[12:14] <ShockME> hello, I'm running Kubuntu 5.10 on amd64 openoffice 2 is installed but kde integration is not functioning
[12:14] <hydrogen> roight
[12:14] <ShockME> anyone who can help me?
[12:14] <hydrogen> its cause kde is compiled for 32bit
[12:15] <hydrogen> err
[12:15] <hydrogen> for 64bit
[12:15] <hydrogen> and OOo is 32bit
[12:15] <hydrogen> they don't interact
[12:15] <ShockME> :(
[12:15] <ShockME> so, nothing I can do, right?
[12:15] <hydrogen> no
[12:15] <hydrogen> OOo 2.1 is supposed to compile nativly on 64bit.. we'll see :)
[12:16] <ShockME> i seem to remember OOo2 integrated with gnome when I was running ubuntu
[12:17] <ShockME> but I must remember wrong
[12:17] <zan_d> so where's the apt utility?
[12:18] <ShockME> at least I know i can apt-get remove openoffice.org2-kde :)
[12:20] <ShockME> hydrogen: thanks
[12:36] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[12:36] <m_tadeu> I'm having a problem with kaffeine when opening a video dvd
[12:36] <m_tadeu> it shows a dialog with
[12:36] <m_tadeu> The source can't be read.
[12:36] <m_tadeu> Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading NAV packet.)
[12:49] <spine55> I had my radeon with 3d accleration working with hoary and now it doesn't work with breezy is this a  known bug?
[12:49] <flixor> hya everybody i am new to linux tried this wonderfull kubuntu wich i got from i friend 
[12:50] <flixor> thanks everybody from kubuntu i like it very much 
[12:50] <flixor> but still i am stuck with a minor problem, my sound card wich is a normal soundblaster card is not working 
[12:51] <flixor> what could i do 
[12:52] <heulSuSE> flixor: Which soundcard is it?
[12:52] <crimsun> flixor: ISA or PCI?
[12:52] <flixor> its a pci card 
[12:52] <flixor> and if i am not mistaken it uses the em10k1 module 
[12:52] <flixor> i already loaded the module 
[12:52] <flixor> but still no sound 
[12:52] <crimsun> flixor: in a Konsole, type ''lspci -v |grep -i audio'' (without the quotes), and tell me the output
[12:53] <flixor> 0000:00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 20)
[12:53] <flixor>         Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. Onboard Audio on EP7KXA
[12:53] <flixor> 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 06
[12:53] <flixor> sorry for the spam everybody 
[12:53] <crimsun> you actually have two sound chipsets
[12:54] <flixor> ehm yes one on the motherboard 
[12:54] <crimsun> the onboard, driven by snd-via82xx, and the sblive, driven by snd-emu10k1
[12:54] <flixor> and one as a pci 
[12:54] <crimsun> both are pci
[12:54] <flixor> oh kee 
[12:54] <crimsun> pick one that you want to use as default
[12:54] <flixor> the soundblaster
[12:55] <crimsun> in a Konsole, type: echo "options snd-via82xx index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[12:56] <flixor> with or without "
[12:56] <crimsun> with
[12:56] <crimsun> precisely as I typed it after the colon
[12:56] <flixor> done it 
[12:56] <flixor> nothing returned from that command 
[12:57] <crimsun> it should have echoed options snd-via82xx index=-2
[12:57] <flixor> options snd-via82xx index=-2
[12:57] <flixor> sorry crimsun this i got back 
[12:57] <crimsun> ok, good
[12:58] <crimsun> now, sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload
[12:58] <unsurreal> wow lots of ppl have sound problems
[12:58] <flixor> done it 
[12:58] <crimsun> they're not really problems per se
[12:58] <crimsun> flixor: now log out of KDE and back in
[12:59] <flixor> yes brb 
[12:59] <unsurreal> hm, well crimsun maybe you can help me, when watching a flash video, the audio is about one second delayed behind the video
[12:59] <unsurreal> in firefox
[12:59] <crimsun> unsurreal: are you using arts/esound?
[12:59] <unsurreal> uhm for which aspect
[12:59] <unsurreal> i try to use alsa for everything
[01:00] <crimsun> well, how are you watching the flash video?
[01:00] <crimsun> via firefox? konquorer? opera?
[01:00] <unsurreal> just http://blahblah.com/flash.swf
[01:00] <unsurreal> somethin like that
[01:00] <unsurreal> firefox
[01:00] <crimsun> (hmm, I misspelled konqueror)
[01:01] <crimsun> ok, so through firefox?
[01:01] <unsurreal> yes
[01:01] <crimsun> and is it using esd or alsa's oss emulation directly?
[01:01] <unsurreal> how do i find out lol
[01:02] <crimsun> while the flash applet is playing, lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[01:03] <flixor> hya crimsun it works :) 
[01:03] <flixor> need to get a music cd 
[01:04] <unsurreal> what do i look for there crimsun
[01:04] <crimsun> flixor: if you use kscd, make sure you set it to use digital audio extraction in the options
[01:04] <crimsun> unsurreal: paste the output. Use #flood if it's over 5 lines
[01:05] <Knowerrors> Hey all, using 5.10: I get this message repeated at bootup: localhost kernel: cdrom: open failed. localhost kernel: device-mapper: dm-linear: Device lookup failed localhost kernel: device-mapper: error adding target to table
[01:05] <Knowerrors> any ideas what it is or if its a problem?
[01:05] <crimsun> Knowerrors: does your system fail to boot?
[01:05] <unsurreal> brb using xchat
[01:05] <unsurreal> exit
[01:05] <Knowerrors> no it boots up to kde just fine
[01:05] <crimsun> Knowerrors: then it's non-fatal. Move along, nothing to see.
[01:06] <Knowerrors> but Im wondering if something is wrong Im not noticeing yet
[01:06] <Knowerrors> don't like that, especially since I only popped up after I built a new kernel
[01:06] <crimsun> oh...you built a new kernel?
[01:06] <unsurreal> crimsun: #flood
[01:06] <crimsun> That's pretty relevant. Why did you do that?
[01:07] <crimsun> and unless you're using Ubuntu's -precise- patch set and -precise- configuration options, you stand a good chance of having broken something.
[01:07] <troth> does anyone know of a package that i can apt-get, that will have java, flash, real, etc. (a bit torrent client would help too)
[01:07] <Knowerrors> I needed support for a dvb tuner card
[01:07] <unsurreal> troth:
[01:07] <Knowerrors> so I built a 2.6.13.4 custom kernel
[01:08] <unsurreal> troth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats
[01:08] <crimsun> unsurreal: I see nothing related to firefox-bin or flash at all in that output. Did you obtain that output while the flash applet was playing?
[01:08] <unsurreal> yes
[01:09] <unsurreal> thats the problem
[01:09] <crimsun> can you replicate this problem in GNOME?
[01:10] <unsurreal> Most likely, every distro I've tried has had this problem
[01:10] <flixor> Ehm it seems that i was mistaken crimsun the sound is still not working, but you seem rather busy so i will wait and try to fix it 
[01:12] <crimsun> then it's definitely not Kubuntu-specific
[01:12] <crimsun> flixor: cat /proc/asound/modules
[01:12] <crimsun> unsurreal: you need to write an e-mail to Macromedia asking them to fix their plugin
[01:13] <crimsun> since we don't have access to their source code, we can't fix it
[01:13] <flixor> ehm, i must be tired because the sound is working i did a test but i dont hear it when i use kcd
[01:13] <flixor> to play a cd 
[01:14] <crimsun> flixor: did you alter the options as I suggested?
[01:14] <crimsun> in kscd's options, you need to use digital audio extraction
[01:14] <crimsun> it's set to analog by default
[01:14] <flixor> one moment crimsun working on it
[01:14] <troth> unsurreal: now when i apt-get them, they will automatically install to firefox?
[01:15] <Pupeno> what xine video output moulde would work on an intel video board ?
[01:15] <unsurreal> troth: find out and see
[01:15] <unsurreal> crimsun: the directions on the restrictedformats page seems to have worked
[01:15] <unsurreal> better anyways
[01:16] <flixor> yes its working now crimsun, well it least i have music 
[01:17] <flixor> :0
[01:17] <flixor> its still a little bit soft but its working 
[01:18] <Pupeno> to play a dvd.
[01:18] <grepper> anyone know how to do parallel builds with cdbs and debuild ?  (distcc is already working ok)
[01:18] <grepper> hah
[01:19] <grepper> its not even implemented afaik :P
[01:19] <crimsun> cdbs honors certain environment variables
[01:19] <grepper> yep
[01:20] <crimsun> that should be a clue enough ;-)
[01:20] <crimsun> you'll have to hook that magic into debian/rules, but you can do it
[01:20] <grepper> I use them and have tried a bunch
[01:20] <grepper> or I wouldn't be asking :)
[01:21] <grepper> DEBUILD_SET_ENVVAR_PATH is working fine
[01:21] <grepper> just can't find one that works for -j option
[01:21] <unsurreal> crimsun: you familiar with konqueror?
[01:23] <grepper> thanks anyway
[01:23] <crimsun> unsurreal: no, I don't use it often
[01:23] <unsurreal> damn
[01:24] <unsurreal> crimsun: well would you know why it works great as a file manager, but i have 15gb of songs on a windows partition, and when i go into that folder it makes my entire system choppy?
[01:26] <Pupeno> What do you recommend me to play a DVD?
[01:27] <crimsun> unsurreal: seeing how I don't use Konqueror, it'd be difficult for me to give you a straight answer
[01:27] <unsurreal> ka awesome
[01:27] <unsurreal> gotta get some work done tho, talk to ya later
[01:28] <kdude> Pupeno: use MPlayer.
[01:29] <Pupeno> kdude: when I run mplayer it only shows the making of or something like that.
[01:30] <kdude> Pupeno: Auu.. I don't understand you.
[01:31] <Pupeno> kdude: mplayer doesn't play the movie on the disc, it plays the making of or something else.
[01:34] <kdude> Pupeno: What does you mean by "play the making of"?
[01:34] <Pupeno> kdude: it does'n play "Star Wars", it plays "The making of Star Wars"
[01:36] <kdude> Pupeno: Sounds like your DVD is messed up man. Did you try other DVD media?
[01:36] <Pupeno> I don't have other dvd media... xine can play it, mplayer is messed up, thanks anyway.
[01:38] <kdude> Pupeno: Maybe you need  some more libs. or try re-installing MPlayer..
[01:40] <_uwe> hello all, on kubuntu, running firefox, i set some font for arabic, i cant change it, ie i change the font , restart ff but the old font is still used
[01:40] <_uwe> any idea why ?
[01:47] <Knowerrors> anybody have problems getting msttcorefonts?  I enabled all repos except backports and can't get em
[02:09] <troth> what was that wiki link for the flash and java etc. onfo?
[02:09] <troth> *info
[02:09] <nalioth> !restricted
[02:09] <ubotu> [restricted]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:10] <troth> thats it thx!
[02:20] <Filloy> ahh, need help with samba !..please !....i have two computers. Both with XP and Kubuntu. With Samba i can view everything, but when im in linux and linux i cant share a thing, or at least i dont know whats my shared folder so i can transfer files over the network....do yo uknow how to do that ?
[02:22] <Filloy> anyone ?
[02:22] <Filloy> apokryphos: ?
[02:24] <apokryphos> what is it?
[02:25] <Filloy> apokryphos: well, you just have to read a normal conversation in the channel, and you begin to understand who knows what hes doing....so everybody asks him (in this case....you) so you start to gain "fame points" even when you are not talking. Thats why i just asked you :p
[02:26] <apokryphos> wow, a dangerous business indeed. 
[02:26] <Filloy> yep, knowledge can kill you :p
[02:26] <Filloy> or at leas flood you :)
[02:27] <crimsun> apokryphos: (RE: make uninstall: it's dangerous if --prefix=/usr was used with configure, because then it can remove things that were previously installed by a package manager)
[02:27] <apokryphos> I know; that's why I generally use /usr/local for alternative versions
[02:27] <crimsun> then you get to have fun with ld.so.conf
[02:28] <crimsun> it all gets very messy
[02:28] <Filloy> uhmmm......no sharing with samba today in the chatroom :(
[02:29] <Filloy> darn, i hate ubuntuguide, but its very handy sometimes :P
[02:29] <apokryphos> the guide wouldn't give you any kubuntu-related instructions anyway
[02:30] <apokryphos> the guy basically refused to put a "how to install kde" step to just say sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. A right loony
[02:30] <Filloy> apokryphos: yes i know, its pure instructions.....not a guide, just a set of instructions....
[02:30] <apokryphos> and often bad ones at that
[02:31] <Filloy> apokryphos: ha, well....im shure of that, many times ive had my computer fu*#$d by the guide :p
[02:36] <fatbrain_> Hm, what should I install to get "make" to work?
[02:36] <fatbrain_> or, rather, what should I install if I want to develop stuff for Kubuntu?
[02:37] <BlankC> sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[02:37] <fatbrain_> BlankC: Thanks
[02:38] <BlankC> err build-essential
[02:38] <fatbrain_> BlankC: Any other package I should consider installing?
[02:41] <apokryphos> for making packages for kubuntu?
[02:41] <apokryphos> well, you'll need to know quite a bit
[03:03] <sector10> ok i fixed the fonts kde looks better, 
[03:03] <sector10> im using lohit hindi
[03:04] <sector10> my infra red usb mouse wont work
[03:05] <sector10> somethings a little jumpy, toughpad and keyboard entry
[03:25] <Drakeson> has anybody played mpeg's in mplayer?
[03:31] <jsubl2> Drakeson: i can play this http://www.linspire.com/file_types/mpg_sample.php
[03:31] <fatbrain_> What would be a good bit-torrent client for Kubuntu?
[03:32] <jsubl2> ktorrent
[03:32] <fatbrain_> Thank you
[03:33] <Drakeson> fatbrain_: if you don't mind about being open source, you can also try "opera 8.10 preview" which has managed to put a bittorrent client in it
[03:34] <Drakeson> (opera 8.5 doesn't have this), it is supposed to be added in opera 9
[03:34] <Knowerrors> anyone know how to get apps to open as sudo? ie "sudo kate", this worked in my old debian install and now does nothing, a file manager super user mode would be great too
[03:35] <jsubl2> Knowerrors: try kdesu
[03:38] <Knowerrors> ok
[03:40] <kkathman> Good evening all :)
[03:45] <Knowerrors> Is there any way to save changes in Adept to apply at another time?
[03:49] <kkathman> Knowerrors: what kind of changes?? Filters?
[03:50] <Knowerrors> no, packages I want to install
[03:51] <Knowerrors> there was a feature in Synaptic to save changes for to apply later
[03:51] <kkathman> Knowerrors: you could try kynaptic instead I suppose
[03:52] <kkathman> Adept is confusing to me actually. I learned with apt-get and so thats what I use to install, then I look at kynaptic to see if there's something Im interested in or what I've installed
[03:53] <Knowerrors> I think I'll just install Synaptic, its far superior to eigher kynaptic or adept
[03:53] <fatbrain_> test
[03:54] <Knowerrors> I use apt for installing individual stuff, but if I want alot of packages and also want to manage depends, I use Synaptic
[03:57] <SpecialBudd> I don't like breezy that much
[03:57] <SpecialBudd> I'm having trouble connecting with wireless
[03:58] <qatsi> what dows x11drv: Cant open display mean ?
[04:02] <SpecialBudd> how am I supposed to get wireless working correctly
[04:02] <SpecialBudd> I know it recognized the card because it sees my network and knows the signal but I can't get online
[04:03] <Knowerrors> Are the w32codecs in the ubu uni/multi, or do I have to add nerim?
[04:04] <SpecialBudd> Breezy sucks
[04:04] <SpecialBudd> buggy
[04:12] <_rodrigo> Good nite, everyone!
[04:14] <_rodrigo> I have this issue. I am behind a router and I have to run "dhclient" to get internet access. What should I do to have my connection ready from boot (without the need of running dhclient)?
[04:17] <Drakeson> SpecialBudd: have you seen this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> can somone help me with a find ?
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> im having issues with -exec :|
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> kaiser@darthvader:/AllSharedFilesHere$ sudo find ./ -uid 1032 -exec chown garry {};
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> results in 'missing arguement to exec'
[04:44] <sector10> evolution is crashing
[04:45] <sector10> maybe ill have to use kmail
[04:50] <kkathman> wassup peoples?
[04:51] <kkathman> Hey Kamping_Kaiser  :)  Welcome back..hope you had a good rest!
[04:53] <poimen> ok , I have problem with my sound card It only leaves me hear one thing at a time I can not open skype and a game and hear the sound output sof both programs just one. Also if I am tring to view something with kaffeine and want to use other program that uses sound one gets the sounbd blocked whta can I do? Or this is normal in linux ???
[04:55] <logikal> who wants to help me?
[04:55] <logikal> http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/403656
[04:56] <poimen> here people dont look so helpfull :(
[04:57] <poimen> modules/2.6.12-9-amd64-generic/kernel/sound/core/seq/snd-seq-device.ko): Operation not permitted   <____________- you doing this a root?
[04:57] <poimen> you did sudo modprobe whatever?
[04:57] <logikal> yes
[04:57] <logikal> tried it
[04:57] <logikal> didnt work.
[04:57] <poimen> logikal@linuxbox:~$ modprobe snd-intel8x0;modprobe snd-pcm-oss;modprobe snd-mixer-oss;modprobe snd-seq-oss
[04:57] <poimen> it looks like you dont
[04:58] <logikal> No i tried sudo, same error
[04:58] <poimen> ok
[04:58] <poimen> that is strange
[04:58] <poimen> it looks without root permitions
[04:58] <poimen> :(
[04:59] <poimen> try making a su password 
[04:59] <poimen> I dont kwon it supos to be the sam ething as doing sudo here in ubuntu
[05:00] <logikal> sudo has a password.
[05:04] <zpao> is anybody familiar with setting up ubuntu so that I could choose my window manager at startup (like suse).  I want to have both gnome and kde
[05:06] <poimen> really I dont kwon :(
[05:06] <propagandhi> zpao: you mean u want a login screen that lets u choose which session?
[05:10] <dmlinux> is there a gdesklets for KDE environment
[05:10] <zpao> propagandhi: basically
[05:10] <hydrogen> its kalled superkaramba
[05:14] <zpao> propagandhi: nevermind I figured it out. thanks anyway
[05:18] <lazerman> can someone help me get into root
[05:18] <lazerman> i need to install nvidia drivers
[05:18] <lazerman> anyone?
[05:20] <lazerman> HELLO!
[05:32] <propagandhi> lazerman, sudo su -p
[05:36] <sector10> i got big problems
[05:36] <sector10> damn just when i thought i could do email
[05:37] <sector10> i installed kubuntu now ubuntu wont start
[05:37] <tarheelcoxn> ?
[05:37] <tarheelcoxn> you should be able to choose gnome from the sessions menu
[05:37] <tarheelcoxn> at the login prompt
[05:38] <sector10> i tried of course
[05:38] <tarheelcoxn> what does it give you?
[05:39] <sector10> it goes to start ubuntu but only kubuntu background no apps menus nothing
[05:39] <sector10> it gives me the brown login splash too
[05:39] <sector10> and a little bit of the drum roll
[05:40] <sector10> i tried restarting gdm 
[05:40] <sector10> i went and tried it again same thing, it goes back and forth trying to start
[05:40] <tarheelcoxn> so you added kubuntu by getting the kubuntu-desktop package, right?
[05:40] <sector10> YES
[05:41] <tarheelcoxn> have you looked in /var/log?
[05:41] <sector10> good idea
[05:41] <sector10> what should i look for?
[05:41] <tarheelcoxn> gdm.log
[05:41] <tarheelcoxn> is there one?
[05:42] <sector10> yes
[05:42] <sector10> i was using kdm first
[05:42] <sector10> then sitched because of the problem
[05:42] <tarheelcoxn> ohhh
[05:43] <tarheelcoxn> unlikely to be a display manager problem then
[05:43] <tarheelcoxn> :P
[05:43] <sector10> i know
[05:44] <sector10> i was only hoping
[05:44] <sector10> i think its maybe my cpu usage went way up or something
[05:44] <sector10> its a vaio notebook
[05:44] <tarheelcoxn> ahh
[05:45] <sector10> could it be acpi maybe?
[05:45] <sector10> my battery was very low
[05:47] <tarheelcoxn> hmm
[05:47] <tarheelcoxn> honestly I'm too tired to be of much help
[05:47] <sector10> not a good sign, if its too unstable to do email or anything
[05:47] <sector10> thats ok
[05:47] <sector10> im a bit depressed about this
[05:48] <tarheelcoxn> :(
[05:48] <sector10> im afraid to rely on it now
[05:48] <sector10> evolution seems to work, but if it just crashes like that i cant do work
[05:48] <tarheelcoxn> maybe uninstall gdm and ubuntu-desktop?
[05:49] <sector10> im thinking so
[05:49] <kkathman> hey wassup guyz?
[05:49] <tarheelcoxn> best of luck
[05:49] <sector10> thanks
[05:49] <kkathman> hey tarheelcoxn  night :)
[05:49] <tarheelcoxn> :) g'night!
[05:50] <sector10> im going to uninstall ubuntu desktop
[05:52] <kkathman> hey frank23  :)
[05:52] <frank23> hey
[05:53] <logikal> How do i install my printer?
[05:54] <kkathman> logikal: go to System Settings, Hardware, Printers
[05:54] <logikal> thx
[05:55] <logikal> kkathman, i dont see that
[05:55] <logikal> Im on brreezy
[05:56] <Abysmal> evening all.. I have a question about configuration.. I am trying to change the ip of my maching that was originally set for dhcp to a static ip.. but in the system settings I cant edit anything and the admin button is not on the screen.. I am using 5.10.. any ideas??
[05:58] <frank23> Abysmal: the easiest solution is to install gnome-system-tools and run network-admin
[05:58] <logikal> Where is the printer install tool in kubuntu?
[05:59] <kkathman> Abysmal: try going to a console, and sudo network-admin  hopefully you have the gnome tools
[05:59] <Abysmal> hold..
