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| fabbione | BenC: ok, i did rename and added more stuff :) go ahead to pull anytime.. | 08:07 |
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| Tode | Hi there | 11:31 |
| Tode | at last I arrived in the good place | 11:31 |
| Tode | (I hope) | 11:31 |
| Tode | I'm working for a company which doing IWB (interzctive White Board) | 11:31 |
| Tode | Of course, the stuff works on Window$, OS X... but not on Linux | 11:32 |
| Tode | I'm product manager for France | 11:32 |
| Tode | I'd like to develop a driver for Linux | 11:32 |
| Tode | GPL of course | 11:32 |
| Tode | I don't have yet the right to give specs | 11:33 |
| Tode | but I'm working on it | 11:33 |
| Tode | as the HQ thinks Linux is not a priority, I think they'll be glad not to have to develop this themselves... | 11:33 |
| Tode | (I hope...) | 11:33 |
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| zul | heylo | 02:37 |
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| fabbione | hey zu | 02:38 |
| fabbione | l | 02:38 |
| zul | did you get my msg yesterday? | 02:41 |
| fabbione | zul: yes, it's fine by me | 02:45 |
| fabbione | the only issue i have is that i still don't know if my mobile phone will work there | 02:45 |
| fabbione | so we need to find a way to meet up | 02:46 |
| zul | well i could call your room | 02:55 |
| fabbione | i think we should talk later with jbailey | 02:58 |
| fabbione | we will probably be around playng turists ;) | 02:59 |
| zul | heh...i been to montreal a couple of times for the summer, my grandmother lived there for a while before she moved away | 03:00 |
| fabbione | i have never been there | 03:03 |
| fabbione | i still need to figure what to visit :) | 03:03 |
| jbailey | fabbione: Montral is well known for its bagels, the fact that it allowed 18 years olds to drink, and the strip clubs in the middle of the office district. =) | 03:21 |
| jbailey | fabbione: I need to spend some time on the wiki today posting StuffAboutMontral | 03:21 |
| fabbione | jbailey: hahah | 03:21 |
| Mithrandir | is it particular for places in .ca that 18 year olds are allowed to drink? | 03:22 |
| jbailey | Mithrandir: Yes. Only Qubec and Alberta allow it. | 03:22 |
| jbailey | Everyone else requires one to be 19. | 03:22 |
| mjg59 | jbailey: What character set are you sending? | 03:22 |
| Mithrandir | jbailey: utf8, I think | 03:22 |
| jbailey | What's funny is that a kid in the youthgroup/sexed class that I used to teach is coming to visit us in Feb for her 18th birthday. Her mom is sending her. =) | 03:23 |
| jbailey | mjg59: Should be utf-8 | 03:23 |
| mjg59 | Hmm. So why can't I see any of your accented characters. | 03:23 |
| mjg59 | Bloody screen. | 03:23 |
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| jbailey | mjg59: I'm in screen too, so if could be confused. | 03:24 |
| mjg59 | 03:25 | |
| Mithrandir | jbailey: it looks good to me, and I know utf8 works for me. | 03:25 |
| mjg59 | Ought to be accented e | 03:25 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: that's double-encoded. | 03:26 |
| mjg59 | Fuckit. | 03:26 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: does come out right for you? | 03:26 |
| jbailey | I think it's wrapped in latin-1 from the output. | 03:26 |
| mjg59 | No | 03:26 |
| mjg59 | Right. Now, where is this going wrong? | 03:26 |
| jbailey | Mithrandir: I see tahat as ae o/ a^o | 03:26 |
| Mithrandir | jbailey: that's correct. | 03:26 |
| Mithrandir | jbailey: our three scandinavian letters. | 03:26 |
| mjg59 | Weird. If I tell screen to do 8859-1, then everything seems to work | 03:26 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: screen probably thinks the window is latin1, then. | 03:27 |
| mjg59 | Except that I'm limited to 8859 characters | 03:27 |
| fabbione | BenC: please git pull ssh://people.ubuntu.com/home/fabbione/public_html/archives/ubuntu-2.6 | 03:27 |
| Mithrandir | 8859 characters should be enough for everyone! | 03:27 |
| fabbione | BenC: RH Cluster updates and OCFS2 | 03:27 |
| mjg59 | Ok, that works now | 03:28 |
| mjg59 | Looks like I forgot -U | 03:28 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: that shouldn't be needed if you have an UTF8 locale | 03:31 |
