=== mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:06] btw did anyone get istanbul working? [12:06] i'd love to know how === Arr0gance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-148-151.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:12] dholbach did [12:13] tseng, it doesn't work in breezy [12:13] sorry. [12:13] you mean, dholbach got it working for breezy, or he knows how to fix it? [12:14] he got it working [12:14] in breezy, or on his own machine? [12:14] i am pointing in directions, you are talking to the wrong guy [12:14] ok [12:15] sorry [12:15] Holy **** the Kernel Devel mailing list gets a lot of traffic === _mike [n=mike@zux173-218.adsl.green.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _mike [n=mike@zux173-218.adsl.green.ch] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-141.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alekz [n=alekz@200.38.233.114] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] hi, how can i have a inklevel meter ? === _mike [n=mike@zux173-218.adsl.green.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lord_Maynoth [n=chatzill@h204.38.28.71.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] anyone here [01:02] Yah === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Linux@128.153.197.196] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Trashcan [n=matt@ip70-176-253-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch looks at his bank account & is relieved to see money in there again :) [01:52] ajmitch: so does that mean you can waste more time on Ubuntu ;-) [01:54] LaserJock: means I can afford UBZ ;) [01:54] well, that is important then [01:58] ajmitch: have you set up a Debian chroot from Ubuntu before? [01:58] yes [01:58] I regularly use it [01:59] do you use debootstrap? [01:59] yes [02:00] ok, I am looking at the DebootstrapChroot wiki page and it seems to indicate that debootstrap is distribution specific (Breezy, Hoary, Sid, etc.) is that right? [02:01] yup [02:02] for example.. debootstrap sid /sid-root http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [02:02] on the wiki though you install a different version of debootstrap depending on which one you want. Is that neccessary? [02:02] no [02:03] that was necessary at the time [02:03] since hoary's debootstrap wasn't setup to create a breezy chroot [02:03] ok [02:03] but will I be able to install breezy [02:04] debootstrap and be able to get Dapper [02:04] nope [02:04] you'd dist-upgrade a breezy chroot [02:04] which is what I'll probably do [02:05] ohhh, that makes sense [02:05] but I could install the debootstrap from Breezy and make a sid chroot? [02:07] yes [02:09] ohhh, I see that there are scripts for the dists in /usr/lib/deboootstrap/scripts so that is why [02:10] yep [02:10] that's why the current debootstrap won't do dapper [02:11] maybe for dapper we'll put in a script once we know the name of dapper+1 [02:12] ok, thanks ajmitch. I think I will be using chroots a fair amount from now on. Before I was just installing distros on spare partitions [02:13] chroots are handy [02:13] certainly [02:13] I have 64-bit and 32-bit ones in addition to the pbuilders [02:14] I think I've got hoary, breezy, sarge & sid chroots [02:14] as well as pbuilders [02:14] would someone mind unbanning me from #ubuntu? my connection is fixed for the time being :) [02:14] you can have more than one pbuilder? [02:15] LaserJock: sure [02:15] you just have separate base tarballs [02:15] and possibly separate configs [02:15] wow! It gets better all the time [02:15] cat `which bbuild` [02:15] #!