[05:59] <kkathman> logikal: I told you...System Settings - Hardware - Printers
[06:00] <Abysmal> nope.. no gnome tools installed
[06:00] <frank23> Abysmal: you can install it with adept
[06:00] <kkathman> frank23: not if hes not connected to the net :)
[06:01] <kkathman> but if you are, Abysmal ,  sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop (I think)
[06:01] <kkathman> gnome desktop will get you the things you need I think
[06:01] <Abysmal> i'll try that.. 
[06:01] <kkathman> but that only works if you can connect to the net
[06:02] <frank23> Abysmal: all you need to install is gnome-system-tools
[06:02] <kkathman> Abysmal: It may be gnome-desktop-environment....I forget
[06:02] <kkathman> all thats good, thanks frank23  :)
[06:05] <Abysmal> apt-get cant find gnome-desktop-environment
[06:05] <frank23> Abysmal: its  gnome-system-tools
[06:05] <Abysmal> neither work
[06:07] <frank23> its because gnome-system-tools  is in universe. I wish I knew an easier to setup network settings reliably... Maybe someone else knows
[06:07] <kkathman> Abysmal: something is wrong, because I just did an apt-cache and gnome-desktop-environment is there
[06:07] <frank23> because alot of people come here with exactly your problem
[06:08] <kkathman> yah... and the reason its always better to install ubuntu, then put kubuntu on
[06:08] <Abysmal> unfortuanately I think I might just have to do that.. its a shame cuz I like the look better
[06:09] <frank23> Abysmal: does your network connection in kubuntu work right now?
[06:09] <kkathman> I did that a long time back thanks to some very good advice
[06:09] <Abysmal> yes
[06:10] <bjv> i have just upgraded from hoary to Breezy. i had selected 'no' to "would you like to replace your edited xorg.conf"?
[06:10] <bjv> after the upgrade, obviously, my xserv didnt start.
[06:10] <bjv> realizing fontpaths or something must have changed i purged xorg and reinstalled. it now works and im running it.
[06:10] <frank23> Ok then go in adept->manage repositories  and enable the lines with universe
[06:10] <Abysmal> hold
[06:10] <frank23> then click fetch updates, then search gnome-system-tools
[06:10] <bjv> but now i cannot load my nvidia drivers? going out on a limb i would guess that is because they are a kernel module?
[06:10] <bjv> and breezy upgraded my kernel to a different version?
[06:11] <frank23> bjv: had you installed you nvidia drivers with the setup file from nvidia.com?
[06:12] <bjv> frank23: yes, i had compiled drivers with the official 7676 driver pack
[06:12] <frank23> bjv: yeah the kernel changed so you need to install them again
[06:13] <frank23> bjv: the ones available thru the repos right now is 7667
[06:13] <bjv> oic, and it looks like breezy didnt bother to replace my old kernel source with new source for the new kernel. :\
[06:13] <bjv> yeah? 7667?
[06:13] <frank23> bjv: if you had linux-kernel-headers before, you have the upgraded package
[06:16] <bjv> eh, after the upgrade uname -u says 2.6.12-9-386
[06:16] <bjv> and apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.12-9-386, says there is infact a package to install
[06:17] <bjv> guess apt missed it.   headers are only like 70mb, and im a gamer so i might as well keep using my own drivers.
[06:18] <Abysmal> crap.. I get a package error with sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment
[06:18] <frank23> bjv: while your at it you change change kernel to -686 or -k7 
[06:19] <frank23> Abysmal: what error? and  gnome-system-tools is all you need. gnome-desktop-environment will want to install alot more stuff
[06:21] <Abysmal> i get an error saying it breaks something..  BREAK (Install)
[06:22] <frank23> Abysmal: what if you try with gnome-system-tools?
[06:23] <Abysmal> its not there
[06:23] <bjv> Abysmal: yeah i got an error the other day too.       something about packages being moved around, etc.
[06:24] <frank23> ?
[06:24] <Abysmal> anyone here running the new server version??
[06:38] <kkathman> I dont understand, cuz I find them both when I do an apt-cache
[06:39] <bjv> kkathman: well, i got errors when i added "gnome-desktop-environment" in the middle of my update
[06:40] <bjv> double checking, now that it is done. results in no errors for gnome
[06:41] <Abysmal> how does one share a printer in ubuntu with a windows box??
[06:45] <kkathman> Abysmal: you are running Samba, yes?
[06:46] <Abysmal> yes.. it should be in by default right?
[06:46] <kkathman> Abysmal: Is the printer connected to your Linux box or the Windows box?
[06:47] <Abysmal> its on my linux box..
[06:47] <SillyCone> Hi, I'm having problems activating my wlan0. Whenever I go to the System Settings > Networking, it is disabled. When I press Activate, it becomes Active for less then a second and then becomes disabled again. All drivers are installed. The same thing happens when I try to activate my wired network cards.
[06:47] <Abysmal> trying to print from windows
[06:48] <SillyCone> ..any suggestions?
[06:50] <kkathman> Abysmal: I have a similar situation, except my printer is on the Winbox...but you'll have to setup some authetication so that your Windows system can get access to your Linux box
[06:50] <kkathman> then, you should be able to just point to it on the network from your Winbox
[06:51] <bjv> Abysmal: isnt it just in Settings -> Network -> Samba -> printers?
[06:51] <bjv> i know you can export drivers, but you would probably have to install the windows version of the drivers on the windows boxes
[06:51] <Abysmal> night all.. I think I'm going back to ubunto/gnome and if thats still too buggy , default debian..
[07:01] <bur[n] er> has anyone packaged up amarok 1.3.3 or even 1.3.4 (released tonight) for Breezy yet?
[07:05] <strike4ce> What kind of security features does kubuntu have?
[07:06] <_manveru> strike4ce: all the features of linux
[07:07] <kkathman> strike4ce: what are you looking for?
[07:07] <strike4ce> what about wireless security?
[07:07] <_manveru> WEP and stuff?
[07:08] <strike4ce> Im in a hotel using an open wireless connection.  Would it be safe to use a credit card?
[07:08] <bjv> strike4ce: over ssl probably.
[07:08] <bjv> if the site is secure.
[07:08] <strike4ce> ssl?
[07:08] <_manveru> is the address-field yellow?
[07:08] <strike4ce> Can people get into my files?
[07:08] <bjv> secure socket layer?     in any event the url would say https:// and be yellow
[07:08] <bjv> yeah
[07:09] <strike4ce> ok
[07:09] <_manveru> do you see a lock on the lower right?
[07:09] <bjv> strike4ce: if you are hosting files on NFS or smb, on the wireless interface?
[07:09] <bjv> with open user accounts with no password?
[07:09] <strike4ce> Im not looking now just inquiring
[07:10] <_manveru> basically, the security for you creditcard-data is the browsers and the hosts job
[07:10] <bjv> yeah.
[07:11] <_manveru> firefox floods you with warnings if something is wicked
[07:12] <strike4ce> how do I keep my personal files secure?
[07:12] <strike4ce> I need a book
[07:12] <strike4ce> lol
[07:12] <_manveru> well
[07:12] <bjv> strike4ce: dude, if you have not activated any servers and made a bunch of user accounts
[07:12] <_manveru> do you have a ssh-server, samba-server, ftp-server or something similar running?
[07:13] <bjv> you should be fine. :\
[07:13] <strike4ce> i have no servers
[07:14] <_manveru> ok, ubuntu has no default-servers in my knowledge
[07:14] <_manveru> except you have the ubuntu-server, but i doubt that :)
[07:14] <strike4ce> only this user account
[07:14] <strike4ce> can i get a firewall off adept?  whats a good one?
[07:15] <_manveru> ipchains
[07:15] <_manveru> but you will need a good tool to configure it
[07:15] <kkathman> firestarter
[07:17] <strike4ce> kkathman: is firestarter a firewall?
[07:17] <_manveru> hmm
[07:17] <_manveru> kmyfirewall looks nice
[07:18] <_manveru> fireflier seems even better for a beginner
[07:18] <strike4ce> _manveru: loading it now
[07:18] <_manveru> ah, well :)
[07:18] <_manveru> please don't listen to me, as i do it all by hand....
[07:19] <_manveru> fireflier is like some windows-firewalls wich do dynamic rules-generation
[07:19] <duri> hey kubuntu guys ... I am trying to add a "History" icon in my Location Toolbar in Konq. I add the icon but I see no action. the only way I can get to the History is via F9 ... any suggestions ?
[07:19] <_manveru> they ask you - 'do you want package x running through port y from host z'
[07:20] <bjv> duri: i dont know, is there very much activity in #KDE ?
[07:20] <bjv> they probably know alot more then i do.
[07:21] <duri> ok I already asked in #kde . I wanted to have confirmation this is a problem with kubuntu instead of kde
[07:21] <_manveru> konqueror is in kde
[07:22] <_manveru> the kubuntu-guys added some candy tho...
[07:23] <_manveru> btw, the [F9]  just toggles your sidebar
[07:23] <_manveru> if it's like in firefox..
[07:24] <nalioth> your 'firewall' is actually a linux thing called "iptables"
[07:24] <nalioth> so called "firewalls" are nothing more than iptables configurators
[07:25] <duri> _manveru: how come there is no entries in the menu that shows the F9 option ?
[07:25] <duri> I think that's poor usability
[07:25] <_manveru> duri: in wich menu?
[07:25] <_manveru> nalioth: don't you forget ipchains :)
[07:25] <bjv> duri: it's in the Window menu
[07:26] <bjv> show navigation pannel, F9
[07:26] <nalioth> manveru: yes, yes
[07:26] <duri> bjv: not in the Konq I am using ... 
[07:27] <_manveru> *blob*
[07:27] <nalioth> duri: your konq has to be launched in a specific mode, i believe
[07:27] <duri> ah! and how ...
[07:27] <duri> ?
[07:27] <_manveru> if i was in a windows-channel i would say 'reinstall your OS man...'
[07:27] <_manveru> ^^
[07:27] <nalioth> duri: open a terminal and type "konqueror --help"
[07:28] <duri> the properties of my Konq icon in Kpanel says: kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing
[07:28] <duri> that is how I started it
[07:28] <_manveru> that is mine as well
[07:28] <nalioth> duri: you need filemangler mode (you can read about it with the above command)
[07:29] <duri> this is Ubuntu Breezy 5.10 with kubuntu-desktop metapackage added on top
[07:30] <_manveru> you had kde before?
[07:30] <nalioth> duri: yes? and? run the terminal command i sent you
[07:31] <duri> yeah I read the help
[07:31] <duri> so am I supposed to use a different profile ?
[07:31] <duri> filemanagement ?
[07:31] <kkathman> evening nalioth  :)
[07:32] <nalioth> kkathman: howdy
[07:33] <nalioth> duri: yes, make a new icon and phrase it so filemangling opens instead of webbrowsing
[07:33] <nalioth> duri: traditionally its the folder with a house on it
[07:40] <kkathman> howdy there fatejudger  :)
[07:40] <fatejudger> kkathman: hey
[07:43] <duri> nalioth: kfmclient does not recognize "filemangler" nor "filemangling" as valid profiles 
[07:43] <duri> where are the profiles supposed to be stored (path) ?
[07:43] <nalioth> duri: all gui file managers are filemanglers <<<< filemangler is a joke
[07:45] <duri> nalioth: grrr ;-)
[07:55] <duri> looks like in my Konq the "Window" drop-down menu is missing ... 
[07:57] <duri> are there any other kubuntu users willing to do a quick check for me ?
[07:57] <fatejudger> why does "media:/" in Konqueror no longer show hard drive partitions?
[07:57] <fatejudger> it only shows floppy and cdrom mounts
[07:57] <duri> do you guys see the Window drop-down menu in Konqueror ?
[07:59] <duri> fatejudger: when I do media:/ i see only my floppy drive
[08:02] <fatejudger> duri: yeah
[08:02] <fatejudger> duri: if you insert a CD you'll see the cdrom drive too
[08:02] <fatejudger> duri: but it used to show the partitions
[08:03] <kkathman> you guyz have samba shares or something you want to show also?
[08:03] <fatejudger> I want to see my partitions
[08:03] <fatejudger> media:/ used to show partitions
[08:04] <kkathman> I dont remember seeing partitions in media
[08:04] <fatejudger> oh they were there
[08:04] <fatejudger> trust me
[08:04] <fatejudger> I used to look at them all the time
[08:04] <fatejudger> before the last build
[08:04] <kkathman> course I always used df in a console anyway
[08:04] <pwn3r_> i used to see my hard drive partitions in media:// before the hal problem was fixed
[08:05] <pwn3r_> thats all there was actually
[08:05] <fatejudger> hal problem??
[08:05] <kkathman> go to a console and type df...that will give you all the info
[08:05] <fatejudger> I want to see my HD partitions
[08:05] <fatejudger> in Konq
[08:05] <pwn3r_> hi kkathman 
[08:06] <fatejudger> pwn3r_: what is the hal prblem?
[08:06] <fatejudger> *problem
[08:06] <duri> could somebody please confirm that the Window drop down menu shows up in Konq ? 
[08:06] <kkathman> if course, fatejudger  you could go to the K-menu, System and run "Disks" and I think that will show you what you need
[08:07] <kkathman> duri - it does
[08:07] <kkathman> hey there pwn3r_  :)
[08:07] <fatejudger> KDiskFree?
[08:07] <duri> ok ... so how is it possible that in mine does not show ?
[08:07] <kkathman> duri: not sure
[08:07] <duri> is it something you can disable ? I doubt it 
[08:07] <pwn3r_> fatejudger, there was a problem with the initial release of breezy. usb storage wouldnt show properly. it has been fixed since then.
[08:07] <kkathman> duri - maybe we arent talking about the same thing tho
[08:08] <kkathman> where are you talking
[08:08] <duri> I am running the 3.4.3
[08:08] <kkathman> the address bar?
[08:08] <kkathman> or what?
[08:08] <duri> no. the Main Drop Down menu where you see Location Edit View etc ...
[08:08] <duri> after Settings I get Help and not Window
[08:08] <kkathman> ok...and what doesnt drop down?
[08:09] <fatejudger> pwn3r_: maybe they accidentally messed up the partitions thing then
[08:09] <kkathman> duri:  Oh you mean there isnt a menu option for Windows ?
[08:09] <duri> it's not like it  does not drop down... it is not there ...
[08:09] <duri> right
[08:09] <duri> wtf!
[08:10] <kkathman> duri no I dont have that either...they changed Konq quite a bit...simplified it
[08:10] <kkathman> duri:  what are you trying to do specifically?
[08:10] <pwn3r_> fatejudger, to be honest i didnt like seeing my partitions in there. but if you are used to it being there i understand why you would want it back
[08:11] <kkathman> howdy raphink :)
[08:11] <duri> kkathman: i wanted to see how I was supposed to see where to turn the left navigational sidebar with F9 ...
[08:11] <raphink> hi kkathman 
[08:11] <kkathman> duri: you mean split left/right?
[08:12] <duri> do F9 in Konq and you will know what I mean
[08:12] <pwn3r_> duri,  i dont have a window menu in my konq :/
[08:12] <kkathman> Yeah I know...when I do an F9 it brings up and left/right pane
[08:12] <kkathman> file manager
[08:14] <kkathman> duri: some of those settings are now "toolbar" settings, so you need to go to Settings - Configure Toolbars, then enable Toolbars
[08:14] <duri> what version of Konq and KDE are u using ?
[08:14] <kkathman> KDE 3.4.3 and Konq 3.4.3
[08:14] <kkathman> the ones that are standard with Breezy's upgrade
[08:15] <pwn3r_> fatejudger, sorry i cant find how to make it do that any more. that media:// thing blows my mind kinda
[08:15] <fatejudger> pwn3r_: yeah
[08:15] <kkathman> Konq is very different in 3.4.3... they changed it to be simplified...so it isnt the same as what was in Hoary
[08:15] <fatejudger> pwn3r_: I tried going into #KDE and asking, but no one responded
[08:15] <fatejudger> kkathman: I know, I'm dissapointed
[08:16] <fatejudger> kkathman: it has lost much of its luster
[08:16] <kkathman> most of the functions are there .. they are just toolbar oriented now
[08:16] <fatejudger> kkathman: well they removed the "view in terminal"
[08:16] <kkathman> I use Konq as a file manager anyway...not a browser
[08:16] <fatejudger> yeah
[08:16] <aftertaf> fatejudger:  kkathman . then you can save the profile you want and run konq with the -profile switch...
[08:16] <fatejudger> Firefox, w00t!
[08:16] <duri> kkathman: if you ask me this is anything but simplified
[08:16] <kkathman> right aftertaf 
[08:17] <fatejudger> this media:// thing is so frustrating
[08:17] <kkathman> duri simplified = making it less complex
[08:17] <fatejudger> I mean, it was so nice to have it like that
[08:17] <fatejudger> it's great for the Windows converts as well
[08:17] <kkathman> users complained that Konq was too difficult to use
[08:17] <kkathman> I never used it except for file manipulations...and  as such, its better now for that
[08:17] <kkathman> especially once you configure it
[08:18] <aftertaf> assuming you know/can be bothered to
[08:18] <duri> I wonder if my profile is with a messed up profile ...
[08:18] <duri> !!:s/profile/problem/
[08:18] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, duri
[08:18] <kkathman> aftertaf: well all KDE apps are configurable to some extent, some more than others
[08:19] <kkathman> It took me a little time, but I configured Konq very nicely as a file manager on startup
[08:20] <raphink> kkathman: but is there still a way to get the konq functions as they were before?
[08:20] <raphink> like I can't find the split windows option anymore
[08:20] <raphink> which is very annoying
[08:20] <raphink> since I consider it a really great feature
[08:20] <kkathman> raphink: its located under Settings, Configure Toolbar....move the Left/Right Split over to the right, then enable the Main Toolbar
[08:21] <raphink> ic
[08:21] <raphink> not easy though
[08:21] <kkathman> Its the way it is
[08:21] <raphink> yes
[08:21] <logikal> Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[08:21] <raphink> well i guess if a majority of people wanted it this way, it's fine
[08:22] <raphink> logikal: you have to install the X devel packages in order to compile
[08:22] <raphink> apt-cache search xorg | grep dev
[08:22] <kkathman> For me, I ran it, pressed F9, enabled toolbars, set it as my default, and its done forever now
[08:22] <duri> kkathman: I think my problem lies with /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konq-simplebrowser.rc
[08:22] <kkathman> duri perhaps...I havent found the need to get to that level
[08:22] <logikal> what are they called?
[08:23] <kkathman> but be my gues and let us know :)
[08:23] <raphink> logikal: what do you want to compile?
[08:23] <logikal> mplyer
[08:23] <logikal> gui mplayer
[08:23] <raphink> logikal: why do you want to compile it?
[08:23] <logikal> to use it?
[08:23] <logikal> lol
[08:24] <raphink> then install it
[08:24] <raphink> you don't need to compile it
[08:24] <raphink> ;)
[08:24] <logikal> I know but it doesnt work
[08:24] <logikal> with skins
[08:24] <logikal> that way
[08:24] <raphink> oh ok
[08:24] <raphink> well then
[08:24] <raphink> you can use
[08:24] <duri> kkathman: yes I am letting you know that the definition for the pulldown menu is down there and the Window menu is missing. the Window menu is instead present  in konqueror-orig.rc
[08:24] <raphink> apt-get build-dep yourpackage
[08:24] <duri> I will fix it and be on my merry way
[08:25] <kkathman> duri kewl
[08:25] <raphink> (yourpackage being the pakcage you want to compile)
[08:25] <raphink> then
[08:25] <kkathman> nice
[08:25] <logikal> what
[08:25] <logikal> ?
[08:25] <raphink> apt-get --build source yourpackage
[08:25] <logikal> why can't i just compile it?
[08:25] <raphink> that will build the dependencies to compile your package
[08:25] <raphink> and compile it to new packages automatically
[08:25] <raphink> well even if you don' tuse the second command
[08:25] <logikal> wait dude, 1st week on linux
[08:25] <raphink> the first one can be useful to make your sure you have the required headers
[08:25] <logikal> my brain hurts
[08:26] <aftertaf> lol 
[08:26] <raphink> logikal: in order to compile a program/package, you need some headers to be present
[08:26] <logikal> I just need x11 gui support
[08:26] <raphink> i.e. some dependencies, present in other packages, and often called *-dev
[08:26] <logikal> so i can compile this
[08:26] <raphink> well you need the xorg development packages
[08:27] <raphink> so either you can find them specifically
[08:27] <raphink> or 
[08:27] <logikal> i got most of them
[08:27] <raphink> what i propose you
[08:27] <raphink> is to run 
[08:27] <raphink> apt-get build-dep mplayer-k7 (for example)
[08:27] <raphink> which will install al lthe required dependencies
[08:27] <raphink> so you can compile 
[08:27] <kkathman> duri:  So theoretically, you use backup the konq-simplebrowser.rc, then rename konqueror-orig.rc yes?
[08:28] <raphink> without having to wonder about xorg devel and other devel packages
[08:28] <raphink> right?
[08:28] <kkathman> duri: or can you just tell Konq what config file to use?
[08:28] <logikal> my brain just shut down
[08:28] <logikal> ok
[08:28] <logikal> lets do it
[08:28] <raphink> logikal: but then I'm surprised mplayer can't be skinned when installed from packages o_O
[08:29] <logikal> logikal@linuxbox:~$ sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer
[08:29] <logikal> Password:
[08:29] <logikal> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:29] <logikal> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:29] <logikal> logikal@linuxbox:~$                  
[08:30] <logikal> F%#K LIFE.
[08:30] <logikal> oh
[08:30] <logikal> LOL
[08:30] <logikal> sorry
[08:30] <logikal> disreguard.
[08:30] <duri> kkathman: brb
[08:30] <aftertaf> logikal:  either synaptic/adept is already open, or you didnt run as root.
