[12:19] <Sepheebear> im a little confused, are the packages in universe going to be identical to debian with changes going up to debian first?
[12:20] <bddebian> Whenever possible
[12:23] <Sepheebear> ok but we still use malone? does that sync with debian bts?
[12:24] <bddebian> Nope
[12:24] <Sepheebear> o ok
[12:27] <lifeless> uhm
[12:27] <lifeless> malone will pull from debian bts
[12:29] <Sepheebear> oooo ok
[12:30] <\sh> lifeless: when? :)
[12:32] <lifeless> \sh: after main -> malone IIRC
[12:33] <\sh> lifeless: k..and what's the ETA of soyuz?
[12:34] <Seveas> 10.. 9.. 8.. 7.. 6.. 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.. 1.. liftoff
[12:34] <Seveas> </midnight non-humor>
[12:34] <lifeless> \sh: with dapper as I understand it
[12:34] <\sh> lifeless: damn...I wanted to avoid this questions..now we have to wait one day more ,)
[12:35] <lifeless> \sh: #launchpad may have better answers
[12:35] <\sh> lifeless: nah..u should work .. i don't want to disturb
[12:37] <Sepheebear> what's soyuz? wiki link?
[12:37] <lifeless> soyuz is the launchpad based distro management suite
[12:38] <lifeless> like malone is the launchpad based bug tracking suite
[12:41] <Sepheebear> interesting
[12:43] <Sepheebear> lol STFUProtocol! https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/SoyuzOneDotZero
[12:58] <sivang> bddebian: how do you keep up with debian's package changes to know you need to sync up, or apply a patch?
[12:59] <slomo> re
[12:59] <slomo> sivang: look at what has changed from old debian version to ubuntu version and look if these changes are still needed with the new debian version
[01:00] <sivang> slomo: ah, so that's basically having a debian chroot, install the package and check up. But if you do not use the specific software, how do you know it's changed?
[01:00] <slomo> sivang: no... only looking at the source packages
[01:01] <sivang> slomo: so you just randomly choose a package and see if it has problems/fixes etc?
[01:02] <slomo> sivang: wait... maybe i should read more than the last message before answering questions ;) what exactly was your question and in which context? ;)
[01:03] <slomo> sivang: you mean how to know if a package must be merged or can be synced... or how to get one package which needs to be looked at for merging or syncing?
[01:03] <sivang> slomo: the first part :)
[01:03] <slomo> ok, then i've answered the correct question... fine ;)
[01:03] <slomo> ok, this is what i do:
[01:04] <slomo> i get the plain (old) debian version, make a debdiff to our current version... take the current debian version of the package, look at the debdiff and check whether one of the changes needs to be applied again... if not -> sync, if there's at least one i readd all changes and upload this merged version
[01:05] <slomo> but when dapper is open and merge-o-matic is running again you will get all of this automatically and only need to judge if the automatically merged version is correct
[01:07] <sivang> slomo: I see, I wonder what writing something like merge-o-matic required, can you really decided programtically what to merge, and where to put the needed patch to merge?
[01:07] <slomo> yes... in most cases it works fine... wait, i'll search for some examples ;)
[01:08] <slomo> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/monodoc/
[01:08] <slomo> look at this
[01:08] <Seveas> slomo, i'm working on hostname cloaks for Ubuntu members on freenode, do you want one?
[01:09] <slomo> Seveas: sure... i don't know what for but it can't hurt ;)
[01:09] <slomo> sivang: there you see some diffs... in REPORT it's explained what each of this diffs is good for
[01:09] <Seveas> slomo, ok :)
[01:10] <slomo> sivang: when you don't get a *-dropped diff everything should be fine and the -merged diff should be a good merge of debian's and our version... in other cases hand-merging of the dropped part is needed
[01:10] <sivang> slomo: REPORT is machine generated?
[01:10] <slomo> sivang: everything there is machine generated
[01:11] <sivang> slomo: that's nice, it looks rather "intelligent" :)
[01:11] <slomo> sivang: but i for one don't like merge-o-matic... i normally take the manual approach as explained above ;)
[01:11] <sivang> slomo: it sounds saner, but when you have loads of packages ...