/bin/sh [02:15] sudo pbuilder build $PBOPT --configfile ~/debian/pbuilder/configs/breezy.pbuilderrc $@ [02:15] an example script on my box [02:15] so I'd just bbuild package.dsc [02:16] very cool [02:17] zcn/ [02:17] er, oups- keyboard cleaning [02:17] lol [02:18] LaserJock: don't worry, I've also got a small script to take a list of packages, increment their versions with a changelog entry, repack the source package, and run them through pbuilder :) [02:19] great for massed rebuilds [02:19] dang! I guess BddebianIsGod will have to be replaced with AjmitchIsGodAndMasterOfAll [02:19] haha [02:20] no wonder your Karam is so high, it is all scripted ;-) [02:20] nope [02:20] uploads aren't counted yet :) [02:22] but when they are, watch out [02:22] lol [02:22] oh I've only just started :) [02:22] ajmitch, what is your main profession? [02:22] if you don't mind me asking [02:23] maybe we will have to have a "ajmitch hits 100,000 party" for Dapper [02:25] Trashcan: irc lurker ;) [02:25] hehe [02:25] actually it's programmer [02:25] figures :p [02:25] hmm, that explains a lot, lol [02:25] currently working with php, but I prefer python :) [02:26] well, I'm just a chemist but I am digging python right now === ajmitch would be lucky to hit 100K in karma [02:26] I'd probably need to upload all of universe [02:26] let's cook up another transition so ajmitch can do his thang [02:27] lol [02:27] yay, transitions! [02:27] well, we could just go back and forth between Xorg and Xfree. How about that? [02:27] claw out my eyes with a rusty hammer, thanks [02:28] "oh it's an even year, time for Xfree" [02:28] ajmitch currently working with php, but I prefer python :) <--- you don't do C/C++ work? [02:30] Trashcan: not currently, although I've done C & C++ [02:30] ok [02:31] it wasn't an exhaustive list of languages I know :) [02:31] hmm, I'm moving from FORTRAN to Python. No C++ though. [02:31] fortran :p [02:31] It's basically essential for sciences [02:31] fortran, the choice of true mathematicians with no time/life [02:31] lol [02:32] f95 is an excellent example of a language that should not have had OOP paradigms hacked onto it [02:32] I am trying to convince my advisor (who kinda fits crimsun's description) that python might make or lives simpler [02:32] strictly F77 here ;-) [02:33] tritium used a lot of python in his dissertation as I recall [02:33] well, I'm trying to get the hang of scipy right now. It is really cool. [02:37] I will probably have a some python in my dissertation but it would be pretty minimal since I am an experimentalist === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] can I get somebodies sources.list for Debian unstable? === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:36] LaserJock: [03:37] deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib [03:37] similar for deb-src [03:38] dang it. it's just not working. maybe unstable is not working right now [03:39] i'm just trying to install wget === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-41-252.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] Whats the best way to install Skype? [03:57] I'm feeling curious [03:57] should I fire up nmap and portscan someone..... [04:01] no [04:02] Awww.... [04:02] ooooo I wonder what IRC data looks like === Kyral fires up Ethereal and focuses on himself [04:06] Ethereal capture started :D [04:06] This is gonna be quite interesting [04:06] Its not a bad thing to trace on yourself right? === Amaranth [i=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] Wow...IRC doesn't seem to carry any data unencrypted AT ALL [04:19] if you're using ssl, of course not [04:19] I don't think I am [04:19] I just ran Ethereal for like 3 mins [04:20] I discovered that AIM transmits in the clear [04:20] only for messages [04:20] and notifications [04:20] irc is generally completely cleartext [04:21] Kyral: many protocols are unencrypted [04:21] Kyral: whats the point of encrypting it [04:21] Yah but wow.... [04:21] its silly [04:21] if you really want, you can use ssl with some ircds [04:21] Kyral: why are you so surprised? [04:21] In case someone who is curious is running Ethereal [04:21] Dunno [04:22] bwuahahah [04:22] http://bur.st/~lathiat/dns-sd-avahi.jpg [04:22] ajmitch: [04:23] what'd I do? [04:23] ajmitch: look at that url. :) [04:23] hm, interesting :) [04:23] hard to read though [04:23] im just waiting for sebest to send me a screenshot of bonjour browser [04:23] or itunes ;) [04:24] haha [04:24] Well this was fun [04:24] Now I want to capture more [04:25] and brb, reconnecting with SSL... [04:26] heh [04:26] uh, i dont think freenode does ssl [04:26] :) [04:26] ps: every other person on the channels your on has it in the clear, so it'l just get sniffed elsewhere or on an inter-server link ;) === Kyral [n=Linux@hamlin-160-1785.