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theineHi, if I install vflib3, I get the following error message many times:01:54
theineDebian::Defoma::Id::defoma_id_register at line 37 in /var/lib/defoma/scripts/vflib3.defoma: (AlMothnna Bold, /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-arabeyes/ae_AlMothnna_bold.ttf, 20): Illegal argument.01:54
theineMany times but each time for a different font that is01:55
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KyralOoops, hit the wrong button....02:44
LaserJockoops ;-)02:45
KyralQuite interesting experiment. I was in the computer labs and I started an Ethereal trace. While it was tracing I portscanned my computer in my room with nmap02:46
KyralWhile the nmap results were what I expected (SSH was open, which was expected because I set my iptables to let me SSH from those labs)02:48
Kyralthe Ethereal trace was most interesting02:49
LaserJockKyral: how so?02:54
KyralAll the packets it fired at my computer02:55
Kyralit was a flood!02:55
lifelesswhat did you expect ?02:57
KyralWell, what was better was that they were all dropped ;P02:58
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KyralThis is boring. I can't wait for Dapper to open. I'm not used to not having updates for weeks03:04
ajmitchKyral: sid03:05
KyralNah, it would be too hard to get to it from my current config, though it would be interesting03:06
KyralI mean is it just me or have no updates been released in like the past few weeks?03:12
ajmitchno updates for..?03:13
KyralBreezy03:13
ajmitchthe last one I saw for breezy was 3 days ago03:13
Kyralif there have been it hasn't been for anything I have03:14
ajmitchprobably not03:14
ajmitchit's only critical fixes03:14
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Kyralyah...after months of loads of daily updates, it feels wierd not having them03:14
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\shmoins08:50
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pefhello09:09
Treenaksg'morning09:10
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dholbachgood morning09:47
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lucashi dholbach09:53
dholbachhai lucas09:53
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dholbachhellas ogra09:54
zygahey ogra, lucas, dholbach in fifo order09:56
dholbach:)09:56
siretartmorning MOTUS!09:57
Mortasmoin09:57
dholbachhey reinhard, hey mortas09:57
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_Tonio_morning all10:08
dholbachhey _Tonio_10:11
_Tonio_fine ?10:12
_Tonio_dholbach: We finally organised with JRe and a few personns on #kubuntu-fr and we have build a little repo10:12
_Tonio_backporting to breezy and submitting a maximum packages for dapper ;)10:13
dholbachwhy do you do an own repo?10:13
_Tonio_why ?10:13
dholbachwe have an official backports team now10:13
_Tonio_yep, but how to submit packages ?10:13
dholbachwe can mail to ubuntubackports@ and let stuff be backported10:13
_Tonio_well I'd be glad to add them to the backports10:13
dholbachstuff that is in the archive can be backported (if it makes sense)10:14
dholbachrevu is the other way to submit packages10:14
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_Tonio_dholbach: isn't backports supposed to be for already packages applications ?10:15
dholbachfor stuff that is already in the archive yet10:16
dholbachyes10:16
_Tonio_okay, in fact we are going to submit all of those packages or dapper10:16
_Tonio_and provide a breezy version10:16
dholbachhrm10:16
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_Tonio_dholbach: I can understand10:17
_Tonio_but well, if those cannot be added to the backports......10:17
_Tonio_getting wlassistant or codeine packages can be interesting for breezy users waiting for dapper ;)10:17
dholbachi think we should test stuff a bit in dapper10:18
dholbachbut ok, i can't stop you from doing it :)10:18
_Tonio_but anyway, if you have another solution than building a repo, I'd be glad to go in another way10:18
dholbachnone that would make you happy10:18