[01:12] <slomo> sivang: and please don't "work" on the monodoc stuff ;) i already have a merged version here
[01:12] <sivang> slomo: don't worry :) I've been busy specing and doing launchapd stuff :)
[01:13] <slomo> sivang: yes but after doing some merges you normally know when merge-o-matic can be trusted and when it's better to do it by hand... for some stuff it can be really helping to use m-o-m ;)
[01:13] <slomo> sivang: i don't worry... but it would be bad if we do the same work two times ;)
[01:14] <slomo> Seveas: what must be done on my side for the hostname cloaking? nothing except authenticating? ;)
[01:14] <sivang> anyway, good night all
[01:14] <sivang> I'm going to sleep
[01:14] <slomo> gn8 sivang :)
[01:14] <Seveas> indeed, best is to use your nickserv password as server password
[01:15] <slomo> Seveas: hmm... please explain... or give me some urls to look at ;) what's the server password and why do i need it?
[01:16] <Seveas> in the server connect dialog you can enter a server password
[01:17] <Seveas> if you put your nickserv password there, you will be identified in time
[01:17] <Seveas> so your cloak actually works
[01:18] <slomo> ok, can i test it already?
[01:19] <Seveas> no
[01:20] <Seveas> it's all a manual process, I am now asking all members whether they want a cloak
[01:20] <Seveas> and in a few days I'll send lilo a list
[01:22] <slomo> ok
[04:05] <LaserJock> does anybody know when the next MOTU meeting will be ?
[04:06] <whiprush> LaserJock: there's a calendar on the fridge
[04:06] <whiprush> nevermind
[04:06] <whiprush> I don't see it on there.
[04:07] <ajmitch> because some useless slacker hasn't written up the minutes
[04:07] <LaserJock> I don't even remember if it was discussed but I think I kinda floated in and out at the end
[04:08] <ajmitch> it was discussed
[04:17] <Amaranth> is "Replaces: smeg, menueditor" the right way to say that a package replaces the smeg and menueditor pacakges?
[04:17] <Amaranth> or would i need two seperate lines?
[04:17] <Amaranth> also, if i have that and install the package it'll remove smeg, right?
[04:17] <ajmitch> Conflicts & Replaces if it fully replaces it
[04:17] <LaserJock> Amaranth: I think that one line is ok, but don't take my word for it ;-)
[04:18] <ajmitch> Replaces by itself says that some files are now owned by the new package
[04:18] <Amaranth> it does
[04:18] <Amaranth> ok, and this'll make smeg uninstall?
[04:18] <ajmitch> should do
[04:18] <ajmitch> assuming that something depends on alacarte
[04:18] <Amaranth> do i need Provides: smeg to make ubuntu-desktop happy (it depends on smeg)?
[04:18] <ajmitch> upgrade paths are always fun
[04:19] <ajmitch> best not to ask me what is best :)
[04:19] <ajmitch> see what was done for mozilla-firefox -> firefox for hoary->breezy
[04:19] <ajmitch> Replaces: mozilla-firefox (<< 1.0.7-0ubuntu20)
[04:19] <ajmitch> Provides: www-browser, mozilla-firefox
[04:19] <ajmitch> Conflicts: mozilla-firefox (<< 1.0.7-0ubuntu20)
[04:19] <Amaranth> fun
[04:20] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:20] <ajmitch> lots of fun
[04:20] <Amaranth> is the versioned conflict needed?
[04:20] <ajmitch> hopefully not
[04:20] <ajmitch> read some debian guides on this :)
[04:21] <Amaranth> heh
[04:21] <Amaranth> i guess i'll just go with trial and error
[04:21] <ajmitch> I haven't done it too often
[04:21] <ajmitch> Conflicts: gnue-forms-wxgtk (<= 0.5.11)
[04:21] <ajmitch> Replaces: gnue-forms-wxgtk (<= 0.5.11)
[04:22] <ajmitch> this is what I did for one of my packages
[04:22] <ajmitch> probably not correct :)
[04:22] <Amaranth> if no one finds any major bugs in alacarte i'm releasing 0.8 next week and need to have all of this figured out for the deb
[04:22] <Amaranth> i guess i'll do the version
[05:25] <LaserJock> at what point will we be able to do a dist-upgrade to dapper?
