[12:04] <dragonkh> hello
[12:05] <dragonkh> I just upgraded to breezy and found that the kernel has an older version of nvidia than the defualt hoary kernel 
[12:05] <Chiron> libben: install QT
[12:05] <dragonkh> so I had to build 7667 nvidia rather than using my current 7676 
[12:05] <dragonkh> is that weird?
[12:06] <Chiron> ?
[12:06] <humbolt> does anybody know about spamassassin and if it works kmail (without being installed on a smtp or pop?)
[12:06] <dragonkh> humbolt yeah it does 
[12:06] <Firetech> dragonkh: 7676 wasn't in hoary afaik..
[12:06] <qatsi> i cant seem to register
[12:06] <qatsi> i do /msg nickserv register password, but i cant PM Chiron :s
[12:06] <dragonkh> Firetech - it was in my kernel - and afaik I was using defualt hoary kernel 
[12:07] <dragonkh> Firetech - unless I upgraded 
[12:07] <dragonkh> but I dont recall
[12:07] <Firetech> dragonkh: http://packages.ubuntu.com/nvidia-glx
[12:07] <Chiron> qatsi: just go into the channel #chiron then
[12:07] <Firetech> hoary had 7174
[12:08] <dragonkh> I was using kernel 2.6.10.5
[12:08] <dragonkh> and I ahd to build 7676 for that 
[12:08] <humbolt> dragonkh: what packages do i need? do I have to configure spamassassin rules or does it use some kind of public black lists and some AI to find out what is spam by itself?
[12:08] <Chiron> libben: let me try and build + install Kasablanca on my fresh Breezy install
[12:08] <LeeJunFan> I don't know what's more annoying about 5.10, having my HD's mount when I don't want them too or having KDE open 7 windows on my desktop. :(
[12:09] <Chiron> libben: just use the debian package they have on their website
[12:10] <humbolt> LeeJunFan: Yes, I find that anoying to! There must be a way, to turn that off!
[12:10] <Chiron> libben: oh, it doesn't work
[12:10] <qatsi> Chiron: im 3333chiron
[12:10] <dragonkh> humbolt - you need to follow one of the tutorials as its a little hard to explain 
[12:10] <qatsi> Chiron: sorry, #chiron
[12:10] <dragonkh> humbolt - let me see if I have the one I used
[12:10] <humbolt> At least the window opening. I do not bother about the mounting, in fact, that's what I want
[12:10] <LeeJunFan> humbolt: I hope so, I've been fighting it for the last few hours. And even though I have noauto in fstab entries they still get mounted, ignoring all my mount options.
[12:11] <LeeJunFan> humbolt: I wouldn't mind the automounting too much if it would at least use my uid= and mask options.
[12:12] <LeeJunFan> humbolt: but the windows definately have to go - especially when they sometimes seem to open before the mounting is done and open to non existing dirs.
[12:12] <Firetech> dragonkh: so you built the nvidia driver yourself?
[12:12] <humbolt> Does anybody know why kde so often does not perform my shutdown/logout request? And why since breezy I get a message, that something can not talk to klauncher on shutdown. this shows up, after the screen was already blanked!
[12:13] <dragonkh> Firetech - I got the drivers from the nvidia site and ran the installer
[12:14] <dragonkh> Firetech - but just now after ug to breezy - I was told I had an x module with a different version to the kernel 
[12:14] <mars> What schould i write in apt-get to downloat qt 3 ?
[12:14] <dragonkh> so I had ot build a 7667 to make it work 
[12:14] <dragonkh> anyway - nevermind 
[12:15] <dragonkh> Why when I boot up now does it hang after checking battery ?
[12:15] <mars> !tell mars about respo
[12:16] <mars> Can someone write it for me?
[12:17] <kairu0> hey all
[12:18] <humbolt> Does anybody get some wired stuff on KDE logout with breezy?
[12:18] <Firetech> dragonkh: yeah. the nvidia-installer installed that module. Unninstall the driver installed by the nvidia-installer (add --uninstall after the command) then install nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules for your kernel
[12:19] <dragonkh> humbolt - http://support.real-time.com/open-source/spamassassin/kmail.html
[12:19] <Firetech> dragonkh: sudo apt-get nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-386 for example
[12:19] <dragonkh> Firetech - you talkig anout why it hangs onm boot ?
[12:19] <dragonkh> Firetech - or my nvidia ?
[12:19] <Firetech> dragonkh: no, the module version error
[12:19] <dragonkh> Firetech - I fixed that by installing the older version 
[12:20] <Firetech> (k)ubuntu has a prebuilt version of the nvidia driver, you should use that instead of installing your own one...
[12:20] <dragonkh> Firetech - oh I see
[12:21] <dragonkh> Firetech - well the how to on the ubuntu forum says to dl and install the official one
[12:21] <dragonkh> Firetech - anyhow it works - so its fine with me 
[12:21] <Firetech> there's a how to on how to do that, it doesn't tell you TO do so.
[12:21] <dragonkh> Firetech - I just want to make it boot now
[12:22] <Firetech> yeye :P
[12:22] <dragonkh> why wont the damn thing boot 
[12:22] <dragonkh> is it a bug ?
[12:22] <dragonkh> in my config perhaps ?
[12:22] <dragonkh> the other machine booted breezy no problem 
[12:22] <dragonkh> this one hangs on boot
[12:22] <dragonkh> and I ahve to manually startx
[12:24] <dragonkh> you know I just searched the forums and found several postings with my symptoms -  they say - I u/g to breezy - it hangs on boot and the nvidia drivers dont work - im going back to hoary - hahahha !!
[12:24] <kairu0> i'm thinking about moving to kde because xfce hasnt been updated since may
[12:27] <_mars> !tell mars respo
[12:27] <dragonkh> !tell dragonkh respo
[12:28] <dragonkh> what ?
[12:30] <_mars> dragonkh: write please !tell _mars about repositories
[12:31] <dragonkh> !tell _mars about repositories
[12:31] <_mars> Thanks
[12:31] <dragonkh> np 
[12:33] <zyn> hmmm
[12:35] <JustinS> g'day all . how would KUbuntu be as a web/ftp/samba/nfs server?
[12:36] <_manveru> JustinS: i have kubuntu in use as samba, ftp and web-server atm
[12:36] <_manveru> but i don't think you would use it on a large scale
[12:37] <JustinS> It'll be running about 5-10 websites .. all family sites, nothing big ..
[12:37] <_manveru> why do you want kde on a server?
[12:38] <JustinS> _manveru: Not really but it's not a big deal either way ..
[12:38] <JustinS> I had kde on it with Gentoo this last go around .. (MySQL got a serious upgrade and messed a LOT of things up so I'm moving on).
[12:39] <JustinS> I see a server method on the kubuntu disc .. minimal .. 
[12:39] <_manveru> well, if you want to host some page, i don't think it will be any problem
[12:39] <_manveru> exactly
[12:39] <zyn> the ubuntu team did release ubuntu server
[12:39] <_manveru> that's the one without X11
[12:39] <_manveru> he says he wants kubuntu :)
[12:40] <JustinS> I like the ability to use X if I want to though .. I'm not good enough in cli to go totally with out I think ..
[12:40] <zyn> so install kubuntu, and then apt-get install ubuntu-server or some voodoo like that
[12:40] <JustinS> That'll work .. 
[12:40] <zyn> or install ubuntu server, and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop...
[12:40] <zyn> whatever stirs your kool-aid
[12:40] <_mars> !tell _mars about qt
[12:40] <zyn> :)
[12:41] <zyn> _mars: Qt rocks :)
[12:41] <_manveru> http://lwn.net/Articles/156309/
[12:41] <_mars> I need it to deco
[12:41] <_mars> and i need to find lib i have to downlads
[12:41] <JustinS> The nice thing is it's an old box so "everything" should work right off .. I hope .. (Needs  a bios flash though)
[12:41] <zyn> deco?
[12:41] <_mars> window decoration
[12:41] <_mars> i was using crystal in hoary
[12:42] <_mars> but it doesent work in breezy
[12:42] <zyn> ahh... need to rebuild it probably
[12:42] <_mars> I wrote to author
[12:42] <_mars> He said that he is not going to help me
[12:42] <zyn> :/
[12:43] <kairu0> what are the serious bugs in 3.5 beta 2?
[12:43] <_mars> And KDE crashed completly :)
[12:44] <_mars> zyn write !tell _mars about qt 
[12:44] <_mars> please
[12:44] <hussam> I installed dazuko kernel module but it won't load unless I load it before "capability" kernel module. How do I do that?
[12:45] <zyn> ?
[12:45] <_mars> write !tell _mars about qt
[12:45] <_mars> i cant write it i myself i need to register
[12:45] <zyn> !tell _mars about qt
[12:45] <_mars> ok thanks
[12:45] <zyn> np
[12:46] <Chiron> what is the package for KDE headers?
[12:46] <qatsi> uhmm, how do i install a tgz file ?
[12:47] <zyn> s,ien,ine,
[12:48] <_mars> qatsi: tgz - you need to extract it :)
[12:48] <qatsi> _mars: already extracted :D
[12:49] <JustinS> does /usr/local get pretty big? I'm chopping up my hd's right now and have 1.5 gig available for .. something .. (already have /boot swap and /tmp ..)
[12:52] <dohtem> hey guys, xorg.conf stores my monitor settings and I can resue the file regardless of distro if my hardware remains the same correct?
[12:53] <humbolt> I see kmail supports numerous spam filters which one is the best?
[12:53] <zyn> dohtem: and provided all the font paths still work...
[12:54] <siimo> kde 3.5 beta2 is out for kubuntu =)
[12:55] <dohtem> zyn: ah, thanks
[12:55] <Chiron> where is the file associations menu in the "system settings"
[12:55] <Chiron> ?
[12:59] <kairu0> any scim users?
[01:02] <qatsi> i need to install a tgz file, how do i do that?...already extracted it, but dont know how...any help ?
[01:03] <JustinS> qatsi: If it's extracted there should be a file in there that's either a configure.sh or .bin or something like that .. I'm not sure what you've got but google would have some answers, or the place you got the file ..
[01:04] <qatsi> JustinS: thanx
[01:04] <JustinS> Once in a while you don't have to fire up anything .. 
[01:05] <libben> Chiron: no. i wanna build it. so i get the latest
[01:05] <tenco> qatsi: look for a file called either INSTALL or README and read it
[01:06] <JustinS> zyn: FreeBSD kicked me ass lastnight is it worth it to use the freesbie disc to install it? (It's older, but can't I get it all updated via ports?)
[01:06] <qatsi> tenco: none of them is included
[01:07] <zyn> justin: never tried freebsie... can't really say
[01:07] <JustinS> zyn: the install for freebsd is just too messy (And I'm a Gentoo user normaly) .. 
[01:08] <zyn> and i think it's wonderful :)
[01:09] <zyn> use it for my main development machine at work
[01:09] <JustinS> zyn: I think FreeBSD is wonderful too but man that install .. bounces around like a madhatter ..
[01:09] <zyn> would have put it on this laptop, but the damn install cd wouldn't boot
[01:10] <JustinS> aha .. I've got the Beta4 CD's around for 6.0 but since RC1 is out I'd rather go toss that on my server ..
[01:11] <_mars_> Shit i downloaded window decoration and i cant run it ://
[01:12] <Chiron> why I can't I use my laptop volume buttons to change the volume?
[01:12] <libben> Chiron: no. i wanna build it. so i get the latest
[01:12] <libben> why does it says error
[01:12] <Chiron> no, it just doesn't do anything
[01:13] <JustinS> Chiron: You'll have to research a little to see what it needs ..
[01:13] <Chiron> libben: about the Kasablanca program
[01:13] <Chiron> libben: you have to install a few dev files
[01:14] <libben> i have
[01:14] <libben> i installed build-essentials
[01:14] <libben> and the xlib-dev
[01:14] <libben> and that last one hade like 10-15 deps
[01:14] <libben> so i should have it all
[01:14] <libben> anyhow.. the last thing the ./configure says
[01:15] <libben> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[01:15] <libben> last line
[01:15] <libben> extern "C" void std::exit (int) throw (); using std::exit;
[01:15] <libben> configure: exit 1
[01:15] <zyn> do you have a c++ compiler installed? :)
[01:19] <duri> is KHotKeys part of the standard kubuntu build ?
[01:20] <duri> I would like to add mouse gestures to Konqueror
[01:20] <dohtem> whats the command to take screenshots from the command line?
[01:21] <Chiron> libben: it works for me
[01:21] <Chiron> libben: did you get kdelibs-dev package?
[01:22] <Benavent> hola buenas
[01:22] <Chiron> I broke Ksysguard
[01:22] <Benavent> quiero instalar kubuntu en mi portatil
[01:23] <Chiron> has anyone else had the same problem when upgrading?
[01:23] <Benavent> pero mientras carga la instalacin se queda la pantalla en negro i no se ve na
[01:23] <Benavent> alguien puede decirme a que se debe?
[01:23] <Chiron> Benavent: la pantalla es negro?
[01:24] <Chiron> Benavent: no dice nada en la pantalla?
[01:24] <duri> dohtem: /usr/bin/ksnapshot --help-all | more
[01:24] <Benavent> si, no muestra nada
[01:24] <dohtem> thnaks duri 
[01:24] <dohtem> thanks*
[01:25] <Benavent> empieza a cargar pero se fastidia
[01:25] <Chiron> Benavent: hmm, no se que pasa
[01:25] <Benavent> juer
[01:25] <Benavent> weno
[01:25] <Benavent> es raro la verdad
[01:25] <Chiron> Benavent: no puedo hacer much sin un error
[01:25] <Benavent> nunca me habia pasado
[01:25] <Chiron> *mucho
[01:25] <Benavent> podria ser algun problema de incompatibilidad?
[01:27] <Benavent> dice algo antes de quedarse en negro pero no me da tiempo a leeer
[01:27] <_mars_> mamma mia :] 
[01:27] <Benavent> me ha parecido ver algo de buffer
[01:29] <Chiron> Benavent: que esta haciendo el instalador antes de la pantalla negra?
[01:30] <zyn> hmm
[01:31] <Benavent> pera que te digo lo que carga
[01:31] <Chiron> Benavent: tienes que disculpar mi Espanol, hace casi 4 anos sin escribir en esta lenguaje
[01:31] <Benavent> jejeje
[01:31] <Benavent> no pasa nada
[01:31] <Benavent> ;)
[01:32] <Benavent> gracias por la ayuda ;)
[01:32] <Chiron> de nada
[01:32] <Benavent> meto el cd i me sale la pantalla de kubuntu
[01:33] <Benavent> i cuando le doi a enter emipeza a cargar vmlinuz
[01:33] <Benavent> initr.gz
[01:33] <Benavent> i empiezan a salir un monton de letras
[01:33] <Chiron> I have some broken package-ness that I can't seem to fix with apt, is there some command I can use to autofix packages?
[01:33] <Benavent> i de golpe i porrazo se queda parao i la pantalla negra
[01:34] <Chiron> Benavent: oh ok
[01:34] <Chiron> Benavent: eso es antes del installador
[01:34] <Benavent> ok
[01:34] <Benavent> se te ocurre algo?
[01:34] <Chiron> Benavent: el installador use una programma que se llama "Ncurses"
[01:35] <endo6O2> hello
[01:35] <Chiron> Benavent: quizas tiene la problem de incompatibilidad
[01:35] <Chiron> hi
[01:36] <Benavent> asin poca cosa puedo hacer
[01:36] <endo6O2> anyone get this when inserting USB The file or folder media:/sda1 does not exist.
[01:36] <endo6O2> ?
[01:36] <Chiron> Benavent: no hay mucho que puedes hacer
[01:36] <Chiron> Benavent: es la computadora nueva?
[01:37] <Benavent> tiene 1 ao i medio
[01:37] <Benavent> es un ordenador portatil
[01:38] <Benavent> no es muy viejo
[01:38] <Chiron> vives en los Estados Unidos o en Mexico?
[01:38] <Benavent> en espaa
[01:38] <Chiron> Benavent: ok
[01:39] <Benavent> ahora he probado con la distribucion de fedora
[01:39] <Benavent> i tambien se cuelga
[01:40] <Chiron> Benavent: y no tenias problema con otras computadoras cuando tratabas de installar Kubuntu?
[01:40] <Benavent> no
[01:40] <Benavent> se instalo bien
[01:42] <elementarmy> how do you bind keys
[01:43] <Chiron> Benavent: hmm, no esta much que puedo hacer sin error, pero my adivinacion es que no es compatible con ese computadora
[01:43] <Chiron> *mucho
[01:43] <Benavent> gracias de todos modos ;)
[01:43] <duri> elementarmy: try reading this one ... http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/50/KHotkeys.pdf ... I was just reading about hotkeys and mouse gestures
[01:43] <Benavent> un saludo a todo el mundo
[01:43] <Chiron> de nada
[01:44] <Chiron> buena suerte
[01:44] <Chiron> heh
[01:44] <billytwowilly> so did someone change where amarok looks for the ipod without telling anyone?
[01:44] <billytwowilly> amarok can't find my ipod mini mounted on /mnt/ipod
[01:44] <libben> Chiron: just read what u wrote. and no. i havent. but i have installed xlibs-dev. should i keep it or uninstall it?
[01:44] <Chiron> keep it
[01:47] <Chiron> does anyone know how to make the laptop volume keys work in linux?
[01:48] <kairu0> Chiron, what is your laptop?
[01:49] <Chiron> Inspiron 1100
[01:49] <Chiron> Dell
[01:49] <kairu0> okay dunno i have sony
[01:49] <Chiron> well how did you do it on there?
[01:49] <kairu0> but there should be a special kde component for laptop keys in your setup
[01:50] <Chiron> where's that?
[01:50] <kairu0> in the kde control panel
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> humbolt: ivman - that's the fscker thats automounting your stuff, and it's in /usr/bin/startkde
[01:51] <Chiron> I still have this broken package problem
[01:51] <Chiron> I can't fix it
[01:52] <djperegrine> Can I/ SHould  I add debian repostories ?
[01:52] <fatejudger> djperegrine: why not
[01:52] <endo6O2> has anyone installed moodin before?
[01:52] <djperegrine> I dunno
[01:52] <hettar> yeah
[01:52] <hettar> moddin is pretty good
[01:52] <hettar> err moodin even
[01:57] <elementarmy> does anyone run 3d desktop?
[01:59] <_brady> I have a strange networking problem:  dns queries seemed extra slow.  Basically it willtake no less than 5 seconds to get an answer to a DNS query.  Ethereal shows the dns query at 0 seconds, then 4.9999 seconds later an arp query is set for the primary nameserver in resolv.conf
[01:59] <_brady> I only have one network adapter active
[02:00] <_brady> I don't run a 3d desktop, but always wanted to check one out
[02:06] <djperegrine> how do I get it so it doesn't try to update ubutunu packages with debian packages?
[02:06] <Topslakr> is there good way to have kubuntu update the kde menus?
[02:13] <endo6O2> hello
[02:14] <pwn3r_> hi
[02:15] <libben> Chiron: should i hit yes on the checkinstall  when it asks about documentation?
[02:15] <libben> it tells me that it couldent find docs. and tells me it can create a default set of package docs
[02:21] <libben> Chiron: i installed the homemade deb, but its not showing in the kmenu
[02:24] <libben> pwn3r_: 
[02:24] <libben> or someone
[02:24] <libben> i just made a deb with checkinstall. kasablanca it was.
[02:24] <libben> and now i installed it. and it wont show up
[02:25] <libben> even in terminal it wont show up when i start typing kasablanca
[02:25] <libben> its installed thou when i dpkg -l | grep kasablanca
[02:25] <pwn3r_> sorry libben, sounds strange to me.
[02:26] <pwn3r_> can you find the executable at all?
[02:26] <pwn3r_> in /usr/bin or whereevr it should be?
[02:26] <othernoob> is there a good graphical dvd-authoring program in the repos?
[02:27] <Sonny_Wertzik> can someone answer a question about a difference between Knoppix and Kubuntu?
[02:28] <pax> kasablanca! whatta clever name for KDE app!
[02:28] <libben> nope
[02:28] <libben> but oooh
[02:28] <pwn3r_> Sonny_Wertzik, ask your question and you will find out :)
[02:28] <Sonny_Wertzik> ok
[02:28] <libben> i also deleted the folder where i did the sudo checkinstall and then moved the deb out 
[02:28] <Sonny_Wertzik> in knoppix when you hover over the icons on the panel they swell up...can this be set in kubuntu?
[02:28] <libben> but that shouldent matter
[02:29] <pwn3r_> that is a good question, i would like to know that too
[02:29] <Sonny_Wertzik> pwn3r_, u know what i mean right?
[02:30] <pax> what's special about kasablanca, kbear is no good?
[02:30] <libben> how do i uninstall?
[02:30] <pwn3r_> Sonny_Wertzik, yea i think do, it is probly a KDE option
[02:30] <pax> I never used any ftp app with kde other than konqueror btw
[02:31] <Sonny_Wertzik> pwn3r_, ya i cant find it hehehe
[02:33] <pwn3r_> libben, do you still have the deb file?
[02:33] <libben> http://pastebin.com/402487
[02:33] <Sonny_Wertzik> anyyone know the answer to tht one?
[02:33] <libben> pwn3r_: yeah i still have it. did a comlete removal in synaptic.
[02:33] <libben> and installed it again
[02:33] <libben> but the same as in url
[02:33] <libben> i install it, type kasablanca. and it wont pop
[02:34] <endo6O2> how do i get the process window?
[02:35] <pwn3r_> libben, are you sure that is the name to run it?
[02:35] <pwn3r_> where can i get this deb?
[02:36] <libben> well nothing with kas has popped when i hit tab several times
[02:36] <libben> from me? =) i just compiled it
[02:36] <libben> and did it with checkinstall
[02:36] <pwn3r_> oh maybe it is in /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin ? :)
[02:37] <pwn3r_> just an idea
[02:37] <libben> nope, only quake3 in there
[02:37] <libben> can it be called kasbar?
[02:38] <fatejudger> can somebody paste their ksysguard.list file on pastebin for me?
[02:38] <fatejudger> somehow mine got messed up
[02:38] <Sonny_Wertzik> does anyone know if mscorefonts can be installed  from breezy repos ?
[02:39] <pax> libben, what kde ver are you using?
[02:39] <Sonny_Wertzik> pax, me?
[02:39] <libben> 343
[02:39] <Sonny_Wertzik> oh sorry
[02:40] <pax> did it comaplian about kdelibs4 when installing?
[02:41] <libben> what u mean, compiling or installing ? http://pastebin.com/402487
[02:41] <libben> thats my installing
[02:43] <libben> what to type to clear the apt-cache ?
[02:43] <libben> so i dont install the same old deb again?
[02:43] <libben> gonna rebuild it
[02:43] <libben> apt-cache clear?
[02:43] <crimsun> autoclean
[02:43] <crimsun> clean if you want to purge it of all debs
[02:44] <crimsun> apt-get autoclean
[02:44] <libben> i just wanna wipe the cache location,... so it really uses the new one
[02:44] <crimsun> apt-get clean
[02:45] <libben> whats the diffrence in autoclean?
[02:46] <crimsun> autoclean keeps the version currently installed
[02:46] <libben> aaah
[02:46] <libben> ok
[02:49] <libben> sez some warnings when doing make
[02:49] <libben> but in the end it says all ok
[02:49] <libben> and that i should go on with make install
[02:49] <libben> but i do checkinstall with sudo
[02:51] <fatejudger> for some reason Konq won't show "media:/"
[02:51] <fatejudger> the stuff in there
[02:53] <unsurreal> is anything mounted?
[02:53] <unsurreal> cd in drive?
[02:53] <unsurreal> floppy in drive?
[02:54] <libben> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/402501
[02:55] <libben> thats what happends when im all done
[02:55] <libben> and when i try to type kasablanca
[02:55] <libben> nothing happends
[02:55] <libben> maybe i should redownload the source?
[02:56] <crimsun> err
[02:57] <crimsun> you should make a proper Ubuntu package for it
[02:57] <libben> i was told to use checkinstall by some dudes in here =)
[02:57] <libben> so whats the proper ubuntu package then?
[02:58] <crimsun> make one
[02:58] <crimsun> see wiki/DeveloperResources
[02:58] <libben> ill look into it then, but why wont i find a kasablanca in the system?
[02:58] <libben> where is it executable?
[02:59] <crimsun> checkinstall probably dumps it into /usr/
[02:59] <libben> i can see it in usr/local/bin or in /usr/bin
[02:59] <crimsun> /usr/bin/  rather
[02:59] <libben> what do i type for updating the db ? so i can locate the xecutable
[03:00] <crimsun> just do a directory listing (ls) of /usr/bin/
[03:00] <libben> ive made that
[03:00] <libben> and its not there
[03:01] <libben> so i wanna hunt the executable down from the updated db
[03:01] <crimsun> then dpkg-deb -c foo.deb
[03:01] <libben> i know where my deb file is
[03:01] <libben> i mean the executable that should lay in /usr/bin
[03:02] <crimsun> I presume you know what the command I gave you does?
[03:02] <crimsun> filter the output from dpkg-deb -c foo.deb for your executable
[03:02] <crimsun> should be straight-forward
[03:02] <libben> sorta. it list all things that has with it to do
[03:02] <crimsun> it lists the paths of the contents
[03:03] <libben> -rwxr-xr-x root/root    369056 2005-10-23 02:50:54 ./usr/local/kde/bin/kasablanca
[03:03] <libben> i would say we have a winner =)
[03:03] <libben> but thats not the righ locations 
[03:03] <crimsun> reason one billion+three not to use checkinstall
[03:04] <libben> k, but i was told it would make a deb for me so i could uninstall it with synaptic for example
[03:04] <libben> that wouldent be possible with just make install?