_Tonio_dholbach: understand me, I've done a repo because backports isn't supposed to host new packages ;)10:18
dholbach*nod*10:19
_Tonio_our goal is to see all our packages in universe10:19
_Tonio_that's the goal and will always be ;)10:19
dholbachthe problem is: what will do with bug reports? ask first from which repo they are?10:19
_Tonio_yes I understand this............10:19
siretart_Tonio_: I'd also suggest getting your stuff/packages into dapper, and ensure that the source package also builds in breezy10:20
siretart_Tonio_: and you'll get official backports for free10:20
_Tonio_siretart: that's what we're gonna do10:20
_Tonio_but getting a package in dapper can take month ;)10:20
_Tonio_in fact any package added to dapper would be deleted10:21
siretart_Tonio_: then we should work on this problem10:21
dholbachthat's life10:21
_Tonio_dholbach: ;)10:21
dholbachhonestly, we work a lot to get rid of external repos10:21
dholbachbecause they're a bit problematic10:22
dholbachwe worked hard to integrate backports into ubuntu itself (as an official project)10:22
_Tonio_yep10:22
dholbachbefore each release, we try to integrate as much from apt-get.org as possible10:22
dholbachand we have a big bunch of MOTUs who try to get in the best of the OSS world as a package10:22
dholbachyou know that packages in external repos get stale10:23
dholbachand they're often buggy (no offense towards you, you do a good job)10:23
_Tonio_no but I know that you're right....10:23
dholbachand to ask in a bug tracker "where did you get the package" is really not, what i want to do as a standard question10:23
dholbachi understand, that users press us to get as much software out as possible10:24
_Tonio_the problem is that you know, it is VERY frustrating to see that an application that is not added at the release date will probably never be, until in the next version10:24
_Tonio_;)10:24
dholbachand that we are all annoyed after waiting for reviews/...10:24
_Tonio_no but I understand your point of view.....10:24
dholbachbut that's necessary to ensure quality10:24
dholbachthat's how we invite people to play with dapper10:25
dholbachbecause that's the development cycle10:25
_Tonio_yep, I'll send that log to JRe if you don't mind10:25
dholbachno problem... i can't stop you from doing it, really10:25
_Tonio_well the goal will not change, but we may use the repo only for private use10:25
_Tonio_dholbach: I wanna contribute, not creating problems :)10:26
dholbachyeah10:26
dholbachi'll try to help you achieving that goal10:26
Lathiati guess the problem here is that the backports mandate is only to backport new packages from dapper right? as such theres a hole people want to fill10:26
_Tonio_the goal will be the same, the result will be the same, except that we will have to wait for the packages to be added ;)10:26
_Tonio_patience10:26
_Tonio_but that's better for everyone and I perfectly understand this10:27
dholbach /me hugs _Tonio_ :)10:27
_Tonio_dholbach: ^_^10:27
_Tonio_what could be interesting is maybe allow some new packages in backports10:28
dholbachthat should be discussed on ubuntu-{devel,backports}@10:28
_Tonio_I mean, it is said and know that backports repos are not safe for stability10:28
_Tonio_and there has been new packages in backports in the past10:28
_Tonio_remember java, w32codecs and many more10:28
dholbacherm10:28
dholbachthose were the unofficial ones10:28
dholbachwe can't ship sun java and w32*10:29
_Tonio_yes... rules are today different10:29
dholbachah ok, yes10:29
_Tonio_dholbach: understand me, many many people for example are using wifi10:29
_Tonio_and one of the best tools for this (and maybe the only one for kde) is wlassistant10:30
dholbachi understand that perfectly10:30
dholbachsome of my packages weren't brought in either10:30
_Tonio_the package didn't go in universe for lack of time reasons that I can understand10:30
dholbachi'd say, get it into dapper asap10:30
dholbachthe archive isnt open yet, so we could do some reviews too10:30
dholbachthen discuss NEW packages in ubuntu-backports@ on the mailing lists10:31
_Tonio_but well, it's problematic to say that something giving a response to one of breezy's problems cannot be added ;)10:31
