=== Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-69-171.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [n=judax@adsl-70-240-14-115.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:30] ah shit [06:30] Madpilot, ping [06:30] haha [06:31] Burgundavia: edit conflict there [06:31] I'm reverting [06:31] Madpilot, we should be good now [06:31] I think so... [06:31] who did that? [06:32] did what? [06:32] I was restoring RootSudo, and setting up RootPrivs as a redirect [06:33] the orginal redirect away from RootSudo? [06:33] there was never a redirect from RS to RP, just a link === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:34] it ended up a circular redirect for a second there [06:34] Burgundavia: OK, it's all good now, RootSudo is back and RootPrivs is a redirect to RS === Burgundavia curses the primitive history features of moinmoin [06:35] I had thought that RootPrivileges was new, but it's been around a while, lurking... [06:37] AndrewZajac2 seems to have done the moving, and of course he doesn't have a wiki page or contact point... [06:37] he does actually [06:37] arzajac at yahoo dot ca [06:38] did Andrew move it from RootSudo to RootPrivs? [06:38] I am confused [06:38] ... so am I, now [06:38] ;) [06:38] it looks like RootSudo just got recreated [06:39] somebody must have moved it to RootPrivs a while back [06:39] whats up [06:39] jsgotangco, we had a minor mess with RootSudo and RootPrivs [06:39] I think RootSudo was deleted, then restored by Andrew, so we may be blaming him unfairly... [06:39] Madpilot, this kind of stupidity lead the mediawiki devs to put page moves in the history [06:40] a feature that should be ported to moin [06:40] jsgotangco: see RecentChanges for the entertainment - Burgundavia and I were editing at cross-purposes for a minute there... [06:40] and moin does not appear to have a undelete [06:40] wiki love :) [06:41] the wiki not appearing to save edits is a major issue [06:43] ok, it does have an undelete [06:43] it is just hidden [06:45] OK, here's an oddity... [06:46] hmm? [06:46] how often are the Category pages rebuilt for addition/deletions? I thought it was instant [06:46] so did I [06:47] check out CatCleanup - WikiGuide is still there - but when you check WikiGuide, the only Category it appears in is Documentation === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco patiently downloads trunk [06:59] have branch and trunk been resynced yet? [07:00] nope [07:00] didn't think so [07:10] Burgundavia: ping [07:10] Madpilot, pong [07:12] Burgundavia: I've figured out what happened to RootSudo [07:12] it wasn't deleted [07:12] it was renamed RootPrivs [07:12] ah [07:12] heh [07:12] and who did that? === Burgundavia readies his bat [07:12] then AndrewZajac2 built a NEW RootSudo, as a sort of redirect [07:12] this is the kind of page that needs to me moved to our controled wiki [07:13] hmm [07:13] s/me/be [07:13] 2005-10-23 22:51:06 Mauriciohernande -- a more general and clear name <-- looks like he renamed it [07:13] moving and deleting pages needs to removed from general users [07:14] but splitting the wikis is a bad thing, unless we move all docs [07:14] can't we just do a redirect? [07:15] an interwiki one [07:15] yeah [07:15] that gets nasty [07:16] sounds like a problem with moin [07:16] "good urls never die" [07:16] hence redirect [07:16] ya [07:16] oh, nasty argument brewing over at wikipedia [07:17] the chan? [07:17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/1-Click_Answers [07:17] anyway, I disgress [07:18] I really don't like the idea of splitting the docs [07:18] it hasn't work in the past, with the freezing attempt [07:18] s/work/worked === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:19] really the wiki team need control of the wiki, its kind of stupid otherwise [07:19] yes [07:19] http://www.cafepress.com/lesbianlinux [07:19] it is dumb that anybody can delete or move [07:19] as it has been shown that people cannot be trusted with this === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:21] salut bhuvan === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox__ [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-51-39.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === zenrox__ [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp209-139.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:53] morning [08:54] hi [08:55] hi mdke [08:55] hi rob^ [08:56] hmm operating 2 pcs, a laptop and an xbox at the same time is fun [08:56] some crack going on with the wiki? [08:57] apprently [09:05] mdke, both Madpilot and myself trying to fix the same issue at the same time [09:06] ah [09:06] well the crack must have been that there was an issue in the first place right? [09:07] yes, someone moved RootSudo [09:08] o_0 [09:08] ooh [09:08] i mean, oof [09:09] does one need a wireless access point to have a wireless network? or just network cards? [09:09] you can do ad-hoc with 2 wireless cards [09:09] you can have just cards [09:09] 2+ cards cant you? [09:10] so more then 2 I need an ap [09:10] the guy who moved RootSudo is active on the mailing list, you can tick him off [09:10] he is often in here too, nick of mhz [09:11] although yeah, the name RootPrivileges was better [09:12] regardless, the mover didn't put a redirect in place [09:12] indeed [09:12] hence the ticking off needed [09:14] hmm so mhz did something? [09:14] on the italian wiki we disabled deletion and renaming [09:14] except for admins [09:16] mdke, sounds sane to me === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp209-139.