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| Velmont | First the wiki-installation-notes page says it installs an LTSP THIN client by default, but then you go on saying you install an LTSP SERVER by default (by just pressing <enter>)? :o How is it really? | 08:43 |
| juliux | it install a ltsp server | 08:59 |
| juliux | if you have the edubuntu install cd | 08:59 |
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| Velmont | juliux: How can I install an ltsp client than? - I've got that CD (Well, 98% finished now) | 09:27 |
| juliux | Velmont, you didn't need to install the client | 09:28 |
| juliux | Velmont, the client boots via pxe | 09:28 |
| juliux | Velmont, if the client pxe don't support you need a image from here http://www.rom-o-matic.net/ | 09:29 |
| Velmont | Cool :] I'll try when I've got the server up. | 09:40 |
| juliux | Velmont, it works here very good | 09:41 |
| juliux | Velmont, as client you can use diskless computers | 09:41 |
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| Tode | hi there | 11:09 |
| Tode | any french people in there? | 11:09 |
| Tode | Ok | 11:12 |
| Tode | I'm working for a company which makes IWB (Interactive White Board) | 11:12 |
| Tode | Our products work on Window$, Mac, but not on Linux | 11:13 |
| ogra | Tode, some of the gcomris folks are around form time to time... | 11:13 |
| ogra | *gcompris | 11:13 |
| Tode | I've been told that if I want to develop a driver for Linux, maybe people from Edubuntu should be interested... | 11:14 |
| ogra | Tode, indeed.... | 11:14 |
| Tode | gcompris, the software | 11:14 |
| Tode | ? | 11:14 |
| Tode | all right | 11:14 |
| ogra | yup... | 11:14 |
| Tode | thanks ogr | 11:14 |
| Tode | ogra | 11:14 |
| ogra | main development based in france :) | 11:14 |
| Tode | that's good news ! | 11:15 |
| Tode | :) | 11:15 |
| ogra | Tode, but we use ubuntu underneath, so we dont do kernel or driver developmnt... i can get you in contact with the right people if you like :) | 11:15 |
| Tode | it'd be very nice orga! | 11:15 |
| ogra | our ubuntu main kernel developers are fabbione and BenC, you'll find them in #ubuntu-kernel or #ubuntu-devel regulary... | 11:16 |
| Tode | great! | 11:17 |
| Tode | thanks a lot :) :) | 11:17 |
| ogra | fabbione@canonical.com and ben.collins@ubuntu.com ;) | 11:17 |
| Tode | :) | 11:18 |
| Tode | u rulez !! | 11:18 |
| ogra | note that ou conference starts end ov the week in canada, i dont know when they'll be travelling :) | 11:18 |
| Tode | ok | 11:18 |
| ogra | so they might be a bit unresponsive currently ... | 11:19 |
| Tode | all right | 11:19 |
| Velmont | Do they allow you to make a GPL'd driver? | 11:21 |
| Tode | I'm working on it ;) | 11:22 |
| Tode | actually | 11:22 |
| Tode | as I want to develop something for Linux | 11:22 |
| Tode | it HAVE to be a GPL stuff | 11:22 |
| Tode | you know what I mean ? | 11:22 |
| Velmont | To be included, yes. :) | 11:22 |
| Tode | :) | 11:23 |
| ogra | ...even if we prefer GPLed drivers, ubuntu also ships nonfre stuff (see ati and nvidia) as long as its under a redistributable license... | 11:24 |
| Velmont | That would be nice. I work at a school, we've got loads of "SMARTboards"... Maybe a competitor? | 11:24 |
| ogra | but a real GPL driver would be incredible cool :) | 11:24 |
| Tode | Smartstuff... oh my | 11:25 |
| Tode | yeah, I'm a competitor | 11:25 |
| Tode | ;) | 11:25 |
| Velmont | Hihi ;) Good, do better. :D | 11:25 |
| Tode | ogra --> GPL or nothing ;) | 11:26 |
| ogra | cool :) | 11:26 |
| Tode | Velmont --> my product is better from far | 11:26 |
| Tode | :) | 11:26 |
| Velmont | Ok ;) I don't like SMARTboards, I have to install them on Win98, which is a pain in the arse. | 11:26 |
| Tode | Velmont --> where are your school? | 11:27 |
| Tode | oh my... where is | 11:27 |
| Tode | lol | 11:27 |
| Tode | Win98... wow... | 11:27 |
| Velmont | Tode: Norway. :) Students 16-19 years old. | 11:27 |
| Tode | old students aren't they? | 11:28 |
| Tode | ;) | 11:28 |
| Velmont | College, maybe that's the name :] | 11:29 |
| Tode | mmhhh | 11:29 |
| Tode | in France, the name is Lyce | 11:30 |
| Tode | ;) | 11:30 |
| Velmont | Yep :) I know ;) | 11:30 |
| Tode | you know? | 11:31 |
| ogra | Velmont, you asked about the <enter> earlier .... if you dont hit any key, the CD wont just start installing ;) | 11:31 |
| Velmont | ogra: Hehe, I tried :) It's installing. | 11:31 |
| ogra | so <enter> with no input gives you the default :) | 11:32 |
| Velmont | Tode: I have a french friend. I'm in france every second year, or more. | 11:32 |
| ogra | Velmont, great to see that there are people actually reading the istall notes *before* installing, we normally have the opposite here :) | 11:33 |
| Velmont | ogra: Although I didn't really understand them 100% ;) | 11:33 |
| ogra | ask away if you got questions :) | 11:34 |
| Velmont | Hehe, I understood it now. -- My problem was that I didn't know how to "install" the clients... :) | 11:34 |
| Tode | Velmont --> ok! So you speak french? ;) | 11:35 |
| ogra | Velmont, you just boot them via PXE :) no install needed | 11:35 |
| Velmont | Tode: Hehe, no :) I understand some parts of the conversations. But want to learn it better; but, no time :p Should just move down a summer or something :P | 11:36 |
| Velmont | ogra: Yep, juliux told me, - I understood now ;] | 11:37 |
| ogra | good :) | 11:37 |
| Tode | Velmont --> French is not easy to learn, but I think "Norvegien" is even harder !! | 11:39 |
| Velmont | Tode: My french friend and his brother is learning Norwegian :p His brother is better in Norwegian than I'm in French after 4 years at school. | 11:40 |
| Tode | Velmont --> no way...! Really? I'm impressed... I know a guy who went to Norway because his girlfriend is from this country. He told me he couldn't understand a think even after few months... :( | 11:42 |
| Tode | but he told me too that girls are beautiful in this country... ;) | 11:42 |
| Velmont | Tode: They always say that ;] The french that is :) ~ But that family is half french/half german. So they know both native french and german, and they're both very good in English. So they took Norwegian pretty easily :) | 11:45 |
| Tode | Velmont --> ;) It's amazing... everywhere in Europe, a lot of people speak english but in France, we suck... | 11:48 |
| Tode | how long to install edubuntu ? | 11:52 |
| ogra | that depends on your CD drive indeed... the default install takes about an hour, the workstation ~40min here | 11:53 |
| Tode | ogra --> ok. I got the Ubuntu C, not the Edubuntu... I could install the softwares regarding the education later ? | 12:04 |