[03:04] <crimsun> correct
[03:04] <crimsun> checkinstall is better than clobbering /usr/ blindly, yes
[03:04] <crimsun> it's far from a proper Ubuntu package, though
[03:04] <libben> but by doing it with make install i would do it correctly into the paths?
[03:05] <crimsun> I have no idea; I haven't inspected kasablanca's Makefile
[03:05] <libben> dpkg -r is purge?
[03:05] <libben> or complete removal?
[03:05] <libben> isnt that just teh same?
[03:05] <crimsun> neither
[03:06] <crimsun> it just removes the package
[03:06] <crimsun> -P is purge, which is a complete removal
[03:06] <libben> hmm so how do i type it ? 
[03:07] <libben> sudo dpkg -P kasablance?
[03:07] <libben> but its not seen in the system so it wont find it on that
[03:07] <tsume> hey, curious what power settings software wise could be on. My screen goes ogg after 20 minutes and I must restart X because of the nvidia module. What could be a problem here?
[03:07] <tsume> *off
[03:08] <libben> crimsun: 
[03:09] <libben> can i go on to just type make install again?
[03:09] <libben> or do i need to do all the parts over again?
[03:09] <libben> ./configure and make
[03:09] <crimsun> tsume: the nvidia (binary-only) driver does not support suspend/hibernate properly; the nv (free) one does.
[03:10] <libben> crimsun: why wouldent this pop  up into the Kmenu ? cause it was installed but just not in the path
[03:10] <crimsun> libben: if you make install, you'll make it very difficult to remove the application
[03:10] <libben> u mean i need to do it by hand =)
[03:10] <tsume> crimsun: I'm _pretty_ sure I disabled it from power management. Where else could it be set?
[03:10] <crimsun> libben: yes
[03:10] <libben> likde looing in the output from dpkg -c debfile
[03:10] <crimsun> tsume: you would need to disable dpms in xorg.conf
[03:11] <crimsun> libben: no, that's checkinstall's paths
[03:11] <crimsun> libben: which may or may not correspond at all to what the original Makefiles use
[03:11] <libben> ok =)
[03:12] <tsume> crimsun: I already took that out
[03:12] <cyne> how do i make a backup copy of my dvd in kubuntu?
[03:12] <crimsun> tsume: no, you must explicitly DISABLE it
[03:12] <tsume> crimsun: oh.
[03:12] <tsume> crimsun: *sigh* you would think it would not be abled by default :P
[03:12] <crimsun> dinnertime.
[03:12] <libben> cp /media/cdrom/* ~/home/dvdfoldernameheremaybe and just burn it on a new flyt
[03:12] <tsume> crimsun: thanks
[03:13] <cyne> libben:  i've used dvdbackup to get the files onto my hard disk, but they are too big for a dvd
[03:13] <libben> then u need a shrinking program.
[03:13] <libben> i have no idea, only used those on windows
[03:13] <libben> like dvdshrink and dvddecrypter to remove the region codes and get it to iso format
[03:22] <libben> crimsun: should i just try this instead?  Kasablanca-0.4.0.2 (Debian Linux): kasablanca_0.4.0.2-1_i386.deb
[03:23] <libben> its on their hp. but how do i know if it has the proper setup?
[03:24] <othernoob> is there a good graphical dvd-authoring program in the repos?
[03:24] <apokryphos> libben: better to compile
[03:24] <apokryphos> though I still don't see why you don't want Konqueror 8)
[03:25] <libben> many reasons, 
[03:25] <libben> =)
[03:25] <apokryphos> like what?
[03:26] <libben> i want app that is designed for its purpose, and to be honest, i use gwenview to look at pictures, and not konq
[03:26] <libben> same thing with ftp
[03:26] <libben> konq == IE in this case
[03:26] <apokryphos> that's a bit of a silly stance
[03:26] <apokryphos> for one, gwenview integrates into Konqueror
[03:27] <apokryphos> and for another, it's simply silly to presuppose that it's not going to work as well because it integrates into Konqueror
[03:27] <apokryphos> Konqueror is a file manager; using FTP is managing files
[03:28] <apokryphos> and of course if you use an app that was solely made for FTP that in no possible way implies that it would be better; kind of a moot point :/
[03:28] <libben> so why arent there a konqueror button in internet section that says ftp (konqueror) then and something like that
[03:28] <apokryphos> so what if there isn't? How does that possibly imply that it isn't a good FTP client
[03:28] <apokryphos> all the kde devs I know of use *only* Konqueror for ftp (or, a lot of them tend to use fish:// too)
[03:29] <apokryphos> the ftp (konqueror) in Internet >, might well be a good idea; may suggest it
[03:30] <libben> what do i need to type to get ftp konq up? 
[03:30] <apokryphos> ftp://username@domainname.com
[03:30] <apokryphos> it's a kioslave
[03:31] <libben> it lacks.
[03:31] <libben> it works
[03:31] <libben> but it lacks
[03:32] <apokryphos> lacks what?
[03:33] <apokryphos> it supports pretty much all the things you'd want to do (and it does it in Konqueror -> big plus). Any chmodding, any file-moving, transferring between servers, file previews etc etc
[03:33] <libben> like a button for disconnecting, dont wanna close the tab for that.
[03:33] <libben> and it dont have multiple transfers it seems
[03:34] <libben> maybe in two tabs and copy between them
[03:34] <kkathman> evening all :)
[03:34] <apokryphos> not entirely sure how an ftp connection session works; not sure why you'd care about disconnecting really. It's like leaving an ssh session open -- do you really care that you're connected?
[03:34] <apokryphos> how does it not support multiple transfers exactly? Of course it does
[03:35] <libben> yeah, i was just mistaking, but when i thought about it.. it should just be like copying between another tab
[03:36] <apokryphos> and you can of course have split panes etc
[03:36] <apokryphos> ftp, but with all the configurability of konqueror =)
[03:38] <libben> if i click keep password
[03:38] <libben> where will it keep it?
[03:38] <apokryphos> depends on whether you're using kwallet or not
[03:38] <libben> im not using it
[03:38] <apokryphos> if you're not, it'd probably just keep it in the same way it'd keep any other things; some type of encryption
[03:39] <kkathman> apokryphos: what about kbear for FTP? i used to use that a while back
[03:40] <apokryphos> I used it when I very first started out (before knowing about Konqueror); it's pretty much development-dead. It's good as it has a few extra options IIRC, but quite simply they're not ones I'd use
[03:40] <apokryphos> Konqueror suffices for all my FTP needs, certainly
[03:40] <apokryphos> there's even sftp:// for the paranoid :D
[03:40] <kkathman> yah I always was looking for one when I was doing my PHP development.. Quanta didnt have one built in :(
[03:41] <apokryphos> but Quanta can appropriately save things if used through the ftp:// protocol, though, no?
[03:41] <apokryphos> I'm sure Kate can; don't remember about Quanta+
[03:41] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to use i8kutils?
[03:42] <kkathman> apokryphos: When I used it under hoary it couldnt I dont think...its why I dropped it and went back to Dreamweaver MX 2004 on Windows
[03:42] <fatejudger> I can't seem to get it working on my Inspiron
[03:42] <apokryphos> kkathman: but wait, what do you mean that it didn't have the ftp built in? You do know you can use kioslaves in pretty much any kde app
[03:42] <kkathman> apokryphos: maybe it was there and I just didnt perceive it
[03:42] <apokryphos> kkathman: so i.e. you can File -> Open, then ftp://username@domain-name
[03:42] <fatejudger> does anyone know of any way to get the volume buttons on my Dell Inspiron 1100 working?
[03:42] <kkathman> apokryphos: well I didnt think you could with Quanta tho
[03:43] <apokryphos> any proper KDE app, yes
[03:43] <kkathman> apokryphos: hmmm.. Maybe I will try that...
[03:44] <fatejudger> why does Linux and laptop have to be so incompatible...
[03:44] <fatejudger> *laptops
[03:44] <apokryphos> kkathman: yes, just tested; saving works perfectly with Quanta. As any kde app, after saving it syncs back with the server
[03:46] <kkathman> so ok..I'm trying now... apokryphos ... just save locally that then file open ftp://username@foo.com  right?
[03:46] <apokryphos> save locally?
[03:46] <apokryphos> but yes, that is the thing to enter in Konqueror
[03:46] <kkathman> seems like you'd also need ftp://username:password@foo.com
[03:46] <apokryphos> nope
[03:46] <apokryphos> a dialogue will come up asking pass etc
[03:47] <kkathman> ahh ok
[03:47] <kkathman> kewl
[03:47] <apokryphos> but anyhow, speaking of Quanta -- it is very nice ;-)
[03:48] <fatejudger> is Quanta like Zend?
[03:48] <apokryphos> I hear they have like 2 developers doing the workload of about 20 people or something :D
[03:48] <kkathman> fatejudger: Quanta is more like a Dreamweaver Lite
[03:48] <apokryphos> (hence it being so dang comprehenesive)
[03:48] <kkathman> Zend is much more function rich...I have that also
[03:48] <fatejudger> I need a Zend-like program
[03:48] <apokryphos> dreamweaver is wysiwyg crap; yuck :D
[03:49] <kkathman> apokryphos: I never wysiwyg with it, but used it because of the features it has for having the MySQL right there and other things
[03:49] <endo6O2> hey what is the best IRC client to use for kubuntu?
[03:49] <kkathman> Zend has that feature too...and they have a Linux version
[03:49] <apokryphos> endo6O2: Konversation is good
[03:50] <endo6O2> better than bitchx
[03:50] <endo6O2> or mirc
[03:50] <apokryphos> kkathman: haven't tried it out extensively ever, so I'm a little ignorant
[03:50] <kkathman> apokryphos: when I call up a proggie...do I file open or save as and put that ftp in?
[03:50] <fatejudger> for some reason "media:/" doesn't show anything
[03:50] <apokryphos> mIRC; ergh -- so ugly
[03:50] <fatejudger> no hard drives
[03:50] <fatejudger> or cdrom drives
[03:50] <kkathman> love mIRC tho apok, sorry :)
[03:50] <pwn3r_> anyone know of an audio player that supports visualizations like milkdrop?
[03:50] <apokryphos> kkathman: little confused; what do you mean?
[03:51] <kkathman> apokryphos: so in Quanta I have a program up (PHP script)... now I want to save it on the webserver...do I file-open, or save-as ?
[03:51] <tsume> telnet is good to IRC with
[03:51] <apokryphos> kkathman: well, if you want to Save it then Save-as....
[03:52] <kkathman> I want to save it on the webserver on the host's site
[03:52] <apokryphos> then Save-as, sure
[03:52] <kkathman> yanno... as if I saved it locally, then FTP'd it up to the web site
[03:52] <kkathman> cuz that doesnt work with ftp on save as
[03:53] <kkathman> it tries to save it on your local machine
[03:53] <apokryphos> kkathman: you have a file opened locally in Quanta, right? 
[03:53] <kkathman> correct
[03:53] <apokryphos> kkathman: so then just Save-as, and in the Location bar hit: ftp://username@domainname.com  and hit <Enter>
[03:54] <kkathman> I did....and it wasnt to save it to my local drive, not the website...it asks to overwrite the local file
[03:54] <kkathman> wants
[03:54] <apokryphos> kkathman: you must be pressing enter when you're not focused on the Location bar or something, then
[03:54] <apokryphos> whoops, Location -> bad use of terminology
[03:55] <apokryphos> I see it calls the bottom part the Location. I mean Location as in the top part (URL location text-box)
[03:55] <endo6O2> how do i sue cpp?
[03:55] <endo6O2> use*
[03:55] <kkathman> ok that worked...wow thats kewl apokryphos ,  thanks for the hint :)
[03:56] <pax> anyone got their ipod nano to work with amaroK, gtkpod or any other app under breezy?
[03:56] <apokryphos> pax: nope, but if you send me one I'll be sure to try it ;-)
[03:56] <kkathman> now if quanta would just show me the MySQL structures :)
[03:56] <apokryphos> pax: it should of course work just fine; are you having problems?
[03:56] <pax> hehe :-)
[03:57] <pax> yeah, apple is just making it more difficult for linux users, greed is what it is
[03:58] <apokryphos> how? I don't think they would
[03:58] <apokryphos> they love our KHTML :D
[03:58] <pax> hehe it mounts fine, but I can't get any app to write to it
[03:58] <libben> played some with a photo of my gf earlier today. saw that gimp had a contest. but it was closed. only realised that when i was half way with my splash. anyway. ot works for me. i need to fix some in the skintones. otherwise its ok. and gimp wasnt so hard to learn, been a ps for a long time. http://hem.passagen.se/standby/gimp-splash.png
[03:58] <pwn3r_> i am getting quite a lot of segmentation faults in my apps. what can cause this?
[03:59] <apokryphos> pax: what's the exact error?
[03:59] <libben> and yes, i played some with some colors in her eys, thats not here real eye color
[03:59] <libben> would be kewl though
[04:01] <judith> ?
[04:02] <pax> apokryphos, nothing relevant mate, just that it can't sync/write to ipod
[04:02] <pax> amaroK simply crashes when It tries to sync
[04:03] <apokryphos> pax: does amarok bring up all the files?
[04:03] <libben> how do i uninstall a program that ive just installed with make install? 
[04:03] <pax> yes it does, it read the database fine
[04:03] <apokryphos> libben: make uninstall
[04:03] <libben> is it by looking at all paths it can have before removing it and hunt hunt hunt to destroy it all?
[04:04] <libben> crimsun: u said it would be a pain in the ***
[04:04] <apokryphos> pax: have you tried (sounds odd, but could be worth trying) doing alt+f2 -> kdesu amarok  ..and then trying
[04:04] <libben> is it with make uninstall?
[04:04] <apokryphos> libben: any good program should make uninstall appropriately, yes
[04:04] <apokryphos> shouldn't be a hassle
[04:05] <libben> so what? type ./configure && make && make uninstall && make install ?
[04:05] <apokryphos> err, what?
[04:05] <pax> apokryphos, ah you're thinking permission issue?
[04:05] <apokryphos> I thought you're tryin gto remove it, not install it
[04:05] <apokryphos> pax: sounds like it, yes
[04:06] <libben> well, crimsun told me it was a pain *** to uninstall something that has been installed with make and make install
[04:06] <libben> sorta of hunting all paths and remove it all by hand
[04:06] <apokryphos> not sure why he'd say that; it isn't
[04:06] <pax> nah, it's more than that. I did it try your suggestion however. this is a known issue with nano, and some dude told me they're working on a patch
[04:06] <apokryphos> oh ok
[04:07] <libben> so what then apokryphos, if i know install my proggie with make and make install
[04:07] <libben> and its all good
[04:07] <libben> and then i wanna remove it
[04:07] <pwn3r_> what can i do to stop my apps from giving me a segmentation fault? 
[04:07] <apokryphos> libben: as I said, make uninstall
[04:07] <libben> yeah, but what
[04:07] <libben> just type make uninstall kasablanca?
[04:08] <apokryphos> err, no. Just make uninstall
[04:08] <apokryphos> with sudo, if it needs it
[04:08] <libben> and it will ask for what to uninstall then ?
[04:08] <apokryphos> geez, what are you talking about
[04:08] <apokryphos> did it ask for what to install when you ran make install?
[04:09] <libben> nope.
[04:09] <libben> but what if i have installed more programs like this, how will it know what to uninstall?
[04:09] <libben> thats my point
[04:10] <apokryphos> I think you're misunderstanding
[04:10] <pax> apokryphos, even if I send you one, I'm sure you will not try to make it work, but rather find away to install breezy on it
[04:10] <apokryphos> say you configure, make and make install something. If you leave the source directory as it is, any good program is set up so that in the source directory there is sufficient information which describes what exactly it installed
[04:11] <judith> I wonder why Kubuntu 5.10 was shipped with gstreamer that does not work!
[04:11] <apokryphos> thus, a make uninstall in that directory works simply by going by that, and uninstalling what it put in
[04:11] <apokryphos> pax: maybe both :D
[04:11] <apokryphos> judith: it does
[04:11] <libben> well, i allways tend to remove the folder that ive compiled from
[04:11] <apokryphos> then no make uninstall
[04:12] <libben> it would be more nice if u could type make uninstall in the installation process so u would get a file that removes everything completly
[04:12] <apokryphos> a bad practicfe, as you can see, of course
[04:15] <libben> why isnt there something like this instead? why do they want to have the compiled folder to be able to make uninstall.. makes really no sense.
[04:16] <libben> the sense is a uninstall file should be created on every compiling. that would make sense
[04:16] <libben> who do i talk about this. =)
[04:18] <libben> so my logic doesnt make sense? 
[04:21] <apokryphos> kpfk: please stop that
[04:22] <kpfk> testing
[04:22] <apokryphos> you're testing that you can change your nick?
[04:22] <apokryphos> Erm, well, you can.
[04:23] <kpfk> nope; just showing a friend irc; I don't use Konversation; this is my first time with it.
[04:23] <apokryphos> ok
[04:23] <kpfk> Hmm; I see that Breezy is released.  How long ago did this happen?
[04:24] <apokryphos> Oct 13
[04:24] <kpfk> Running old hoary here.
[04:24] <kpfk> thnx
[04:24] <wotnarg> *peer* is x-paste disabled in OO.o2?
[04:24] <libben> why not run dapper kpfk  =)
[04:24] <kpfk> and what is dapper?  SUccesssor to Breezy?
[04:24] <libben> next version
[04:25] <apokryphos> erm, you shouldn't run dapper because it's dapper
[04:25] <apokryphos> and also because it's not out yet
[04:25] <wotnarg> erm, is the dapper developement branch even open yet? :P
[04:25] <apokryphos> no
[04:25] <libben> well, its been started on
[04:25] <libben> but repos for public i think not =)
[04:25] <kkathman> back... sorry had some company :)
[04:25] <apokryphos> libben: nope
[04:26] <apokryphos> the developers don't use an alternative repository; they use the same ones
[04:27] <cyne> where do i change my apt-get sources
[04:27] <cyne> ?
[04:27] <wotnarg>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:27] <libben> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:27] <wotnarg> edit the file with a sudo'ed version of some editor
[04:27] <libben> by the way, went thru the INSTALL file apokryphos 
[04:27] <wotnarg> aka sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:27] <libben> and found this
[04:27] <libben> By default, `make install' will install the package's files in `/usr/local/bin', `/usr/local/man', etc.  You can specify an installation prefix other than `/usr/local' by giving `configure' the option `--prefix=PATH'.
[04:28] <libben> i assume its ok to just runt the default settings
[04:28] <libben> cause local is in the path
[04:28] <apokryphos> just go for /usr
[04:28] <libben> but if i wanted it to be in /usr/bin i would just type that prefix in the configure part and MAN part would be in /usr too? instead of local?
[04:29] <apokryphos> --prefix=/usr
[04:29] <libben> aah
[04:29] <libben> i was under the impression i would type /usr/bin  but that would be wrong.
[04:30] <apokryphos> it would be, yes
[04:31] <libben> so it would be ./configure --prefix=/usr
[04:31] <nalioth> apokryphos: seen ridd ell?
[04:31] <libben> and it would be right
[04:32] <nalioth> libben: when you compile most standard source, it usually puts it in /usr/local  (where locally compiled things should go)
[04:32] <apokryphos> nalioth: in here? Not in some time, but I haven't been on here too much today
[04:32] <apokryphos> libben: yes
[04:32] <apokryphos> nalioth: he was active earlier; you could just /query him. He's friendly 8)
[04:32] <libben> so i should let it be in local?
[04:33] <nalioth> apokryphos: you are the op here, i'm just the supplicant (for me and thor)
[04:33] <nalioth> libben: yes, for system stability, always instll your compiled stuff into /usr/local/
[04:33] <libben> k
[04:33] <apokryphos> it really doesn't matter; I only ever use local/ for when I wanna run alternate versions of something
[04:34] <libben> true
[04:34] <libben> sounds like a good habit
[04:34] <libben> think i will adopt that
[04:35] <libben> but the bugging me part is that i need to have the folder where i compiled it from laying around if i wanna uninstall it easily someday
[04:35] <libben> how do i check what paths a deb file is using?
[04:35] <libben> im guessing i can extract it and check what it does sorta.
[04:36] <nalioth> apokryphos: it does matter. if you compile a incompatible version of something and it installs into /usr/bin, you're hosed
[04:37] <libben> whys that ?
[04:37] <apokryphos> then I'd just make uninstall
[04:37] <libben> =)
[04:37] <libben> by having the compiled folder still laying around =)
[04:37] <pwn3r_> I have 2 programs that are giving me segmentation faults. can someone verify if they work for them?
[04:37] <libben> well, i could in "theory" make mkdir compiled
[04:38] <libben> and just never look in that folder =)
[04:38] <libben> untill i need to uninstall
[04:38] <wotnarg> pwn3r_: I'll try em.
[04:38] <libben> is that sort of u do apokryphos ?
[04:38] <pwn3r_> wotnarg, xmms and kdetv
[04:38] <libben> or is it just folders laying all over the system?
[04:38] <pwn3r_> thanks
[04:39] <wotnarg> pwn3r_: Nps, it will be a second until they install.
[04:39] <apokryphos> libben: I have a downloads/ folder for all debs/applications. I leave them there if I've finished them; it's not as if I'm remotely low on space
[04:40] <libben> but say if we would remove the folder then. and wanted to remove/uninstalll/purge it
[04:40] <apokryphos> suffice it to say, the repositories cover 99% of the packs I need
[04:40] <kkathman> hey there pwn3r_ :)
[04:40] <libben> it would be by going onto hunting the paths and remove it manually
[04:40] <pwn3r_> hi kkathman 
[04:41] <kkathman> how do I check to see what the current version of an application is, say within the repos?
[04:42] <cyne> anyone know where i can find dvdrip for kubuntu ?
[04:42] <libben> synaptic or kynaptic or consoel?
[04:42] <apokryphos> kkathman: apt-cache show application; /msg ubotu info application; packages.ubuntu.com
[04:43] <kkathman> thanks apokryphos  :)
[04:43] <jsubl2> kkathman, apt-cache showpkg pkgname
[04:45] <Topslakr> anyone else having a problem with java eating away at the cpu? Uses 95-100%
[04:45] <kpfk> 
[04:45] <kkathman> gee I'd have thought that quanta would have upped its release since hoary :(
[04:46] <libben> checkinstall should be removed from the repos =) evil thing =)
[04:46] <apokryphos> kkathman: surprise! It has
[04:46] <apokryphos> remember that Quanta keeps to the KDE release cycle
[04:46] <apokryphos> (hence 3.4.3 in Breezy)
[04:47] <kkathman> hmm..... I think it was 3.4.3 before...maybe I just kept it up to date :)
[04:47] <kkathman> I did an update just before  I upgraded tho
[04:47] <apokryphos> hoary had kde 3.4.2
[04:47] <kkathman> lol
[04:47] <apokryphos> huuuge change
[04:47] <apokryphos> (not)
[04:48] <kkathman> yah thats what I meant...sorry for the miscommunication
[04:48] <kkathman> I mean...a  dot dot change? lol
[04:48] <libben> cant wait for kde 3.5 be little more stable and enabled in the repos
[04:48] <apokryphos> 3.4.x are bugfix releases
[04:49] <kkathman> libben: yah I dont think we should be promoting 3.5 beta 2..too many buggies esp with the artsd thing
[04:49] <apokryphos> I think 3.5 has been a bit of a letdown overall (so far). There just haven't been that many great things
[04:49] <apokryphos> and it's gonna be the kde you'll be using for about a year :/
[04:49] <libben> havent tried it yet. i want it somewhat stable before trying.
[04:49] <endo6O2> what is tux?
[04:50] <apokryphos> Google
[04:50] <apokryphos> anyhow, I'm off to bed; 'night
[04:51] <kpfk> 
[04:51] <Chameleon22> has anyone here experienced this error: Cannot rename /var/lib/snmp/snmpapp.conf to /var/lib/snmp/snmpapp.0.conf when running a CLI php5 script?
[04:53] <libben> wooohooo. this did not work eiterh
[04:53] <libben> weird!
[04:53] <libben> no kasablanca showing up this time either
[04:53] <libben> and did it with the default values. so it should be located in /usr/local/bin
[04:53] <libben> but its not =)(
[04:53] <kkathman> apokryphos: I would agree .. espec with that beta 2 release :(
[04:54] <kkathman> we really should remove that from the topic :)
[04:54] <libben> hmm
[04:55] <libben> why does it puts it into /usr/local/kde/bin
[04:55] <libben> grrr
[04:55] <libben> i dont wanna add that to my path
[04:55] <libben> btw apokryphos make uninstall in folder worked great
[04:55] <libben> thxs for the tips
[04:57] <pwn3r> wotnarg, hows it coming? :)
[04:59] <pwn3r> could a corrupted library be the cause of segmentations faults?
[04:59] <Topslakr> I'm trying to use the make-jpkg command but it's not found and I can't figure out how to install it..
[05:01] <libben> how can i check all the paths from my compiled app?
[05:01] <libben> cause i cant do the deb trick with dpkg -c
[05:08] <libben> lol
[05:08] <libben> what useless is this
[05:09] <libben> why dont kasablanca shows up in katapult? when it does it in a terminal?
[05:09] <libben> do i need to restart kasablanca?
[05:09] <libben> ment katapult
[05:10] <libben> aah
[05:10] <libben> needed to restart it =)
[05:10] <frank23> what is kasablanca?
[05:10] <libben> ftp app
[05:11] <libben> just compiled it
[05:11] <libben> looks good.
[05:11] <libben> reminds me of fxp for windows
[05:11] <frank23> ok
[05:12] <frank23> libben: did you try kbear?
