=== Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #edubuntu === mhz Listens to Therion/ Black Sun Draconian === bimberi [n=bimberi@DC-245-40.bpb.bigpond.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:53] Vovin was a great album [01:07] crimsun: indeed === mhz is now known as mhz_cooking === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-83-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@5-185-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === clh15 [n=clh15@lamorak.hansenpartnership.com] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_cooking is now known as mhz === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-83-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === magnon [n=co@ool-44c1c557.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #edubuntu === Nancy_ [n=nancy@ppp-69-223-68-9.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.95.49] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Velmont [n=odin@stanley.ox.compsoc.net] has joined #edubuntu === HeadGeekette [n=CuriousC@203.177.88.26] has joined #edubuntu [08:43] First the wiki-installation-notes page says it installs an LTSP THIN client by default, but then you go on saying you install an LTSP SERVER by default (by just pressing )? :o How is it really? [08:59] it install a ltsp server [08:59] if you have the edubuntu install cd === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-176-89.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:27] juliux: How can I install an ltsp client than? - I've got that CD (Well, 98% finished now) [09:28] Velmont, you didn't need to install the client [09:28] Velmont, the client boots via pxe [09:29] Velmont, if the client pxe don't support you need a image from here http://www.rom-o-matic.net/ [09:40] Cool :] I'll try when I've got the server up. [09:41] Velmont, it works here very good [09:41] Velmont, as client you can use diskless computers === ogra [n=ogra@p5089D8F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E5036.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu === dEMaStEr [n=michael@p54A4517B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === dEMaStEr [n=michael@p54A4517B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Tode [n=Tode@did75-1-81-57-21-182.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:09] hi there [11:09] any french people in there? [11:12] Ok [11:12] I'm working for a company which makes IWB (Interactive White Board) [11:13] Our products work on Window$, Mac, but not on Linux [11:13] Tode, some of the gcomris folks are around form time to time... [11:13] *gcompris [11:14] I've been told that if I want to develop a driver for Linux, maybe people from Edubuntu should be interested... [11:14] Tode, indeed.... [11:14] gcompris, the software [11:14] ? [11:14] all right [11:14] yup... [11:14] thanks ogr [11:14] ogra [11:14] main development based in france :) [11:15] that's good news ! [11:15] :) [11:15] Tode, but we use ubuntu underneath, so we dont do kernel or driver developmnt... i can get you in contact with the right people if you like :) [11:15] it'd be very nice orga! [11:16] our ubuntu main kernel developers are fabbione and BenC, you'll find them in #ubuntu-kernel or #ubuntu-devel regulary... [11:17] great! [11:17] thanks a lot :) :) [11:17] fabbione@canonical.com and ben.collins@ubuntu.com ;) [11:18] :) [11:18] u rulez !! [11:18] note that ou conference starts end ov the week in canada, i dont know when they'll be travelling :) [11:18] ok [11:19] so they might be a bit unresponsive currently ... [11:19] all right [11:21] Do they allow you to make a GPL'd driver? [11:22] I'm working on it ;) [11:22] actually [11:22] as I want to develop something for Linux [11:22] it HAVE to be a GPL stuff [11:22] you know what I mean ? [11:22] To be included, yes. :) [11:23] :) [11:24] ...even if we prefer GPLed drivers, ubuntu also ships nonfre stuff (see ati and nvidia) as long as its under a redistributable license... [11:24] That would be nice. I work at a school, we've got loads of "SMARTboards"... Maybe a competitor? [11:24] but a real GPL driver would be incredible cool :) [11:25] Smartstuff... oh my [11:25] yeah, I'm a competitor [11:25] ;) [11:25] Hihi ;) Good, do better. :D [11:26] ogra --> GPL or nothing ;) [11:26] cool :) [11:26] Velmont --> my product is better from far [11:26] :) [11:26] Ok ;) I don't like SMARTboards, I have to install them on Win98, which is a pain in the arse. [11:27] Velmont --> where are your school? [11:27] oh my... where is [11:27] lol [11:27] Win98... wow... [11:27] Tode: Norway. :) Students 16-19 years old. [11:28] old students aren't they? [11:28] ;) [11:29] College, maybe that's