| ogra | Tode, if you only want the wrokstation version, thats easy... just install edubuntu-desktop on top... for the ltsp version (classroom server which is the default) you have to do some manual work since the ltsp setup happens from the installer... | 12:06 |
| Tode | Ogra --> yeah I want just the workstation. edubuntu-desktop... it's like a patch to install after ubuntu? sorry, I'm such a lame on this... I used to get RedHat... (noo, don't ban me please!!! ;) ) | 12:10 |
| ogra | lol | 12:11 |
| ogra | its installing all the edu apps and the branding (edubuntu-artwork) on top of ubuntu... | 12:11 |
| ogra | Tode, fabbione seems active on #ubuntu-devel ... | 12:13 |
| Tode | ogra --> yeah I contact him in private, but he seems a little busy... | 12:15 |
| Tode | he told me to let a message on -kernel, what I did | 12:16 |
| ogra | ah, fine | 12:16 |
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| Velmont | [There is already a dhcp-server here at school; so I don't want the edubuntu ltsp-server to be one, is that even possible? Won't PXE work without? | 12:59 |
| ogra | Velmont, look at the wiring wikipage... there isa setup with two NICs ... | 01:00 |
| Velmont | ogra: Yep, - saw that one, but I don't want them connected like that either :p | 01:01 |
| ogra | attach one of them to the normal dhcp served network and dedicate one to the thin clients that runs its own server | 01:01 |
| ogra | you dont need to set up NAT between the NICs :O) | 01:02 |
| Velmont | ogra: Ok, so you NEED to have it dhcp-ed from the ltsp? | 01:02 |
| Velmont | So no need for me to even try? | 01:02 |
| ogra | nope, but setting it up different is a lot of fiddling... | 01:02 |
| Velmont | (these computers are 200m away from here, so putting up a cable between them is hard, im just using the schools net ;] ) | 01:03 |
| ogra | you need to know a lot about dhcpd configuration... the easier way is to add a second NIC post install and to attach this one to the normal net | 01:03 |
| ogra | there is no NAT needed .... | 01:04 |
| Velmont | Mkay. -- I'll try w/o internet and grab a client later than. Cant test right now. | 01:04 |
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| Reboot_me | Hi. I'm doing research for a public school here in denmark, and was wondering if schooltools have been translated into danish? | 02:09 |
| ogra | have you looked at www.schooltool.org ? | 02:10 |
| Reboot_me | ok, will do. thx | 02:10 |
| Reboot_me | I think I will have to translate ST myself. :) | 02:13 |
| ogra | Reboot_me, i'm not sure if its in rosetta yet, if not, you should poke the guys on #launchpad to make it available for easy translation | 02:14 |
| Reboot_me | Rosetta Translation Overview for SchoolBell is 79.91% finished | 02:15 |
| Reboot_me | Schooltool not started yet | 02:15 |
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| Reboot_me | I got my answer, thx for your help | 02:17 |
| ogra | youre welcome :) | 02:17 |
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| linescanner | ogra: you well ? | 02:20 |
| ogra | yup.... | 02:20 |
| linescanner | got a minute ? | 02:20 |
| ogra | quite busy packing my bags and doing all stuff i need to do before the conference | 02:20 |
| ogra | a minute ? sure ... | 02:20 |
| linescanner | More general ltsp than edubuntu | 02:21 |
| linescanner | you tried hp t5125 thin clients ? | 02:21 |
| ogra | nope | 02:21 |
| ogra | whats the prob with them ? | 02:22 |
| linescanner | they appear to have via video cards but the only way to get them to work is to set X_MOUSE_DEV to /dev/input/mice | 02:22 |
| linescanner | then they work but are unstable | 02:22 |
| linescanner | any ideas ? | 02:23 |
| ogra | did you try /dev/pasaux and have the chroot loading psmouse ? | 02:23 |
| linescanner | tried /dev/psaux and it fails | 02:24 |
| ogra | you confirmed the module is loaded ? | 02:24 |
| linescanner | how do i check ? | 02:25 |
| ogra | lo in on console on the thin client and run lsmod for example | 02:25 |
| ogra | or check /opt/ltsp/etc7modules | 02:25 |
| linescanner | just going to look | 02:26 |
| ogra | err... /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules indeed :) | 02:26 |
| linescanner | cannot get to a console on the thin | 02:28 |
| ogra | oh, why ? | 02:28 |
| linescanner | ??????????????????? | 02:28 |
| ogra | you are running ubuntu ltsp ? | 02:29 |
| linescanner | no standard | 02:29 |
| ogra | you should be able to switch to console | 02:29 |
| ogra | oh, ok... | 02:29 |
| ogra | no real experience over here with legacy ltsp | 02:29 |
| linescanner | ahh. I shall not trouble you further :) | 02:30 |
| ogra | i'm good at guessing though :) | 02:30 |
| linescanner | :) | 02:31 |
| linescanner | got a shell on the thin now | 02:31 |
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| ogra | lsmod ? | 02:31 |
| linescanner | needed to revert back to /dev/input/mice | 02:32 |
| ogra | should show you something like psmouse and mousedev | 02:32 |
| linescanner | got mousedev | 02:32 |
| ogra | cat /etc/modules | 02:33 |
| ogra | is psmouse in there ? | 02:33 |
| linescanner | no such file | 02:33 |
| ogra | try to create it on the server in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules and add psmouse to it... | 02:33 |
| ogra | then reboot the client with /dev/pmouse for the input device and see if it works | 02:34 |
| linescanner | is that in ......etc/modules.conf ? | 02:34 |
| ogra | nope, just /etc/modules in the chroot | 02:35 |
| ogra | should work since kernel 2.0 ... you force the loading of that module | 02:35 |
| linescanner | where does legacy ltsp set the chroot ?# | 02:35 |
| ogra | not in /opt/ltsp ? | 02:36 |
| ogra | probably /lts or /ltsp ? | 02:36 |
| linescanner | I may be being dumb but I can't find it | 02:37 |
| ogra | hmm... it must be somewhere, else your client wouldnt boot :) | 02:38 |
| linescanner | I have the ltsp root at /opt/ltsp | 02:39 |
| linescanner | I have had a blond moment | 02:40 |
| ogra | ah, fine... then look for etc/modules in there, if it doesnt exist, just create it... | 02:40 |
| linescanner | I have /opt/ltsp/i386/etc it has modules.conf | 02:40 |
| ogra | not modules.conf just modules | 02:41 |
| linescanner | touch modules yes | 02:41 |
| ogra | modules.conf is for giving options to the modules | 02:41 |
| ogra | add psmouse to thus file, try to boot with /dev/psmouse in your lts.conf and see if it works then | 02:42 |
| ogra | if not, it was at least worth the try :) | 02:42 |
| linescanner | just rebootin | 02:43 |
| Tode_ | ogra --> I'm installing Ubuntu.. I'm so excited !!! :D | 02:43 |