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] Does Freenode have any SSL servers... [04:27] no.. [04:27] most irc networks don't, afaik [04:27] damnit [04:28] freenode does [04:28] iirc it's ssl.freenode.net [04:28] it does? interesting [04:28] or ssl.irc.freenode.net, check the website [04:28] niiice [04:28] they used to, anyway [04:28] oh, didnt knwo that [04:28] Kyral: what is the point of you connecting with ssl? [04:28] Kyral: theres no point [04:28] I mainly ran the Ethereal trace to find out what was being sent from me [04:28] ajmitch, I'm paranoid ;P [04:28] doesn't make a difference if the people you talk to aren't using it [04:28] Kyral: everythign you say is only going to end up over a non-ssl inter-server link or someone eles client link [04:29] it's like locking the front door when the whole back wall of the house is missing === Lathiat laughs [04:30] ajmitch, it will be encrypted on the way to the server right? [04:31] so? [04:31] Thats all I care about [04:32] I hope your local uni network doesn't allow ethereal to operate [04:32] eh? === stone [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] Why? [04:33] because it's broken if users can sniff packets on their local ethernet segment :) [04:33] since you should be all on switches [04:33] I can only scan the local dorm [04:34] scan in what way? [04:34] Collect packets [04:34] Ethereal trace [04:34] you see all the dorm traffic with ethereal? [04:34] or just broadcast traffic? [04:34] Yah...well, my floor and the one above me. I don't know how far it goes [04:35] I caught stuff like IMs === ajmitch hands Kyral a 2x4 [04:35] HTTP Requests, Jabber, ARP lookups, [04:35] go beat your network admins [04:35] lol [04:35] arp lookups are expected [04:35] http requests and jabber arent tho. :) [04:35] hah === Lathiat loves dsniff [04:35] Well like half the people have routers [04:35] Lathiat: yes, I wasn't going to go into those :) [04:36] msgsnarf is great [04:36] so I can't tap them directly [04:36] ajmitch: heheh [04:36] Lathiat: ettercap? :) [04:36] Kyral: errr, what do you mean [04:36] I can't "aim" at the computers behind routers === Lathiat puzzles [04:36] I can't nmap the things behind routers [04:37] directly [04:37] oh, right [04:37] Lathiat: he's trying to h4x0r computers on the dorm network ;) [04:37] Nah [04:37] i thought he was still talking about sniffing [04:37] I just wanted to see what my IRC Traffic looked like [04:37] and was trying to figure out what a router had to do with stopping you doing that [04:37] Kyral: go read RFC1459. :) [04:37] nmap is not the way to go, honestly [04:37] catching everything else was a bonus ;P [04:37] nmap causes stuff from you to show up as nice flashing alerts on many people's systems === lath|telnet [n=lath@penguins.squaa.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:38] then you can do this. :) [04:38] not if you use it right [04:38] Kyral: uh, yeh, it does [04:38] people know what nmap does inside out [04:38] Oh [04:38] remind me not to portscan with nmap [04:38] Kyral: don't portscan with nmap [04:38] I won't [04:38] dont portscan [04:38] good [04:38] you might get a visit from some people [04:39] theres no way to portscan that can't be detected in one way or another [04:39] the most I would do is go knock on the door and show them the output ;P [04:39] and them help them fix it [04:39] that's still cleaning up after the fact [04:39] after people have freaked about about a breakin attempt :P [04:39] Somehow my eth0 runs in Promiscous mode all the time [04:40] Kyral: how do you know that? [04:40] *sigh* [04:40] UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST [04:40] i'm still getting reports on a