[12:53] <crimsun> Vovin was a great album
[01:07] <mhz> crimsun: indeed
[08:43] <Velmont> First the wiki-installation-notes page says it installs an LTSP THIN client by default, but then you go on saying you install an LTSP SERVER by default (by just pressing <enter>)? :o How is it really?
[08:59] <juliux> it install a ltsp server
[08:59] <juliux> if you have the edubuntu install cd
[09:27] <Velmont> juliux: How can I install an ltsp client than? - I've got that CD (Well, 98% finished now)
[09:28] <juliux> Velmont, you didn't need to install the client
[09:28] <juliux> Velmont, the client boots via pxe 
[09:29] <juliux> Velmont, if the client pxe don't support you need a image from here http://www.rom-o-matic.net/
[09:40] <Velmont> Cool :]  I'll try when I've got the server up.
[09:41] <juliux> Velmont, it works here very good
[09:41] <juliux> Velmont, as client you can use diskless computers
[11:09] <Tode> hi there
[11:09] <Tode> any french people in there?
[11:12] <Tode> Ok
[11:12] <Tode> I'm working for a company which makes IWB (Interactive White Board)
[11:13] <Tode> Our products work on Window$, Mac, but not on Linux
[11:13] <ogra> Tode, some of the gcomris folks are around form time to time...
[11:13] <ogra> *gcompris
[11:14] <Tode> I've been told that if I want to develop a driver for Linux, maybe people from Edubuntu should be interested...
[11:14] <ogra> Tode, indeed....
[11:14] <Tode> gcompris, the software
[11:14] <Tode> ?
[11:14] <Tode> all right
[11:14] <ogra> yup...
[11:14] <Tode> thanks ogr
[11:14] <Tode> ogra
[11:14] <ogra> main development based in france :)
[11:15] <Tode> that's good news !
[11:15] <Tode> :)
[11:15] <ogra> Tode, but we use ubuntu underneath, so we dont do kernel or driver developmnt... i can get you in contact with the right people if you like :)
[11:15] <Tode> it'd be very nice orga!
[11:16] <ogra> our ubuntu main kernel developers are fabbione and BenC, you'll find them in #ubuntu-kernel or #ubuntu-devel regulary... 
[11:17] <Tode> great!
[11:17] <Tode> thanks a lot :) :)
[11:17] <ogra> fabbione@canonical.com and ben.collins@ubuntu.com ;)
[11:18] <Tode> :)
[11:18] <Tode> u rulez !!
[11:18] <ogra> note that ou conference starts end ov the week in canada, i dont know when they'll be travelling :)
[11:18] <Tode> ok
[11:19] <ogra> so they might be a bit unresponsive currently ...
[11:19] <Tode> all right
[11:21] <Velmont> Do they allow you to make a GPL'd driver?
[11:22] <Tode> I'm working on it ;)
[11:22] <Tode> actually
[11:22] <Tode> as I want to develop something for Linux
[11:22] <Tode> it HAVE to be a GPL stuff
[11:22] <Tode> you know what I mean ?
[11:22] <Velmont> To be included, yes. :)
[11:23] <Tode> :)
[11:24] <ogra> ...even if we prefer GPLed drivers, ubuntu also ships nonfre stuff (see ati and nvidia) as long as its under a redistributable license...
[11:24] <Velmont> That would be nice. I work at a school, we've got loads of "SMARTboards"... Maybe a competitor?
[11:24] <ogra> but a real GPL driver would be incredible cool :)
[11:25] <Tode> Smartstuff... oh my
[11:25] <Tode> yeah, I'm a competitor
[11:25] <Tode> ;)
[11:25] <Velmont> Hihi ;) Good, do better. :D
[11:26] <Tode> ogra --> GPL or nothing ;)
[11:26] <ogra> cool :)
[11:26] <Tode> Velmont --> my product is better from far
[11:26] <Tode> :)
[11:26] <Velmont> Ok ;) I don't like SMARTboards, I have to install them on Win98, which is a pain in the arse.
[11:27] <Tode> Velmont --> where are your school? 
[11:27] <Tode> oh my... where is
[11:27] <Tode> lol
[11:27] <Tode> Win98... wow...
[11:27] <Velmont> Tode: Norway. :) Students 16-19 years old.
[11:28] <Tode> old students aren't they?
[11:28] <Tode> ;)
[11:29] <Velmont> College, maybe that's the name :] 
[11:29] <Tode> mmhhh
[11:30] <Tode> in France, the name is Lyce
[11:30] <Tode> ;)
[11:30] <Velmont> Yep :) I know ;)
[11:31] <Tode> you know?
[11:31] <ogra> Velmont, you asked about the <enter> earlier .... if you dont hit any key, the CD wont just start installing ;)
[11:31] <Velmont> ogra: Hehe, I tried :) It's installing. 
[11:32] <ogra> so <enter> with no input gives you the default :)
[11:32] <Velmont> Tode: I have a french friend. I'm in france every second year, or more.
[11:33] <ogra> Velmont, great to see that there are people actually reading the istall notes *before* installing, we normally have the opposite here :) 
[11:33] <Velmont> ogra: Although I didn't really understand them 100% ;)
[11:34] <ogra> ask away if you got questions :)
[11:34] <Velmont> Hehe, I understood it now. -- My problem was that I didn't know how to "install" the clients... :)
[11:35] <Tode> Velmont --> ok! So you speak french? ;)
[11:35] <ogra> Velmont, you just boot them via PXE :) no install needed
[11:36] <Velmont> Tode: Hehe, no :) I understand some parts of the conversations. But want to learn it better; but, no time :p Should just move down a summer or something :P
[11:37] <Velmont> ogra: Yep, juliux told me, - I understood now ;] 
[11:37] <ogra> good :)
[11:39] <Tode> Velmont --> French is not easy to learn, but I think "Norvegien" is even harder !!
[11:40] <Velmont> Tode: My french friend and his brother is learning Norwegian :p His brother is better in Norwegian than I'm in French after 4 years at school.
[11:42] <Tode> Velmont --> no way...! Really? I'm impressed... I know a guy who went to Norway because his girlfriend is from this country. He told me he couldn't understand a think even after few months... :(
[11:42] <Tode> but he told me too that girls are beautiful in this country... ;)
[11:45] <Velmont> Tode: They always say that ;]  The french that is :) ~ But that family is half french/half german. So they know both native french and german, and they're both very good in English. So they took Norwegian pretty easily :)
[11:48] <Tode> Velmont --> ;)  It's amazing... everywhere in Europe, a lot of people speak english but in France, we suck...