[08:30] <logikal> shhh
[08:30] <logikal> disreguard
[08:30] <logikal> :)
[08:30] <logikal> E: Unable to find a source package for mplayer
[08:30] <raphink> logikal: the mplayer package doesn' texist
[08:31] <mornfall> oh yey
[08:31] <mornfall> mplayer is not distributable, apparently =)
[08:31] <raphink> logikal : apt-cache search mplayer
[08:31] <raphink> and you'll get the names of the packages
[08:31] <raphink> as mplayer is compiled in several packages depending on your proc
[08:31] <mornfall> add debian-illegal to sources.list to get mplayer
[08:31] <logikal> I did dude
[08:31] <logikal> I already did this.
[08:31] <logikal> and i tried
[08:31] <logikal> and got error
[08:31] <raphink> no mornfall 
[08:31] <raphink> mornfall: mplayer is included
[08:31] <mornfall> raphink: huh where?
[08:32] <logikal> logikal@linuxbox:~$ sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer-amd64
[08:32] <logikal> Reading package lists... Done
[08:32] <logikal> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:32] <logikal> E: Unable to find a source package for mplayer
[08:32] <raphink> mornfall: apt-cache search mplayer
[08:32] <mornfall> raphink: yeah, gives nothing
[08:32] <mornfall> raphink: on breezy
[08:32] <raphink> really?
[08:32] <mornfall> yeah :)
[08:32] <aftertaf> really???
[08:32] <mornfall> universe included
[08:32] <mornfall> well
[08:32] <logikal> Im on brezzy
[08:32] <logikal> and I see them.
[08:32] <logikal> he's smoking something.
[08:32] <mornfall> mga-vid-source - Kernel driver for the back-end scaler on Matrox cards (source)
[08:32] <mornfall> for some reason =)
[08:32] <raphink> sorry for the coming flood :
[08:32] <aftertaf> i disagree. i have em.
[08:32] <raphink>  $ apt-cache search mplayer
[08:33] <raphink> mga-vid-source - Kernel driver for the back-end scaler on Matrox cards (source)
[08:33] <mornfall> it's more like apt-cache policy mplayer
[08:33] <raphink> acidrip - ripping and encoding DVD tool using mplayer and mencoder
[08:33] <raphink> libpostproc0 - Mplayer postproc shared libraries
[08:33] <aftertaf> raphink:  i have all that too.....
[08:33] <raphink> mencoder-586 - MPlayer's Movie Encoder
[08:33] <raphink> mencoder-custom - MPlayer's Movie Encoder
[08:33] <mornfall> that's from debian-illegal x)
[08:33] <raphink> mencoder-k6 - MPlayer's Movie Encoder
[08:33] <raphink> mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla
[08:33] <logikal> mplayer - The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[08:33] <logikal> mplayer-amd64 - The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[08:33] <logikal> mplayer-doc - Documentation for mplayer
[08:33] <logikal> mplayer-fonts - Fonts for mplayer
[08:33] <logikal> mplayer-nogui - The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[08:33] <raphink> mplayer-386 - The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[08:33] <raphink> mplayer-586 - The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[08:33] <mornfall> OH MY GOD
[08:33] <raphink> mplayer-686 - transitional dummy package which can be safely removed
[08:33] <aftertaf> someone missing multiverse?
[08:33] <kkathman> lol
[08:33] <raphink> mplayer-custom - The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[08:33] <raphink> mplayer-doc - Documentation for mplayer
[08:33] <raphink> mplayer-fonts - Fonts for mplayer
[08:33] <mornfall> *sigh*
[08:34] <kkathman> raphink: quit it :)
[08:34] <raphink> mplayer-k6 - The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[08:34] <kkathman> enought!!
[08:34] <raphink> mplayer-k7 - transitional dummy package which can be safely removed
[08:34] <kkathman> use pastebin
[08:34] <raphink> mplayer-nogui - The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[08:34] <raphink> xmms-xmmplayer - XMMS plugin that uses MPlayer to play video files
[08:34] <raphink> see?
[08:34] <raphink> on breezy too
[08:34] <logikal> im on breezy
[08:34] <logikal> ANYWAYS
[08:34] <logikal> this doesnt fix me
[08:34] <raphink> funny, I don' thave amd64 ;)
[08:34] <raphink> logikal: you can try using easy ubuntu or automatix
[08:34] <raphink> it will install mplayer
[08:34] <logikal> I want to compile it.
[08:34] <raphink> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563
[08:35] <raphink> oh ok then
[08:35] <logikal> I"M GOING to compile it.
[08:35] <raphink> sure
[08:35] <logikal> lol.
[08:35] <raphink> ;)
[08:35] <logikal> so
[08:35] <logikal> We need the x11 stuff.
[08:35] <raphink> you need it at least ;)
[08:35] <raphink> so you need to find it ;)
[08:35] <mornfall> multiverse is not free software
[08:37] <raphink> logikal: what does it say you need ?
[08:37] <mornfall> anyway, given mplayer's history of gpl violation, if i were ubuntu i wouldn't dare to distribute it :-)
[08:37] <mornfall> s/gpl/license/
[08:38] <logikal> I'm about to smash my keyboard.
[08:38] <raphink> y?
[08:38] <logikal> Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[08:38] <raphink> ok
[08:39] <raphink> well then you need to get the X11 headers
[08:39] <mornfall> heh
[08:39] <raphink> as I guess you're using xorg since it's default in ubuntu
[08:39] <mornfall> why not disable gui
[08:39] <logikal> I want gui
[08:39] <logikal> I already compilied it without it.
[08:39] <raphink> you need to install the xorg development packages
[08:39] <logikal> I did man
[08:39] <logikal> I installed like 50 of them
[08:39] <raphink> hmmm
[08:39] <mornfall> probably not enough =)
[08:39] <raphink> lol
[08:39] <mornfall> check config.log
[08:39] <kkathman> hmm wonder if that worked for duri :)
[08:40] <mornfall> also, why you just don't get the bloody binary?
[08:40] <logikal> I just installed everything.
[08:40] <logikal> screw it
[08:40] <logikal> like 134 packages or something.
[08:40] <logikal> Computers make me angry.
[08:41] <mornfall> that's because you compile mplayer
[08:41] <kkathman> For those of you that dont like the way Konq is, here's how to change it back...click the link at the appropriate spot at the top:  http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[08:47] <kkathman> logikal: Computers never make me angry, cuz I ALWAYS have the final card to play...I can pull the power plug :)
[08:47] <kkathman> that frustrates the heck out of them :)
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:47] <logikal> hahah
[08:47] <logikal> well dude
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mte
[08:47] <logikal> i installed everyting
[08:47] <logikal> INCLUDING
[08:47] <kkathman> hey Kamping_Kaiser :)
[08:47] <logikal> libx11-dev
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[08:47] <logikal> and it still same error
[08:48] <logikal> so i am going to smash the keyboard.
[08:48] <logikal> dvbxzfdvgdfgs hzgdlskdsljsxzxcxksAD45ewsrrdes
[08:48] <kkathman> its ok keyboards are cheap
[08:49] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: Hey werent you asking about Konqueror the other night and how to get it back to the way it was in hoary?
[08:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: no, it wasnt
[08:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont use kde :)
[08:50] <logikal> hmm
[08:50] <logikal> i hate life
[08:50] <kkathman> ah ok
[08:50] <logikal> i wanan shoot someone or myself
[08:50] <kkathman> must have been someone else
[08:50] <dlausevic|breezy> thanks
[08:50] <logikal> [08:50] <logikal> NOTHING BELOW THAT
[08:50] <logikal> HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT FAILED
[08:50] <logikal> IF I CAN'T SEE THE !@#$%!$%ING THING.
[08:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> bugger eh
[08:50] <kkathman> Logikal are you saying you have no GUI now?
[08:51] <logikal> no
[08:51] <logikal> the document
[08:51] <logikal> has no data
[08:51] <logikal> on x11
[08:51] <logikal> or any of its minions.
[08:51] <kkathman> but your KDE works ok?
[08:51] <logikal> yes
[08:51] <logikal> k;ljgds;g
[08:51] <logikal> iyts mplayert
[08:51] <logikal> MPLAYER
[08:51] <logikal> I HATE IT
[08:51] <kkathman> Hey logikal every thought of trying another product?
[08:52] <kkathman> I guess Im chicken, when something doesnt work, I just move on to something that does
[08:52] <kkathman> I cant afford the time.
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> sif hate mplayer :(
[08:53] <kkathman> one thing nice about Linux, there are usually about 50 programs to do what you want :)
[08:53] <kkathman> hehe
[08:54] <aftertaf> logikal:  what mplayer packages did you install?
[08:54] <aftertaf> i like mplayer for it comes with mencoder.....
[08:54] <logikal> i didnt
[08:54] <logikal> i installed x11 developement packages
[08:54] <logikal> becuyase when i try to compile mplayer
[08:54] <logikal> Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[08:54] <logikal> Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[08:55] <aftertaf> logikal:  why try to compile if youre new to linux? 
[08:56] <logikal> becuase
[08:56] <logikal> if something doesnt work
[08:56] <logikal> i dont move on
[08:56] <logikal> i need to make it work
[08:56] <logikal> or i get all feeling angry
[08:56] <dlausevic|breezy> hello fellow kubuntu'ers
[08:56] <logikal> and break something
[08:56] <aftertaf> yeah but why go compiling when you have a readymade binary?
[08:56] <kkathman> his own rate per hour is much less than mine or yours aftertaf :)
[08:56] <kkathman> right
[08:57] <kkathman> hello dlausevic|breezy :)
[08:57] <logikal> aftertaf, because then skins wont work
[08:57] <aftertaf> logikal:  if you've been with linux 1 week, you can't expect to grasp it all in that time.... linux takes time to get a grasp of.....
[08:57] <dlausevic|breezy> after 2 weeks of agony, i finalized my migration.  i selected so many distros on a spare drive.  I selefted kubuntu.  I'm now running breezy on my main drive.  just restoring my backups now.
[08:58] <aftertaf> logikal:  my mplayer can use skins, pretty sure of that...... anyway, mplayer is for video, and video is mostly fullscreen, so skin not seen.
[08:58] <duri> kkathman: still there ?
[08:59] <kkathman> yep
[08:59] <kkathman> logikal: found your problem... read this:  https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-November/msg05377.html
[08:59] <kkathman> duri: found how to fix Konqy too
[08:59] <duri> I solved it by saving to a named profile and then editing under my ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles said named profile
[08:59] <kkathman> duri:  http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :'(
[09:00] <kkathman> I think more people should learn to Google
[09:00] <kkathman> hehe
[09:00] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  oh dear.... what card?
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nvidia, Gforce fxs
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> *fx
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[09:01] <kkathman> duri: it was much easier...just 2 commands :)
[09:01] <duri> cool ... 
[09:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hope its software/bios not a rooted card. i dont want to have lost a HDD, mobo and gpu in one hit :|
[09:01] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  weird, mine works fine... gf4
[09:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: never had problems before, but its not happy this time :|
[09:01] <aftertaf> oh dear..... Kamping_Kaiser you lost all that in one go? what happened?
[09:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: i was installing windows and all hte install froze, when i rebooted i was 1 mobo and 1 hdd worse off. now it seems one GPU as well.... gues who wont be installing windows again? ;|
[09:02] <kkathman> ouch :(
[09:02] <aftertaf> nasty.
[09:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh :S
[09:03] <aftertaf> stoopid thing to do ;P
[09:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> iv learned my lesson :(
[09:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> no more Win NT systems here
[09:04] <aftertaf> still. i think its more coincidence than anything else..... installing an OS doesnt kill hardware.
[09:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: yeh, i know. but you know satan.....
[09:04] <aftertaf> you probly had a juice overkill
[09:04] <aftertaf> lol
[09:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> the reason it died is irrelevent, its what was happening when it died is the question ;) and at teh time widnows was touching my hdd 
[09:05] <kkathman> aftertaf: I had a weird thing happen...I had a power failure that shut my linux box down...everything was ok, except that I had to hard assign my IP for the box cuz it didnt see DHCP anymore for some reason
[09:05] <kkathman> I couldnt explain that at all
[09:06] <logikal> kkathman, 
[09:06] <logikal> no.
[09:06] <logikal> cant find that package
[09:06] <kkathman> logikal: keep searching on Google for mplayer and X11 then
[09:07] <kkathman> apparently others have had a similar prob
[09:10] <kkathman> duri: so did your fix work ok?? Everything works?
[09:10] <fatejudger> !repos
[09:10] <ubotu> from memory, sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[09:11] <duri> yeah. I basically modified a saved profile and pointed it to konqueror-orig.rc
[09:11] <kkathman> duri: looks like the file thats the key is the konqueror.rc file.  Whatever you copy to it, is what konqy uses
[09:12] <kkathman> you can copy the simplified or the original to it
[09:12] <duri> I guess so
[09:12] <kkathman> thats what that faq basically says with its commands
[09:12] <duri> problem is that I still do not have solved the original problem I set out to solve (add an History icon to the Location toolbar)
[09:13] <duri> I can add the Action to the Location toolbar but when I click on the icon there is no history pulling up
[09:13] <kkathman> duri:  is there an option for History that you can add?
[09:13] <duri> yes 
[09:13] <duri> and it shows up
[09:14] <duri> but when you click it nothing happens
[09:14] <kkathman> duri maybe you need to create history after you put that icon in?
[09:14] <kkathman> it might reset 
[09:15] <duri> no. no luck . you click on the icon and nothing happens
[09:16] <kkathman> duri: I get the same result, if thats any consolation
[09:19] <kkathman> duri - well lots of info on History on th KDE page tho
[09:20] <kkathman> But honestly I dont use it as a web browser, so its of no mind to me :)
[09:20] <duri> url please 
[09:20] <kkathman> duri: www.konqueror.org/faq
[09:21] <kkathman> duri I also just typed in "History in Konqueror" into Google and got several hits
[09:23] <kkathman> LOL DURI!!!  Enable your left panel.. History is one of the options HAHA :)
[09:23] <kkathman> DUH
[09:23] <duri> kkathman: yes, I knew that ... 
[09:24] <kkathman> so much nicer that way :)
[09:24] <kkathman> haha
[09:24] <duri> I wanted to define an icon
[09:24] <kkathman> I had forgotten that was there :)
[09:24] <duri> :0)
[09:24] <kkathman> now you DO know that you get a history of all the sites on the address bar right?
[09:24] <kkathman> not sure why you need an icon
[09:25] <kkathman> thats 2 ways to get to history right there
[09:25] <duri> I dont' care for the site but for the single pages
[09:25] <duri> sites
[09:25] <duri> I want the chronology of the pages ... having a list of the sites is not enough
[09:26] <kkathman> then I'd use that left panel :)
[09:26] <kkathman> it works great
[09:26] <kkathman> But I must admit, its curious as to why the icon, when placed on the toolbar, doesnt seem to work
[09:26] <kkathman> Maybe a bug?
[09:27] <kkathman> or maybe you have to save that profile, and restart Konq?
[09:27] <duri> it is a bug
[09:27] <duri> I need to track down where that History action is defined
[09:28] <kkathman> well Im off to bed
[09:28] <kkathman> cyall tomorrow :)
[09:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> later kk :0
[09:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[09:29] <duri> bed time for me too
[09:29] <duri> thanks for the help
[09:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mtae
[09:31] <tvo> 'morning
[09:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[09:32] <aftertaf> im not going to bed yet ;)
[09:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> wd aftertaf :)
[09:33] <aftertaf> you tried e17?
[09:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> had a quick preview at a mates. dont have it installed
[09:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> PRETTYYYYYY
[09:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> MEEEE WANTS
[09:34] <aftertaf> !e17
[09:34] <aftertaf> !e
[09:34] <raphink> !enlightenment
[09:34] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, enlightenment is at Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work; install: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105
[09:34] <raphink> :p
[09:34] <raphink> don't be lazy, makes you lose time :p
[09:34] <aftertaf>  from memory, e17 is the next generation enlightenment http://www.enlightenment.org or http://www.rasterman.com, http://www.get-e.org or http://www.edevelop.org Install HOWTO at: http://www.gawth.org/?id=lin     breezy repositories at : http://www.soulmachine.net/wiki/index.php?title=Enlightenment_on_Ubuntu_5.10_%28Breezy_Badger%29
[09:35] <aftertaf> raphink:  it works, but ubotu told me about it ... :/
[09:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> raphink: we cant all spell :|
[09:35] <raphink> oh ok
[09:35] <aftertaf> ubotu, forget e17
[09:35] <ubotu> aftertaf: i forgot e17
[09:35] <aftertaf> ubotu, e17 is the next generation enlightenment http://www.enlightenment.org or http://www.rasterman.com, http://www.get-e.org or http://www.edevelop.org Install HOWTO at: http://www.gawth.org/?id=lin     breezy repositories at : http://www.soulmachine.net/wiki/index.php?title=Enlightenment_on_Ubuntu_5.10_%28Breezy_Badger%29
[09:35] <ubotu> okay, aftertaf
[09:35] <raphink> don't have all the keys on your keyboard Kamping_Kaiser ?
[09:35] <aftertaf> !e17
[09:35] <aftertaf> weird.
[09:35] <raphink> yes
[09:35] <raphink> !e17
[09:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> raphink: no, i didnt register my MS keyboard in time :P
[09:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> its probably because of all the links
[09:36] <raphink> ??
[09:36] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  see the last link.
[09:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: loading :)
[09:37] <aftertaf> hehe :)
[09:37] <aftertaf> it rox bigstyle...
[09:37] <aftertaf> and go to #e for helpage, or here... they're funny on #e
[09:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: i might ssh into work and d/l it at thier expnece ;)
[09:39] <aftertaf> yeah :)
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> how did i live before ssh :| i have no idea
[09:39] <kaveh> does anyone know where i can get the w32codecs package?
[09:39] <aftertaf> hehe....   i cant do that yet
[09:39] <aftertaf> !restricted
[09:39] <ubotu> restricted is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:40] <kaveh> i read that some people here might know
[09:40] <kaveh> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com/msg00044.html
[09:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> why doesnt someone teach ubotu 'like' and 'fully' just do to the whole bad language thing ;)
[09:40] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  i only have a http proxy out of work network.... and i dont know how to ssh tunnel to home....
[09:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: localport:remoteserver:remoteport iirc
[09:41] <kaveh> thanks ubotu 
[09:41] <kaveh> err.. aftertaf 
[09:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:42] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  so if the http proxy is on port 8090, i'd use port 8090 for ssh at home? 
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> you would 8090:yourhome.dyndns.org:22 iirc
[09:43] <aftertaf> oki
[09:43] <aftertaf> can you setup ssh server to usemore than one port?
[09:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, but i think you can run 2 servers (dont quote me though :S)
[09:44] <aftertaf> ok
[09:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can change the port though. i use 64
[09:44] <aftertaf> ahaaaaaaaa :)
[09:44] <aftertaf> lol
[09:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> 22+ `the meaning of life`
[09:45] <aftertaf> :D
[09:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[09:45] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  for e17, i can give you a couple of tips as i've been compiling & running it for 3 weeks on my pcs.....
[09:46] <aftertaf> though via cvs, not with the debs on that link (they are a week old, so cvs ok...)
[09:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice. you sound like you like it ;)
[09:46] <aftertaf> i ferkin love it dude..
[09:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, its pretty stuff
[09:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[09:46] <aftertaf> its not finidhed, and that add to the charm. you can use your kde apps in it....  it is FAAAAAAAAAAST
[09:47] <aftertaf> on my P3 500, it is responsive at hell....
[09:47] <aftertaf> all the eyecandy is in binary format, so precompiled... even the bgrounds... & icons & stuff.
[09:47] <aftertaf> and you do what you want with it..... with the user guide to help you thru.
[09:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) nice
[09:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> i might use e17 on this lappy
[09:48] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[09:48] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[09:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate ;)
[09:48] <aftertaf> he yeah. worth a try. and you install it, but you dont kill kde or kdm
[09:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> i use gdm
[09:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> something todo with having gnome installed :| 
[10:04] <aftertaf> yeah, sort of one or the other.... but you can re dpkg kdm and tell it to run intead.
[10:15] <_liquidbinary_> hi!
[10:16] <toby> Which repository are the w32-codecs held in?
[10:17] <toby> (to play *.wmv files)
[10:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> !restricted
[10:18] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:18] <apokryphos> !w32codecs
[10:18] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of audio/video codecs for DVD-Video. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats deb to download: http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[10:22] <toby> Thanks all. :)
[10:27] <nalioth> apokryphos: flux?
[10:27] <nalioth> nalioth: sleep?
[10:41] <hussam> the wine in http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/binary/ is pretty old . Are there any more recent builds some builds somewhere? maybe some 3rd party builds for breezy?
[10:41] <dlausevic|breezy> go to winehq.org
[10:41] <aftertaf> hussam:  you can get it in cvs
[10:42] <amarock> my kubuntu menu text seems large..how do i reduce its size?
[10:42] <nalioth> wait a couple of weeks, and get the first 'beta' of wine
[10:43] <hussam> will they make a deb for the beta?
[10:46] <aftertaf> amarock:  in prefs. 
[10:46] <nalioth> perhaps in backports
[10:48] <amarock> aftertaf: where preferences?
[10:48] <aftertaf> amarock:  look in your system settings menus....
[10:48] <aftertaf> pfffffffffffffffffff :PPPP
[10:52] <Prague2> hi
[10:53] <Prague2> is there anyone who got problems with the wifi installing breezy? :/
[10:53] <toby> amarock: system/settings/fonts/menu: choose. Apply.
[10:53] <toby> Although this only makes the font smaller/larger, and doesn't shrink the menu itself
[10:54] <aftertaf> toby:  he gone dude...
[11:00] <dlausevic|breezy> trying to mount ntfs drive without sudo.  what's the fstab entry in options for this?
[11:00] <trey> Anyone know how to set up the message bubble on messages received in windows not in focus?