[05:13] <libben> nope, cause they bashed it abit in here. and raised konq to the skys =) and talked about kasablanca. so i went for kasablanca
[05:13] <libben> allthough kbear's dev is from sweden like me and i know we are leet at coding, so next version he pops im gonna check
[05:14] <frank23> ok, I never tried kbear either. I was just using gftp as a ftp client
[05:14] <dave> ho folks,
[05:14] <libben> i did gftp about 5-6 months ago
[05:15] <libben> frank23: ur on kde i presume
[05:15] <dave> Kubuntu and mounting hard drive (already partitioned with Kubuntu breesy)
[05:15] <frank23> libben: yeah
[05:15] <libben> use kasablanca then, its for kde
[05:19] <nalioth> kftpgrabber
[05:22] <pwn3r> could a corrupted library be the cause of segmentations faults?
[05:30] <wotnarg> pwn3r: crap... it slipped my mind. Do they segfault on startup for you?
[05:30] <pwn3r> yea
[05:30] <pwn3r> dont worry about it
[05:30] <wotnarg> heh
[05:30] <wotnarg> well, they don't for me :/
[05:30] <pwn3r> i have a xubuntu box i tried them on and they work fine there
[05:31] <wotnarg> So, it just your setup. Odd.
[05:31] <pwn3r> thank you
[05:31] <pwn3r> yea thats why i was wondering about the librarys
[05:31] <kkathman> kasablanca?
[05:31] <wotnarg> caused artsd to crash though :p
[05:31] <wotnarg> of course, since I'm using kde3.5b2, almost anything can crash artsd.
[05:32] <pwn3r> heh
[05:38] <kkathman> lol
[05:42] <pwn3r> :)
[05:55] <wotnarg> hrm, does xpengiuns work with kde?
[05:57] <yasser> how do i get the debian menu?
[05:58] <pwn3r> wotnarg, you can send invading penguins across the network! :O
[05:59] <pwn3r> thats the coolest thing i ever heard
[06:00] <wotnarg> heheh
[06:00] <pwn3r> have you tried it?
[06:03] <wotnarg> what, xpenguins?
[06:03] <pwn3r> yea
[06:03] <helpme> i installed kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu...how do i get kubuntu splash??
[06:03] <kkathman> xpenguins???
[06:03] <kkathman> lol
[06:04] <pwn3r> helpme, have you updated and upgraded?
[06:05] <helpme> pwn3r: nope.......why? im on breezy
[06:05] <pwn3r> er i guess you wouldnt need to if you installed the meta package from ubuntu
[06:05] <pwn3r> yea sorry my bad
[06:06] <kkathman> I wonder if anyone is going to fix "Administrator Mode" on the System Settings Menu?
[06:06] <kkathman> Its irritating
[06:07] <pwn3r> i cant get that xpenguins working
[06:08] <helpme> is there any audio player with presets?
[06:08] <seth_k> helpme:
[06:09] <seth_k> sudo dpkg-reconfigure usplash
[06:09] <seth_k> sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.12-9-686
[06:09] <seth_k> to get the kubuntu usplash
[06:09] <wotnarg> pwn3r: same
[06:09] <seth_k> and what do you mean by presets?
[06:09] <helpme> seth_k: thanks...will reconfiguring linux image do any harm?
[06:09] <helpme> seth_k: presets like bass, dance etc..?
[06:10] <seth_k> helpme, nope it's perfectly safe unless you manually tweaked your grub boot config in the AutoMagic part
[06:11] <helpme> seth_k: i did nothing...except changed the titles from ubuntu to kubuntu...is that ok?
[06:11] <seth_k> That's fine, but it's going to remove those changes
[06:11] <seth_k> you'll have to change them again
[06:11] <seth_k> but no real harm
[06:11] <seth_k> helpme, AmaroK has awesome presets in Tools > Equalizer
[06:11] <helpme> seth_k: ok
[06:12] <wotnarg> pwn3r: Pity that we can't send invading penguins over a network :(
[06:12] <helpme> seth_k: yes i just saw them:).......didnt know amoarok had it.....now i'll dump xmms
[06:12] <pwn3r> foiled again! 
[06:14] <wotnarg> ja
[06:14] <pax> muahaha got ipod nano to work with gtkpod :D
[06:15] <helpme> hey konq aint loading any pages...saying unknown host!!
[06:16] <wotnarg> pwn3r: It works! Go to kcontrol, then desktop, then behavoir, then check allow applications in desktop.
[06:17] <helpme> help! neither konq nor firefox will load any pages! behaving as if im offline!!
[06:20] <pwn3r> wotnarg,  great! thanks :)
[06:20] <wotnarg> :)
[06:21] <helpme> help! neither konq nor firefox will load any pages! behaving as if im offline!!
[06:27] <djperegrine> monodevelop takes around 10000  years to load
[06:27] <stbain> helpme: fire up a terminal and try to dig the hostname you're having trouble pulling up. See if it is resolving correctly.
[06:27] <djperegrine> and the loading screen just hangs , doesn't paint
[06:27] <stbain> e.g. dig www.google.com
[06:28] <JeffAMcGee> try visiting http://216.239.37.99/
[06:28] <helpme> ; <<>> DiG 9.3.1 <<>> www.google.com
[06:28] <helpme> ;; global options:  printcmd
[06:28] <helpme> ;; Got answer:
[06:28] <helpme> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 4511
[06:29] <helpme> ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
[06:29] <helpme> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
[06:29] <helpme> ;www.google.com.                        IN      A
[06:29] <helpme> ;; Query time: 5023 msec
[06:29] <helpme> ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)
[06:29] <helpme> ;; WHEN: Sun Oct 23 09:58:33 2005
[06:29] <helpme> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 32
[06:29] <helpme> stbain: sorry
[06:29] <stbain> looks like a DNS problem
[06:30] <stbain> www.google.com should be a CNAME record to www.l.google.com, which then resolves to a number of different IP addresses
[06:30] <frank23> anyone here uses the ksysguard applet having problems after every kde upgrades?
[06:31] <helpme> stbain: this never happened before.....im online but cant see weppage!...jow do i correct this?
[06:31] <stbain> your DNS server is pointed at what looks like your router (192.168.1.1)
[06:31] <stbain> point it somewhere else
[06:31] <stbain> install dnscache and run a local caching DNS server if you have to
[06:32] <frank23> helpme: just find your ISP's DNS server addresses and use those maybe
[06:32] <wotnarg> heh, my router does that too
[06:32] <stbain> mine does as well
[06:32] <wotnarg> I just set a  cron job to overwrite /etc/resolv.conf with another file with a good version every 5 minutes.
[06:32] <stbain> my router thinks us.archives.ubuntu.com is 0.0.33.144
[06:33] <helpme> stbain: how do i find out my isp's dns addresses?
[06:33] <stbain> you can probably get it by looking at the network status on your router
[06:36] <stbain> gotta ru
[06:36] <stbain> n.
[06:36] <stbain> good luck
[06:57] <pwn3r> man i really got to get these nvidia drivers working :(
[07:07] <satafterh> need some help with error while install software
[07:08] <satafterh> warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[07:08] <satafterh>         LANGUAGE = "en_CA:en",
[07:08] <satafterh>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[07:08] <satafterh>         LANG = "en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:10] <amarock> is it true that if i compile kaff from source i can playd dvds & mp3s out of the box!!
[07:18] <satafterh> what does this mean 
[07:24] <amarock> anyone uses kino or something?
[07:33] <fatejudger> does anyone know why nothing shows up in the "Storage Media" selection in Konq?
[07:37] <fatejudger> perhaps someone knows why my openGL screensavers are misaligned?
[07:37] <fatejudger> maybe someone could tell me how to get the volume keys working on a Dell Inspiron 1100?
[07:43] <fatejudger> is anyone even here?
[07:44] <crimsun> yes
[07:44] <crimsun> why?
[07:44] <BlankC> yes.
[07:44] <cyne> hi
[07:44] <crimsun> 109 of us here
[07:44] <crimsun> at least 4 active
[07:49] <seth_k> the openGL screensavers are misaligned b/c you'll need a modeline corresponding to your LCD for whatever resolution they run at
[07:50] <seth_k> and for volume keys, I use a custom xmodmap
[07:53] <fatejudger> I knew that xmodmap had something to do with it
[07:53] <fatejudger> oh damn
[07:53] <fatejudger> now you're away
[07:53] <fatejudger> does anyone else know how to do the xmodmap?
[07:54] <crimsun> get the xev codes when you press the buttons and tie them to an xmodmap config
[07:54] <fatejudger> how do I get the xev codes?
[07:55] <crimsun> start xev, press the key, write down the code
[07:55] <crimsun> you can find guides via a Web search engine
[07:55] <fatejudger> crap how do I shut down xev
[07:55] <fatejudger> it keeps going
[07:55] <fatejudger> I can't tell it to stop
[07:56] <crimsun> press ctrl+c
[07:57] <fatejudger> ok, I have the codes
[07:58] <fatejudger> well
[07:58] <fatejudger> which ones are the codes?
[07:58] <fatejudger> it gives you a bunch of info
[07:58] <fatejudger> there should be a GUI program that does this
[07:59] <crimsun> the one that says keycode
[08:00] <fatejudger> 176, 174, 160
[08:00] <fatejudger> now what do I do with those?
[08:02] <fatejudger> crimsun: hello?
[08:04] <crimsun> fatejudger: hook them up to xmodmap
[08:05] <crimsun> fatejudger: search Google
[08:05] <fatejudger> there is a graphical frontend to xmodmap
[08:05] <fatejudger> called xkeycaps
[08:05] <fatejudger> but it looks old as hell
[08:08] <dsb> why no firefox with a kubuntu?
[08:08] <crimsun> dsb: because konqueror is included by default
[08:08] <dsb> or is kde on a googleOS type of path
[08:09] <crimsun> if you want firefox, just install it via adpet
[08:09] <crimsun> adept^
[08:09] <fatejudger> crimsun: I don't understand where to find a list of available functions to bind the keys to
[08:10] <dsb> well at least this is better than that gnome thing
[08:11] <fatejudger> crimsun: I can only bind the keys to things like delete and escape
[08:11] <crimsun> you can bind them to anything you wish
[08:13] <fatejudger> crimsun: I get that, but how
[08:13] <fatejudger> crimsun: I can't just say "xmodmap -e keycode 160 = VolumeUp"
[08:13] <fatejudger> VolumeUp has to mean something
[08:14] <dsb> is there a display resolution tool in this kubuntu?
[08:14] <fatejudger> yes
[08:14] <fatejudger> right click on the desktop
[08:14] <fatejudger> configure desktop
[08:14] <fatejudger> then click on display
[08:14] <dsb> ok thanks
[08:14] <fatejudger> np
[08:15] <dsb> a higher refresh rate is better, right?
[08:16] <dsb> easier on the eyes?
[08:16] <eriksti> is it possible to use a private dsa key created with puttygen? I have to change its format or something?
[08:18] <fatejudger> dsb: yeah, if you have a CRT monitor
[08:18] <fatejudger> dsb: don't make it too high though
[08:18] <fatejudger> dsb: 85 is good
[08:19] <dsb> I have it at 75, thats as high as I can go at 1280 with my oldass stuff
[08:21] <dsb> wow, I'm impressed how kde is developing
[08:21] <fatejudger> dsb: yeah, KDE is great
[08:22] <Danny|> What exactly are you impressed with? ^^
[08:22] <fatejudger> so is Kubuntu though
[08:22] <dsb> new stuff, ie Im using this Konversation
[08:22] <endo602> i just upgraded to 3.5 kde and now my panels wont pop up
[08:22] <endo602> anyone have this problem as well?
[08:23] <dsb> I saw Krita which looks like gimp, so I had to read up on the faq about it
[08:23] <fatejudger> endo602: which is why I don't make a habit of using betas
[08:23] <fatejudger> endo602: except when it comes to firefox...
[08:23] <fatejudger> which I sure would like to see a regularly updated 3rd party repository for
[08:23] <endo602> hehe
[08:23] <endo602> well
[08:23] <endo602> is there a way
[08:23] <endo602> to downgrade?
[08:23] <dsb> ya, I was a little disappointed that firefox was not included, but no big deal
[08:24] <fatejudger> dsb: you can downloaded super-easily from adept
[08:24] <dsb> thats my next move, look at adept
[08:24] <fatejudger> dsb: adept -> search -> firefox
[08:24] <endo602> can i downgrade?
[08:24] <fatejudger> make sure the get the plastikfox theme
[08:24] <fatejudger> endo602: I don't know
[08:24] <fatejudger> endo602: it should be pretty stable
[08:25] <fatejudger> endo602: I'm surprised you're having problems
[08:25] <fatejudger> endo602: how does 3.5 look btw?
[08:25] <endo602> fine
[08:25] <endo602> the same pretty  much
[08:25] <fatejudger> endo602: better than 3.4.3?
[08:25] <endo602> yeah
[08:25] <fatejudger> endo602: new features?
[08:25] <endo602> but i cant get these panels to work
[08:25] <endo602> it sux
[08:25] <fatejudger> endo602: did they fix that stupid system settings thing?
[08:25] <dsb> adept updater?
[08:25] <fatejudger> where the windows didn't resize properly
[08:25] <fatejudger> dsb: no, just adept
[08:25] <fatejudger> dsb: adept updater is for updating only
[08:25] <dsb> ok where is adept?
[08:26] <fatejudger> dsb: the regular adept does packages and updating
[08:26] <fatejudger> dsb: it should be right above it
[08:26] <endo602> fatejudger
[08:26] <endo602> not sure what you are talking about
[08:26] <endo602> i just got kbuntu
[08:26] <dsb> ok, sorry eyes getting used to new desktop
[08:26] <endo602> i am new to all this
[08:26] <fatejudger> endo602: go into the system settings
[08:26] <fatejudger> endo602: do you know where that is?
[08:26] <endo602> yeah
[08:27] <fatejudger> !repositories
[08:27] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[08:27] <dsb> so is this adept just a kde gui frontend to the apt package manager thing?
[08:27] <endo602> dood
[08:27] <endo602> i cant get my panels working
[08:27] <fatejudger> dsb: yeah, basically
[08:28] <RootedX> Anyone know why my Mouse would stop working when i switch from one computer to another with a KVM switch?
[08:28] <RootedX> i dont get this issue with Debian, but had similar issue with mandrake except it was my keyboard that stoped responding in mdk.
[08:31] <dsb> should I do a 'full upgrade' on the adept
[08:31] <kkathman> anyone around?
[08:31] <fatejudger> dsb: yeah
[08:31] <fatejudger> kkathman: I am
[08:31] <kkathman> dsb: are you on breezy?
[08:31] <kkathman> hey fatejudger :)
[08:31] <dsb> yes, just installed the iso
[08:31] <fatejudger> kkathman: hey
[08:32] <kkathman> dsb:  Ok, did you install ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[08:32] <dsb> I erased ubuntu to install kunbuntu
[08:32] <fatejudger> kkathman: you wouldn't happen to be able to fix one of my 3 problems with my laptop would you?
[08:32] <fatejudger> actually 4
[08:32] <endo602> damn these panels
[08:32] <endo602> they better fix these
[08:32] <kkathman> Im not sure fatejudger, what seems to be the problem?
[08:32] <dsb> that gnome was no good for me
[08:33] <fatejudger> kkathman: well "media:/" doesn't work in Konqueror
[08:33] <kkathman> dsb all you needed to do was just load kubuntu-desktop on top...and it would have been best
[08:33] <fatejudger> kkathman: I can't play mp3s or wmv files using any media player
[08:33] <kkathman> fatejudger: it should be fine
[08:33] <fatejudger> kkathman: what should be fine?
[08:34] <dsb> its an extra hard drive so Ive been playing around with different distros and their installs
[08:34] <kkathman> dsb anyway you installed kubuntu then
[08:34] <eriksti> fatejudger: /media ?
[08:34] <fatejudger> kkathman: I can't get my volume keys on my laptop to work
[08:34] <dsb> I have kubuntu now
[08:34] <kkathman> dsb probably all you need to do is sudo apt-get install adept at a console
[08:34] <fatejudger> eriksti: no, the konqueror sudocommand
[08:34] <endo602> kkathman: know what is up with kde3.5 and the panels acting up
[08:34] <fatejudger> eriksti: "media:/"
[08:34] <kkathman> fatejudger: yah I hear thats an ongoing issue right now with KDE
[08:35] <fatejudger> kkathman: what?
[08:35] <fatejudger> kkathman: the media thing?
[08:35] <kkathman> wont work on a laptop or on a keyboard that has the multimedia keys
[08:35] <fatejudger> kkathman: oh
[08:35] <endo602> is there a way to refresh the desktop
[08:35] <endo602> ?
[08:35] <fatejudger> kkathman: well I'm supposed to be able to bind the keys to the volume using xmodmap
[08:35] <fatejudger> kkathman: but I don't know how to do that
[08:35] <kkathman> endo602:  do you have the beta2?
[08:35] <endo602> yeah
[08:36] <kkathman> yah fatejudger I think there have been a half dozen or more people reporting the same thing
[08:36] <kkathman> but I thought I heard that was being worked out
[08:36] <kkathman> Im not sure
[08:36] <kkathman> endo602: yah..there are LOTS of bugs in the beta2
[08:36] <endo602> kkathman: is there a way to downgrade?
[08:36] <kkathman> artsd doesnt work in beta2, the panels are weird
[08:37] <kkathman> endo602: I have heard that there is, but I hear its painful and I dont know the procedure
[08:37] <endo602> kkathman: damn
[08:37] <fatejudger> kkathman: maybe you could help me out with one of my other problems
[08:37] <kkathman> yah they really let the beta2 out WAY too soon
[08:37] <fatejudger> kkathman: if I can't do the "media:/" thing I can't check my HD space
[08:37] <endo602> kkathman: konquerer is all messed up too
[08:38] <endo602> kkathman: is there a way to refresh the desktop?
[08:39] <kkathman> fatejudger: did you try df in the konsole?
[08:39] <fatejudger> endo602: right click -> refresh desktop
[08:39] <fatejudger> kkathman: df?
[08:39] <kkathman> endo602: not sure what you mean "refresh"...you can ctrl-alt-backspace and that should restart X
[08:39] <kkathman> fatejudger: yes df
[08:40] <fatejudger> kkathman: damn, it says I've used up 30% of my HD
[08:40] <fatejudger> kkathman: and I only have 7 gigs...
[08:40] <fatejudger> kkathman: the rest went to stupid Windows
[08:40] <kkathman> hmm...
[08:40] <kkathman> you are using dual boot?
[08:40] <fatejudger> yeah
[08:40] <kkathman> ahh ok
[08:40] <kkathman> yah I did that once
[08:40] <fatejudger> well this is my laptop
[08:40] <fatejudger> and I need to play LAN party games on it
[08:41] <fatejudger> using network support
[08:41] <fatejudger> and you can't do that with cedega
[08:41] <fatejudger> which sucks
[08:41] <dsb> ah man, finally found the anti-aliasing, thats what was killin my eyes
[08:41] <kkathman> what I did was before I loaded Linux, I used Partition Magic to clear and partition the space, then installed LInux
[08:41] <fatejudger> ooh, a risk taker
[08:41] <kkathman> fatejudger: did you try crossover or wine?
[08:41] <fatejudger> Cedega
[08:41] <fatejudger> Cedega is the directx one that allows you to play games with directx support
[08:41] <kkathman> ahh ok
[08:42] <fatejudger> by it doesn't support network stuff
[08:42] <fatejudger> *but
[08:42] <dsb> just buy extra hard drives, they are cheap
[08:42] <fatejudger> like Age of Empires II
[08:42] <fatejudger> Microsoft uses the proprietary protocols
[08:42] <kkathman> I have two boxes personally, one is a winbox and then I have actually 3 linux boxes
[08:42] <fatejudger> dsb: I have a laptop, not a desktop
[08:42] <kkathman> but 1 primary linux  and  1 windows
[08:42] <dsb> well laptops, ok
[08:42] <fatejudger> kkathman: dual boots are great
[08:43] <endo602> kkathman: hmmm
[08:43] <dsb> but I have one box, but many hard drives with a removable enclosure so I can swap out
[08:43] <endo602> kkathman: no worries ill wiat until new beta is out
[08:43] <fatejudger> kkathman: so how about that media:/ thing?
[08:44] <kkathman> endo602:  you might ask apokryphos , crimsun or one of the heavies that could walk you through uninstalling the beta
[08:44] <kkathman> fatejudger: Im sorry what was the media:/ thing again?
[08:45] <endo602> kkathman: thanks man
[08:45] <fatejudger> kkathman: you know, in konqueror
[08:45] <fatejudger> kkathman: system -> storage media
[08:45] <fatejudger> click on the computer on the kicker
[08:45] <fatejudger> and click storage media
[08:45] <dsb> gcc not included?
[08:45] <dsb> but python is!
[08:46] <dsb> hmm perl, lets check
[08:46] <kkathman> fatejudger: ok and whats wrong?
[08:46] <fatejudger> kkathman: nothing shows up
[08:46] <fatejudger> kkathman: does anything show up for you?
[08:46] <kkathman> fatejudger: well i get stuff on mine
[08:46] <fatejudger> well this is frustrating
[08:47] <fatejudger> I have stuff on my desktop too
[08:47] <kkathman> I just launch Konq, hit F9, and choose ROOT
[08:47] <fatejudger> but on my laptop, I get nothing
[08:47] <kkathman> then click on media
[08:47] <dsb> probably a good idea not to include gcc
[08:47] <fatejudger> yeah but that doesn't give you the niceness of media:/
[08:47] <kkathman> dsb yeah its a good idea :)
[08:47] <fatejudger> with the detailed graphs of space
[08:47] <fatejudger> and nice little clicky icons
[08:47] <fatejudger> and the mount options for those of us with NTFS partitions
[08:48] <fatejudger> it just doesn't stack up
[08:48] <fatejudger> or is it measure up
[08:48] <fatejudger> besides, I want to see my root partition as well
[08:48] <kkathman> fatejudger: so you are saying the Konq isnt the right tool for you then?
[08:48] <fatejudger> kkathman: no, I'm saying that the "media:/" thing works on my desktop, but not on my laptop
[08:48] <kkathman> I see all my drives and remote connections under media
[08:48] <fatejudger> kkathman: and I want it to work on my laptop
[08:49] <kkathman> ohhhhh not on your laptop
[08:49] <fatejudger> "/media" or "media:/"?
[08:49] <kkathman> just /media
[08:49] <kkathman> at least for me
[08:49] <endo602> i get a media:/sba1 error with my USB plugged in
[08:50] <endo602> but that is a known bug
[08:50] <kkathman> I dunno, but I wonder if you have some corrupted space?
[08:50] <kkathman> yep that is a known bug
[08:50] <fatejudger> kkathman: try typing in "media:/"
[08:50] <fatejudger> and tell me if you see anything
[08:51] <kkathman> ok
[08:51] <kkathman> that doesnt work
[08:52] <fatejudger> kkathman: damn, you know what it must be
[08:52] <fatejudger> kkathman: a bug in the new build of KDE
[08:52] <fatejudger> this blows
[08:52] <dsb> why didnt it recognized my hde?
[08:52] <kkathman> I am on 3.4.3
[08:52] <fatejudger> kkathman: same here
[08:52] <kkathman> not the new 3.5
[08:52] <fatejudger> kkathman: did you upgrade from universe?
[08:52] <kkathman> but when I just go to Konq and type /media   I get everything
[08:53] <kkathman> fatejudger: I changed the repos per the BreezyUpgradeNotes and did the update and dist-upgrade
[08:53] <kkathman> but I had a previous version of Hoary
[08:54] <kkathman> and I had installed Hoary clean, then installed kubuntu-desktop
[08:54] <kkathman> alot of people didnt make sure they had a complete ubuntu core before upgrading
[08:55] <kkathman> I made sure I did the pre-upgrade steps
[08:55] <fatejudger> kkathman: well I installed the Breezy CD
[08:55] <fatejudger> kkathman: and then upgraded
[08:55] <fatejudger> kkathman: I think it's this build 5
[08:55] <kkathman> upgraded what?
[08:55] <fatejudger> kkathman: I think someone made a mistake and messed it up
[08:55] <kkathman> KDE?
[08:55] <fatejudger> kkathman: I enable the universe repos and did a full upgrade
[08:55] <fatejudger> *enabled
[08:56] <kkathman> fatejudger: my repos have main universe multiverse restricted
[08:56] <kkathman> so they were enabled I guess
[08:58] <dsb> ok a couple problems right off the bat
[08:59] <dsb> unbuntu-artwork not found
[08:59] <dsb> my resolution settings didnt keep
[09:00] <kkathman> Im off to bed...its late...cyall tomorrow :)
[09:01] <fatejudger> kkathman: cya
[09:02] <crimsun> dsb: typo
[09:02] <crimsun> dsb: note your extraneous 'n'
[09:03] <fatejudger> crimsun: can you tell me how to do that keybinding thing?
[09:03] <fatejudger> crimsun: I don't know what to bind the volume keys to
[09:05] <dsb> thats my typo, I installed ubuntu-artwork with adept, but firefox doesnt find it
[09:06] <crimsun> fatejudger: is hotkeys not configured for you?
[09:06] <fatejudger> crimsun: hotkeys?
[09:06] <fatejudger> crimsun: I have no idea how to do any of this
[09:06] <fatejudger> crimsun: I only know what the key numbers are
[09:07] <fatejudger> crimsun: and google hasn't been very helpful
[09:07] <crimsun> fatejudger: dpkg -l hotkey-setup|grep ^ii
[09:08] <fatejudger> crimsun: is ksysguard working for you?
