in #ubuntu, which is where support enquiries should go ?
[02:31] <gabrieltomate> now, say "9"
[02:32] <gabrieltomate> and click in the "3 line, 6 coluna" (C6 in xadrez)
[02:32] <gabrieltomate> look the results: "9Sqrt("
[02:33] <gabrieltomate> dont do the calc
[02:34] <infinity> gabrieltomate : Yes, and?
[02:35] <gabrieltomate> its a bug.. no?
[02:35] <infinity> Nah, just type stuff in in the right order. :)
[02:35] <gabrieltomate> how i report this?
[02:35] <infinity> Sqrt(9) works a bit better.
[03:32] <jsgotangco> hey rob^ :)
[03:48] <mvo> a question for the pyton gurus: I have a python module (written in c) and it looks like there is no local information set in it even though the locale information in the terminal are fine. inside the module, e.g. nl_langinfo(CHARSET) returns ACSII (but my local is UTF-8)
[03:50] <zyga_> did you call setlocale?
[03:50] <mvo> zyga_: no
[03:51] <ogra> mvo, 
[03:51] <ogra> #!/usr/bin/python
[03:51] <ogra> # -*- coding: UTF-8 -*-
[03:51] <ogra> thats what i use
[03:51] <zyga_> mvo: call setlocale(LC_ALL, "")
[03:51] <mvo> ogra: thanks, my problem happens inside the C extension
[03:51] <zyga_> mvo: that will set the locale according to the environment
[03:51] <jamesh> mvo: the unicode->string conversion always defaults to ASCII, if that's what you're wondering
[03:51] <ogra> mvo, oh, k
[03:51] <pitti> ogra: isn't that the encoding of the *source* file, not the locale?
[03:52] <jamesh> mvo: locale.setlocale() calls the C setlocale() function
[03:52] <jamesh> without it, things default to the legacy "C" locale
[03:52] <ogra> pitti, it encodes the strings i use just fine normally...
[03:52] <ogra> indeed its the encoding of the source...
[03:52] <mvo> thanks jamesh and zyga_, I think that where the missing pieces
[03:55] <mvo> yes, that looks pretty good now :) is there a convenient way to convert between utf8 and pythons ucs-2 (other than iconv)?
[03:59] <fabbione> Riddell: that works :) thanks
[04:00] <Robot101> mvo: python string objects have an encode() method
[04:02] <mvo> Robot101: in the C-API as well?
[04:02] <Robot101> well if you have a python string object, you can just make a python method call on it
[04:03] <mvo> hm, I get the data from a external source (in utf8) and want to make it availabe inside python 
[04:04] <jamesh> mvo: PyUnicode_Encode() is the C API version
[04:04] <mjr> http://evanjones.ca/python-utf8.html
[04:06] <mjr> ah, C interfacing
[04:06] <mvo> thanks jamesh 
[04:06] <mjr> didn't read too much upward
[04:06] <mvo> mjr: yeah, but I think PyUnicode_Encode() will do what I need
[04:06] <mjr> probably
[04:07] <HiddenWolf> mvo, working on rad things again? :)
[04:07] <mvo> in fact PyUnicode_DecodeUTF8() ... yeah!
[04:07] <mvo> HiddenWolf: teching python apt about translated package descriptions
[04:07] <HiddenWolf> python apt?
[04:08] <HiddenWolf> mvo, rewriting apt?
[04:08] <mvo> HiddenWolf: no, "only" python bindings for libapt 
[04:08] <sivang> HiddenWolf: they are very nice, you can really have nice control over apt and packages form python-apt
[04:09] <HiddenWolf> sivang, of course it's nice, mvo is writing it. :)
[04:09] <sivang> HiddenWolf: yes :)
[04:10] <HiddenWolf> :)
[04:11] <HiddenWolf> mvo, tell me now, will dapper have autopackage? 
[04:12] <ogra> ARGH
[04:12] <ogra> he said the bad word !!!
[04:12] <HiddenWolf> ogra, there /is/ a BOF about it...
[04:12] <ogra> yes, anybody has requested it, very sad
[04:12] <HiddenWolf> I'd hate to see it happen, but that wiki page is making me nervous. :P
[04:13] <ogra> so we'll have to waste time *again* 
[04:13] <mvo> haha
[04:13] <sivang> don't kill the messanger :) I just registered most of the BOF suggestions I saw on the wiki :)
[04:14] <HiddenWolf> ogra, well, to a certain piont autopackage has a market,  I wouldn't want to bug motu to package some adult entertainment software.. ;)
[04:14] <HiddenWolf> *wink*
[04:14] <ogra> lol
[04:15] <sivang> might help us when we want to support all those "enterprise" grade software :)
[04:15] <zyga> yay for web based software click n run
[04:15] <sivang> In that sense, it's not completely bull :)
[04:15] <sivang> ogra: has it been discussed already on UDU ?