[11:00] <trey> manually
[11:00] <Hobbsee> !tell dlausevic|breezy about faq
[11:00] <trey> cuz I removed my .kderc file, and .kde ... and it doesn't do it now  :/
[11:01] <Hobbsee> dlausevic|breezy: there's a windows section on there, including the fstab configuration to mount drives
[11:01] <dlausevic|breezy> thx
[11:01] <trey> Riddell: ping
[11:01] <trey> amu: ping
[11:02] <Hobbsee> hey all.  I'm looking for a GUI lightweight email client, with a mail notifier - anyone got any suggestions?
[11:02] <trey> Hobbsee: kmail isn't light enough?
[11:05] <toby> Hobbsee: I use korn as a notifier.
[11:05] <Hobbsee_> toby: i was never able to figure out how to make it work, maybe i'll try again
[11:05] <lunitik> toby: I was trying to think of korn... thnx... 
[11:06] <Prague2> i'm trying to connect my laptop to the wifi network, it seems everything goes well and kwifi reaches the net...but i'm not able to go on the web or even visualize my router configuration page...does anyone has a clue or can point me to any direction to fix it? :/
[11:06] <toby> Hobbsee_: I used package manager to install it, then just rightclicked it by the clock to set up
[11:07] <toby> Kamping_Kaiser: Hey! I sorted out that monopoly problem! I had to install the msttcorefonts from multiverse.
[11:07] <aftertaf> Prague2:  check iwconfig to see if your default gateway is ok.
[11:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> toby: well done :)
[11:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee
[11:08] <Hobbsee_> hi Kamping_Kaiser 
[11:08] <aftertaf> Prague2:  what is your network topology? Wifi... and router? explain to us, so we can visualise where the pb can be
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:08] <Hobbsee_> i'm trying to figure out how to get a mail notifier on my thunderbird
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i just know every 10 min ill have more email :)
[11:09] <aftertaf> apt-cache search mail notify
[11:09] <aftertaf> thas returns a couple
[11:09] <Prague2> i have a us robotics 8022 router access point
[11:09] <Prague2> 128bit wep encrypted
[11:10] <aftertaf> Prague2:  ok. for now, turn off encryption on both sides... see if that is the cause.
[11:10] <Prague2> and everything was fine with 5.04...but yesterday i went for breezy and i'm stuck
[11:10] <Prague2> tried
[11:10] <Prague2> nothing happens
[11:10] <aftertaf> Prague2:  ok.   what is in your /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:10] <Prague2> i've found something on ubuntu and kubuntu forums, but i'm nothing more than a newbie :/ and can't understan exactly all
[11:11] <aftertaf> that wasnt the right button hobbsee, that closed your irc client....
[11:11] <aftertaf> Prague2:  its times like these that we end up less of a newbie.... trust me on that ;)
[11:11] <Prague2> that's the biggest problem aftertaf :/ i run kubuntu on the same pc i'm running windows now...so if i'm not able to go on wifi i'm not able to look into my files and tell :/
[11:12] <Prague2> :)
[11:12] <aftertaf> Prague2:  erf ok.....   google for explore2fs: readonly ext3 access
[11:12] <aftertaf> from windope ;)
[11:12] <aftertaf> and conact your router config from windows in order to get a hardcopy ;)
[11:14] <aftertaf> same again, wrong button!!!
[11:30] <insanekane> so what happened to the hard disk display in media:/ ???
[11:32] <logikal> heh
[11:32] <logikal> its /media/
[11:32] <logikal> now for some reason
[11:32] <logikal> media:/ is for umm cd roms
[11:35] <hussam> is there a big difference between openoffice 2.0 final and 1.9.129 that shipped with breezy?
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> not realy. i think a few novelty bugs
[11:36] <insanekane> logikal: err, it was media:/ before (not to mention that media:/ always used /media/ anyway)
[11:37] <hussam> Kamping_Kaiser: so 1.9.129 is just as good as 2.0?
[11:38] <insanekane> my patch to mount hard disks in media:/ will no longer work :////
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> hussam: for most ppl yes, but if you find a bug, it may have been fixed in 2
[11:38] <bjv> hussam: surely there is a changelog somewhere?
[11:38] <hussam> Kamping_Kaiser: oh, ok
[11:40] <hussam> Kamping_Kaiser: if I do find a bug that is fixed in 2.0 final and I report it, will it be fixed in breezy-updates ? what's the ubuntu policy on that?
[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should be fixed in -updates, yes
[11:42] <aftertaf> boing
[11:44] <bjv> is microsofts word processing program very slow to start?
[11:45] <bjv> im searching openoffice.org for an explanation of why it is so inexcusably slow.
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> depends what you run it on
[11:45] <bjv> i guess if MS is slow, they have not much reason to trim fat. :\
[11:45] <__2> openoffice load alot of stuff in memory on init
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> it uses java
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> of course its slow :|
[11:46] <bjv> does it use java?
[11:46] <bjv> i thought it was a couple binaries
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> bjv: OO.o uses java because its made by sun (or was)
[11:47] <__2> OO is not made in java
[11:48] <__2> It uses java for extra features but the core is not made in java
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> it uses java :. slow
[11:56] <el-stupido> % doesnt work in Kubuntu?
[11:56] <el-stupido> says no such job
[11:56] <el-stupido> got it
[12:02] <Zambba> good afternoon
[12:08] <logikal> I downloaded vlc plugin for mozilla
[12:08] <logikal> How i get it to work?
[12:09] <naoki> i've just installed kubuntu and it seems make is missing.. what package do i have to install to get make?
[12:10] <nalioth> naoki: install "build-essential"
[12:11] <nalioth> logikal: you shouldnt have to d/l anything. use synaptic to install these things
[12:11] <naoki> nalioth: thanks
[12:11] <logikal> I did
[12:11] <logikal> and it's not working
[12:11] <logikal> and it says "no picture" in them
[12:11] <logikal> should I download realplayer?
[12:12] <nalioth> logikal: if the ubuntu vlc plugin isnt working, i doubt the source code or whatever you d/l is gonna help
[12:35] <naoki> Which packages do I have to install in order to get the header files like stdio?
[12:38] <nalioth> naoki: install and use apt-file to search for things like that
[12:43] <el-stupido> i cant copy a folder from my windows installation into my home dir?
[12:43] <nalioth> el-stupido: why not?
[12:44] <el-stupido> says i dont have permission
[12:44] <el-stupido> tried the command as sudo and it says omitting dir
[12:45] <pwn3r_> to copy folders you need to add the -r switch 
[12:46] <nalioth> ubotu: tell el-stupido about cli
[12:48] <Pwn3r> ubotu: tell Pwn3r about cli
[12:49] <el-stupido> nalioth: i know the command mate
[12:49] <Pwn3r> thats a neat trick
[12:49] <nalioth> el-stupido: practice makes perfect
[12:51] <el-stupido> nalioth: i used the command correctly.. still wont let me move the folder
[12:51] <nalioth> el-stupido: sudo cp -r bleh blah
[12:53] <el-stupido> nalioth: DOH! sorry
[12:53] <nalioth> el-stupido: Pwn3r mentioned that a few minutes ago
[12:54] <el-stupido> yeah missed that
[01:04] <Quarupted> is current Kubuntu using KDE 3.4?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> yes, 3.4.3
[01:04] <nalioth> Hobbsee: howdy
[01:04] <Hobbsee> hey nalioth :)
[01:04] <Hobbsee> long time no see
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee
[01:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi nalioth
[01:04] <nalioth> howdy KK
[01:05] <Hobbsee> hi Kamping_Kaiser :)  - i figured out how to use kmail, so will use that for a while
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. wd
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: wishing moztraybiff worked though...not sure why it doesnt
[01:05] <nalioth> kmail over what else?
[01:05] <Hobbsee> imap is so much easier to configure than pop3...
[01:05] <Hobbsee> thunderbird
[01:05] <Quarupted> cool
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. imap==owns
[01:05] <nalioth> evolution pissed me off when the weather part was left out
[01:06] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[01:06] <Quarupted> I cant believe im install KDE base just cause I want to use Konsole, but it is the best Term Emulator I have ver used
[01:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> evol just pisses me off (but im using it atm anyway)
[01:06] <Hobbsee> if only gmail did imap...then i would be very happy...
[01:06] <nalioth> Quarupted: really?
[01:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: untill ppl started sending 5  mb attachments ;)
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: lol...well..yeah...that is true
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: depends if you're on some form of broadband or stuck on dialup
[01:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. yeh
[01:07] <Hobbsee> although i dont think that our broadband is actually classified as broadband in other places in the world
[01:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> even on 512 5 mb emails are nasty :)
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: broadband is 512 >
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> 256 is just adsl
[01:08] <Hobbsee> kbps?
[01:08] <Quarupted> Yup
[01:08] <Hobbsee> *glares*, for you, maybe...
[01:08] <Quarupted> wtf is Koffice...? Is that new?
[01:08] <dipnlik> Quarupted: why Konsole is so better?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Quarupted: koffice has been around for a while
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: why are you glaring?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> !koffice
[01:08] <ubotu> KOffice is a free, integrated office suite for KDE. Included is word processing, spreadsheet, flowcharting, image manipulation applications and many more. See http://koffice.kde.org
[01:08] <nalioth> Quarupted: koffice is not new by any means
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: australian cable or adsl isnt terribly fast...
[01:09] <Quarupted> I just like the way it looks, and its its so easy to customize, way easier than Eterm, and I use the Terminal soo much, that I like it to look the way I like
[01:09] <Quarupted> I have never heard of it
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: yeh, i know ;)
[01:09] <Quarupted> I allways used OOo
[01:09] <Hobbsee> it's not unusual to only get around 100 kbps, sometimes 200 from the repositories
[01:09] <Hobbsee> if you're lucky, and it's late at night
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> i get my full speed from intenrodes mirros ;)
[01:09] <dipnlik> Quarupted: well, i like aterm, easy to customize, lightweight :)
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> *internodes mirrors
[01:10] <Quarupted> I am getting 450/k on my Kubuntu DL
[01:10] <nalioth> Quarupted: ALL of this software is FREE, no charge for trying it out, nor moral obligations
[01:10] <Quarupted> aterm doesnt look as nice in my opinion
[01:10] <nalioth> Quarupted: enable uni and multi, open adept and have a look
[01:10] <Quarupted> I know it's all free, whats your point?
[01:10] <Quarupted> what are you talking about?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Quarupted: the point is, the only thing that's stopping you is a bit of bandwidth
[01:10] <Quarupted> I'm so lost
[01:11] <nalioth> Quarupted: point is: there are things available you've never heard of, that you may enjoy using once discovered
[01:11] <Hobbsee> Quarupted: so you may as well try them all out, and see which you prefer
[01:11] <Quarupted> Stopping me from what, what did i miss?
[01:11] <Quarupted> I have tried almost every terminal emulator i could find
[01:11] <Hobbsee> Quarupted: from trying all the office suites and other programs, and then picking the ones you like and using them
[01:11] <_manveru> someone knows what's happening when i press [alt] +[space]  ?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> manveru: a black box coming up in the middle of the screen?
[01:11] <Quarupted> OOoo is free and the best for batch conversion from the MS suite, why would i use anything else?
[01:12] <dipnlik> i have a keyboard problem here on kubuntu. the keyboard layout I set on KDE only works on KDE, on other wm/terminal I have to run a setxkbmap command first. Is it possible to make this command run on boot or maybe on my login?
[01:12] <_manveru> Hobbsee: something like
[01:12] <nalioth> Hobbsee: that's not the self-destruct sequence? :0
[01:12] <_manveru> Hobbsee: i see a KDE-logo and under that 'Katapult'
[01:12] <Hobbsee> !katapult
[01:12] <ubotu> it has been said that katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[01:12] <Quarupted> Only thing I would ever use besides OOo is maybe Star Office, but thats not free
[01:12] <_manveru> huh
[01:12] <Hobbsee> nalioth: hehehe...i wasnt going to say that one so quickly...
[01:13] <_manveru> schweet :)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> _manveru: very!  it's awesome!
[01:13] <Hobbsee> faster than the run command, too
[01:13] <_manveru> accidently typed it...
[01:13] <nalioth> Hobbsee: he was not talking about you? :)
[01:13] <chimaera> hi. on my box, pbuttons isn't working, that is, it gets loaded, the buttons on my powerbook trigger xevents, but i get no response (e.g. volume..)
[01:13] <Quarupted> Has something changed in the last 6 months with Kubuntu, cause it just downloaded and installed in less than 15 mins, used to take me like 2 hours???
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Quarupted: well, there was a new release....
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> Quarupted: yeh, its got biger
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Quarupted: and it does install pretty fast
[01:14] <Hobbsee> nalioth: well...
[01:14] <Quarupted> I am running 3.6 Ghz sittin on 4 Gigs of ram on a 7Mbit connection, but still...
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. Quarupted
[01:15] <Quarupted> It got BIGGER?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> sheesh!
[01:15] <nalioth> Quarupted: wow! overkill
[01:15] <Hobbsee> 4 gigs of ram...wow!
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: yeh, i know
[01:15] <Quarupted> No i use it all when i do my rendering
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have less then that on my property
[01:15] <nalioth> i've got 2.5gb ram in my dualproc powermac and i rarely hit 1gb used
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> and thats 12 computers ;|
[01:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:15] <Quarupted> well If i render and play Doom3 with everything turned up it uses almost 90%
[01:15] <Hobbsee> only 512mb here - been trying to "inherit" more off one of dad's computers
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hasnt worked yet though
[01:16] <Hobbsee> well, not this time round, it originally went from 256 to 512, which was nice
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: yeh, got 12 in my desktop (when it works)
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hehe...when it works, yes
[01:16] <nalioth> Hobbsee: beer + keyboard = ram for Hobbsee 
[01:16] <Quarupted> but it isnt overkill, when ya do #D rendering allot
[01:16] <Quarupted> 3d*
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> mine should be "got 512 in"
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> btw ;)
[01:17] <Hobbsee> nalioth: that would probably mean that i'd have to take the computer apart - and i'd need ram laptop
[01:17] <Quarupted> BRB on KDE
[01:17] <Quarupted> I hope
[01:17] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:17] <nalioth> Hobbsee: ouch
[01:17] <Hobbsee> *laptop ram
[01:17] <Hobbsee> as this is a laptopl
[01:17] <Hobbsee> cant spell today - i blame my exams
[01:18] <nalioth> Hobbsee: i know what a laptopl is 
[01:18] <nalioth> KK, screen is great, want some edumakashunal linx?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> nalioth: right...well i actually meant laptop
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> nalioth: yup :)
[01:19] <dipnlik> nalioth: screen links? yes I want them
[01:19] <nalioth> Hobbsee: i speak/type 4 languages not including the 'misfinger' and 'dyslexic' languages
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> teach ubotu ;)
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:19] <nalioth> here is one, starts near the bottom http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/07/06/unix_gems.html
[01:19] <nalioth> and another one http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html
[01:20] <aftertaf> screen is a real gem :)
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) *clicks links*
[01:21] <dipnlik> screen made me copy the two links without touching the evil rat
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:22] <dipnlik> and irssi made me browse them with a single command :P
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> must suck having your irc client tell you what to do :PO
[01:23] <dipnlik> Kamping_Kaiser: just configured an alias for irssi, saves me some time
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[01:24] <dipnlik> Kamping_Kaiser: /alias browse exec opera -newpage $0 , IIRC
[01:24] <nalioth> aliases are my downfall, my ruination
[01:24] <dipnlik> haha
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> nalioth:  sounds like vim macros ;S
[01:24] <dipnlik> vim macros save time :)
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> i crashed a cojmputer using macros :S
[01:25] <nalioth> dipnlik: why $0 and not $1  ?
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> it was t3h embarasment
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> showing off the leet vim skills, and crash the fucking thing
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> *freeking thing
[01:25] <dipnlik> nalioth: first argument is $0
[01:26] <dipnlik> Quarupted: KDE?
[01:26] <Quarupted> Can you dock window in Kubuntu?
[01:26] <Quarupted> Like if I want Gaim dock on the side permanenly
[01:26] <Quarupted> and windows to maximize around it
[01:26] <Quarupted> Is this possible?
[01:26] <hettar> Yay 3.5b2 has the ability to drag windows between desktops in the pager
[01:26] <Quarupted> Yes Kde
[01:27] <dipnlik> Quarupted: \o/
[01:27] <Quarupted> So is that a No
[01:27] <Hobbsee> hettar: yep, so did beta 1 - it's awesome!
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. couldnt you do that before hettar? :O
[01:27] <hettar> I didn't try beta one
[01:27] <Quarupted> Cause If not ima stick with Gnome for a while
[01:27] <Hobbsee> Quarupted: you should be able to drag it over there
[01:27] <Quarupted> huh?
[01:27] <Hobbsee> Quarupted: and it should stay in the last remembered position
[01:27] <Quarupted> wHAT YA MEAN DRAG IT OVER THERE?
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> relax
[01:27] <Hobbsee> sorry, click and drag the window to where you want it to sit....
[01:28] <Quarupted> OOOpps
[01:28] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:28] <Quarupted> sory bout caps
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[01:28] <Hobbsee> yeah, i love being yelled at, cant you tell?
[01:28] <Quarupted> No I need it to dock so windowes dont go over it when i Maximize them
[01:28] <Hobbsee> ah i see
[01:28] <Hobbsee> right click on the bar at the top of the window, advanced, keep on top of all others
[01:29] <Hobbsee> should do the trick
[01:29] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: not what he wants, i think
[01:29] <Quarupted> no cause then when I maximize the window will be cut off
[01:29] <Hobbsee> darn
[01:29] <Quarupted> Do ya not know what "docking" is?
[01:29] <Quarupted> Like the menu bar on the bottom, its docked
[01:30] <Hobbsee> yeah, i assumed docking just meant staying in one place
[01:30] <Quarupted> it stays there, and no window will go over it, even when maximized
[01:30] <Quarupted> Thats what I want gaim to do
[01:30] <Quarupted> Or any window
[01:30] <dipnlik> Quarupted: i know what is docking, don't know if it is KDE-related or Gaim-related
[01:30] <Quarupted> It WM related
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Quarupted: how do you doc gaim?
[01:31] <Quarupted> Thats what I am trying to figure out
[01:31] <Quarupted> How do I dock any window in KDE
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, i thought you said you could do it in gnome :O
[01:31] <Quarupted> Cant doo it in Gnome I know that
[01:31] <Quarupted> Nope
[01:31] <Quarupted> Thats why I would switch to KDE if It could do that
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, cos i cant work it out either :|
[01:32] <Quarupted> Im used to using Trillian dicked on the side in my windows
[01:32] <dipnlik> Quarupted: IIRC, there is an IM client called sim that can dock itself
[01:33] <Quarupted> I wanna use Gaim
[01:33] <Quarupted> lol, its the best IM client by far no question
[01:33] <dipnlik> best for you :P
[01:33] <icewt> kopete
[01:33] <dipnlik> bitlbee :D
[01:34] <Quarupted> No, it's the most developed, the most features, the most compatible, it is overall the best
[01:35] <Quarupted> Thats not an Opinion
[01:35] <Quarupted> That is fact, I mean come on
[01:35] <icewt> Quarupted: that's what i thought until i tried kopete
[01:36] <Quarupted> I have tried Kopete, it offers nothing that Gaim doesnt, and lacks allot that Gaim does have
[01:36] <Quarupted> The only thing I like better is the way it lloks
[01:36] <propagandhi> Quarupted: thats not fact, your still displaying your opinion
[01:36] <Quarupted> How?
[01:36] <dipnlik> "the most developed, the most features, the most compatible" != the best
[01:36] <propagandhi> How?
[01:36] <dipnlik> the best is the one that fits your needs better.
[01:36] <Quarupted> Thats not an opinion its apples and oranges
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. break it up ppl
[01:37] <propagandhi> Quarupted if your dumb enough to not realise the difference between your opinion and fact,....
[01:37] <dipnlik> LOL
[01:38] <Quarupted> Dude, I didnt give any opiinins, I told you 3 facts that are all proven, It is the most developed, it has the most features, and it has more protocols! Perios, how is that Opinion?
[01:38] <propagandhi> PROVE THEM THEN
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> um. im serious you lot. drop the topic
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> its not going anyware
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> and its only going to get nastyer
[01:38] <Quarupted> Easy google it, no other project has more people working on it, and have had as many verions, there fore it is the most developed
[01:39] <propagandhi> more versions means more patching mistakes in MY OPINION
[01:39] <Quarupted> It has 7 Protocols, no other IM client for linux has that many protocols,
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sigh*
[01:39] <propagandhi> and telling someone to 'google it' isnt proving much other than your lack of intelligence
[01:40] <Quarupted> And it has more features, than any other Linux IM client.. that one proves it self
[01:40] <Quarupted> Im proving it right now
[01:40] <Quarupted> Do ya see what I am typing, those are all Facts, get it?
[01:40] <dipnlik> Quarupted: that is all good, but "the best one" for each person is different. 7 protocols for me is dumb, I don't use 7. so bitlbee is better *for me*. if you like Gaim, stick to it, but don't say it is "the best", cause it is the best for you.
[01:41] <propagandhi> Quarupted: you proved to yourself perhaps, not to me, and i think not to anyone else
[01:41] <icewt> "Get the facts"
[01:41] <Quarupted> No, It's the best for anyone, because it does EVERYTHING any other IM client out there can, and MORE, so there for it is the BEST..
[01:41] <propagandhi> Quarupted: you cant seriously be that thick
[01:42] <dipnlik> Quarupted: can you please stop? It is the best for you and to a lot of ppl, but not to a lot other ppl
[01:42] <propagandhi> how many people have stated to you its an opinion now
[01:42] <propagandhi> Not Fact
[01:42] <Quarupted> I just quoted you facts, If you are to STUPID to understand that, fine thats your own problem, but you're the one still arguing in a chatroom over an IM client.. think about that one for a little bit.. I'm done with the topis..
[01:43] <propagandhi> Quarupted: the difference is I'm not fighting for any ONE client
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. ignore is set on Quarupted, propagandhi dipnlik icewt. someone tell me when tehy finish their 'disscusion'
[01:43] <propagandhi> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm sorry
[01:43] <Quarupted> Ignored.