[09:09] <fatejudger> output: "ii  hotkey-setup   0.1-9ubuntu2   auto-configures laptop hotkeys"
[09:09] <crimsun> fatejudger: I use GNOME and Xfce generally. KDE doesn't see much action unless there's a sound issue to be debugged.
[09:10] <crimsun> fatejudger: have you tried the hotkeys package?
[09:12] <fatejudger> crimsun: no I haven't
[09:12] <fatejudger> crimsun: is that a GUI thing?
[09:13] <fatejudger> crimsun: what is my keyboard type?
[09:13] <fatejudger> crimsun: hotkeys wants to know
[09:14] <crimsun> I have no idea what type of keyboard -you- use
[09:14] <fatejudger> crimsun: well I have a Dell Inspiron 1100
[09:14] <fatejudger> crimsun: how would I go about finding out?
[09:14] <crimsun> did you read the instructions or readme in /usr/share/doc/hotkeys/* ?
[09:16] <fatejudger> crimsun: I found a package called hotkey-setup which is supposed to autodetect your laptop hardware
[09:16] <fatejudger> crimsun: I don't know how to run it though
[09:16] <crimsun> fatejudger: that's installed by default
[09:16] <crimsun> fatejudger: you don't run it
[09:17] <fatejudger> crimsun: well none of my keyboards appear in this list
[09:17] <crimsun> what are the options?
[09:17] <fatejudger> crimsun: I did "hotkeys -l"
[09:17] <fatejudger> crimsun: a bunch of keyboards that aren't from Dell
[09:17] <crimsun> like...?
[09:18] <fatejudger> pastebin?
[09:19] <crimsun> sure
[09:19] <fatejudger> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/402690
[09:22] <fatejudger> crimsun: why isn't this functionality built into KDE?
[09:22] <crimsun> probably a design issue
[09:23] <crimsun> doesn't belong in KDE, really
[09:23] <crimsun> X.Org should take care of it
[09:23] <fatejudger> why?
[09:23] <fatejudger> well that's kind of silly
[09:23] <fatejudger> there needs to be some kind of GUI thing to take care of it
[09:23] <crimsun> it's not silly at all
[09:23] <fatejudger> isn't that how Windows does it?
[09:23] <fatejudger> no, they have keyboard drivers right?
[09:23] <crimsun> no one said Windows takes home awards for good software engineering, either
[09:24] <fatejudger> lol
[09:24] <fatejudger> no, if they did I wouldn't be using Linux
[09:24] <crimsun> good software engineering doesn't necessarily imply good usability, either
[09:24] <fatejudger> true true
[09:24] <crimsun> the keycodes are handled by X.Org, as they should be
[09:24] <crimsun> KDE should have nothing to do with that beyond configuration
[09:24] <fatejudger> so how exactly do I get this thing working with those keyboards?
[09:24] <crimsun> detection? no. Configuration? perhaps.
[09:25] <fatejudger> configuration, yes
[09:25] <crimsun> I trust you looked on the Web for your model, say on linux-laptop.net?
[09:25] <fatejudger> I went to linux-laptop.net, but they have no Ubuntu guides for the 1100
[09:27] <fatejudger> I thought all I needed were those keycodes
[09:27] <fatejudger> and then I could bind them to the functions
[09:28] <andrzej> #ubuntu.pl new irc kanal!! For Poland:P
[09:30] <fatejudger> crimsun: you there?
[09:30] <crimsun> how thoroughly did you search the Web?
[09:31] <crimsun> I'm busy atm
[09:31] <crimsun> http://cs-people.bu.edu/dbera/dell/mdk10.1.html 
[09:31] <crimsun> first search return
[09:31] <fatejudger> what did you search for?
[09:31] <crimsun> dell inspiron 1100 xmodmap
[09:31] <fatejudger> oh
[09:31] <fatejudger> instead of xmodmap
[09:31] <fatejudger> I said volume keys
[09:31] <fatejudger> that must be why
[09:32] <fatejudger> crimsun: this won't work
[09:32] <fatejudger> crimsun: this is XFree
[09:32] <berkes> anyone awake who wants to help me get my sound system right? 
[09:32] <berkes> I ubgraded to breezy and suddenly there is no sound anymore. Maybe i missed a package or so.
[09:32] <fatejudger> crimsun: I need the XOrg functions
[09:32] <fatejudger> berkes: try finding an error first
[09:32] <crimsun> fatejudger: the keycodes don't change
[09:33] <fatejudger> crimsun: XF86AudioMute
[09:33] <crimsun> that's not the important part, the section right underneath that is.
[09:34] <berkes> fatejudger: there were no errors other then gstreamer and arts complainging they had no access to the alsasink. I fixed that I think
[09:34] <fatejudger> crimsun: how is the part below it important?
[09:34] <berkes> IMO its a bad choice to go for gstreamer as default. Since kde cannot deal with it.
[09:34] <crimsun> it gives the keycodes
[09:34] <crimsun> also see http://people.debian.org/~dz/i8k/00-README
[09:35] <crimsun> all the hard work has already been done for you
[09:35] <berkes> fatejudger: any hints were I should look for more errors?
[09:35] <crimsun> berkes: lspci -v|grep -i audio
[09:35] <berkes> note that in HOARY it all worked.
[09:36] <fatejudger> crimsun: I've already seen that
[09:36] <chimaera> the usplash image looks like the screen doesn't have enough colors, is there a boot-parameter or something to change this?
[09:36] <berkes> crimsun: that gives nothing strange.
[09:36] <fatejudger> crimsun: what I need are the functions for volume up and down
[09:36] <fatejudger> crimsun: where can I find those?
[09:36] <crimsun> fatejudger: I think you have fairly good Google skills
[09:36] <fatejudger> crimsun: XOrg you said?
[09:38] <fatejudger> crimsun: I can't find it
[09:38] <fatejudger> crimsun: can you at least give me something to search for?
[09:39] <crimsun> you have all the keywords already
[09:39] <crimsun> berkes: that doesn't help -me-
[09:39] <crimsun> I asked because I want the output
[09:39] <berkes> crimsun: no. Sorry. ah. ok
[09:39] <berkes> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound   Controller (rev a0) crimsun
[09:40] <crimsun> berkes: and the output from ''cat /proc/asound/cards''?
[09:40] <berkes> 0 [SI7012         ] : ICH - SiS SI7012
[09:40] <berkes>                      SiS SI7012 with CMI9739 at 0xdc00, irq 18
[09:40] <berkes> 1 [UART           ] : MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART
[09:40] <berkes>                      MPU-401 UART at 0x330, irq 5
[09:41] <berkes> ive got a feeling its somewhere higher up in the chain where the problem occurs. On the level of Alsa or Gstreamer and Arts
[09:41] <crimsun> and the output from ''amixer''?
[09:41] <crimsun> ->pastebin
[09:42] <berkes> sure
[09:42] <stevec> hi
[09:42] <unsurreal> hi
[09:42] <stevec> what is this?
[09:42] <unsurreal> ?
[09:42] <unsurreal> #kubuntu
[09:42] <stevec> first time i'm here
[09:42] <stevec> kul
[09:42] <unsurreal> a deritive of ubuntu
[09:42] <unsurreal> linux
[09:43] <stevec> how did i get here?
[09:43] <unsurreal> drunk yet?
[09:43] <berkes> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3497 crimsun
[09:43] <stevec> i have no clue
[09:43] <stevec> did i?
[09:43] <crimsun> konversation autojoins this channel
[09:43] <nalioth> stevec: if you use ubuntu, your irc client is set to bring you here
[09:43] <crimsun> on kubuntu
[09:43] <unsurreal> why yes
[09:43] <stevec> o, i see
[09:43] <stevec> maybe
[09:44] <stevec> i'm a fresh bird of ubuntu
[09:44] <stevec> and linux too
[09:44] <crimsun> berkes: well that's not really a surprise. Your PCM volume is set to 0.
[09:44] <stevec> what is PCM?
[09:44] <berkes> strange. but I saw it too :p
[09:44] <stevec> set it to what?
[09:44] <crimsun> berkes: furthermore, you need to mute 'IEC958' and 'IEC958 Capture Valid'
[09:45] <berkes> crimsun: odd that the upgrade borked -that- though
[09:45] <crimsun> berkes: it's a known issue. #15585.
[09:45] <berkes> crimsun: ah. ok
[09:45] <crimsun> actually mute anything with IEC958.
[09:46] <crimsun> let me know if those changes resolve your issue
[09:46] <fatejudger> crimsun: ok, I found KDE has this thing called KDE hotkeys
[09:46] <fatejudger> crimsun: but it doesn't
[09:46] <fatejudger> crimsun: work
[09:46] <fatejudger> crimsun: I try pressing FN + Volume Up
[09:46] <fatejudger> crimsun: and nothing shows up
[09:46] <stevec> is it posible that i create my own chat server?
[09:47] <unsurreal> yes
[09:47] <Foodcoman> Greets.
[09:47] <stevec> cul
[09:47] <stevec> how then
[09:47] <berkes> w000t, it did :)
[09:47] <unsurreal> http://www.unrealircd.com/
[09:47] <berkes> crimsun: youre my hero. 
[09:48] <stevec> thanks
[09:48] <stevec> i will be there and check out
[09:48] <crimsun> berkes: np
[09:48] <Foodcoman> Anyone have a link for Nvidia howto with Breezy?  Having troubles.
[09:48] <crimsun> Foodcoman: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:49] <Foodcoman> Gracias.
[09:49] <crimsun> de nada
[09:49] <stevec> then  i will be back with somequestions then, (:
[09:49] <fatejudger> crimsun: I can't believe nobody has any documentation on this
[09:49] <crimsun> fatejudger: I'm not familiar with KDE hotkeys, sorry
[09:50] <stevec> by the way
[09:51] <stevec> how do i know whom i'm talking with
[09:51] <fatejudger> crimsun: can you at least point me to the XOrg functions?
[09:51] <fatejudger> crimsun: I can't find any of them
[09:51] <fatejudger> crimsun: I've tried everything in google
[09:52] <stevec> and who i'm trying to talk with
[09:52] <Foodcoman> Restarting X crimsun!   =)
[09:54] <crimsun> fatejudger: those -are- the X.Org functions
[09:55] <crimsun> remember that X.Org's fork was largely licensing, not significant underlying structure
[09:55] <fatejudger> crimsun: oh okay
[09:55] <fatejudger> let me try then
[09:55] <unsurreal> stevecc
[09:55] <unsurreal> read up on hoiw to use irc
[09:55] <unsurreal> google it
[09:57] <Foodcoman> crimsun: Worked like a charm.
[09:57] <crimsun> Foodcoman: excellent.
[09:57] <Foodcoman> Cant hardly read fonts in Vega Strike, but at least I am accelerated.  =)
[09:58] <fatejudger> crimsun: omg, I love you!
[09:58] <fatejudger> crimsun: it works!
[09:59] <fatejudger> crimsun: now what was that program that read the keypresses?
[09:59] <fatejudger> xev
[09:59] <crimsun> yep
[10:03] <fatejudger> uh oh, I just pressed the wrong button
[10:03] <fatejudger> I pressed this button CRT/LCD on my keyboard
[10:03] <fatejudger> and now my screen has this purpley line on top
[10:03] <fatejudger> this can't be good
[10:03] <fatejudger> I'm gonna restart kdm
[10:04] <crimsun> you may not have to
[10:04] <crimsun> ...or you could
[10:05] <fatejudger> well that was semi-amusing
[10:05] <fatejudger> I was running that xev thing to see what keys I could assign
[10:05] <fatejudger> and it mesed up
[10:05] <fatejudger> *messed up
[10:06] <fatejudger> crimsun: do you know of any list where I can see all of those functions for XOrg?
[10:06] <crimsun> it'd be in the X.Org source code
[10:06] <crimsun> look in the xkb section
[10:06] <fatejudger> crimsun: do I have that?
[10:06] <fatejudger> crimsun: or is it a package
[10:06] <crimsun> you can install it via Adept
[10:06] <crimsun> or you can just browse cvsweb
[10:08] <fatejudger> crimsun: I don't see it in adept
[10:08] <fatejudger> crimsun: and I have all of the repos
[10:09] <crimsun> fatejudger: then browse its cvsweb
[10:09] <fatejudger> crimsun: ok
[10:10] <fatejudger> crimsun: can I tie the keys to actual commands?
[10:10] <fatejudger> crimsun: like my print screen key
[10:10] <crimsun> you can remap virtually anything
[10:10] <fatejudger> yeah but how do I tie it to a command instead of a XOrg function?
[10:13] <fatejudger> can I say "xmodmap -e "keynumber 112 = ksnapshot"?
[10:14] <fatejudger> and will that open up ksnapshot when I press it?
[10:16] <crimsun> no
[10:16] <crimsun> xmodmap only understands internal codes and functions
[10:16] <fatejudger> crimsun: how would I go about doing that since I'm sure there isn't a XOrg function for that
[10:16] <crimsun> you probably want a program called xke
[10:17] <fatejudger> xke?
[10:17] <crimsun> http://www.ltn.lv/~aivils/eng-projects.html
[10:22] <fatejudger> I can't get Amarok to play my music for some reason
[10:22] <fatejudger> I tried gstreamer and xine
[10:22] <fatejudger> none of which work
[10:22] <fatejudger> I've tried the different sinks in gstreamer
[10:22] <fatejudger> and alsa and artsd in xine
[10:23] <fatejudger> hmm
[10:23] <fatejudger> I think I might have figured it out already
[10:23] <fatejudger> lol
[10:24] <fatejudger> crimsun: umm, are these keyboard codes not loaded when you restart KDE?
[10:25] <crimsun> fatejudger: they're not reloaded if you've modified them, no.
[10:25] <fatejudger> crimsun: no I mean when I had to restart KDE after that purple screen accident it didn't save the changes
[10:26] <fatejudger> crimsun: I can't change the volume again
[10:26] <crimsun> fatejudger: that's what I just said
[10:26] <chimaera> anyone has amrok working with gst? here says playing but it just sits there doing nothing..
[10:26] <crimsun> chimaera: I do.
[10:27] <crimsun> I configured arts to release the sound device after 2 idle seconds, and I installed amarok-gstreamer. I use alsasink in amarok's engine preferences for gstreamer.
[10:27] <fatejudger> crimsun: how do I set them permanently?
[10:27] <chimaera> crimsun: libxine works, but gst is playing neither ogg nor mp3. i just get some strange gst-engine msg in the status-bar which i'm unable to retrieve.
[10:27] <crimsun> fatejudger: put them in a ~/.Xmodmap, and xmodmap -merge ~/.Xmodmap whenever you start KDE
[10:28] <fatejudger> crimsun: I understand that you can start scripts in the "Autostart" folder in .kde or something
[10:28] <crimsun> chimaera: if you use the gstreamer engine, you need the gstreamer0.8-mad installed
[10:28] <fatejudger> crimsun: how do I write a script to do that so I can xmodmap -merge
[10:28] <crimsun> fatejudger: lots of examples online...
[10:29] <crimsun> it's basically two lines
[10:29] <chimaera> crimsun: well, ogg isn't workin gas well..  besides that gst.mad is installed ;)
[10:29] <crimsun> #! /bin/sh
[10:29] <crimsun> xmodmap -merge ~/.Xmodmap
[10:29] <fatejudger> and I have to make it executable
[10:29] <crimsun> yes
[10:29] <fatejudger> what if I wanted to mount a drive using that same technique
[10:29] <fatejudger> say
[10:30] <fatejudger> mount //computername/foldername /media/folder
[10:30] <crimsun> fatejudger: I'm pretty sure KDE has a mechanism to mount volumes
[10:30] <fatejudger> but I need root
[10:30] <fatejudger> crimsun: not network volumes
[10:30] <crimsun> smb://stuff ?
[10:30] <mornfall> wibble
[10:31] <mornfall> if anyone has comments wrt adept 2.0 direct them at me@mornfall.net, if you have (feature) wishes, bugs.kde.org, thanks =)
[10:31] <fatejudger> crimsun: yes
[10:32] <fatejudger> crimsun: is ~/.Xmodmap a file or a folder?
[10:32] <crimsun> it's a file.
[10:32] <crimsun> chimaera: what about gstreamer0.8-vorbis
[10:33] <fatejudger> that package is supposed to be installed by default crimsun
[10:34] <chimaera> crimsun: also installed. 
[10:35] <crimsun> chimaera: does it work with gst-launch-0.8?
[10:38] <chimaera> crimsun: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/1417
[10:38] <fatejudger> crimsun: mounting network folders requires root priviledges
[10:39] <fatejudger> crimsun: how do I get root prividges with the mounting command without manually typing my password into the startup file
[10:39] <fatejudger> crimsun: which would be extremely insecure
[10:39] <crimsun> fatejudger: look at sudoers
[10:40] <crimsun> you'll need to use visudo to modify it so that mount is in the NOPASSWD category
[10:40] <crimsun> it should be the only one in the NOPASSWD category for you
[10:41] <fatejudger> crimsun: visudo?
[10:41] <fatejudger> crimsun: how do I do all of this?
[10:41] <crimsun> you need to read some man pages :-)
[10:41] <crimsun> I have to head home from work now.
[10:42] <fatejudger> crimsun: you were at work this whole time??
[10:42] <fatejudger> crimsun: talking with everyone on IRC?
[10:42] <asraniel> i just ripped a CD with konqueror, it tells me that the mp3 file has a length of 30 minutes, but in fact its only 5 minutes long or so, someone else has this bug?
[10:43] <chimaera> i take it that kubuntu doesn't use dmix by default?
[10:43] <crimsun> fatejudger: yes, watching my research compile away
[10:43] <fatejudger> chimaera: no, it doesn't
[10:43] <fatejudger> crimsun: your research?
[10:43] <crimsun> chimaera: yes, it does.
[10:44] <crimsun> fatejudger: yes, my research. I do grid computing research with Globus and Condor.
[10:44] <fatejudger> crimsun: never heard of them
[10:45] <fatejudger> crimsun: grid computer, is that like distributed computing?
[10:45] <fatejudger> *computing
[10:45] <crimsun> globus.org, cs.wisc.edu/condor
[10:45] <crimsun> yes, it's related to distributed computing
[10:45] <fatejudger> ohhh
[10:45] <fatejudger> SETI@home
[10:45] <fatejudger> right?
[10:46] <crimsun> seti/boinc is just one particular application using the distributed/grid paradigms
[10:46] <fatejudger> yeah, but that's the type of stuff you design right?
[10:46] <crimsun> not really
[10:46] <fatejudger> but that's the technique you use
[10:46] <chimaera> crimsun: ok, fixed. i had to set the device to "plug-dmix"
[10:46] <fatejudger> grid computing
[10:46] <spiral> hi
[10:46] <chimaera> crimsun: thanks for your help.
[10:47] <crimsun> chimaera: np
[10:47] <crimsun> fatejudger: there are many different techniques
[10:47] <crimsun> my thesis was and dissertation is on remote compilation and security issues
[10:48] <fatejudger> crimsun: sounds complicated and fancy
[10:48] <fatejudger> crimsun: do you use C++ or something?
[10:48] <fatejudger> crimsun: it has to be some really efficient language
[10:48] <crimsun> C and Java, some Python
[10:48] <fatejudger> Java?
[10:48] <fatejudger> that's surprising
[10:48] <crimsun> not at all surprising
[10:48] <crimsun> Globus has a very strong Java base
[10:48] <fatejudger> I'm going to try and learn Ruby tonight
[10:49] <fatejudger> C++ frustrates me
[10:49] <crimsun> C++ is easy to learn but very difficult to master
[10:49] <fatejudger> something like that
[10:49] <crimsun> perhaps no more so than any other language
[10:49] <fatejudger> I've only taken 2 semesters of it
[10:49] <fatejudger> so I'm not that good
[10:49] <fatejudger> I just started using QT
[10:50] <crimsun> Qt is very elegant imo
[10:50] <fatejudger> it's beautiful
[10:50] <fatejudger> sockets
[10:50] <fatejudger> and signals
[10:50] <crimsun> (I probably shouldn't say that since I'm involved with Ubuntu ;-)
[10:50] <fatejudger> lol
[10:50] <chimaera> crimsun: one thing to fix, though: how to set teh audio-dev for kaffeine?
[10:50] <fatejudger> crimsun: why aren't you a KDE person then?
[10:50] <fatejudger> crimsun: most of the C++ QT camp go over there
[10:50] <fatejudger> crimsun: it's so much better than C + GTK
[10:51] <crimsun> fatejudger: the GNOME aesthetic appeals more 
[10:51] <fatejudger> eww
[10:51] <crimsun> chimaera: kaffeine-xine or kaffeine-gstreamer?
[10:51] <fatejudger> I don't think the two words belong together
[10:51] <fatejudger> Gnome and aesthetic
[10:51] <crimsun> fatejudger: difference of opinion. Always.
[10:51] <fatejudger> I'd rather use Fluxbox than gnome
[10:51] <fatejudger> but that's my opinion
[10:51] <fatejudger> I love elegant code and graphics
[10:52] <crimsun> I used fluxbox for about a year and blackbox for years before that.
[10:52] <fatejudger> that's why there are tons of DEs
[10:52] <fatejudger> a DE for every person
[10:52] <crimsun> exactly. Same with widget kits.
[10:52] <crimsun> if I may be so crude to pigeonhole Qt into that.
[10:52] <chimaera> crimsun: kaffein-gst..
[10:53] <crimsun> chimaera: should be able to set that in the preferences
[10:53] <fatejudger> crimsun: all visudo does is check for other files
[10:53] <fatejudger> crimsun: I don't understand how it works
[10:53] <chimaera> crimsun: no, i can only select the sink..
[10:54] <fatejudger> crimsun: I thought you'd tell it which files to give root to
[10:54] <crimsun> chimaera: selecting alsasink is sufficient, since ALSA is dmixed by default.
[10:54] <crimsun> visudo is the conffile
[10:54] <fatejudger> oh geez, you guys are doing dmixing?
[10:54] <chimaera> crimsun: which doesn't work here, obviously. i have to set the device to plug_dmix..
[10:54] <fatejudger> I wanted to do that for awhile to make my sound lagfree
[10:54] <fatejudger> dmix isn't very good with KDE
[10:54] <fatejudger> Gnome is better for sound ATM
[10:55] <crimsun> chimaera: can you choose a Custom one?
[10:55] <crimsun> chimaera: or at least specify a device for alsasink?
[10:55] <fatejudger> probably because all of the technies code with Gnome and all of the designers code with KDE
[10:55] <fatejudger> well
[10:55] <fatejudger> *code for
[10:55] <chimaera> crimsun: no, that's the problem..
[10:55] <crimsun> fatejudger: well, afaik, KDE4 will use gstreamer.
[10:55] <crimsun> which can only be a good thing
[10:55] <fatejudger> crimsun: yeah, that will be VERY nice
[10:55] <fatejudger> crimsun: lagfree sound to compete with Windows is a good thing
[10:56] <fatejudger> crimsun: although KDE 4 is so far away
[10:56] <fatejudger> crimsun: Dapper will be out before KDE 4 is
[10:56] <crimsun> well, lag-free is another issue altogether
[10:56] <crimsun> lots of architectural issues for sound for lag-free to be a reality
[10:56] <fatejudger> crimsun: well if they tie gstreamer in with alsa
[10:57] <fatejudger> crimsun: alsa has that plugin to mix right in alsa
[10:57] <fatejudger> crimsun: which cuts way down on lag
[10:57] <crimsun> dmix has several high latency paths still
[10:57] <fatejudger> crimsun: what is that plugin called?
[10:57] <crimsun> it's being worked on
[10:57] <fatejudger> oh
[10:57] <fatejudger> yeah
[10:57] <fatejudger> that is dmix isn't it
[10:57] <fatejudger> anyhow
[10:58] <crimsun> chimaera: you can't? hmm, any that give you the option?
[10:58] <fatejudger> crimsun: I can't figure out the syntax for this visudo thing
[10:58] <fatejudger> crimsun: the only thing I've figured out so far is I need to edit this conf file somehow
[10:58] <chimaera> well, i can set the device in codeine, in amarok but not in kaffeine. 
[10:58] <crimsun> fatejudger: man visudo
[10:59] <crimsun> chimaera: are you using a custom-crafted /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc ?
[10:59] <chimaera> crimsun: neither. alsa dmixes w/o asoundrc if pointing to plug:dmix
[10:59] <fatejudger> crimsun: I already did that, it doesn't explain anything, just the syntax
[11:00] <fatejudger> crimsun: I need to know how this program works
[11:00] <crimsun> fatejudger: the syntax -is- the important part
[11:00] <fatejudger> crimsun: do I tell it exactly what file I want to have root privilidges
[11:00] <fatejudger> crimsun: well I know that, but all it says is how to read from some file or something
[11:00] <fatejudger> crimsun: and the rest are just variations on that single command
[11:00] <fatejudger> crimsun: but you don't write commands
[11:00] <fatejudger> crimsun: it's a conf file you edit
[11:01] <fatejudger> crimsun: I need info what to stick in that file
[11:01] <crimsun> did you read sudoers(5)?
[11:02] <fatejudger> what is sudoers(5)?
[11:02] <fatejudger> crimsun: cmon, I'm sure you know how to write these commands
[11:02] <fatejudger> crimsun: can't you just at least tell me what the heck this program does?
[11:02] <crimsun> very quickly, here's what you need to do: You need to put /bin/mount into a specific Cmnd_Alias
[11:03] <fatejudger> crimsun: ok
[11:03] <crimsun> then you need to put that Cmnd_Alias into your line with the NOPASSWD parameter
[11:03] <crimsun> sudoers(5) is the man page for sudoers: man 5 sudoers
[11:04] <fatejudger> crimsun: ohhh I get it
[11:04] <fatejudger> crimsun: I need to tell it that the command "mount" doesn't need to supply a password
[11:04] <fatejudger> crimsun: but isn't that horribly unsafe?