| mjg59 | Well, I needed to toggle utf8 | 03:33 |
| BenC | fabbione: doing it now | 03:39 |
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| fabbione | BenC: cool | 03:39 |
| fabbione | dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.14-1-amd64-generic' in `../linux-image-2.6.14-1-amd64-generic_2.6.14-1.1_amd64.deb'. | 03:39 |
| fabbione | BenC: we can get there :) | 03:39 |
| fabbione | now we need to configs :) | 03:40 |
| BenC | fabbione: I'm getting the debian config stuff in today | 03:40 |
| fabbione | we also need to decide how we want to release | 03:40 |
| fabbione | because we can't create .udebs yet | 03:40 |
| fabbione | or better we can | 03:40 |
| fabbione | but we need to fix the debian version mistmatch | 03:40 |
| fabbione | i am also getting a few tons of unresolved symbols on ndiswrapper for x86_64 | 03:41 |
| BenC | odd, I'll look into those | 03:41 |
| mjg59 | We should pull in a newer ndiswrapper anyway | 03:41 |
| fabbione | and 2 for zd1211em8300 | 03:41 |
| fabbione | and 2 for zd1211 em8300 | 03:41 |
| mjg59 | And newer zd1211 | 03:41 |
| BenC | I got the newest of everything | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 03:42 |
| BenC | what were the ones for zd1211 and em8300? | 03:42 |
| BenC | guessing they were ieee80211 related | 03:42 |
| fabbione | BenC: there was a file called external-modules in debian/ | 03:43 |
| fabbione | we lost that one in .14 | 03:43 |
| fabbione | it was really useful in combination of uscan-extmod | 03:43 |
| mjg59 | em8300 is a dvd decoder | 03:43 |
| fabbione | to track all external modules | 03:43 |
| BenC | fabbione: I am writing a script to pull the external-modules stuff from git log | 03:43 |
| mjg59 | So probably not ieee80211 | 03:43 |
| fabbione | BenC: ah ok... | 03:44 |
| BenC | fabbione: that's why I wanted the external modules git log setup as it was | 03:44 |
| BenC | less prone to user error, not updating the file and such | 03:44 |
| fabbione | BenC: meh | 03:44 |
| fabbione | i am not sure i did the commit right than | 03:44 |
| fabbione | i used the external-module template to update RedHat Cluster | 03:44 |
| fabbione | but from CVS tehre is no Mask or reference | 03:45 |
| fabbione | and it' not even a pure CVS because there are patches from different branches in CVS | 03:45 |
| BenC | well, then there's no way for it to be in external-modules file either, so no problem | 03:45 |
| fabbione | exactly | 03:46 |
| fabbione | it was there just as reference | 03:46 |
| BenC | Pulling from people.ubuntu.com | 03:47 |
| BenC | Pulling master from fabbione | 03:47 |
| BenC | error: Could not read 72bed2a7edef353db682cd052776761967a3eadf | 03:47 |
| BenC | fatal: bad tree object 72bed2a7edef353db682cd052776761967a3eadf | 03:47 |
| BenC | that's odd | 03:47 |
| fabbione | weird | 03:47 |
| fabbione | let me try to push again | 03:48 |
| fabbione | it says it's updated.. | 03:48 |
| BenC | I don't see that object in any of our git repo's | 03:48 |
| fabbione | no i don't have it either | 03:49 |
| fabbione | something missing from linus? | 03:49 |
| BenC | checking | 03:50 |
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| BenC | I need to go buy my UBZ laptop today :) | 03:54 |
| fabbione | ehehe | 03:55 |
| fabbione | i ordered a powerbook | 03:55 |
| fabbione | but didn't arrive in time | 03:55 |
| fabbione | it will arrive while i am at UBZ :( | 03:55 |
| fabbione | royal suckage | 03:55 |
| dilinger | i'm considering buying an x41 | 03:55 |
| mjg59 | X40 has better battery life than the X41, it seems | 03:56 |
| dilinger | oh/ | 03:56 |
| dilinger | ? | 03:56 |
| fabbione | dilinger: i don't want to see anything i386 related anymore | 03:56 |
| dilinger | fabbione: they're so light, ~3lbs | 03:56 |
| fabbione | dilinger: i am strong enough to lift weight :) | 03:56 |
| BenC | I think I'll be gettng a powerbook aswell | 03:57 |
| BenC | at the very least, an amd64 | 03:57 |
| fabbione | BenC: be careful if you buy a powerbook | 03:57 |
| dilinger | fabbione: my commute to work involves a 30 min walk each way. the lighter my laptop, the better :) | 03:57 |
| fabbione | because the new serie just come out | 03:57 |