_Tonio_that's what we wanted to provide, but anyway, it creates more problems that it resolves so, private use, and let's go for dapper10:31
dholbachmaybe we can establish the need for those and create rules for those types of backports10:33
_Tonio_for specific packages that would be good10:33
_Tonio_it is not very common, but a few packages are really filling a hole sometime, and wlassistant is one of this10:33
_Tonio_dholbach: the repo is closed to the public, let's go for private use, and concentrate on dapper10:43
dholbachok :)10:43
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_Tonio_dholbach: I finally understood that you don't want a Suse-like package management ^_^10:47
_Tonio_I left Suse for this reason ;)10:47
dholbachsuse-like?10:48
_Tonio_have you managed to work with Suse ?10:48
_Tonio_repos are a complete mess !10:48
dholbachah yes :)10:49
dholbachi remotely remember :)10:49
herzidholbach: morging10:55
herzimorning10:55
dholbachhellas herzi10:56
dholbachso you made it to hamburg alright :)10:56
herziyes10:56
dholbachi suppose you slept well10:56
herziand it was a great trip: 19:45 the ice starts at berlin zoo; 19:50 my notebook starts playing music (using mplayer because of that gstreamer-alsa bug); 20:50 the album finishes, i wake up and there's only 25 minutes left10:57
dholbachsounds like good timing10:58
herziyes, the train was 5 minutes earler than expected, just nice to see that train can arrive in time10:59
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ajmitchhm11:14
ajmitcha bunch of zope packages are getting removed from debian since noone loves them11:14
ajmitchI wonder what we should do with them11:15
ajmitchsince I know that at least 1 of them on the list is used :)11:15
HiddenWolfajmitch, seriously, nobody loves zope? ;)11:15
ajmitch:P11:15
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mahangu_anybody know how to make a cvs checkout of a previous revision?12:16
ajmitchmahangu_: cvs co -r <revision>12:18
ajmitchiirc12:18
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lifelessmahangu_: hahahahaha12:30
lifelessmahangu_: cvs does not have that concept.12:31
lifelessmahangu_: the closest you can come is date based, or use one of the wrapper scripts like cscvs/cvsps etc12:31
mahangu_lifeless, what's the syntax ajmitch just used?12:32
lifelessit checks out a single files revision, or a tag.12:32
lifelessi.e. if you tagged 'pre-release-1.4' you can cvs co -r pre-relase-1.412:33
lifelesslikewise, if you want foo.c rev 1.3, you can cvs co -r 1.3 foo.c12:33
lifelessbut rev numbers are per file not repo whide12:33
lifeless*wide*12:33
lifelessso cvs -r 1.3 ..project12:33
lifelesswill give you *very* strange results12:33
ajmitchlifeless: silly me, I haven't been using cvs for too long :)12:34
lifelessajmitch: np:)12:34
lifelessits not like you *expect* software to be brain damaged12:34
mahangu_ah12:35
ajmitchI've been caught up using svn at work12:35
mahangu_lifeless, currently only one file12:35
mahangu_should be alright?12:35
ajmitch& cursing its poor branching & merging12:35
lifelessajmitch: bzr, bzr, bZR, BZR12:35
ajmitchoh I'd like to :)12:35
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Kyral*groan* Another Bug against VLC to reject02:07
Kyralpeople really hate that wxwidgets switch....02:08
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HiddenWolfKyral, unusable vlc was worse02:16
spaceythat related to why vlc is so ugly now?02:16
HiddenWolfspacey, yeah, the new version was horribly broken the day before release, so they switched to the older toolkit.02:17
Kyraland people haven't stopped complaining02:17
spaceybut before it was looking good and working02:17
Kyralpersonally I never used the Playlist so I didn't understand until crimsun explained it to me02:17
HiddenWolfspacey, it wasn't, at all.02:17
spaceyi could play my movies02:18
spacey:D02:18
spaceyworked fine02:18
KyralYah same here. I have half a mind to build a VLC against 2.6 and release it Backports style02:19
KyralYour Mileage My Vary ;P02:20
spacey:>02:20