[04:15] <zyga> you take someone's computer, you click and run 
[04:16] <ogra> sivang, it has been discussed at UDU, in the -devel ML and we have a clear statement that we cant and wont support it if it doesnt undergo heavy architectural changes... read the thread on -devel
[04:16] <ogra> )or read joeyh's blog posts about it :) )
[04:17] <sivang> ogra: ah :)
[04:17] <sivang> ogra: well, I don't suppose all of the suggested ideas will be discussed, someone will probably do a perliminary screening for the ideas that will be discussed :)
[04:17] <ogra> hopefully
[04:18] <HiddenWolf> and what about killing synaptic? :)
[04:18] <sivang> HiddenWolf: huh??
[04:18] <zyga> HiddenWolf: get real
[04:18] <ogra> HiddenWolf, thats really easy
[04:19] <HiddenWolf> sivang, syga, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareManager
[04:19] <ogra> HiddenWolf, open synaptic, open a terminal... run sudo pkill synaptic ;)
[04:19] <HiddenWolf> ogra, ;)
[04:19] <zyga> lol
[04:19] <zyga> HiddenWolf: you could put that to cron too
[04:19] <mvo> HiddenWolf: see, what ogra said :) 
[04:19] <ogra> not worth the time for a BOF :) or making mvo joblless
[04:19] <sivang> HiddenWolf: why do you want to kill synaptic? it helps me so much with newbies :)
[04:20] <HiddenWolf> sivang, I don't want to, but there is a BOF suggesting it, and it's not totally clueless. :)
[04:20] <zyga> 1 - full blown package manager, for the people that want total control
[04:20] <mvo> HiddenWolf: is that part of the autopackage bof? or a differnent one?
[04:20] <zyga> and synaptic is just that
[04:20] <zyga> 2 - a nice, add/remove/update too
[04:20] <HiddenWolf> mvo, see the link above
[04:20] <zyga> and we don't have that yet
[04:21] <zyga> mvo: what would you add?
[04:22] <mvo> zyga: automatic dependency managment (i.e. removal of automaticially installed dependencies when they are no longer needed) is IMHO the biggest missing thing
[04:22] <zyga> mvo: hmm
[04:22] <zyga> mvo: deborphan and aptitude
[04:22] <mvo> HiddenWolf: oh, the software-manager one. I need to read that
[04:22] <HiddenWolf> deborphan is sweet.
[04:22] <mvo> zyga: yes, but having it in synaptic (in e.g. no-longer-needed or something) would be nice IMHO
[04:23] <zyga> mvo: offtopic, does update-manager (or rather gnome-software-preferences) allow to easily restore default repos and upgrade to new repos without touching the terminal?
[04:23] <mvo> zyga: upgrade to new repos, yes. restore no, but a nice idea
[04:24] <zyga> mvo: how about getting that svn to bzr and putting it back to life? :)
[04:24] <zyga> mvo: do you think that update-manager should be only an upgrade tool or should it also integrate with gnome-app-install
[04:26] <zyga> (from the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareManager)
[04:26] <zyga> imagine another user, Pavel
[04:26] <zyga> Pavel doesn't speak english ;-)
[04:26] <mvo> zyga: I think they should be two different apps
[04:27] <zyga> Ubunt 6.04 has this new feature, warining users about programs with security updates
[04:27] <sivang> infinity: what's that magic you do that when you create a new spec on the wiki, it already gets the SpecTemplates content for "subclassing" ?
[04:27] <zyga> unfortunatly (*g*) Ubuntu 6.04 integrated this functionality late in the release cycle and few translations are provided
[04:27] <sivang> infinity: s/subclassing/instantiating/
[04:27] <Treenaks> zyga: 6.04 will be released next April, 5.04 already had that function
[04:27] <sivang> zyga: 6.04 ?
[04:27] <zyga> Pavel constantly sees popup windows when he is trying to run his applications
[04:27] <mvo> hm, is it too late now for new specs?
[04:28] <zyga> hmm?
[04:28] <sivang> mvo: I hope not
[04:28] <sivang> (still got a couple to straight out)
[04:28] <zyga> I'm talking about the stuff in Outstanding Issues
[04:29] <zyga> Treenaks, sivang: I'm talking about different stuff
[04:29] <sivang> zyga: ah , ko
[04:49] <infinity> sivang : Go to wiki.ubuntu.com/MyNewSpecThatDoesntExist, pick the SpecTemplate from the list of templates on the left.
