=== mxpxpod [n=BryanFor@wuw-ojr3gmca.dybb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arr0gance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-148-151.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mitario [n=michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dmk [n=dmk@host81-153-148-51.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Loevborg [n=loevborg@d4-84.dip.axsp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dmk [n=dmk@host81-153-148-51.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-141.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60F6B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@user-12lcacq.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _mike [n=mike@zux173-218.adsl.green.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bskahan [n=bskahan@dsl254-074-249.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lord_Maynoth [n=chatzill@h204.38.28.71.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] just wondering if anyone knows what features dapper drake is going to have? [12:53] it it autoconfig my windows partitions? [12:56] Lord_Maynoth, breezy should do that. [12:56] it doesn't by default [12:56] you can download a script [12:56] Lord_Maynoth, dappergoals will be decided next week [12:56] awesome [12:56] Lord_Maynoth, installer should pick it up, but not mount it, no. [12:56] we don't want rm -rf /media/windows happening by mistake. :P [12:57] I bet in a year or two ubuntu will be a viabler replacement to windows (for windows idiots like me) [12:57] your guys are evolving ubuntu at such an awesome rate [12:58] we're hoping to be there faster. :) [12:58] now if autopackage would only hurry up and design a native package and dependency resolution system.... switching to linux might just be possible [12:58] I can't wait [12:58] ^_^ [12:59] Lord_Maynoth, excuse me, but autopackage is scary shit. [12:59] awesome if you ask me [12:59] Lord_Maynoth, I wouldn't install it for the love of god. [12:59] I used gaim 1.50 and abiword on hoary [12:59] with no problems [12:59] and it even provided an unistaller [01:00] Autopackage really has a bad rep [01:00] Lord_Maynoth, you probably know what you're doing, but I don't want to see ubuntu getting a bad reputation because $randomnoob can by default start clicking on random executables and mess up his system. [01:00] so no, I'm not a fan of autopackage. [01:01] .deb is not ideal, but it works _well_ [01:01] yeah... but it or something like it is going to have to happen before linux becomes mainstream [01:01] I have had more probs with debs than ap [01:01] no icons etc [01:01] Lord_Maynoth, that's just a .desktop file that needs to be made. that's a 5minute bugfix. [01:02] Lord_Maynoth, universe should be mostly cleaned out as far as desktop files go nowadays. [01:02] oh [01:02] I found a bug [01:02] freeciv the game does not install from the add/remove programs [01:02] launchpad.net/malone === HiddenWolf *sighs* === Loevborg [n=loevborg@d4-84.dip.axsp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] you guys need to link to the netinstall images for breezy :P === dilinger finds them via google and a random planet.arstechnica blog entry === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.252.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] any server admin on? [01:43] http://help.ubuntu.com/faqguide/C/index.html [01:43] Not Found [01:43] The requested URL /faqguide/C/index.html was not found on this server. [01:43] Apache/2.0.54 (Ubuntu) PHP/4.4.0-3 Server at help.ubuntu.com Port 80' === jcape [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === derek [n=derek@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] hey, i think i found a bug [01:48] file a bug then [01:49] i installed warty->hoary->breezy one right after another, and it was running funny, i did apt-get distupgrade [01:49] it never installed ubuntu-desktop meta [01:49] i have no browser yet :) i will when i have one === jlj [n=agp@207.67.194.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] derek, just apt-get ubuntu-desktop then. === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === till_ [n=till@chv78-1-82-233-240-238.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ [n=gman@amfea-proxy-2.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] hey stubarooney [02:23] stub: yo [02:23] yo === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.252.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@207.67.194.