KyralThing is building it against Sid is a PAIN. And I have class so cya02:21
slomo\sh: ping?02:22
dholbachhi slomo02:24
slomohi dholbach :)02:24
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zakamegood evening pht :)02:25
marcinhi all02:26
marcingot a question - is there available package with php manual?02:26
marcinand if not (I think it isn't but not sure) then why? is this about license?02:26
Lathiatno but www.php.net is great, www.php.net/function and it does a search :)02:27
marcinI would like to prepare such package but in texi format for emacs but license is not gpl - I'll have to ask for permisiion02:27
Lathiatalso i see a php3-doc, none for later versions tho, weird02:27
Lathiatyou can docs in various formats from php.net, no idea on the license02:28
marcinand not sure if they will allow to modify their documentation02:28
marcinit's PHP License - you can distribute but need permission form PHP02:28
marcinit's called Open Publication License, v1.002:29
marcinhttp://www.opencontent.org/openpub02:29
Lathiatopen pub?02:29
Lathiatbeer free too? :)02:29
marcincould be :)02:30
Lathiatdoubtful :(02:30
marcinquestion where is this pub - hope that not too far from me02:30
marcinanyway I would like to patch emacs info-look.el02:30
marcinand add support for context sensitive help mode for php02:30
marcinbut the problem is with format - I need to convert docbook to texi/info format (but it's my problem)02:31
marcinand another thing is that license02:31
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lucasdholbach: you there ?02:32
dholbachyes02:32
lucassee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTURuby02:33
lucasthe "Thoughts about management of packages in universe"02:33
lucasthis applies to all MOTU teams, not just ruby, so I'd like to move it elsewhere02:33
lucasbut I'm not sure where02:34
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dholbachlucas: hmm02:35
lucas(I know there are some mistakes in this)02:35
dholbachlucas: of course being in sync with debian is good02:35
dholbachlucas: but this shouldn't be the only goal of a MOTU*Team02:36
\shslomo: pong02:36
lucasdholbach: I know. however, i'm not interested in forking debian packages inside MOTURuby02:37
dholbachlucas: you focus quite heavily on it... i mean, seeing things realistically and not clinging to goals we can't achieve is ok, but if we feel the need to get a new version in or do things differently than debian, then we should do it02:37
Lathiat2/3 of those scripts down the bottom already exist02:37
dholbachlucas: it has nothing to do with forks02:37
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lucasdholbach: currently, MOTURuby has done *nothing*02:37
dholbachlucas: if we see the need for a change and we can justify it, we should go for it02:37
lucasI'd prefer to do this rather than nothing02:38
dholbachlucas: you have to be patient02:38
dholbachlucas: we had a release in between02:38
dholbachlucas: and no archive to upload to02:38
slomo\sh: can you tell me something about s9y? ;) is it really the best blogging system available? what are the advantages over wordpress for example?02:38
\shslomo: it is...02:38
lucasLathiat: where ? where is it documented ?02:38
\shslomo: automatic trackback determination02:39
Lathiatno, just some stuff ajmitch & i have hacked up02:39
\shslomo: works with mysql and postgres02:39
lucasLathiat: then you should make them available in a package or sthing02:39
\shslomo: easy to install/update02:39
\shslomo: and plugin installer from the net02:39
Lathiatindeed02:39
Lathiattheir in a bzr repo somewhere02:39
dholbachlucas: i really appreciate your efforts and i see your point, but we have to create visions and ideas. "don't deviate, because we have not idea, if we succeed" is a no-go and never was the "motu attitude" :)02:40
slomo\sh: can it import entries from the wordpress database for easy migration?02:40
\shslomo: very good spam protection...captcha handling included02:40
ajmitchLathiat: yeah, I'll put them up over UBZ or something :)02:40
\shslomo: it can handle imports from several blogs..via RSS2 feeds02:40