| ogra | :) | 02:44 |
| linescanner | ogra: server failed :( | 02:44 |
| ogra | :( | 02:44 |
| ogra | then revert the change again | 02:44 |
| ogra | (remove the etc/modules file and change lts.conf back) | 02:45 |
| linescanner | done | 02:45 |
| linescanner | got a login screen but ith some noise on it | 02:45 |
| ogra | noise ? | 02:46 |
| linescanner | and a black square in the middle | 02:46 |
| linescanner | noise as in lines across | 02:46 |
| linescanner | mouse is usb by the way | 02:48 |
| ogra | err... oh... | 02:48 |
| ogra | then the effort was useless, sorry, i should hae asked earlier | 02:48 |
| linescanner | my fault.......sorry | 02:49 |
| ogra | lets agree its our both fault :) | 02:49 |
| linescanner | :) sound fair | 02:50 |
| linescanner | once logged in it looks fine, but when I ope star office it goes bad | 02:50 |
| linescanner | it works fiine untl I maximize the star office window | 02:51 |
| linescanner | it just locks with a load of screen corruption | 02:51 |
| ogra | doesnt sound like a mouse prob... | 02:53 |
| linescanner | I am at a loss. The unit two models up works fine | 02:55 |
| linescanner | The specs look the same with just a slower proc | 02:55 |
| linescanner | I will check the spec to see if thevideo caqrd is different | 02:56 |
| linescanner | other units have ati chips | 02:59 |
| Tode_ | install finished | 02:59 |
| Tode_ | :) | 02:59 |
| ogra | yay | 03:00 |
| Tode_ | now i got to find the edubuntu desktop stuff | 03:01 |
| Tode_ | ;) | 03:01 |
| ogra | its in the online repository.... | 03:01 |
| ogra | just run sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop | 03:02 |
| linescanner | it looks like a video issue. Auto detect works and then it locks :( | 03:02 |
| Tode_ | oh my... my network doesn't work... lol | 03:03 |
| Tode_ | ok good start then | 03:03 |
| Tode_ | ;) | 03:03 |
| Tode_ | btw, what is the online repository ogra? | 03:03 |
| ogra | arhive.ubuntu.com | 03:03 |
| ogra | *archive | 03:03 |
| ogra | its automatically enabled at install time | 03:04 |
| Tode_ | gotcha | 03:04 |
| Tode_ | it wasn't active (the connection eth0) | 03:04 |
| ogra | ah, ok | 03:06 |
| linescanner | ogra: thanks for your help. I am just off to smash this thin client to bits :) | 03:06 |
| ogra | nah... beating the HW wont solve it :) | 03:06 |
| linescanner | make me feel better | 03:07 |
| ogra | but its a bit expensive :) | 03:08 |
| linescanner | clients hardware :) | 03:09 |
| Tode_ | ogra --> i don't understand what you meant by "just run sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop" | 03:10 |
| Tode_ | ogra --> but there is an "installer" | 03:10 |
| Tode_ | ogra --> where i can choose what i want to install... it's great! :) | 03:11 |
| ogra | yup :) | 03:11 |
| ogra | apt-get install is the commandline equivalent :) | 03:11 |
| Tode_ | ok, then i could type this in a term, couldn't I? | 03:12 |
| ogra | yes, but if you already use the app installer, click on File->extended (german here... no idea how its called in other langs) | 03:13 |
| ogra | (probably advanced :) ) | 03:14 |
| Tode_ | i didn't use it yet | 03:14 |
| Tode_ | when i type apt-get install edubuntu-desktop | 03:15 |
| Tode_ | i got a error message | 03:15 |
| ogra | use sudo in front and give your user password :) | 03:15 |
| Tode_ | oh | 03:15 |
| Tode_ | this is why | 03:15 |
| Tode_ | ;) | 03:15 |
| Tode_ | impossible to find the paquet edubuntu-desktop... | 03:16 |
| Tode_ | lol | 03:16 |
| Tode_ | of course i didn't dowbnload it yet | 03:16 |
| Tode_ | lol | 03:16 |
| ogra | oh, sudo apt-get update ... first then | 03:16 |
| ogra | it should retrieve the package lists | 03:17 |
| Tode_ | ok, i try | 03:18 |
| Tode_ | sudo apt-get update done | 03:19 |
| Tode_ | but still the same error message : cant find the packet edubuntu-desktop... | 03:19 |
| ogra | what did the update command show you ? | 03:19 |
| ogra | its should have retrieved the package lists for main and restricted | 03:20 |
| ogra | Hole:12 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages [585kB] | 03:20 |
| ogra | should show up anywhere there (indeed in your language) | 03:21 |
| Tode_ | the update just show "reading the package.... Done" | 03:21 |
| ogra | oh | 03:21 |
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| Tode_ | only one line, this one... | 03:21 |
| Tode_ | strange isn't it? | 03:21 |
| ogra | open the app installer again and go to the advanced feature | 03:21 |
| ogra | this opens synaptic | 03:22 |
| ogra | there you open "Settings->Package sources" and click on the add button in the popup window | 03:23 |
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| ogra | (i guess the popup window will only show your CD) | 03:23 |
| Tode_ | i'm in synaptics | 03:25 |
| Tode_ | but i can't find the Settings>Package sources in french... arghh | 03:25 |
| ogra | its in the menu | 03:26 |
| Tode_ | i think i got it | 03:26 |
| ogra | fourth menu from the left, second option | 03:26 |
| Tode_ | i got only the CD as u said | 03:26 |
| ogra | click add | 03:26 |
| Tode_ | yup | 03:26 |
| ogra | there is a pulldown showing Breezy .... | 03:26 |
| Tode_ | yeah | 03:27 |
| ogra | and some checkboxes | 03:27 |
| Tode_ | yep | 03:27 |
| ogra | mark the checkboxes | 03:27 |
| ogra | click ok and you are done... | 03:27 |
| Tode_ | woohoo | 03:27 |
| Tode_ | u rocks | 03:27 |
| Tode_ | it's downloading stuff | 03:27 |
| ogra | afterwards you can click the searchbutton and search for edubuntu-desktop | 03:27 |
| ogra | then doubleclick the package and click the apply button (third one from the left in the button bar) | 03:28 |
| Tode_ | i've done the apt-get stuff | 03:28 |
| Tode_ | it's working | 03:28 |
| Tode_ | ;) | 03:28 |
| ogra | ah, fine too | 03:28 |
| Tode_ | yeah, i prefer learn the term way first | 03:29 |
| Tode_ | ;) | 03:29 |
| ogra | if its installed, log out and back in again on the desktop... you should have edubuntu then | 03:29 |
| Tode_ | it's still doing the installation | 03:31 |
| Tode_ | thanks a lot ogra, I owe u one | 03:32 |
| Tode_ | ;) | 03:32 |
| ogra | nah, i'm happy about every new user ;) | 03:32 |
| juliux | re | 03:32 |
| ogra | thats the biggest gift yu can make :) | 03:32 |
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| Tode_ | :) | 03:37 |
| Tode_ | now i'm on edubuntu :) | 03:37 |
| ogra | yay | 03:37 |
| Tode_ | cool! | 03:37 |
| Tode_ | mmhhh... | 03:37 |
| Tode_ | maybe i'll install fvwm2 later... ;) | 03:38 |
| Tode_ | thanks again ogra | 03:38 |
| ogra | lol | 03:38 |
| Tode_ | :) | 03:38 |
| ogra | youre wecome | 03:38 |
| Tode_ | ;) | 03:38 |