| fabbione | dilinger: my commute is about 20 secs walk :) | 03:57 |
| fabbione | HOLY COW | 03:58 |
| fabbione | it has been shipped | 03:58 |
| fabbione | it might arrive tomorrow! | 03:58 |
| fabbione | no | 03:58 |
| fabbione | for sure it will arrive the 26th | 03:58 |
| jbailey | dilinger: I sort of miss the 30 minute walk to work. =) It means I have to remember to exercise. =) | 03:58 |
| dilinger | jbailey: it's not a very nice walk. past the hole that was the world trade center, through a wind tunnel... :/ | 03:59 |
| jbailey | dilinger: Sure, but I miss NYC. =) | 04:01 |
| jbailey | dilinger: Have they started building there yet? | 04:02 |
| BenC | fabbione: wow, your git tree is borked | 04:02 |
| dilinger | yea | 04:02 |
| BenC | fabbione: run "git-fsck-objects" | 04:02 |
| fabbione | BenC: borked how? | 04:03 |
| dilinger | it looks like they're just getting scaffolding up | 04:03 |
| BenC | fabbione: no idea, but git-fsck-objects should show a whole lot (like 3-4 lines on my tree) | 04:03 |
| fabbione | BenC: i get 4 entries | 04:03 |
| fabbione | dangling tag a1aeb6f9e4306b1a62629c56197eea65afd372b3 | 04:03 |
| fabbione | dangling commit ba9e358fd04190a59e605c2963a15e014139a707 | 04:03 |
| fabbione | dangling tag c08359b174c3b3a175979f81cc786c791f74c852 | 04:03 |
| fabbione | dangling tag f92737b18abac90af30ac26a050fda879c9b238b | 04:03 |
| fabbione | that's it | 04:03 |
| BenC | your one on rookery isn't so clean | 04:04 |
| fabbione | BenC: i only push there | 04:04 |
| BenC | several doze screen fulls before I just hit ^C | 04:04 |
| fabbione | i can still nuke it and repush it | 04:04 |
| BenC | and | 04:04 |
| BenC | yeah, that sounds good | 04:04 |
| fabbione | BenC: can you remember the git clone options for it? | 04:05 |
| BenC | -n -s -l | 04:05 |
| fabbione | pushing now again | 04:07 |
| fabbione | BenC: done | 04:08 |
| fabbione | you can try to pull | 04:08 |
| BenC | working now | 04:09 |
| fabbione | i don't understand why tho | 04:09 |
| BenC | the downside of git...very untested | 04:10 |
| BenC | ok, as soon as this pull is done, I'll push it back out to k.o | 04:11 |
| fabbione | ok | 04:11 |
| BenC | thanks | 04:11 |
| fabbione | for what? :) | 04:11 |
| BenC | for getting the last two major drivers in the tree and getting debian/rules cleaned up :) | 04:12 |
| fabbione | there is still a lot that can be cleaned | 04:12 |
| BenC | I'm sure I'll be getting neck deep in the build today | 04:17 |
| fabbione | BenC: amd64 builds :) | 04:20 |
| fabbione | tomorrow i will do an i386 build and test | 04:20 |
| infinity | When you guys get half-ass sane and working builds going, I'd love a pointer to some pre-built i386 packages, so I can start wrangling the new version of linux-restricted-modules to build with the new kernel. | 04:22 |
| infinity | I have a feeling some hackery on my part will be required, and I'd rather clear it up as soon as I can. | 04:22 |
| fabbione | infinity: yup | 04:22 |
| fabbione | anyway i am off for a little nap | 04:24 |
| fabbione | head is exploding | 04:24 |
| BenC | infinity: I'm hoping to have a really solid build before I got to UBZ this weekend | 04:24 |
| BenC | later fab | 04:24 |
| zul | BenC: B | 05:07 |
| BenC | hey zul | 05:10 |
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| zul | er...did you get my msg last night | 05:29 |
| BenC | guess not :) | 05:30 |
| zul | i was thinking since im going to be in montreal on saturday why dont a few of us get together for dinner | 05:31 |
| BenC | I wont be there until Sunday | 05:31 |
| zul | ah never mind then :) | 05:31 |
| BenC | will yu be around then? | 05:32 |
| zul | yeah i will..ill be there until 2 and then i have to head back to ottawa | 05:34 |
| zul | i have very expensive hockey tickets for that night ;0 | 05:36 |
| mkrufky | benc: am i correct in assuming that you will stop git merges from upstream once 2.6.14 mainline gets released? (with the exception of 2.6.14.y merges) | 05:38 |
| mkrufky | ( i can already see some of my patches got merged into your tree 99 minutes ago ;-) | 05:38 |
| BenC | mkrufky: depends if we decide to move on to 2.6.15 or not | 05:39 |
| BenC | I think if we do frequent releases, we can keep moving | 05:40 |
| mkrufky | okay, that makes sense.... I kind of assumed that you would be working against 2.6.14 for released until 2.6.15 becomes stable | 05:42 |
| mkrufky | s/released/releases | 05:42 |
| mkrufky | there are a whole bunch of radical changes on the table for 2.6.15, so i think this one is going to have a long dev cycle | 05:42 |
| fabbione | re | 05:43 |
| mkrufky | anyhow, I figured I would wait for 2.6.14 official release before I send patches your way. There isnt any time constraints that I should be worried about is there? | 05:44 |
| fabbione | mkrufky: yes.. you need to take into account the release schedule | 05:45 |
| mkrufky | is it posted anywhere? | 05:46 |
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| fabbione | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule?highlight=%28dapper%29 | 05:46 |
| mkrufky | perfect, thanx | 05:46 |
| mkrufky | hmm... if you are going to continue to take post-2.6.14 merges, then it will not be necessary for me to send you any patches....... | 05:48 |
| mkrufky | the whole reason why i was going to do this was so that ubuntu users wouldn't have to mess with cvs in order to get support for new v4l/dvb hardware .... It looks like it might not be necessary, because we will probably be sending our next patchset to linus before your code-freeze | 05:50 |
| fabbione | mkrufky: we will see how it goes | 05:50 |
| mkrufky | we will be sending within 2 weeks of 2.6.14 release | 05:50 |
| mkrufky | yup | 05:50 |
| dilinger | how serious are people about keeping upstream versions frozen instead of taking another snapshot of sid, as jdub's email mentioned? | 05:50 |
| fabbione | dilinger: read the above url | 05:51 |
| fabbione | jdub has been overruled by * | 05:51 |
| mkrufky | anyhow, if somehow we miss the cutoff, there are only 2 post-2.6.14 patches that i am concerned about hitting the distros ... I guess we'll deal with it when the time comes | 05:51 |
| BenC | mkrufky: is v4l/dbd using git yet? | 05:52 |
| BenC | dvb | 05:52 |
| mkrufky | I am going to set up my own git repository, but we will not have an official one for a while | 05:52 |
| mkrufky | the problem is: | 05:52 |
| mkrufky | v4l is like an umbrella subsystem | 05:52 |
| mkrufky | dvb is its own subsystem | 05:53 |
| mkrufky | but we depend on each other | 05:53 |
| dilinger | fabbione: excellent | 05:53 |
| dilinger | fabbione: that just seemed like a bad idea :) | 05:53 |
| mkrufky | v4l is absorbing ivtv, in addition to some other subsystems | 05:53 |
| mkrufky | and it is problematic for a single maintainer to handle | 05:53 |
| mkrufky | this is the reason why we dont have a git repo yet | 05:53 |
| mkrufky | I want to set one up, to see how it goes, all i need is a server to host it on | 05:54 |
| mkrufky | if all works out, we can eventually migrate all development to -git | 05:54 |
| BenC | mkrufky: email ftp-admin@kernel.org and ask for an account there | 05:54 |
| mkrufky | is it really that simple? | 05:55 |
| mkrufky | i will do it :-D | 05:55 |
| BenC | email them a username, a gpg key, an ssh pub key, and your reason fort an account | 05:55 |
| mkrufky | s/gpg/pgp , right? | 05:55 |
| BenC | doesn't really matter | 05:56 |
| BenC | no one uses pgp though :) | 05:56 |
| mkrufky | hmmm... then i dont know what gpg is | 05:56 |
| BenC | GnuPG | 05:56 |
| mkrufky | lol i should have known | 05:57 |
| BenC | the free pgp :) | 05:57 |
| mkrufky | heh | 05:57 |
| mkrufky | okay, well i'll send them an email later on..... I think that having a "media" tree that would centralize all the dvb/v4l/usbvision stuff would make it a lot easier for us to spot regressions, etc... I'll let u know when thats ready | 05:58 |
| BenC | then I can easily pull from it | 05:59 |
| mkrufky | ya i think it will make things MUCH easier for everyone | 06:00 |
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| mkrufky | :-) | 06:00 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-kernel: Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | New git tree for dapper: git clone rsync://rsync.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git ubuntu-2.6 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide | ||
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| fabbione | BenC: 2 questions.. how are we going to stop autopulling from linus tree? and how can you do cherry picking in git? | 08:01 |
| BenC | you shouldn't be auto-pulling from linus | 08:02 |
| BenC | git pull may read objects from linus, but it doesn't pull them in | 08:02 |
| BenC | I'll have to read up on cherry-picking, but I know it's possible | 08:03 |
| BenC | Dynamically convert lock's to nop's on UP machines (SMP2UP) [N/y/?] (NEW) | 08:03 |
| BenC | this will be an interesting test | 08:03 |
| === dilinger grins | ||
| dilinger | is that patch in your repo? | 08:04 |
| dilinger | or online somewhere/ | 08:04 |
| dilinger | ? | 08:04 |
| BenC | search google for "Speedup SMP kernel on UP box" | 08:04 |
| BenC | very old patch that I want to test for dapper | 08:04 |
| fabbione | ah | 08:05 |
| fabbione | nice | 08:05 |
| BenC | probably commit it, but not have it enabled for first release | 08:05 |
| fabbione | (the patch) | 08:05 |
| fabbione | BenC: i suggest you enable as much crack as possible in the beginning instead | 08:05 |
| fabbione | because it's the best moment to crash test the kernel | 08:05 |
| BenC | true | 08:06 |
| fabbione | we will have a couple of months to play hard. probably less | 08:06 |
| fabbione | after that we need to stabilize | 08:06 |
| fabbione | so it's much better to use this time in the best way as possible | 08:06 |
| fabbione | also because the first uploads will not expose .14 as default kernel | 08:07 |
| fabbione | we can decide when to force it as such | 08:07 |
| fabbione | so it will in Universe -> not supported.. for a little while.. and that's DOH! a case ;) | 08:07 |
| dilinger | BenC: so Paul Gortmaker's patch w/ Dan Jacobowitz's modification? | 08:08 |
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| BenC | yes | 08:18 |
| BenC | I should add a command line option to allow for forcing the option on/off for testing | 08:19 |
| fabbione | BenC: nah.. let's just push it | 08:19 |
| fabbione | we can make these kind of adjustment later on | 08:19 |
| fabbione | and probably add a TODO list in debian/ | 08:19 |
| BenC | fabbione: no, I want it on by default, but I want to make it easy for someone to do "smp2up=off" to see if the problem they are having is related to this feature | 08:22 |
| BenC | no sense in making it hard to debug | 08:22 |
| fabbione | right | 08:22 |
| BenC | fabbione: split config stuff from debian package is working now | 08:23 |
| BenC | i386 configs done | 08:23 |
| fabbione | cool | 08:23 |
| BenC | I'll have all the arch's compilable by tonight | 08:23 |
| BenC | except for hppa of course :) | 08:23 |
| fabbione | yeah | 08:24 |
| BenC | smoke break | 08:24 |
| fabbione | we need to talk with lamont about it | 08:24 |
| fabbione | ehehe | 08:24 |
| fabbione | enjoy | 08:24 |
| fabbione | film break | 08:24 |
| fabbione | before conference call | 08:24 |
| fabbione | later | 08:24 |
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| fabbione | dilinger: did you add the OpenAFS bits to the wiki? | 09:10 |
| fabbione | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs <- ? | 09:10 |
| dilinger | yes | 09:11 |
| fabbione | dilinger: you want to link it to launchpad and write a spec from the spec template | 09:11 |
| dilinger | i can, but not right now | 09:11 |
| fabbione | it's enough you do it before the 27th afaik | 09:12 |
| fabbione | otherwise it will not be scheduled | 09:12 |
| dilinger | ok | 09:12 |
| fabbione | the sooner the better | 09:12 |
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| dilinger | hm | 09:59 |
| dilinger | perhaps i should make it a goal to sign my keys from UDU before going to UBZ :) | 09:59 |
| fabbione | dilinger: good point :) | 10:00 |
| dilinger | any ideas when we'll find out about the schedule? | 10:07 |
| dilinger | i doubt i can take the whole week off, and i'd like to be there for openafs, kernel related, and patch feeding bofs | 10:07 |
| fabbione | dilinger: probably in few days | 10:09 |
| fabbione | i expect a draft the 27/28 | 10:10 |
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| dilinger | that would be nice | 10:10 |
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| zul | later | 10:59 |
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