[11:04] <crimsun> chimaera: ALSA is set to dmix by default as of ALSA 1.0.9. We've also configured it to dmix the first 9 devices.
[11:04] <fatejudger> crimsun: you work on ALSA?
[11:04] <crimsun> fatejudger: it's only allowed for users in the admin group if you do it the way I suggested
[11:04] <crimsun> fatejudger: yes
[11:05] <fatejudger> crimsun: holy crap, that's great
[11:05] <fatejudger> crimsun: how many projects do you work on exactly?
[11:05] <crimsun> one or two, not many
[11:05] <crimsun> I'm a professor. That eats up most of my time.
[11:05] <fatejudger> Comp Sci?
[11:05] <crimsun> yep
[11:05] <fatejudger> wait
[11:05] <fatejudger> so you teach
[11:06] <fatejudger> and you do Open Source
[11:06] <crimsun> yep
[11:06] <fatejudger> and you do research?
[11:06] <crimsun> yep
[11:06] <_mariux> mariux@nylon:/etc/acpi$ sudo echo "0" > /sys/class/net/eth1/device/power/state
[11:06] <_mariux> bash: /sys/class/net/eth1/device/power/state: Permission denied
[11:06] <_mariux> why is that?
[11:06] <fatejudger> crimsun: what don't you do?
[11:06] <crimsun> _mariux: incorrect syntax.
[11:06] <fatejudger> crimsun: lol
[11:06] <crimsun> _mariux: echo "0" | sudo tee /sys/class/net/eth1/device/power/state
[11:06] <fatejudger> crimsun: what college do you teach at?
[11:06] <_mariux> ahh, thanks!
[11:06] <crimsun> fatejudger: North Carolina A&T
[11:07] <crimsun> _mariux: although I think you want echo -n 0
[11:07] <fatejudger> that's far away from here
[11:07] <_mariux> yes :)
[11:07] <fatejudger> crimsun: so have you ever had a student know you from some IRC channel or Open Source project?
[11:08] <crimsun> fatejudger: yes, a couple
[11:08] <fatejudger> crimsun: do you teach the more advanced classes or the beginning ones?
[11:08] <crimsun> fatejudger: OS and programming language concepts
[11:09] <azertyuuu> hey all, if i use Adept i see that 4071 packages are available for download, althoug, i used to have 65000 available packages ??? (e.g. i can't find j2re, lesstif....anymore) 
[11:09] <fatejudger> crimsun: most of the Comp Sci professors that I've known have are all extreme OOP supporters
[11:09] <fatejudger> crimsun: you seem more practical
[11:09] <fatejudger> crimsun: you must be a good professor
[11:09] <morrow> hmmm any hint on how to downgrade from kde beta2 to beta1?
[11:09] <crimsun> fatejudger: I worked for IBM, and so I've been "tainted."
[11:10] <fatejudger> crimsun: ah, that would explain it
[11:10] <crimsun> OOP isn't the best for everything.
[11:10] <fatejudger> crimsun: no, it isn't
[11:10] <_mariux> crimsun: then thing is that my wireless card gets powered down when i suspend
[11:10] <fatejudger> crimsun: but it's pretty damn good for a lot of things
[11:10] <_mariux> and not powered up again
[11:10] <crimsun> morrow: you need to pin your apt priorities to the older packages. man 5 apt_preferences
[11:10] <_mariux> but that commando doesnt seem to help
[11:10] <fatejudger> crimsun: QT is probably one of the best examples of OOP at its best
[11:11] <fatejudger> crimsun: great documentation, and great functionality
[11:11] <crimsun> _mariux: which 802.11 chipset?
[11:11] <_mariux> ipw2200
[11:11] <_mariux> it workes if i hibernate and bring it up
[11:11] <crimsun> fatejudger: OOP has its benefits, surely, and Qt is an excellent kit.
[11:11] <fatejudger> crimsun: do you teach your students about QT?
[11:11] <fatejudger> crimsun: do any colleges teach QT for that matter?
[11:11] <fatejudger> crimsun: or GTK?
[11:12] <crimsun> fatejudger: I mention it if they ask. I don't teach any UI classes.
[11:12] <fatejudger> crimsun: are the UI professors pretty knowledgeable in that area or do they do more OS specific UI design?
[11:12] <crimsun> _mariux: not sure what you seem to be saying is the issue
[11:13] <_mariux> after suspend the wlancard isnt enabled again, but it is after suspend
[11:13] <crimsun> fatejudger: HCI researchers and professors are generally more concerned about other issues, but certainly toolkit design is applicable
[11:13] <_mariux> so i am looking in /etc/acpi/ right now to try to see why
[11:13] <morrow> crimsun: is there a Pin: line for matching all kde debs?
[11:13] <_mariux> though there is no suspend.sh there
[11:14] <crimsun> _mariux: there shouldn't be. It's called sleep.h
[11:14] <crimsun> .sh, rather
[11:14] <crimsun> there should be an /etc/acpi/suspend.d/, though
[11:15] <fatejudger> crimsun: Cmnd_Alias ::= mount = Cmnd_List
[11:15] <_mariux> correct
[11:15] <fatejudger> crimsun: is that the correct command?
[11:15] <_mariux> sleep.sh doesnt seem to tough my suspend
[11:16] <_mariux> the reason i even care about suspend is that kde automatically suspends my laptop on login which is very anoying
[11:16] <fatejudger> is someone here having trouble with suspend or something?
[11:16] <_mariux> its klaptopdeamons fault, though i dont know why it does it
[11:16] <fatejudger> auto suspend?
[11:16] <fatejudger> my laptop doesn't have that problem
[11:16] <fatejudger> I edited my suspend properties in the GUI
[11:16] <_mariux> me too
[11:16] <fatejudger> the laptop power management area
[11:16] <fatejudger> just check all of the boxes
[11:16] <fatejudger> on the ACPI tab
[11:16] <_mariux> fatejudger: try to run klaptop_check
[11:16] <fatejudger> and then reload that same program
[11:17] <fatejudger> _mariux: me?
[11:17] <_mariux> that suspends my laptop
[11:17] <_mariux> yes
[11:17] <fatejudger> why?
[11:17] <_mariux> though i really dont think that app is supposed to do so
[11:17] <fatejudger> if I do that I'll get disconnected
[11:17] <fatejudger> _mariux: just go back into that GUI thing and tell it to suspend when you close the lid
[11:17] <crimsun> fatejudger: you need to use the fully qualified path for mount, i.e., /bin/mount
[11:18] <_mariux> why would that change the problem?
[11:18] <fatejudger> crimsun: Cmnd_Alias ::= bin/mount = Cmnd_List
[11:18] <fatejudger> crimsun: would that one be correct then?
[11:18] <_mariux> the problem is that whenever klaptop_daemon starts it suspends my laptop
[11:18] <fatejudger> _mariux: well that doesn't make any sense at all
[11:18] <_mariux> i know :)
[11:18] <fatejudger> _mariux: are you using KDE betas?
[11:18] <crimsun> fatejudger: you need to give it command group name.
[11:19] <crimsun> Read the man page carefully.
[11:19] <_mariux> 3.4.3-breezy
[11:19] <crimsun> going home.
[11:19] <Tm_T> :(
[11:19] <Tm_T> KDE 3.5 <3
[11:19] <_mariux> fatejudger: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114453
[11:20] <fatejudger> crimsun: crap
[11:20] <fatejudger> crimsun: I can't figure this one out
[11:20] <fatejudger> crimsun: I give up
[11:21] <fatejudger> crimsun: this manual is just way too complicated for me at 2:20 AM
[11:21] <fatejudger> I need sleep...
[11:21] <_mariux> my laptop also automagically suspends when i click apply in the poweroptions in kcontrol
[11:21] <_mariux> (probably klaptopdaemon restarting)
[11:21] <azertyuuu> !lesstif
[11:21] <ubotu> azertyuuu: Are you smoking crack?
[11:22] <azertyuuu> !lesstif
[11:23] <fatejudger> _mariux: ok, that's just weird
[11:23] <_mariux> i know :)
[11:23] <fatejudger> _mariux: what laptop do you have?
[11:23] <_mariux> i tured off suspend-support now and clicked  apply
[11:23] <fatejudger> _mariux: maybe it just isn't compatible
[11:23] <_mariux> it flickered the screen and made it full of artifacts for 10sec
[11:24] <_mariux> looked like it was trying to suspend it unsucessfully.
[11:24] <fatejudger> lol
[11:24] <_mariux> its a 1557
[11:24] <fatejudger> _mariux: mine suspends perfectly
[11:24] <fatejudger> _mariux: what the hell is a 1557?
[11:24] <_mariux> aopen barebone
[11:24] <fatejudger> ?
[11:24] <_mariux> that alot of webshops reconfigure and sell
[11:24] <fatejudger> oh ok
[11:25] <fatejudger> I see
[11:25] <fatejudger> I have a Dell
[11:25] <fatejudger> everyone supports Dell
[11:25] <fatejudger> because Dell kicks ass
[11:25] <_mariux> in 5.04 hibernate didnt work at all
[11:25] <fatejudger> yeah well Breezy has tons of laptop support now
[11:25] <fatejudger> more than almost any distro
[11:25] <_mariux> but in 5.10 they both work great
[11:25] <_mariux> only it autosuspends in some cases :)
[11:26] <fatejudger> yeah, that's a problem
[11:26] <Foodcoman> exit
[11:26] <fatejudger> exit?
[11:26] <fatejudger> lol
[11:26] <_mariux> but i have to go to eat breakfast now
[11:26] <_mariux> brb
[11:26] <azertyuuu> can i install a tar.gz pack in kubuntu ?
[11:27] <azertyuuu> !tar.gz
[11:27] <ubotu> azertyuuu: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:27] <student> #bytom
[11:28] <fatejudger> azertyuuu: no
[11:28] <fatejudger> azertyuuu: you unzip
[11:29] <fatejudger> untar
[11:29] <fatejudger> untar!
[11:30] <azertyuuu> never mind
[11:40] <_mariux> ther
[11:40] <brizzio> je veux le site d'aide francais me'rci
[11:42] <brizzio> qq peux m'aider please pour aller sur le salon fr
[11:45] <eriksti> you guys use linuxdcpp or what?
[12:06] <Lausi> Hallihallo
[12:07] <azertyuuu> how can i remove opera ? 
[12:07] <azertyuuu> dpkg -r opera ?
[12:07] <azertyuuu> dpkg -purge opera ?
[12:08] <Mars_^> Do anybody knows how can i change colours of text in xchat?
[12:09] <Mars_^> ?
[12:14] <dragonkh> hi
[12:14] <dragonkh> anyone know how to stop my ibook closing the eth0 when I shut the lid ?
[12:27] <karltk> would anyone happen to know why the thunderbird file type associations are greyed out? google doesn't seem to offer any clue.
[12:29] <amarock> how do i change splashscreen of kubuntu?
[12:31] <thechill> anyone in?
[12:38] <ckd> how can i install Kword on my Ubuntu 5.4 ?
[12:39] <amarock> ckd: via synaptic:)
[12:41] <ckd> its not in synaptic
[12:42] <apokryphos> ckd: enable the Universe repository
[12:42] <apokryphos> !repos
[12:42] <ubotu> sources is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[12:43] <ckd> how ?
[12:44] <ckd> ?
[12:45] <ckd> HELP
[12:45] <amarock> what are raid devices? and md devices? what system services can i safely disable? im on simple pc..
[12:46] <amarock> ckd: have patience......lemme see
[12:47] <azertyuuu> how can i reconfigure grub (listordening/boottime ) ?
[12:47] <ckd> dont know what u mean
[12:47] <amarock> ckd: hmm..its not in my repos too......is it a part of kdeedu?
[12:48] <amarock> azertyuuu: by editing menu.lst
[12:48] <ckd> its fro Koffice
[12:49] <amarock> ckd: then install koffice pkg i guess......
[12:51] <amarock> does kubuntu breezy seem slow to startup and shutdown to anyone here? atleast slower than hoary?
[12:51] <ckd> how can i do this =
[12:51] <ckd> ?
[12:53] <amarock> ckd: i dunno dude......i cant find koffice too...do u really need kword? try abiword:)
[12:54] <ckd> i need kword for pdf eding
[12:54] <amarock> i see......
[12:55] <ckd> thx
[12:56] <amarock> ckd: ;)
[12:57] <thoreauputic> !info koffice
[12:57] <ubotu> koffice: (KDE Office Suite), section kde, is optional. Version: 1:1.4.1-0ubuntu7 (breezy), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 76 kB
[12:57] <thoreauputic> it's in main, evidently
[12:58] <thoreauputic> in breezy anyway
[12:58] <ckd> ?
[12:58] <ckd> where is it
[12:59] <amarock> help! synaptic is giving errors! says couldnt stat pkg list for all repos!!!
[12:59] <thoreauputic> ckd: are you using the latest version of (k)ubuntu? If so just open adept or synaptic and install koffice
[01:00] <amarock> help! help! synaptic is giving errors! says couldnt stat pkg list for all repos!!!
[01:01] <ckd> i using ubuntu 5.04
[01:01] <thoreauputic> ckd: in that case you need to enable universe
[01:02] <thoreauputic> !repos
[01:02] <ubotu> I heard sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[01:02] <thoreauputic> ckd: read those about enabling repositories
[01:02] <thoreauputic> !info koffice hoary
[01:02] <ubotu> koffice: (KDE Office Suite), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 1:1.3.5-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 52 kB
[01:02] <thoreauputic> ckd: 5.04 is "hoary"
[01:05] <ckd> ?
[01:05] <ckd> hoary?
[01:06] <thoreauputic> ckd: I suggest some basic reading -  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation   and http://help.ubuntu,com
[01:19] <el-stupido> i dont see my printer in System/Settins/Printer
[01:19] <el-stupido> :/
[01:20] <el-stupido> how do i install it?
[01:22] <dragonkh> where is the DocumentRoot set for apache ?
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /var/www
[01:23] <dragonkh> no I mean where do you set that it should point there?
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should by default
[01:23] <dragonkh> no I dont want it therte
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> but im not sure how to change that stuff
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, i see
[01:23] <dragonkh> I want it to go elsewhere
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> grep for DocumentRoot in teh config file
[01:24] <dragonkh> not in the apache2.conf file
[01:36] <el-stupido> why isnt my printer installed lol and how do i install it?
[01:42] <hanpu> Anyone who can help with a soundcard related problem?
[01:44] <el-stupido>  dont see my printer installed in the settings.. its connected and it wont give me the option to add printer even in Admin mode
[01:51] <Frieden> hello
[01:52] <Frieden> can someone help me please..?
[01:53] <maneveru> just ask
[01:54] <Frieden> ok
[01:54] <Frieden> well im unable to connect to a dial-up connection using KPPP
[01:54] <Frieden> it doesnt actually get to the dialing stage
[01:54] <Frieden> it just sits at "Initializing modem"
[01:55] <Frieden> im wondering if it has to do with this error i get every time i launch KPPP... "/etc/resolv.conf is missing or cant be read"
[01:55] <Frieden> any ideas on why i cant connect?
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> Frieden: can you 'cat /etc/resolv.conf'?
[01:56] <Frieden> hanvt tried it
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> have a try. 
[01:57] <Frieden> mkay
[01:57] <Frieden> ok brb
[02:08] <kairu0> hey all
[02:08] <ph8> lo all
[02:09] <kairu0> i'm new to kubuntu but not ubuntu. i installed w32codecs and divxdecore but i cant see divx files
[02:09] <ph8> my print jobs are totally stuck and it's very annoying ;)
[02:09] <ph8> For some reason it thinks my printer is in 'on hold' mode
[02:09] <ph8> i've rebooted, many times and it works perfectly in windows (:() - it was working perfectly until yesterday when i tried to cancel a print job that was half complete
[02:10] <apokryphos> kairu0: are you on i386?
[02:10] <apokryphos> though, all you need to play divx is xine/mpalyer
[02:12] <Heinerich> amaroK hangs while trying to play a shoutcast-stream... :-/ (5.04)
[02:15] <kairu0> apokryphos: yes i am
[02:16] <apokryphos> kairu0: have you installed xine?
[02:17] <kairu0> apokryphos: i installed kaffeine-xine but not xine
[02:17] <apokryphos> try it
[02:20] <ph8> any ideas about my problem guys?
[02:20] <kairu0> apokryphos: i just installed mplayer.. i think itll work :)
[02:20] <ph8> it's an HP 1410 if that makes any difference, i just want kjobviewer/the system to think that it's ready to print again (which it is)
[02:23] <libben> apokryphos: ive made make uninstall
[02:23] <libben> but how can i check if its really gone?
[02:23] <libben> i want something like dpkg -c foo.deb
[02:23] <apokryphos> if there were no errors, it really was gone
[02:23] <libben> well, there are some warnings
[02:24] <libben> like Makefile:814: warning: overriding commands for target `clean-bcheck'
[02:24] <apokryphos> ignore warnings
[02:24] <libben> but thats shouldent be a problem
[02:24] <apokryphos> only look for errors
[02:25] <libben> i should type sudo make uninstall also =)
[02:25] <apokryphos> if you prefixed to /usr, then yes, obviously
[02:27] <ph8> kubuntu thinks my printer is on hold when it's not - anything i try to print just gets queued - can someone help?
[02:36] <hettar> monotone: warning: input buffer for peer localhost is overfull after netcmd dispatch
[02:36] <hettar> is that bad ?
[02:41] <uniq_> hi.
[02:51] <apokryphos> uniq_: you're alive :D
[02:51] <apokryphos> haven't seen you around for.... quite a long time =)
[02:51] <MenZa`> Neither have I
[02:51] <MenZa`> ...I wonder why, idling here for about a week now :D?
[02:52] <MenZa`> ;)
[02:52] <MenZa`> Now, where are my glasses...
[02:52] <_mariux> so, does updating to 3.5.2-b2 actually work?
[02:53] <endo602> apokryphos: can i pm you?
[02:54] <apokryphos> endo602: if it's Kubuntu-related, here's as good a place as any. It's always better to ask the channel direct ;-)
[02:54] <endo602> ok
[02:56] <hettar> endo602: did you get moodin working ?
[02:57] <endo602> yes
[02:57] <endo602> thanks
[02:57] <endo602> :)
[02:57] <endo602> well it dont work on 3.5
[02:57] <endo602> but its installed
[02:57] <hettar> sorry I didn't reply immediately but I was out for most of the day
[02:57] <apokryphos> worked fine when I tried it on 3.5
[02:57] <apokryphos> are you sure you installed it correctly?
[02:58] <hettar> works fine on 3.5b2 here as well
[03:23] <fk6> hi, I must say kubuntu really works nice, congrats to the devs, as an old gentoo user, very easy and fast to install, with many good default options :)
[03:24] <fk6> we are still struggling a bit with arabic file names and some font issues, but when we solve those, we will start moving some ministries to it :)
[03:24] <fk6> so thanks guys for providing us with such a nice system!
[03:26] <Blippo> hi, someone replaced in kubuntu utf-8 by iso-somewhat? i have problems there still
[03:27] <toby> Is anyone able to play monopoly at http://www.games.com/playgames/monopoly/lobby.jsp using Konqueror or Firefox?
[03:27] <toby> (just click guest)
[03:27] <toby> In firefox, the page loads but the game screen is garbled and unusable. In Konqueror, it gets stuck midway through loading
[03:28] <toby> (I have J2RE and Flash ;)
[03:32] <Blippo> someone any idea why gtk would use utf-8 while kde uses iso-8859-15 at my system?
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnome is based around utf-8, could be related to taht
[03:33] <Blippo> installed gnome additionally in kubuntu and there i dont have the problem 
[03:34] <toby> Is anyone able to try that link? I need to know if the problem is with me (so I should continue troubleshooting) or is with the site (so I should complain)
[03:34] <Blippo> where would i get rid of utf-8 in gnome???
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> Blippo: you wouldnt
[03:34] <Blippo> ups
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> toby: seems to work here
[03:35] <toby> Thanks: which browser Kaiser?
[03:35] <Blippo> hmm, e.g. gimp writes filenames as utf-8 which gets messed up when read by kde :-(
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> toby: firefox
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> Blippo: :(
[03:37] <toby> Kaiser: For me, in firefox, the game loads, but the buttons are missing text and the graphics have glitches, making it unplayable. Sorry to be persistant, but are you sure it's working right?
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> which game?
[03:39] <toby> Monopoly. Things like: The list of users is blank, just has some coloured squares in it.
[03:39] <toby> In the actual game (spectating) the game pieces leave trails as the move around
[03:39] <toby> Buttons missing text.
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> toby: im not able to use it. i think network issues for me :( 
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> so not sure about your prob
[03:43] <toby> Ok. Thankyou for trying. Maybe someone else will be able to try it?
[03:45] <sorush20> guys how do I install new fonts in Kubuntu
[03:45] <apokryphos> from systemsettings
[03:56] <endo602> apokryphos: you still around?
[03:56] <apokryphos> for a bit, yes
[03:57] <endo602> i relogins
[03:57] <endo602> should i try and replug the usb in?
[03:57] <apokryphos> yes
[03:58] <endo602> same error
[03:58] <apokryphos> I'm afraid I can't help then, sorry
[04:18] <uniq_> apokryphos: hi, sorry i'm this slow. my connection died and i went out to do a few things.
[04:18] <sorush20> guys is there a fonts manager anywhere?
[04:19] <uniq_> in hoary there is one in the control center.
[04:20] <fiero> #leave
[04:21] <fiero> quit
[04:23] <_xuniL> what did i need to install for playing mp3?
[04:24] <toby> _xuniL: not tried it, but the mp3 gstreamer plugin maybe
[04:24] <_xuniL> k
[04:24] <toby> then run gst-register and the amarok
[04:25] <toby> but i've not tried it on Kubuntu!
[04:25] <_xuniL> there where a page for this..
[04:25] <_xuniL> k
[04:25] <_xuniL> done it once on kubuntu but dont remember :D
[04:28] <skullbocks> lo tlm
[04:31] <Peaker> Hey, what script runs in KDM's login? .bashrc only runs when bash is invoked. Will .profile be run when startkde is ran by kdm?
[04:32] <skullbocks> kkun as eu des pb de son  en passant a breezy ?
[04:38] <_xuniL> how do i change permissions on a hard disk?
[04:39] <skullbocks> chmod ?
[04:39] <_xuniL> k
[04:40] <toby> chmod -r to make it recursive throughout directories
[04:41] <_xuniL> what do i write if i whant every one able to read files?
[04:42] <skullbocks> 554 in the third position 
[04:42] <skullbocks> sory
[04:42] <skullbocks> 554
[04:42] <skullbocks> forget the end ;)
[04:43] <skullbocks> 664 would be better
[04:43] <skullbocks> actualy
[04:43] <_xuniL> 663?
[04:43] <_xuniL> 664?
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> _xuniL: do you want just read, or write as well?
[04:44] <skullbocks> 664 -> rw-rw-r--
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> adn do you want apps to be executablle is the other thing?
[04:45] <_xuniL> kamping_kaiser i just whant to read...
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> _xuniL: then all files 444
[04:45] <_xuniL> its my windows drive
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> and directorys 111
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> *555
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, in that case mount ro
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> (read only)
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> much easyer :)
[04:46] <_xuniL> write mount command
[04:47] <skullbocks> some had sound problem after updating to breezy ?
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> _xuniL: in your /etc/fstab, change the windows line so it had 'defaults,ro,otherstuff'
[04:47] <skullbocks> i have no more sound but everything seems to be properly installed ...
[04:50] <_xuniL> Kamping_Kaiser should options= defaults dump=ro and pass = otherstuff
[04:50] <skullbocks> nobody ?
[04:50] <_xuniL> not getting sound?
[04:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> _xuniL: there should be no '=
[04:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> ' in the fstab
[04:51] <skullbocks> yep
[04:51] <_xuniL> kamping_kaiser huh?
[04:51] <_xuniL> gett the gsteamer plugins and codecc
[04:51] <_xuniL> skullbocks
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> _xuniL: can you paste the output of "cat /etc/fstab" to pastebin somewhere?
[04:52] <_xuniL> kubuntu.pastebin.se
[04:52] <_xuniL> kubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:52] <_xuniL> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/402954
[04:53] <_xuniL> w8 thats my fstab
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /dev/hda2   /windows    ntfs  defaults    0   0
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> _xunil, because its NTFS it has to be read only anyway, but you need to add 'umask 755' or similar to the line (i forget exactly)
[04:54] <Tm_T> umask=0
[04:54] <Tm_T> :p
[04:54] <Tm_T> full rights to all
[04:54] <Tm_T> except ro system
[04:55] <_xuniL> where should i put it?
[04:55] <Tm_T> defaults,ro,umask=0
[04:55] <Tm_T> ok?
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> _xuniL: ask Tm_T
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)'
[04:56] <Tm_T> :p
[04:56] <Tm_T> and hi Kamping_Kaiser 
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi tm :)
[04:56] <Tm_T> eh
[04:57] <_xuniL> Tm_t like this
[04:57] <_xuniL> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/402963
[04:57] <_xuniL> ?
[04:57] <Tm_T> you should not shorten shorted nick ;)
[04:57] <Tm_T> no, defaults,ro,umask=0
[04:57] <Tm_T> they are all options
[04:58] <_xuniL> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/402965
[04:58] <_xuniL> like that=
[04:58] <_xuniL> ?
[04:58] <_xuniL> is it read only now
[04:58] <_xuniL> ?