| juliux | Tode_, gnome rocks | 03:38 |
| Tode_ | hey! | 03:38 |
| Tode_ | right | 03:38 |
| ogra | you can use fvwm2 with gnome ;) | 03:38 |
| Tode_ | that's the point! :) | 03:38 |
| juliux | ogra, but it isn't very nice | 03:38 |
| Tode_ | why? | 03:38 |
| Baldzius | hi | 03:38 |
| ogra | might be, never tried it | 03:38 |
| juliux | Tode_, is my opinion | 03:39 |
| Baldzius | where i can get complete list of edubuntu packages? | 03:39 |
| ogra | Baldzius, for the desktop: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop | 03:40 |
| Tode_ | juliux --> i saw screenshots of fvwm2, this is what i want! ;) but maybe i have to check themes of Gnome before installing fvwm2....... | 03:41 |
| ogra | Baldzius, and the server: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server | 03:41 |
| juliux | Tode_, this is a very good idea | 03:41 |
| ogra | Baldzius, by default both are installed as http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes states | 03:41 |
| Tode_ | juliux --> ;) | 03:42 |
| Baldzius | ogra thanks, i want to install edubuntu for my friend's kids and i need games as more as possible | 03:42 |
| Baldzius | is edubuntu for me? | 03:42 |
| ogra | Baldzius, sure :) | 03:42 |
| juliux | Baldzius, what kind of games? | 03:42 |
| Baldzius | well i don't know there 5 kids | 03:43 |
| Baldzius | oldest is 10y | 03:43 |
| Baldzius | iirc | 03:43 |
| ogra | Baldzius, but there are more games than the ones included, you might want to look additionally at childsplay etc | 03:43 |
| ogra | Baldzius, http://www.edubuntu.org/tour.html might give a slight impression | 03:43 |
| Yagisan | Baldzius: I can't recommend opengl based games - they go too slow over ltsp/edubuntu systems | 03:44 |
| ogra | Baldzius, if you only want a standalone install, use the workstation install as outlined in the install notes | 03:44 |
| Baldzius | no i don't need opengl games, the computer is quite old PII 350 iirc | 03:45 |
| Baldzius | i just need a lot of games as more as possible :) | 03:45 |
| ogra | make sure you have enough memeory then... | 03:45 |
| Yagisan | Baldzius: they work fine in the "workstation" mode though | 03:45 |
| Baldzius | 128 | 03:45 |
| ogra | 256 should be in, else it will be slow... | 03:45 |
| ogra | its cheap to get some RAM on ebay for such old machines | 03:46 |
| Yagisan | P2 350 isn't that old /me looks at my p2 233 and p2 300 | 03:46 |
| ogra | Yagisan, more than 5 years is old for a PC :) | 03:46 |
| Yagisan | ogra: If it's still useful - (and in my case still generating a ROE) it's not too old | 03:47 |
| ogra | i didnt say "too old" :) | 03:47 |
| ogra | i run a PI 133 with 64 MB as router here.... it will still not be too old the next years :) | 03:48 |
| Yagisan | I have a Cryrix 6x86 PR150+ (120MHz) still, but the fan is wearing out | 03:49 |
| ogra | i bet it could run without :) | 03:50 |
| Yagisan | It's a cyrix - it could fry an egg | 03:50 |
| Tode_ | juliux --> i found stuff on art.gnome.org | 03:50 |
| ogra | take off the case | 03:50 |
| Tode_ | ;) | 03:50 |
| Yagisan | ogra: you pc's have cases ?!??! | 03:51 |
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| ogra | the ones that are not in my workroom, yes :) | 03:51 |
| ogra | else my GF would already have left because of the noise :) | 03:52 |
| Yagisan | my wife doesn't like the noise either :( | 03:52 |
| Baldzius | ok thanks i think i'll try edubuntu :) | 03:52 |
| ogra | :) | 03:52 |
| ogra | Baldzius, if you got questions, just come back here :) | 03:53 |
| Baldzius | :) | 03:53 |
| Yagisan | she even complains^W expresses herself that the p2 300 I set up as a thin client for her is too noisy | 03:53 |
| ogra | you should probably rip out the idling scsi drives ;) | 03:54 |
| Yagisan | It has two ! moving parts - the cpu fan, and the power supply fan | 03:54 |
| Yagisan | I don't have SCSI :( | 03:54 |
| Yagisan | I do have a nice SATA/PATA 7200RPM RAID for mys desktop | 03:54 |
| Yagisan | mmm 600GB RAID5 | 03:55 |
| ogra | i have one scsi machin... the only one where i never see the bootsplash because it takes a minute to probe all drives | 03:55 |
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| Yagisan | as soon as I get support for ite8212 ide controllers in the ubuntu installer I'll be a happy man | 03:56 |
| ogra | Yagisan, patches are welcomed as usual ;) | 03:57 |
| Yagisan | just add 2 more 200GB 7200RPM 8M Seagate Barracudas to my RAID 5 array | 03:57 |
| Yagisan | ogra: kernel 2.6.13+ mainline | 03:57 |
| ogra | ah, k | 03:57 |
| ogra | dapper then :) | 03:57 |
| Yagisan | found it just a few days before the breezy release - it was just a bit too late to backport :( | 04:01 |
| ogra | yup | 04:01 |
| Yagisan | with 5 disks I expect to fully saturate my pci bus, and have a nice ~120MB/s transfer rate :) | 04:02 |
| highvoltage | ide pci bus saturation. that sounds so sweet. | 04:02 |
| Yagisan | I only get ~90MB/s now (RAID0) or ~60MB/s (RAID5), but it still makes the Windows users jealous :) | 04:04 |
| Yagisan | out of curiosity - what oversized beasts are you guys using as edubuntu/ltsp servers ? | 04:06 |
| ogra | 900Mhz PIII 256MB .... | 04:07 |
| ogra | really overized *g* | 04:07 |
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| Yagisan | 2Ghz Athlon64, 1.5GB, 600GB RAID5 here | 04:08 |
| Yagisan | compared to my client systems - it's obscenely powerful | 04:09 |
| vmarks | yow. I have a pIII 1ghz that I'd like to use as the ltsp server... but I haven't got it all sorted out yet. | 04:32 |
| ogra | just put in as much mem as you can | 04:33 |
| Yagisan | ogra: I'm trying, I've just run out of slots :-D | 04:41 |
| Yagisan | vmarks: That box is 4 years of savings - (it also has a 6800LE in it) - it won't have an update (except for discs) until 2008/9 | 04:43 |
| Yagisan | or unless someone knocks it off and I can put an insurance claim in - whichever happens first | 04:43 |
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| Velmont | I "stole" one from my school, think it is 2,7ghz. :) But guess it needs more RAM, anyway, it's just for pure testing and fun :] | 05:09 |
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| highvoltage | hi everyone | 07:06 |
| Yagisan | G'day highvoltage | 07:07 |
| highvoltage | how are things your side, Yagisan? | 07:08 |
| Yagisan | not bad, I'm up late with my wife doing the false labour thing | 07:09 |
| highvoltage | false labour!? | 07:10 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: yep - it's where the contractions start up in an irregular pattern, then stop | 07:12 |