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:19] yeah well the italian wiki does not get so much editing i guess [09:20] if we implemented it on the ubuntu wiki we'd need to set up a deletion/renaming request system [09:20] i'll talk to henrik about it [09:21] ACLs [09:23] that is pretty easy, we just need a page for it [09:25] yeah === mdke goes to work [09:27] jsgotangco, how do you connect with people on linkedin? [09:28] jsgotangco, do you follow the method that involves you manually entering their email addy? [09:28] yeah [09:28] its much faster to do that if you know the person [09:29] hmm [09:30] i have a contact that has like 300 people on his list [09:30] heh [09:32] bob2 = Rob Wier, no? [09:33] Burgundavia: yes === Madpilot has just irritated a "leet" ET player enough to get kicked from a server... ;) [09:35] http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Warsow [09:45] ahh too bad mako's not coming on UBZ [09:45] holy crap wikipedia has some good mappers --> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Karte_baikal2.png [09:45] jsgotangco, no, why not? [09:46] well he said on his blog he's skipping UBZ [09:47] ya, just read that [09:48] grr why are my mp3s playing at twice the speed? [09:48] lol [09:48] because you;re in the future rob^ .... [09:49] according to the clock on the pc I'm three hours into the future too [09:49] wf? [09:49] s/wf?/wtf? [09:49] grr [09:51] haha [09:55] its only doing it in gnome apps [10:11] Burgundavia, ping [10:12] i have an idea [10:12] let's start brainstorming on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterWiki and see if we can make it into a decent spec for some wide-ranging wiki changes [10:14] checking... [10:15] jsgotangco, there is nothing there [10:15] ahhh ok [10:15] but it is an available spec :) [10:15] wow opera just crashed on gmail [10:21] could that spec include things like "move the MOTU/dev/spec pages to a seperate wiki somewhere"? [10:21] dev.ubuntu.com or something [10:22] but doesn't that still need to be a wiki [10:22] so yet another wiki to maintain etc [10:23] yeah, I know, but would get the actual user docs seperated from the dev docs [10:24] Madpilot, the idea was possibly to separate the user docs by moving those [10:24] corey's idea at least [10:24] leaving the main wiki for all those development activities [10:24] yikes... that's a way bigger and messier job than moving the dev stuff [10:24] actually I'm not sure it is [10:25] no? [10:25] I'd assumed that the doc side of the current wiki was larger, but maybe not [10:25] is going to take a bit of work either way [10:25] and moving to our own wiki means we have control [10:26] the other reason to leave the user docs where they are is that people know those URLs already [10:26] Madpilot, i'm not sure, but in any case moving pages is pretty easy with moin [10:27] there are a number of options for the URLs [10:27] anyhow, this sort of thing is what will benefit from some brainstorming on a spec [10:27] just point wiki.u.c to the new wiki, and dev.w.c to the dev one [10:27] err that should be dev.u.c [10:27] rob^, part of my reasoning for moving the docs would be to have them at the same place as the static docs (help.u.c) [10:27] fragmented documentation is bad [10:28] aye [10:28] but won't that mean people will just start new docs on the old wiki [10:28] no extra wikis for me [10:28] ? [10:28] the idea is people can improve and contribute [10:28] I think all we need to do is have normal user accounts limited moreso [10:28] rob^, if we had a wiki at help.u.c it would not be locked down, people can improve and contribute there [10:29] nah, there are more problems than just that [10:29] anyhow, i'll work on the spec for a while, and see if I can convince you [10:29] and myself [10:29] I'll check it out [10:29] setting up moin isn't a trivial task [10:29] it will be set up anyhow [10:30] Madpilot, for an option with regard to the URLs, we tried moving the Italian wiki recently, see e.g. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ItalianSudo for what we did [10:30] and we will need ssh access to the server to properly administer it [10:30] err how do you move between channels in irssi? [10:30] dude [10:30] we have ssh access already [10:30] ? [10:30] yeah [10:30] we do? [10:30] jsgotangco, alt + number or arrow key [10:30] rob^, how the hell do you think all our docs are there? [10:30] well the user at least... [10:31] some asked? [10:31] mdke: ahh nice... [10:31] s/some/someone [10:31] mdke: yeah, I saw the Italian changes to streaming past in RecentChanges [10:31] rob^: i have access but i don't use it [10:31] Madpilot, another option would be to use "refresh" [10:31] although that isn't currently active on our wiki [10:31] how does one accquire access to said server? [10:31] just ask mdke the account... [10:31] rob^, the doc.u.c and help.u.c server is admined by me and henrik [10:32] its just one account really... [10:32] mdke: either way, doing it that way puts an extra layer between people and resources... [10:32] well anyway because it was moved, its another ACL [10:32] the last one was with lindoe [10:32] is it your own server or a shared server? [10:32] rob^: serverpronto [10:32] Madpilot, only for the purposes of the old URLs, there is no extra layer once people get used to the new ones [10:32] ah [10:32] ubuntu paying for it? [10:32] yes [10:32] yes [10:32] nice [10:33] jsgotangco, actually I didn't give you a login yet iirc [10:33] you say i did? [10:33] mdke: no the old one i meant [10:33] not the server pronto [10:33] ah [10:34] no rush [10:34] until we have a use for such [10:34] i'll give you logins to the new one. although please don't use em for heavy backup or anything [10:34] what usernames do you want? [10:34] heavy backup? *shudder* [10:34] heh [10:35] mdke: i'll create a chroot in no time :) joke [10:35] hmm [10:35] hmm I just realised I have an mp3 copy of the hackers movie soundtrack.. [10:35] well we have 100GB left [10:35] how did that get there? [10:35] 100GB of storage? wow [10:36] overkill? [10:36] well if they buy in bulk that's cheap [10:36] yeah [10:36] that is just the package they offered [10:37] mdke: we can try it for baz & bzr expermentation though [10:37] it won't eat up a lot of space and bandwidth [10:37] guess so [10:37] hey would you all prefer me to just do a one page (ie short) faq guide for xubuntu instead of the ug (as per my email)? [10:37] yes, if that :) [10:38] dunno i don't use xfce..didn't like it [10:38] i'd rather use ion2 than that hehehe... [10:38] its pretty nice on older hardware, gnome like environment that doesn't slow your old pc down [10:39] yeah anything gtk runs too [10:40] i will try it [10:40] well its kind of gnome like, as in it uses gtk2 [10:40] but tbh xubuntu is not high priority [10:40] no, its not [10:40] it is not a "partner" as jerome says [10:40] and it has its own guide [10:41] never said it was.. [10:41] unless we see that the guide isn't valid, then i think we should concentrate elsewhere [10:41] well I was thinking of just adding ubuntu related info to it anyway [10:41] well imo rob^ should do as he pleases on xubuntu if he wants too...we can't pin him down to do stuff that interests him :) [10:42] but he's riddled with bugzilla bugs atm :) [10:42] sure [10:42] umm about 10 I think [10:43] wow did trunk shrink? [10:43] its only 180MB now [10:43] yeah either way xubuntu will be low priority, I'd rather see the kubuntu faq guide done first [10:43] compared to the previous 250+ [10:45] i think kde upstream is gone [10:49] ok i'm gonna do some work [10:52] mdke, ok, will do [10:52] mdke, night all === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:17] what happen to BetterWiki? [12:18] it is now BetterWikiDocs [12:18] ah === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.34.203] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.34.203] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [04:53] jbailey, have you made any progress with the merge? can we help? [04:54] mdke: I didn't, sorry. Friday got crazy on me, and I'm still settling in from the weekend. === mdke nods === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.46.163.254] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [n=troy@adsl-70-240-14-115.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:55] slow day? [07:55] :) === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Time to start thinking about Dapper | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Remember the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by rob^ at Sat Oct 22 15:43:50 2005 === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:20] hiya apokryphos [08:20] hey [08:20] how's it going [08:24] going well, getting started on KUDOS -> docbook [08:25] wow, quite a mission [08:25] will be real useful though =) [08:38] yeah right now i'm looking to see what the difference between the FAQ Guide and KUDOS is, how much we can steal :) === karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@adsl-68-255-185-158.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:24] what's there something posted to the list about opening in openoffice and saving in docbook format? === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [10:24] why use that when you have Quanta+ and Kate ;-) [10:25] (good article on Quanta+ as docbook editor not too long ago: http://dot.kde.org/1124997856/ ) [10:25] i use kate right now [10:26] quanta has more features, but has quite a few UI issues [10:26] quite a few anti-kde-ers pick it out as a "bloated program", but really it's just featureful, without a perfect UI :D [10:27] hmm i'll look into it [10:27] http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/tutorials/quanta-docbook/quanta-toolbars.png pretty much sums up a lot of the problems; widgets in widgets