[01:45] <dipnlik> looks like it stopped
[01:45] <dipnlik> (hope so)
[01:45] <propagandhi> am I ignored?
[01:45] <dipnlik> propagandhi: by Kamping_Kaiser, yes
[01:45] <propagandhi> oh ok i see
[01:47] <propagandhi> I shouldnt have let myself get so caught up in that conversation, but its a bit frustrating
[01:47] <dipnlik> propagandhi: haha, that happens, don't blame yourself
[01:48] <propagandhi> yeah its all good
[01:48] <aftertaf> you can have discussions about stuff like that.... but better taking it to offtopic when it gets hairy....
[01:48] <dipnlik> aftertaf: okay
[01:50] <propagandhi> aftertaf: I agree
[02:06] <naoki> Does anybody know which package contains std::cout?
[02:06] <Zambba> Does this work in Ubuntu? http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=0133
[02:06] <Zambba>    A-LINK U2P4,4-port USB 2.0 adapter (pci).
[02:07] <at1as> Am I the only one seeing repository issues with Breezy?
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> at1as: no
[02:08] <Mars> CAn I ask for URL, or Bot's request about aplication to win partition mounting?
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> ask the bot :)
[02:09] <cyne> Mars: man fstab
[02:09] <at1as> What gives with us.archive?
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> at1as: give it half an hour and try again
[02:09] <nalioth> at1as: it sucks, use another or no country code at all
[02:09] <Mars> Kamping_Kaiser,  ask him for me :)
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hte US mirrors are often crap
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[02:09] <endo602> can someone help me with my USB drive
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell me about mounting
[02:09] <at1as> hmmmm....  This only started happening within the past week or so.
[02:09] <endo602> i can get it to mount manuals
[02:09] <ep> I want konsole to use colors on file listings, should I set up an alias ls='ls --color=auto'  in the bash profile or is there some other preferred mehtod?
[02:09] <nalioth> !+msg the bot
[02:09] <ubotu> methinks msg the bot is please message the bot in private, he accepts private messages from registered nicknames(/msg nickserv help register). In order for everyone to get better help, do not clutter the channel with many !commands, please. /msg ubotu keyword, or especially if you do not know whether some factoid exists.
[02:10] <endo602> manually but not automatically
[02:10] <nalioth> Mars: there ya go, now you have the keys to ubotu
[02:10] <at1as> Basically since Breezy came out.  I suppose that's a "victim of it's own success" comment.
[02:10] <Mars> nalioth,  nice but i cant ask him when my Nickn is not rtegistered
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> ep try bashrc yeh
[02:11] <nalioth> Mars: make it so. there are other perks to having a registered nick besides conversation with ubotu 
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> endo602: have you upated your system?
[02:11] <endo602> updated?
[02:11] <endo602> yes
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i thought there was a fix in -updates
[02:11] <Mars> I wont register unless my stupid connection works properly
[02:12] <nalioth> Mars: why is that?
[02:12] <Mars> nalioth,  in fact no idea, i am trying to find nice shell acc, so i could use it properly
[02:13] <endo602> let me try updating again
[02:13] <endo602> can you walk me through that process?
[02:13] <nalioth> Mars: if you get dissed, you can always use the "ghost" command so you dont wait on your ghost to expire
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> endo602: you need to make sure the 'breezy-updates main' line is enabled in your sources list, tehn run update and dist-upgrade
[02:16] <endo602> do you mean to update to beta2?
[02:16] <Mars> What i have to write do download new QT?
[02:17] <endo602> pm?
[02:21] <_sara> hey
[02:22] <_sara> This is my first time here and only second on IRc so i really don't know how this works
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> _sara: you ask a question, somone may answer if they know how
[02:25] <_sara> ok,
[02:25] <_sara> I am having problems with koffice. I was able to use it before with a hoary 32 install, but now that I switch to kubuntu 64 I can't use krita
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i cant help with that. hopefully somone else will be able to 
[02:26] <_sara> any one has problems with kubuntu 64 and koffice?
[02:28] <nalioth> _sara: lots of people have problems with 64-bit linux
[02:29] <_sara> I know but I though that koffice would work fine. I know that it is not a koffice problem because i was able to open them before
[02:29] <_sara> I am wondering if something is broken in  the 64 koffice packages
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> _sara: it could be a koffice problem, because its probably different on 32+64 bit systems
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> it may be running chrooted or similar (oo.o runs with compatability libs)
[02:30] <_sara> yeah but I am usign the package they provided in the repos. I was just looking into using krita instead of the gimp
[02:30] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: one would think that koffice would have fully 64-bit pkgs
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> nalioth: i have no idea what stage kde is at :), so i wouldnt know
[02:31] <nalioth> _sara: if you'd like to come back in about 12 hours, i'd be glad to help you (if you havent found your answer before then)
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:31] <endo602> Kamping_Kaiser: can i pm?
[02:31] <_sara> nalioth that sounds good to me 
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> endo602: keep it in the channel.
[02:32] <endo602> ok
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> im not here always, so you may have to wait
[02:32] <endo602> that dist upgrade
[02:32] <nalioth> !msg
[02:32] <ubotu> please don't /msg people or start a personal message/ dcc chat without asking first in channel. People might be busy, and you have a better chance of an answer in the channel. Don't assume a particular user will be able to help you.
[02:32] <endo602> is that for beta2
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should just update your current packages
[02:33] <endo602> dist-upgrade?
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[02:33] <endo602> i did up update
[02:33] <endo602> ok ill try that
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> then do dist-upgrade after that
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb mars
[02:34] <Mars_^> :] 
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:34] <endo602> can you give me the exact command line
[02:34] <endo602> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> endo602: yes
[02:34] <endo602> ok
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:34] <endo602> everything is 0
[02:35] <endo602> meaning im all updated
[02:35] <endo602> and no fix
[02:35] <endo602> :(
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok. :S
[02:35] <endo602> i can get it to mount manually
[02:35] <endo602> but not auto
[02:35] <endo602> is there a way to configure the auto?
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> endo602: can you #flood or pastebin your sources list? im wondering what you have
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> night nalioth_zZz mate :)
[02:37] <nalioth_zZz> cheers, KK
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:40] <aftertaf> im so bored
[02:40] <dipnlik> aftertaf: www.bored.com ?
[02:40] <aftertaf> too bored for that
[02:40] <aftertaf> even!
[02:40] <dipnlik> haha
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> verylargepornsite.com ?
[02:40] <dipnlik> aftertaf: www.blorf.com
[02:41] <aftertaf> just sent off 30+ emails for job seeking....
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> ouch wtf aftertaf???
[02:41] <aftertaf> realised hafway through i was using the wrong model message
[02:41] <dipnlik> LOLOLOLOLOLOL
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao
[02:42] <aftertaf> got 2 replies.... one beingclever and asking if it wa a new form of spam
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hahaha. :(
[02:44] <aftertaf> "i am replying t your job offer on the ANPE website".... we haven't got any offers on that site..
[02:44] <aftertaf> oh yeah, crap, sorry :/
[02:44] <aftertaf> suxxx
[02:44] <aftertaf> i mean, how useless can you actually get?
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[02:46] <aftertaf> what does blorf do? apart from change images each time you clic?
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[02:47] <aftertaf> oh wonderful.... E is segfaulting.
[02:47] <kkathman> Good morning all :)
[02:47] <ep> Stupid question, Isn't .bashrc  supposed to be in ~?   I'm listing hidden files but not finding it.
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> ep ys it is - ~/.bashrc
[02:48] <nalioth_zZz> ep: you may not have one on a fresh install
[02:48] <kkathman> VERY early for you :)
[02:48] <kkathman> ahh there nalioth_zZz talking in his sleep again :)
[02:48] <dipnlik> aftertaf: blorf is only that :P
[02:48] <ep> ah guess I don't have one, the install is a couple weeks old
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> you should have one
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> you *always* have a bashrc
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> its like electricity :|
[02:49] <kkathman> lol
[02:49] <kkathman> make sure he's putting the period in front
[02:50] <nalioth_zZz> kkathman: i'm goin to sleep now, it's all yours  :)
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. 
[02:50] <nalioth_zZz> Kamping_Kaiser: not in a new install
[02:50] <kkathman> have a great rest nalioth_zZz  :)
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> wtf?
[02:50] <ep> cat ~/.bashrc --> cat: /home/mdr/.bashrc: No such file or directory
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> sif!
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntu is satan!!!
[02:50] <nalioth_zZz> KK if you dont make one, your user account uses the one in /etc/bashrc
[02:51] <kkathman> right, the master is in /etc/profile
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> nalioth_zZz: i thought it was part of skel.
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> so it had to be there
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have never had a system without :(
[02:51] <nalioth_zZz> nope
[02:51] <nalioth_zZz> night
[02:51] <kkathman> I havent either Kamping_Kaiser 
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> ngiht
[02:52] <kkathman> yah I got one :)
[02:52] <kkathman> hehe
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:53] <ep> Okay, I want to do some aliases.    Do i edit the one in /etc/profile/ or do i create one in ~?   How does that work?
[02:53] <nalioth_zZz> ep: a good rule of thumb, is to leave the system stuff alone
[02:53] <nalioth_zZz> ep: put it in ~/.bashrc
[02:54] <ep> just copy it?
[02:54] <nalioth_zZz> ep: however you are gonna get it in there
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> ep: cp /etc/skel/.bashrc ~/.bashrc
[02:55] <aftertaf> lol. he cat sleep, this dud ;)
[02:55] <aftertaf> *dude
[02:55] <kkathman> right I was going to suggest that they copy it to their /home/user
[02:55] <aftertaf> dunno what i'm being clever about, i cant type.
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> bugger. i think im going to be a 2 pint screemer tonight :(
[02:57] <kkathman> go to bed nalioth_zZz  :)
[02:57] <kkathman> lol Kamping_Kaiser  :)
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:59] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: you are thinking of pints, and I'm just getting that 1st cup of coffee :)
[02:59] <Tm_T> hmh, I just removed  "* has left the chat" texts from kopete :(
[02:59] <kkathman> Tm_T: on purpose?
[02:59] <Tm_T> well, have to put them back
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: i only know pints as an expression
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have no idea how big a pint is ;)
[02:59] <kkathman> ah ok 
[03:00] <Tm_T> kkathman: well, I tested some things
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: and i dont drink coffee ;)
[03:00] <Tm_T> kkathman: that's what you really should be afraid of
[03:01] <kkathman> Tm_T:  I know!!
[03:01] <waidis> hello i'm using kubuntu 5.10 but when i'm trying to play mid i have error message
[03:01] <waidis> maybe someone know
[03:01] <kkathman> Man it got cold here over night!! Saturday it was like in the 80s and yesterday only in the 40s!
[03:02] <waidis> how to configure
[03:02] <kkathman> mid?
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: 80s?
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> midi i asume
[03:02] <Tm_T> kkathman: snow here
[03:02] <kkathman> 80s (F)
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> so about 20deg?
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> 100F is about 30C iirc
[03:03] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: I got a sunburn Saturday....wearing a sweatshirt yesterday :)
[03:03] <Zambba> Kubuntu is very nice-looking!
[03:03] <kkathman> and its about 4C today right now
[03:03] <aftertaf> kkathman:  where u at on our little globy thing?
[03:03] <aftertaf> Zambba:  :D
[03:03] <kkathman> aftertaf: Texas
[03:03] <aftertaf> oki
[03:03] <kkathman> aftertaf: Dallas area
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: come to South Aust, and feel real heat:P
[03:04] <waidis> midi
[03:04] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: well it was a mild summer this year, only went over 100 12 times
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: lol. sounds like SA. heatwave, doesnt go bellow 35 for 10 days in a row
[03:05] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: yah, thats alot like Arizona in the US
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> 35 ~100,110 in yhour measure
[03:05] <kkathman> right
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb. first beer went strait through
[03:06] <kkathman> but the very idea that I got a sunburn on Saturday and had to turn on the heat last night makes me shake my head :)
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[03:08] <kkathman> Any newbies out there, bookmark this page...its very helpful:  http://pizza.unbsj.ca/content/help/tutorials/crash.html
[03:09] <kkathman> Tm_T: I found out how to reset Konqeror to the way it was in hoary :)
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1 down. 7 to go
[03:09] <Tm_T> kkathman: it's in faq ;)
[03:09] <Tm_T> kkathman: and it's been ok here all the time :p
[03:11] <aftertaf> dont care, good link.
[03:11] <Zambba> Does anyone has a good sources.list for Kubuntu breezy?
[03:11] <_sara> what do you mean by a good source list
[03:11] <endo602> where is the source.list?
[03:11] <Zambba> well I don't know :D
[03:12] <kkathman> Tm_T: then you've been too quiet around here cuz we only get that question about once an hour
[03:12] <waidis> whats this midi Not enabled in config
[03:12] <Zambba> I have main, restictricted, universe, multiverse
[03:12] <kkathman> actually I figured it out, but then found the faq :)
[03:12] <kkathman> endo602: its in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:13] <Zambba> Can I get w32codecs from some repository? Do I need it?
[03:13] <endo602> kkathman
[03:13] <endo602> what up dooed
[03:13] <kkathman> hey there endo602  :)
[03:13] <endo602> usb is working
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> endo602: my sources list is at http://users.on.net/~goetz/sources.list.uber.ubuntu
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> try that on for size ;p
[03:14] <endo602> just not automounting
[03:14] <kkathman> lol
[03:14] <endo602> ok
[03:14] <_sara> you need the codecs for wm files
[03:14] <kkathman> looks like Kamping_Kaiser has been truly in the backwoods camping and found his site :)
[03:14] <_sara> I have a link to the codecs just give me a second
[03:14] <endo602> i got breezy
[03:14] <endo602> though
[03:15] <__2> someone know how to install vmware under 5.10 ?
[03:15] <__2> unable to find kernel source pacakge
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: hm.?
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: the beers starting to kick in :D things are not obvious any more
[03:16] <endo602> Kamping_Kaiser: pasting in flood now
[03:16] <kkathman> __2: someone reported Saturday evening that vmware was having some issues in breezy I think I remember
[03:16] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: lol
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> endo602: thats something you need to note as well
[03:17] <_sara> for the codecs you need breezy extras more info here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=70815
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> im getting pissed, ask kkathman for help :)
[03:17] <kkathman> dont get pissed, have another brew :)
[03:17] <_sara> you must have a 32 bit install 
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:18] <kkathman> ahhh no wonder
[03:18] <kkathman> its that 3rd and 4th that move you from pissed to mellow
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. agreed
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> then 5/6 back into arsehole mode ;)
[03:18] <kkathman> ROFL
[03:19] <endo602> yeah
[03:19] <endo602> have a sierra nevada
[03:19] <endo602> i had 7 last night
[03:19] <endo602> kkathman is there any more repositories i should add to my breezy 5.10?
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> endo602: looks fine to me
[03:19] <kkathman> endo602: no not at this time..just the ones that were suggested for install
[03:19] <endo602> yeah i did that
[03:19] <kkathman> backports arent ready yet
[03:19] <endo602> well all i need to do is configure my automount
[03:19] <kkathman> and other things, well you'll just be taking chances at this point
[03:20] <_sara> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ breezy-extras-staging main restricted universe multiverse
[03:20] <kkathman> _sara: please dont suggest backports at this time, thanks
[03:21] <_sara> no they are not backport they are breezy extras 
[03:22] <_sara> As far as I know they are different. You can acces thing like the codecs and java. 
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> _sara: java is in multiverse in breezy
[03:23] <kkathman> extras are for special situations only
[03:23] <_sara> Breezy-extras "restricted" packages will be made to Gentoo-style (fetch from internet and extract from there), to allow us to distribute "restricted" software.
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> endo602: "Install the kdebase updates from breezy-updates." i think was the fix to your problem i had seen
[03:24] <_sara> ok but here is jdong ( backports administrator) explanation of extras 
[03:24] <kkathman> _sara chek my Pm to  you and you can extrapolate why we dont advise that
[03:25] <_sara> ok
[03:28] <Orava> Hello
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Orava :)
[03:29] <Tm_T> hoi sie, otsta hyv kpy
[03:29] <Tm_T> -t
[03:29] <Zambba> kpy
[03:29] <Tm_T> ni
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> shvooom
[03:38] <Orava> hih, kvyt on hyvi :D
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> whaoa wtf?
[03:38] <reagleBRKLN> is there a kplayer for breezy?
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info kplayer
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> the bot doesnt know about one
[03:41] <reagleBRKLN> well, can't even install an mplayer...
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> whys that?
[03:41] <reagleBRKLN> mplayer-586: Depends: libjack0.80.0-0
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have universe and multiverse?
[03:41] <reagleBRKLN> which wants to remove kvirc 
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> should only need univferse fwiw
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. that i dont know about
[03:42] <reagleBRKLN> (3.2 from deb)
[03:42] <Orava> i got my kubuntu working today :))
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> yay Orava :)
[03:43] <Orava> had a few problems with my laptop... :D
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> "apropriate time? the first i knew about it was when a workmanarived at my door, he told me he came to demolisht the house " H2G2 :)
[03:46] <teprrr> oh, hi, can anyone point me where I can change the sessions found from kdm?
[03:46] <Stefano> hey i need help
[03:49] <kkathman> teprrr: change the sessions?
[03:52] <teprrr> kkathman, yup. I'd like to add kubuntu-desktop's kde there
[03:52] <teprrr> kkathman, or if it overrides my own kde installation, then add it back
[03:53] <kkathman> teprrr: I guess I dont exactly understand...you installed breezy ?
[03:53] <teprrr> kkathman, yes I have breezy here
[03:53] <teprrr> and my hown brew kde from svn
[03:53] <teprrr> but I'd like to get my hands on both svn and kubuntu's 3.5b2
[03:54] <kkathman> teprrr: oh, ok...well the beta2 is very unstable and we dont recommend it
[03:54] <kkathman> but if you want to install kubuntu, simply go to a konsole and so a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:54] <teprrr> uh, well, I have svn checkout older than b2, so I think it's more stable :P
[03:54] <teprrr> yes, it's going on already there
[03:55] <kkathman> teprrr: but Im not at all sure what it will override
[03:55] <teprrr> I've had kubuntu for some time with my own kde installation.. but now I want to change to kubuntu's kde3.5 so I could concentrate on kde4 sometime soon
[03:55] <kkathman> well ok..have at it :)
[03:55] <kkathman> lol
[03:56] <kkathman> Im not down at the internals level that deeply, maybe Tm_T  can help you
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb
[04:02] <teprrr> oh, I think I found something :)
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[04:05] <seezer_> hi
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi :)
[04:07] <reagleBRKLN> want to build kplayer from src, but can't
[04:07] <reagleBRKLN> libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: libxrender-dev but it is not going to be installed; libxrender-dev: Depends: libxrender1 (= 1:0.9.0-1) but 1:0.9.0-2
[04:08] <reagleBRKLN> this is vanilla kubuntu breezy, why can't i install the libs?
[04:08] <reagleBRKLN> oops, not true
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can.
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> my bad :|
[04:08] <reagleBRKLN> 1:0.9.0-2 isn't in breezy
[04:09] <reagleBRKLN> not sure where it's from
[04:09] <reagleBRKLN> *** 1:0.9.0-2 0
[04:09] <reagleBRKLN>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[04:09] <reagleBRKLN>      1:0.9.0-1 0
[04:09] <reagleBRKLN>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
[04:09] <reagleBRKLN> how to install the breezy one over it -- removing it takes all of X out
[04:09] <bdmp_> Help! I tried to install skype and it was asking for a dependency,  libqt3c102-mt, but in synaptic it was already installed so I thought it was broken so I deleted it. Then I realized that it was deleting all of KDE so I shut the computer down and after a restart in command line did apt-get install kde. At first I thought everything after I restarted the comp again, but then I realized that koquor is gone and my trash icon. So then in synapti
[04:09] <bdmp_> c I tried to install all the kde stuff I could, but it didn't do anything. It said I was gonna download hundreds of megabytes and then it flashed "finished" in a couple seconds. So after that I tried to install gnome to work these problems out through with apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, but that didn't work too. With both the KDE and gnome installs I got marillat repo errors, but I am not sure if that is causing some of my problems. Sorry fo
[04:09] <bdmp_> r the long post. Any suggestions?
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> pinning i suppose. dont ask me though :S
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> bdmp_ get the one thats staticaly compiled, not the one you go
[04:11] <hussam> how do I change the ntpdate to something other than ntp.ubuntulinux.org ?
[04:11] <bdmp_> I don't understand
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> hussam: grep -R ntp.ubuntulinux.org /etc/
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> and whichever file its in, i forget exactly
[04:13] <seezer> /etc/default/ntpdate
[04:13] <seezer> iirc
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds right
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hussam: may the force be with you
[04:14] <hussam> yes thank you . I found it . it is  /etc/default/ntpdate
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> wd seezer
[04:14] <hussam> but ntp.ubuntulinux.org , where can I find other servers?
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> hussam: pool.ntp.org
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> or ntp.org to brows
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Stefano
[04:16] <Stefano> hi
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[04:16] <kaveh> when i set the time to be updated automatically, it reset my timezone to UTC, and since i also have windows installed, my system time is actually EDT
[04:17] <kaveh> I tried setting my timezone through the Adjust Date & Time interface, but it would never stick
[04:17] <kaveh> i actually re-installed kubuntu b/c it was frustrating the heck out of me
[04:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> kaveh_: sory, i cant help
[04:18] <seezer> kaveh_: is it set correctly in /etc/timezone?
[04:18] <kaveh_> yeah it was
[04:18] <kaveh_> i tried all the usually linux stuff
[04:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> date :)
[04:18] <kaveh_> i tried that as well
[04:18] <kaveh_> strange
[04:19] <hussam> what's the ntp server that windows xp updated to. I rememeber it worked back when I used windows
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> ntp.ms.com
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc
[04:20] <kaveh_> the windows xp ntp protocol is flawed though, thats why their server is one of the only ones that will work
[04:20] <kaveh_> that was another headache
[04:20] <seezer> Kamping_Kaiser:  isn't it ms'weirdownpatenteddatesyncprotocoll.ms.com?