| highvoltage | she's having a baby? congratulations! | 07:12 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: thanks :) poor woman has to suffer for a few more weeks, second bub is due Nov 20 | 07:13 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: when it happened with the first bub - that was freaky - I'd harrass^W speak to the hospital at the slightest contraction | 07:14 |
| highvoltage | baby's are just too complicated for me too understand. | 07:14 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: ohh - you'll understand one day ;) | 07:15 |
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| highvoltage | Yagisan: how old are you? | 07:21 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: 23, I'll be 24 on the 27th | 07:22 |
| highvoltage | cool. I'm 23 too. | 07:23 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: I'm a very busy 23 year old (insert tired smiley here) | 07:23 |
| highvoltage | me too, you have no idea. | 07:24 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: obligatory pimping of my website: http://www.eyagiconsulting.com | 07:24 |
| highvoltage | i've seen it, you've sent the link to me before :) | 07:24 |
| highvoltage | the question is, have you seen mine? | 07:24 |
| highvoltage | http://www.jonathancarter.co.za | 07:24 |
| highvoltage | although, mine is only a personal site, I don't have a business (yet) | 07:25 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: I am now | 07:25 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: so busy, uni exams (and I haven't really studied), new baby, need customers, and nearest family is in Tokyo | 07:26 |
| highvoltage | i must admit, i'm not as busy as i used to be. | 07:27 |
| highvoltage | i left home when i was 12, and worked since then, i think i was at my busiest when i was 17 | 07:27 |
| highvoltage | that was tough times. | 07:27 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: I was kicked out onto the street back in 1999 - that, to put it mildly, sucked | 07:30 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: no friends or family I could stay with :( | 07:31 |
| highvoltage | seems like 17 was tough for both of us. | 07:32 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: looks like it. I learned a lot about how people really are after that | 07:33 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: most of them - they could not give a shit if you live or die. | 07:34 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: others - they try to take advantage of you - they like to kick you when you're down. | 07:35 |
| highvoltage | yes. | 07:39 |
| highvoltage | i've come across some very, very bad people. | 07:40 |
| highvoltage | i think they've been my inspiration for being a good person, i feel i need to balance them out. | 07:40 |
| highvoltage | fight all the evils of the world | 07:40 |
| highvoltage | destroy the Gates', etc. | 07:40 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: sorry - brought up some bad memories | 07:44 |
| highvoltage | Yagisan: sorry, didn't mean to do that. | 07:45 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: no worries, it happens occasionally. | 07:45 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: how was the edubuntu cake ? | 07:46 |
| highvoltage | JaneW makes good cake. | 07:46 |
| highvoltage | i can understand why her kids would make plans to steal it :) | 07:46 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: you didn't make it to UDU did you ? I don't remember seeing you there | 07:47 |
| highvoltage | no, i didn't. | 07:48 |
| highvoltage | i'll make it down there one day, that I can promise you :) | 07:49 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: obviously I won't be at UBZ, for good reasons (no money, and bub is due) | 07:50 |
| highvoltage | me neither. | 07:51 |
| highvoltage | same reasons minus bub :) | 07:51 |
| Yagisan | :) | 07:52 |
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| === Topic (#edubuntu): set by JaneW at Wed Oct 19 14:51:34 2005 | ||
| Yagisan | highvoltage: I'm the ugly one | 08:01 |
| highvoltage | my connection is too slow, i keep timing out while trying to view it (dodgy gprs connection) | 08:02 |
| highvoltage | i'll look at it tomorrow :) | 08:02 |
| \sh | highvoltage: my connection is fast...but the same result | 08:02 |
| === Yagisan goes to check the load on my firewall then | ||
| \sh | overclock your linksys ,) | 08:03 |
| highvoltage | hehe | 08:04 |
| \sh | highvoltage: and I'm really jealous...that u had this good looking cake made by jane... | 08:04 |
| Yagisan | It's an ubuntu breezy box | 08:04 |
| Yagisan | agghhhhhhhhhh | 08:04 |
| Yagisan | and it didn't run my traffic shaping script in /ppp/ip.up when my isp cycled me | 08:05 |
| highvoltage | \sh: :) next time, i'll invite you to south africa and keep you a piece :) | 08:06 |
| Yagisan | hopefully it won't time out now - but the png is 750K (should have made a .jpg instead) | 08:07 |
| \sh | highvoltage: well...regarding the immigration laws in ZA...I need first a job to work and live in ZA..if u hear anything about a company who needs a good sysadmin/ops guy and linux fanatic..please give them my name and email address :) | 08:09 |
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| \sh | Yagisan: black coffee..makes u pretty as well :) | 08:11 |
| highvoltage | \sh: i might be starting a business next year, so if i'll be able to afford it, i'll give you a call ;) | 08:11 |
| Yagisan | \sh: my better half likes me without bloodshot eyes | 08:11 |
| \sh | highvoltage: well...for the start I only need a job and a place to sleep...and some drinks and food... | 08:11 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: cost more then I thought starting up (advertising is what kills you) | 08:12 |
| highvoltage | \sh: i wish we could always see it that way | 08:13 |
| highvoltage | people just always want more. | 08:13 |
| highvoltage | even linux knows that less is more ;) | 08:13 |
| \sh | highvoltage: I had the adventure already of building up a company...2 years with a couple of bucks but 24h of work | 08:13 |
| \sh | highvoltage: so I know what I | 08:14 |
| \sh | argl...uk keyboard | 08:14 |
| \sh | so i know what i'm doing :) | 08:14 |
| Yagisan | \sh | 08:14 |
| Yagisan | what went wrong ? | 08:14 |
| \sh | Yagisan: nothing....I just met a girl...the company still exist | 08:15 |
| highvoltage | :) | 08:15 |
| Yagisan | ahh, women, they take up so much time | 08:15 |
| highvoltage | when i have money, i'm going to start an organisation similar to "project mayhem" from the fight club movie. | 08:15 |