[11:52] <Tode> how long to install edubuntu ?
[11:53] <ogra> that depends on your CD drive indeed... the default install takes about an hour, the workstation ~40min here
[12:04] <Tode> ogra --> ok. I got the Ubuntu C, not the Edubuntu... I could install the softwares regarding the education later ?
[12:06] <ogra> Tode, if you only want the wrokstation version, thats easy... just install edubuntu-desktop on top... for the ltsp version (classroom server which is the default) you have to do some manual work since the ltsp setup happens from the installer...
[12:10] <Tode> Ogra --> yeah I want just the workstation. edubuntu-desktop... it's like a patch to install after ubuntu? sorry, I'm such a lame on this... I used to get RedHat... (noo, don't ban me please!!! ;) )
[12:11] <ogra> lol
[12:11] <ogra> its installing all the edu apps and the branding (edubuntu-artwork) on top of ubuntu...
[12:13] <ogra> Tode, fabbione seems active on #ubuntu-devel ...
[12:15] <Tode> ogra --> yeah I contact him in private, but he seems a little busy...
[12:16] <Tode> he told me to let a message on -kernel, what I did
[12:16] <ogra> ah, fine
[12:59] <Velmont> [There is already a dhcp-server here at school; so I don't want the edubuntu ltsp-server to be one, is that even possible? Won't PXE work without?
[01:00] <ogra> Velmont, look at the wiring wikipage... there isa setup with two NICs ...
[01:01] <Velmont> ogra: Yep, - saw that one, but I don't want them connected like that either :p
[01:01] <ogra> attach one of them to the normal dhcp served network and dedicate one to the thin clients that runs its own server
[01:02] <ogra> you dont need to set up NAT between the NICs :O)
[01:02] <Velmont> ogra: Ok, so you NEED to have it dhcp-ed from the ltsp?
[01:02] <Velmont> So no need for me to even try?
[01:02] <ogra> nope, but setting it up different is a lot of fiddling... 
[01:03] <Velmont> (these computers are 200m away from here, so putting up a cable between them is hard, im just using the schools net ;] )
[01:03] <ogra> you need to know a lot about dhcpd configuration... the easier way is to add a second NIC post install and to attach this one to the normal net
[01:04] <ogra> there is no NAT needed ....
[01:04] <Velmont> Mkay. -- I'll try w/o internet and grab a client later than. Cant test right now. 
[02:09] <Reboot_me> Hi. I'm doing research for a public school here in denmark, and was wondering if schooltools have been translated into danish?
[02:10] <ogra> have you looked at www.schooltool.org ? 
[02:10] <Reboot_me> ok, will do. thx
[02:13] <Reboot_me> I think I will have to translate ST myself. :)
[02:14] <ogra> Reboot_me, i'm not sure if its in rosetta yet, if not, you should poke the guys on #launchpad to make it available for easy translation
[02:15] <Reboot_me> Rosetta Translation Overview for SchoolBell is 79.91% finished
[02:15] <Reboot_me> Schooltool not started yet
[02:17] <Reboot_me> I got my answer, thx for your help
[02:17] <ogra> youre welcome :)
[02:20] <linescanner> ogra: you well ?
[02:20] <ogra> yup....
[02:20] <linescanner> got a minute ?
[02:20] <ogra> quite busy packing my bags and doing all stuff i need to do before the conference
[02:20] <ogra> a minute ? sure ...
[02:21] <linescanner> More general ltsp than edubuntu
[02:21] <linescanner> you tried hp t5125 thin clients ?
[02:21] <ogra> nope
[02:22] <ogra> whats the prob with them ? 
[02:22] <linescanner> they appear to have via video cards but the only way to get them to work is to set X_MOUSE_DEV to /dev/input/mice
[02:22] <linescanner> then they work but are unstable
[02:23] <linescanner> any ideas ?
[02:23] <ogra> did you try /dev/pasaux and have the chroot loading psmouse ? 
[02:24] <linescanner> tried /dev/psaux and it fails
[02:24] <ogra> you confirmed the module is loaded ? 
[02:25] <linescanner> how do i check ?
[02:25] <ogra> lo in on console on the thin client and run lsmod for example
[02:25] <ogra> or check /opt/ltsp/etc7modules
[02:26] <linescanner> just going to look
[02:26] <ogra> err... /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules indeed :)
[02:28] <linescanner> cannot get to a console on the thin
[02:28] <ogra> oh, why ? 
[02:28] <linescanner> ???????????????????
[02:29] <ogra> you are running ubuntu ltsp ? 
[02:29] <linescanner> no standard
[02:29] <ogra> you should be able to switch to console 
[02:29] <ogra> oh, ok...
[02:29] <ogra> no real experience over here with legacy ltsp
[02:30] <linescanner> ahh.  I shall not trouble you further :)
[02:30] <ogra> i'm good at guessing though :)
[02:31] <linescanner> :)
[02:31] <linescanner> got a shell on the thin now
[02:31] <ogra> lsmod ?
[02:32] <linescanner> needed to revert back to /dev/input/mice
[02:32] <ogra> should show you something like psmouse and mousedev
[02:32] <linescanner> got mousedev
[02:33] <ogra> cat /etc/modules 
[02:33] <ogra> is psmouse in there ? 
[02:33] <linescanner> no such file
[02:33] <ogra> try to create it on the server in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules and add psmouse to it...
[02:34] <ogra> then reboot the client with /dev/pmouse for the input device and see if it works
[02:34] <linescanner> is that in ......etc/modules.conf ?
[02:35] <ogra> nope, just /etc/modules in the chroot
[02:35] <ogra> should work since kernel 2.0 ... you force the loading of that module
[02:35] <linescanner> where does legacy ltsp set the chroot ?#
[02:36] <ogra> not in /opt/ltsp ?
[02:36] <ogra> probably /lts or /ltsp ?
[02:37] <linescanner> I may be being dumb but I can't find it
[02:38] <ogra> hmm... it must be somewhere, else your client wouldnt boot :)
[02:39] <linescanner> I have the ltsp root at /opt/ltsp
[02:40] <linescanner> I have had a blond moment
[02:40] <ogra> ah, fine... then look for etc/modules in there, if it doesnt exist, just create it...