simple typo in the about box on smeg 0.7.5 [04:40] Lathiat: I know there are some methods of portscanning using sequencing that are far harder to detect === Lathiat points out the lack of PROMISC in that line [04:40] oh [04:40] I DON'T CARE === Amaranth vents [04:40] I gues Ethereal killed it [04:40] ajmitch: yeh, using zombie boxes is fun too [04:40] heh [04:40] ajmitch: have you read about how that works? [04:40] ooo I have experianced people here [04:41] its quite cool === Kyral plops down [04:41] idle scanning? [04:41] ajmitch: but any which way, its quite seeable [04:41] Can you show me stuff? [04:41] Kyral: yes, ethereal puts PROMISC on when its sniffing [04:41] obviously [04:41] sit at the feet of the mighty Lathiat, networking guru ;) [04:41] hmm, then why does chkrootkit tell me that eth0 is in PROMISC? [04:41] Lathiat: detectable, but harder to trace back to you [04:41] ajmitch: right [04:42] anything that sends packets is going to show up somehow [04:42] ajmitch: basically, you use spoof packets [04:42] ajmitch: (which aren talways available, but often on a lan) [04:42] Are Ethereal traces detectable? [04:42] yeah [04:42] ajmitch: and you fire a portscan packet with the source of another computer [04:42] Kyral: it's possible [04:42] ajmitch: and then you fire a packet at the portsca compute [04:42] I mean, it just watches what flows past right? [04:42] ajmitch: and if that other computer has predictable sequence numbers [04:42] yeah, I remember reading about that scanning when it came out [04:42] ajmitch: you can use that to figure out if the remote host has the port open, as it would have sent an ACK etc [04:42] yep [04:42] BTW: Technically Tracing from the Dorms is against the rules, except from the ITL [04:43] sometimes it's useful having wasted a semester learning the details of tcp/ip ;) [04:43] hence patches for randomizing various numbers [04:43] to try decrease the possibility of such things [04:43] yes [04:43] Kyral: sniffing, no [04:43] But since I'm on the Maintenence Team for the ITL... [04:43] Tracing == Sniffing? [04:43] probabl [04:44] y [04:44] i set OSPF up over a point-to-multipoint frame-relay link between 3 routers yesterday ;p === Lathiat hugs cisco course [04:44] they have this rather nifty 'netlab' [04:45] yeah that's just evil === ajmitch has used OSPF [04:45] that has a bunch of routers in the rack and a computer between telnet and the machine [04:45] and you can tell it to do cerain things === zakame [n=zakame@203.215.105.148] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:45] scrub the config, etc [04:45] and it takes control and drops it into rommon, sets the config register etc === dfarning [n=dfarning@ppp-70-226-140-33.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:45] then puts anew config on and saves it, and gives control back [04:45] can also power the devices on and off [04:45] hi all [04:45] its quite cool [04:46] hmm [04:46] Lets see what this turns up [04:46] ajmitch: its a bitch quagga doesnt do OSPF [04:46] I set Ethereal to a meg of traffic [04:46] Lathiat: zebra did when I used it [04:46] the routers we work oon are so slow, when i was doing bgp i wused 3 vmwares with minimal hoary installs + quagga and vmware virtual networks. :) [04:46] I'm using BGP now though [04:46] vmware team networks are sweet [04:46] you can set bandwidht [04:46] packet loss [04:46] etc [04:46] put as many hosts on segments [04:47] and have as many as you like [04:47] its really cool [04:47] How many packets is a Meg? [04:47] Kyral: thats not defined [04:47] roughly [04:47] it could be anywhere between 700 and 16,000 or something [04:47] hmm, coming up on 700... [04:48] my trace of a VNC session was much more interesting [04:48] ajmitch: baha [04:48] ajmitch: *imagines dsniff with a vnc viewer* [04:48] Keep in mind it was my own VNC session [04:48] what is dsniff? [04:48] the dodgy mind of Lathiat ;) [04:48] Kyral: somethign thatl get you in lots of trouble ;p [04:49] So stick with Ethereal ;P [04:49] :) [04:49] man i tried quake4 out