Lathiatajmitch: :)02:40
dholbachlucas: if you're incontent with how things are run, let's talk about it in the team (motu meeting maybe) and we'll try to get the ruby team there02:40
ajmitchLathiat: they're on tiber but in an old format bzr repo, and I've been cleaning them up since then02:40
slomo\sh: ok, hm... i think i'll do a testinstall in the next days :) any advices you can give me? ;)02:41
lucasdholbach: we really need a mailing list for this. I don't have time to spend 3 hours in an IRC meeting discussing this02:41
lucas(like the other evening)02:41
dholbachlucas: i hope you don't say "i don't have the time to discuss this", but alright, let's take it to ubuntu-devel@02:42
dholbachlucas: because i appreaciate the ruby efforts (having no clue about ruby at all :))02:42
\shslomo: well...create an mysql/postgres db, a user and a password, db should have all rights for the user...imagemagick install or libgd (i prefer imagemagick), $DOCROOT/uploads should have write permissions for the apache user, enable mod_rewrite...and after doing all this (unpacking the software before all that) just point your browser to http://your.install.tld/ that's it02:42
\shslomo: .htaccess should be enabled for the docroot02:43
\shslomo: that's all..really...no patching, no strange installation stuff..02:43
slomo\sh: does it support something like the wordpress permalinks? ;)02:44
slomo\sh: and would you recommend 0.8.5 or 0.9-beta?02:44
\shslomo: permalinks are supported02:45
\shslomo: latest SVN ,-)02:45
ogralucas, mail to ubuntu-devel as i said the other day...02:45
slomo\sh: hmm... ok =) is it safe to use?02:46
\shslomo: yes02:47
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\shwhat's the problem with ruby?02:51
lucasajmitch: could you release them soon ? so I can review them/improve them/send patches02:51
Treenaks\sh: it derailed?02:51
slomo\sh: thanks... will try it later :)02:51
slomoajmitch: did you already look at my packages and xsp? ;)02:52
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\shTreenaks: hmm...I thought ruby was the name of the maid in one tv series long time ago02:54
aboeI got a question about building packages...can I ask it here??02:54
Treenaksaboe: go ahead02:54
\shmeeting...bbl02:55
aboeI made a buildscript that will build deb packages from a cvs source02:55
aboeI used anothers script to make it..but don't know if it will work...02:55
aboecan you take a look at it...02:55
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slomo\sh: is the sqlite backend for s9y usable?03:27
tsenghm, sqlite blog?03:27
tsengi am sold03:27
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tsengi used it for a bit, it was nice03:28
tsengbut i cant make it look very pretty03:28
Mithrandiroh, why?03:28
tsengi know html and css and all taht03:28
tsengim just not artsy enough03:29
tsengthe themes on the site are awful03:29
slomotseng: hehe same for me ;)03:29
=== tseng wonders if he should switch from svn to bzr now or later
ograNOW !!03:31
ograeven better: yesterday03:31
ogra(requires a bit of time travelling though)03:31
=== sivang would have switched, but he doesn't have any trees to maintain :-(
ograsivang, just pull some other trees and get familiar with it :)03:32
tsengi have my /usr/local/bin and /var/www/myapp in svn for two servers03:32
tsengwhich run basically the same code, but one is production03:32
=== Nafallo never used any RCS before bzr ;-)
tsengit might be cool to have local RCS and merging 2 ways03:32
tsengsince i do make fixes on production sometimes03:32
=== Yagisan still uses RCS
tsengbzr is an odd command to type03:39
slomotseng: tell me how your migration from svn to bzr was after you finished it ;)03:40
tsengi just checked everything in03:40
tsengi need to figure out how to make it ignore files03:40
tsenglike propedit svn:ignore03:40
lifelessbzr ignore03:40
tsengoh that is much nicer03:40
tseng bzr ignore *.rrd03:40
tseng:D03:40
tsengbzr: ERROR: unknown command 'update'03:41
MithrandirITYM, pull?03:42
Mithrandiror merge03:42
tsengmakes sense, sortof03:43
