=== johnm [n=johnm@gentoo/developer/johnm] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === johnm [n=johnm@83.218.6.121] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === johnm [n=johnm@gentoo/developer/johnm] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === johnm [n=johnm@gentoo/developer/johnm] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:07] BenC: ok, i did rename and added more stuff :) go ahead to pull anytime.. === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-176-89.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === smurf [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Tode [n=Tode@did75-1-81-57-21-182.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:31] Hi there [11:31] at last I arrived in the good place [11:31] (I hope) [11:31] I'm working for a company which doing IWB (interzctive White Board) [11:32] Of course, the stuff works on Window$, OS X... but not on Linux [11:32] I'm product manager for France [11:32] I'd like to develop a driver for Linux [11:32] GPL of course [11:33] I don't have yet the right to give specs [11:33] but I'm working on it [11:33] as the HQ thinks Linux is not a priority, I think they'll be glad not to have to develop this themselves... [11:33] (I hope...) === Tode [n=Tode@did75-1-81-57-21-182.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] === jayakumar2 [n=jayakuma@203.114.48.42] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Tode [n=Tode@did75-1-81-57-21-182.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Tode_ [n=Tode@did75-1-81-57-21-182.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lathiat [i=lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] === zul [n=chuck@fpott03.dinmar.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:37] heylo === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:38] hey zu [02:38] l [02:41] did you get my msg yesterday? [02:45] zul: yes, it's fine by me [02:45] the only issue i have is that i still don't know if my mobile phone will work there [02:46] so we need to find a way to meet up [02:55] well i could call your room [02:58] i think we should talk later with jbailey [02:59] we will probably be around playng turists ;) [03:00] heh...i been to montreal a couple of times for the summer, my grandmother lived there for a while before she moved away [03:03] i have never been there [03:03] i still need to figure what to visit :) [03:21] fabbione: Montral is well known for its bagels, the fact that it allowed 18 years olds to drink, and the strip clubs in the middle of the office district. =) [03:21] fabbione: I need to spend some time on the wiki today posting StuffAboutMontral [03:21] jbailey: hahah [03:22] is it particular for places in .ca that 18 year olds are allowed to drink? [03:22] Mithrandir: Yes. Only Qubec and Alberta allow it. [03:22] Everyone else requires one to be 19. [03:22] jbailey: What character set are you sending? [03:22] jbailey: utf8, I think [03:23] What's funny is that a kid in the youthgroup/sexed class that I used to teach is coming to visit us in Feb for her 18th birthday. Her mom is sending her. =) [03:23] mjg59: Should be utf-8 [03:23] Hmm. So why can't I see any of your accented characters. [03:23] Bloody screen. === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-16-175-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:24] mjg59: I'm in screen too, so if could be confused. [03:25] [03:25] jbailey: it looks good to me, and I know utf8 works for me. [03:25] Ought to be accented e [03:26] mjg59: that's double-encoded. [03:26] Fuckit. [03:26] mjg59: does come out right for you? [03:26] I think it's wrapped in latin-1 from the output. [03:26] No [03:26] Right. Now, where is this going wrong? [03:26] Mithrandir: I see tahat as ae o/ a^o [03:26] jbailey: that's correct. [03:26] jbailey: our three scandinavian letters. [03:26] Weird. If I tell screen to do 8859-1, then everything seems to work [03:27] mjg59: screen probably thinks the window is latin1, then. [03:27] Except that I'm limited to 8859 characters [03:27] BenC: please git pull ssh://people.ubuntu.com/home/fabbione/public_html/archives/ubuntu-2.6 [03:27] 8859 characters should be enough for everyone! [03:27] BenC: RH Cluster updates and OCFS2 [03:28] Ok, that works now [03:28] Looks like I forgot -U [03:31] mjg59: that shouldn't be needed if you have an UTF8 locale [03:33] Well, I needed to toggle utf8 [03:39] fabbione: doing it now === johnm [n=johnm@gentoo/developer/johnm] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:39] BenC: cool [03:39] dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.14-1-amd64-generic' in `../linux-image-2.6.14-1-amd64-generic_2.6.14-1.1_amd64.deb'. [03:39] BenC: we can get there :) [03:40] now we need to configs :) [03:40] fabbione: I'm getting the debian config stuff in today [03:40] we also need to decide how we want to release [03:40] because we can't create .udebs yet [03:40] or better we can [03:40] but we need to fix the debian version mistmatch [03:41] i am also getting a few tons of unresolved symbols on ndiswrapper for x86_64 [03:41] odd, I'll look into those [03:41] We should pull in a newer ndiswrapper anyway [03:41] and 2 for zd1211em8300 [03:41] and 2 for zd1211 em8300 [03:41] And newer zd1211 [03:42] I got the newest of everything [03:42] Ok [03:42] what were the ones for zd1211 and em8300? [03:42] guessing they were ieee80211 related [03:43] BenC: there was a file called external-modules in debian/ [03:43] we lost that one in .14 [03:43] it was really useful in combination of uscan-extmod [03:43] em8300 is a dvd decoder [03:43] to track all external modules [03:43] fabbione: I am writing a script to pull the external-modules stuff from git log [03:43] So probably not ieee80211 [03:44] BenC: ah ok... [03:44] fabbione: that's why I wanted the external modules git log setup as it was [03:44] less prone to user error, not updating the file and such [03:44] BenC: meh [03:44] i am not sure i did the commit right than [03:44] i used the external-module template to update RedHat Cluster [03:45] but from CVS tehre is no Mask or reference [03:45] and it' not even a pure CVS because there are patches from different branches in CVS [03:45] well, then there's no way for it to be in external-modules file either, so no problem [03:46] exactly [03:46] it was there just as reference [03:47] Pulling from people.ubuntu.com [03:47] Pulling master from fabbione [03:47] error: Could not read 72bed2a7edef353db682cd052776761967a3eadf [03:47] fatal: bad tree object 72bed2a7edef353db682cd052776761967a3eadf [03:47] that's odd [03:47] weird [03:48] let me try to push again [03:48] it says it's updated.. [03:48] I don't see that object in any of our git repo's [03:49] no i don't have it either [03:49] something missing from linus? [03:50] checking === fabbione starts preparing the laptop for UBZ [03:54] I need to go buy my UBZ laptop today :) [03:55] ehehe [03:55] i ordered a powerbook [03:55] but didn't arrive in time [03:55] it will arrive while i am at UBZ :( [03:55] royal suckage [03:55] i'm considering buying an x41 [03:56] X40 has better battery life than the X41, it seems [03:56] oh/ [03:56] ? [03:56] dilinger: i don't want to see anything i386 related anymore [03:56] fabbione: they're so light, ~3lbs [03:56] dilinger: i am strong enough to lift weight :) [03:57] I think I'll be gettng a powerbook aswell [03:57] at the very least, an amd64 [03:57] BenC: be careful if you buy a powerbook [03:57] fabbione: my commute to work involves a 30 min walk each way. the lighter my laptop, the better :) [03:57] because the new serie just come out [03:57] dilinger: my commute is about 20 secs walk :) [03:58] HOLY COW [03:58] it has been shipped [03:58] it might arrive tomorrow! [03:58] no [03:58] for sure it will arrive the 26th [03:58] dilinger: I sort of miss the 30 minute walk to work. =) It means I have to remember to exercise. =) [03:59] jbailey: it's not a very nice walk. past the hole that was the world trade center, through a wind tunnel... :/ [04:01] dilinger: Sure, but I miss NYC. =) [04:02] dilinger: Have they started building there yet? [04:02] fabbione: wow, your git tree is borked [04:02] yea [04:02] fabbione: run "git-fsck-objects" [04:03] BenC: borked how? [04:03] it looks like they're just getting scaffolding up [04:03] fabbione: no idea, but git-fsck-objects should show a whole lot (like 3-4 lines on my tree) [04:03] BenC: i get 4 entries [04:03] dangling tag a1aeb6f9e4306b1a62629c56197eea65afd372b3 [04:03] dangling commit ba9e358fd04190a59e605c2963a15e014139a707 [04:03] dangling tag c08359b174c3b3a175979f81cc786c791f74c852 [04:03] dangling tag f92737b18abac90af30ac26a050fda879c9b238b [04:03] that's it [04:04] your one on rookery isn't so clean [04:04] BenC: i only push there [04:04] several doze screen fulls before I just hit ^C [04:04] i can still nuke it and repush it [04:04] and [04:04] yeah, that sounds good [04:05] BenC: can you remember the git clone options for it? [04:05] -n -s -l [04:07] pushing now again [04:08] BenC: done [04:08] you can try to pull [04:09] working now [04:09] i don't understand why tho [04:10] the