[04:50] <bddebian> Hello
[05:25] <sivang> infinity: thank you :)
[05:28] <sivang> infinity: btw, given our discussion from yesterday I think I'm gonna rewrite some of the Snapshots spec - e.g., do in incremental bulk backup of /etc, /var and possibly /usr and /top, combine this with package selection delta over seeds to produce a snapshot.
[05:29] <sivang> infinity: seem easier to deliver, what do you think?
[05:52] <Seveas> Znarl, ping?
[06:17] <fabbione> who is Dennis Kaardrmaker?
[06:18] <fabbione> Kaarsemaker even
[06:18] <bddebian> No idea
[06:19] <Kamion> fabbione: Seveas
[06:19] <fabbione> ok
[06:19] <fabbione> Kamion: ah ok thanks
[06:19] <fabbione> Seveas: please keep 1642 open...
[06:19] <fabbione> Seveas: i am proud of that bug :)
[06:20] <Seveas> fabbione, hehe, resolved is not closed ;)
[06:20] <fabbione> Seveas: please leave it open :)
[06:20] <fabbione> it's a nice spot in the middle of the mess of all the others :)
[06:21] <Seveas> hehe :)
[06:21] <fabbione> ok
[06:21] <fabbione> time to take my wife out for dinner
[06:21] <fabbione> cya tomorrow
[06:21] <Seveas> have fun
[06:21] <fabbione> thanks
[06:21] <Seveas> ;)
[06:21] <fabbione> ops
[06:21] <fabbione> wrong tab
[06:21] <Seveas> :)
[06:21] <fabbione> ;)
[06:21] <fabbione> later
[06:21] <Seveas> fg
[06:22] <Seveas> hmm, doesn't work :)
[06:22] <Treenaks> file a bug
[06:22] <fabbione> you are not on the same tty
[06:22] <fabbione> :P
[06:28] <sivang> Seveas: what is that bug about ? :)
[06:29] <Seveas> read it, it's a fabbiones fanboy ;)
[06:29] <Seveas> I was on a close-all-old-bugs spree
[06:29] <Seveas> (which stopped quite soon after i started, had other things to do)
[06:47] <sivang> lol
[07:15] <jbailey> Nafallo_away: Changes which key?
[07:16] <jbailey> Nafallo_away: Oh, the bzr archive?  A bunch of #lp folks were unhappy that the archive wasn't signed.  So I generated a new key with no password so that it can be automatically signed.
[07:16] <jbailey> Nafallo_away: I'm not happy with the solution, but it should be consistant.
[07:19] <wired_> Hi all
[07:20] <bddebian> Hello wired_ 
[07:20] <HiddenWolf> Kamion, who are the ubuntu server admins?
[07:20] <wired_> I am experiencing strange problem in Breezy. When I try to restart my laptop (Satellite A20), it get's to the point where it says "umount: tmpfs busy" and then the system just hangs. I didn't have this problem in Hoary. I would really appreciate some help with this issue. Thanks.
[07:21] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: znarl, elmo i think
[07:21] <Lathiat> wired_: wrong channel, this channel is for development discussion only, try #ubuntu-users, the mailing list (http://lists.ubuntu.com/lists/ubuntu-users/) 
[07:22] <Lathiat> wired_: oops, #ubuntu
[07:22] <wired_> ok, no problem
[07:23] <HiddenWolf> Znarl, elmo, hearing reports of archives being down on #ubuntu
[07:31] <Lathiat> man
[07:31] <Lathiat> i could sit in #ubuntu all day long
[07:31] <Lathiat> i suppose its better than sitting around installing gentoo for the hell of it
[07:32] <bddebian> Heh
[07:32] <Lathiat> (i'd never used gentoo, so decided to install it once just to try it out, like everything :)
[07:32] <Lathiat> i could never run this
[07:32] <Lathiat> takes far too long to install stuff
[07:33] <Lathiat> i could install ubuntu on 100 machines by the time i get X compiled
[07:33] <bddebian> But you'll be l33t ;-P
[07:33] <Lathiat> ahah
[07:33] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:34] <Kamion> HiddenWolf: why is it that joining makes people assume you're actually in front of your computer rather than in bed with a headache while your client autorejoins, anyway? :-P
[07:34] <Lathiat> Kamion: haha
[07:34] <HiddenWolf> Kamion, because most people are behind their pc's when they're online
[07:34] <bddebian> heh
[07:34] <HiddenWolf> jdub, rock on with the blogpost.