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tsengslomo: id say im done, besides setting up trac module03:46
tsengwhich is not a priority03:46
slomotseng: already?! oh... =) i'll migrate next weekend ;)03:49
tsengi just did svn export and bzr init, bzr add *, bzr commit03:49
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Nafallotseng: you know about tailor? :-P03:52
tsengi just looked at it03:52
tsengi dont care about the previous changes03:52
Nafalloah, oki :-)03:52
slomooh... s9y works fine with sqlite backend ;)03:52
tsengthat bzrweb site is down03:52
tsengoh nice03:52
tsenglink?03:52
NafalloDapperDrake: changed nick or something? ;-)03:53
ograNafallo, thats Seveas' logbotafaik03:53
Nafalloehm... we need two logbots now?03:54
ograno idea, ask Seveas03:55
Nafallohe got highlighted now so... ;-)03:56
ograwe could highlight Seveas even more to get more attention :)03:58
Treenaksogra: /msg Seveas <ctrl+g>03:58
sivangTreenaks: hehe, that's cruel03:59
Treenakssivang: it works on my coworkers04:00
sivangTreenaks: did it work? :)04:01
Treenakssivang: yes04:01
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tsenglifeless: is it safe to assume that any bzr branch is as good as the original?04:16
tsenglifeless: ie, i can throw away the temp dir i imported after bzr export04:17
lifelesstseng: econtext04:18
lifelesstseng: I am getting ready to travel04:18
tsengk04:18
lifelessmay I suggest #bzr ?04:18
tsenghm sounds like a nice place to idel04:18
tsengthanks04:18
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DerekShey, i have a feature idea for dapper04:50
DerekSit would be cool if bookmarks for epiphany/firefox/konqueror/etc were all stored in one place, so when one is edited they all are04:51
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Seveasgrmbl, highlighters :p-05:47
Seveasogra, Nafallo: still here?05:47
Nafalloyepp :-)05:48
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Yagisanmotu's, Is there a way for me to get gpg to remember my passphrase for a few minutes while I sign all my packages ?05:48
NafalloYagisan: seahorse-agent == <3 :-)05:48
zygaYagisan: use seahorse05:48
SeveasNafallo, nice, you're on my list :)05:48
zyga:-)05:48
Seveasgpg-agent > seahorse05:49
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Yagisancool - thanks guys05:49
SeveasNafallo, i'm stting up ubuntu/member hostname cloaks on freenode. Want one?05:49
NafalloSeveas: yay! yes thanks. been waiting for this :-)05:49
Seveask, only 35 more members to ask :)05:50
Nafallohehe, what will it be? motu/ubuntu/nafallo? ;-)05:50
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Yagisanmotu's is there a tutorial about how to integrate ccache into pbuilder ?06:11
\shYagisan: 1. gpg-agent06:14
\shYagisan: 2. not that i know off....but someone played with it..06:14
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Yagisan\sh: thanks. I'll see if I can set ccache up - if I do I'll have it stuck on the wiki06:16
\shYagisan: don't use seahorse as gpg-agent replacement06:18
=== Nafallo is someone :-)
NafalloI'm not sure it works atm though.06:19
sivangYagisan: what's ccache ?06:19
\shcompiler-cache06:19
\shcaches already compiled object code which is not changed06:20
Nafalloah, it works, sort of :-P06:20
sivang\sh: nice, that can probably speed up things06:20
Nafallocache hit                             7806:20
Nafallocache miss                            6306:20
Nafallo;-)06:20
\shNafallo: u have it running in pbuilder?06:21
Nafallo\sh: yes. only in pbuilder actually :-)06:21
=== \sh is more interessted in pbuilder + dist cc
\shsivang: but has sometimes many pitfalls06:21
NafalloBINDMOUNTS="/var/cache/ccache"06:22
Yagisan\sh: I'm updating my unoffical repo - it is taking a long time manually signing the files06:22
Nafalloexport CCACHE_DIR="/var/cache/ccache"06:22
Nafalloexport CCACHE_UMASK="002"06:22
Nafalloexport PATH="/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH"06:22
NafalloEXTRAPACKAGES="ccache"06:22
Nafallothat's for pbuilderrc basically :-)06:22
Nafalloyou probably have to mkdir /var/cache/ccache :-)06:23
YagisanNafallo: that's all in your pbuilders ? that looks simple06:23