yesterday [04:49] chugged like crazy :( [04:49] but 256M surely is nto helping [04:49] i might try ti out my othe rmachine with 512M [04:49] but i'll hve to use windows or install hoary or something since the nvidia drivers wont work [04:50] I'm gonna try to see what an Apt download looks like :D [04:50] on breezy on my laptop [04:50] Kyral: just http [04:50] or ftp or whatever you have setup [04:51] the novelty of ethereal quickly wears off [04:51] What does Etherape do... [04:51] ajmitch, I'm using as a learning experiance [04:51] aha usre, thats what they all say ;p [04:51] Kyral: it likes [04:51] avahi is much much cooler than ethereal [04:51] Kyral: gives you a few of all the hosts it sees showing packets [04:51] eh? [04:51] shame about the upstream though ;) [04:51] and shows a line, size depending on bandwidht of the packets goign around [04:51] try it out [04:51] I will === Lathiat kicks ajmitch [04:51] :D [04:51] It won't get me in trouble will it? [04:52] nah [04:52] Seriously I'm gonna take an IT minor, might be good for me to learn about what network traffic looks like :D [04:52] well, unless someones standing ove ryour shoulder [04:52] im gonna drop out of kde and kill everythign to try get enough ram to make quake4 work ;) [04:52] bbiab [04:53] will avahi get me in trouble... [04:53] no [04:53] haha [04:53] http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/Avahi [04:53] avahi is to 1337 for that [04:53] s/to/too/ [04:54] and what can it do? [04:54] service discovery [04:54] ==? [04:54] apt-get install service-discovery-applet [04:56] avahi-daemon too, and avahi-utils [04:56] yeah, s-d-a might need a few more dependencies === ajmitch is hungry now [05:03] some idiot is running an FTP, SFTP, and SSH server in the clear... [05:03] hah [05:03] ssh in the clear? :) [05:03] yah [05:04] what on earth do you mean by that? [05:04] It showed up on Services Discovery [05:04] what happens if i click on the name? [05:05] generally people refer to 'in the clear' as unencrypted [05:05] which sftp & ssh are not [05:05] what you mean is that the services are announced, most likely on a mac OSX box [05:05] Kyral: the whole point of service discovery is to announce them on the network, duh [05:06] I got some CDP traffic [05:06] as in cisco? [05:06] yah === Lathiat nods === ajmitch wonders why he's only seeing his own computer in avahi-discover - most likely all the macs in the house are off [05:08] yeah, the mac fanatic is out of the house at the moment ;) [05:08] haha [05:08] Wow, caught a CUPS packet [05:08] Kyral: you seem amazed at the normal background traffic that goes on :) [05:09] Lathiat: it'll be fun to see how much stuff is around on wireless at LCA [05:10] How do I filter out my own traffic? [05:12] ok, time to make a supermarket run [05:12] bbl [05:12] ajmitch: yeh [05:12] Kyral: put ip.addr != up the top [05:13] Can I apply multiple filters at a time? [05:19] yes [05:19] and [05:19] and this and that [05:20] I'm done for the night === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chiefofthejojos [n=bradpitc@carlsbad-cuda7-g2-69-160-45-147.crlsca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@84.254.12.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089D77D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-229-206-195.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:53] ajmitch: ping? [07:53] pong [07:53] how may I be of assistance? [07:53] did you make a unstable chroot from Breezy? [07:54] yes, I did [07:54] I can't get debootstrap to work to save my life [07:55] I tried sid and everything looks ok, but I don't have less and I can't apt-get anything [07:55] etch didn't get through debootstrap [07:55] what happens when you try to use apt-get? [07:56] I get lot of unmet deps [07:56] libssl is one I know of [07:56] what's in your chroot sources list? [07:56] I just try apt-get install wget and it has at least 3 unmet deps [07:56] and have you run apt-get update? [07:57] deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free [07:57]