| \sh | Yagisan: after 5 years and really 18h per day work...it was time to concentrate on something else then cisco routers and computers | 08:16 |
| === Yagisan understands 18hr days | ||
| \sh | Yagisan: so a woman and a child was the best what happened to me | 08:16 |
| === highvoltage too | ||
| Yagisan | \sh: boy or girl ? | 08:16 |
| \sh | Yagisan: boy | 08:17 |
| \sh | Yagisan: stepson | 08:17 |
| Yagisan | cool. I think my next one is a boy | 08:17 |
| Yagisan | \sh: my first is a little girl (that acts like a boy) | 08:18 |
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| \sh | Yagisan: nice :) lucky man :) we tried to have a girl as well...but someone said no | 08:19 |
| Yagisan | \sh: I'll post a pic when I find and scan a nice one | 08:20 |
| \sh | Yagisan: well...piece of advise..family comes first...don't do the same mistake i did :( | 08:20 |
| Yagisan | \sh: my wife has decided to cut my nuts off if I want more kids, I think thats a no | 08:20 |
| \sh | Yagisan: 1. family 2. you 3. work | 08:21 |
| Yagisan | \sh: as the are my only family, they come first. That was a major factor in starting my business | 08:21 |
| highvoltage | i respect people who understand priorities. | 08:22 |
| Yagisan | \sh: So I can be with them when they need me (which means that for the last 5 months business has really suffered) | 08:22 |
| \sh | Yagisan: yeah...and I made a big big mistake..and work came first for me :( and now I'm missing my ex and the little one badly...sometimes it eats me up | 08:22 |
| highvoltage | lots of people just want to make everything top priority, which basically means that they don't have priorities. | 08:22 |
| Yagisan | \sh: I feel for you. I told my ex-boss to fuck himself when it started causing to much friction at home | 08:23 |
| \sh | highvoltage: sometimes it's hard..when u want everything for your family..at this time I wasn't able to see this..but now...I made my mistake... | 08:23 |
| Yagisan | \sh: I don't have any other family - I don't want to lose this one | 08:24 |
| \sh | highvoltage: actually this is one of the mistakes u never do again | 08:24 |
| highvoltage | hindsight is 20/20. | 08:24 |
| Yagisan | \sh: true, I was interview a job interstate, but my wife couldn't go there. I had to make a choice | 08:25 |
| Yagisan | \sh: I picked my wife, but at the time all she was concerned about was that I threw away the chance to provide for her | 08:26 |
| Yagisan | and the kid(s) | 08:26 |
| highvoltage | i've been lucky in the sense that i haven't made big mistakes yet. although, i have suffered from other people's mistakes. having said that, i think 1st hand experience is best. | 08:26 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: repeat after me - I'd rather learn from others mistakes | 08:26 |
| highvoltage | "I'd rather learn from others mistakes" | 08:27 |
| Yagisan | \sh: I hope things get better for you | 08:27 |
| highvoltage | although, most people who say that, are only capable of learning from their own ;) | 08:27 |
| \sh | Yagisan: yeah...and that's why I want to go away from germany..my ex is born in ZA and I promised her, that I will work and live there...and she agreed to come with when this happens...because she has all her family there..and her family is a type of "mafia" in peter maritzburg..so she can kill me if I'm making the same mistake a second time | 08:27 |
| highvoltage | wow, i didn't realise it was that serious. | 08:28 |
| Yagisan | \sh: I need to finish my uni degree and move to .jp in 2007 with my wife | 08:28 |
| \sh | Yagisan: sounds great :) .jp must be fun | 08:28 |
| Yagisan | \sh: I got the visa paper ready to go | 08:28 |
| Yagisan | \sh: /me has to learn .jp first | 08:29 |
| \sh | highvoltage: well...my family (father mother etc.) i don't have any contact anymore...and when I met her family (living in durban, indians), they accepted me from the first minute as one of them... | 08:29 |
| highvoltage | \sh: you work for canonical, right? does it matter where you work? | 08:29 |
| \sh | highvoltage: no..i don't work for canonical | 08:29 |
| Yagisan | \sh: in 2007 my wife is leaving - with or without me. That was the deal. She's been in .au for 8 years now | 08:30 |
| \sh | highvoltage: i'm just an ubuntu volunteer motu :) | 08:30 |
| Yagisan | \sh: She was supposed to be here for 1 | 08:30 |
| \sh | Yagisan: wow...this is quite hard...she knows what she wants...is she from .jp? | 08:31 |
| Yagisan | \sh: you didn't see the pic did you ? | 08:31 |
| \sh | Yagisan: didn't work :( | 08:31 |
| Yagisan | \sh: She doesn't get treated to well here (we live in a poorer area full of "refugees" that are frankly rather racist) | 08:32 |
| \sh | highvoltage: and my wish to leave germany..is no joke...that's my plan and wish and I will fulfill this wish/dream/plan whatever | 08:32 |
| Yagisan | \sh: still times out ? | 08:32 |
| \sh | Yagisan: connecting...and then nothing | 08:32 |
| \sh | time out message is missing but it will come | 08:33 |
| Yagisan | \sh: I'll load it onto my isp pages | 08:33 |
| highvoltage | \sh: it is your destiny. if you persue it, it will happen. | 08:33 |
| Yagisan | try here http://users.tpg.com.au/yagisan/images/yagi_and_yama.png | 08:34 |
| \sh | Yagisan: I see :) | 08:35 |
| \sh | moment :) | 08:35 |
| Yagisan | \sh: It was so hard to get her too | 08:36 |
| \sh | Yagisan: http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/SouthAfrica/082003/AUT_0248.JPG.html?g2_navId=xb2cf9922 | 08:39 |
| \sh | my son | 08:39 |
| \sh | http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/SouthAfrica/082003/HPIM0038.JPG.html?g2_navId=xb2cf9922 | 08:39 |
| \sh | my ex | 08:39 |
| \sh | i hope i set the right permissions now | 08:39 |
| Yagisan | \sh: cool | 08:40 |
| \sh | Yagisan: well...u can browse around :) these are the pictures of my visit in za 2003 | 08:41 |
| \sh | there r others from dubai etc. | 08:41 |
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| \sh | think highvoltage will recognize many of the locations :) hermanus, durban, etc. | 08:42 |
| \sh | actually i have to scan the other 200 paper pictures | 08:42 |
| Yagisan | \sh: your son, he looks like a ladies man | 08:43 |
| \sh | Yagisan: in primary school all girls fell in love with him...:) | 08:43 |
| Yagisan | \sh: thought so :) | 08:44 |
| \sh | good to know, that he is now on a boys only school :) | 08:44 |
| === Yagisan locks my daughter away | ||
| === Yagisan swallows the key | ||
| \sh | hehehe | 08:45 |
| \sh | yeah..jblacks daughter said as well, that he is cute...:) | 08:45 |
| Yagisan | heh | 08:45 |
| \sh | Yagisan: http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/SouthAfrica/September2003/HPIM0121.JPG.html?g2_navId=xb2cf9922 | 08:46 |