the name :] [11:29] mmhhh [11:30] in France, the name is Lyce [11:30] ;) [11:30] Yep :) I know ;) [11:31] you know? [11:31] Velmont, you asked about the earlier .... if you dont hit any key, the CD wont just start installing ;) [11:31] ogra: Hehe, I tried :) It's installing. [11:32] so with no input gives you the default :) [11:32] Tode: I have a french friend. I'm in france every second year, or more. [11:33] Velmont, great to see that there are people actually reading the istall notes *before* installing, we normally have the opposite here :) [11:33] ogra: Although I didn't really understand them 100% ;) [11:34] ask away if you got questions :) [11:34] Hehe, I understood it now. -- My problem was that I didn't know how to "install" the clients... :) [11:35] Velmont --> ok! So you speak french? ;) [11:35] Velmont, you just boot them via PXE :) no install needed [11:36] Tode: Hehe, no :) I understand some parts of the conversations. But want to learn it better; but, no time :p Should just move down a summer or something :P [11:37] ogra: Yep, juliux told me, - I understood now ;] [11:37] good :) [11:39] Velmont --> French is not easy to learn, but I think "Norvegien" is even harder !! [11:40] Tode: My french friend and his brother is learning Norwegian :p His brother is better in Norwegian than I'm in French after 4 years at school. [11:42] Velmont --> no way...! Really? I'm impressed... I know a guy who went to Norway because his girlfriend is from this country. He told me he couldn't understand a think even after few months... :( [11:42] but he told me too that girls are beautiful in this country... ;) [11:45] Tode: They always say that ;] The french that is :) ~ But that family is half french/half german. So they know both native french and german, and they're both very good in English. So they took Norwegian pretty easily :) [11:48] Velmont --> ;) It's amazing... everywhere in Europe, a lot of people speak english but in France, we suck... [11:52] how long to install edubuntu ? [11:53] that depends on your CD drive indeed... the default install takes about an hour, the workstation ~40min here [12:04] ogra --> ok. I got the Ubuntu C, not the Edubuntu... I could install the softwares regarding the education later ? [12:06] Tode, if you only want the wrokstation version, thats easy... just install edubuntu-desktop on top... for the ltsp version (classroom server which is the default) you have to do some manual work since the ltsp setup happens from the installer... [12:10] Ogra --> yeah I want just the workstation. edubuntu-desktop... it's like a patch to install after ubuntu? sorry, I'm such a lame on this... I used to get RedHat... (noo, don't ban me please!!! ;) ) [12:11] lol [12:11] its installing all the edu apps and the branding (edubuntu-artwork) on top of ubuntu... [12:13] Tode, fabbione seems active on #ubuntu-devel ... [12:15] ogra --> yeah I contact him in private, but he seems a little busy... [12:16] he told me to let a message on -kernel, what I did [12:16] ah, fine === CuriousCat [n=CuriousC@203.177.88.26] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === pere_poff is now known as pere [12:59] [There is already a dhcp-server here at school; so I don't want the edubuntu ltsp-server to be one, is that even possible? Won't PXE work without? [01:00] Velmont, look at the wiring wikipage... there isa setup with two NICs ... [01:01] ogra: Yep, - saw that one, but I don't want them connected like that either :p [01:01] attach one of them to the normal dhcp served network and dedicate one to the thin clients that runs its own server [01:02] you dont need to set up NAT between the NICs :O) [01:02] ogra: Ok, so you NEED to have it dhcp-ed from the ltsp? [01:02] So no need for me to even try? [01:02] nope, but setting it up different is a lot of fiddling... [01:03] (these computers are 200m away from here, so putting up a cable between them is hard, im just using the schools net ;] ) [01:03] you need to know a lot about dhcpd configuration... the easier way is to add a second NIC post install and to attach this one to the normal net [01:04] there is no NAT needed .... [01:04] Mkay. -- I'll try w/o internet and grab a client later than. Cant test right now. === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #edubuntu === Tode_ [n=Tode@did75-1-81-57-21-182.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === schwieni [n=thinkpad@dslb-084-058-181-252.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #edubuntu === Reboot_me [n=os@83.72.201.180.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #edubuntu [02:09] Hi. I'm doing research for a public school here in denmark, and was wondering if schooltools have been translated into danish? [02:10] have you looked at www.schooltool.org ? [02:10] ok, will do. thx [02:13] I think I will have to translate ST myself. :) [02:14] Reboot_me, i'm not sure if its in rosetta yet, if not, you should poke the guys on #launchpad to make it available for easy translation [02:15] Rosetta Translation Overview for SchoolBell is 79.91% finished [02:15] Schooltool not started yet === linescanner [n=andy@62.121.30.236] has joined #edubuntu [02:17] I got my answer, thx for your help [02:17] youre welcome :) === Reboot_me [n=os@83.72.201.180.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has left #edubuntu [] [02:20] ogra: you well ? [02:20] yup.... [02:20] got a minute ? [02:20] quite busy packing my bags and doing all stuff i need to do before the conference [02:20] a minute ? sure ... [02:21] More general ltsp than edubuntu [02:21] you tried hp t5125 thin clients ? [02:21] nope [02:22] whats the prob with them ? [02:22] they appear to have via video cards but the only way to get them to work is to set X_MOUSE_DEV to /dev/input/mice [02:22] then they work but are unstable [02:23] any ideas ? [02:23] did you try /dev/pasaux and have the chroot loading psmouse ? [02:24] tried /dev/psaux and it fails [02:24] you confirmed the module is loaded ? [02:25] how do i check ? [02:25] lo in on console on the thin client and run lsmod for example [02:25] or check /opt/ltsp/etc7modules [02:26] just going to look [02:26] err... /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules indeed :) [02:28] cannot get to a console on the thin [02:28] oh, why ? [02:28] ??????????????????? [02:29] you are running ubuntu ltsp ? [02:29] no standard [02:29] you should be able to switch to console [02:29] oh, ok... [02:29] no real experience over here with legacy ltsp [02:30] ahh. I shall not trouble you further :) [02:30] i'm good at guessing though :) [02:31] :) [02:31] got a shell on the thin now === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu [02:31] lsmod ? [02:32] needed to revert back to /dev/input/mice [02:32] should show you something like psmouse and mousedev [02:32] got mousedev [02:33] cat /etc/modules [02:33] is psmouse in there ? [02:33] no such file [02:33] try to create it on the server in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules and add psmouse to it... [02:34] then reboot the client with /dev/pmouse for the input device and see if it works [02:34] is that in ......etc/modules.conf ? [02:35] nope, just /etc/modules in the chroot [02:35] should work since kernel 2.0 ... you force the loading of that module [02:35] where does legacy ltsp set the chroot ?# [02:36] not in /opt/ltsp ? [02:36] probably /lts or /ltsp ? [02:37] I may be being dumb but I can't find it [02:38] hmm... it must be somewhere, else your client wouldnt boot :) [02:39] I have the ltsp root at /opt/ltsp [02:40] I have had a blond moment [02:40] ah, fine... then look for etc/modules in there, if it doesnt exist, just create it... [02:40] I have /opt/ltsp/i386/etc it has modules.conf [02:41] not modules.conf just modules [02:41] touch modules yes [02:41] modules.conf is for giving options to the modules [02:42] add psmouse to thus file, try to boot with /dev/psmouse in your lts.conf and see if it works then [02:42] if not, it was at least worth the try :) [02:43] just rebootin [02:43] ogra --> I'm installing Ubuntu.. I'm so excited !!! :D [02:44] :) [02:44] ogra: server failed :( [02:44] :( [02:44] then revert the change again [02:45] (remove the etc/modules file and change lts.conf back) [02:45] done [02:45] got a login screen but ith some noise on it [02:46] noise ? [02:46] and a black square in the middle [02:46] noise as in lines across [02:48] mouse is usb by the way [02:48] err... oh... [02:48] then the effort was useless, sorry, i should hae asked earlier [02:49] my fault.......sorry [02:49] lets agree its our both fault :) [02:50] :) sound fair [02:50] once logged in it looks fine, but when I ope star office it goes bad [02:51] it works fiine untl I maximize the star office window [02:51] it just locks with a load of screen corruption [02:53] doesnt sound like a mouse prob... [02:55] I am at a loss. The unit two models up works fine [02:55] The specs look the same with just a slower proc [02:56] I will check the spec to see if thevideo caqrd is different [02:59] other units have ati chips [02:59] install finished [02:59] :) [03:00] yay [03:01] now i got to find the edubuntu desktop stuff [03:01] ;) [03:01] its in the online repository.... [03:02] just run sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop [03:02] it looks like a video issue. Auto detect works and then it locks :( [03:03] oh my... my network doesn't work... lol [03:03] ok good start then [03:03] ;) [03:03] btw, what is the online repository ogra? [03:03] arhive.ubuntu.com [03:03] *archive [03:04] its automatically enabled at install time [03:04] gotcha [03:04] it wasn't active (the connection eth0) [03:06] ah, ok [03:06] ogra: thanks for your help. I am just off to smash this thin client to bits :) [03:06] nah... beating the HW wont solve it :) [03:07] make me feel better [03:08] but its a bit expensive :) [03:09] clients hardware :) [03:10] ogra --> i don't understand what you meant by "just run sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop" [03:10] ogra --> but there is an "installer" [03:11] ogra --> where i can choose what i want to install... it's great! :) [03:11] yup :) [03:11] apt-get install is the commandline equivalent :) [03:12] ok, then i could type this in a term, couldn't I? [03:13] yes, but if you already use the app installer, click on File->extended (german here... no idea how its called in other langs) [03:14] (probably advanced :) ) [03:14] i didn't use it yet [03:15] when i type apt-get install edubuntu-desktop [03:15] i got a error message [03:15] use sudo in front and give your user password :) [03:15] oh [03:15] this is why [03:15] ;) [03:16] impossible to find the paquet edubuntu-desktop... [03:16] lol [03:16] of course i didn't dowbnload it yet [03:16] lol [03:16] oh, sudo apt-get update ... first then [03:17] it should retrieve the package lists [03:18] ok, i try [03:19] sudo apt-get update done [03:19] but still the same error message : cant find the packet edubuntu-desktop... [03:19] what did the update command show you ? [03:20] its should have retrieved the package lists for main and restricted [03:20] Hole:12 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages [585kB] [03:21] should show up anywhere there (indeed in your language) [03:21] the update just show "reading the package.... Done" [03:21] oh === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-16-175-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [03:21] only one line, this one... [03:21] strange isn't it? [03:21] open the app installer again and go to the advanced feature [03:22] this opens synaptic [03:23] there you open "Settings->Package sources" and click on the add button in the popup window === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-83-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:23] (i guess the popup window will only show your CD) [03:25] i'm in synaptics [03:25] but i can't find the Settings>Package sources in french... arghh [03:26] its in the menu [03:26] i think i got it [03:26] fourth menu from the left, second option [03:26] i got only the CD as u said [03:26] click add [03:26] yup [03:26] there is a pulldown showing Breezy .... [03:27] yeah [03:27] and some checkboxes [03:27] yep [03:27] mark the checkboxes [03:27] click ok and you are done... [03:27] woohoo [03:27] u rocks [03:27] it's downloading stuff [03:27] afterwards you can click the searchbutton and search for edubuntu-desktop [03:28] then doubleclick the package and click the apply button (third one from the left in the button bar) [03:28] i've done the apt-get stuff [03:28] it's working [03:28] ;) [03:28] ah, fine too [03:29] yeah, i prefer learn the term way first [03:29] ;) [03:29] if its installed, log out and back in again on the desktop... you should have edubuntu then [03:31] it's still doing the installation [03:32] thanks a lot ogra, I owe u one [03:32] ;) [03:32] nah, i'm happy about every new user ;) [03:32] re [03:32] thats the biggest gift yu can make :) === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E65A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Baldzius [n=mx@85.206.98.14] has joined #edubuntu [03:37] :) [03:37] now i'm on edubuntu :) [03:37] yay [03:37] cool! [03:37] mmhhh... [03:38] maybe i'll install fvwm2 later... ;) [03:38] thanks again ogra [03:38] lol [03:38] :) [03:38] youre wecome [03:38] ;) [03:38] Tode_, gnome rocks [03:38] hey! [03:38] right [03:38] you can use fvwm2 with gnome ;) [03:38] that's the point! :) [03:38] ogra, but it isn't very nice [03:38] why? [03:38] hi [03:38] might be, never tried it [03:39] Tode_, is my opinion [03:39] where i can get complete list of edubuntu packages? [03:40] Baldzius, for the desktop: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop [03:41] juliux --> i saw screenshots of fvwm2, this is what i want! ;) but maybe i have to check themes of Gnome before installing fvwm2....... [03:41] Baldzius, and the server: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server [03:41] Tode_, this is a very good idea [03:41] Baldzius, by default both are installed as http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes states [03:42] juliux --> ;) [03:42] ogra thanks, i want to install edubuntu for my friend's kids and i need games as more as possible [03:42] is edubuntu for me? [03:42] Baldzius, sure :) [03:42] Baldzius, what kind of games? [03:43] well i don't know there 5 kids [03:43] oldest is 10y [03:43] iirc [03:43] Baldzius, but there are more games than the ones included, you might want to look additionally at childsplay etc [03:43] Baldzius, http://www.edubuntu.org/tour.html might give a slight impression [03:44] Baldzius: I can't recommend opengl based games - they go too slow over ltsp/edubuntu systems [03:44] Baldzius, if you only want a standalone install, use the workstation install as outlined in the install notes [03:45] no i don't need opengl games, the computer is quite old PII 350 iirc [03:45] i just need a lot of games as more as possible :) [03:45] make sure you have enough memeory then... [03:45] Baldzius: they work fine in the "workstation" mode though [03:45] 128 [03:45] 256 should be in, else it will be slow... [03:46] its cheap to get some RAM on ebay for such old machines [03:46] P2 350 isn't that old /me looks at my p2 233 and p2 300 [03:46] Yagisan, more than 5 years is old for a PC :) [03:47] ogra: If it's still useful - (and in my case still generating a ROE) it's not too old [03:47] i didnt say "too old" :) [03:48] i run a PI 133 with 64 MB as router here.... it will still not be too old the next years :) [03:49] I have a Cryrix 6x86 PR150+ (120MHz) still, but the fan is wearing out [03:50] i bet it could run without :) [03:50] It's a cyrix - it could fry an egg [03:50] juliux --> i found stuff on art.gnome.org [03:50] take off the case [03:50] ;) [03:51] ogra: you pc's have cases ?!??! === vmarks [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:51] the ones that are not in my workroom, yes :) [03:52] else my GF would already have left because of the noise :) [03:52] my wife doesn't like the noise either :( [03:52] ok thanks i think i'll try edubuntu :) [03:52] :) [03:53] Baldzius, if you got questions, just come back here :) [03:53] :) [03:53] she even complains^W expresses herself that the p2 300 I set up as a thin client for her is too noisy [03:54] you should probably rip out the idling scsi drives ;) [03:54] It has two ! moving parts - the cpu fan, and the power supply fan [03:54] I don't have SCSI :( [03:54] I do have a nice SATA/PATA 7200RPM RAID for mys desktop [03:55] mmm 600GB RAID5 [03:55] i have one scsi machin... the only one where i never see the bootsplash because it takes a minute to probe all drives === \sh is now known as \sh_away [03:56] as soon as I get support for ite8212 ide controllers in the ubuntu installer I'll be a happy man [03:57] Yagisan, patches are welcomed as usual ;) [03:57] just add 2 more 200GB 7200RPM 8M Seagate Barracudas to my RAID 5 array [03:57] ogra: kernel 2.6.13+ mainline [03:57] ah, k [03:57] dapper then :) [04:01] found it just a few days before the breezy release - it was just a bit too late to backport :( [04:01] yup [04:02] with 5 disks I expect to fully saturate my pci bus, and have a nice ~120MB/s transfer rate :) [04:02] ide pci bus saturation. that sounds so sweet. [04:04] I only get ~90MB/s now (RAID0) or ~60MB/s (RAID5), but it still makes the Windows users jealous :) [04:06] out of curiosity - what oversized beasts are you guys using as edubuntu/ltsp servers ? [04:07] 900Mhz PIII 256MB .... [04:07] really overized *g* === Baldzius [n=mx@85.206.98.14] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [04:08] 2Ghz Athlon64, 1.5GB, 600GB RAID5 here [04:09] compared to my client systems - it's obscenely powerful [04:32] yow. I have a pIII 1ghz that I'd like to use as the ltsp server... but I haven't got it all sorted out yet. [04:33] just put in as much mem as you can [04:41] ogra: I'm trying, I've just run out of slots :-D [04:43] vmarks: That box is 4 years of savings - (it also has a 6800LE in it) - it won't have an update (except for discs) until 2008/9 [04:43] or unless someone knocks it off and I can put an insurance claim in - whichever happens first === \sh_away is now known as \sh [05:09] I "stole" one from my school, think it is 2,7ghz. :) But guess it needs more RAM, anyway, it's just for pure testing and fun :] === vincenzio [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.95.49] has joined #edubuntu === pere is now known as pere_gone === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.46.163.254] has joined #edubuntu === linescanner [n=andy@62.121.26.69] has joined #edubuntu [07:06] hi everyone [07:07] G'day highvoltage [07:08]