[04:59] <Tm_T> yup
[04:59] <Tm_T> forced to
[04:59] <_xuniL> good
[04:59] <Tm_T> ntfs is "always" read only
[04:59] <_xuniL> thx
[04:59] <Tm_T> and yes, correctly
[04:59] <Tm_T> :)
[05:00] <_xuniL> you can force changes... :/
[05:00] <apokryphos> uniq_: no problem; how've you been?
[05:00] <_xuniL> do i need to restart for getting the changes?
[05:01] <Tm_T> no really
[05:01] <Tm_T> now just mount it
[05:01] <Tm_T> saying "mount /dev/hda2"
[05:02] <_xuniL> dont i need to unmount it?
[05:03] <Tm_T> uh?
[05:03] <Tm_T> it's mounted already?
[05:03] <_xuniL> yeah at /windows
[05:03] <Tm_T> yse, umount
[05:03] <Tm_T> if you need to get those changes
[05:04] <_xuniL> yay it works...
[05:04] <_xuniL> thxx
[05:04] <Tm_T> np
[05:06] <_xuniL> any one know then ubuntu update amarok to the newst version?
[05:06] <_xuniL> the one right now are useing almost full cpu...
[05:06] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:06] <Tm_T> I use self compiled svn version
[05:06] <Tm_T> just compiled _newest_
[05:07] <_xuniL> k...
[05:07] <Tm_T> fifth time today :p
[05:07] <_xuniL> then i remove the one i have now
[05:07] <Tm_T> well, what version it is?
[05:07] <_xuniL> 1.3
[05:07] <Tm_T> 1.3. what?
[05:07] <_xuniL> 1.3.1
[05:07] <Tm_T> ah yes
[05:07] <Tm_T> ofcourse
[05:08] <Tm_T> you would like to compile yourself?
[05:09] <_xuniL> well i wouldent say like ....
[05:09] <Tm_T> :p
[05:10] <_xuniL> if i use the get-amarok-svn.sh do i need to uninstall amarok?
[05:11] <Tm_T> yes,
[05:11] <Tm_T> hmm, never used that script myself
[05:11] <_xuniL> k
[05:11] <_xuniL> to bad :/
[05:11] <Tm_T> I have my own scripts :p
[05:12] <_xuniL> heh
[05:12] <apokryphos> 1.3.3 was recently released.. not that great a need to use svn
[05:12] <Tm_T> apokryphos: well, 1.3.4 is out(?)
[05:13] <Tm_T> not yet
[05:13] <Tm_T> String Freeze until 1.3.4 !!
[05:13] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:13] <Zeep> amaroK?
[05:13] <Tm_T> and yes, always good reason to use svn
[05:13] <apokryphos> heh, and I thought they were going straight to 1.4
[05:14] <Zeep> There is going to be a 1.3.5, too
[05:14] <Tm_T> because there's every day something better(or worse ;p) when we are talking of amaroK
[05:14] <Zeep> According to their roadmap
[05:14] <apokryphos> Tm_T: I love the fact that the devs are active, but svn isn't great for everyone; stability etc 8)
[05:14] <apokryphos> 1.3.5 too... ouch. Lodda bugfixes
[05:14] <Zeep> http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/RoadMap
[05:14] <apokryphos> though I love the way they make feature changes in 1.3.5 too :P
[05:15] <apokryphos> er, 1.3.x I mean
[05:15] <Tm_T> apokryphos: =)
[05:16] <Tm_T> apokryphos: well, I always(?) use newest svn and it's more stable than releases in most of time
[05:16] <_xuniL> the svn program what is it called in apt-get?
[05:16] <Zeep> subversion?
[05:16] <apokryphos> Tm_T: haven't used svn lately, but it would generally be ok. Still, some checkouts I'd be left with inaccessible configure amarok, broken ipod handling (though this happened in actual versions too), and other tinklings
[05:17] <apokryphos> Zeep: yes
[05:17] <Zeep> kdesvn - A Subversion client for KDE
[05:17] <apokryphos> never used that; might try it out someday
[05:17] <apokryphos> the commands aren't hard to type :P
[05:17] <Zeep> Take a look at their roadmap
[05:17] <Zeep> iPod-support is going to be corrected with 1.4
[05:17] <Zeep> finally ;-(
[05:18] <apokryphos> it's working currently -- fixed in 1.3.3 IIRC
[05:18] <apokryphos> it's just gonna get better in 1.4
[05:18] <_xuniL> cant find kdesvn
[05:18] <Tm_T> apokryphos: afaik that ipod handling is fixed
[05:19] <apokryphos> yup, as I said :P
[05:19] <Zeep> At the moment, I'm sitting at a SuSE-box, so the apt-output does differ 
[05:19] <Zeep> Yeah, but they are going to switch to libgpod for iPod-support, which does offer more features
[05:20] <Zeep> _xuniL: KDESVN: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=26589
[05:21] <_xuniL> will try installing from source
[05:23] <kkathman> good day, all :)
[05:25] <Zeep> kkathman: hi
[05:26] <kkathman> hi there  Zeep :)
[05:31] <Peaker> where can I set my PATH or other environment variables safely so they are accessible to all apps?
[05:33] <avinoam> I get the following error trying to configure kmuddy:
[05:33] <avinoam> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:34] <kkathman> Peaker:  you'll need to go to your basrc file (or edit it)
[05:34] <apokryphos> avinoam: install libx11-dev
[05:34] <Peaker> kkathman: The problem is that .bashrc only affects bash and its child processes
[05:34] <Peaker> I want all my user's processes to be affected
[05:35] <kkathman> Peaker:  I dont think you can have your cake and eat it too
[05:35] <apokryphos> Peaker: PATH is defined in /etc/profile
[05:35] <apokryphos> (for system-wide)
[05:35] <Peaker> apokryphos: So /etc/profile runs in all login processes?
[05:35] <apokryphos> yes
[05:36] <kkathman> apokryphos: but then if the user has his own Path, that will supercede it, will it not?
[05:36] <kkathman> ie in his /home
[05:36] <avinoam> apokryphos, i did and still get the same error
[05:37] <apokryphos> kkathman: any extra paths added in system-wide will still be respected 
[05:37] <Peaker> apokryphos: ~/.profile will also run in the login of each user, after /etc/profile?
[05:37] <kkathman> apokryphos: my point being...that if each user has their own .bashrc, then the path there will overwrite the master in /etc/profile
[05:37] <apokryphos> Peaker: yes
[05:38] <apokryphos> kkathman: no, it'll just use the extra ones it has
[05:38] <kkathman> so he'll have to remove any PATH statements (except for addons) in all user files
[05:38] <kkathman> apokryphos: ONLY if its of the form PATH = PATH:........
[05:38] <kkathman> ie the concatenation
[05:38] <apokryphos> avinoam: don't remember exactly what else it is. But, for example do apt-get build-dep kde-styles-lipstik  and it'll pull in the relevant things for it
[05:39] <apokryphos> kkathman: what are you talking about?
[05:39] <avinoam> apokryphos, there's nothing for kmuddy
[05:39] <azertyuuu> hey all , can anyone help me? I want to have Windows as default OS in Grub 
[05:40] <apokryphos> avinoam: I know... do what I said there though
[05:40] <avinoam> exactly that?
[05:40] <apokryphos> yes
[05:41] <kkathman> apokryphos: I believe that if one's own .bashrc file in their /home/<name> directory, has a PATH =  statement, then it takes precedence over the master in /etc/profile.  Unless the one in the user's HOME is set to concatenate additional paths.
[05:41] <kkathman> I had a problem with this in Hoary and worked with someone here to resolve it, and that was the problem.
[05:42] <apokryphos> I don't really know; could be the case, I guess. Might test in a bit
[05:42] <avinoam> apokryphos, still unable to find a source package
[05:42] <apokryphos> avinoam: hoary or breezy?
[05:42] <kkathman> Maybe its changed in breezy :)
[05:43] <avinoam> apokryphos, breezy
[05:43] <apokryphos> argh, kde-style-lipstik
[05:43] <apokryphos> damn Ss
[05:43] <avinoam> apokryphos, what is it gonna bring in?
[05:44] <apokryphos> avinoam: the build depends for that package; which, requires the X includes
[05:44] <apokryphos> quite sure you only need libx11-dev, but that might have changed
[05:44] <avinoam> gotcha
[05:44] <avinoam> thanks
[05:48] <kkathman> Is anyone familiar with a package called "beagle" which is a desktop search engine I think
[05:50] <_xuniL> no
[05:51] <apokryphos> yes, it's a gnomism though. Meant to be quite good
[05:51] <apokryphos> KDE's answer is Kat, pretty much; but it does more :D
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, i should try i tout :|
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> root eh....
[05:52] <kkathman> kewl apokryphos thanx...I know that beagle was rather hard to install in Hoary, and I passed on it then
[06:09] <kkathman> Good day Blissex :)
[06:13] <Blissex> Hello!
[06:21] <kkathman> Hey there raphink :)
[06:35] <troestec> bin ich schon drin
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> kubuntu-de
[06:37] <kkathman> Morning (or whatever) Kamping_Kaiser  :)
[06:38] <Tm_T> :p
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kkathman, yes, its 2 am :) so morning
[06:38] <Tm_T> heh
[06:38] <kkathman> hey Tm_T o/
[06:38] <Tm_T> 19:38 here
[06:38] <Tm_T> kkathman: hullo
[06:38] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: lol...morning here too!! but 11:30am SUnday
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. monday today :)
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> got to take my sister to school in 5 hours
[06:39] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: where are you located?
[06:39] <kkathman> just curious :)
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> central australia
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) 
[06:39] <kkathman> ahh ok knew it had to be way way over there somewhere :)
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> id like to be on teh east coast, but im here :}
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'way over there' lol
[06:40] <kkathman> well you are some 14 hours ahead :)
[06:40] <corincole> hey, can someone help me please?
[06:40] <kkathman> Tm_T: is around 8 from me 
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) yeh, it owns
[06:40] <kkathman> corincole: whats the issue?
[06:40] <corincole> can someone go to #ubuntu and ask someone to unblock me...  i dont know why ive been blocked... :o
[06:40] <corincole> :'(
[06:40] <corincole> I need to talk to Seveas, but i dont think hes online atm
[06:41] <kkathman> you can try to  PM him
[06:41] <kkathman> I dont have any clout in #ubuntu :)
[06:41] <corincole> hes not online
[06:41] <corincole> are there any OPS in #ubuntu atm?
[06:41] <kkathman> I dunno I dont usually hang out there
[06:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> i love irc :) you meet ppl all over the place
[06:42] <kkathman> apokryphos is there but I dont know if he is an op
[06:42] <corincole> kkathman - can you go and ask? :)
[06:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> corincole: are you sure you dont know why you were banned?
[06:43] <corincole> yup
[06:43] <libben> look at ur status window then to check the mess =)
[06:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 its just started raining
[06:43] <kkathman> corincole: not really, because I dont know you, and I dont know the circumstances of your situation...its best if you work that out with them.
[06:43] <corincole> i was on there this morning, left without being kicked...  because Seveas was away (at IKEA apparently lol), and now i am blocked....
[06:43] <corincole> can you ask an OP to pm me?
[06:44] <kkathman> hey hussam :)
[06:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[06:45] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: you get pretty good rains there in Central Australia?
[06:45] <hussam> kkathman, Kamping_Kaiser: hi guys
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: depends. down by the coast yes, in the center not so much
[06:45] <kkathman> hussam how are you today?
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> im going to bed :) its my time 
[06:46] <hussam> kkathman: fine, you?
[06:46] <kkathman> hussam: Im doin pretty good thanks :)
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> see you later today :)
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> in about 18 hours ;)
[06:46] <kkathman> take care Kamping_Kaiser  :)
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[06:47] <kkathman> libben: what was going on with corincole's status window that he was banned...Im just curious
[06:49] <jolly_joe> Im trying to install breezy from CD, I want to set up a /home partition as FAT32, but everytime i try this I can not create a user. Can someone help me please?
[06:49] <kkathman> jolly_joe: the install should walk you through that fairly painlessly
[06:50] <kkathman> ohhh wait as a FAT32??? 
[06:50] <kkathman> ewwwwwwwwwwwwww why?
[06:50] <jolly_joe> so that I can have it in windows if need be
[06:50] <Tm_T> :(
[06:50] <Tm_T> not a good idea
[06:50] <Tm_T> fat32 doesn't handle user rights very well
[06:51] <kkathman> jolly_joe: best to have windows first, use partition magic to create your partitions, then install Breezy in that partition
[06:51] <jolly_joe> can I put it in quiet mode?
[06:51] <jolly_joe> i got the partitions sorted out
[06:51] <jolly_joe> just cant seem to create user, i think its permissions business
[06:51] <kkathman> I think you have to have an ext3 partition to install any Linux, dont you Tm_T ??
[06:51] <Tm_T> kkathman: ext2 is fine too
[06:51] <kkathman> cuz thats what the installer looks for
[06:52] <kkathman> ahh true Tm_T  you're right
[06:52] <Tm_T> :p
[06:52] <kkathman> I've always used ext3 tho
[06:52] <Tm_T> and you can use reiserfs too in many places
[06:52] <Tm_T> though booting partition is recommended to be ext
[06:52] <kkathman> but install, rearrange your windows first, then partition and make an ext3, then install breezy
[06:53] <kkathman> Tm_T: unless you dual boot I guess
[06:53] <jolly_joe> i got the partitions ok
[06:53] <kkathman> JakubS: even on dual boot machines with windows?
[06:54] <JakubS> kkathman: i have no dual boot machines
[06:54] <kkathman> JakubS: yah me either
[06:57] <mephysto> ebo
[06:59] <Broxtor> I have a tv attached to a pc running Kubuntu 5.10. During the boot process there's no problem, but as soon as KDE starts, my screen goes black.
[06:59] <Broxtor> Does anyone know how I can solve this?
[07:02] <Broxtor> Btw: I'm using a Nvidia Geforce 2 MX400 graphics card and I have the Nvidia drivers installed
[07:02] <Tm_T> Broxtor: legacy drivers you mean?
[07:03] <Tm_T> yeah, your display driver needs legacy drivers
[07:03] <_lucas> smarlink moden works!!
[07:03] <_lucas> smartlink moden works!!
[07:03] <Tm_T> ok
[07:04] <Broxtor> Tm_T: I'm not sure what you mean by legacy drivers. I've got the one provided with Nvidia
[07:04] <rikva|laptop> Hi, I just installed Kubuntu Hoary, I reinstalled the / and swap partition and kept the /home partition. I have one major problem; sudo doesn't work. kdesu says my password is wrong (it isnt) and sudo in a konsole accepts the password and then ignores the parameter, e.g. 'sudo ls' returns nothing. What can I do?
[07:04] <Tm_T> Broxtor: apt-cache search legacy | grep nvidia
[07:04] <Tm_T> Broxtor: those are the dirvers you need
[07:04] <Tm_T> not the one you're using
[07:05] <Broxtor> Tm_T: Thanks, I'll give that a try.
[07:05] <Tm_T> np
[07:05] <Blissex> rikva|laptop: thats really odd. Try 'sudo -s' to see if you get a 'root' shell, and then try 'su -' to the same effect.
[07:05] <Blissex> rikva|laptop: also, check '/etc/sudoers'
[07:06] <rikva|laptop> Blissex: sudo -s returns nothing
[07:07] <rikva|laptop> Blissex: su - ... what do you mean? just su works, i become root
[07:08] <rikva|laptop> in /etc/sudoers is "root   ALL=(ALL) ALL
[07:08] <rikva|laptop> "
[07:08] <rikva|laptop> and Defaults
[07:09] <rikva|laptop> 'sudo -s ls' returns "/bin/ls: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file"
[07:12] <Blissex> rikva|laptop: consider adding a line to '/etc/sudoers' the same as the one that's there with your user name in it instead of 'root', and read 'man su' and 'man sudo' for the meaning of the options.
[07:12] <doctormo> how can I connect my Powerbook to my Kubuntu System?
[07:13] <rikva|laptop> Blissex: you saved my day. Thank you
[07:13] <doctormo> I should add by WiFi
[07:13] <rikva|laptop> this problem is propably caused because of the expert-installd i did :|
[07:14] <Roree> hi everyone, i am having a problem installing Kubuntu. I burnt the ISO to a cd, and booted from the CD fine. After going through some options it starts the installation process. When i get to the part about getting the installation files, it throws and error saying it couldn't get the files from the CD and that there might be a problem with my drive or with the integrity of the CD
[07:14] <doctormo> I can't seem to get them to match
[07:14] <Blissex> rikva|laptop: yes, likely, the default install should add your userid to '/etc/sudoers' for you.
[07:15] <Blissex> Roree: almost surely a bad burn or a bad download. Use the checksums to verify both the downloaded ISO image and the CD itself.
[07:15] <Roree> ok, how can i check the checksum? i remember doing it a while ago, but it was a while so can't remember :$
[07:16] <Blissex> Roree: with a program like 'md5sum'. The Ubuntu Wiki has detailed instructions.
[07:25] <doctormo> join #ubuntu
[07:26] <kkathman> Blissex: are you familiar with Kat ?
[07:27] <Blissex> kkathman: which Kat?
[07:29] <kkathman> Blissex: the newest one, the desktop search utility
[07:29] <kkathman> One of the helper programs it says im missing is lyx2html, and yet I cant find that in the repositories through apt-cache
[07:31] <Blissex> kkathman: looking, not totally surprising though...
[07:32] <kkathman> Im just wondering if thereare alot of lyx files on my system...Im not familiar with that
[07:32] <kkathman> I'm inclined to just ignore that
[07:32] <Roree> where can i find the md5sum for the kubunto iso image? i'm getting confused :S
[07:32] <Blissex> kkathman: ignore it if you can. LyX is a GUI frontend to TeX
[07:32] <kkathman> ahh ok thanks Blissex :)
[07:33] <Blissex> kkathman: it was the project that the founder of KDE did before starting KDE.
[07:33] <kkathman> Roree: check the Ubuntu wiki :)
[07:33] <Blissex> Roree: or any FTP download site.
[07:34] <Blissex> Roree: I prefer to download ISOs with things like BitTorrent, RSYNC or P2P like eDonkey because they do a running checksum of what they download.
[07:34] <Roree> i'm looking at the ubuntu wiki, but i can't find the kubuntu checksum
[07:34] <Roree> i might have to whack it on bit torrent tonight then. i just downloaded it through firefox yesterday
[07:35] <Blissex> Roree: use RSYNC, it will fix any problems it has without redownloading it. BT will do that too if you do it cleverly.
[07:37] <Blissex> Roree: If you beg I can find you an RSYNC URL to use.
[07:37] <Roree> please please please please please :)
[07:37] <Blissex> Roree: OK :-).
[07:37] <Roree> thank you :) i really appreciate it :)
[07:38] <Blissex> Roree: CD? DVD? Hoary? Breezy? i386? amd64? PPC?
[07:38] <apokryphos> cornicle guy -- heh, he's funny. "Doesn't know why"; ultimate spammer :D
[07:39] <Roree> CD, Breezy i386 (5.10)
[07:39] <Blissex> Roree: OK!
[07:39] <Roree> but i did burn the cd with a dvd burner (i guess that doesn't make much difference?)
[07:40] <rikva|laptop> How do I install w32codecs or something similair in Breezy?  It isn't in the multiverse...
[07:40] <apokryphos> !w32codecs
[07:40] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[07:41] <kkathman> hmmm kat doesnt seem to go out and index files...unless Im just not seeing it at all :)
[07:42] <Blissex> Roree: rsync -v -p -P -v SE.Releases.Ubuntu.com::ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/breezy/kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso 
[07:42] <rikva|laptop> thanks apokryphos 
[07:42] <Blissex> Roree: Try it now...
[07:44] <Roree> i get a weird smiley in that, after SE.Releases.Ubuntu.com: then it has the smiley. Is the next bit just "Ubuntu-releases/"?
[07:45] <Sonny_Wertzik> hi.
[07:46] <Roree> hmm, how do i actually do the RSYNC? :$
[07:46] <Blissex> Roree: configure your IRC client not to smilify... it is ''colon colon ubuntu-release''
[07:46] <Blissex> Roree: configure your IRC client not to smilify... it is ''colon colon ubuntu-releases''
[07:46] <Sonny_Wertzik> does anyony know if there is a way to get a tree view on left side and folders on the right side in konqueror?
[07:47] <Blissex> Roree: that's the full command you need to do.
[07:47] <Roree> yeh, i worked that out after copying and pasting :S
[07:47] <kkathman> Sonny_Wertzik:  yes
[07:47] <Sonny_Wertzik> kkathman, hi
[07:47] <kkathman> Sonny_Wertzik: launch Konq, press F9
[07:47] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[07:47] <Sonny_Wertzik> kkathman, kool thanx
[07:47] <Blissex> Roree: do that command in the directory in which you have the existing ISO.
[07:48] <Roree> i;m trying, but i can't write all the text. it stops me from writing the end of the file name
[07:48] <Sonny_Wertzik> kkathman, awsome! thank you
[07:48] <Sonny_Wertzik> kkathman, is there a way to save that configureation?
[07:49] <NetSKaVeN> anyone has the flashplayer-mozilla working with konqueror?
[07:50] <Blissex> Roree: well, type it in, use completion.
[07:51] <Blissex> Sonny_Wertzik: look at the profiles... You probably want the file management profile, not the web one.
[07:52] <Blissex> Sonny_Wertzik: there are three obvious meny entries in the 'Settings' menu related to profiles. Also, this is a pure KDE questions, there is another channel for that, #KDE.
[07:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> Blissex, is that in windoww specific settings?
[07:52] <hydrogen> hrm
[07:53] <hydrogen> If I want to compile my own kernel, but keep the friendly bootsplash and all that, is there anything special I need to do?
[07:53] <hyperactivecrond> ggrowl....... in Kmail, if i have received a pgp encrypted message it won't let me de-crypt it
[07:53] <Roree> Blissex: i'm getting confused here. i am in the command window, trying to use rsync, but it says its an invalid command
[07:54] <hyperactivecrond> automagically but i can save and gpg it manually
[07:54] <Blissex> Roree: 'apt-get install rsync' might help...
[07:54] <Roree> ooops, i forgot to say i'm in Windows :$ i don't think that works right?
[07:54] <Blissex> hydrogen: I think you need the bootsplash patch... The Kubuntu kernel has quite a few custom patches/extensions in it.
[07:55] <Blissex> Roree: you can get RSYNC for MS Windows. Have a look at the download section of http://RSYNC.Samba.org/
[07:55] <hydrogen> hrm
[07:56] <hydrogen> bootsplash patch is no problem
[07:56] <hydrogen> wasn't sure if that was all or what
[07:57] <luminoso> hey guys.. on my KDE i'am having "london" instead of date... how do i correct this?
[07:57] <qatsi> ohh im having so much trubles with my ATI card :S i need some help, could anyone plz ?...thanx
[07:57] <apokryphos> luminoso: hover over it, then scroll up
[07:57] <luminoso> qatsi, thanks!!!!!!!!
[07:57] <luminoso> finally!
[07:57] <Blissex> Roree: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ for a prepackages version of RSYNC for MS Windows.
[07:58] <qatsi> luminoso: ? you mean thanx != thanks ?
[07:58] <Roree> thanks, i was just getting confused trying to work out what to do with the package i had :d
[07:58] <Blissex> hydrogen: you can always get the ubuntu-patch package for your kernel
[07:58] <hydrogen> Blissex: cool
[07:58] <luminoso> qatsi, ??
[07:59] <qatsi> luminoso: you said "qatsi, thannks!!!!!!!!!!!".....
[07:59] <qatsi> please help my lost ATI soul :'( i cant play anything :S
[07:59] <luminoso> yap!!! i was having problems with this.. and so simple!!
[08:00] <qatsi> uhmmm...:'(
[08:00] <luminoso> what? :O
[08:01] <qatsi> i should have bought an nvidia :(
[08:01] <luminoso> yap! ndvidia rocks!
[08:01] <qatsi> and ati sucks :p
[08:01] <luminoso> ohh sorry.. i now understand what happend
[08:01] <_poison> hi ^^
[08:01] <luminoso> apokryphos, thanks!!!
[08:02] <qatsi> i dont have support for 3d gaming :(
[08:02] <luminoso> ohhh... ati=nvidia... i can't run medal of honor 2
[08:02] <_poison> can I install Kubuntu from a running System ? 
[08:02] <Roree> i'm going to have to give up on this for now. i'm getting too confused with rsync (ie. those packages are well confusing) and have to have dinner... :( thank you for the help Blissex, i'll keep hold of that link you gave me and try again later
[08:02] <apokryphos> _poison: eh?
[08:03] <_poison> apokryphos: I don't have a cdrom .... and it would be nice if I could install it from a chroot or something ...
[08:03] <Blissex> hydrogen: the package is actually called 'linux-patch-2.6.xxxx' BTW
[08:03] <apokryphos> !tell _poison about install
[08:03] <Blissex> hydrogen: the package is actually called 'linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.xxxx' BTW
[08:03] <_poison> apokryphos: thanks ...
[08:04] <Blissex> hydrogen: the latest seems to be 'linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.12'
[08:04] <hydrogen> yea
[08:04] <qatsi> apokryphos: do you know of any ati driver who works with 3d gaming ? i have fglrx and when i run glxgears i should get 700 or 1000 fps, i get about 32 :S
[08:05] <Blissex> qatsi: that means it is not properly installed. Check out #ATI
[08:05] <apokryphos> qatsi: nope, sorry -- wouldn't touch ATI :-O
[08:05] <qatsi> Blissex: thanx for the channel :)
[08:05] <hydrogen> EXS is nice
[08:05] <hydrogen> in xorg
[08:05] <hydrogen> but I think thats only 2d
[08:05] <qatsi> apokryphos: ha, i should have known about ati :p
[08:05] <Blissex> qatsi: also, if you have a 9200 or earlier you can use the DRI/DRM drivers, and if you have a 9600 you can use the experimental R300 driver.