[02:40] <linescanner> I have /opt/ltsp/i386/etc it has modules.conf
[02:41] <ogra> not modules.conf just modules
[02:41] <linescanner> touch modules yes
[02:41] <ogra> modules.conf is for giving options to the modules
[02:42] <ogra> add psmouse to thus file, try to boot with /dev/psmouse in your lts.conf and see if it works then
[02:42] <ogra> if not, it was at least worth the try :)
[02:43] <linescanner> just rebootin
[02:43] <Tode_> ogra --> I'm installing Ubuntu.. I'm so excited !!! :D
[02:44] <ogra> :)
[02:44] <linescanner> ogra:  server failed :(
[02:44] <ogra> :(
[02:44] <ogra> then revert the change again
[02:45] <ogra> (remove the etc/modules file and change lts.conf back)
[02:45] <linescanner> done
[02:45] <linescanner> got a login screen but ith some noise on it
[02:46] <ogra> noise ? 
[02:46] <linescanner> and a black square in the middle
[02:46] <linescanner> noise as in lines across
[02:48] <linescanner> mouse is usb by the way
[02:48] <ogra> err... oh...
[02:48] <ogra> then the effort was useless, sorry, i should hae asked earlier
[02:49] <linescanner> my fault.......sorry
[02:49] <ogra> lets agree its our both fault :)
[02:50] <linescanner> :) sound fair
[02:50] <linescanner> once logged in it looks fine, but when I ope star office it goes bad
[02:51] <linescanner> it works fiine untl I maximize the star office window
[02:51] <linescanner> it just locks with a load of screen corruption
[02:53] <ogra> doesnt sound like a mouse prob...
[02:55] <linescanner> I am at a loss.  The unit two models up works fine
[02:55] <linescanner> The specs look the same with just a slower proc
[02:56] <linescanner> I will check the spec to see if thevideo caqrd is different
[02:59] <linescanner> other units have ati chips
[02:59] <Tode_> install finished
[02:59] <Tode_> :)
[03:00] <ogra> yay
[03:01] <Tode_> now i got to find the edubuntu  desktop stuff
[03:01] <Tode_> ;)
[03:01] <ogra> its in the online repository....
[03:02] <ogra> just run sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[03:02] <linescanner> it looks like a video issue.  Auto detect works and then it locks :(
[03:03] <Tode_> oh my... my network doesn't work... lol
[03:03] <Tode_> ok good start then
[03:03] <Tode_> ;)
[03:03] <Tode_> btw, what is the online repository ogra?
[03:03] <ogra> arhive.ubuntu.com
[03:03] <ogra> *archive
[03:04] <ogra> its automatically enabled at install time
[03:04] <Tode_> gotcha
[03:04] <Tode_> it wasn't active (the connection eth0)
[03:06] <ogra> ah, ok
[03:06] <linescanner> ogra: thanks for your help.  I am just off to smash this thin client to bits :)
[03:06] <ogra> nah... beating the HW wont solve it :)
[03:07] <linescanner> make me feel better
[03:08] <ogra> but its a bit expensive :)
[03:09] <linescanner> clients hardware :)
[03:10] <Tode_> ogra --> i don't understand what you meant by "just run sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop"
[03:10] <Tode_> ogra --> but there is an "installer" 
[03:11] <Tode_> ogra --> where i can choose what i want to install... it's great! :)
[03:11] <ogra> yup :)
[03:11] <ogra> apt-get install is the commandline equivalent :) 
[03:12] <Tode_> ok, then i could type this in a term, couldn't I?
[03:13] <ogra> yes, but if you already use the app installer, click on File->extended (german here... no idea how its called in other langs)
[03:14] <ogra> (probably advanced :) )
[03:14] <Tode_> i didn't use it yet
[03:15] <Tode_> when i type apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[03:15] <Tode_> i got a error message
[03:15] <ogra> use sudo in front and give your user password :)
[03:15] <Tode_> oh
[03:15] <Tode_> this is why
[03:15] <Tode_> ;)
[03:16] <Tode_> impossible to find the paquet edubuntu-desktop...
[03:16] <Tode_> lol
[03:16] <Tode_> of course i didn't dowbnload it yet
[03:16] <Tode_> lol
[03:16] <ogra> oh, sudo apt-get update ... first then
[03:17] <ogra> it should retrieve the package lists
[03:18] <Tode_> ok, i try
[03:19] <Tode_> sudo apt-get update done
[03:19] <Tode_> but still the same error message : cant find the packet edubuntu-desktop...
[03:19] <ogra> what did the update command show you ? 
[03:20] <ogra> its should have retrieved the package lists for main and restricted
[03:20] <ogra> Hole:12 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages [585kB] 
[03:21] <ogra> should show up anywhere there (indeed in your language)
[03:21] <Tode_> the update just show "reading the package.... Done"
[03:21] <ogra> oh
[03:21] <Tode_> only one line, this one...
[03:21] <Tode_> strange isn't it?
[03:21] <ogra> open the app installer again and go to the advanced feature
[03:22] <ogra> this opens synaptic
[03:23] <ogra> there you open "Settings->Package sources" and click on the add button in the popup window
[03:23] <ogra> (i guess the popup window will only show your CD)
[03:25] <Tode_> i'm in synaptics
[03:25] <Tode_> but i can't find the Settings>Package sources in french... arghh
[03:26] <ogra> its in the menu
[03:26] <Tode_> i think i got it
[03:26] <ogra> fourth menu from the left, second option
[03:26] <Tode_> i got only the CD as u said
[03:26] <ogra> click add
[03:26] <Tode_> yup
[03:26] <ogra> there is a pulldown showing Breezy ....
[03:27] <Tode_> yeah
[03:27] <ogra> and some checkboxes
[03:27] <Tode_> yep
[03:27] <ogra> mark the checkboxes
[03:27] <ogra> click ok and you are done...
[03:27] <Tode_> woohoo
[03:27] <Tode_> u rocks
[03:27] <Tode_> it's downloading stuff
[03:27] <ogra> afterwards you can click the searchbutton and search for edubuntu-desktop
[03:28] <ogra> then doubleclick the package and click the apply button (third one from the left in the button bar)
[03:28] <Tode_> i've done the apt-get stuff
[03:28] <Tode_> it's working
[03:28] <Tode_> ;)
[03:28] <ogra> ah, fine too
[03:29] <Tode_> yeah, i prefer learn the term way first
[03:29] <Tode_> ;)
[03:29] <ogra> if its installed, log out and back in again on the desktop... you should have edubuntu then
[03:31] <Tode_> it's still doing the installation
[03:32] <Tode_> thanks a lot ogra, I owe u one
[03:32] <Tode_> ;)
[03:32] <ogra> nah, i'm happy about every new user ;)
[03:32] <juliux> re
[03:32] <ogra> thats the biggest gift yu can make :)
[03:37] <Tode_> :)
[03:37] <Tode_> now i'm on edubuntu :)
[03:37] <ogra> yay
[03:37] <Tode_> cool!
[03:37] <Tode_> mmhhh...
[03:38] <Tode_> maybe i'll install fvwm2 later... ;)
[03:38] <Tode_> thanks again ogra
[03:38] <ogra> lol
[03:38] <Tode_> :)
[03:38] <ogra> youre wecome
[03:38] <Tode_> ;)
[03:38] <juliux> Tode_, gnome rocks
[03:38] <Tode_> hey!
[03:38] <Tode_> right
[03:38] <ogra> you can use fvwm2 with gnome ;)
[03:38] <Tode_> that's the point! :)
[03:38] <juliux> ogra, but it isn't very nice
[03:38] <Tode_> why?
[03:38] <Baldzius> hi
[03:38] <ogra> might be, never tried it
[03:39] <juliux> Tode_, is my opinion
[03:39] <Baldzius> where i can get complete list of edubuntu packages?
[03:40] <ogra> Baldzius, for the desktop: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop
[03:41] <Tode_> juliux --> i saw screenshots of fvwm2, this is what i want! ;) but maybe i have to check themes of Gnome before installing fvwm2.......
[03:41] <ogra> Baldzius, and the server: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server
[03:41] <juliux> Tode_, this is a very good idea
[03:41] <ogra> Baldzius, by default both are installed as http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes states
[03:42] <Tode_> juliux --> ;)
[03:42] <Baldzius> ogra thanks, i want to install edubuntu for my friend's kids and i need games as more as possible
[03:42] <Baldzius> is edubuntu for me?
[03:42] <ogra> Baldzius, sure :) 
[03:42] <juliux> Baldzius, what kind of games?
[03:43] <Baldzius> well i don't know there 5 kids
[03:43] <Baldzius> oldest is 10y
[03:43] <Baldzius> iirc
[03:43] <ogra> Baldzius, but there are more games than the ones included, you might want to look additionally at childsplay etc
[03:43] <ogra> Baldzius, http://www.edubuntu.org/tour.html might give a slight impression
[03:44] <Yagisan> Baldzius: I can't recommend opengl based games - they go too slow over ltsp/edubuntu systems
[03:44] <ogra> Baldzius, if you only want a standalone install, use the workstation install as outlined in the install notes
[03:45] <Baldzius> no i don't need opengl games, the computer is quite old PII 350 iirc
[03:45] <Baldzius> i just need a lot of games as more as possible :)
[03:45] <ogra> make sure you have enough memeory then...
[03:45] <Yagisan> Baldzius: they work fine in the "workstation" mode though
[03:45] <Baldzius> 128
[03:45] <ogra> 256 should be in, else it will be slow...
[03:46] <ogra> its cheap to get some RAM on ebay for such old machines
[03:46] <Yagisan> P2 350 isn't that old /me looks at my p2 233 and p2 300
[03:46] <ogra> Yagisan, more than 5 years is old for a PC :)
[03:47] <Yagisan> ogra: If it's still useful - (and in my case still generating a ROE) it's not too old
[03:47] <ogra> i didnt say "too old" :)
[03:48] <ogra> i run a PI 133 with 64 MB as router here.... it will still not be too old the next years :)
[03:49] <Yagisan> I have a Cryrix 6x86 PR150+ (120MHz) still, but the fan is wearing out
[03:50] <ogra> i bet it could run without :)
[03:50] <Yagisan> It's a cyrix - it could fry an egg
[03:50] <Tode_> juliux --> i found stuff on art.gnome.org
[03:50] <ogra> take off the case
[03:50] <Tode_> ;)
[03:51] <Yagisan> ogra: you pc's have cases ?!??!
[03:51] <ogra> the ones that are not in my workroom, yes :)
[03:52] <ogra> else my GF would already have left because of the noise :)
[03:52] <Yagisan> my wife doesn't like the noise either :(
[03:52] <Baldzius> ok thanks i think i'll try edubuntu :)
[03:52] <ogra> :)
[03:53] <ogra> Baldzius, if you got questions, just come back here :)
[03:53] <Baldzius> :)
[03:53] <Yagisan> she even complains^W expresses herself that the p2 300 I set up as a thin client for her is too noisy
[03:54] <ogra> you should probably rip out the idling scsi drives ;)
[03:54] <Yagisan> It has two ! moving parts - the cpu fan, and the power supply fan
[03:54] <Yagisan> I don't have SCSI :(
[03:54] <Yagisan> I do have a nice SATA/PATA 7200RPM RAID for mys desktop
[03:55] <Yagisan> mmm 600GB RAID5
[03:55] <ogra> i have one scsi machin... the only one where i never see the bootsplash because it takes a minute to probe all drives
[03:56] <Yagisan> as soon as I get support for ite8212 ide controllers in the ubuntu installer I'll be a happy man
[03:57] <ogra> Yagisan, patches are welcomed as usual ;)
[03:57] <Yagisan> just add 2 more 200GB 7200RPM 8M Seagate Barracudas to my RAID 5 array
[03:57] <Yagisan> ogra: kernel 2.6.13+ mainline
[03:57] <ogra> ah, k
[03:57] <ogra> dapper then :)
[04:01] <Yagisan> found it just a few days before the breezy release - it was just a bit too late to backport :(
[04:01] <ogra> yup
[04:02] <Yagisan> with 5 disks I expect to fully saturate my pci bus, and have a nice ~120MB/s transfer rate :)
[04:02] <highvoltage> ide pci bus saturation. that sounds so sweet.
[04:04] <Yagisan> I only get ~90MB/s now (RAID0) or ~60MB/s (RAID5), but it still makes the Windows users jealous :)
[04:06] <Yagisan> out of curiosity - what oversized beasts are you guys using as edubuntu/ltsp servers ?
[04:07] <ogra> 900Mhz PIII 256MB ....
[04:07] <ogra> really overized *g*
[04:08] <Yagisan> 2Ghz Athlon64, 1.5GB, 600GB RAID5 here
[04:09] <Yagisan> compared to my client systems - it's obscenely powerful
[04:32] <vmarks> yow. I have a pIII 1ghz that I'd like to use as the ltsp server... but I haven't got it all sorted out yet.