downside of git...very untested [04:11] ok, as soon as this pull is done, I'll push it back out to k.o [04:11] ok [04:11] thanks [04:11] for what? :) [04:12] for getting the last two major drivers in the tree and getting debian/rules cleaned up :) [04:12] there is still a lot that can be cleaned [04:17] I'm sure I'll be getting neck deep in the build today [04:20] BenC: amd64 builds :) [04:20] tomorrow i will do an i386 build and test [04:22] When you guys get half-ass sane and working builds going, I'd love a pointer to some pre-built i386 packages, so I can start wrangling the new version of linux-restricted-modules to build with the new kernel. [04:22] I have a feeling some hackery on my part will be required, and I'd rather clear it up as soon as I can. [04:22] infinity: yup [04:24] anyway i am off for a little nap [04:24] head is exploding [04:24] infinity: I'm hoping to have a really solid build before I got to UBZ this weekend [04:24] later fab [05:07] BenC: B [05:10] hey zul === mkrufky [n=mk@68.160.103.77] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:29] er...did you get my msg last night [05:30] guess not :) [05:31] i was thinking since im going to be in montreal on saturday why dont a few of us get together for dinner [05:31] I wont be there until Sunday [05:31] ah never mind then :) [05:32] will yu be around then? [05:34] yeah i will..ill be there until 2 and then i have to head back to ottawa [05:36] i have very expensive hockey tickets for that night ;0 [05:38] benc: am i correct in assuming that you will stop git merges from upstream once 2.6.14 mainline gets released? (with the exception of 2.6.14.y merges) [05:38] ( i can already see some of my patches got merged into your tree 99 minutes ago ;-) [05:39] mkrufky: depends if we decide to move on to 2.6.15 or not [05:40] I think if we do frequent releases, we can keep moving [05:42] okay, that makes sense.... I kind of assumed that you would be working against 2.6.14 for released until 2.6.15 becomes stable [05:42] s/released/releases [05:42] there are a whole bunch of radical changes on the table for 2.6.15, so i think this one is going to have a long dev cycle [05:43] re [05:44] anyhow, I figured I would wait for 2.6.14 official release before I send patches your way. There isnt any time constraints that I should be worried about is there? [05:45] mkrufky: yes.. you need to take into account the release schedule [05:46] is it posted anywhere? === mkrufky didnt see it in the ubuntu kernel wiki [05:46] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule?highlight=%28dapper%29 [05:46] perfect, thanx [05:48] hmm... if you are going to continue to take post-2.6.14 merges, then it will not be necessary for me to send you any patches....... [05:50] the whole reason why i was going to do this was so that ubuntu users wouldn't have to mess with cvs in order to get support for new v4l/dvb hardware .... It looks like it might not be necessary, because we will probably be sending our next patchset to linus before your code-freeze [05:50] mkrufky: we will see how it goes [05:50] we will be sending within 2 weeks of 2.6.14 release [05:50] yup [05:50] how serious are people about keeping upstream versions frozen instead of taking another snapshot of sid, as jdub's email mentioned? [05:51] dilinger: read the above url [05:51] jdub has been overruled by * [05:51] anyhow, if somehow we miss the cutoff, there are only 2 post-2.6.14 patches that i am concerned about hitting the distros ... I guess we'll deal with it when the time comes [05:52] mkrufky: is v4l/dbd using git yet? [05:52] dvb [05:52] I am going to set up my own git repository, but we will not have an official one for a while [05:52] the problem is: [05:52] v4l is like an umbrella subsystem [05:53] dvb is its own subsystem [05:53] but we depend on each other [05:53] fabbione: excellent [05:53] fabbione: that just seemed like a bad idea :) [05:53] v4l is absorbing ivtv, in addition to some other subsystems [05:53] and it is problematic for a single maintainer to handle [05:53] this is the reason why we dont have a git repo yet [05:54] I want to set one up, to see how it goes, all i need is a server to host it on [05:54] if all works out, we can eventually migrate all development to -git [05:54] mkrufky: email ftp-admin@kernel.org and ask for an account there [05:55] is it really that simple? [05:55] i will do it :-D [05:55] email them a username, a gpg key, an ssh pub key, and your reason fort an account [05:55] s/gpg/pgp , right? [05:56] doesn't really matter [05:56] no one uses pgp