[08:05] <Blissex> !ati
[08:05] <ubotu> methinks ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[08:06] <qatsi> Blissex: i have 9200 SE
[08:06] <Blissex> qatsi: then you can sure use the DRI/DRM open source drivers. The links above are for 'fglrx', and you need not have installed it. The 9200 SE is supported by default.
[08:06] <Blissex> !dri
[08:06] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Blissex
[08:06] <Blissex> !drm
[08:06] <ubotu> Not a clue, Blissex
[08:07] <Blissex> qatsi: just find any DRI/DRM/ATI HOWTO or tutorial (there are several) on how to enable DRI/DRM with the standard Xorg server and drivers.
[08:08] <qatsi> thank you a lot Blissex :)
[08:09] <hyperactivecrond> !ati
[08:09] <ubotu> somebody said ati was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[08:10] <hyperactivecrond> qatsi: ^^
[08:10] <hyperactivecrond> !xorg
[08:10] <ubotu> well, xorg is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:10] <hyperactivecrond> then do ^^
[08:10] <qatsi> hyperactivecrond: what :D ?
[08:11] <hyperactivecrond> qatsi: you're having the ati problem?
[08:11] <qatsi> hyperactivecrond: yes :( 
[08:11] <Blissex> qatsi: note that in your case the DRI/DRM drivers are a lot more convenient, as every time you upgrade kernel or X they get upgraded automagically and the config does not change. With the 'fglrx' driver you can have complications.
[08:11] <hyperactivecrond> !tell qatsi about ati
[08:12] <antony_> when i insert a cd or flash card, konqueror pops up a message like An error occurred while loading media:/sda1:... sda1 doesn not exist. is this fixed by the hal update in the /topic, or is something else not working?
[08:12] <hyperactivecrond> !tell qatsi about xorg
[08:12] <hyperactivecrond> qatsi: do the ati thing first
[08:12] <qatsi> ha, tell qatsi about buying good video cards :p
[08:12] <hyperactivecrond> then do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:12] <qatsi> hyperactivecrond: ahhh :s too much info, i have to take note :p
[08:13] <kkathman> anyone here run kat actively, I've set up the catalog but nothing seems to be happening
[08:16] <Tm_T> kkathman: it's quite alpha and beta
[08:17] <Tm_T> never got it working properly
[08:18] <antony_> when i insert a cd or flash card, konqueror pops up a message like An error occurred while loading media:/sda1:... sda1 doesn not exist. is this fixed by the hal update in the /topic, or is something else not working?
[08:18] <kkathman> Tm_T: ahh ok
[08:19] <kkathman> Tm_T: I set up the catalog...do I need to do something to get it start indexing?
[08:19] <qatsi> hyperactivecrond: ahhh no, i have xconfig :'( that was my main problem with gentoo :'(
[08:19] <Tm_T> kkathman: I have no idea
[08:19] <hyperactivecrond> qatsi: you're using kubuntu, rite?
[08:19] <qatsi> hyperactivecrond: yes
[08:19] <kkathman> hmmm
[08:20] <fis> hi all :)
[08:20] <hyperactivecrond> qatsi: dpkg-reconfigure comes wit kubuntu
[08:20] <qatsi> hyperactivecrond: so i just do that ?
[08:20] <hyperactivecrond> qatsi: did you do the ati thing yet?
[08:21] <qatsi> hyperactivecrond: in the ati thing they ask me to run fglrxconfig :p which is the xconfig thing :p
[08:21] <hyperactivecrond> !tell me about ati
[08:21] <djperegrine> whats new in KDE 3.5 ?
[08:21] <apokryphos> djperegrine: go to developer.kde.org and see teh changelog
[08:22] <hyperactivecrond> so just do the tutorial qatsi
[08:22] <qatsi> hyperactivecrond: ok, im at it :D
[08:22] <hyperactivecrond> :)
[08:24] <kkathman> apokryphos: you suggested kat today, and I seem to have a bit of an issue getting it to begin indexing..are you familiar with this?
[08:25] <djperegrine> apokryphos:  I don't see it
[08:28] <zalian> how can i cofigure request tracker
[08:28] <zalian> how can i cofigure request tracker
[08:29] <apokryphos> djperegrine: release schedules -> feature plan
[08:29] <apokryphos> kkathman: haven't used it in some time, sorry
[08:30] <qatsi> hyperactivecrond: my frame rate is variable....it has reached 1200 fps..so i suppose its ok
[08:30] <hyperactivecrond> mk qatsi
[08:31] <kkathman> well I will chalk kat up to another buggy KDE app then like Kopete
[08:31] <qatsi> hyperactivecrond: sorry, that was in 5 seconds :p max in 1 sec is about 250
[08:31] <hyperactivecrond> heh 
[08:31] <hyperactivecrond> kkathman: which app
[08:32] <libben> how do i restart eth1 ?
[08:33] <vonHalenbach> ifconfig eth1 stop
[08:33] <vonHalenbach> ifconfig eth1 start
[08:33] <qatsi> so now my computer should work with Warcraft III ?
[08:34] <hbrednek> I'm trying to get ubuntu loaded on a machine where I will be using RAID-1.  I was hoping to use Ubuntu's install to do this, but I cannot get past the "Partition Disks" screen.  It needs to be told that the raid device is /, which I would gladly do if I could.  Is there a way to tell it to use the raid device as /?
[08:34] <kkathman> hyperactivecrond: kat
[08:34] <hyperactivecrond> kat or kate?
[08:35] <kkathman> kate works fine
[08:35] <hyperactivecrond> ah 
[08:35] <hyperactivecrond> !kat
[08:35] <ubotu> hyperactivecrond: Not a clue
[08:37] <qatsi> hyperactivecrond: thank you very much, ill see what i can do to run warcraft :D bye bye !
[08:37] <hyperactivecrond> :? ok then
[08:38] <kkathman> hyperactivecrond: no problem
[08:38] <hyperactivecrond> oooooook
[08:38] <vonHalenbach> Has anyone tried a vnc connection over the Internet?
[08:39] <apokryphos> kkathman: what's wrong with kopete?
[08:39] <Tm_T> Kopete <3
[08:39] <kkathman> apokryphos: is, and always has been very buggy
[08:40] <Tm_T> kkathman: not here
[08:40] <kkathman> I stick with Gaim...its fine
[08:40] <apokryphos> never found Kopete buggy, except when using svn here rarely
[08:40] <regeya> vonHalenbach: I usually use ssh.  y'know, run vnc server on one machine, run sshd on it as well, start up a ssh session like ssh -C -L 127.0.0.1:5900:127.0.0.1 somebody@someother.machine then connect to 127.0.0.1 in vncclient
[08:40] <kkathman> good Tm_T glad you have no probs :)
[08:40] <Tm_T> :p
[08:40] <apokryphos> kkathman: what kind of problems?
[08:40] <regeya> running vnc over teh intarweb gives me the willies
[08:41] <djperegrine> Whats the best way to install mythfrontend?
[08:41] <kkathman> apokryphos: loading themes, duplicating buddy lists, 
[08:41] <vonHalenbach> Im just interested to try a testconnection without ssh.
[08:41] <hyperactivecrond> djperegrine: synaptic or apt-get
[08:42] <regeya> I really love how System Settings has a handbook menu item, but there's no help files.
[08:42] <djperegrine> hyperactivecrond: its not in the ubuntu repostory
[08:42] <hyperactivecrond> djperegrine: google it
[08:42] <hyperactivecrond> and get the dpkg format if availab
[08:42] <kkathman> Like I said, its ok, gaim works great, and they arent in trouble :)
[08:42] <regeya> I freakin' love it when kde apps offer help, then fail to deliver.  broken behavior imho
[08:42] <hyperactivecrond> le
[08:43] <dmlinux_> What are the advantages of KDE over gnome?
[08:43] <regeya> dmlinux_: that's an awfully big question :-)
[08:43] <dmlinux_> regeya thats why i ask
[08:44] <djperegrine> dmlinux_: its more about taste
[08:44] <dmlinux_> regeya no one every gives me opinions, they always say something like what you just said
[08:44] <regeya> dmlinux_: the simple way to put it is this:  if you want a clean and easy-to-use desktop, choose gnome.  if you want something that's usable but runs the risk of hitting you with feature overload, use kde.
[08:44] <regeya> dmlinux_: the simple way to put it is this:  if you want a clean and easy-to-use desktop, choose gnome.  if you want something that's usable but runs the risk of hitting you with feature overload, use kde.
[08:44] <dmlinux_> djperegrine, is tehere a site with Screenshots of only KDE?
[08:44] <kkathman> regeya: thats funny :)
[08:44] <regeya> dmlinux_: kde.org
[08:46] <dmlinux_> i run KDE stuff from gnome, it doesnt bother me that it all floats on my memory , i was just curious if it had anything that gnome didnt. i like gnome, very sleek , and neat
[08:47] <kkathman> dmlinux_: bottom line its just a matter of preference, there are many desktops (GUI) to choose from..find the one you like :)
[08:47] <dmlinux_> kk thanks all
[08:47] <regeya> dmlinux_: I personally chose to go back to KDE because I didn't care whether or not the apps I used met the requirements of some arbitrary HIG.  It bugs me that long after things were thrown out of GNOME apps because they didn't conform to the GNOME HIG, they still aren't back and don't seem to be coming back.  It bugs me that newer apps like, erm, don't remember the name but some media app that looks like it'll take the Rhyth
[08:47] <regeya>  bugs me that GNOME is doing the things that people used to accuse KDE of doing, yet it's all fine and dandy this time around.  Mostly, though, I just like KDE better.  I don't feel the need to run to an xterm as often, which I see as a good thing.
[08:48] <regeya> well, *that* was a wasted effort...
[08:50] <endo602> how can i tell whether my hp multifunction printer is working on this system?
[08:52] <kkathman> endo602: print to it?
[08:52] <endo602> i dont have ink
[08:52] <endo602> i just want to know if its configured
[08:53] <kkathman> endo602: did you install the drivers?
[08:54] <endo602> the packages were installed
[08:54] <kkathman> endo602: When you set the printer up, it gives you the option to print a test page
[08:54] <kkathman> endo602: well you still have to install the driver
[08:55] <kkathman> endo602: go to System Settings - Hardware - Printers
[08:55] <endo602> i see it
[08:55] <endo602> its on my other system
[08:55] <endo602> so i guess i gotta wait
[08:56] <endo602> until my wife is done with her game to setup the printer
[08:56] <endo602> thanks bro
[08:56] <kkathman> np
[08:56] <endo602> it wasnt set up
[08:56] <endo602> ill do it as soon as possible
[08:56] <endo602> by the wya
[08:56] <endo602> i formatted that USB drive to fat32
[08:56] <kkathman> yah, loading install files isnt enough...still have to set it up...usually with cups
[08:56] <endo602> and not deal
[08:57] <endo602> i use samba to network with my desktop
[09:00] <endo602> has anyone tried changing the icon for kmenu?
[09:00] <endo602> its not working for me
[09:01] <kkathman> endo602: I use samba also, my printer is actually connected to my winbox, and I use cups to print through it
[09:01] <endo602> cups?
[09:04] <kkathman> endo602:  yes cups...its installed standard on your system
[09:04] <endo602> where can i find it
[09:04] <kkathman> endo602: you dont need to "find it" its there 
[09:04] <endo602> oh
[09:04] <endo602> so i just set it up?
[09:05] <endo602> and all is fine?
[09:06] <endo602> kkathman: can i pm you>
[09:06] <endo602> ?
[09:10] <kkathman> endo602:  sure
[09:12] <kkathman> endo602: having the files installed on the system, is kinda like having a cd. The files are now there, but you still have to go through the process of adding the printer, and telling the system where it is, and how to access it
[09:14] <vonHalenbach> libben : Has it worked?
[09:18] <libben> is alt+f2 having the same $PATH as the terminal has?
[09:19] <hyperactivecrond> libben: yes?
[09:20] <libben> so why isnt it allways give me a error about something on the torrent when i try to download them when started it thru alt f2. but when i start from terminal its all ok
[09:20] <libben> isnt == is it =)
[09:26] <Blissex> libben: the same path a terminal had when you logged in.
[09:28] <kkathman> sorry endo602 I stepped away a moment...just got your PM
[09:28] <endo602> no worries
[09:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> hi guys
[09:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> look at this
[09:29] <wotnarg> wow... artsd one even start for me atm :p
[09:29] <vonHalenbach> hi Tallia
[09:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> Using compiler "/usr/bin/gcc". Use environment variable CC to override.
[09:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "3.4.5", while you are trying to use
[09:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.0.2". This configuration is not supported and VMware
[09:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> Workstation cannot work in such configuration. Please either recompile your
[09:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kernel with "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.0.2", or restart /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl
[09:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> with CC environment variable pointing to the "gcc" version "3.4.5".
[09:29] <endo602> anyone get their USB pendrive to work?'
[09:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i never recompile the kernel
[09:29] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> is it a tricky and long operation?
[09:29] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB: please read the topic, and dont flood...put that in a pastebin
[09:30] <wotnarg> endo602: Mine works just fine.
[09:30] <endo602> what you got?
[09:30] <endo602> what company
[09:30] <wotnarg> errmmm... 'ep memory', and lexar, but it doesnt matter
[09:30] <endo602> because my lexar is not working
[09:30] <wotnarg> They should all work if they are standard flashdrives
[09:30] <wotnarg> whats not working about it?
[09:31] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> isn't possible to download a precompiled version of the kernel?
[09:31] <endo602> when i plug in konq pops up with error
[09:31] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> like the one that ubuntu gave me when i installed the system several months ago?
[09:31] <wotnarg> Tallia1-KubuntuB: yea...
[09:31] <wotnarg> Tallia1-KubuntuB: apt-get install linux-image-blah
[09:31] <endo602> The file or folder media:/sba1 does not exist
[09:31] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i haven't got time for recompile..
[09:31] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and which must be the blah....
[09:31] <wotnarg> endo602: go to konsole, and try 'sudo mount /dev/sda1'
[09:32] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i need a kernel compiled with the last gcc
[09:32] <wotnarg> like, 4.0?
[09:32] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> yes
[09:32] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> 4.0.2
[09:32] <wotnarg> all kubuntu kernels will be then
[09:32] <wotnarg> open adept
[09:32] <wotnarg> and install one
[09:33] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i'm opening synaptics now
[09:33] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> why when i upgraded the system the kernel haven't been?
[09:33] <wotnarg> endo602: any luck?
[09:33] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ( updated to breezy )
[09:33] <endo602> Password:
[09:33] <endo602> mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[09:33] <wotnarg> Erm, it should have. I'm not sure why it didnt.
[09:33] <wotnarg> endo602: paste your fstab in a pastebin?
[09:33] <endo602> how
[09:33] <wotnarg> paste.ubuntu.nl
[09:34] <wotnarg> I believe is one of them
[09:34] <wotnarg> paste it, then post the address.
[09:34] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB: tell me about your upgrade... what were you on before and how did you upgrade?
[09:34] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> wotnarg: i alredy have them installed
[09:34] <endo602> ok
[09:34] <endo602> how do i get my fstab
[09:34] <wotnarg> cat /etc/fstab
[09:34] <wotnarg> Tallia1-KubuntuB: So whats the problem?
[09:34] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i were on hoary and i substitute repositories with breezy
[09:34] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB: then what
[09:34] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> that i can't install vmware because it requires a gcc 4 compiled kernel
[09:35] <kkathman> did you have vmware under hoary?
[09:35] <_jorge_> alguem fala portugues ou espang=hol?
[09:35] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> yes, but i deleted it now.. i downloaded the new version
[09:35] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and i am trying to install it on the new system
[09:35] <kkathman> Kubuntu or ubuntu?
[09:35] <Blissex> _jorge_: #Ubuntu-es or similar for PT/BR
[09:35] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kubuntu
[09:35] <wotnarg> _jorge_: #kubuntu-es 
[09:36] <endo602> no such cat wotnarg
[09:36] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kkathman: what do you suggest me?
[09:36] <wotnarg> endo602: cat /etc/fstab returns an error?
[09:36] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB: no clue, but sounds like vmware has some major restrictions
[09:37] <vonHalenbach> sudo cat /etc/fstab
[09:37] <endo602> got it
[09:37] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> how can i check which version of the kernel have been loaded on boot?
[09:37] <wotnarg> vonHalenbach: For future reference, you dont need sudo to cat that file ;)
[09:37] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and is runnign now?
[09:37] <wotnarg> uname -r
[09:37] <vonHalenbach> oh. Thanks
[09:39] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ?
[09:39] <endo602> wotnarg
[09:39] <wotnarg> Tallia1-KubuntuB: uname -r in a console will give you ther version your running.
[09:39] <endo602> i just put it in pm
[09:39] <wotnarg> ok
[09:39] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> 2.6.12-9-386
[09:39] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> it is the correct one
[09:39] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> but why it is not compiled with the new gcc?
[09:39] <endo602> tell me what you think
[09:40] <wotnarg> endo602: yea, its not in there. do you know what device your usb drive is in?
[09:40] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB: I think the breezy kernel is like 2.6.12 something
[09:40] <vonHalenbach> endo : Is it a brand new usbpen ?
[09:40] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> 2.6.12-9-386
[09:40] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB: its 2.6.12-9
[09:40] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kkathman: yes,... but why it is not compiled with gcc 4? 
[09:41] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kkathman: i have that!
[09:41] <vonHalenbach> Have you used it with another computer ?
[09:41] <wotnarg> endo602: try: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 -t vfat
[09:41] <wotnarg> endo602: first do sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1 though
[09:41] <vonHalenbach> Is a filesystem on it?
[09:42] <wotnarg> vonHalenbach: They come formatted, so that shouldn't be a problem.
[09:42] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB: it is compiled with 4...the current gcc is 4.0.1-3
[09:42] <vonHalenbach> I know.
[09:42] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kkathman: what can i do?
[09:42] <endo602> done wotnarg
[09:42] <endo602> what now?
[09:42] <wotnarg> endo602: It work?
[09:42] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB: check with vmware maybe?
[09:43] <wotnarg> endo602: aka did it return nothing but a prompt?
[09:43] <endo602> nope
[09:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kkathman: ?
[09:43] <kkathman> yes?
[09:43] <wotnarg> endo602: What did it return?
[09:43] <endo602> nothing
[09:43] <endo602> then i did it again and got
[09:43] <endo602> levi@Laptop:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 -t vfat
[09:43] <endo602> levi@Laptop:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 -t vfat
[09:43] <endo602> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /mnt/sda1 busy
[09:43] <endo602> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /mnt/sda1
[09:43] <endo602> sorry
[09:43] <wotnarg> yea
[09:43] <endo602> about the paste
[09:44] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kkathman: i don't understand
[09:44] <wotnarg> so it worked
[09:44] <endo602> nice
[09:44] <wotnarg> endo602: When you do mount, and nothing is shown, it means it worked.
[09:44] <endo602> now what do i do
[09:44] <endo602> cool
[09:44] <wotnarg> It is now mounted in /mnt/sda1
[09:44] <wotnarg> but, for later
[09:44] <wotnarg> do sudo nano /etc/fstab, or sudo kwrite /etc/fstab
[09:44] <endo602> how do i access it
[09:44] <wotnarg> or whatever edit you like
[09:44] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB: do you know how to use google?  Here is exactly what you need to know:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75895.html
[09:45] <endo602> ok
[09:45] <endo602> then
[09:45] <wotnarg> and then add the line: /dev/sda1       /mnt/sda1       vfat    rw,user         0       0
[09:45] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> how can i set a temporary environment variable CC that points to gcc3.4?
[09:45] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB: see my previous post
[09:46] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i saw
[09:46] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB: follow that link..it tells you what t do
[09:46] <endo602> done
[09:47] <endo602> next?
[09:47] <wotnarg> endo602: Ok, do umount /mnt/sda1, then do sudo mount /mnt/sda1
[09:47] <wotnarg> err
[09:47] <wotnarg> no sudo on second one
[09:47] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kkathman: tnx
[09:47] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kkathman: bye
[09:47] <wotnarg> mount /mnt/sda1, not sudo
[09:48] <endo602> ummm
[09:48] <endo602> no command unmount
[09:48] <wotnarg> bleh, I totally messed that one up
[09:48] <endo602> sorry
[09:48] <wotnarg> do: sudo umount /mnt/sda1; mount /mnt/sda1
[09:48] <wotnarg> there we go :p
[09:48] <endo602> ive got mad newbality
[09:49] <endo602> check pm
[09:49] <wotnarg> endo602: Its umount, not unmount. Thats not a spelling error ;p
[09:49] <endo602> sorry
[09:50] <kkathman> endo602: everyone is a newbie at some point
[09:50] <wotnarg> yup
[09:51] <kkathman> endo602: but the way you learn is to research, use google, and try..see what works
[09:52] <endo602> ok
[09:52] <endo602> i did that
[09:52] <sector10> hi
[09:52] <endo602> with my resolution
[09:52] <wotnarg> it return nothing?
[09:52] <endo602> yeah
[09:52] <endo602> nothing
[09:52] <wotnarg> ok
[09:52] <endo602> nice
[09:52] <wotnarg> go to konq
[09:52] <wotnarg> and do
[09:52] <wotnarg> file:///mnt/sda
[09:52] <wotnarg> sda1
[09:52] <wotnarg> and there your flashdrive should be.
[09:52] <endo602> BRAVO
[09:52] <sector10> anybody have any issues runnin kubuntu alongside ubuntu, im about to install kubuntu?
[09:53] <endo602> now can i hook thqat up to my mount/unmount applet?
[09:53] <wotnarg> hopefully your applet should work now.
[09:54] <vonHalenbach> sector10 : What kind of soundcard do you have?
[09:54] <sector10> intell on vaio
[09:54] <sector10> it will work
[09:54] <kkathman> YAY congrats endo602  :)
[09:55] <sector10> whats kde like?
[09:55] <endo602> thanks man
[09:55] <endo602> wotnarg
[09:55] <endo602> it aint
[09:55] <vonHalenbach> ok . i had problems with a isa pnp soundcard
[09:55] <wotnarg> applet still doesnt work?
[09:55] <sector10> ive used kde in suse, is it as nice?
[09:55] <wotnarg> kde is fairly standard over the distros, sector10.
[09:55] <sector10> vonHalenbach: isa well 
[09:55] <vonHalenbach> I used suse 80 bevore.
[09:56] <endo602> yes
[09:56] <wotnarg> endo602: Is that a yes it doesnt work, or a yes it does work.
[09:56] <endo602> doesnt
[09:56] <vonHalenbach> sector10: Wir knnen auch deutsch reden.
[09:56] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kkathman: i need the linux headers for the kernel.. in which package are them ?
[09:56] <endo602> its the storage media applet right?
[09:56] <wotnarg> endo602: Does it give an error?
[09:56] <sector10> vonHalenbach: ein bischen
[09:57] <sector10> vonHalenbach: es gebt auch kubuntu auf deutsche
[09:57] <sector10> wotnarg: are the ubuntu changes to kde for the better?
[09:57] <vonHalenbach> switch back to english
[09:58] <endo602> gives same error as before when i unplug and plug back in
[09:58] <endo602> but then when i mount again
[09:58] <endo602> it works
[09:58] <endo602> the applet doesnt work
[09:58] <wotnarg> sector10: I'd say so.
[09:58] <vonHalenbach> wotnarg: automounter ?
[09:58] <wotnarg> vonHalenbach: hrm
[09:59] <wotnarg> endo602: Whats the error when plugging it in?
[09:59] <sector10> wotnarg: have you had any issues switching back and forth from gnome?
[09:59] <vonHalenbach> hrm ?
[09:59] <wotnarg> sector10: In hoary, no, breezy, havnt tried it yet.
[09:59] <wotnarg> vonHalenbach: What did you mean by automounter?
[09:59] <endo602> that same media:/sda1 does not exist
[10:00] <wotnarg> hrm
[10:00] <wotnarg> do
[10:00] <wotnarg> sudo mkdir /media/sda1
[10:00] <wotnarg> and see if it works
[10:00] <vonHalenbach> is the automounter for automatic mounting of memorysticks?
[10:00] <sector10> wotnarg: when i tried kubuntu last the fonts looked poor or worse than ubuntu anyway
[10:00] <sector10> wotnarg: maybe ill just install it
[10:00] <sector10> thanks
[10:00] <wotnarg> vonHalenbach: I'm not sure. In kde3.5beta, it has an automounter built in, so I'm not familiar with the applet.
[10:00] <endo602> that worked
[10:01] <wotnarg> endo602: Now does the applet work?
[10:01] <wotnarg> sector10: Did you install the qt-gtk theme converter package?
[10:01] <vonHalenbach> I use Kubuntu 5.10 RC . And on my computer it mouts automaticly.
[10:01] <endo602> well if the applet is the one i am thinking about it isnt
[10:01] <endo602> i got storage media applet on
[10:03] <endo602> that is the right applet\
[10:03] <endo602> but its not mounting on there
[10:03] <wotnarg> hrm
[10:04] <sector10> no
[10:04] <wotnarg> So when you plug it in, does a window pop up and ask you what to do with the usb drive?
[10:04] <sector10> wotnarg: whats that
[10:04] <wotnarg> sector10: lemme find name
[10:04] <endo602> no
[10:04] <endo602> it doesnt
[10:05] <wotnarg> sector10: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt <this makes your gtk apps look like qt ones, and it converts fonts.
[10:05] <sector10> cool
[10:05] <sector10> great
[10:05] <wotnarg> endo602: I dunno then. If all else fails you can just mount/umount it manually.