[04:33] <ogra> just put in as much mem as you can
[04:41] <Yagisan> ogra: I'm trying, I've just run out of slots :-D
[04:43] <Yagisan> vmarks: That box is 4 years of savings - (it also has a 6800LE in it) - it won't have an update (except for discs) until 2008/9
[04:43] <Yagisan> or unless someone knocks it off and I can put an insurance claim in - whichever happens first
[05:09] <Velmont> I "stole" one from my school, think it is 2,7ghz. :) But guess it needs more RAM, anyway, it's just for pure testing and fun :] 
[07:06] <highvoltage> hi everyone
[07:07] <Yagisan> G'day highvoltage
[07:08] <highvoltage> how are things your side, Yagisan?
[07:09] <Yagisan> not bad, I'm up late with my wife doing the false labour thing
[07:10] <highvoltage> false labour!?
[07:12] <Yagisan> highvoltage: yep - it's where the contractions start up in an irregular pattern, then stop
[07:12] <highvoltage> she's having a baby? congratulations!
[07:13] <Yagisan> highvoltage: thanks :) poor woman has to suffer for a few more weeks, second bub is due Nov 20
[07:14] <Yagisan> highvoltage: when it happened with the first bub - that was freaky - I'd harrass^W speak to the hospital at the slightest contraction
[07:14] <highvoltage> baby's are just too complicated for me too understand.
[07:15] <Yagisan> highvoltage: ohh - you'll understand one day ;)
[07:21] <highvoltage> Yagisan: how old are you?
[07:22] <Yagisan> highvoltage: 23, I'll be 24 on the 27th
[07:23] <highvoltage> cool. I'm 23 too.
[07:23] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I'm a very busy 23 year old (insert tired smiley here)
[07:24] <highvoltage> me too, you have no idea.
[07:24] <Yagisan> highvoltage: obligatory pimping of my website: http://www.eyagiconsulting.com
[07:24] <highvoltage> i've seen it, you've sent the link to me before :)
[07:24] <highvoltage> the question is, have you seen mine?
[07:24] <highvoltage> http://www.jonathancarter.co.za
[07:25] <highvoltage> although, mine is only a personal site, I don't have a business (yet)
[07:25] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I am now
[07:26] <Yagisan> highvoltage: so busy, uni exams (and I haven't really studied), new baby, need customers, and nearest family is in Tokyo
[07:27] <highvoltage> i must admit, i'm not as busy as i used to be.
[07:27] <highvoltage> i left home when i was 12, and worked since then, i think i was at my busiest when i was 17
[07:27] <highvoltage> that was tough times.
[07:30] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I was kicked out onto the street back in 1999 - that, to put it mildly, sucked
[07:31] <Yagisan> highvoltage: no friends or family I could stay with :(
[07:32] <highvoltage> seems like 17 was tough for both of us.
[07:33] <Yagisan> highvoltage: looks like it. I learned a lot about how people really are after that
[07:34] <Yagisan> highvoltage: most of them - they could not give a shit if you live or die.
[07:35] <Yagisan> highvoltage: others - they try to take advantage of you - they like to kick you when you're down.
[07:39] <highvoltage> yes.
[07:40] <highvoltage> i've come across some very, very bad people.
[07:40] <highvoltage> i think they've been my inspiration for being a good person, i feel i need to balance them out.
[07:40] <highvoltage> fight all the evils of the world
[07:40] <highvoltage> destroy the Gates', etc.
[07:44] <Yagisan> highvoltage: sorry - brought up some bad memories
[07:45] <highvoltage> Yagisan: sorry, didn't mean to do that.
[07:45] <Yagisan> highvoltage: no worries, it happens occasionally.
[07:46] <Yagisan> highvoltage: how was the edubuntu cake ?
[07:46] <highvoltage> JaneW makes good cake.
[07:46] <highvoltage> i can understand why her kids would make plans to steal it :)
[07:47] <Yagisan> highvoltage: you didn't make it to UDU did you ? I don't remember seeing you there
[07:48] <highvoltage> no, i didn't.
[07:49] <highvoltage> i'll make it down there one day, that I can promise you :)
[07:50] <Yagisan> highvoltage: obviously I won't be at UBZ, for good reasons (no money, and bub is due)
[07:51] <highvoltage> me neither.
[07:51] <highvoltage> same reasons minus bub :)
[07:52] <Yagisan> :)
[08:01] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I'm the ugly one
[08:02] <highvoltage> my connection is too slow, i keep timing out while trying to view it (dodgy gprs connection)
[08:02] <highvoltage> i'll look at it tomorrow :)
[08:02] <\sh> highvoltage: my connection is fast...but the same result
[08:03] <\sh> overclock your linksys ,)
[08:04] <highvoltage> hehe
[08:04] <\sh> highvoltage: and I'm really jealous...that u had this good looking cake made by jane...
[08:04] <Yagisan> It's an ubuntu breezy box
[08:04] <Yagisan> agghhhhhhhhhh
[08:05] <Yagisan> and it didn't run my traffic shaping script in /ppp/ip.up when my isp cycled me
[08:06] <highvoltage> \sh: :) next time, i'll invite you to south africa and keep you a piece :)
[08:07] <Yagisan> hopefully it won't time out now - but the png is 750K (should have made a .jpg instead)
[08:09] <\sh> highvoltage: well...regarding the immigration laws in ZA...I need first a job to work and live in ZA..if u hear anything about a company who needs a good sysadmin/ops guy and linux fanatic..please give them my name and email address :)
[08:11] <\sh> Yagisan: black coffee..makes u pretty as well :)
[08:11] <highvoltage> \sh: i might be starting a business next year, so if i'll be able to afford it, i'll give you a call ;)
[08:11] <Yagisan> \sh: my better half likes me without bloodshot eyes
[08:11] <\sh> highvoltage: well...for the start I only need a job and a place to sleep...and some drinks and food...
[08:12] <Yagisan> highvoltage: cost more then I thought starting up (advertising is what kills you)
[08:13] <highvoltage> \sh: i wish we could always see it that way
[08:13] <highvoltage> people just always want more.
[08:13] <highvoltage> even linux knows that less is more ;)
[08:13] <\sh> highvoltage: I had the adventure already of building up a company...2 years with a couple of bucks but 24h of work
[08:14] <\sh> highvoltage: so I know what I
[08:14] <\sh> argl...uk keyboard
[08:14] <\sh> so i know what i'm doing :)
[08:14] <Yagisan> \sh
[08:14] <Yagisan> what went wrong ?
[08:15] <\sh> Yagisan: nothing....I just met a girl...the company still exist
[08:15] <highvoltage> :)
[08:15] <Yagisan> ahh, women, they take up so much time
[08:15] <highvoltage> when i have money, i'm going to start an organisation similar to "project mayhem" from the fight club movie.