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["."] === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132194128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax8-168.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] night guys === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === otavio [n=otavio@unaffiliated/otavio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel === runeh_ [n=rune@ti112210a080-4936.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-41-252.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kyncani2 [n=kyncani@lns-bzn-35-82-250-220-22.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [i=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h130n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:22] any of you coming to foss.in/2005? === stone [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfvt_ [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:43] breezy's installer *really* wants to create a partition on /dev/md0 === dilinger growls === dfarning [n=dfarning@ppp-70-226-140-33.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@203.215.105.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:49] dilinger: heh === rafl_ [n=rafl@p54B4B966.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GmanAFK is now known as Gman_ [06:18] mdz: meh no.. i meant available by default on all arches [06:18] mdz; fixed.. === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:26] fabbione: grazie [06:26] mdz: prego :) [06:26] ah rocking.. [06:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide <- === fabbione ^5s BenC === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h130n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === euther [n=euther@146.82.111.234] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@p5089D77D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi- [n=nnnnnnnn@h130n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi- is now known as ozamosi === ozamosi- [n=nnnnnnnn@h112n5c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === [Chameleon] [n=Paul@000f660c9c52.click-network.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi- [n=nnnnnnnn@h112n5c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi- is now known as ozamosi === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-076-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-196-15.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60D5D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] morning [09:44] so it is [09:47] Riddell: ping?= [09:47] bella Scott [09:47] fabbione: which day do you get to Canada? Wednesday? [09:47] Keybuk: yes [09:48] I arrive Thursday evening [09:48] Keybuk: cool.. [09:48] i will be playing the turist till sunday [09:48] me also [09:48] at least that's what i am hoping for ;) [09:49] now.. why the last KDE updates did kill all my local changes? [09:49] Riddell: you better show up dude... [09:49] ;) [09:50] Keybuk: i am getting this little mythtv box up and running, very slowly :) [09:50] I'm hanging around waiting for a delivery van to arrive === jabra [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] Keybuk: what are you waiting for? [09:50] which is possibly one of the most prolonged, irritating and ultimately disappointing things you can spend a weekend doing [09:50] other than being in bed with my ex, of course [09:50] ehheh [09:50] fabbione: like the rest of the world, my 770 [09:51] 770 ?? [09:51] www.nokia.com/770 [09:51] oh [09:51] i am not into mobile phones and stuff like that [09:51] fabbione: it's not a phone [09:52] fabbione: if it were, it'd be usefull [09:52] it's not a phone, it's a hand-held web browser, basically [09:52] ah [09:52] has wi-fi and bluetooth to get to the world [09:52] fabbione: it's a touchscreen with a browser, mostly open source [09:52] ok gotcha [09:52] fabbione: unfortunatly the battery lasts for 2 hours ;] [09:52] so it's really useful *g* [09:52] Keybuk: i am waiting for my powerbook :) [09:52] too bad it won't make it for UBZ :( [09:53] Keybuk: how much does the nokia cost now? [09:53] dunno, I got one of the developer ones [09:53] ah [09:53] neet :) === zyga never gets stuff like that [09:57] or, at least, am waiting for it to arrive [10:06] bah [10:07] the last kde uploads are full of regressions [10:07] including destroying my user settings for the 3rd time in a raw [10:07] row even [10:08] Keybuk: do you happen to know how to completely kill automount of removable devices? [10:08] just at system level [10:08] not kde [10:08] fabbione: killall hald ? [10:08] given the latter does whatever it wants, the hard approach seems to be the only solution [10:08] Treenaks: i want it permant [10:08] permanent [10:09] fabbione: dpkg --force-depends --purge hald [10:09] sure, remove /etc/hotplug.d/default/20-hal.hotplug [10:09] ok thanks [10:09] but Keybuk's way looks less prone to breaking :) [10:09] it'll pretty much neuter hal, but then hal doesn't do much else in breezy anyway [10:11] that didn't work [10:11] i guess i need to restart something... [10:11] hmm, shouldn't do ... that's the way it gets told about new things [10:12] unless it'd being evil and actually polling the filesystem, which it bloody well shouldn't be [10:12] it probably does [10:13] I don't know how the kde stack works === r0bby [n=wakawaka@cpe-204-210-133-115.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] the kde stuff doesnt use hal iirc [10:17] no it doesn't [10:17] i knwo theres work to do it but i dont think we're using it [10:18] and for some reasons in the last update there is no frigging way to disable kio_media [10:18] eh, its usefull anyway [10:18] stick in an audio cd :) [10:18] that makes my mythtv box unuseable [10:18] Lathiat: no, it's not useful [10:18] fabbione: why are you running kde under myth? [10:18] i need it disabled [10:18] remove the .so? ;) [10:19] oh the myth qt stuff is using kio media and popping up stuff? [10:19] no i want a clean way to do it [10:19] Lathiat: no [10:19] mythtv preferes kde due to some focusing gnome issues [10:19] so i am using kde [10:19] and that's ok as underground layer === Lathiat wasnt using a desktop at all when he was using myth [10:19] i don't want kde to crap my desktop when i insert a DVD [10:19] just had myth started under a blank x session [10:20] fabbione: how did you disabled it before? [10:20] just disabling the media manager from kde services [10:20] except that now keeps restarting automatically [10:21] even if i tell the system not to use it and to stop it [10:22] works here, i stopped it an unchecked use and it didnt popup my dvd === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-106-059.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] hrm actually i lie it opened in the background somewhere === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.119.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [n=debianar@wolax8-076.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] Good morning all === _julien` is now known as julien` [11:11] <[Chameleon] > sivang: g'morning [11:12] [Chameleon] : hey there [11:12] <[Chameleon] > :) [11:13] <[Chameleon] > sivang: was I talking to you a while back before Breezy was released about a xine bug related to stretching? === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] [Chameleon] : not that I recall :) [11:14] <[Chameleon] > sivang: k, must have been somebody else. === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] hi sabdfl [11:34] howdy Treenaks [11:34] sabdfl: I've been playing with my new camcorder: http://foodfight.org/movies/2005-10%20Ubuntu%20Fanpeople/ [11:34] morning sabdfl [11:36] <[Chameleon] > hi sabdfl [11:36] (I've heard reports of the .ogg's crashing the totem-plugin in firefox, so downloading them first might be a good idea) === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] Treenaks: cool, what are you using for encoding? === sivang [n=sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] sabdfl: I capture/edit/export them using kino [11:39] sabdfl: (which uses ffmpeg2theora) [11:40] <[Chameleon] > Treenaks, sabdfl: seen http://www.jahshaka.org/ ? [11:41] [Chameleon] : looks heavy, but cool [11:43] <[Chameleon] > I've been waiting for a reason to try it [11:43] <[Chameleon] > because it does look very cool [11:44] <[Chameleon] > and now that I have a better video card (got an nVidia GeForce 6600 GT the other day), I'm even more interested. [11:44] <[Chameleon] > Previously I was using a Radeon 9000 Pro, which is a decent card. === runeh [n=rune@ti112210a080-1387.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] [Chameleon] : is there a package for it in ubuntu? [11:49] <[Chameleon] > sabdfl: not that I'm aware of [11:50] well, if you're feeling inspired, put one together! [11:50] <[Chameleon] > sabdfl: there's a .deb [11:51] <[Chameleon] > sabdfl: I'll try the generic .deb and go from there. I don't yet know how to package... This is a good time to learn. [11:52] [Chameleon] : join us on #ubuntu-motu === sivang_ [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] [Chameleon] : yes. should be straightforward [11:57] sabdfl, don't listen to treenaks, he wasn't playing. we where forced to say we where ubuntu-users at gunpiont. :P [11:57] sabdfl, be grateful he has to go through airport security before montreal. ;) [11:57] <[Chameleon] > LOL [11:58] HiddenWolf: count on it. the .ogg's don't work in ff for me, only standalone [11:58] heh [11:58] yup, totem plugin is bugged. === ajmitch is looking forward to being there, but not looking forward to the flights [11:59] <[Chameleon] > sabdfl: what do you think of a future meeting to be held in Seattle? Too close to Microsoft turf? [11:59] ajmitch: need a biiiiig battery [12:00] btw, sabdfl, the mandriva guy copied your faq. :) Bite back. ;) [12:00] pedal power! [12:00] yeah :) [12:00] ajmitch: this week i fly to montreal on wednesday, to pretoria on thursday, and back to montreal on friday [12:00] I heard that vancouver airport has wifi though [12:00] ouch [12:00] HiddenWolf: imitation is the sincerest form of flattery [12:00] [Chameleon] , US > Free Software > being accused of being commies. :) [12:00] you must clock up a lot of hours in the air [12:00] ajmitch: big battery [12:01] :) [12:01] <[Chameleon] > HiddenWolf: if free software == commie, gimme one of those furry hats and point me to the bread line! [12:01] sabdfl: what laptop do you have? [12:01] Lathiat: X40 [12:01] sabdfl: ah, like half the rest of canonical :) [12:01] sabdfl: got the big battery + one of those battery mat thigns? [12:01] no. got a generator on the plane === ajmitch just has the stock dell battery for this latitude [12:02] the mats are amazing [12:02] i want to get a side battery for mine [12:02] to replace the cdrom [12:02] sabdfl: yeh theyre pretty cool [12:02] sabdfl: that's cool :) === sabdfl is looking forward to fuel cell batteries [12:02] sabdfl: oh yeh [12:02] sabdfl: mmm smells of ammonia [12:02] i saw one thats not alot bigger than the current batteries [12:02] and does like 20horus+ [12:02] Kinnison: where are you now? [12:03] sivang: Wales for my grandmother's 90th birthday [12:03] i coudl just leave home without my charger [12:03] Kinnison: nice :) [12:03] Lathiat: I'd like that [12:03] hey Kinnison, how are the celebrations going? [12:03] the battery in my m20 isnt so big [12:03] only does 3H or so [12:03] my 8600 does like 5hours on a stretch tho [12:03] I think I'll be forced to read a book to keep myself occupied [12:03] sabdfl: due to start soon, hence if I'm meant to be reviewing something for kiko, I'd like to get it done soon [12:03] [Chameleon] , :) [12:03] Kinnison: has he landed it? [12:04] sabdfl: I thought I was meant to review it first :-) [12:04] sabdfl: maybe he'll be sending it to me when he gets in today [12:04] whats with all this landing its a launchpad not a landingpad :) === Kinnison shrugs. === Kinnison grins [12:04] Kinnison: so, i had a minor heart attack last night, when i learned that there were no plans for a proper multiarch test of gina before rollout [12:04] mdz was having conniptions [12:05] so [12:05] sabdfl: You're kidding? I told them over and over that we had to do multiarch [12:05] Kinnison: "them" had no idea [12:05] <[Chameleon] > fuel cell battery for laptops available today: [12:05] <[Chameleon] > http://www.valence.com/ncharge.asp [12:05] sabdfl: kiko and stub I told === Kinnison sighs [12:05] [Chameleon] : ooh *looks* === Kinnison thinks that so many people dislike gina that it goes in one ear and out of the other [12:05] [Chameleon] : will it cost 2 arms and a leg? [12:06] current plan is that elmo is giving staging the necessary go go juice to do an entire archive, w/h/b, all three official architectures [12:06] sabdfl: My dad is going to be doing a hoary->breezy upgrade today [12:06] Kinnison: FTFUAW? [12:06] sabdfl: cool [12:06] sabdfl: pardon? [12:06] <[Chameleon] > Lathiat: 10 hours costs $300 [12:06] sorry. the STFUAW protocol? [12:06] yes [12:06] <[Chameleon] > Lathiat: 5 hours is $200 [12:06] sunday, stub will do the whole kaboodle on staging [12:06] [Chameleon] : see you can get battery matts that do similar [12:07] sabdfl: I think the f*ck the f*ck up and watch protocol is what we do when we land code without review [12:07] [Chameleon] : err, thats just a li-ion battery? [12:07] monday, we will do some test uploads of dapper-grade bits [12:07] har har === Lathiat tries to make sense of the page [12:07] sabdfl: cool, I'm very happy to go ahead with that on Monday [12:07] <[Chameleon] > Lathiat: I haven't heard of the mats... URL? [12:07] [Chameleon] : there basically what you just pasted === Kinnison goes to watch [12:07] ciao dudes [12:07] just a bit fla tbattery to sit yoru laptop on [12:07] if its all good, we DOIT tuesday === Kinnison nods [12:08] sabdfl: what is gina? === ajmitch cheers [12:08] if not... katie comes into service and we need to switch to soyuz later in the cycle [12:08] sivang: gina is a transitioning tool to get old archive data into the new archive mgmt system [12:09] <[Chameleon] > Lathiat: ahh... yeah, these batteries are safer and more environmentally friendly. [12:10] [Chameleon] : yeh yeh every product is safer and more environmentally friendly than the last one ;p === Lathiat grins [12:11] <[Chameleon] > well... Litium-Ion batteries use cobalt-oxide, which is rare and kind of explosive. The valence onces use a phosphate material that is readily available, cheap and totally safe. [12:12] <[Chameleon] > if a lithium-ion battery overheats, a runaway situation occurs where the burning cobalt-oxide actually produces more oxygen as it burns and fuels the fire. [12:12] <[Chameleon] > that's why hybrids are still using lead-acid batteries, because they are safer. [12:12] <[Chameleon] > though far less efficient === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487CBED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-120.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK === sivang tests a new irssiproxy setup === slomo [n=slomo@p5487CBED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487CBED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang_ [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487CBED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] sabdfl: the oggs-not-working is a problem with the totem firefox plugin, I think [12:32] sabdfl: it doesn't work for mpg here either (and those also do work standalone) [12:33] <\sh> good morning world [12:33] hey sh [12:33] fabbione: having fun? [12:33] it is depressing that when I typo a bug number, it's *still* assigned to me anyway [12:33] morning \sh [12:34] hi \sh :) === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] hey \sh [12:35] yo \sh , sup? [12:35] <\sh> ok...wanna have some good news? [12:35] yes please :) [12:35] \sh: yeah [12:35] NO NEVER NO NO NO [12:35] Lathiat: lol [12:35] save me the pain and suffering! [12:35] <\sh> 1. my jabber server sourcecode.de is first place of all .de public jabber servers [12:35] Kamion: heisenbug tunnelling effect? [12:35] <\sh> (stability wise) [12:35] \sh: nice [12:36] <\sh> 2. it's running on Ubuntu 5.04 === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] pitti: Morning! [12:36] \sh: :) [12:36] morning pitti [12:36] <\sh> was a suprise for me this morning :) [12:36] \sh: impressive :) [12:36] \sh: haha [12:36] pitti: I have phpmyadmin fix for the security-review list [12:36] Riddell: no :) [12:37] <\sh> now I need to find the time to go to hosteurope DC and upgrade from hoary to breezy server install ;) === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] \sh: you don't want to do a remote uograde? [12:37] haha [12:38] Riddell: i am on the way out shopping now, do you have any idea on how to workaround that problem? [12:38] lol [12:38] of course ! a remote upgrade ! everyone should do those! [12:38] Lathiat: why not? [12:38] Lathiat: I did a remote upgrade to breezy when it opened :) [12:38] ajmitch: youve never done much sysadminning have you? :) [12:38] ha [12:38] Lathiat: live on the edge [12:38] <\sh> ajmitch: no...i have some "experimental debian packages" running ;) cyrus-imapd didn't work on hoary for my setup (libdb stuff) and I needed the one from debian === Lathiat learnt the lesson not to remote upgrade a couple times [12:38] including at 10PM on christmas eve [12:38] haha [12:39] well, it was more liek 8 [12:39] Hi sivang [12:39] i had to catch a bus a train and a bus [12:39] fi xit [12:39] and catch them back [12:39] \sh: well we can fix those in dapper so you can do your remote upgrade then :) [12:39] got back by 1230am or so [12:39] <\sh> Lathiat: what? I installed hoary remotely :) [12:39] \sh: installing is fine [12:39] if it buggers up you rnot sacrificing anything [12:39] but upgrading a remote system thats live [12:39] = suck [12:39] <\sh> Lathiat: well...after reboot I had to go to the DC right ;) [12:39] haha [12:40] <\sh> Lathiat: but u r right...I don't want to do a remote upgrade [12:40] pitti: I didn't find a CAN for the phpmyadmin problem [12:42] sabdfl: I hope not. I have enough of them without not being able to know how many there are and how fast they're going at the same time [12:42] send some of them to Copenhagen? [12:42] ajmitch: I don't have one either [12:43] pitti: it's sent anyway :) [12:43] ajmitch: if you want one, just ask cve@mitre.org :-) [12:45] fabbione: what's the problem? [12:45] Riddell: the kio_media service can't be stopped. I was able to stop automounting/autoplaying on CD/DVD inster, [12:45] insert even [12:46] Riddell: now even if say to the Session Manager (or whatever is called) to not use the kio_media service and i stop it [12:46] as soon as i insert a DVD it starts the service again, it automounts and autoplay [12:46] fabbione: killall ivman [12:47] remove it from startkde [12:47] this is a regression for 2 reasons: one it was set not to start and the new pkgs override this behaviour. two it breaks my setup :) [12:47] fabbione: where was it set not to start? [12:47] Riddell: but how/why has been added back? [12:47] Riddell: from one of the control setting entris [12:47] entries [12:48] there's no control centre setting for ivman [12:48] there is one for kio_media [12:48] that's separate [12:48] out of curiosity, are any of you coming to foss.in/2005? [12:48] jayakumar2: possibly [12:48] Riddell: well i possibly don't remember how i did stop that in the first place. it's still a regression that it doesn't respect my settings :) [12:48] sivang: yay, I just got answer from the cups guys [12:48] Riddell: but i will try that [12:48] Riddell, as a spkr? [12:49] sivang: cups 1.2 handles dynamic printer additions [12:49] Riddell: thanks dude.. have a nice weekend [12:49] sivang: so we don't need to bother with restarting on new printers [12:49] jayakumar2: hopefully, I understand that they will be sending me an invitation [12:49] pitti: yay cool! [12:50] fabbione: kio_media just shows the devices in media:/ in KDE 3.4, ivman does the automounting but isn't very integrated with KDE, KDE 3.5 does that better [12:50] pitti: does it involve any work on our side? [12:50] Riddell: ok.. i will check that. gotta run now [12:50] sivang: well, we have to package the new version :-) [12:50] Riddell: thanks again === fabbione & === kikidonk [n=kikidonk@ip-83-134-5-69.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] Riddell, cool. i'm told invites will be sent around oct 25th [12:54] also ooc, will there be an attempt to distribute lots of CDs? last years attendance was apparently 3k [12:55] jayakumar2: if I do get asked to be a speaker I'll make sure to bring lots of kubuntu CDs :) [12:55] lots as in like 3k? [12:56] that might go over my luggage allowance.. [12:56] jayakumar2: are you involved with it somehow? [12:57] jbailey: you changed key for a reason? === ssam [n=ssam@88-104-132-192.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] pitti: do you have details about the way they solved it? did they rewrite the event handler to be good ? :) [12:58] Riddell, i'm not an organizer, just a volunteer type. i might be giving a talk on massputers though. kernelplanet.org [12:58] sivang: they don't load the printer list on startup any more [12:58] sivang: but rather load it when someone actually asks for it [12:59] jbailey: anyway. I get BADSIG today. [12:59] pitti: ah , very good. that relieves the periodical polling for available printers === zeedo [n=zeedo@80.68.92.188] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] sabdfl: conniptions hah === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.119.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === codo [n=codo@59.144.36.105] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kyncani2 [n=kyncani@lns-bzn-40-82-251-178-126.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@130.149.254.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132194128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crispin [n=crispin@cpc1-cmbg8-4-0-cust246.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] pitti: I'm not quite sure what happened with bug 18260, I didn't mean to set it to ASSIGNED, I must have hit the radio button by accident, sorry about that === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h112n5c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d5153F60A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === codo [n=codo@59.144.36.105] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === carstenh [n=carstenh@p54A63133.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.119.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh [n=carstenh@p54A63133.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _native_ [n=zombie@cpe-66-87-4-181.ut.sprintbbd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gabrieltomate [n=gabriel@201009070022.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] the calc. [02:29] in mode expert, dont do "raiz".. [02:29] ?!?! [02:29] dont peak english very well [02:29] speak [02:30] open calc, chage to expert mode [02:30] cahnge === kent [n=kent@h55d210.delphi.afb.lu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] Are you sure you shouldn't be in #ubuntu, which is where support enquiries should go ? [02:31] now, say "9" [02:32] and click in the "3 line, 6 coluna" (C6 in xadrez) [02:32] look the results: "9Sqrt(" [02:33] dont do the calc [02:34] gabrieltomate : Yes, and? [02:35] its a bug.. no? [02:35] Nah, just type stuff in in the right order. :) [02:35] how i report this? [02:35] Sqrt(9) works a bit better. === crispin [n=crispin@cpc1-cmbg8-4-0-cust246.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hunger [n=hunger@p54A608DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-196-15.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === chris38-home3 [n=Christia@LSt-Amand-152-31-21-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _native_ [n=zombie@cpe-66-87-4-181.ut.sprintbbd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MEPHiST0 [i=mephisto@ccitt5.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga_ [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thierry_ [n=thierry@modemcable143.48-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-65.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-devel === otavio [n=otavio@unaffiliated/otavio] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] hey rob^ :) === _native_ [n=zombie@cpe-66-87-4-181.ut.sprintbbd.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] a question for the pyton gurus: I have a python module (written in c) and it looks like there is no local information set in it even though the locale information in the terminal are fine. inside the module, e.g. nl_langinfo(CHARSET) returns ACSII (but my local is UTF-8) [03:50] did you call setlocale? [03:50] zyga_: no [03:51] mvo, [03:51] #!/usr/bin/python [03:51] # -*- coding: UTF-8 -*- [03:51] thats what i use [03:51] mvo: call setlocale(LC_ALL, "") [03:51] ogra: thanks, my problem happens inside the C extension [03:51] mvo: that will set the locale according to the environment [03:51] mvo: the unicode->string conversion always defaults to ASCII, if that's what you're wondering [03:51] mvo, oh, k [03:51] ogra: isn't that the encoding of the *source* file, not the locale? [03:52] mvo: locale.setlocale() calls the C setlocale() function === zakame [n=zakame@210.5.95.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:52] without it, things default to the legacy "C" locale [03:52] pitti, it encodes the strings i use just fine normally... [03:52] indeed its the encoding of the source... [03:52] thanks jamesh and zyga_, I think that where the missing pieces === mvo tests now [03:55] yes, that looks pretty good now :) is there a convenient way to convert between utf8 and pythons ucs-2 (other than iconv)? === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d5153F60A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thierry_ [n=thierry@modemcable143.48-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:59] Riddell: that works :) thanks [04:00] mvo: python string objects have an encode() method [04:02] Robot101: in the C-API as well? [04:02] well if you have a python string object, you can just make a python method call on it [04:03] hm, I get the data from a external source (in utf8) and want to make it availabe inside python [04:04] mvo: PyUnicode_Encode() is the C API version [04:04] http://evanjones.ca/python-utf8.html [04:06] ah, C interfacing [04:06] thanks jamesh [04:06] didn't read too much upward [04:06] mjr: yeah, but I think PyUnicode_Encode() will do what I need [04:06] probably [04:07] mvo, working on rad things again? :) [04:07] in fact PyUnicode_DecodeUTF8() ... yeah! [04:07] HiddenWolf: teching python apt about translated package descriptions [04:07] python apt? [04:08] mvo, rewriting apt? [04:08] HiddenWolf: no, "only" python bindings for libapt [04:08] HiddenWolf: they are very nice, you can really have nice control over apt and packages form python-apt [04:09] sivang, of course it's nice, mvo is writing it. :) [04:09] HiddenWolf: yes :) === mvo blushes [04:10] :) [04:11] mvo, tell me now, will dapper have autopackage? [04:12]