[04:20] <seezer> just a guess
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:20] <kaveh_> i used dimension4 on xp
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> seezer: must be an alias what i saw :D
[04:20] <seezer> :)
[04:21] <hussam> seezer: eventually MS would patent "time" :)
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[04:21] <seezer> hussam: did you check it before you bought your watch? *g*
[04:22] <hussam> seezer: yeah now I have to pay Bill $100 each time I check the time
[04:23] <seezer> hussam: ;)
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hussam: lol
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> lucky you dot have the iWatch, it looks funky as, but your a trendy with a malfunctioning device ;)
[04:24] <seezer> but you can browse iTunes for only 10 bucks!
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> and download tunes onto your wach, which has no speakers ;D
[04:26] <seezer> but hey, it's cool and trendy!
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure :)
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> problem is the rippofs - the iTime and the iSuck
[04:26] <seezer> oh. damn fault.. its 'mobile'.. 
[04:26] <mrmarcel> sry
[04:26] <seezer> Kamping_Kaiser: :)
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:28] <endo602> still cant find a fix online for this
[04:28] <endo602> i guess im assed out until the next update
[04:29] <seezer> endo602: what's your problem?
[04:29] <endo602> USB automounting
[04:30] <endo602> last night wotnarg helped me mount it manually
[04:30] <endo602> so it shows up in /mnt/sda1
[04:30] <endo602> but i would like it to automount
[04:30] <kkathman> Hey seezer :)
[04:30] <seezer> kkathman: hey :)
[04:30] <endo602> so i dont have to mount /mnt/sda1
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol golanx
[04:30] <seezer> endo602: your hald and dbus running?
[04:30] <endo602> ?
[04:31] <endo602> sorry im newbish
[04:31] <kkathman> endo602: if you got it manually mounted, why cant you just add it to your fstab?
[04:31] <seezer> endo602: ps ax | egrep 'hald|dbus' shows you something?
[04:32] <seezer> (no need for flooding the channel :) )
[04:32] <endo602> yeah it does
[04:32] <endo602> kkarthman
[04:33] <endo602> i idont know why i cant either
[04:33] <kkathman> just add it
[04:33] <endo602> but wotnarg probably tried taht with me last night
[04:33] <endo602> it is added
[04:33] <endo602> still not working
[04:34] <seezer> endo602: could be problematic anyway. if you plug in you $second_storage aka digicam or somethign
[04:34] <endo602> aha
[04:34] <seezer> it will not automount - you can do fstab -a. then it's mounted
[04:34] <kkathman> right
[04:34] <kkathman> but it has to be there :)
[04:34] <endo602> it is there
[04:34] <seezer> endo602: did you check hald and dbus already?
[04:34] <kkathman> or do a sudo mount -a && mount
[04:34] <endo602> yes
[04:34] <endo602> something came up
[04:35] <seezer> err.. mount -a .. fstab -a just made it through my bogus filter
[04:35] <endo602> what should i do?
[04:36] <seezer> scroll up a bit
[04:36] <kkathman> seezer I dont know why, if he can mount manually, he cant just put that in the fstab
[04:36] <kkathman> hey hussam :)
[04:36] <endo602> two ppl talking to me at once is confusing
[04:36] <kkathman> Ok I'll shut up
[04:36] <endo602> thanks
[04:36] <seezer> me too :)
[04:36] <hussam> kkathman: hi
[04:36] <endo602> no
[04:36] <endo602> please dont
[04:36] <kkathman> lol seezer ... its ok he doesnt do what I say anyway :)
[04:37] <seezer> kkathman: same on my tips ;)
[04:37] <kkathman> hussam whats up today?
[04:37] <endo602> kkathman:  i would but i dont understand
[04:37] <endo602> i was confused
[04:37] <hussam> kkathman: I switched to pppoe
[04:37] <endo602> im trying here
[04:37] <seezer> endo602: just type in a terminal: ps ax | egrep 'hald|dbus'
[04:37] <endo602> i did
[04:37] <kkathman> endo602: dang it, you need to research...use Google or something geez
[04:37] <endo602> and i got something
[04:37] <endo602> i did
[04:37] <kkathman> anyway sorry
[04:37] <endo602> i used goodle
[04:37] <hussam> kkathman: but I have to run pppoeconf each time I reboot.
[04:37] <endo602> everyone there said to update
[04:37] <teprrr> hmm, kcmshell display doesn't work in kde atm?
[04:38] <endo602> but i did update
[04:38] <kkathman> hussam: why?
[04:38] <endo602> and nothing worked
[04:38] <hussam> kkathman: it says it adds a script to dial it at boot but it doesn't 
[04:38] <endo602> so i am back to square one
[04:38] <kkathman> hussam: odd.
[04:39] <endo602> anways seezer i put in that command and it did return me a list
[04:39] <kkathman> hussam: pppoeconf should just write out a config file I'd think
[04:39] <seezer> endo602: containing hald-addon-storage ?
[04:39] <Kibou> hussam, I had to rearrange some stuff in /etc/network/interfaces to get it work
[04:39] <endo602> yes
[04:39] <endo602> seezer: yes
[04:40] <alakhia> hi guys, I need help with an app that doesn't work after I upgraded to Breezy
[04:40] <kkathman> alakhia: which app
[04:40] <alakhia> kkathman: it's tarantella, a proprietry app
[04:40] <endo602> seezer: does that mean anything?
[04:40] <alakhia> kkathman: i used to be able to run it just fine before Breezy
[04:40] <kkathman> ooooo proprietary eh??  
[04:41] <alakhia> kkathman: now, I get locale warnings and my keyboard input doesn't work
[04:41] <hussam> Kibou: do you know how to get it to dial the connection at boot?
[04:41] <kkathman> alakhia: an error messages?
[04:41] <alakhia> kkathman: several
[04:41] <alakhia> kkathman: the app gui shows up but I can't type anything
[04:41] <alakhia> kkathman: mouse works, though
[04:42] <alakhia> kkathman: Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C
[04:42] <alakhia> kkathman: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name:  osfActivate
[04:42] <kkathman> alakhia: Try reading this and see if it helps:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75995.html
[04:43] <seezer> endo602: grep storage_automount /etc/hal/hald.conf
[04:43] <kkathman> that might help the locale issue at least
[04:43] <seezer> endo602: is this set to true?
[04:43] <alakhia> kkathman: great, I'll check it out and let you know. Thanks a bunch.
[04:43] <kkathman> Its a start alakhia  :)
[04:44] <endo602> seezer: says no such file or directory
[04:44] <seezer> hm. didn't have one either, but it worked here. copy and paste it from http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/401927
[04:45] <seezer> don't know if it helps, but i think hald should have a config file..
[04:45] <hussam> Kibou: do you have pppoe now?
[04:45] <seezer> (sudo vim /etc/hald/hald.conf and paste)
[04:46] <endo602> seezer:  says its a new file
[04:46] <kkathman> alakhia: try this on your translation table syntax error:  http://www.hummingbird.com/support/nc/exceed/xdkr004.html?cks=y
[04:46] <endo602> seezer:  alot of blue ~
[04:47] <seezer> endo602: it is. paste the config and save.
[04:47] <seezer> endo602: save is esc :wq
[04:47] <endo602> seezer: fromt he pastebin?'
[04:47] <seezer> right
[04:48] <endo602> seezer: ok
[04:48] <StR> Hi all!
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> seezer: you should proably recomened sudo nano, not sudo vim :|
[04:48] <seezer> Kamping_Kaiser: hmm.. :)
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:49] <Zeep_> I have a problem: How ist the package that does contain the gcc etc.? -base - Something, if I remember correctly. Does anybody know?
[04:49] <Zeep_> called is missing ;-)
[04:49] <seezer> endo602: check if you pasted correctly. (first line in special)
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> Zeepbuld essential?
[04:49] <endo602> E212: Can't open file for writing
[04:50] <endo602> seezer: in special?
[04:50] <seezer> endo602: error 123: you didn't follow your teachers hints
[04:50] <endo602> im trying here
[04:50] <Zeep_> Kamping_Kaiser: Yep, I that's is - thank you very much
[04:50] <seezer> endo602: did you type 'sudo'?
[04:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:50] <endo602> first line is special?
[04:50] <endo602> yes
[04:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> yay. im drunk and im still helpfull
[04:51] <endo602> seezer: yes
[04:51] <Zeep_> Kamping_Kaiser: lol ;-)
[04:51] <seezer> endo602: no. just check if your newly created file contains everything you wanted to paste
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;D
[04:52] <seezer> if it does and you saved it and you think you could restart hald - do it :)
[04:52] <endo602> ok
[04:54] <endo602> ok
[04:55] <seezer> may i ask how you did the restart?
[04:55] <endo602> i didnt restart yet
[04:56] <endo602> still trying to get out of this vim
[04:56] <seezer> *g*
[04:56] <endo602> its not letting me exit
[04:56] <seezer> hit esc - then :wq
[04:56] <alakhia> kkathman: the hummingbird web page you sent is specific to win NT
[04:56] <endo602> i did
[04:56] <endo602> and its not letting me exit
[04:56] <seezer> but?
[04:56] <seezer> error?
[04:57] <endo602> yes
[04:57] <endo602> E212
[04:57] <endo602> again
[04:57] <dipnlik> endo602: esc, then :q!
[04:57] <endo602> then says hit enter or type command to continue
[04:57] <seezer> and you typed 'sudo vim ..'?
[04:57] <endo602> yes
[04:57] <seezer> ah. you're in the helpfile?
[04:57] <endo602> ?
[04:57] <seezer> then follow dipnlik 
[04:57] <endo602> ok
[04:58] <endo602> ok im out
[04:58] <seezer> back in console? try 'cat /etc/hald/hald.conf'
[04:58] <endo602> ok
[04:58] <endo602> one sec
[04:58] <seezer> you see your pasting? if yes - restart hald
[04:58] <endo602> no pasting
[04:59] <endo602> nothing is there
[04:59] <endo602> no such file or directory
[04:59] <seezer> :)
[04:59] <kkathman> alakhia: ohh sorry
[04:59] <endo602> ill try that whole thing once more
[04:59] <kkathman> I was just hitting the Google pages to find anything...there are alot of references to that
[04:59] <seezer> ok. back to start. type 'sudo nano /etc/hald/hald.conf'
[05:00] <seezer> paste it here and save
[05:00] <seezer> better editor for the beginner
[05:00] <seezer> Kamping_Kaiser: damn you.
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:00] <endo602> ok
[05:00] <endo602> cool
[05:01] <kkathman> there ya go!!
[05:01] <alakhia> kkathman: also, I don't have problem with any other app. Perl works fine.
[05:01] <alakhia> kkathman: uninstalling office and reinstalling sounds like a waste
[05:01] <endo602> seezer: i just want to make sure ... that first (yellow) line in pastebin shoud not be copied?
[05:02] <alakhia> kkathman: err, openoffice
[05:02] <kkathman> alakhia: I might suggest then you move your question to #ubuntu, as they probably can give you some clues on the internals of breezy and what might have changed in that area.
[05:02] <kkathman> alakhia: sounds like a deep internal thing
[05:02] <seezer> endo602: i think it should be copied
[05:02] <endo602> ok
[05:02] <endo602> will do
[05:02] <alakhia> kkathman: great, thanks for your help
[05:02] <kkathman> sorry I couldnt help more
[05:03] <alakhia> kkathman: no problem :)
[05:03] <endo602> seezer: [ Error writing /etc/hald/hald.conf: No such file or directory ] v
[05:03] <endo602> that is what i got
[05:04] <seezer> Kamping_Kaiser: hey. come here! your case now.
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> seezer: what?
[05:05] <seezer> he can't save with nano
[05:05] <endo602> tried to writeout
[05:05] <seezer> endo602: do you have /etc/hald?
[05:05] <endo602> let me check
[05:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ctrl+O  Ctrl+X
[05:06] <endo602> i got hal not hald
[05:06] <endo602> Kamping_Kaiser: i did that
[05:06] <endo602> i can read the bottom of the screen :)
[05:06] <kkathman> seezer just a quick question, did they try to restart dbus:  sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> endo602: what error do you get?
[05:06] <kkathman> cuz that seems to create some issues in Breezy
[05:06] <seezer> endo602: sorry. it's /etc/hal/hald.conf.. you did everything right..
[05:06] <endo602> thank you
[05:06] <endo602> ill try that now
[05:07] <endo602> the thing is 
[05:07] <endo602> i peared in the the hal folder
[05:07] <endo602> and there isnt a hald subdir
[05:07] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: He cant handle more than one person...I shut up on that a long time ago hehe
[05:07] <seezer> kkathman: don't know. didn't try it myself.. :)
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol kkathman
[05:08] <endo602> kkathman: and i thank you for that
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: onto beer 4  :D
[05:08] <endo602> kkathman: between my wife and two kids i really dont have that much brain power to focus
[05:08] <kkathman> seezer for your info: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.kubuntu
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol endo602
[05:08] <endo602> seezer: i dont got the hald subdir
[05:08] <kkathman> seezer that specifically addresses the automount issue I think
[05:09] <endo602> but hey i am trying here
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: time?
[05:09] <seezer> kkathman: gonna read, thx
[05:09] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: only 10am :)
[05:09] <endo602> seezer: the only subdir is /hal/fdi
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol kkathman
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> its 20 to one here
[05:10] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: however its happy hour somewhere in the world :)
[05:10] <seezer> endo602: sorry. i told you wrong. its /etc/hal/hald.conf not /etc/hald/hald.conf
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: its happy our in myu bedroom
[05:10] <endo602> i know
[05:10] <seezer> endo602: no subdir needed
[05:10] <endo602> thanks man
[05:10] <endo602> im on it now
[05:10] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: hey your personal life behind doors is your own my friend :)
[05:11] <kkathman> ;p;
[05:11] <kkathman> lol
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> :'(
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> i like sharing :P
[05:11] <kkathman> ahh well...here's to you :)
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lool. woot. yay
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[05:12] <endo602> done man
[05:12] <endo602> seezer: i did that
[05:12] <endo602> now should i restart?
[05:13] <seezer> endo602: try. can't say if it helps. hald needs to be running with those settings to recognize the usbstick. but here it did without config.
[05:13] <amarock> kubuntu breezy takes longer to boot up & shut down than hoary...aint that right?
[05:13] <Stefano> right
[05:13] <endo602> ok
[05:13] <endo602> ill try it out
[05:13] <endo602> bbs
[05:14] <amarock> Stefano: why is that so? shouldnt it be faster?
[05:14] <Stefano> i really dont know ;) 
[05:14] <Stefano> but
[05:14] <Stefano> i hate this graphical bootup screen
[05:14] <amarock> Stefano: hey me too..i guess it slows down bootup a bit......
[05:14] <Stefano> crispy poor graphics
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> amarock: not realy
[05:15] <kkathman> amarock: I havent really noticed that..but It might by a little I guess
[05:15] <seezer> kkathman: thanks. that's what i searched for the last days. i like the fact that my system knows about the new hardware - but the popups just.. i don't try to build a word now..
[05:15] <Stefano> it takes up to one minute more to boot up than hoary here
[05:15] <kkathman> np seezer glad to help any way I can
[05:15] <BlankC> I got rid of the bootsplash. Couldn't stand it.
[05:15] <Stefano> how do i do that?
[05:16] <seezer> kkathman: even by shutting your mouth *g*
[05:16] <amarock> when i shut down kubutu breezy i dont see any text roll up the screen...just a blank screen!!
[05:16] <kkathman> seezer: yeah funny how that works sometimes I guess...my wife seems to think it works also
[05:16] <seezer> :P
[05:16] <Stefano> thats because you see another tty amarock
[05:16] <kkathman> amarock: hmm thats odd...I dont experience that
[05:16] <Stefano> try alt+left a few times
[05:16] <Stefano> :)
[05:17] <amarock> how do i safely disable bootsplash?
[05:17] <Stefano> i'd like to know that too
[05:17] <endo602> ummm
[05:18] <amarock> and often i land up in the console instead of kde!! weird!! im thinking of doing a fresh install of kubuntu breezy, or maybe hoary.....
[05:18] <Kibou> remove 'splash' from the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:18] <endo602> seezer: hmmm
[05:18] <BlankC> safely? Dunno. I edited /boot/grub/menu.lst and took out the word spash from my default kernel. Then grub-install /dev/hda
[05:18] <Stefano> kk
[05:18] <seezer> endo602: didn't work?
[05:18] <amarock> why the need to reinstall grub?
[05:18] <Kibou> no need
[05:18] <endo602> seezer: i think it did
[05:18] <endo602> one sec
[05:19] <BlankC> dunno why. Thats just what I did.
[05:19] <endo602> yeah it did
[05:19] <endo602> still pops up an error in konq for media:/sda1 but it automount to my link i set up
[05:19] <endo602> not to see if i can get it working
[05:20] <endo602> in the applet
[05:20] <amarock> anyone here who installed kubuntu-desktop over ubuntu? 
[05:20] <seezer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IvmanConfigAction.xml see this about that
[05:20] <seezer> endo602
[05:20] <kkathman> amarock: thats what I always do
[05:20] <endo602> yeah
[05:20] <endo602> ill check that out
[05:20] <kkathman> amarock: if you have the space, its the preferred method actually
[05:21] <kkathman> I did that back on hoary in fact...made my dist-upgrade go flawlessly
[05:21] <amarock> it was a BIG mistake....i thought i'll like gnome......i hated it with a passion!!
[05:21] <kkathman> amarock: lol...well dont use it...just keep it for backup purposes
[05:21] <kkathman> I never use Gnome
[05:21] <amarock> then i began removing everything gnomish...and i guess messed up my system a bit......
[05:22] <kkathman> but its there if something ever craps out :)
[05:23] <amarock> in gnome u cant extract file anywhere u want, nor Edit file as root, nor preview archives within ur browser..........
[05:23] <kkathman> amarock: you can edit a file as root very easily
[05:23] <kkathman> amarock: at konsole.... sudo gedit <filename>
[05:23] <amarock> gnome is extremely stunted & incapable window manager......but there are certain gnome apps i cant do without like gaim etc.
[05:24] <amarock> kkathman: i know that buddy....but for newbies a gui way is nice:)
[05:24] <kkathman> amarock:  you could try kopete, but its kinda buggy
[05:24] <kkathman> gedit is gui, just gnome gui :)  but I get yer drift
[05:24] <amarock> kkathman: kopete doesnt have yahoo chatrooms........thats why gaim or me.
[05:24] <kkathman> yah true
[05:25] <kkathman> kopete is very buggy too...thats why I use gaim
[05:25] <amarock> anyone here liked kruta..i think its nice..more intuitive & easy to use than gimp i guess.........
[05:25] <amarock> krita i mean
[05:26] <kkathman> yah I like krita.. its developing very nicely :)
[05:26] <kkathman> I prefer Koffice in general over OO2
[05:27] <amarock> kkathman: i hear koffice has certain unique fetaures like editing pdfs...??
[05:27] <kkathman> amarock: well I dunno about that. PDFs arent supposed to ever be editable I thought..but who knows...havent tried it
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: supposed to only be editable by adombe
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> *adobe
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc
[05:28] <amarock> hehe....hows koffice's compatibility with ms docs?
[05:29] <kkathman> about as good as OO2's 
[05:29] <kkathman> yanno, you still have that font issue
[05:29] <kkathman> but both handle it reasonably well
[05:29] <amarock> anyone knows diff between linear & non-linear video editor? anyone uses kino here?
[05:30] <amarock> anyone uses opera here? what package did u use?
[05:31] <Pupeno> Why are external HDs mounted read-only ?
[05:32] <kkathman> Pupeno: you can make them read-write
[05:32] <endo602> seezer: ok man i did tha
[05:32] <Pupeno> kkathman: how ?
[05:32] <seezer> Pupeno: is it mounted readonly or does it hold ntfs filesystem?
[05:32] <kkathman> there ya go :)
[05:32] <Pupeno> seezer: it is reiserfs.
[05:32] <kkathman> ohhhhhhhhhhhh
[05:32] <endo602> seezer: still popping up some error
[05:32] <BlankC> amarock: linear is like going tape to tape in an a/b roll situation. Non linear you can go back and do inserts at any point.
[05:32] <kkathman> hmmm I dunno about reiser
[05:32] <Pupeno> It is mounted read-only by the auto-mounter or something like that.
[05:33] <seezer> Pupeno: mount -o remount,rw
[05:33] <amarock> BlankC: i see....do u use any video editor?
[05:33] <kkathman> I use Samba for all my stuff, Pupeno , and I just set up samba.conf to allow read-write on certain things
[05:33] <kkathman> but I dont know about reiserfs sorry
[05:33] <Pupeno> kkathman: Samba ? what does it have to do here ?
[05:34] <seezer> endo602: 'some error' is quite good encryption ;)
[05:34] <Pupeno> kkathman: I don't think the fs makes any difference either.
[05:34] <kkathman> fo you nothing obviously
[05:34] <BlankC> amarock: I have tried some of the linux ones but did not decide to do real work with them. 
[05:34] <Pupeno> seezer: I could mount it by hand then, and even then, it'll be just like now, only writeable by root. I want to be able to write it with my user.
[05:34] <sproingie> lotus notes has the world's most oblique error dialog: "an error occurred while attempting to display a message"
[05:35] <BlankC> I am interested in cinelerra2 but havent found a breezy package for it yet.
[05:35] <seezer> Pupeno: this has nothing to do with mount. permissions are done in the filesystem. man chmod, man chown, man chgrp
[05:36] <seezer> or is it mounted with some weird umask|uid|gid
[05:36] <Pupeno> seezer: err, no, all the files already belong to me, but the filesystem is mounted for only root to use it.
[05:36] <endo602> ok i got it to work
[05:36] <endo602> :)
[05:36] <Pupeno> It is mounted like this: /dev/sda1 on /media/BackUp type reiserfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[05:36] <endo602> seezer: it doesnt report the error
[05:36] <Pupeno> I think it is missing the 'user' parameter.