[10:05] <sector10> ill install it first
[10:05] <endo602> alright
[10:05] <endo602> that sux
[10:05] <endo602> but i guess it will work
[10:05] <endo602> thanks man
[10:06] <wotnarg> sector10: It most likely only works when running qt though, so you wont see any change in gnome.
[10:06] <wotnarg> endo602: Sorry I can't help more, but I'm not even running the same kde version, so this is all from memory ;/
[10:06] <sector10> of course.
[10:06] <blackflag> hello all :-)
[10:06] <sector10> just doing it so i dont forget
[10:06] <wotnarg> blackflag: sup?
[10:06] <wotnarg> sector10: yea ;)
[10:06] <sector10> thanks take care
[10:06] <blackflag> sup? what do you mean?
[10:07] <sector10> by the way bzflag is still broke
[10:07] <sector10> in debian
[10:07] <sector10> also the real player installer is a joke
[10:07] <sector10> best to get from real.com
[10:08] <blackflag> I have problem with gpg
[10:08] <blackflag> I tried to send signed mails inline so m4 users can easily read this message
[10:09] <blackflag> its always attached
[10:09] <blackflag> encypted mails inline are okay
[10:10] <blackflag> so how can I tell gpg or kmail to send inline gpg signewd messages inline and not attached?
[10:10] <endo602> im going to restart x to see
[10:11] <blackflag> has someone an idea??
[10:13] <endo602> still no good
[10:14] <PabloK> hi
[10:14] <vonHalenbach> blackflag: http://gpg-installation.key.priv.at/gpg-installation_kmail.html
[10:14] <PabloK> somebody can help me?
[10:15] <blackflag> hmm, thanks, but tzhis is not the problem
[10:16] <blackflag> the problem is that when I use " inlinePGP" and sign a mail
[10:16] <blackflag> the sign is attached and not inline
[10:17] <vonHalenbach> Da bin ich glatt berfordert.
[10:17] <blackflag> so this thing dont function correctly it seems
[10:17] <PabloK> I have a "little" problem with my root passsw
[10:17] <wotnarg> PabloK: You forgot it? :p
[10:17] <blackflag> and how I say it, when I send encrypted mails inline all is okay
[10:18] <blackflag> only "inline signing" not
[10:18] <vonHalenbach> Im sorry . I cant help you.
[10:18] <blackflag> I mean when I only sign a mail not with encryption
[10:19] <PabloK> wotnarg: no, when I installed kubuntu, I never get the chance to set it
[10:19] <blackflag> hmm, schade
[10:19] <vonHalenbach> When a mail is only singed , it is not encrypted.
[10:19] <wotnarg> PabloK: Its your user password. Root is disabled, so you use sudo for everything.
[10:19] <blackflag> yes I know. There is no need to discuss that
[10:20] <endo602> wotnarg
[10:20] <endo602> dood thanks so much
[10:20] <vonHalenbach> Then i dont know.
[10:20] <wotnarg> endo602: No problem :)
[10:20] <blackflag> again, I will sent a signed mail inline and this is not running  
[10:20] <blackflag> the sign is always attached
[10:21] <PabloK> wotnarg: thanx
[10:21] <wotnarg> PabloK: Nps ;)
[10:23] <vonHalenbach> blackflag: I dont understand the term "inline".
[10:23] <vonHalenbach> What do you mean by that.
[10:24] <vonHalenbach> Do you mean inhouse communication?
[10:24] <blackflag> when you use kmail there is the possibilityy to send signed and encrypted mails in line
[10:25] <blackflag> so other nad older clients can read such messages
[10:25] <blackflag> like M$ -users with outlook
[10:26] <blackflag> I dont know it correcly but I asume that it is in mail body
[10:27] <blackflag> when you use normal pgp in kmail
[10:27] <blackflag> outlook users has this messages attached
[10:28] <wotnarg> sheesh... kde3.5 artsd sucks. I set amarok to output to oss, and screwed artsd entirely, and my cpu level went down by 50% :p
[10:28] <blackflag> when you sent it inline to them , the mail client can read this mail easy
[10:28] <blackflag> so there is no need to open it with other applications or save the mail first
[10:29] <blackflag> and how  I say it, with inline encrypted mails it works
[10:29] <vonHalenbach> I think what you describe as inline is the normal behavior of Kmail.
[10:29] <blackflag> no
[10:30] <blackflag> I have some M$ users around ;-)
[10:30] <blackflag> and its difficult to them to open such mails
[10:30] <blackflag> I want to make it easy for them to use encryption
[10:31] <vonHalenbach> Do we discuss Ms outlook or Kmail?
[10:31] <blackflag> and to say them how easy it is with linux
[10:31] <blackflag> kmail
[10:31] <blackflag> inline pgp using
[10:32] <vonHalenbach> Encryption and decryption is includet in Kmail.
[10:32] <blackflag> I think you dont understand me
[10:32] <vonHalenbach> It is very easy (if it is alreddy set up).
[10:33] <blackflag> hello ::: sending signed mails inline!! thats the issue!
[10:33] <vonHalenbach> You dont have to go on the commandline do decrypt a recived email.
[10:34] <vonHalenbach> I have set this up with gpg and Kmail once.
[10:34] <chi> install kleopatra and you're pretty much all set
[10:35] <kkathman> kleopatra?? lol
[10:35] <blackflag> ftp-client
[10:36] <kkathman> I use KBear for and FTP Client
[10:36] <kkathman> Konqueror is good for FTP also
[10:37] <kkathman> Konq is the simplest too
[10:37] <blackflag> kleopatra is good with sFTP
[10:37] <kkathman> Konq works with most other applications too
[10:39] <asraniel> i have a laptop question. the battery only lasts 1.30 hours under linux, but with windows 4 hours. what can i do? i alread lowered the backlight (is there a utility that does that? or can i only use the buttons on the laptop?) and im not realy sure that cpu freq scalling works..
[10:40] <kkathman> asraniel: I would first, check the running processes and see if you have some runaway resources
[10:42] <asraniel> kkathman: whatever a runaway resource is. x.org needs 20% of the cpu, and expect that there is nothing interesting
[10:42] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> hey guys, i have this request: 
[10:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[10:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]    
[10:43] <__2> Someone know why kaffeine close on open with avi files (installed kaffeine-xine and codecs)
[10:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> which package have i to install? is it possible that the headers are inserted in another direcotry?
[10:44] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB: what package are you trying to download
[10:44] <zan_d> hello
[10:44] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kkathman: vmware in order to be compiled requires the headers..
[10:44] <kkathman> Hello zan_d
[10:44] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kkathman: and i don't know where to find them
[10:45] <zan_d> i have a laptop with a busted cd drive
[10:45] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB: ok, so what package do you need?
[10:45] <zan_d> so i pulled the hd out, and put it in a desktop machine
[10:45] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> linux headers?
[10:45] <zan_d> installed there and then put it back in the laptop
[10:45] <chi> Tallia1-KubuntuB: seach for linux or kernel headers
[10:45] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB:  you might could find out in #ubuntu
[10:45] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i installed them
[10:45] <zan_d> it appears that the normal grub boot entry has some wierd display configuration
[10:45] <zan_d> that thinks the screen is longer than it is
[10:45] <zan_d> but the recoveruy booth i guess works
[10:46] <zan_d> what is the difference between recovery mode and normal?
[10:47] <zan_d> or can i just use the recovery mode as default
[10:48] <_liquidbinary_> zan_d: recovery mode seems to drop you into a root shell so you can fix any problems before runlevel 2
[10:48] <zan_d> ahh
[10:48] <zan_d> so i just hit ctrl-d
[10:49] <_liquidbinary_> yes
[10:49] <zan_d> and it booted, but worked
[10:49] <asraniel> hmm, does someone know how i can find out how to make cpu frequence scalling work on a centrino laptop? or where do i find error messages why it doesent work?
[10:56] <vonHalenbach> bye
[10:56] <yhager> I'm having problems with kmail ever since upgrading to breezy. Can anyone help?
[10:57] <chi> asraniel: check dmesg for any msgs. 
[11:02] <_andrea> hi guys
[11:02] <unsurreal> hello
[11:02] <_andrea> :-) ok seems that my kubuntu connexts properly
[11:03] <_andrea> i've finished installing and playing arounf
[11:03] <_andrea> d
[11:03] <unsurreal> questions i assume?
[11:03] <_andrea> not for the moment :-)
[11:03] <_andrea> everything went fine ;-)
[11:03] <unsurreal> lol
[11:03] <_andrea> I had problems with suse 10
[11:03] <unsurreal> try playing a windows avi :P
[11:03] <_andrea> ahahahah
[11:03] <unsurreal> first time linux or no?
[11:03] <_andrea> i left mplayer for another day......
[11:04] <_andrea> nope used suse and mandrake for about 1 year
[11:04] <sector10> hi
[11:04] <_andrea> hi sector
[11:04] <sector10> i got a couple small problems new install
[11:04] <_andrea> I just installed java and flash for the moment
[11:04] <_andrea> let's see if a newbie can help 
[11:04] <Elsan> AmaroK stops working when I have playlist in GNOME. I have no idea if it does the same in KDE. I can't use Rhythmbox because it also bugs in GNOME.
[11:05] <sector10> on opening firefox error /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork cannot be found
[11:05] <crimsun> install it.
[11:05] <N6REJ> apokryphos: you here?
[11:05] <sector10> also my fonts dont look as good as in ubuntu
[11:05] <crimsun> sector10: so adjust the fonts settings
[11:05] <_andrea> for the fonts...
[11:05] <sector10> crimsun: to what?
[11:05] <_andrea> try playing with subpixel hinting
[11:06] <_andrea> i found rgb is the best on my monitor
[11:06] <crimsun> sector10: use whatever you find makes it look better
[11:06] <_andrea> but it really depends on the monitor
[11:06] <_andrea> I've got an lcd of a laptop here
[11:06] <sector10> its a notebook
[11:06] <_andrea> which one sector
[11:06] <sector10> right now i got dejavu sans
[11:06] <sector10> sony vaio
[11:07] <_andrea> uhm you could give a try to msttcorefont
[11:07] <_andrea> lol same as mine
[11:07] <_andrea> grx416G
[11:07] <_andrea> 17'' monitor
[11:07] <sector10> _andrea: vgn-fs660?w
[11:07] <sector10> _andrea: mine is with nvidia and widescreen
[11:07] <_andrea> uhm the same of my bro
[11:07] <_andrea> the little white one ?
[11:08] <_andrea> very mac look alike ?
[11:08] <sector10> msttcorefonts wont change the desktop or menus
[11:08] <sector10> yes
[11:08] <sector10> it looks like an ibook a little
[11:08] <_andrea> yep will install linux on it next week :-)
[11:08] <sector10> ipw2200 is a nightmare
[11:08] <_andrea> i tried the live and got some problems
[11:09] <sector10> works only on ubuntu because its eht0
[11:09] <sector10> eth0
[11:09] <_andrea> ipw2200 ? wifi ?
[11:09] <sector10> on other distros its second as eth1 and will not work
[11:09] <sector10> yes
[11:09] <sector10> it needs to be detected first 
[11:09] <_andrea> weird....thi wifi is weird
[11:09] <_andrea> i tried suse on my vaio and didn't configure wifi
[11:09] <sector10> the vaio bios is buggy
[11:09] <_andrea> kubuntu did it
[11:09] <sector10> fuk suse
[11:10] <_andrea> ahahahah
[11:10] <sector10> i tried for 3 days 
[11:10] <_andrea> it was my first distro :-)
[11:10] <sector10> me too
[11:10] <_andrea> 9.0
[11:10] <sector10> 6.1
[11:10] <_andrea> wow
[11:10] <sector10> so i know something
[11:10] <_andrea> i guess im much more newbie than you :-)
[11:10] <sector10> but no the wireless
[11:10] <_andrea> well I'll tell u
[11:10] <_andrea> i tried 3 diferent wifi card
[11:10] <sector10> its a charade of having to go back and forth in yast 
[11:10] <_andrea> with suse
[11:11] <_andrea> and non worked
[11:11] <_andrea> none
[11:11] <_andrea> i guess its a problem of suse
[11:11] <sector10> i would not bother 
[11:11] <sector10> it will work if you pay them maybe
[11:12] <_andrea> eheheh probably
[11:12] <sector10> i think its broke on purpose
[11:12] <_andrea> yep I would really be curious to see the pay versionb
[11:12] <sector10> all they have to do is patch the kernel
[11:12] <sector10> ipw2200 is not even part of opensuse
[11:12] <sector10> or is the firmware
[11:12] <_andrea> did u give a try to ndiswrapper
[11:13] <_andrea> ?
[11:13] <sector10> no took too long
[11:13] <asraniel> is there a config file for powernowd??
[11:13] <sector10> i need to work
[11:13] <_andrea> same problem here
[11:13] <_andrea> what do you do ?
[11:13] <_andrea> i do mainly maths with gretl and R
[11:13] <sector10> _andrea: there is a site for ubuntu laptop testers
[11:14] <_andrea> uhm also for kubuntu ?
[11:15] <_andrea> ....i really enjoy kde over gnome
[11:16] <sector10> _andrea: im a teacher
[11:16] <sector10> me too
[11:16] <_andrea> how do u send pvt msg ?? :-) can't remeber the command
[11:17] <sector10> right click on name
[11:17] <sector10> open dialog window
[11:17] <sector10> what fonts are your desktop font settings in kubuntu?
[11:18] <_andrea> i got verdana 12
[11:18] <_andrea> with RGB subpixel hinting
[11:18] <_andrea> looks very nice
[11:19] <N6REJ> _andrea: right click on their nick 
[11:20] <troth> i have downloaded a tarball and extracteded it to my desktop, it created a folder as expected but im not sure what to do next pls help
[11:20] <logikal> ok guys
[11:20] <N6REJ> troth: look inside for a README or INSTALL follow those instructions
[11:20] <_andrea> troth...is there a configure file ?
[11:20] <logikal> How do i install ATI's accelerated video drivers?
[11:20] <_andrea> then you better read the install file
[11:21] <sector10> _andrea: do you see private message window?
[11:21] <_andrea> yes....desperatly trying to find an accept button :-D
[11:21] <sector10> crap i was on ubuntu irc just now sorry
[11:21] <troth> i dont see a readme, install, or config file
[11:22] <_andrea> troth....what is this ?
[11:22] <troth> easy ubuntu
[11:22] <asraniel> could it be that powernowd doesent change the cpu frequency because my cpu load never gets under 20% which is the default value for lowering cpu frequency
[11:22] <_andrea> then it's an executable script
[11:22] <elcuco> btw, who's the chick on the front page of kubuntu's web page?
[11:22] <_andrea> you'd better read the website help
[11:23] <_andrea> ahahahah shes nice imho ;-)
[11:23] <N6REJ> lol
[11:23] <_andrea> but i dont know who she is
[11:23] <_andrea> can you introduce me :-D
[11:23] <sector10> verdana is better
[11:23] <troth> says this Download Easy Ubuntu and extract it (double click on EasyUbuntu-2.1.tar.gz). Go into the EasyUbuntu directory and double click on the EasyUbuntu file. You're asked for your password.
[11:24] <troth> but when i try to open the file nothing happens
[11:24] <sector10> someone please help with the firefox error in kubuntu
[11:24] <_andrea> sector i've got no problems with firefox !!?!
[11:24] <sector10> i get an error that ubuntu-artwork cannot be found
[11:24] <elcuco> can anyone help confirm http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17287 ?
[11:24] <troth> the only easyubuntu file is a shell script, what do i do with that?
[11:25] <sector10> firefox works i just dont want to see the stupid error
[11:25] <_andrea> there should be a spacif message on ubuntu forums
[11:25] <_andrea> specific
[11:25] <_andrea> something like firefox instability adressed
[11:25] <sector10> maybe it does same thing in ubuntu ill check
[11:25] <troth> sector10 = go into prefereces and set a home page
[11:25] <sector10> ok
[11:25] <troth> happened tyo me
[11:25] <_andrea> ohhhh ok
[11:26] <_andrea> he cant find the local homepage graphics
[11:26] <troth> _andrea: correct
[11:26] <sector10> works
[11:26] <sector10> stupid bug
[11:26] <_andrea> eheheh we need lot of patience with those penguins...
[11:27] <_andrea> (ehm i know my english sounds terrible probably...im from italy)
[11:27] <troth> _andrea: im surprised that I actually just helped someone
[11:27] <_andrea> :-) it happens
[11:27] <_andrea> uhm how do u make those little pvt msg ?
[11:28] <_andrea> cant get the right command :-/
[11:28] <sector10> i just sent you a message andrea
[11:28] <troth> ok, so what do i do with a shell script file?
[11:28] <thehil>  how do I enable spell check in GNOME?
[11:28] <_andrea> uhm usually:
[11:28] <_andrea> a. check if it has the right permissions
[11:28] <sector10> go to my name and right click
[11:28] <_andrea> with ls -l from shell
[11:28] <_andrea> in the directory
[11:29] <troth> k
[11:29] <_andrea> if it doesn't contain an x 
[11:29] <_andrea> chmod +x nameofthefile
[11:29] <troth> what directory should i usually extract things to, if any?
[11:29] <_andrea> what you like
[11:29] <troth> it extracts to the desktop by default
[11:29] <_andrea> i usually extract in my download folder
[11:29] <troth> ok i see
[11:30] <_andrea> just to clean the mess
[11:30] <_andrea> then point b
[11:30] <_andrea> you tipe 
[11:30] <_andrea> sudo ./nameofthefile
[11:31] <_andrea> guys i just discovered no mplayer in the repositories :-//
[11:31] <_andrea> I'll have to spend tim eon it :-D
[11:32] <troth> _andrea: says this drwxr-xr-x
[11:32] <_andrea> ok it's executable
[11:32] <_andrea> then 
[11:32] <_andrea> type
[11:32] <_andrea> sudo ./nameofit
[11:32] <troth> k
[11:33] <_andrea> is mplayer out of repos for license problems ?
[11:33] <asraniel> is there somewhere a config file for powernowd?
[11:33] <moj> has anyone else had problems getting wep to work in the kde wireless config?
[11:33] <_andrea> uhm asraniel don't really know it
[11:33] <troth> _andrea: sudo ./drwxr-xr-x or sudo ./EasyUbuntu ?
[11:33] <_andrea> nope everything fine with my dlink pcmcia
[11:34] <_andrea> the second one troth
[11:34] <moj> I have a dlink pcmcia too.
[11:34] <moj> everything works fine without encryption.
[11:34] <_andrea> then all you need to do
[11:34] <moj> when I use wep, then I can't connect.
[11:34] <_andrea> is put the essid name and wep password
[11:34] <_andrea> or at least it worked here
[11:35] <moj> I'll try again.
[11:35] <moj> wonder what I'm doing wrong then...
[11:35] <_andrea> did u check the settings ?
[11:35] <_andrea> like dhcp etc ?
[11:36] <_andrea> uhm just curious ....anybody from italy ?
[11:36] <moj> yes.
[11:36] <moj> dhcp works fine..
[11:36] <asraniel> pff, i cannot remove powernowd, because kubuntu-desktop has it as a dependecy
[11:36] <logikal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[11:36] <moj> the only change I make is enable encryption..
[11:36] <logikal> I see no driver for breezy on there
[11:36] <logikal> what can i do?
[11:36] <_andrea> weird moj i've got dwl-650+
[11:36] <moj> then I add the key.
[11:36] <_andrea> and the essid name
[11:37] <moj> I have the same one (no plus)
[11:37] <troth> _andrea: gives this error http://pastebin.ca/26411
[11:37] <moj> yes. essid name was same.
[11:37] <_andrea> it didnt' work before i inserted the name of the spot i wanted to get connected to
[11:38] <_andrea> uhm....
[11:38] <moj> you mean the router?
[11:38] <_andrea> i think so,....did you give a name to your wifi network ?
[11:38] <_andrea> i named mine bartsimpson
[11:38] <moj> yes. I did.
[11:39] <moj> I put that in the essid name.
[11:39] <_andrea> yes
[11:39] <moj> works great.
[11:39] <moj> then ..
[11:39] <moj> when I check the encryption box..
[11:39] <moj> no dice,.
[11:39] <_andrea> uhm
[11:40] <_andrea> i've got problems like this with my pocketpc
[11:40] <moj> really?
[11:40] <_andrea> yes
[11:40] <_andrea> only without encryption my pocketpc would connect
[11:40] <_andrea> it didn't like wep
[11:40] <moj> same here.
[11:40] <moj> same exact thing.
[11:41] <_andrea> your transmitter is dlink ?
[11:41] <moj> should authentication be open or shared?
[11:41] <moj> yes./
[11:41] <_andrea> i think open
[11:41] <moj> di 524
[11:41] <moj> k
[11:41] <_andrea> but not really sure
[11:41] <moj> I'll try both.
[11:41] <_andrea> dwl-900+ here
[11:42] <_andrea> uhm....I read once that dlink stuff could have glitches on wep
[11:42] <_andrea> but i din't know it when i got it on a sale :-(
[11:42] <moj> ha. same here. 
[11:42] <moj> you mean dlink routers, nics or both?
[11:43] <_andrea> both for the article
[11:43] <moj> ah.
[11:43] <_andrea> some models had problems
[11:43] <_andrea> but i only got probs with the pocketpc
[11:43] <moj> Well that's double trouble for me since I have both.
[11:43] <_andrea> ehehe same here
[11:43] <moj> I did upgrade the firmware on the router.
[11:43] <_andrea> but they are both 1 and 1/2 years old
[11:44] <moj> hopefully that got rid of the bugs.
[11:44] <_andrea> I'll change them after christmas 
[11:44] <_andrea> i think i'll buy cysco
[11:44] <_andrea> cisco
[11:44] <_andrea> they "should" be better
[11:44] <_andrea> (and more expensive :-( )
[11:45] <moj> ha. well the home version is just linksys w/ a cisco name on it though.
[11:45] <_andrea> oh...really ?
[11:45] <moj> linksys is a good brand, though.
[11:45] <moj> yep.
[11:45] <moj> cisco bought them.
[11:45] <_andrea> ok
[11:46] <_andrea> they are all hungry those big guys
[11:46] <_andrea> :-)
[11:46] <moj> the expensive stuff (enterprise) is the real deal. 
[11:46] <moj> yeah. It is sad.  :(
[11:46] <_andrea> i wonder if they would buy me a new house too :-D
[11:46] <moj> ha. they would probably rent it out. 
[11:47] <_andrea> entreprise = super expensive.....
[11:47] <_andrea> eheheh
[11:47] <moj> absolutely. 
[11:47] <_andrea> do you know of any easy soft to draw house plans like on cad ?
[11:47] <_andrea> I need to draw the new one....
[11:48] <_andrea> and couldnt find anything suitable like finson3d home architect for win
[11:48] <moj> try dia.
[11:49] <moj> think its dia.sf.net
[11:49] <moj> well.
[11:49] <moj> my bad..
[11:49] <_andrea> dia ill check it
[11:49] <moj> that's for viso type diagrams.
[11:49] <moj> sorry.
[11:49] <_andrea> if u can leave wep off
[11:49] <_andrea> here in italy for the moment it's pretty safe
[11:50] <_andrea> no hackers around in town
[11:50] <_andrea> :-)
[11:50] <moj> I can't for a long period of time -- a little scary.
[11:50] <moj> ha. that's cool.
[11:50] <_andrea> yes not many people able with computers
[11:50] <crimsun> should be using WPA at least
[11:50] <moj> for cad try searching for cad in freshmeat.net
[11:51] <_andrea> i think dia will do the trick
[11:51] <moj> I know. but I don;t think my router supports it.
[11:51] <_andrea> looking at it right now
[11:51] <moj> once I get wep going...I am going to put a wired router behind my wireless one..
[11:52] <moj> ..so my wired stuff is still about as secure as it was before.
[11:52] <_andrea> i had the same idea here
[11:52] <_andrea> but my provider is a cable provider and we are all in an internal network
[11:52] <moj> and maybe turn off wifi when I won't be using it for a long time.
[11:52] <moj> yeah. that should be all right.
[11:52] <_andrea> i turn it off every night ;-)
[11:52] <moj> me too. 
[11:52] <_andrea> just unplug it
[11:53] <moj> that works.
[11:54] <_andrea> ehi 
[11:54] <_andrea> i just discovered katapult
[11:54] <_andrea> nice trick :-D
[11:55] <moj> I've heard of that. Can't remember what it is though.  
[11:55] <_andrea> it's a launcher a la apple style
[11:55] <_andrea> just press alt and spacebar together
[11:56] <_andrea> then write the forst letters of the name of the soft u want to launch
[11:56] <_andrea> it's super fast :D good thing
[11:57] <_andrea> uhm midnight here.....I think I'll go to bed.....
[11:57] <_andrea> goodnight all
[11:57] <unsurreal> lol
[11:57] <unsurreal> where u at?
[11:58] <_andrea> italy
[11:58] <unsurreal> send me some pasta
[11:58] <_andrea> ahahah in tar.gz or deb ?
[11:58] <unsurreal> bzip2
[11:58] <unsurreal> :)
[11:59] <_andrea> http://images.google.it/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ilnido.it/tagliatelle_ai_porcini.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.ilnido.it/menu_ristorante.htm&h=250&w=320&sz=15&tbnid=AmdSWNhUFEEJ:&tbnh=88&tbnw=113&hl=it&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtagliatelle%2Bai%2Bfunghi%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dit%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:it-IT:unofficial%26sa%3DN
[11:59] <_andrea> ops
[12:00] <_andrea> http://www.ilnido.it/spaghetti_alle_vongole.JPG
[12:00] <_andrea> :-)
[12:00] <_andrea> ok goodnight all
[12:00] <_andrea> yawnnnn