| \sh | this is the eldest son of my ex :) | 08:46 |
| Yagisan | \sh: he also looks popular | 08:47 |
| \sh | Yagisan: he's a womanizer | 08:48 |
| \sh | 25 | 08:48 |
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| Yagisan | \sh: he's older the me | 08:48 |
| Yagisan | s/the/then | 08:48 |
| Yagisan | aghh it dawn | 08:49 |
| Yagisan | my wife will kill me if she realises I didn't go to bed | 08:49 |
| \sh | Yagisan: btw...http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/SouthAfrica/September2003/HPIM0189.JPG.html?g2_navId=xb2cf9922 linux in capetown :) | 08:49 |
| Yagisan | cute | 08:49 |
| \sh | but...we're totally off topic *lol* | 08:50 |
| Yagisan | details details | 08:50 |
| Yagisan | \sh: have I pimped my business website to you ? | 08:50 |
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| Yagisan | I think it's a great example of what happens when an engineer builds a website. | 08:51 |
| \sh | Yagisan: no..:) | 08:51 |
| Yagisan | \sh: http://www.eyagiconsulting.com | 08:51 |
| \sh | Yagisan: and this is marks hometown ,) at least the nicest part i think from cape town :) http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/SouthAfrica/September2003/HPIM0178.JPG.html?g2_navId=xb2cf9922 | 08:52 |
| Yagisan | \sh: not all links work - I haven't finished making content | 08:52 |
| \sh | Yagisan: but everything css? | 08:52 |
| Yagisan | \sh: yep all ccs (well some javascript only in IE to make it correctly do css) | 08:53 |
| Yagisan | \sh: nice shot | 08:53 |
| \sh | Yagisan: taken from table mountain...well...the girl from the tourist office in durban told us, it would snow in cape town...when we reached capetown after one week...27 degrees celsius and warm...and I had only warm clothes with me... | 08:55 |
| Yagisan | \sh: I arrived in Tokyo, in the middle of winter - in shorts and a t-shirt =-O | 08:56 |
| \sh | yeah... | 08:56 |
| \sh | Yagisan: btw..this is my fav city in ZA...http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/SouthAfrica/September2003/HPIM0232.JPG.html?g2_navId=xb2cf9922 | 08:56 |
| Yagisan | \sh: feel free to mail feedback on my site :) | 08:57 |
| \sh | Yagisan: Durban :) many indians are living there...indian ocean right in front of your house door... | 08:57 |
| Yagisan | \sh: it was 3 degrees outside when I arrived | 08:57 |
| \sh | Yagisan: hmm...u should ask ogras gf to pimp it ;) | 08:58 |
| Yagisan | \sh: what does she do ? | 08:58 |
| \sh | Yagisan: webdesign :) | 08:58 |
| \sh | Yagisan: i mean...we all know html and css techniques...but coders are not good UI people :) | 08:59 |
| === \sh speaks for himself now :) | ||
| Yagisan | \sh: yeah, but I love my colours and layout. I just need to make it more "professional" | 09:00 |
| Yagisan | \sh: without making it less accessible - or harder to translate, and it has to go down 56K links | 09:00 |
| \sh | Yagisan: yeah...the colors are nice ... but the layout has to be improved somehow...with css... | 09:01 |
| \sh | css zen garden is a good location to see what css can actually...and I wonder if i could get one of those people to create a webpage for sourcecode.de or linux-server.org | 09:01 |
| Yagisan | \sh: like my menus ? | 09:02 |
| \sh | Yagisan: yeah...i'm totally for css style menus...because it just works | 09:02 |
| Yagisan | \sh: I had it looking a bit better with fake frames and it looked good. Then I tried it in IE - it looked like a dogs breakfast | 09:03 |
| Yagisan | \sh: IE needs javascript just to get that css to work :( | 09:03 |
| Yagisan | 5am - /me is going to sleep | 09:04 |
| \sh | yeah...I have to go as well.. | 09:04 |
| \sh | I have to do some preparations for the night work tomorrow | 09:04 |
| Yagisan | ok - night all | 09:05 |
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| pirast | Hi. I have a two questions to Edubuntu: 1: How can I use thin clients with Edubuntu? Is there something like a HowTO? 2: How many thin client can I connect to a server (via 100 Mbit/s LAN)? | 09:34 |
| bluefrog-10 | how big is the machine u want use for server? | 09:36 |
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| pirast | 1 GB Ram, Pentium with 3 GHz I think.. | 09:37 |
| pirast | Because we have a lot of problems with windows server 2003 at school I suggested the responsible teacher to try Edubuntu via thin client architectur (I love Ubuntu).. But he noticed that the network could be not fast enough so I promised to ask ;-) | 09:41 |
| ogra | 1 Gb is a bit small... you should donate at least 128 MB to each client ... note that all apps run on the server in ltsp the network wont be the drawback here | 09:43 |
| ogra | 100 MBit is fine for that | 09:43 |
| pirast | ok, thanks :-) | 09:44 |
| bluefrog-10 | just avoid screensavers | 09:44 |
| pirast | ok :-) | 09:44 |
| ogra | if you want more precise numbers, idel a bit here and try to get your hands on highvoltage, he runs the tuxlabs ltsp setups with edubuntu with about 20 clients | 09:44 |
| ogra | the screensavers are disabled automatically if a thin client session is detected :) | 09:45 |
| pirast | is it also possible to install Edubuntu on each client but to have a central file / login server so that the user has his data at every pc available? | 09:45 |
| bluefrog-10 | ltsp is the deal | 09:46 |
| ogra | yes, but there you'll have to do everything manually, the target for the current release was a single classroom ltttsp seup with only thin clients... target of the next release is one school | 09:46 |
| ogra | *ltsp setup | 09:47 |
| pirast | ahh, ok, thanks :-) | 09:47 |
| pirast | it sounds great :-) | 09:47 |
| ogra | there we'll also target thicker clients and hopefully local disks on the clients | 09:47 |
| ogra | and a centralized user management solution... | 09:48 |
| pirast | ok :-) | 09:49 |
| pirast | is there a howto / guide how to install Edubuntu in a thin client classroom setup? | 09:50 |
| bluefrog-10 | install ubuntu. install ldap + samba or nfs. install ubuntu on clients with ldap authentication and nfs mount (or samba) | 09:50 |
| ogra | it happ4ens nearly automatically... | 09:50 |
| pirast | ok, thx | 09:50 |
| ogra | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | 09:51 |
| ogra | has some instructions | 09:51 |
| ogra | see the LtspServerSetup page linked at the bottom ... | 09:51 |
| pirast | ok | 09:51 |
| pirast | I think we have some very old pcs in our school that are not used, maybe I can convince the tacher to try Edubuntu there ;-) | 09:52 |
| bluefrog-10 | do you need sound? | 09:52 |
| pirast | No, I don't think so | 09:52 |