[05:26] <Lathiat> when it opens
[05:26] <Lathiat> sabdfl says if soyuz doesnt land by tuesday
[05:26] <Lathiat> we'll revert to katie
[05:26] <Lathiat> and switch later in the cycle
[05:27] <LaserJock> oh, ok so by tuesday the archives will have a dapper dist?
[05:27] <Lathiat> hopefully
[05:27] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[05:55] <Kyral> Yo!
[05:55] <LaserJock> How's it going Kyral?
[05:56] <Kyral> Just got back from an ACM Programming Contest in Montreal :D
[05:56] <LaserJock> ACM?
[05:57] <Kyral> Association of Computing Machinery
[05:57] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[05:57] <ajmitch> how'd you go?
[05:58] <Kyral> How'd I go or dow did it go?
[05:58] <Kyral> HOLY ****
[05:58] <Kyral> 117 emails from the Kernel devel list
[05:59] <ajmitch> is that all?
[05:59] <Amaranth> pfft, i get more than that from the gnome lists in 24 hours
[05:59] <Kyral> yah....
[06:03] <ajmitch> you should try debian-devel during a good flamewar
[06:03] <Kyral> No thanks
[06:04] <Amaranth> bleh, i unsubsribed from that around the time of the fork or not thing
[06:04] <Amaranth> it's a spoon, damnit!
[06:10] <LaserJock> lol
[06:17] <Kyral> Did Dapper open yet?
[06:18] <Amaranth> Kyral: read #ubuntu-devel topic ;)
[06:18] <Amaranth> but no, not yet
 sabdfl says if soyuz doesnt land by tuesday
 we'll revert to katie
 and switch later in the cycle
[06:20] <Kyral> WTF is that? Mr.Shuttleworth's personal code to attack MS?!
[06:21] <Amaranth> soyuz is the package building part of launchpad
[06:21] <Kyral> ah
[06:21] <Amaranth> katie is what has been used for warty, hoary, and breezy
[06:21] <Kyral> I was thinking Soyuz like the satellite
[06:22] <Amaranth> actually it's the name of the space ship he rode to the ISS in :)
[06:22] <Amaranth> well, the "model", i guess
[06:22] <Kyral> yah that ;P
[06:22] <Kyral> I knew it was a Russian Spacecraft
[06:22] <Kyral> you wanna see a stupid programming error?
[06:23] <Kyral> for( int i = 0; i < n; n++ )
[06:23] <Lathiat> whats stupid about that?
[06:24] <Amaranth> that could actually have a use
[06:24] <Lathiat> thats a very commonly used construct
[06:24] <Lathiat> oh
[06:24] <Lathiat> i see
[06:24] <Kyral> its an infinite loop
[06:24] <Lathiat> baha
[06:24] <Lathiat> it could be usefull
[06:24] <Lathiat> but probably not
[06:24] <Amaranth> i guess hal does this cool 1.5 loop thing, so i'd believe anything
[06:25] <Lathiat> lol
[06:25] <Lathiat> what does it do
[06:25] <Amaranth> and some of the other tricks i've seen
[06:25] <Kyral> but it like translate into a metaphor for a lot of things in the world
[06:25] <Kyral> or
[06:25] <Kyral> if ( n > 50 && n < 2/3 )
[06:27] <Amaranth> http://primates.ximian.com/~fejj/blog/archives/000033.html
[06:27] <LaserJock> is bugzilla still being used or is it completely replaced by Malone?
[06:28] <moyogo> LaserJock: bugzilla is still being used
[06:28] <moyogo> LaserJock: but new bugs only go to malone, i think
[06:29] <Lathiat> the idea is to phase bugzilla out in dapper
[06:29] <Lathiat> i think
[06:29] <Amaranth> afaik bugzilla is still the place to go for main bugs right now
[06:30] <Amaranth> i haven't seen a mail to the lists about using malone
[06:30] <Kyral> Hey I'm gonna be redoing my Wiki page tomorrow in prep for applying for Ubuntu Membership, anyone mind looking it over when I'm done and critiquing>
[06:31] <Amaranth> Kyral: if you've closed any bugs make sure you list them all by name (closed them by fixing them)
[06:31] <Amaranth> just a tip before you start
[06:32] <Kyral> Yah I've done that
[06:33] <Lathiat> include as much as possible
[06:33] <Lathiat> mailing lists
[06:33] <Lathiat> posts for uploads (breezy-changes archives)
[06:33] <Lathiat> wiki pages
[06:33] <Lathiat> bugs on both bugz & malone
[06:33] <Kyral> Like subscribed to?