YagisanNafallo: now to add distcc and it's all set06:23
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NafalloYagisan: it is :-). but I don't need distcc, since I "only" got one amd64 ;-)06:24
YagisanNafallo: don't you build "i386" as well ?06:24
=== Yagisan wonders if it is feasible to distcc over the internet
Nafallono, that's why I need your help with setting up a pbuilder for it :-)06:25
YagisanNafallo: IIRC just adding -arch i386 to the pbuilder create was enough06:25
Nafallosomething tells me we should add some PbuilderHowto/[CCache,CrossCompiling] 06:26
Nafallo:-)06:26
YagisanNafallo: give me a sec, and I'll doublecheck06:26
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YagisanNafallo: Ah, what I did was build separate amd64 and i386 chroots (u510_amd64_pb  u510_i386_pb)06:27
Nafallowith just --arch i386 for the second build?06:28
Nafallos/build/create/06:28
YagisanNafallo: the i386 ones were built with --arch i386 passed to debootstrap06:28
Nafallohow to pass that to debootstrap? :-)06:29
Yagisanthen I just build the pbuilder chroots normally, in my seperate development chroots06:29
Yagisanmy setup amd64 -> minimal i386 chroot -> pbuilder06:29
YagisanNafallo: I just went linux32 dchroot u510_i386_pb06:31
YagisanNafallo: pbuilder create06:31
Nafallohmm06:31
Nafalloha!06:31
Nafallo--debootstrapopts --arch i386 should work :-)06:31
YagisanNafallo: should, but I like to keep my devel chroots separate from each other06:32
Nafallo/usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 227: cd: http://localhost:9999: No such file or directory06:33
Nafallopbuilder: debootstrap failed06:33
NafalloWTH?06:33
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YagisanNafallo: sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 breezy ui386_chroot http://192.168.1.1:3142/au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu06:36
YagisanNafallo: That will build you a small i386 chroot06:37
NafalloI tried to call it through pbuilder :-)06:37
NafalloI probably just make it on my girlfriends i386 shuttle and scp it to my box :-)06:38
YagisanNafallo: I keep my amd64/i386 in different chroots. I set 1 up, and just cp /etc06:38
Nafalloor I could use the test-machine I'll soon have hardware for :-)06:38
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NafalloI don't use chroots, I use pbuilders :-)06:38
YagisanNafallo: my pbuilders live in different chroots06:39
Nafalloindeed. mine lives on my system :-).06:39
YagisanNafallo: Currently I have Ubuntu hoary i386/amd64 breezy i386/amd64 Debian sarge i386/amd64 Debian etch i386/amd6406:40
Nafallo:-)06:40
Yagisanand I'm waiting for dapper06:40
Yagisanthey need their own chroots06:40
Nafallowhy?06:40
YagisanI can just tar them up, and stick them on dvd when I need to transport them elsewhere06:41
Yagisanmade it very easy to restore my system :)06:41
Nafallobut you can't with your basetgz?06:41
YagisanI could - but I don't want to over complicate my pbuilderrc - I build for a quite a few systems.06:43
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YagisanNafallo: So, is it worth using distcc with a p2 300 and k6/2 300 ?06:45
Nafallodunno :-P06:46
Nafallodo they have anything else to do? :-)06:47
YagisanNafallo: well the k6 is a firewall, the p2 is a thin client, not exactly demanding jobs06:49
YagisanNafallo: I wonder if they will actually slow the compile down06:49
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Nafallothey might indeed do just that :-)06:52
Nafallotry? :-)06:52
YagisanNafallo: shortly, I need to actually get ccache and distcc setup first06:53
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highvoltagehi masters of the universe07:05
\shhey highvoltage07:06
dholbachhey HiddenWolf07:06
dholbachoops07:06
dholbach:)07:06
dholbachhi highvoltage :)07:07
HiddenWolfhey dholbach07:07
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dholbachme?07:09
Nafallokinky ;-)07:09
\shspanking? please join #ubuntu-bdsm07:10
highvoltagetabbing?07:10
Nafallo\sh: you're not there ;-)07:11
\shubuntu is humanity ... #ubuntu-love , #ubuntu-bdsm, #ubuntu-roleplaying *eg*07:11