| bluefrog-10 | so go on edubuntu's for u | 09:52 |
| bluefrog-10 | will be esay | 09:53 |
| ogra | next release will have sound support, promised :) | 09:53 |
| pirast | yes.. | 09:53 |
| pirast | I know | 09:53 |
| pirast | I also looked at the roadmap :-) | 09:53 |
| pirast | or something else.. | 09:53 |
| ogra | thast only a rhough direction... we'll spec the precise roadmap next week at the conference in montreal | 09:53 |
| bluefrog-10 | ogra do u know if ther's a way to install xdm on ubuntu? | 09:53 |
| ogra | you mean for the thin clients ? | 09:54 |
| ogra | instead of ldm ? | 09:54 |
| ogra | or as a desktop login manager for a normal ubuntu setup ? | 09:55 |
| bluefrog-10 | for clients to use yes instaed of gdm on normal ubuntu + ltsp. i will move to dapper when it's going out but right now no sound is a nono for me so i a do my own ubuntu ltsp so that i can avoid K12lstp | 09:55 |
| ogra | ah, you run ltsp 4.1 on ubuntu then ? | 09:56 |
| bluefrog-10 | yes | 09:56 |
| ogra | i know xdm had a weird bug ... try it, you can always deinstall it... | 09:56 |
| bluefrog-10 | the only drawback compared to K12 is gdm. too solow ompared to xdm on K12 | 09:57 |
| ogra | switch off the themeing | 09:57 |
| ogra | you can do that in gdmconfig... just choose "classical greeter" and probably put a background image in the back | 09:58 |
| bluefrog-10 | really? hum will try. | 09:58 |
| bluefrog-10 | and yes indeed i believe that's what K12 does | 09:58 |
| ogra | the fullscreen themeing is the slowdown factor... | 09:58 |
| ogra | it uses the gnomecanvas library, that one is quite slow... | 09:59 |
| ogra | with plain gtk it should be a lot faster, bt it doesnt look as good :) | 09:59 |
| bluefrog-10 | by the way do u want a file/paste describing the samba+ldap install on ubuntu? | 10:00 |
| ogra | could you mail it ? | 10:01 |
| bluefrog-10 | give mail | 10:01 |
| ogra | or even add a wikipage to wiki.edubuntu.org | 10:01 |
| ogra | ogra@ubuntu.com :) | 10:01 |
| pirast | I want an Ubuntu email adress, too !!!11111!! ;-) | 10:02 |
| ogra | i can probably wave it in in the discussion next week https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-use-management | 10:02 |
| bluefrog-10 | no wiki right now, it's only a list of things to do. have taaken screenshots and i have to explain things in good english for everybody to do it. but it shouldn't be a pb for u as it is now | 10:02 |
| ogra | pirast, easy to get now :) | 10:03 |
| ogra | we just started to give them away to all members ... | 10:03 |
| pirast | lol :-) | 10:04 |
| ogra | to become a member you need a wikipage describing yourself, need to make a valuable contribution of any kind (artwork, a help document, code, bugfixing, help packaging etc) and got to a community council meeting to get approved | 10:05 |
| ogra | s/got/go/ | 10:05 |
| bluefrog-10 | and i've been a bit refrained from wiki as i did a wiki on set up ltsp on ubuntu (unfortunately without stating that it was just to wait for dapper to come out) and this wiki has been redirected to the edubuntultspsetup | 10:05 |
| ogra | the meetings happen every two weeks in #ubuntu-meeting :) | 10:05 |
| ogra | oh | 10:06 |
| pirast | ogra: Is Bugreporting in upcoming releases also a valuable contribution? Sorry for off topic -.- | 10:06 |
| ogra | erm, you maen for not yet existing software ? | 10:07 |
| ogra | *g* | 10:07 |
| pirast | No, I mean for example reporting bugs in Dapper Drake till it is stable :-P :-D | 10:07 |
| pirast | Sorry when it was not really clear, my English is not the best. | 10:07 |
| ogra | indeed the most important bugs for us are the ones in the development version --- | 10:07 |
| pirast | Yes, I mean the development version :-) | 10:08 |
| ogra | sorry i was kidding you a bit... indeed i understood :) | 10:08 |
| pirast | ahh ok ;-) Sorry I'm a little bit tired.. | 10:08 |
| ogra | yup, the most important bugs are the ones in dapper during the next six months... | 10:09 |
| pirast | Hehe I am a little bit confused.. I will think about having an ubuntu.com email adress but actually it was a joke ;-) | 10:11 |
| ogra | until about a month ago they were only available for employees, but now that we switch to launchpad, its a feature every member can have | 10:12 |
| pirast | Hm ok.. And I didn't know, wargh :-) | 10:13 |
| pirast | n8.. I go to bed :-) | 10:14 |
| pirast | cya maybe | 10:14 |
| ogra | night | 10:14 |
| ogra | :) | 10:14 |
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| bluefrog-10 | ogra, need to setup a mail server. freaking provider server prevents me from sending any attachments tonight. will send u that this week. | 11:28 |
| ogra | oki | 11:28 |
| bluefrog-10 | prevents me from sending to ubuntu.com as well that is weirder. | 11:29 |
| ogra | would be nice to let it go in to the edubuntuusermanagement spec | 11:29 |
| bluefrog-10 | what do u mean? | 11:29 |
| ogra | you can also send to ogra@canonical.com or hostmaster@grawert.net | 11:29 |
| ogra | i'll have to work out a spec for edubuntu user management for the next release... that will involve ldap and i'd like o include samba too | 11:30 |
| ogra | thats one of my tasks at the conference | 11:30 |
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| bluefrog-10 | hum am starting to wonder if my mail provider is not blacklisted :) | 11:34 |
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| hyperactivecrond | i see we've changed the website to look like the default edubuntu ui | 11:41 |
| ogra | yup | 11:43 |
| hyperactivecrond | what is the point of schooltool agin? | 11:44 |
| ogra | calendaring | 11:44 |
| hyperactivecrond | thats it? ok | 11:44 |
| Velmont | Instead of Evolution? | 11:53 |
| ogra | nope... | 11:54 |
| ogra | its more something for schoolwide calendaring, webbased, and i admit a bit oversized for a single classroom :) | 11:55 |
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| mhz | hi y'all | 11:56 |
| Velmont | Well, Evolution is so hard when I work on 3-4 different computers. Should be a way to make it work against a server for calendaring... | 11:59 |
| Velmont | But not Exchange or the Novell-thing, only want good FOSS-stuff. | 11:59 |
| mhz | Velmont: LDAP | 12:00 |
| Velmont | mhz: Does that work with several different Linux OS-es and in different locations? Maybe just an NFS-over-ssh-export of the .evolution-file...? :) | 12:02 |
| mhz | Velmont: afaik, LDAP is a service you configure on the server side, and lets you share Calendar, Addressbook, etc from diff clients. | 12:03 |
| mhz | it's Distro independant | 12:03 |
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