[06:33] <Lathiat> a description of yourself
[06:33] <Lathiat> what you do outside ubuntu
[06:33] <Lathiat> what you want to do in ubuntu
[06:33] <ajmitch> Kyral: mailing list posts
[06:33] <Kyral> I haven't uploaded to Breezy Updates, not have power yet
[06:33] <ajmitch> they're looking for contributions to ubuntu
[06:33] <Lathiat> take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrentLloyd for an example
[06:33] <ajmitch> and 2 bugs on a wiki page wouldn't cut it IMHP
[06:33] <Kyral> Mez and someone else is supposed to upload them for me
[06:33] <Lathiat> Kyral: well, you may have gotten someone to add fixes for you
[06:33] <Lathiat> Kyral: or upload for you
[06:34] <Lathiat> Kyral: thats a good step
[06:34] <Kyral> ajmitch, Thats why I'm redoing it ;P
[06:34] <Kyral> Is REVU still in freeze?
[06:34] <ajmitch> Kyral: right, you said you had done that..
[06:34] <ajmitch> revu is never frozen
[06:34] <ajmitch> since it's not part of ubuntu
[06:34] <Kyral> yah and I fixed that versioning bug ;P
[06:35] <ajmitch> which was?
[06:35] <Kyral> The one I made?
[06:35] <Amaranth> oh dear, layoffs at novell
[06:35] <Kyral> Yanno how you told me I incremented the patch version wrong?
[06:35] <ajmitch> Kyral: sorry, but I don't recall all the bugs that I see
[06:36] <ajmitch> after seeing a number of them a day, they sort of fade out of memory
[06:36] <Kyral> sorry...
[06:36] <Kyral> Anyway I'm prolly gonna wait until gtkorphan gets pushed through REVU until I apply for membership
[06:37] <ajmitch> ok..
[06:37] <ajmitch> gtkorphan is something you packaged?
[06:37] <Kyral> Yah
[06:40] <ajmitch> please fix up debian/copyright
[06:40] <Kyral> eh?
[06:40] <ajmitch> Copyright (C) 2005 by Fabio Marzocca
[06:41] <Kyral> Oyah....
[06:41] <ajmitch> you need name & year put in properly
[06:41] <Kyral> Gotcha, will do :D
[06:41] <ajmitch> k :)
[06:41] <Kyral> I just figure having a package in Universe will look good on Ubuntu Membership
[06:41] <ajmitch> it helps
[06:42] <hub> ghawd
[06:42] <hub> I have to fix all these packages waiting on revu
[06:42] <hub> maybe tomorrow
[06:42] <hub> time for bed
[06:43] <ajmitch> night hub
[06:51] <Kyral> I should fire up Zen on this thing....
[06:52] <Kyral> err
[06:52] <Kyral> Xen ;P
[07:40] <Amaranth> goodnight all
[07:45] <Kyral> Night all
[09:05] <zakame> hi all
[09:11] <jmg> guys is any work being done in dapper for a new init scheme?
[09:12] <jmg> something to make stuff boot faster?
[09:12] <jmg> well, the os
[09:13] <zakame> jmg: hmmm, I think the guys at -devel know better, here at -motu work is on universe packages...
[09:30] <nnonix> I'm thinking of filing a big report for network-manager (which would be my first bug report) and wondered if someone (familiar with network-manager) here might want to check my logic before I do so? I've had no real feedback from ppl in #Ubuntu.
[09:30] <nnonix> correction "...a bug report for network-manager ...."
[09:30] <zakame> nnonix: what's it all about?
[09:31] <nnonix> ok, clean install of Breezy on a T42 laptop. absolutely no other network aplications installed ...
[09:31] <nnonix> I install network-manager from apt, which also installs bind as a dependancy ...