though :) [05:56] hmmm... then i dont know what gpg is [05:56] GnuPG [05:57] lol i should have known [05:57] the free pgp :) [05:57] heh [05:58] okay, well i'll send them an email later on..... I think that having a "media" tree that would centralize all the dvb/v4l/usbvision stuff would make it a lot easier for us to spot regressions, etc... I'll let u know when thats ready [05:59] then I can easily pull from it [06:00] ya i think it will make things MUCH easier for everyone === mkrufky just doesnt wanna step on anyone's toes [06:00] :-) === johnm_ [n=johnm@gentoo/developer/johnm] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Topic for #ubuntu-kernel: Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | New git tree for dapper: git clone rsync://rsync.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git ubuntu-2.6 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide === Topic (#ubuntu-kernel): set by fabbione at Sat Oct 22 06:27:55 2005 [08:01] BenC: 2 questions.. how are we going to stop autopulling from linus tree? and how can you do cherry picking in git? [08:02] you shouldn't be auto-pulling from linus [08:02] git pull may read objects from linus, but it doesn't pull them in [08:03] I'll have to read up on cherry-picking, but I know it's possible [08:03] Dynamically convert lock's to nop's on UP machines (SMP2UP) [N/y/?] (NEW) [08:03] this will be an interesting test === dilinger grins [08:04] is that patch in your repo? [08:04] or online somewhere/ [08:04] ? [08:04] search google for "Speedup SMP kernel on UP box" [08:04] very old patch that I want to test for dapper [08:05] ah [08:05] nice [08:05] probably commit it, but not have it enabled for first release [08:05] (the patch) [08:05] BenC: i suggest you enable as much crack as possible in the beginning instead [08:05] because it's the best moment to crash test the kernel [08:06] true [08:06] we will have a couple of months to play hard. probably less [08:06] after that we need to stabilize [08:06] so it's much better to use this time in the best way as possible [08:07] also because the first uploads will not expose .14 as default kernel [08:07] we can decide when to force it as such [08:07] so it will in Universe -> not supported.. for a little while.. and that's DOH! a case ;) [08:08] BenC: so Paul Gortmaker's patch w/ Dan Jacobowitz's modification? === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-16-175-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] [08:18] yes [08:19] I should add a command line option to allow for forcing the option on/off for testing [08:19] BenC: nah.. let's just push it [08:19] we can make these kind of adjustment later on [08:19] and probably add a TODO list in debian/ [08:22] fabbione: no, I want it on by default, but I want to make it easy for someone to do "smp2up=off" to see if the problem they are having is related to this feature [08:22] no sense in making it hard to debug [08:22] right [08:23] fabbione: split config stuff from debian package is working now [08:23] i386 configs done [08:23] cool [08:23] I'll have all the arch's compilable by tonight [08:23] except for hppa of course :) [08:24] yeah [08:24] smoke break [08:24] we need to talk with lamont about it [08:24] ehehe [08:24] enjoy [08:24] film break [08:24] before conference call [08:24] later === mkrufky is now known as mkrufky-work === karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:10] dilinger: did you add the OpenAFS bits to the wiki? [09:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs <- ? [09:11] yes [09:11] dilinger: you want to link it to launchpad and write a spec from the spec template [09:11] i can, but not right now [09:12] it's enough you do it before the 27th afaik [09:12] otherwise it will not be scheduled [09:12] ok [09:12] the sooner the better === lamont [n=lamont@mib.fc.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:59] hm [09:59] perhaps i should make it a goal to sign my keys from UDU before going to UBZ :) [10:00] dilinger: good point :) [10:07] any ideas when we'll find out about the schedule? [10:07] i doubt i can take the whole week off, and i'd like to be there for openafs, kernel related, and patch feeding bofs [10:09] dilinger: probably in few days [10:10] i expect a draft the 27/28 === mkrufky-work is now known as mkrufky [10:10] that would be nice === mdz [n=mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:59] later === doko [n=doko@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mkrufky [n=mk@68.160.103.77] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel