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| Burgundavia | ah shit | 06:30 |
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| Burgundavia | Madpilot, ping | 06:30 |
| rob^ | haha | 06:30 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: edit conflict there | 06:31 |
| Madpilot | I'm reverting | 06:31 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, we should be good now | 06:31 |
| Madpilot | I think so... | 06:31 |
| Burgundavia | who did that? | 06:31 |
| Madpilot | did what? | 06:32 |
| Madpilot | I was restoring RootSudo, and setting up RootPrivs as a redirect | 06:32 |
| Burgundavia | the orginal redirect away from RootSudo? | 06:33 |
| Madpilot | there was never a redirect from RS to RP, just a link | 06:33 |
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| Burgundavia | it ended up a circular redirect for a second there | 06:34 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: OK, it's all good now, RootSudo is back and RootPrivs is a redirect to RS | 06:34 |
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| Madpilot | I had thought that RootPrivileges was new, but it's been around a while, lurking... | 06:35 |
| Madpilot | AndrewZajac2 seems to have done the moving, and of course he doesn't have a wiki page or contact point... | 06:37 |
| Burgundavia | he does actually | 06:37 |
| Burgundavia | arzajac at yahoo dot ca | 06:37 |
| Burgundavia | did Andrew move it from RootSudo to RootPrivs? | 06:38 |
| Burgundavia | I am confused | 06:38 |
| Madpilot | ... so am I, now | 06:38 |
| Madpilot | ;) | 06:38 |
| Burgundavia | it looks like RootSudo just got recreated | 06:38 |
| Burgundavia | somebody must have moved it to RootPrivs a while back | 06:39 |
| jsgotangco | whats up | 06:39 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, we had a minor mess with RootSudo and RootPrivs | 06:39 |
| Madpilot | I think RootSudo was deleted, then restored by Andrew, so we may be blaming him unfairly... | 06:39 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, this kind of stupidity lead the mediawiki devs to put page moves in the history | 06:39 |
| Burgundavia | a feature that should be ported to moin | 06:40 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: see RecentChanges for the entertainment - Burgundavia and I were editing at cross-purposes for a minute there... | 06:40 |
| Burgundavia | and moin does not appear to have a undelete | 06:40 |
| jsgotangco | wiki love :) | 06:40 |
| Burgundavia | the wiki not appearing to save edits is a major issue | 06:41 |
| Burgundavia | ok, it does have an undelete | 06:43 |
| Burgundavia | it is just hidden | 06:43 |
| Madpilot | OK, here's an oddity... | 06:45 |
| Burgundavia | hmm? | 06:46 |
| Madpilot | how often are the Category<Whatever> pages rebuilt for addition/deletions? I thought it was instant | 06:46 |
| Burgundavia | so did I | 06:46 |
| Madpilot | check out CatCleanup - WikiGuide is still there - but when you check WikiGuide, the only Category it appears in is Documentation | 06:47 |
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| rob^ | have branch and trunk been resynced yet? | 06:59 |
| jsgotangco | nope | 07:00 |
| rob^ | didn't think so | 07:00 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: ping | 07:10 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, pong | 07:10 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: I've figured out what happened to RootSudo | 07:12 |
| Madpilot | it wasn't deleted | 07:12 |
| Madpilot | it was renamed RootPrivs | 07:12 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 07:12 |
| rob^ | heh | 07:12 |
| Burgundavia | and who did that? | 07:12 |
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| Madpilot | then AndrewZajac2 built a NEW RootSudo, as a sort of redirect | 07:12 |
| rob^ | this is the kind of page that needs to me moved to our controled wiki | 07:12 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 07:13 |
| rob^ | s/me/be | 07:13 |
| Madpilot | 2005-10-23 22:51:06 Mauriciohernande -- a more general and clear name <-- looks like he renamed it | 07:13 |
| Burgundavia | moving and deleting pages needs to removed from general users | 07:13 |
| Burgundavia | but splitting the wikis is a bad thing, unless we move all docs | 07:14 |
| rob^ | can't we just do a redirect? | 07:14 |
| Burgundavia | an interwiki one | 07:15 |
| rob^ | yeah | 07:15 |
| Burgundavia | that gets nasty | 07:15 |
| rob^ | sounds like a problem with moin | 07:16 |
| Burgundavia | "good urls never die" | 07:16 |
| rob^ | hence redirect | 07:16 |
| Burgundavia | ya | 07:16 |
| Burgundavia | oh, nasty argument brewing over at wikipedia | 07:16 |
| rob^ | the chan? | 07:17 |
| Burgundavia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/1-Click_Answers | 07:17 |
| Burgundavia | anyway, I disgress | 07:17 |
| Burgundavia | I really don't like the idea of splitting the docs | 07:18 |
| Burgundavia | it hasn't work in the past, with the freezing attempt | 07:18 |
| Burgundavia | s/work/worked | 07:18 |
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| rob^ | really the wiki team need control of the wiki, its kind of stupid otherwise | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 07:19 |
| rob^ | http://www.cafepress.com/lesbianlinux | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | it is dumb that anybody can delete or move | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | as it has been shown that people cannot be trusted with this | 07:19 |
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| Burgundavia | salut bhuvan | 07:21 |
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| mdke | morning | 08:53 |
| rob^ | hi | 08:54 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hi mdke | 08:55 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hi rob^ | 08:55 |
| rob^ | hmm operating 2 pcs, a laptop and an xbox at the same time is fun | 08:56 |
| mdke | some crack going on with the wiki? | 08:56 |
| rob^ | apprently | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, both Madpilot and myself trying to fix the same issue at the same time | 09:05 |
| mdke | ah | 09:06 |
| mdke | well the crack must have been that there was an issue in the first place right? | 09:06 |
| Burgundavia | yes, someone moved RootSudo | 09:07 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | o_0 | 09:08 |
| mdke | ooh | 09:08 |
| mdke | i mean, oof | 09:08 |
| rob^ | does one need a wireless access point to have a wireless network? or just network cards? | 09:09 |
| Burgundavia | you can do ad-hoc with 2 wireless cards | 09:09 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | you can have just cards | 09:09 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | 2+ cards cant you? | 09:09 |
| rob^ | so more then 2 I need an ap | 09:10 |
| mdke | the guy who moved RootSudo is active on the mailing list, you can tick him off | 09:10 |
| mdke | he is often in here too, nick of mhz | 09:10 |
| mdke | although yeah, the name RootPrivileges was better | 09:11 |
| Burgundavia | regardless, the mover didn't put a redirect in place | 09:12 |
| mdke | indeed | 09:12 |
| mdke | hence the ticking off needed | 09:12 |
| jsgotangco | hmm so mhz did something? | 09:14 |
| mdke | on the italian wiki we disabled deletion and renaming | 09:14 |
| mdke | except for admins | 09:14 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, sounds sane to me | 09:16 |
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| mdke | yeah well the italian wiki does not get so much editing i guess | 09:19 |
| mdke | if we implemented it on the ubuntu wiki we'd need to set up a deletion/renaming request system | 09:20 |
| mdke | i'll talk to henrik about it | 09:20 |
| jsgotangco | ACLs | 09:21 |
| Burgundavia | that is pretty easy, we just need a page for it | 09:23 |
| mdke | yeah | 09:25 |
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| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, how do you connect with people on linkedin? | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, do you follow the method that involves you manually entering their email addy? | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | its much faster to do that if you know the person | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 09:29 |
| jsgotangco | i have a contact that has like 300 people on his list | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 09:30 |
| Burgundavia | bob2 = Rob Wier, no? | 09:32 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: yes | 09:33 |
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| Burgundavia | http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Warsow | 09:35 |
| jsgotangco | ahh too bad mako's not coming on UBZ | 09:45 |
| Burgundavia | holy crap wikipedia has some good mappers --> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Karte_baikal2.png | 09:45 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, no, why not? | 09:45 |
| jsgotangco | well he said on his blog he's skipping UBZ | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | ya, just read that | 09:47 |
| rob^ | grr why are my mp3s playing at twice the speed? | 09:48 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 09:48 |
| jsgotangco | because you;re in the future rob^ .... | 09:48 |
| rob^ | according to the clock on the pc I'm three hours into the future too | 09:49 |
| rob^ | wf? | 09:49 |
| rob^ | s/wf?/wtf? | 09:49 |
| rob^ | grr | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 09:51 |
| rob^ | its only doing it in gnome apps | 09:55 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, ping | 10:11 |
| mdke | i have an idea | 10:12 |
| mdke | let's start brainstorming on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterWiki and see if we can make it into a decent spec for some wide-ranging wiki changes | 10:12 |
| jsgotangco | checking... | 10:14 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, there is nothing there | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh ok | 10:15 |
| mdke | but it is an available spec :) | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | wow opera just crashed on gmail | 10:15 |
| Madpilot | could that spec include things like "move the MOTU/dev/spec pages to a seperate wiki somewhere"? | 10:21 |
| Madpilot | dev.ubuntu.com or something | 10:21 |
| rob^ | but doesn't that still need to be a wiki | 10:22 |
| rob^ | so yet another wiki to maintain etc | 10:22 |
| Madpilot | yeah, I know, but would get the actual user docs seperated from the dev docs | 10:23 |
| mdke | Madpilot, the idea was possibly to separate the user docs by moving those | 10:24 |
| mdke | corey's idea at least | 10:24 |
| mdke | leaving the main wiki for all those development activities | 10:24 |
| Madpilot | yikes... that's a way bigger and messier job than moving the dev stuff | 10:24 |
| mdke | actually I'm not sure it is | 10:24 |
| Madpilot | no? | 10:25 |
| Madpilot | I'd assumed that the doc side of the current wiki was larger, but maybe not | 10:25 |
| rob^ | is going to take a bit of work either way | 10:25 |
| rob^ | and moving to our own wiki means we have control | 10:25 |
| Madpilot | the other reason to leave the user docs where they are is that people know those URLs already | 10:26 |
| mdke | Madpilot, i'm not sure, but in any case moving pages is pretty easy with moin | 10:26 |
| mdke | there are a number of options for the URLs | 10:27 |
| mdke | anyhow, this sort of thing is what will benefit from some brainstorming on a spec | 10:27 |
| rob^ | just point wiki.u.c to the new wiki, and dev.w.c to the dev one | 10:27 |
| rob^ | err that should be dev.u.c | 10:27 |
| mdke | rob^, part of my reasoning for moving the docs would be to have them at the same place as the static docs (help.u.c) | 10:27 |
| mdke | fragmented documentation is bad | 10:27 |
| jsgotangco | aye | 10:28 |
| rob^ | but won't that mean people will just start new docs on the old wiki | 10:28 |
| jsgotangco | no extra wikis for me | 10:28 |
| rob^ | ? | 10:28 |
| rob^ | the idea is people can improve and contribute | 10:28 |
| rob^ | I think all we need to do is have normal user accounts limited moreso | 10:28 |
| mdke | rob^, if we had a wiki at help.u.c it would not be locked down, people can improve and contribute there | 10:28 |
| mdke | nah, there are more problems than just that | 10:29 |
| mdke | anyhow, i'll work on the spec for a while, and see if I can convince you | 10:29 |
| mdke | and myself | 10:29 |
| rob^ | I'll check it out | 10:29 |
| rob^ | setting up moin isn't a trivial task | 10:29 |
| mdke | it will be set up anyhow | 10:29 |
| mdke | Madpilot, for an option with regard to the URLs, we tried moving the Italian wiki recently, see e.g. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ItalianSudo for what we did | 10:30 |
| rob^ | and we will need ssh access to the server to properly administer it | 10:30 |
| jsgotangco | err how do you move between channels in irssi? | 10:30 |
| mdke | dude | 10:30 |
| mdke | we have ssh access already | 10:30 |
| rob^ | ? | 10:30 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 10:30 |
| rob^ | we do? | 10:30 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, alt + number or arrow key | 10:30 |
| mdke | rob^, how the hell do you think all our docs are there? | 10:30 |
| jsgotangco | well the user at least... | 10:30 |
| rob^ | some asked? | 10:31 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: ahh nice... | 10:31 |
| rob^ | s/some/someone | 10:31 |
| Madpilot | mdke: yeah, I saw the Italian changes to streaming past in RecentChanges | 10:31 |
| jsgotangco | rob^: i have access but i don't use it | 10:31 |
| mdke | Madpilot, another option would be to use "refresh" | 10:31 |
| mdke | although that isn't currently active on our wiki | 10:31 |
| rob^ | how does one accquire access to said server? | 10:31 |
| jsgotangco | just ask mdke the account... | 10:31 |
| mdke | rob^, the doc.u.c and help.u.c server is admined by me and henrik | 10:31 |
| jsgotangco | its just one account really... | 10:32 |
| Madpilot | mdke: either way, doing it that way puts an extra layer between people and resources... | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | well anyway because it was moved, its another ACL | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | the last one was with lindoe | 10:32 |
| rob^ | is it your own server or a shared server? | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | rob^: serverpronto | 10:32 |
| mdke | Madpilot, only for the purposes of the old URLs, there is no extra layer once people get used to the new ones | 10:32 |
| rob^ | ah | 10:32 |
| rob^ | ubuntu paying for it? | 10:32 |
| mdke | yes | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 10:32 |
| rob^ | nice | 10:32 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, actually I didn't give you a login yet iirc | 10:33 |
| mdke | you say i did? | 10:33 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: no the old one i meant | 10:33 |
| jsgotangco | not the server pronto | 10:33 |