[07:34] <jdub> HiddenWolf: my irc client is always connected. i'm not.
[07:35] <Kamion> HiddenWolf: anyone paying much attention to this channel would realise there are an enormous number of people who are just connected the whole time
[07:35] <Kamion> seriously, don't ever assume people are around just because they randomly join :)
[07:36] <jdub> man, i am not the #1 hit for "ubuntu site:au"
[07:36] <HiddenWolf> Kamion, it's saturday night, i've had a few, allow me the slack. ;)
[07:36] <jdub> hrm
[07:37] <jdub> though i guess my blog doesn't count
[07:37] <jdub> fascists
[07:37] <HiddenWolf> does anyone know if you can get into an ubuntu install from the install cd?
[07:37] <HiddenWolf> that avinoam guy is messed up. :(
[07:37] <Keybuk> you can if you know what you're doing ... but it's far easier from the live cd
[07:38] <HiddenWolf> he's tried from knoppix, but didn't seem to have worked.
[07:38] <Kamion> type rescue at the boot prompt
[07:39] <HiddenWolf> hm, if he gets back i'll advice him that.
[07:40] <dooglus> archive.ubuntu.com has 4 addresses: 82.211.81.{151,167,182,193} but .193 and .167 don't have "/ubuntu/dists" directories available via HTTP
[07:40] <HiddenWolf> i've never had to try, ubuntu is rock solid for me.
[07:40] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: creepers, its hard to keep track of whos having what problem haha
[07:40] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, yeah, #ubuntu is hard.
[07:41] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, gotto give Seveas some credit for riding that horse. ;)
[07:41] <Kamion> dooglus: it's a known common problem at the moment, elmo will make those two servers autosync when he's all caught up again after being off sick. in the meantime znarl/elmo are occasionally manually syncing them
[07:42] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: yeh
[07:42] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: i used to stick in there a bit
[07:42] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: but i found 3 hours later i was still there and it was 4am and i had uni :\
[07:42] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, I know the feeling. :)
[07:45] <dooglus> Kamion: I don't think the problem is that they aren't synced - rather they don't have the "ubuntu/dists" directory available at all.
[07:46] <HiddenWolf> dooglus, elmo or Znarl need to know. :)
[07:47] <dooglus> do they have email addresses?  or how would they like to be told?
[07:48] <\sh> dooglus: james at ubuntu.com -> elmo
[07:49] <dooglus> \sh: thanks.  should I email him about this?
[07:50] <\sh> dooglus: when it is an error..sure
[07:53] <Kamion> dooglus: nope, I just checked and /ubuntu/dists/ is available on all four servers
[07:54] <Lathiat> 01:41 <DianWei> /dev/hda2            1692        1757      530145    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[07:54] <Kamion> dooglus: perhaps you're testing by hand and left out Host: archive.ubuntu.com in the HTTP header; archive.ubuntu.com isn't the default vhost on .167 and .193 I think
[07:54] <Lathiat> ^^ is that an extended partition ?
[07:54] <Lathiat> like for the hda5, hda6.. etc?
[07:55] <Kamion> Lathiat: no
[07:55] <Lathiat> Kamion: ok thanks
[07:55] <Kamion> http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/partitions/partition_types-1.html, under 0f
[07:55] <Kamion> Lathiat: oh, oops, misread, it is
[07:56] <Kamion> extended-INT13 equivalent of 05 which is indeed an extended partition
[07:56] <Lathiat> Kamion: oh, ok
[07:57] <Lathiat> heh
[07:57] <Kamion> basically LBA-mapped extended partitions
[07:57] <dooglus> Kamion: oh, i see :)
[07:57] <dooglus> Kamion: thanks.
[08:28] <Lathiat> wow, nice bunch in #ubuntu these days
[08:28] <Lathiat> everytones like thanking me, etc, used to be a little rouger
[08:28] <Lathiat> apart from the guy wanting help to write an OCR program to bypass ne of thsoe online image security things:)
[08:42] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, lol, you're kidding. :)
[08:42] <jdub> "I'm downloading the upgrade for breezy badger for k-ubuntu (kubuntu means "I am stupid" in malay language).
[08:42] <jdub> So, I am sticking to k-ubuntu instead of kubuntu."
[08:42] <HiddenWolf> lol@jdub
[08:42] <bddebian> hehe
[08:43] <Lathiat> lol jdub 
[08:44] <Lathiat> guys
[08:44] <Lathiat> how do i make grub re-generate a new menu.lst?
[08:44] <Lathiat> like, when its been wiped
[08:45] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, grub-update
[08:45] <Lathiat> or update-grub ?
[08:45] <HiddenWolf> one of the 2 it is
[08:45] <HiddenWolf> otherwise, dpkg-reconfigure grub perhaps?
[08:54] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: yep update-grub was right
[08:54] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: asks if you want to createa a new one etc
[08:56] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, the wonders of debian. ;)
[08:56] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: update-grub makes magic config files
[08:57] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: grub-install is the grub part that installs it
[08:57] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: update-grub is good if you change the comment options tooo
[08:57] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, i'm quite aware, I just think grub-install should be install-grub
[08:57] <HiddenWolf> :)
[08:58] <Lathiat> ohh
[08:58] <Lathiat> sorry
[08:58] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: i get you
[08:58] <Lathiat> Sun Oct 23 02:58:26 WST 2005
[08:58] <Lathiat> :)
[08:58] <Lathiat> time to finish off with this last person and hit the sack i think
[08:58] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: told ya ;)
[08:59] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, haha, yeah. :)
[08:59] <HiddenWolf> I'll step in for a bit.
[08:59] <HiddenWolf> *another* guy that fucked up his /home with permission problems
[09:07] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: heh
[09:08] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, I have no clue why anyone would want to chmod his ~.basrc
[09:09] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: my favourite wone
[09:09] <Lathiat> hi	someone stuck umsak 755 at the top of their bashrc
[09:10] <jdong> hmm, OOo 1.1.5, * link with -lhnj_pic and tighten libaltlinuxhyph builddep, why? and what does it take for this to work under Hoary?
[09:10] <jdong> what provides the hnj_pic lib?
[09:10] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, nice. :)
[09:11] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: as you can guess, that will cause lots of fun
[09:11] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: sicne all files are now '022' :)
[09:11] <Lathiat> hi	etook me a while to figure that one out
[09:11] <HiddenWolf> *chuckle*
[09:11] <wasabi> yay car paid off
[09:11] <HiddenWolf> How the hell do you set that right? :)
[09:11] <HiddenWolf> wasabi, is sabdfl paying that well?
[09:12] <wasabi> im not working for him
[09:12] <Lathiat> haha
[09:12] <HiddenWolf> :)
[09:24] <Lathiat> ok i just learnt a lesson the hard way
[09:24] <Lathiat>  /boot cant be a logical partition :\
[09:25] <Lathiat> that or this system had a seriously screwed logical partition or something :)
[09:25] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, tell me that wasn't your own pc. :)
[09:25] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: no
[09:25] <Lathiat> some persons
[09:25] <Lathiat> they used partition magic
[09:25] <Lathiat> to resize and move stuff around
[09:25] <Lathiat> made a bit of a mess i think
[09:25] <Lathiat> ate his /boot
[09:26] <HiddenWolf> omg
[09:26] <Lathiat> and if /boot can be a logical partition, did something weird to it
[09:26] <Lathiat> because grub refuse dto install on it
[09:26] <Lathiat> deleted it
[09:26] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, if you can, try to help wpTony?
[09:26] <Lathiat> made a new primary one
[09:26] <Lathiat> and it worked
[09:26] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: hang a few
[09:27] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, told him to chmod/chown his files to the right permissions, but he's keeping the same errors.
[09:30] <shadeofgrey> Hi everybody.
[09:30] <shadeofgrey> Just dropping in to respectfully rewquest somebody smarter than me please compile debs for the new op4enoffice stable 2.0 release
[09:31] <shadeofgrey> please please please
[09:31] <shadeofgrey> ill grovel if necessary -- i have very little shame.
[09:31] <shadeofgrey> =)
[09:32] <HiddenWolf> shadeofgrey, once dapper opens, it'll be backported to breezy
[09:32] <HiddenWolf> shadeofgrey, we just released, between development at the moment. Probably in a week or so.
[09:33] <shadeofgrey> HiddenWolf:  Ah.  a week.  okay..  i can wait that long..  just please make sure that the powers that be dont forget. the new 2.0 stable fixes a LOT of bugs
[09:33] <shadeofgrey> like, bugfixing that would justify tequila
[09:33] <HiddenWolf> shadeofgrey, you're about the 20th person to ask today, it won't be forgotten. 
[09:34] <HiddenWolf> shadeofgrey, and the powers that be, dude, buffy is so 1995, ;)
[09:34] <shadeofgrey> HiddenWolf:  Make it happen, and I swear to god, I'll Fedex you a bottle of Quervo...
[09:34] <HiddenWolf> shadeofgrey, That desperate? :)
[09:35] <shadeofgrey> I will push my handicapped ass to the post office and mail a full bottle of Quervo.  I swear to god.
[09:36] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: that tonywp dude
[09:36] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: let me explain it this way:
[09:36] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: 03:36 <wpTony> tony:x:1000:1000:Tony <lastname>,,,:/home:/bin/bash
[09:37] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, I thought it'd be something like that.
[09:37] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: :)
[09:37] <Lathiat> i went
[09:37] <wasabi> Hmm. Wonder if there is some intelligent way to merge two passwd files.
[09:37] <Lathiat> 'go ls -ald ~'
[09:37] <Lathiat> then 'ls -lad /home'
[09:37] <Lathiat> and he goes 'ls -lad ~' sayd .... /home
[09:37] <Lathiat> and ls -lad /home says the same
[09:37] <Lathiat> i just went, wah?? :)
[09:38] <HiddenWolf> Sometimes these people just can't read.
[09:38] <Lathiat> how people get themselves into these situations i will never nknow :)
[09:41] <HiddenWolf> How you manage to find a hidden file, figure out the cryptic chmod, and mess it up... 
[09:42] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: hrm?
[09:42] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, he had messed up his .dmrc, right? 
[09:44] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: http://bur.st/~lathiat/wptony.log
[09:45] <HiddenWolf> Oh, My, God.
[09:45] <Lathiat> uhuh
[09:45] <HiddenWolf> so that was what he was trying to communicate. ;)
[09:46] <Lathiat> i just asked if reinstall was an option, otherwise we could be here allnight trying to undo what he did
[09:46] <Lathiat> he said no :\
[09:46] <Lathiat> hrm
[09:46] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: now $HOME doesnt exist
[09:46] <Lathiat> when he opens a terminal
[09:46] <Lathiat> so i guess thats why the .dmrc thing is still a problem
[09:47] <HiddenWolf> ah, and I was just thinking he'd messed with chmod. 
[09:47] <Lathiat> i think hes f**ked it good :\
[09:48] <HiddenWolf> it's one of the most colourful mess-ups i've seen so far.
[09:49] <shadeofgrey> i dont know anything about half of what ive seen you guys say in the past 40 minutes and even *I* wouldnt do that
[09:49] <Lathiat> shadeofgrey: lol
[09:49] <HiddenWolf> shadeofgrey, let's just put it this way, if you don't have an idea what you're doing, do anything but type sudo in front of it.
[09:50] <shadeofgrey> =)  I guess i shouldnt say that i use a root terminal every day
[09:50] <Lathiat> lol
[09:50] <Lathiat> basically
[09:50] <Lathiat> if your not root
[09:50] <shadeofgrey> but its true
[09:50] <Lathiat> you cant do anything to mess the system up
[09:51] <shadeofgrey> hey... take enough purgocet 10's and just about anything starts to sound like a grand idea
[09:51] <Lathiat> you can mess up your homedir, etc, but that can easy be fixed by just blwing it away :)
[09:51] <HiddenWolf> shadeofgrey, do yourself a favor, get rid of the root terminal untill you need it.
[09:51] <shadeofgrey> ive reinstalled ubuntu 32 times since i started using it
[09:51] <shadeofgrey> im a master at blowing shit away
[09:51] <Lathiat> 03:51 <wpTony> drwxrwxrwx 41 tony tony 4096 date-time /home/tony
[09:51] <Lathiat> eheh
[09:51] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, oh, my
[09:52] <wasabi> Oooh PyDev is nice.
[09:52] <Lathiat> pydev?
[09:52] <HiddenWolf> shadeofgrey, stop using root, and you'll be much less likely to have to reinstall.
[09:52] <shadeofgrey> i really wish you smart people would give some more love to the 64bit drivers
[09:52] <Lathiat> shadeofgrey: smart people dont use 64bit drivers? :P
[09:53] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, be nice. :)
[09:53] <infinity> shadeofgrey : Which 64bit drivers?... My amd64 machine Just Works.
[09:53] <shadeofgrey> hidden:  Actually, over half of what i know about ubuntu has xome about because im not afraid to mess with crap.  
[09:53] <shadeofgrey> infinity:  whatevers necessary to view quicktime and realplayer and windows medsia stuff in a browser window
[09:54] <wasabi> Those aren't up to any of us smart people.
[09:54] <HiddenWolf> shadeofgrey, messing is ok, but messing with root can be harmful to the system.
[09:54] <wasabi> Please ask MS and Apple.
[09:54] <infinity> shadeofgrey : That's "Not Our Problem"... Those are win32 binary-only codecs you're using.