[09:32] <nnonix> upon reboot I get no name resolution but a restart of bind fixes that problem.
[09:32] <nnonix> bind starts on its own .... but then network-manager calls bind directly ....
[09:33] <nnonix> in checking my syslog I find this .... http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3495
[09:33] <nnonix> which indicates (to me anyway) that network-manager's direct call to bind conflicts with the normal bind process running already.
[09:35] <nnonix> Since the config file that network-manager uses to call bind directly is overwritten, there is no option to modify the bind call, therefore I figured it has to be a bug in the network-manager package.
[09:35] <nnonix> The crazy thing is, some don't have this problem, but I have found 3 other people in #Ubuntu over the past few days with the exact same problem.
[09:35] <nnonix> the end.
[09:36] <zakame> nnonix: hmmm... have you tried posting this on the -devel list?
[09:37] <nnonix> I have not.
[09:38] <nnonix> I wanted a 2nd opinion to make sure I wasn't missing something here.
[09:39] <zakame> hmmm... 3's a trend, so perhaps you ought to contact those other people who experienced that bug, and definitely post it on bugzilla
[09:39] <zakame> do you have a bugfix/patch for this?
[09:40] <nnonix> The fix (for me anyway) is to compile network-manager without bind support but still install bind9 as a dependancy.
[09:40] <nnonix> although i consider this more of a workaround
[09:41] <nnonix> I don't know if this would break someone in another configuration AND I would think the config used for the direct bind call could be modified so it does NOT conflict with the currently running bind process.
[09:42] <nnonix> so the short answer is no.
[09:42] <zakame> which is why bringing this up at the -devel list would do good :)
[09:43] <nnonix> ok,  I will do so, thanks.
[10:02] <zakame> no problem
[10:38] <sivang> morning all
[11:16] <ryu> moin
[12:24] <spayne> mornin' all
[12:24] <[Chameleon] > hi
[02:17] <herve> hello
[02:19] <tseng> i wonder if cedega will play civ4..
[02:29] <slomo> \sh: ping?
[03:16] <HiddenWolf> Hi, what do I need to be able to close a bug as invalid in malone?
[03:19] <HiddenWolf> \sh, dholbach?
[03:20] <HiddenWolf> NOTABUG: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/3195
[03:20] <HiddenWolf> INVALID (for now): https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/3119
[03:23] <HiddenWolf> NOTABUG: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/mozilla-firefox/+bug/3229
[03:25] <\sh> HiddenWolf: rejected
[03:25] <\sh> with a reason why ;)
[03:25] <HiddenWolf> \sh, I'd like to be able to close these kinds of bugs myself, what do I need to do for that permission?
[03:27] <\sh> HiddenWolf: I think u have to be ubuntu-core-dev
[03:27] <\sh> HiddenWolf: i'm not sure...ask in #launchpad
[03:28] <HiddenWolf> hm
[03:28] <HiddenWolf> *grumble*
[03:47] <HiddenWolf> should be closed: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/tor/+bug/1102
[04:14] <Kyral> Hiddenwolf it is closed
[04:14] <Kyral> its marked as Fixed
[04:15] <HiddenWolf> Kyral, yeah, someone got to it already
[04:15] <HiddenWolf> Kyral, and I just figured out I can do it myself.
[04:15] <Kyral> lol
[04:16] <Kyral> New around here?
[04:17] <HiddenWolf> Kyral, trying to find my way around the horrid UI that is malone.
[04:18] <Kyral> Its not to bad
[04:18] <HiddenWolf> I prefer bugzilla so far.
[04:18] <HiddenWolf> by far, in fact.
[04:19] <Kyral> I'm new on the bugbusters/MOTU-Wannabes scene so I've only used Malone
[04:20] <HiddenWolf> The information I want is there, but it is all scattered about.
[04:20] <HiddenWolf> it's been oversimplified too much to my taste.
[04:33] <herve> everything I forget you must click on the package name to have access to secret options!
[04:35] <herve> HiddenWolf, we can close 3486 because kcheckgmail was upgraded?
[04:35] <herve> or change the status?