[08:16] <\sh> Yagisan: after 5 years and really 18h per day work...it was time to concentrate on something else then cisco routers and computers
[08:16] <\sh> Yagisan: so a woman and a child was the best what happened to me
[08:16] <Yagisan> \sh: boy or girl ?
[08:17] <\sh> Yagisan: boy
[08:17] <\sh> Yagisan: stepson
[08:17] <Yagisan> cool. I think my next one is a boy
[08:18] <Yagisan> \sh: my first is a little girl (that acts like a boy)
[08:19] <\sh> Yagisan: nice :) lucky man :) we tried to have a girl as well...but someone said no
[08:20] <Yagisan> \sh: I'll post a pic when I find and scan a nice one
[08:20] <\sh> Yagisan: well...piece of advise..family comes first...don't do the same mistake i did :(
[08:20] <Yagisan> \sh: my wife has decided to cut my nuts off if I want more kids, I think thats a no
[08:21] <\sh> Yagisan: 1. family 2. you 3. work
[08:21] <Yagisan> \sh: as the are my only family, they come first. That was a major factor in starting my business
[08:22] <highvoltage> i respect people who understand priorities.
[08:22] <Yagisan> \sh: So I can be with them when they need me (which means that for the last 5 months business has really suffered)
[08:22] <\sh> Yagisan: yeah...and I made a big big mistake..and work came first for me :( and now I'm missing my ex and the little one badly...sometimes it eats me up
[08:22] <highvoltage> lots of people just want to make everything top priority, which basically means that they don't have priorities.
[08:23] <Yagisan> \sh: I feel for you. I told my ex-boss to fuck himself when it started causing to much friction at home
[08:23] <\sh> highvoltage: sometimes it's hard..when u want everything for your family..at this time I wasn't able to see this..but now...I made my mistake...
[08:24] <Yagisan> \sh: I don't have any other family - I don't want to lose this one
[08:24] <\sh> highvoltage: actually this is one of the mistakes u never do again
[08:24] <highvoltage> hindsight is 20/20.
[08:25] <Yagisan> \sh: true, I was interview a job interstate, but my wife couldn't go there. I had to make a choice
[08:26] <Yagisan> \sh: I picked my wife, but at the time all she was concerned about was that I threw away the chance to provide for her
[08:26] <Yagisan> and the kid(s)
[08:26] <highvoltage> i've been lucky in the sense that i haven't made big mistakes yet. although, i have suffered from other people's mistakes. having said that, i think 1st hand experience is best.
[08:26] <Yagisan> highvoltage: repeat after me - I'd rather learn from others mistakes
[08:27] <highvoltage> "I'd rather learn from others mistakes"
[08:27] <Yagisan> \sh: I hope things get better for you
[08:27] <highvoltage> although, most people who say that, are only capable of learning from their own ;)
[08:27] <\sh> Yagisan: yeah...and that's why I want to go away from germany..my ex is born in ZA and I promised her, that I will work and live there...and she agreed to come with when this happens...because she has all her family there..and her family is a type of "mafia" in peter maritzburg..so she can kill me if I'm making the same mistake a second time
[08:28] <highvoltage> wow, i didn't realise it was that serious.
[08:28] <Yagisan> \sh: I need to finish my uni degree and move to .jp in 2007 with my wife
[08:28] <\sh> Yagisan: sounds great :) .jp must be fun 
[08:28] <Yagisan> \sh: I got the visa paper ready to go
[08:29] <Yagisan> \sh: /me has to learn .jp first
[08:29] <\sh> highvoltage: well...my family (father mother etc.) i don't have any contact anymore...and when I met her family (living in durban, indians), they accepted me from the first minute as one of them...
[08:29] <highvoltage> \sh: you work for canonical, right? does it matter where you work?
[08:29] <\sh> highvoltage: no..i don't work for canonical
[08:30] <Yagisan> \sh: in 2007 my wife is leaving - with or without me. That was the deal. She's been in .au for 8 years now
[08:30] <\sh> highvoltage: i'm just an ubuntu volunteer motu :)
[08:30] <Yagisan> \sh: She was supposed to be here for 1
[08:31] <\sh> Yagisan: wow...this is quite hard...she knows what she wants...is she from .jp?
[08:31] <Yagisan> \sh: you didn't see the pic did you ?
[08:31] <\sh> Yagisan: didn't work :(
[08:32] <Yagisan> \sh: She doesn't get treated to well here (we live in a poorer area full of "refugees" that are frankly rather racist)
[08:32] <\sh> highvoltage: and my wish to leave germany..is no joke...that's my plan and wish and I will fulfill this wish/dream/plan whatever
[08:32] <Yagisan> \sh: still times out ?
[08:32] <\sh> Yagisan: connecting...and then nothing
[08:33] <\sh> time out message is missing but it will come
[08:33] <Yagisan> \sh: I'll load it onto my isp pages
[08:33] <highvoltage> \sh: it is your destiny. if you persue it, it will happen.
[08:34] <Yagisan> try here http://users.tpg.com.au/yagisan/images/yagi_and_yama.png
[08:35] <\sh> Yagisan: I see :) 
[08:35] <\sh> moment :)
[08:36] <Yagisan> \sh: It was so hard to get her too
[08:39] <\sh> Yagisan: http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/SouthAfrica/082003/AUT_0248.JPG.html?g2_navId=xb2cf9922
[08:39] <\sh> my son
[08:39] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/SouthAfrica/082003/HPIM0038.JPG.html?g2_navId=xb2cf9922
[08:39] <\sh> my ex
[08:39] <\sh> i hope i set the right permissions now
[08:40] <Yagisan> \sh: cool
[08:41] <\sh> Yagisan: well...u can browse around :) these are the pictures of my visit in za 2003
[08:41] <\sh> there r others from dubai etc.
[08:42] <\sh> think highvoltage will recognize many of the locations :) hermanus, durban, etc.