[09:54] <HiddenWolf> infinity, those codecs simply are not there for 64 bit
[09:55] <infinity> shadeofgrey : Yes, obviously.  Note the "32" in "win32"
[09:55] <shadeofgrey> well..  if thats true then does that mean Tiger uses 32bit Quicktime shit?  Nooooo... But i suppose thgey wouldnt make that freely available hmm?
[09:55] <wasabi> Exactly.
[09:55] <infinity> (Yes, some hackery could probably be done to get w32codecs to work with, say, mplayer on amd64, but then powerpc users will complain that it doesn't work for THEM, and that just isn't ever going to work in the slightest)
[09:55] <shadeofgrey> yeah. either way we screw the ardvark on that one.
[09:55] <infinity> shadeofgrey : Tiger and Quicktime are both Apple products.  Draw your own conclusions.
[09:56] <wasabi> infinity, actually, an out of process media player would solve it kinda. ;)
[09:56] <wasabi> Then you could run that player in qemu!
[09:56] <wasabi> Err, codec.
[09:56] <infinity> wasabi : Dude, that's sick.
[09:56] <wasabi> I know. Isn't it.
[09:56] <infinity> (And qould be so painfully slow it wouldn't work anyway)
[09:56] <infinity> s/qould/would/
[09:56] <wasabi> Think so? I can play windows media pretty well on my Mac in a virtual PC
[09:57] <wasabi> I mean, given, it's a 1.5ghz.
[09:57] <wasabi> Still, it's doable.
[09:57] <infinity> VPC is much faster than qemu.
[09:57] <wasabi> Oh yes. Certainly.
[09:57] <shadeofgrey> im a mac user wannabe
[09:57] <sivang> infinity: VPC ? a new emulator?
[09:57] <wasabi> Doesn't mean the idea isn't usable.
[09:57] <sivang> eh, that's microsoft's no?
[09:58] <infinity> sivang : Virtual PC.  x86-on-powerpc emulator.  Was bought out by Microsoft and is now a generic virtual machine, similar to VMWare.
[09:58] <infinity> If I can find my CD, I could tell you what Microsoft renamed it to.
[09:58] <infinity> But I can't be bothered to unzip the binder it's in.
[09:58] <wasabi> Think it's still called Virtual PC
[09:58] <infinity> Okay, let me unzip. :)
[09:58] <shadeofgrey> MSVirtualPC
[09:58] <wasabi> No!!! Don't Unzip!
[09:59] <wasabi> Put it away.
[09:59] <Lathiat> 03:59 <wpTony> are you a religious man/woman?
[09:59] <Lathiat> 03:59 <Lathiat> no
[09:59] <Lathiat> 03:59 <wpTony> good....
[09:59] <Lathiat> 03:59 <wpTony> YOU ARE GOD!!
[09:59] <infinity> Virtual Server is what I'm thinking of.
[09:59] <Lathiat> i think that tops todays appreciation list
[09:59] <sivang> Lathiat: huh?
[09:59] <Lathiat> (i fixed his problems)
[10:00] <infinity> But I guess that's a multiple VM deal, meant to compete with VMware GSX... At a guess.
[10:45] <sivang> Kamion: is there way to know on an isntalled system, which of the seeds and/or combination of them was used for installation?
[10:49] <Mithrandir> sivang: apt-cache rdepends | grep ubuntu-, possibly.
[11:20] <darius_> Anyone familiar with the Atheros 5212 (wifi) problem on HP nc6000 laptop?
[11:27] <infinity> Which problem is that?
[11:35] <\sh> darius_: problems with dhcp and wpa-psk (via wpa_supplicant) ?
[11:36] <\sh> Seveas: yes...but reading a book
[11:36] <Seveas> \sh, just a quick question
[11:36] <sivang> Mithrandir: that doesn't give much, doesn't it require a package name?
[11:36] <Seveas> I'm setting up ubuntu hostname cloaks on freenode, do you want one?
[11:37] <Seveas> sivang, same question for you
[11:37] <sivang> Seveas: yes, please :)
[11:37] <sivang> Seveas: will it work if I connect from different hostnames?
[11:37] <Seveas> it's linked to your nickname
[11:38] <sivang> Seveas: cool, thanks
[11:38] <Seveas> as long as you register before joining channels (use your nickserv pass as server pass) it should work
[11:38] <sivang> ok
[11:39] <\sh> Seveas: if you explain to me , how it works...and if it's working with two linked nicks and if unregistered people can send me msgs, then I'm ok with it
[11:40] <Seveas> \sh, you tell me you want one and ou get one, works with linked nicks and getting messages from unregisterd users works the same as without a cloak (/msg nickserv set unfiltered on)
[11:42] <\sh> Seveas: possibilty to switch it off for channels I don't want a cloak?