[04:35] <Kyral> Make sure it works
[04:35] <HiddenWolf> herve, I have no idea what the guy means
[04:36] <HiddenWolf> herve, I don't use kcheckgmail myself, but if it's a newer version, then yeah, i say close it.
[04:36] <HiddenWolf> debian has 0.5.4, we have 0.5.3a-1-build1
[04:36] <HiddenWolf> I'm guessing he says it works in .4 but not in .3
[04:38] <herve> that "build" means the debian package will go through when we open dapper and autosync
[04:38] <herve> so I can close it I think
[04:39] <HiddenWolf> herve, don't do that before it's actually fixed, or things will be forgotten. :)
[04:40] <herve> we don't even know what to fix!
[04:40] <herve> or he'll file a new report on the most recent version
[04:40] <HiddenWolf> *chuckle* Give him a while to clarify. :)
[04:41] <herve> ok, cancelling my edit :-)
[04:49] <herve> 3229 closed
[04:51] <HiddenWolf> herve, he had a piont there. firefox should be shipped with that human theme.
[04:51] <herve> 3119 too
[04:51] <HiddenWolf> or rather, firefox should be crashed, burned, and replaced with epiphany, but still.
[04:52] <herve> hell no
[04:52] <herve> but I made a test
[04:52] <herve> firefox followed my coloured theme as possible as it could
[04:52] <HiddenWolf> herve, and shame on you for stealing my karma. ;)
[04:52] <herve> and I don't have that gnomefx theme
[04:52] <herve> I'll buy you a beer ;-)
[04:53] <HiddenWolf> Do the french have decent beer?
[04:54] <Mortas> ehm do the french have beer?
[04:54] <herve> I can't believe what I read!
[04:54] <herve> :-)
[04:54] <\sh> herve: kick them ,-)
[04:55] <herve> 3195 closed
[04:55] <HiddenWolf> \sh, watch it, I bite. :)
[04:55] <\sh> i mean ... paris == france, but france != paris ,-) so i think in some areas u'll get good beer and not this heineken stuff
[04:56] <HiddenWolf> \sh, heineken sucks, agreed. :)
[04:56] <sivang> \sh: heineken is considered one of the best beers in .IL :)
[04:56] <herve> is heineken beer, I can't prove it
[04:56] <herve> and yes, Paris is a bad idea anyway
[04:56] <HiddenWolf> herve, no, it's pilsener.
[04:56] <\sh> sivang: well...u should try *real* beer ,-)
[04:56] <HiddenWolf> \sh, what do you consider real beer? :)
[04:56] <sivang> \sh: lol
[04:57] <\sh> HiddenWolf: krombacher pils (german) tschech budwiser, or even irish beer
[04:57] <\sh> HiddenWolf: or milk stout from ZA ,)
[04:57] <HiddenWolf> \sh, You've got serious gaps in your education. :)
[04:58] <\sh> HiddenWolf: but warsteiner, becks or heineken is no beer at all ,-)
[04:58] <\sh> the dark millers in NC, US was also quite nice...
[04:58] <HiddenWolf> \sh, compared to Budweiser, it's beer, trust me. ;)
[04:58] <\sh> HiddenWolf: I'm not talking about US budweiser ,-)
[05:00] <Mortas> please gentlemen, watch your language
[05:00] <HiddenWolf> I usually stick to Dutch or Belgium premium brands. :)
[05:00] <Mortas> budweiser, blech
[05:00] <\sh> pilsner urquell..i don't know the english name is my fav
[05:06] <Mortas> hmm
[05:06] <Mortas> do others also have the 'RequestExpired' issue when logged in on Launchpad and trying to see the motu assignedbugs
[05:06] <Mortas> I'm starting to get this urge to torture mallone by now
[05:10] <HiddenWolf> I'm aching for dapper. :)
[05:48] <xhaker> hey doko
[05:48] <xhaker> you there?
[05:51] <ivoks> hi
[05:54] <xhaker> hey
[05:55] <xhaker> ivoks, do you happen to know how to use doko's rep for openoffice?
[05:55] <ivoks> yes
[05:56] <ivoks> sudo -s ; echo "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2 ./" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:56] <ivoks> apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[05:57] <xhaker> hehe
[05:57] <xhaker> didn't know that ./ trick
[05:57] <xhaker> lol
[05:57] <xhaker> thanks
[05:58] <ivoks> np
[05:58] <ivoks> no one here?