| mdke | ah | 10:33 |
| jsgotangco | no rush | 10:34 |
| jsgotangco | until we have a use for such | 10:34 |
| mdke | i'll give you logins to the new one. although please don't use em for heavy backup or anything | 10:34 |
| mdke | what usernames do you want? | 10:34 |
| jsgotangco | heavy backup? *shudder* | 10:34 |
| rob^ | heh | 10:34 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: i'll create a chroot in no time :) joke | 10:35 |
| mdke | hmm | 10:35 |
| rob^ | hmm I just realised I have an mp3 copy of the hackers movie soundtrack.. | 10:35 |
| mdke | well we have 100GB left | 10:35 |
| rob^ | how did that get there? | 10:35 |
| jsgotangco | 100GB of storage? wow | 10:35 |
| rob^ | overkill? | 10:36 |
| jsgotangco | well if they buy in bulk that's cheap | 10:36 |
| rob^ | yeah | 10:36 |
| mdke | that is just the package they offered | 10:36 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: we can try it for baz & bzr expermentation though | 10:37 |
| jsgotangco | it won't eat up a lot of space and bandwidth | 10:37 |
| mdke | guess so | 10:37 |
| rob^ | hey would you all prefer me to just do a one page (ie short) faq guide for xubuntu instead of the ug (as per my email)? | 10:37 |
| mdke | yes, if that :) | 10:37 |
| jsgotangco | dunno i don't use xfce..didn't like it | 10:38 |
| jsgotangco | i'd rather use ion2 than that hehehe... | 10:38 |
| rob^ | its pretty nice on older hardware, gnome like environment that doesn't slow your old pc down | 10:38 |
| jsgotangco | yeah anything gtk runs too | 10:39 |
| mdke | i will try it | 10:40 |
| rob^ | well its kind of gnome like, as in it uses gtk2 | 10:40 |
| mdke | but tbh xubuntu is not high priority | 10:40 |
| rob^ | no, its not | 10:40 |
| mdke | it is not a "partner" as jerome says | 10:40 |
| mdke | and it has its own guide | 10:40 |
| rob^ | never said it was.. | 10:41 |
| mdke | unless we see that the guide isn't valid, then i think we should concentrate elsewhere | 10:41 |
| rob^ | well I was thinking of just adding ubuntu related info to it anyway | 10:41 |
| jsgotangco | well imo rob^ should do as he pleases on xubuntu if he wants too...we can't pin him down to do stuff that interests him :) | 10:41 |
| jsgotangco | but he's riddled with bugzilla bugs atm :) | 10:42 |
| mdke | sure | 10:42 |
| rob^ | umm about 10 I think | 10:42 |
| jsgotangco | wow did trunk shrink? | 10:43 |
| jsgotangco | its only 180MB now | 10:43 |
| rob^ | yeah either way xubuntu will be low priority, I'd rather see the kubuntu faq guide done first | 10:43 |
| jsgotangco | compared to the previous 250+ | 10:43 |
| mdke | i think kde upstream is gone | 10:45 |
| mdke | ok i'm gonna do some work | 10:49 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, ok, will do | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, night all | 10:52 |
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| rob^ | what happen to BetterWiki? | 12:17 |
| mdke | it is now BetterWikiDocs | 12:18 |
| rob^ | ah | 12:18 |
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| mdke | jbailey, have you made any progress with the merge? can we help? | 04:53 |
| jbailey | mdke: I didn't, sorry. Friday got crazy on me, and I'm still settling in from the weekend. | 04:54 |
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| jjesse | slow day? | 07:55 |
| jjesse | :) | 07:55 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Time to start thinking about Dapper | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Remember the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by rob^ at Sat Oct 22 15:43:50 2005 | ||
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| jjesse | hiya apokryphos | 08:20 |
| apokryphos | hey | 08:20 |
| apokryphos | how's it going | 08:20 |
| jjesse | going well, getting started on KUDOS -> docbook | 08:24 |
| apokryphos | wow, quite a mission | 08:25 |
| apokryphos | will be real useful though =) | 08:25 |
| jjesse | yeah right now i'm looking to see what the difference between the FAQ Guide and KUDOS is, how much we can steal :) | 08:38 |
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| jjesse | what's there something posted to the list about opening in openoffice and saving in docbook format? | 10:24 |
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| apokryphos | why use that when you have Quanta+ and Kate ;-) | 10:24 |
| apokryphos | (good article on Quanta+ as docbook editor not too long ago: http://dot.kde.org/1124997856/ ) | 10:25 |
| jjesse | i use kate right now | 10:25 |
| apokryphos | quanta has more features, but has quite a few UI issues | 10:26 |
| apokryphos | quite a few anti-kde-ers pick it out as a "bloated program", but really it's just featureful, without a perfect UI :D | 10:26 |
| jjesse | hmm i'll look into it | 10:27 |
| apokryphos | http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/tutorials/quanta-docbook/quanta-toolbars.png pretty much sums up a lot of the problems; widgets in widgets | 10:27 |
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