[08:42] <\sh> actually i have to scan the other 200 paper pictures
[08:43] <Yagisan> \sh: your son, he looks like a ladies man
[08:43] <\sh> Yagisan: in primary school all girls fell in love with him...:)
[08:44] <Yagisan> \sh: thought so :)
[08:44] <\sh> good to know, that he is now on a boys only school :)
[08:45] <\sh> hehehe
[08:45] <\sh> yeah..jblacks daughter said as well, that he is cute...:)
[08:45] <Yagisan> heh
[08:46] <\sh> Yagisan: http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/SouthAfrica/September2003/HPIM0121.JPG.html?g2_navId=xb2cf9922 
[08:46] <\sh> this is the eldest son of my ex :)
[08:47] <Yagisan> \sh: he also looks popular
[08:48] <\sh> Yagisan: he's a womanizer
[08:48] <\sh> 25
[08:48] <Yagisan> \sh: he's older the me
[08:48] <Yagisan> s/the/then
[08:49] <Yagisan> aghh it dawn
[08:49] <Yagisan> my wife will kill me if she realises I didn't go to bed
[08:49] <\sh> Yagisan: btw...http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/SouthAfrica/September2003/HPIM0189.JPG.html?g2_navId=xb2cf9922 linux in capetown :)
[08:49] <Yagisan> cute
[08:50] <\sh> but...we're totally off topic *lol*
[08:50] <Yagisan> details details
[08:50] <Yagisan> \sh: have I pimped my business website to you ?
[08:51] <Yagisan> I think it's a great example of what happens when an engineer builds a website.
[08:51] <\sh> Yagisan: no..:)
[08:51] <Yagisan> \sh: http://www.eyagiconsulting.com
[08:52] <\sh> Yagisan: and this is marks hometown ,) at least the nicest part i think from cape town :) http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/SouthAfrica/September2003/HPIM0178.JPG.html?g2_navId=xb2cf9922
[08:52] <Yagisan> \sh: not all links work - I haven't finished making content
[08:52] <\sh> Yagisan: but everything css?
[08:53] <Yagisan> \sh: yep all ccs (well some javascript only in IE to make it correctly do css)
[08:53] <Yagisan> \sh: nice shot
[08:55] <\sh> Yagisan: taken from table mountain...well...the girl from the tourist office in durban told us, it would snow in cape town...when we reached capetown after one week...27 degrees celsius and warm...and I had only warm clothes with me...
[08:56] <Yagisan> \sh: I arrived in Tokyo, in the middle of winter - in shorts and a t-shirt =-O
[08:56] <\sh> yeah...
[08:56] <\sh> Yagisan: btw..this is my fav city in ZA...http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/SouthAfrica/September2003/HPIM0232.JPG.html?g2_navId=xb2cf9922
[08:57] <Yagisan> \sh: feel free to mail feedback on my site :)
[08:57] <\sh> Yagisan: Durban :) many indians are living there...indian ocean right in front of your house door...
[08:57] <Yagisan> \sh: it was 3 degrees outside when I arrived
[08:58] <\sh> Yagisan: hmm...u should ask ogras gf to pimp it ;)
[08:58] <Yagisan> \sh: what does she do ?
[08:58] <\sh> Yagisan: webdesign :)
[08:59] <\sh> Yagisan: i mean...we all know html and css techniques...but coders are not good UI people :)
[09:00] <Yagisan> \sh: yeah, but I love my colours and layout. I just need to make it more "professional"
[09:00] <Yagisan> \sh: without making it less accessible - or harder to translate, and it has to go down 56K links
[09:01] <\sh> Yagisan: yeah...the colors are nice ... but the layout has to be improved somehow...with css...
[09:01] <\sh> css zen garden is a good location to see what css can actually...and I wonder if i could get one of those people to create a webpage for sourcecode.de or linux-server.org 
[09:02] <Yagisan> \sh: like my menus ?
[09:02] <\sh> Yagisan: yeah...i'm totally for css style menus...because it just works
[09:03] <Yagisan> \sh: I had it looking a bit better with fake frames and it looked good. Then I tried it in IE - it looked like a dogs breakfast
[09:03] <Yagisan> \sh: IE needs javascript just to get that css to work :(
[09:04] <Yagisan> 5am - /me is going to sleep
[09:04] <\sh> yeah...I have to go as well..
[09:04] <\sh> I have to do some preparations for the night work tomorrow
[09:05] <Yagisan> ok - night all
[09:34] <pirast> Hi. I have a two questions to Edubuntu: 1: How can I use thin clients with Edubuntu? Is there something like a HowTO? 2: How many thin client can I connect to a server (via 100 Mbit/s LAN)?
[09:36] <bluefrog-10> how big is the machine u want use for server?
[09:37] <pirast> 1 GB Ram, Pentium with 3 GHz I think.. 
[09:41] <pirast> Because we have a lot of problems with windows server 2003 at school I suggested the responsible teacher to try Edubuntu via thin client architectur (I love Ubuntu).. But he noticed that the network could be not fast enough so I promised to ask ;-)
[09:43] <ogra> 1 Gb is a bit small... you should donate at least 128 MB to each client ... note that all apps run on the server in ltsp the network wont be the drawback here
[09:43] <ogra> 100 MBit is fine for that
[09:44] <pirast> ok, thanks :-)
[09:44] <bluefrog-10> just avoid screensavers
[09:44] <pirast> ok :-)
[09:44] <ogra> if you want more precise numbers, idel a bit here and try to get your hands on highvoltage, he runs the tuxlabs ltsp setups with edubuntu with about 20 clients
[09:45] <ogra> the screensavers are disabled automatically if a thin client session is detected :) 
[09:45] <pirast> is it also possible to install Edubuntu on each client but to have a central file / login server so that the user has his data at every pc available?
[09:46] <bluefrog-10> ltsp is the deal
[09:46] <ogra> yes, but there you'll have to do everything manually, the target for the current release was a single classroom ltttsp seup with only thin clients... target of the next release is one school
[09:47] <ogra> *ltsp setup
[09:47] <pirast> ahh, ok, thanks :-)
[09:47] <pirast> it sounds great :-)
[09:47] <ogra> there we'll also target thicker clients and hopefully local disks on the clients
[09:48] <ogra> and a centralized user management solution...
[09:49] <pirast> ok :-)
[09:50] <pirast> is there a howto / guide how to install Edubuntu in a thin client classroom setup?
[09:50] <bluefrog-10> install ubuntu. install ldap + samba or nfs. install ubuntu on clients with ldap authentication and nfs mount (or samba)
[09:50] <ogra> it happ4ens nearly automatically... 
[09:50] <pirast> ok, thx
[09:51] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[09:51] <ogra> has some instructions
[09:51] <ogra> see the LtspServerSetup page linked at the bottom ...
[09:51] <pirast> ok
[09:52] <pirast> I think we have some very old pcs in our school that are not used, maybe I can convince the tacher to try Edubuntu there ;-)
[09:52] <bluefrog-10> do you need sound?
[09:52] <pirast> No, I don't think so
[09:52] <bluefrog-10> so go on edubuntu's for u
[09:53] <bluefrog-10> will be esay
[09:53] <ogra> next release will have sound support, promised :) 
[09:53] <pirast> yes..
[09:53] <pirast> I know
[09:53] <pirast> I also looked at the roadmap :-)
[09:53] <pirast> or something else..
[09:53] <ogra> thast only a rhough direction... we'll spec the precise roadmap next week at the conference in montreal
[09:53] <bluefrog-10> ogra do u know if ther's a way to install xdm on ubuntu?
[09:54] <ogra> you mean for the thin clients ? 
[09:54] <ogra> instead of ldm ? 
[09:55] <ogra> or as a desktop login manager for a normal ubuntu setup ?
[09:55] <bluefrog-10> for clients to use yes instaed of gdm on normal ubuntu + ltsp. i will move to dapper when it's going out but right now no sound is a nono for me so i a do my own ubuntu ltsp so that i can avoid K12lstp
[09:56] <ogra> ah, you run ltsp 4.1 on ubuntu then ? 
[09:56] <bluefrog-10> yes 
[09:56] <ogra> i know xdm had a weird bug ... try it, you can always deinstall it...
[09:57] <bluefrog-10> the only drawback compared to K12 is gdm. too solow ompared to xdm on K12 
[09:57] <ogra> switch off the themeing
[09:58] <ogra> you can do that in gdmconfig... just choose "classical greeter" and probably put a background image in the back
[09:58] <bluefrog-10> really? hum will try. 
[09:58] <bluefrog-10> and yes indeed i believe that's what K12 does
[09:58] <ogra> the fullscreen themeing is the slowdown factor...
[09:59] <ogra> it uses the gnomecanvas library, that one is quite slow...
[09:59] <ogra> with plain gtk it should be a lot faster, bt it doesnt look as good :)
[10:00] <bluefrog-10> by the way do u want a file/paste describing the samba+ldap install on ubuntu?
[10:01] <ogra> could you mail it ? 
[10:01] <bluefrog-10> give mail
[10:01] <ogra> or even add a wikipage to wiki.edubuntu.org
[10:01] <ogra> ogra@ubuntu.com :)
[10:02] <pirast> I want an Ubuntu email adress, too !!!11111!! ;-)
[10:02] <ogra> i can probably wave it in in the discussion next week https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-use-management
[10:02] <bluefrog-10> no wiki right now, it's only a list of things to do. have taaken screenshots and i have to explain things in good english for everybody to do it. but it shouldn't be a pb for u as it is now
[10:03] <ogra> pirast, easy to get now :) 
[10:03] <ogra> we just started to give them away to all members ...
[10:04] <pirast> lol :-)
[10:05] <ogra> to become a member you need a wikipage describing yourself, need to make a valuable contribution of any kind (artwork, a help document, code, bugfixing, help packaging etc) and got to a community council meeting to get approved
[10:05] <ogra> s/got/go/
[10:05] <bluefrog-10> and i've been a bit refrained from wiki as i did a wiki on set up ltsp on ubuntu (unfortunately without stating that it was just to wait for dapper to come out) and this wiki has been redirected to the edubuntultspsetup
[10:05] <ogra> the meetings happen every two weeks in #ubuntu-meeting :) 
[10:06] <ogra> oh
[10:06] <pirast> ogra: Is Bugreporting in upcoming releases also a valuable contribution? Sorry for off topic -.-
[10:07] <ogra> erm, you maen for not yet existing software ? 
[10:07] <ogra> *g*
[10:07] <pirast> No, I mean for example reporting bugs in Dapper Drake till it is stable :-P :-D 
[10:07] <pirast> Sorry when it was not really clear, my English is not the best.
[10:07] <ogra> indeed the most important bugs for us are the ones in the development version ---
[10:08] <pirast> Yes, I mean the development version :-)
[10:08] <ogra> sorry i was kidding you a bit... indeed i understood :)
[10:08] <pirast> ahh ok ;-) Sorry I'm a little bit tired.. 
[10:09] <ogra> yup, the most important bugs are the ones in dapper during the next six months... 
[10:11] <pirast> Hehe I am a little bit confused.. I will think about having an ubuntu.com email adress but actually it was a joke ;-)
[10:12] <ogra> until about a month ago they were only available for employees, but now that we switch to launchpad, its a feature every member can have 
[10:13] <pirast> Hm ok.. And I didn't know, wargh :-)
[10:14] <pirast> n8.. I go to bed :-)
[10:14] <pirast> cya maybe
[10:14] <ogra> night
[10:14] <ogra> :)
[11:28] <bluefrog-10> ogra, need to setup a mail server. freaking provider server prevents me from sending any attachments tonight. will send u that this week.
[11:28] <ogra> oki
[11:29] <bluefrog-10> prevents me from sending to ubuntu.com as well that is weirder.
[11:29] <ogra> would be nice to let it go in to the edubuntuusermanagement spec
[11:29] <bluefrog-10> what do u mean?
[11:29] <ogra> you can also send to ogra@canonical.com or hostmaster@grawert.net
[11:30] <ogra> i'll have to work out a spec for edubuntu user management for the next release... that will involve ldap and i'd like o include samba too
[11:30] <ogra> thats one of my tasks at the conference
[11:34] <bluefrog-10> hum am starting to wonder if my mail provider is not blacklisted :)
[11:41] <hyperactivecrond> i see we've changed the website to look like the default edubuntu ui
[11:43] <ogra> yup
[11:44] <hyperactivecrond> what is the point of schooltool agin?
[11:44] <ogra> calendaring
[11:44] <hyperactivecrond> thats it? ok
[11:53] <Velmont> Instead of Evolution?
[11:54] <ogra> nope...
[11:55] <ogra> its more something for schoolwide calendaring, webbased, and i admit a bit oversized for a single classroom :)
[11:56] <mhz> hi y'all
[11:59] <Velmont> Well, Evolution is so hard when I work on 3-4 different computers. Should be a way to make it work against a server for calendaring...
[11:59] <Velmont> But not Exchange or the Novell-thing, only want good FOSS-stuff.
[12:00] <mhz> Velmont: LDAP
[12:02] <Velmont> mhz: Does that work with several different Linux OS-es and in different locations? Maybe just an NFS-over-ssh-export of the .evolution-file...? :)
[12:03] <mhz> Velmont: afaik, LDAP is a service you configure on the server side, and lets you share Calendar, Addressbook, etc from diff clients.
[12:03] <mhz> it's Distro independant