[05:59] <ivoks> everybody is on a flight to montreal ;......(
[05:59] <herve> no :-(
[05:59] <herve> hi ivoks
[06:00] <ivoks> hi herve
[06:00] <ivoks> long time no see
[06:00] <ivoks> how are you?
[06:00] <herve> quite fine
[06:00] <ivoks> nice
[06:00] <herve> and you? you returned to school?
[06:00] <ivoks> in mart i'll come to france, once again :)
[06:01] <ivoks> returned? never left :))
[06:01] <ivoks> i got a job at redhat partner in croatia :/
[06:01] <ivoks> but i'm deploying ubuntu :)
[06:01] <herve> why? that's nice
[06:01] <herve> hehe
[06:02] <ivoks> what why? :)
[07:05] <herve> bazaar bugs seem ignored, sad
[07:13] <HiddenWolf> herve, I'm pretty sure that all the canonical guys are working on Launchpad atm, to make sure it's workable for dapper.
[07:18] <Mortas> at least we hope so
[07:22] <HiddenWolf> otherwise, just bug the hell out of the bazaar guys. :)
[07:23] <ogra> luckily not *all* the canonical guys, only the launchpad team ;)
[07:23] <HiddenWolf> heh
[07:24] <HiddenWolf> well, if this launchpad migration doesn't go well, dapper will get nowhere very quickly. :)
[07:24] <Mortas> is there anything usefull I could do except bug triaging
[07:24] <Mortas> it's hurting what's left of my brain by now
[07:25] <HiddenWolf> Mortas, translate, or make me some freevo packages. :)
[07:25] <Mortas> translating good point
[07:25] <Mortas> although my written dutch sucks, but I could give it a try
[07:26] <HiddenWolf> I'd rather see the packages. :)
[07:26] <Mortas> hehe
[07:27] <HiddenWolf> There's a fix out that'll make it work with python 2.4, but there are no new debs
[07:27] <Mortas> ooh shiney
[07:27] <Mortas> hmm I wanted to get me a tv tuner card anyway
[07:27] <HiddenWolf> Mortas, it isn't quite sane, but it's less cracked up than tvtime. :)
[07:27] <HiddenWolf> eh, mythtv
[07:28] <Mortas> ehm wait, it's almost my birthday, I'm gonna get someone else to buy me a tv tuner
[07:29] <Mortas> oh right, there was this 'I want this in universe' list of packages
[07:29] <Mortas> yay, let's give that a poke
[08:12] <Kyral> Hey all
[08:21] <Kyral> Hey I have a question about were to direct a very serious bug, but its not with software...
[08:24] <herve> bugtracking people? :-)
[08:24] <Kyral> no..
[08:25] <Kyral> its more like a couple people I know who have the same video card in their laptops have had it "burn out" completely after installing Ubuntu
[08:26] <herve> wow
[08:26] <Kyral> to the point were they had to send the laptop back to the manufacturer for a replacement
[08:26] <Kyral> I know its a PCI Express ATI card, but thats it....
[08:27] <herve> it may depends at which moment the burn occured
[08:27] <herve> e.g., kernel initialisation or xorg startup
[08:27] <Kyral> I'm really worried about this, partially because I was the one who urged one of them to install Ubuntu (and it was thier first Linux experiance)
[08:29] <herve> I'm thinking more people would have complained
[08:29] <herve> what is the manufacturer name?
[08:29] <Kyral> I know one was an Acer
[08:29] <Kyral> I dunno about the other ones
[08:29] <herve> ho, not the same one
[08:30] <Kyral> I know the latest series of kernels (2.6.13.4) has PCI Express support
[08:30] <Kyral> but I don't know about Breezy's kernels
[08:30] <herve> that still could be a bad batch (?) in the ATI production
[08:30] <herve> I can't say
[08:30] <Kyral> I don't know, I asked my friend who I know who had the problem to gather info from the other people
[08:30] <Kyral> Before I draft up an email to send to the Devel list
[08:31] <herve> I'll say check for bugs in bugzilla at first
[08:31] <herve> and open one against the kernel
[08:31] <herve> it will be reasigned if you got the wrong component
[08:32] <Kyral> Yah this is why I'm asking him to gather much info
[08:32] <Kyral> So I can scan the lists
[08:32] <Kyral> I don't use PCI-E or ATI so I can't try it out
[08:33] <Kyral> I kinda feel responsible for this one....
[08:34] <herve> I can imagine
[08:34] <Kyral> I can't imagine its just on Ubuntu though...
[08:35] <herve> it's not even like they chose the wrong option and erased their windows partition
[08:35] <Kyral> Its most likely X or the Kernel
[08:35] <herve> that could be a patch we only have
[08:35] <herve> or only miss
[08:35] <Kyral> Next time I'll compile a custom version of the 2.6.13.4 for them
[08:36] <Kyral> enable all modules and options for full hardware support
[08:36] <herve> they're eager to try again? :-)
[08:37] <Kyral> One is, if I can prove that its fixed
[08:38] <Kyral> I mean he lit up when I installed Breezy Preview (Been trying Hoary previously) and everything WORKED
[08:46] <JanC> I have PCIE ATI laptop graphics (X700)
[08:46] <JanC> works fine here...
[08:46] <Treenaks> for me too
[08:46] <Treenaks> fglrx only though
[08:46] <Treenaks> ati breaks horribly, I'll show that to daniels next week :)
[08:46] <JanC> even worked on joary after a lot fiddling & googling
[08:46] <Kyral> we had fglrx installs
[08:46] <JanC> hoary
[08:47] <JanC> works with both ati & fglrx on hoary & breezy here, but not out-of-the-box on hoary  ;)
[08:48] <JanC> there are other X-cards from ATI
[08:49] <JanC> X500, X600, X800 & X900 IIRC  :)
[08:49] <Treenaks> XXX
[08:49] <JanC> and probably more
[08:50] <JanC> Acer and a lot of other laptop manufacturers use the same laptop model with other options (you can even buy a barebone version of it)
[08:51] <Kyral> hmm...
[08:51] <Kyral> Should I email someone if I wanna change an Ubuntu Wiki Page they made?
[08:52] <JanC> no, unless you think it's really important, or you're not sure about it
[08:52] <Kyral> I'm not sure...
[08:52] <Kyral> I wanna merge this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TerminalHowto?highlight=%28Terminal%29
[08:52] <JanC> you can always add a comment...
[08:53] <Kyral> with my Terminal For Beginners Guide on the Ubuntu Forums http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=402620
[08:53] <JanC> hm, that wiki page is a bit outdated   :)
[08:53] <Kyral> Yah thats what I thought
[08:54] <JanC> Terminal is in another location
[08:54] <Treenaks> Kyral: Terminal for beginners? Just google for Bash for Beginners :)
[08:54] <JanC> Treenaks: that's not the same...
[08:54] <Kyral> Treenaks, the people on the ABT Forum loved it ;P
[08:54] <Treenaks> JanC: "how to use the command line"
[08:54] <Kyral> I couldn't get it stickied so I thought I'd wiki it ;P
[08:55] <JanC> Treenaks: which is again something different  ;)
[08:55] <JanC> but probably a better description of the howto
[08:55] <Kyral> Treenaks: Put yourself as a fresh Windows user
[08:55] <Kyral> In this unknown Linux landscape
[08:56] <Kyral> Are you gonna know what BASH is? ;P
[08:56] <Treenaks> Kyral: when I was a fresh Windows user, Windows 3.1 was just new, and I had been running DOS for years
[08:56] <Kyral> okay, a MODERN Windows user ;P
[08:56] <JanC> I started with Windows 2.01   :)
[08:56] <Kyral> You all know what I mean....
[08:57] <JanC> Kyral: I knew when I first came to linux, but I agree most won't have a clue  :)
[08:57] <Kyral> Check out my guide. People seemed to like it ;D
[08:58] <JanC> I will look at it later
[08:58] <JanC> have to go now
[08:59] <Kyral> Yah I need HALO
[08:59] <Kyral> I'll email the guy to be nice
[09:09] <herve> bye
[09:10] <tseng> anyone seen j^