[05:36] <endo602> and it mounts properly
[05:36] <endo602> thanks you so much dood
[05:37] <seezer> Pupeno: 'user' just allows a user to mound manually
[05:37] <seezer> endo602: no problem
[05:37] <endo602> a blessing to you and your family seezer
[05:37] <Pupeno> seezer: ok.
[05:37] <seezer> endo602: lol
[05:37] <seezer> endo602: hey, whe're fine ;)
[05:37] <amarock> BlankC: can u tell me any video editor which lets me cut/edit mpeg & avi files?
[05:38] <seezer> Pupeno: do a ls -l /your/mountpoint and see if the user is a name or a number
[05:38] <seezer> Pupeno: did you use it with this installation before?
[05:38] <BlankC> amarock: in linux windows or mac?
[05:38] <Pupeno> I am re-chowing everything just in case
[05:38] <seezer> Pupeno: just look before
[05:39] <sproingie> mpeg is doable.  avi is just a metaformat
[05:39] <seezer> could be that your user had another uid on your other system
[05:40] <seezer> and the file gets the id - not the name. so if you're old system had uid 1000 for user foobar and you new has uid 1001 you no rights
[05:40] <amarock> BlankC: in linux, or kubuntu:)
[05:40] <seezer> +have
[05:40] <amarock> what video player do u all use? kaff based on gstreamer?
[05:40] <Pupeno> BTW, mounting two times the same filesystem is weird:
[05:40] <Pupeno> /dev/sda1 on /media/BackUp type reiserfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[05:40] <Pupeno> /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type reiserfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[05:42] <BlankC> amarock: I have had good luck in linux using mainactor before. I am not sure if it works in (k)ubuntu. I was using SuSE at the time.
[05:42] <amarock> BlankC: okie
[05:43] <seezer> Pupeno: ;)
[05:43] <BlankC> amarock: It is commercial software with a linux demo.
[05:43] <seezer> ok, i'm out for some warcraft3 games.. later
[05:43] <kkathman> cya seezer take care
[05:44] <amarock> BlankC: yes i once saw it in suse 9.3 pro..but didn't use it though.....
[05:44] <amarock> is it true that vlc player plays win formats out of the box, without need for win32 codecs?
[05:54] <amarock> can kopete log all messages as gaim?
[05:55] <kkathman> log?
[05:55] <Tm_T> amarock: yes
[05:55] <Tm_T> amarock: and you can use history plugin to access chat history
[05:56] <amarock> Tm_T: wow! how? plz tell me how to set it up.kopete is open
[05:56] <kkathman> ya Tm_T I didnt see that either
[05:56] <kkathman> Id  also like to know why Kopete duplicates entries in my Buddy LIst too
[05:57] <Tm_T> kkathman: your serverside contact list is somehow duplicated with kopetes contact list
[05:57] <kkathman> yaah it shouldnt do that huh?
[05:58] <kkathman> gaim doesnt
[05:58] <Tm_T> amarock: ~/.kde/share/kopete/ is good place to start seeking logs
[05:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: gaim odes too some times
[05:58] <kkathman> never seen it done in Gaim tho
[05:58] <Tm_T> kkathman: but, it mostly happens when you do something to your contact list what can't be saved to server
[05:59] <Tm_T> kkathman: actually I had such problems with gaim alot
[06:00] <amarock> gaim has never given me any probs:)
[06:00] <Tm_T> yes, as long as it's only client your're using
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. dont start ;)
[06:01] <amarock> whr do i get win32 codecs from.......plz tell me what to add to sources.list?
[06:03] <ep> with much trepidation, I've decided to install flash.  I use firefox, looks like it's  flashplayer-mozilla package.  Isn't there a plugin that only does flash on demand or something?
[06:04] <pointwood> there is an extension that blocks it
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> flsh on demanD?
[06:04] <ep> only if i request it (no ads etc)
[06:04] <pointwood> I haven't had a 100% good experience with it though
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> have to use the extention  pointwoods pointed out
[06:05] <amarock> can someone recommend a nice game for me??
[06:05] <pointwood> I think the flash still gets downloaded but it just doesn't show them
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> amarock: gnometriss
[06:05] <ep> bzflag is 3d, its a tank shoot-em up.  I like it
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, its fun
[06:06] <endo602> is there a way so that everytime i open a folder it runs a command?
[06:06] <pointwood> yeah, bzflag is simple, but quite fun :)
[06:06] <ep> i don't like the jumping variants -- stupid for a tank to jump :)
[06:07] <erc> http://flashblock.mozdev.org/
[06:07] <amarock> lol...jumping tanks!
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lols'
[06:09] <endo602> bzflag?
[06:10] <endo602> i want to runa command everytime i access a folder
[06:10] <ep> geez, from erc 's link " When Firefox 1.5 is released, we plan to reenable the autoupdating of Flashblock "  I've only got version 1.07 -- i'm so behind :(
[06:11] <stupendo44> endo602: I'm guess it has to do with file associations in kcontrol, and using "&&" to run two commands
[06:11] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:11] <stupendo44> I looked in file assoc, but didn't see the folder mime type
[06:12] <endo602> oh
[06:12] <endo602> hmmm
[06:12] <stupendo44> but if you can find wherever the command to load konqueror is launched, then you can append another command
[06:12] <hussam> what's postfix mail transport agent? Do I need it? Can I disable this service?
[06:13] <endo602> ok
[06:13] <stupendo44> endo602: I think I found it, hold on
[06:13] <endo602> can i do it for specifc folders?
[06:13] <stupendo44> endo602: with a specific script you probably could
[06:13] <stupendo44> what is it you're trying to do
[06:13] <ep> that page says flashblock actually block flash from downloading, that's cool.  I read on the internet (hence its a fact) that flash goobles up lots of CPU.
[06:14] <endo602> onesec fedding baby
[06:15] <stupendo44> endo602: what dist are you using
[06:15] <endo602> kubuntu
[06:15] <endo602> breezy
[06:16] <stupendo44> endo602: I can't pm you until I register, hold on
[06:16] <endo602> no worries
[06:16] <endo602> take your time
[06:17] <hussam> Postfix fails to start at bootup after I switched to pppoe? Can I disable this service?
[06:19] <hussam> kibou: are you these?
[06:19] <hussam> kibou: are you there*?
[06:20] <Kibou> yea
[06:21] <hussam> kibou: now postfix won't start because of the pppoe not starting at bootup. Postfix fails to start at bootup because no conenction is active
[06:21] <musik> hey gys xine plays mp3s out-of-the-box!!!
[06:22] <Kibou> pppoe still doesn't work?
[06:22] <hussam> I have to do pon dsl_provider each time I log in
[06:23] <ep> hmm, i installed the flashplayer-mozilla, exited and restarted Firefox, went to a flash test site and its not working.  Do I  need flashplayer-nonfree instead?   Any ideas?
[06:23] <Kibou> that sucks
[06:25] <hussam> what's postfix for in the first place?
[06:26] <aseigo> hussam: mta
[06:27] <hussam> aseigo: what's mta :) ?
[06:27] <Kibou> mail transport agent
[06:27] <Kibou> so it's like sendmail
[06:27] <hussam> so I need it?
[06:27] <hussam> it won't start at boot
[06:27] <Kibou> I'm not using it so actually I don't know anything about it
[06:27] <Kibou> you probably don't need it
[06:28] <hussam> or can I make it ignore that there are no active connections when it starts?
[06:28] <Kibou> no clue
[06:28] <musik> hey guys whr do get win32 codecs? dont give me that tinyurl link....temme what to add to sources.list??
[06:29] <hussam> aseigo: is it the thing that sends mail to /var/mail/ ?
[06:30] <aseigo> hussam: yes ... but you only need it running if you are using it as a public mail server
[06:30] <hussam> aseigo: so /var/mail/hussam will stay empty without it? 
[06:31] <aseigo> hussam: you won't receive any external mail w/out it, yes
[06:31] <hussam> aseigo: what if it is from inside the system , like warnings and stuff?
[06:33] <aseigo> hussam: those will still get delivered
[06:34] <hussam> aseigo: this is the error: postfix[8482] 	fatal: could not find any active network interfaces
[06:34] <aseigo> hussam: sounds like it's starting up before your network devices are active
[06:35] <hussam> aseigo: yes. I need to figure a way to start my pppoe connection at boot
[06:36] <hussam> aseigo:I'm doing pppoeconf or  pon dsl-provider everytime I log in
[06:39] <hussam> I've modified the /etc/network/interfaces and will reboot to check
[06:39] <hussam> brb
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> um.
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[06:50] <bhna> are ther tetex-3.0 packages for breezy?
[06:54] <slicslak> it's been a few years since i've used linux as a home small network router (nat).  is iptables still the way to go?
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[06:54] <slicslak> cool, thanks
[06:54] <morrow> is it possible to manipulate the playlists of a ipod with amarok?
[06:55] <morrow> ahh ipodslave sounds what i need :)
[06:59] <bhna> are there tetex-3.0 packages for breezy?
[07:00] <slicslak> it looks like iptables is already installed (i'm using ubuntu 5.10), so i'm assuming that there is also a init.d and conf script somewhere.  anyone know where?
[07:17] <freemanen> how do configure x in kubuntu?
[07:21] <understorm> Ae... alguem por ae fala portugues?
[07:27] <frank23> !br
[07:27] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigado.
[07:28] <Tm_T> myu bien
[07:43] <_xuniL> okey i have a question, iam instaliing amaroK newst version useing the source. it tells me i need to install gstreamer-engine 0.8.6 or higher... no i realy need to?
[07:44] <_xuniL> ??
[07:45] <kkathman> uhmm.. if it says so, you probably do
[07:47] <_xuniL> to bad :/
[07:47] <kkathman> but typically it will install it for you
[07:47] <kkathman> why too bad...you dont have to use it
[07:48] <frank23> _xuniL: why do you need latest amarok?  try amarok-xine if your having problems with amarok-gstreamer
[07:48] <kkathman> eactly
[07:48] <kkathman> exactly
[07:49] <_xuniL> well 1.3.1 laggs big time!
[07:49] <kkathman> and you think the new version fixes that?
[07:50] <_xuniL> yes it does...
[07:50] <kkathman> I guess I havent heard of anyone complaining and I had that in Hoary and it was just fine
[07:50] <_xuniL> there are a CPU leak in 1.3.1
[07:50] <kkathman> okie doke then
[07:51] <_xuniL> :D
[07:51] <frank23> _xuniL: did you try amarok-xine?
[07:52] <_xuniL> no..
[07:52] <_xuniL> will try it now
[07:52] <frank23> _xuniL: install that package and change the engine the amarok config. I find it works great
[07:52] <_xuniL> k
[07:53] <paelscrit> i think im going to try mandriva linux
[07:53] <kkathman> paelscrit: good luck hope you have money
[07:53] <kkathman> frank23: I used xine too in hoary and never had a prob...cept my sound card sux :)
[07:54] <kkathman> paelscrit: Last time I checked, the only free version of mandriva was a stripped down version
[07:55] <frank23> kkathman: I used xine too in hoary but for video, I would often hear audio stutter (bug with my specific sound card) that is fixed now in breezy ;-)
[07:55] <kkathman> frank23: My sound card in on the motherboard, and humms when I move the mouse...not good...lol
[07:56] <_xuniL> hmm...
[07:56] <_xuniL> enterying amarok...
[07:56] <_xuniL> configure amarok->Engine
[07:57] (frank23/#kubuntu) _xuniL: you installed amarak-xine?
[07:57] (_xuniL/#kubuntu) yeah
[07:57] (frank23/#kubuntu) _xuniL: restart amarok?
[07:58] <kkathman> maybe install libxine1c2 or something like that...the binary files ?
[07:58] <stupendo44> I have a question. Is there any way to adjust the icon grid on the desktop?
[07:59] <_xuniL> will try that
[07:59] <frank23> kkathman: I just checked and amarok-xine depends on libxine1c2
[07:59] <frank23> so its already installed
[08:00] <_xuniL> libxine1c2 is installed
[08:00] <kkathman> ahh ok...sorrybout that
[08:00] <kkathman> I didnt know...it was a shot
[08:00] <kkathman> makes sense tho
[08:00] <kkathman> stupendo44: I know you can set the icon size in the system settings under appearance...maybe that inherantly changes the grid
[08:01] <stupendo44> kkathman: I think it's more about the space between icons
[08:01] <stupendo44> kkathman: changing the icon size does change the grid, but it still leaves big spaces between the icons
[08:01] <kkathman> yah stupendo44 I understand...kinda like you can do in Windows...I dunno a grid setting
[08:02] <kkathman> if its anywhere it'll be in system settings
[08:02] <stupendo44> where's the whole configuration editor thing with all the settings
[08:02] <endo602> everything is working dandy
[08:04] <_toby> I need to set the permissions of /dev/dsp to 666. Every time I reboot, they are re-set to 660. In other distros, this is caused by /etc/devfsd.conf or /etc/security/console.perms. What causes permissions to be reset in Kubuntu?
[08:04] <kkathman> stupendo44: Kmenu System Settings
[08:04] <_xuniL> will try to remove and install armork-xine again
[08:05] <frank23> _toby: I don't know but ubuntu uses udev instead of devfs I think
[08:05] <frank23> _toby: and /dev/dsp comes from alsa's oss emulation I think
[08:05] <stupendo44> there's some settings editor with a ton of custom
[08:05] <stupendo44> there's some settings editor with a ton of custom settings
[08:06] <_xuniL> any other way to gett amarok useing xine?
[08:07] <_tice> salut tout le monde
[08:07] <Riddell> _tice: #kubuntu-fr
[08:07] <Riddell> (that's a suggestion, not a command :)
[08:07] <frank23> _xuniL: amarok-xine from the repos should work. It's strange that it doesn't for you
[08:08] <_xuniL> k...
[08:08] <_toby> frank23: I think I found what I need in /etc/udev/rules.d/020_permissions.rules
[08:08] <_tice> are u talking to me?
[08:08] <_xuniL> but you cant do it manualy
[08:08] <_xuniL> ?
[08:08] <_toby> frank23: There is a line:    KERNEL=="rtc",          MODE="0660", GROUP="audio"
[08:08] <frank23> _toby: ok, great
[08:08] <_toby> frank23: do you think I am safe to change it to
[08:08] <kkathman> stupendo44: I just looked at the kdevelopers page and it seems that there isnt any configurable grid settings yet...but maybe in the future
[08:08] <_toby> KERNEL=="rtc",          MODE="0666", GROUP="audio"
[08:09] <frank23> _toby: I don't know...
[08:09] <_toby> :)
[08:09] <stupendo44> kkathman: ok, thanks
[08:09] <kkathman> np
[08:09] <_xuniL> frank23 whana vnc for checking the problem?
[08:10] <kkathman> ALthough, I have to say, my icons seem layed out just fine
[08:10] <frank23> _xuniL: sure, if you know how to do it since I have no idea how
[08:10] <_xuniL> k :D
[08:12] <endo602> \
[08:13] <_xuniL> frank23 i just need to config it
[08:14] <frank23> _xuniL: be back in 15 minutes
[08:14] <_xuniL> 81.231.148.141:5900 frank23 try now...
[08:14] <_xuniL> k
[08:14] <frank23> oh ok
[08:14] <frank23> how do I connect to it
[08:14] <_xuniL> just enter it in you web browser
[08:15] <_xuniL> psw: leumas
[08:15] <_xuniL> test again...
[08:15] <frank23> _xuniL: down't I need a vnc client? it doesn't seem to work
[08:16] <frank23> Ill disable my firewall
[08:16] <_xuniL> it should start a java applet
[08:16] <_xuniL> at least i think so
[08:16] <frank23> Could not connect to host 81.231.148.141 (port 5900).
[08:18] <_xuniL> new port 81.231.148.14:1333
[08:19] <_xuniL> frank23 try the new port... i think you are getting a java applet there
[08:19] <ep> I found a nice wallpaper to cheer up my day:)
[08:19] <frank23> Timeout on server
[08:20] <frank23> are you sure that port is open on your end?
[08:21] <_xuniL> on the routher it was the udp and tcp ....
[08:21] <_xuniL> and yes its open..
[08:21] <hussam> when I do sudo apt-get update , I get Failed to fetch http://lb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-updates/main/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[08:22] <hussam> what does that mean?
[08:22] <_xuniL> try now again
[08:22] <_xuniL> frank23 try again now...
[08:23] <frank23> I am
[08:23] <hussam> how do I fix that?
[08:23] <_xuniL> k
[08:24] <apokryphos> hussam: try a different mirror; i.e. archive.u.c
[08:24] <_xuniL> installing tight vnc..
[08:24] <crimsun> hussam: generally it means the archive you're trying to use is being updated
[08:24] <frank23> dosen't seem to work, I gotta go though. be back in 20 minutes maybe
[08:24] <_xuniL> frank23 do you have a vnc viewer?
[08:24] <_xuniL> k
[08:24] <crimsun> hussam: like apokryphos said, try a different mirror, or wait 10 minutes and try again
[08:25] <hussam> crimsun, apokryphos: thanks, I'll try another mirror
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[08:30] <hussam> crimsun, apokryphos:I tried again. now I get this W: GPG error: http://lb.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[08:30] <apokryphos> hussam: looks like you're using the same mirror to me 8)
[08:31] <kkathman> good day apokryphos  :)
[08:31] <hussam> apokryphos: why, do you ger the same error or anything?
[08:32] <apokryphos> hi kkathman
[08:32] <apokryphos> hussam: no, as in, it seems to me like you didn't change the mirror =)
[08:33] <hussam> apokryphos: oh I changed to archive.ubuntu.com and got the same thing so I switched back to lb.archive and still got the same
[08:33] <apokryphos> I recommend retrying again in a bit, then
[08:34] <bhna> how can i enable sound for second user after user switching?
[08:34] <crimsun> bhna: the second user needs to be in the audio group as well
[08:38] <bhna> crimsun: the second user is in the audio group
[08:38] <crimsun> bhna: are dmixed sounds apps running from the first user?
[08:39] <bhna> crimsun: dmixed sounds apps?
[08:41] <kkathman> its a bit weird lately, that there havent been any breezy updates via adept
[08:41] <nadenislamarre> I have a pb on kubuntu : my ~/.xinitrc is not executed at the kde start (j)
[08:41] <nadenislamarre> does somebody know a way to execute it at kde start (using kdm)
[08:41] <kkathman> I keep wondering if my adept is working right :)
[08:41] <crimsun> bhna: are any sound applications running in the first user's session?
[08:42] <crimsun> nadenislamarre: ~/.xsession
[08:42] <bhna> crimsun: no only kde
[08:42] <hussam> crimsun, apokryphos: I #ed all deb-src from sources.list and the gpg error went away.
[08:43] <nadenislamarre> I tried with ~/.xession too, but that's the same pb :
[08:43] <crimsun> bhna: KDE's running under the first user? That is dmixed, then.
[08:43] <crimsun> bhna: currently multiple users cannot use audio simultaneously.
[08:43] <nadenislamarre> my .xsession is executable and contains date >> /home/nicolas/executed, when I launch it by had, the file executed is created
[08:44] <nadenislamarre> my question is : in which file the ~/.xsession is launched ? not in /etc/init.d/kdm, ... where ?
[08:44] <crimsun> nadenislamarre: you have to choose "default session" or something for your own ~/.xsession to be execed
[08:44] <bhna> crimsun: for freebsd i can tweak the sound driver any solutions for kubuntu? also no problems in suse.
[08:45] <crimsun> bhna: what precisely is the issue?
[08:45] <nadenislamarre> where do you choose "default session" and what does it mean ?
[08:46] <bhna> crimsun: i have no sound after fast user swiching for the second user. no problems with suse.
[08:46] <crimsun> bhna: "no sound" is way too vague. Tell me what error(s) you get when you try to execute which applications, etc.
[08:51] <bhna> crimsun: device: default cant be opened for playback (permission denied)
[08:52] <nadenislamarre> on kcontrol, there is no way to choose "default session"
[08:53] <crimsun> bhna: as the second user, execute the ''groups'' command in a Konsole, and paste the output here
[08:55] <bhna> crimsun: user cdrom floppy audio dip plugdev scanner
[09:00] <frank23> kkathman: weren't you complaining about the lack of updates?
[09:04] <_toby> Can anyone tell me anything about /etc/udev/permissions.rules ? I am about to edit it (as discussed with frank23 earlier) and would like to know a little more about it before I do so
[09:05] <_toby> What is it's purpose?
[09:06] <frank23> _toby: wouldn't making each user a member of the audio group fix your problem as well?
[09:07] <crimsun> bhna: as root, lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[09:07] <_toby> I thought it would, but it does not. I had this same problem on Mandrake 10.x (on a different PC!) - joining the audio group does not help.
[09:08] <_toby> It is odd, no doubt.
[09:08] <_toby> root@tobyjr:/home/toby# lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[09:08] <_toby> COMMAND  PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[09:09] <_toby> kmix    8050 toby   10u   CHR  116,0      7071 /dev/snd/controlC0
[09:09] <bhna> kmix    10953  sabine   10u   CHR  116,0      7523 /dev/snd/controlC0
[09:09] <bhna> crimsun: kmix     8800 andreas   10u   CHR  116,0      7523 /dev/snd/controlC0 and kmix    10953  sabine   10u   CHR  116,0      7523 /dev/snd/controlC0
[09:10] <crimsun> bhna: what if you kill kmix for the first user?
[09:11] <bhna> crimsun: no effect
[09:12] <bhna> crimsun: the same error
[09:12] <manito> hi together
[09:12] <crimsun> bhna: what happens if as the second user, you attempt aplay -Dhw:0,0 <some.wav> ?
[09:13] <manito> sorry to interupt.... anybody here using kde 3.5 beta2?
[09:13] <manito> or at all kubuntu breezy (upgraded from hoary)
[09:14] <teprrr> hmm, any ideas why kubuntu's kde from b2 repository says it's beta1?
[09:14] <teprrr> and why on earth does it want to load my own copy of kde too?
[09:14] <teprrr> it uses some libs from my own installation.. no KDEDIR/QTDIR set anyway
[09:15] <_thumper_> manito: yes to Breezy, no to beta2
[09:15] <fatbrain_> Anyone tried to build vlc player?
[09:15] <_thumper_> manito: although it was a clean install, as my hoary was one mount
[09:15] <m_tadeu> manito: breezy on b2
[09:15] <bhna> crimsun: sample format non availeble
[09:15] <manito> i'm trying to start _any_ gnome app but it takes up to 1 minute
[09:16] <manito> if something happens at all
[09:16] <manito> also logging in directly into gnome doesn't work at all. i'm just stuck on a brown empty screen
[09:16] <crimsun> bhna: -Dplughw:0,0 ?
[09:16] <m_tadeu> manito: did you install all the gnome desktop?
[09:17] <manito> yep. i installed the ^gnome$ package and everything it depends on
[09:18] <bhna> crimsun: ok aplay is playing the wav
[09:18] <m_tadeu> try "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"...guess this is the meta package
[09:18] <manito> i'll try
[09:18] <crimsun> bhna: and you can hear it?
[09:18] <bhna> crimsun: yes i can hear it
[09:18] <crimsun> bhna: excellent, so it's probably an arts issue
[09:21] <bhna> crimsun: in freebsd i can change the sound-driver and than i have dsp0 dsp1 ... is this posible with als to?
[09:22] <_toby> I just made the change to /etc/udev/permissions.rules. I'm going to try rebooting and see if it worked.
[09:22] <crimsun> bhna: dsp1 is only available if you either have 1) multiple sound devices, 2) your sound device provides two emulated ones
[09:22] <crimsun> _toby: just restart udev
[09:23] <_toby> can you tell me how?
[09:23] <teprrr> tpr@tulibuntu:~$ kde-config --libsuffix
[09:23] <teprrr> 
[09:23] <crimsun> invoke-rc.d udev restart
[09:23] <_toby> "etc/init.d udev restart perhaps?"
[09:23] <teprrr> umh, shouldn't that return something?
[09:23] <bhna> crimsun: could alsa emulate the device like freebsd?
[09:24] <manito> anybody has an idea if there are any updates in kde 3.5 beta2 already?
[09:24] <m_tadeu> manito: nop
[09:24] <crimsun> bhna: it does already via snd-pcm-oss
[09:25] <Phobos> anyone know where I can find the source for adept-updater?
[09:25] <mornfall> apt-get source adept? :)
[09:25] <mornfall> what do you want to do with the source, just for my info?
[09:26] <Phobos> I want to de-uglify it.
[09:26] <kkathman> manito: none that are official
[09:28] <mornfall> Phobos: de-uglify?
[09:28] <mornfall> Phobos: could you elaborate?
[09:28] <kkathman> i think de-uglify = beutify
[09:29] <fatbrain_> How can I install ffmpeg on my Kubuntu 5.10?
[09:29] <mornfall> no, de-uglify implies it's ugly
[09:29] <apokryphos> fatbrain_: same way you install 99% of things?
[09:29] <apokryphos> get it from the repos
[09:29] <kkathman> lol 
[09:29] <fatbrain_> when I apt-get ffmpeg I get this error-message ".. or is only available from another source."
[09:29] <fatbrain_> which source may that be?
[09:30] <apokryphos> fatbrain_: what CPU architecture?
[09:30] <kkathman> did you Google ffmpeg ?
[09:30] <Phobos> mornfall: I just want to change the size of the fetch button so it isn't so large.
[09:30] <kkathman> Phobos: Ohhh wow that will certainly make it MUCH more appealing and increase functionality :)
[09:30] <kkathman> jk
[09:30] <kkathman> hussam!!
[09:30] <Phobos> mornfall: are you an adept maintainer?
[09:31] <mornfall> maybe, maybe :)
[09:31] <apokryphos> well, /me would really like to alter the design :P. Still can't deal with the split view it uses =)
[09:31] <hussam> kkathman!!
[09:31] <mornfall> probably depends on definition of maintainer
[09:31] <apokryphos> Phobos: _the_ maintainer
[09:32] <apokryphos> mornfall: what's been up with the site?
[09:32] <Phobos> mornfoll: is there somewhere I can submit patches to?
[09:33] <teprrr> should kde-config's --libsuffix return anything?
[09:35] <mornfall> apokryphos: ekhis.org? dns was changing its hardware
[09:35] <mornfall> and stuff =)
[09:35] <mornfall> all in all i broke it
[09:36] <apokryphos> ah, up now; your blog's still dead it seems
[09:36] <fatbrain_> apokryphos: sorry for the delay (was on the phone), it's i686.
[09:37] <toby> I'm back! It didn't work. :( Despite having the line     KERNEL=="rtc", MODE="0777", GROUP="audio"     in my /etc/udev/permissions.rules file, my /dev/dsp has been somehow automatically set back to 'crw-rw----  1 root audio'
[09:37] <toby> I don't know what could have done that.
[09:38] <_thumper_> anyone using the  Kubuntu Ultra Splash (http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29426) splash screen?
[09:38] <_thumper_> I've compiled moodin addin, but can't figure out how to add the Kubuntu Ultra Splash theme
[09:38] <apokryphos> fatbrain_: hm, don't see why it shouldn't work -- installed fine here on amd64, though
[09:38] <fatbrain_> 5.10?
[09:39] <apokryphos> _thumper_: edit the kdmrc file and point to it using Theme=
[09:39] <apokryphos> yes
[09:39] <apokryphos> no chroot atm, so can't test on i386
[09:39] <fatbrain_> apokryphos: And you just did a apt-get install vlc?
[09:39] <_thumper_> apokryphos: splash screen not the kdm one
[09:39] <apokryphos> fatbrain_: er, no, I thought you said ffmpeg
[09:39] <apokryphos> though vlc installed fine (and I know for a fact that works for others)
[09:40] <apokryphos> _thumper_: heh, braino
[09:40] <fatbrain_> apokryphos: yeah, sorry, that's what I meant, I'm a bit dense tonight.
[09:40] <apokryphos> _thumper_: splash screen providers like to be evil sometimes.. you might have to add in their config files. I might try it in a bit
[09:40] <apokryphos> fatbrain_: so: wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/f/ffmpeg/ffmpeg_0.cvs20050918-4ubuntu1_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i ffmpeg*.deb     ......doesn't work?
[09:41] <Sonny_Wertzik> does anyone here know about compiling programs?
[09:42] <apokryphos> _thumper_: nope, works fine (thought it had been some time since I saw one of the ones who "wants to teach you something" ;-)). It should work fine with just gettin' the tar in
[09:42] <Lars_G> Sigh.
[09:43] <at1as> Can you hear me?
[09:43] <Lars_G> Question, any ideas why Juk is refusing to play altogether either by arts or akode, and tries by gstream and fails? I tested arts with xmms and it works well....
[09:43] <apokryphos> at1as: nope
[09:43] <Lars_G> at1as: No, this is IRC, I can only read you
[09:43] <at1as> :)
[09:43] <slicslak> gentoo has rc-update to control which init.d files are run in different run levels.  what is the comparable in ubuntu?
[09:44] <at1as> thanks.  Just checkin'.
[09:44] <Lars_G> Hey apokryphos, long time no bug you^H^H^H^H^H^H^H see.
[09:44] <apokryphos> hi
[09:44] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Been well?
[09:44] <Sonny_Wertzik> does anyone here know about compiling programs?hello
[09:44] <_thumper_> apokryphos: where are the themes kept?  I have the tar exploded in home
[09:44] <at1as> We have an IRC killer filter but it apparently isn't working ;)
[09:44] <apokryphos> Lars_G: good; thanks. You? :)
[09:44] <apokryphos> _thumper_: no need to explode it; just point to the tar in systemsettings
[09:44] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Very good, thanks. plus this sat was my bday, and had a nice day.
[09:45] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Any ideas on my juk trouble? or for you it "just works" ?
[09:45] <_thumper_> aprokryphos: Aaahh, that works.  Thanks.
[09:47] <Lars_G> Guess not.
[09:48] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Tell me something then.
[09:49] <Lars_G> apokryphos: When I start juk from the konsole in ubuntu, it detaches from console, a dude in #kde insists this is uncommon behaviour. is he right and is this a debian/ubuntu patch, or is he mad?
[09:52] <schtoom> Is there problems with NTFS and linux?
[09:52] <schtoom> Have a USB drive I would like to connect
[09:53] <rikva> schtoom: only reading or also writing?
[09:53] <schtoom> Also writing
[09:53] <rikva> that'll be a problem
[09:53] <rikva> !ntfs
[09:53] <ubotu> well, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[09:54] <rikva> ehm,  standard you can only read ntfs on linux, but there are some solutions if you also want to write
[09:54] <rikva> like captive
[09:54] <rikva> !captive
[09:54] <ubotu> I heard captive is a project to use windows NTFS drivers under linux. It does not work properly with Ubuntu.
[09:54] <rikva> ah.
[09:54] <schtoom> Okay, thanks. I'm using kubuntu, guess it's same there " It does not work properly with Ubuntu"
[09:54] <Sonny_Wertzik> are there xorg-del files in kubuntu?
[09:54] <apokryphos> Lars_G: happy belated :). Good to hear it went well
[09:55] <Sonny_Wertzik> xorg-devel
[09:55] <l1nux> hi
[09:55] <apokryphos> Lars_G: juk problem.. with mp3s? Did you install gstreamer0.8-mad and akode-mpeg
[09:55] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Thanks :)
[09:55] <rikva> schtoom: yepp is the same
[09:55] <Lars_G> apokryphos: What if I'm using the arts output? I still need akode-mpeg ?
[09:55] <apokryphos> yes
[09:56] <l1nux> please where i get kubuntu "kernel-source-2.6.12.9" ?
[09:56] <Lars_G> apokryphos: That's it then. thanks a lot dude.
[09:56] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Btw is the #kde guy right or mad?
[09:56] <apokryphos> Lars_G: she's a woman :)
[09:56] <apokryphos> one sec; gotta check what was said
[09:58] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Well it works with akode output now, thanks. I guess arts-mpeg will not be taken in account until I restart kde nayhow
[09:58] <apokryphos> Lars_G: it might well be uncommon behaviour, but doesn't necessarily imply any error. Just down to the way it was debuilded/patched
[09:59] <teprrr> hmm, kdepim 3.5b2 isn't in kubuntu?!
[09:59] <apokryphos> Lars_G: or just restart arts
[09:59] <apokryphos> teprrr: it is
[09:59] <Lars_G> apokryphos: True good idea. but akode works. thanks
[10:00] <teprrr> apokryphos, libkdepim1 seems to be for 3.4.3 ..
[10:00] <teprrr> uh, no..
[10:00] <teprrr> wtf is going on therre
[10:01] <apokryphos> =)
[10:01] <teprrr> kontact just doesn't depend on libkdepim..
[10:01] <Linuxpeter> nabend
[10:01] <apokryphos> hm
[10:01] <teprrr> nor libktnef1
[10:02] <apokryphos> one of the packs it brings in should
[10:02] <apokryphos> it wouldn't be built otherwise from debuild
[10:02] <teprrr> kontact (interfaces): WARNING: libkmime.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:02] <apokryphos> (not using the packs atm though -- on amd64)
[10:02] <teprrr> that either
[10:02] <apokryphos> teprrr: did you do a dist-upgrade when you added the new repo?
[10:03] <_thumper_> apokryphos: thanks for the tip.  Now have kdm and splash working fine.
[10:03] <apokryphos> (making sure, first, that you have kubuntu-desktop installed)
[10:03] <apokryphos> cool
[10:03] <teprrr> /tmp/usr/lib/libkmime.so.2                                  libkcal2a
[10:03] <teprrr> ahah, wtf :D
[10:03] <teprrr> they're in /tmp.. hehee
[10:03] <teprrr> apokryphos, nope, just wajig install kubuntu-desktop
[10:04] <teprrr> but dist-upgrade doesn't seem to upgrade other than libgl libs
[10:04] <apokryphos> wajig?
[10:05] <teprrr> frontend for several apt utils
[10:05] <apokryphos> teprrr: you've got kubuntu-desktop and dist-upgrade brings in nothing else?
[10:06] <teprrr> I just installed kubuntu-desktop after adding that new repo and updating
[10:10] <apokryphos> -C!
[10:10] <apokryphos> or grep option, even :/
[10:17] <teprrr> Riddell, do you happen to know anything about that?
[10:20] <apokryphos> teprrr: libmimelib1a is meant to bring in that .so
[10:22] <stupendo44> why is the mouse cursors that appear while using firefox and thunderbird different from the ones throughout the rest of kubuntu
[10:23] <rikva> stupendo44: that is the X cursor and I wonder the same thing
[10:24] <stupendo44> can I change it somewhere?
[10:25] <schtoom> where is the default installation path of firefox?
[10:25] <rikva> stupendo44: I'm afraid not
[10:25] <frank23> stupendo44: there is a howto about how to get the same cursors everywhere in the forums
[10:26] <stupendo44> frank23: ok, thanks. I'll check it out
[10:26] <stupendo44> frank23: which forums
[10:27] <frank23> stupendo44: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=105
[10:27] <stupendo44> ok, thx
[10:29] <_asraniel> you dont know how much i love linux.... and my laptop :-) and my ipod... :-) oh im so happy :-)
[10:30] <rikva> oh i think i know _asraniel 
[10:37] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> hi! someone can tell me why the kernel that comes with breezy is not compiled with gcc4 but with 3.4?
[10:39] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ehi?
[10:39] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> aho?
[10:39] <kkathman> Tallia1-KubuntuB: read this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75651.html
[10:39] <kkathman> then you dont need to ask again.
[10:39] <kkathman> :)
[10:41] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> 4.0 is the default in Breezy but the kernel still needs 3.4 
[10:41] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> why?
[10:42] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kkathman: ?
[10:45] <kkathman> please read the whole thread
[10:46] <kkathman> you can also read further here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-34719.html
[10:47] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kkathman: yes.. but my problem now is that if i use the old compiler 
[10:47] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> kkathman: to comile vmware.. there's a problem in configuration
[10:47] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> in particular on the configuration of networks..
[10:47] <kkathman> so there you go you have your answer
[10:48] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and when i run vmware it tells me to run (AGAIN) the configurator even if i have just ran that
[10:48] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i dunno what's happening
[10:48] <kkathman>  Even so, GCC 4 is simply too new and untested; give it time to settle a bit (breezy and Debian experimental are still tracking 4.0.x stable cvs).
[10:48] <kkathman> I guess I have to read it and put it here
[10:48] <kkathman> Now I think we can let that go now
[10:49] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> listen to me..
[10:49] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ok i understand why..
[10:49] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i read the thread
[10:49] <kkathman> good then thats that
[10:49] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> my problem is that EVEN if i compile with gcc3.4 it doesn't work
[10:49] <kkathman> if you want to compile the kernel in 4 then do it
[10:50] <kkathman> well I cant help you with that...you'll need to go to #ubuntu or one of the kernel channels :)
[10:50] <kkathman> this is for kubuntu
[10:51] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i'm in kubuntu!
[10:54] <kkathman> but your questions have to do with the breezy kernel not kubuntu really
[10:55] <understorm> hi there... 
[10:56] <understorm> need help with a bug
[10:56] <understorm> when i type: sudo passwd root
[10:57] <understorm> answer: unable to lookup <user> via gethostbyname ( )
[10:57] <understorm> Any suggestion?
[10:57] <kkathman> not sure Im following you
[10:59] <rikva> understorm: try sudo passwd
[10:59] <kkathman> so you set the passwd for root...and I assume you su root right after that
[10:59] <rikva> understorm: or try sudo su, and then passwd
[11:00] <understorm> kkathman --> sudo: unable to lokup <user> via gethostbyname ( )
[11:01] <understorm> this is the only answer that i receive when i type sudo passwd root
[11:01] <understorm> i think this is a bug...
[11:02] <understorm> one more...
[11:02] <strike4ce> I cant understand why I cant install the kernel thru adept?
[11:02] <kkathman> hmmm understorm can you type su root
[11:03] <slow-motion> n8
[11:03] <strike4ce> anyone know why?
[11:04] <wotnarg> strike4ce: You can't?
[11:05] <strike4ce> The kernel for my version of kubuntu shows up in adept as not installed.  Shouldnt the kernel be installed?  2.6.12-9-386
[11:05] <strike4ce> wotnarg: nope
[11:06] <wotnarg> hrm, my kernel shows as installed, and I can manipulate it.
[11:07] <strike4ce> this is what shows up in terminal
[11:07] <strike4ce> Package fglrx-kernel-2.6.12-9-386 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:07] <strike4ce> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:07] <strike4ce> is only available from another source
[11:07] <strike4ce> E: Package fglrx-kernel-2.6.12-9-386 has no installation candidate
[11:07] <strike4ce> can anyone help me with that?
[11:08] <strike4ce> does fglrx-control need to be installed first?
[11:08] <wotnarg> thats not a kernel, fglrx are ati drivers, no? 
[11:09] <strike4ce> wotnarg: what is not a kernel?
[11:09] <wotnarg> see if you have a package like 'linux-image-2.6-blah
[11:09] <wotnarg> installed
[11:10] <strike4ce> why?
[11:10] <strike4ce> you hvae to have the current kernel installed for fglrx
[11:10] <flixor> hya everbody 
[11:10] <strike4ce> who is the expert here?
[11:10] <flixor> could somebody help me to get my printer work 
[11:10] <wotnarg> strike4ce: Just humor me and see ;)
[11:11] <strike4ce> I want to install the ati driver
[11:11] <wotnarg> You need to enable restricted, and possibly universe
[11:12] <strike4ce> already did that
[11:13] <wotnarg> I believe the package your looking for is 'xorg-driver-fglrx'
[11:13] <strike4ce> that is ati
[11:13] <strike4ce> I want my 3d to work
[11:13] <wotnarg> you have an ati card, no?
[11:14] <flixor> crimsun, are you here 
[11:15] <wotnarg> I see, you have the 2d driver already, and you want the 3d one.
[11:15] <frank23> !tell strike4ce about ati
[11:16] <strike4ce> i dont have anything
[11:17] <flixor> is there somebody who has a good knowlogde to conntect a printer and could help me set it up with kubuntu 
[11:18] <frank23> strike4ce: you got the message from ubotu?
[11:20] <strike4ce> yes already tried that doesnt work
[11:21] <kkathman> flixor I might be able to help you
[11:22] <kkathman> flixor: have you tried going through the Printer Wizard setup in System Settings - Hardware - Printers ?
[11:22] <frank23> strike4ce: what doesn't work?
[11:23] <strike4ce> frank23: I do the first command on the how to and it comes back with no such file directory
[11:23] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> is ubuntu 5.0.4 hoary or breezy?
[11:23] <strike4ce> frank23: with my kernel
[11:24] <frank23> strike4ce: you mean this sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx ?
[11:24] <flixor> kkathman, sorry i was getting me some coffee 
[11:25] <flixor> but thanks  for offering 
[11:25] <strike4ce> frank23: sorry 
[11:25] <strike4ce> frank23: im back
[11:25] <kkathman> np flixor just check out what I said there :)
[11:25] <flixor> kkathman, well i have a kubuntu installed and everything is working pretty good :) i am a linux newbe but i read a lot and i am hooked 
[11:25] <flixor> ehm yes i did kkathman but still not working 
[11:26] <flixor> so thats why i need a little help 
[11:26] <kkathman> flixor: ok, so is your printer connected to your LInux box using the parallel port?
[11:26] <flixor> yep kkathman 
[11:27] <kkathman> ok, and you followed the wizard to setup a printer connected to the parallel port?
[11:27] <flixor> yep 
[11:27] <flixor> but it cant find a driver for it 
[11:27] <kkathman> ohhhh no driver for your printer?
[11:27] <flixor> yep 
[11:28] <kkathman> have you inquired to the manufacturer site and see if they have a Linux driver?
[11:29] <flixor> ehm do dont have it the printer is a hewlett packard deskjet 720C
[11:29] <kkathman> hmmm
[11:30] <teprrr> Riddell, there's a lot of unmeet dependencies in b2.. I've installed by hand many libkdepim packages when trying to make kmail work :P
[11:31] <Riddell> teprrr: like which?
[11:31] <flixor> kkathman, yes i know hmmm indeed 
[11:31] <kkathman> flixor: try this http://pnm2ppa.sourceforge.net/
[11:32] <teprrr> Riddell, libkpimidentities1, libksieve0, libmimelib1a, libkdepim, should I continue?
[11:32] <flixor> already tried, and on the website its generate a pnm2ppa file and i installed it but still no luck 
[11:32] <teprrr> libkleopatra0a also
[11:32] <teprrr> at least those
[11:32] <flixor> if looks then if it works but when you do a test print nothing comes out 
[11:32] <teprrr> kde is installed by installing kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[11:33] <teprrr> also akregator's metakit backend seems to be missing
[11:33] <kkathman> flixor try that page, and see if that helps...a site I went to says that the driver works on a 720c
[11:36] <kkathman> ohh ok sorry bout that
[11:53] <Dexcel> ola algun manual bueno de cegeda, wine, winex o cross over en espaol?
[11:53] <flixor> hya kkathman thanks that document helped a lot to configure the printer 
[11:54] <flixor> its seemed that i had to change a few things in the pnm2ppa.conf file to let the printer work 
[11:54] <flixor> thanks a lot for pointing me the the documentation 
[11:54] <slicslak> what cli util can i use to add/remove init.d scripts from run levels?
[11:57] <flixor> kkathman, did you get what i wrote
[11:58] <strike4ce> Where can I get the fglrx package?
[11:58] <_liquidbinary_> hi!
[11:58] <stupendo44> question. how can I get thunderbird to open links in emails. Right now it doesn't do anything when I click on them.
[12:00] <Zeep> strike4ce: Maybe this HowTo will help: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76116
[12:00] <Zeep> strike4ce: (direct link): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589