[11:43] <Seveas> No
[11:43] <\sh> Seveas: sry if i bother you with those questions...10 years ago, we didn't have those toys ,)
[11:43] <Seveas> np :)
[11:44] <Seveas> 10 years ago I didn't even have a computer :)
[11:44] <sivang> lol
[11:44] <Seveas> well, maybe 12 years ago (time flies)
[11:44] <\sh> Seveas: u see, and now u set up cloaks ,)
[11:44] <Seveas> hahaha, I hack glibc too, that's much more interesting :)
[11:44] <\sh> Seveas: but u can switch the cloaks off/on as the user likes?
[11:45] <\sh> Seveas: do it then...
[11:45] <Seveas> not yet, it's currently a permanent setting. When freenode finally has their new implementation of services (around the 12th of never) that might be dynamic
[11:46] <Seveas> and switching it off per user now is manual work for both me and freenode administration, so it's not something that's quickly done :)
[11:46] <sivang> Seveas: wow, hacking glibc sounds complicated :)
[11:46] <Seveas> sivang, the word is boring
[11:46] <\sh> Seveas: do it then...
[11:47] <Seveas> a test-build takes 25 minutes on the fastest machine I have
[11:47] <Seveas> \sh, k
[11:47] <sivang> Seveas: man, why do you do it then?
[11:47] <Seveas> work :)
[11:48] <Seveas> I'm actually trying to pull everything my colleagues put in glibc out of it and use LD_PRELOAD 
[11:48] <\sh> .oO(and i will have a look over the source of the irc implementation of freenodes ircd)
[11:48] <sivang> Seveas: you work for someone paying to hack glibc? actually sounds pretty cool
[11:48] <Seveas> sivang, university research :)
[11:48] <\sh> sivang: redhat pays for hacking gnu c stuff and glibc ,)
[11:48] <sivang> Seveas: better! no boss, tight schedules ,etc :)
[11:49] <Seveas> (read: think up something funky, implement it in the weirdest way and pay someone else (me) to solve your probs)
[11:49] <sivang> \sh: right, actualy I think they also pay for hacking on GNOME no?
[11:49] <Seveas> hehe, you'd think...
[11:49] <Seveas> sivang, yes, they are sponsoring gnome
[11:49] <\sh> sivang: for sure..:) 
[11:50] <sivang> I really think we should be greatful to them, they have given us alot of what we have today
[11:50] <\sh> sivang: and they have a CEO which sits at the same lunch table as steve ballmer...
[11:50] <sivang> \sh: oohhh??
[11:50] <\sh> sivang: sometimes ,)
[11:51] <sivang> lol
[11:51] <sivang> anyway, back to spec's work :)
[11:51] <Seveas> (y)
[11:52] <\sh> Seveas: do u know what is the user mode +6 now on freenode?
[11:52] <Seveas> that's for the unfiltered thing
[11:53] <Seveas> but you can't manipulate it with /umode -6
[11:53] <\sh> ah..ok...so set unfiltered on sets mode \sh +6
[11:53] <Seveas> yeah
[11:54] <\sh> Seveas: and for cloaks to work now, after u set them up, we have to reconnect or is it changing while the user is connected?
[11:55] <\sh> bah..I should read the FMs of freenode...
[11:55] <Seveas> you need to reconnect
[11:55] <Seveas> I don't mind being an interactive FM :)
[11:55] <\sh> instead of reading lotr
[11:55] <\sh> for the 10th time
[11:57] <\sh> Seveas: u should :) and Kings "The Stand" (the new revision)
[11:57] <Seveas> I like programming more than reading
[11:58] <\sh> Seveas: ok...matrix the comic is also ok ;)
[11:58] <Seveas> I programmed a simple deb repository script last week just to get to know how these things work
[11:58] <Seveas> so much more fun than reading :)
[12:00] <\sh> Seveas: bah...without reading you can't actually feel, why marvin is so depressed sometimes :)
[12:00] <Seveas> marvin the martian?
[12:00] <\sh> Seveas: marvin, the robot
[12:01] <sivang> \sh++
[12:01] <\sh> Seveas: hitch hiker's guide ,-)
[12:01] <Seveas> ah
[12:01] <Seveas> (never read that one either, but planning to)
[12:02] <Seveas> I have it on audio :)
[12:02] <sivang> \sh: I have the "Ultimate Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy" here, with hard cover and includes "Mostly Harmless"