Nafallo:-)07:12
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\shhaha...07:17
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eazel7hi ppl07:26
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lucashi07:39
lucasdholbach: I remember you Cc MOTURuby on a bug report07:41
lucasbut I can't find the list of bugs where moturuby is Cced07:42
dholbacherm... cced?07:44
dholbachnot assigned?07:44
Lathiatlucas: there is no such list07:45
Lathiatlucas: only if assigned07:45
Lathiatin which case07:45
Lathiatits07:45
Lathiathttp://launchpad.net/people/moturuby/+assignedbugs07:45
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lucasthose are bugs assigned in malone ? or bugzilla ?07:49
Lathiatmalone07:50
Lathiatbugzilla is not used for universe bugs07:50
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | We did it - we released Breezy! :)
=== Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by dholbach at Thu Oct 13 08:32:52 2005
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lucasLathiat: do you know if there's a secret email address to contact all members of a launchpad team ?08:03
Lathiatlucas: dunno08:05
dholbachlucas: #launchpad or bug report on product launchpad, if you want to complain08:05
Lathiatlucas: what do you want to contact about?08:05
lucasI wanted to contact all members of my team, that's all :-)08:05
Lathiatcould file a bug ;)08:06
lucasLathiat: did that, but in the ubuntu bugzilla08:14
lucasanyway, I asked, and the answer is no08:14
tsengi already asked about this also08:14
tsengthey said get a mailing list08:14
Lathiatheh08:15
lucasbut when you ask for a mailing list, I think they say "use ubuntu-devel"08:15
lucasso this quite sucks08:15
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Lathiatlucas: how does it suck08:16
Lathiatuse it :)08:16
lucasbut then, first, I have to check that all members of moturuby have subscribed to ubuntu-devel, and are reading it closely enough to see my post08:17
LathiatCC is usefull08:17
Lathiatto: ubuntu-devel, cc: all moturuby people08:17
Lathiatodds are it'l get enough attention anyway but08:18
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zygamoturuby08:19
zygahey guys08:19
zygawhat's up?08:19
lucasphone08:20
lucas</phone>08:28
lucaszyga: I don't know if you read it, but I started adding some ideas on the MOTURuby page08:29
zygalucas: I followed them carefully08:29
lucasany comments ?08:29
zyganot yet really I've just read that and added thinking about it to my TODO list08:30
lucas:-)08:30
zygaI'm trying to get l10n-ng into dapper and I desperatly need to trim features to meet the deadline08:30
lucasng ?08:31
lucasis that a country code ?08:31
zygalucas: next generation08:31
lucasah, this ng :-)08:31
zygalucas: it's a whole new concept, I want to scrap language packs08:31
zygalucas: I need support from all sides :-)08:32
zygalucas: but right now I need time to finish the specs and get feedback from the top guys08:33
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siretarthi folks08:37
dholbachhey reinhard08:38
zygalucas: is there anyone who reviews REVU ruby sutff?08:38
lucasI dunno08:38
zygaI've put 2 packages there08:38
lucasI'm not an ubuntu member08:38
lucasso I can't help with that08:38
lucaswhich packages ?08:38
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zygalucas: alexandria and its dependencies08:39
lucasdid you use the debian package as a basis ?08:39
zygalucas: really cool but doesn't work on our ruby, you neet to upgrade to real 1.8.3 (we've got a fake 1.8.2-9)08:39
zygalucas: for the alexandria - yes08:39
tsengwhat is alexandria08:39
zygaI only fetched the new source tarball and upgraded dependencies08:40
tsengnm08:40
zygatseng: it's really cool book catalogue08:40
zygalucas: for the libzoom-ruby I did everything from scratch08:40
zygalucas: BTW: I've found out that there is an alexandria community and that they have managed to hack the same things together08:40
lucasok08:41
zygabut they never released any source code, only .debs08:41
zygaI tried to contact them but in vain08:41
lucasfrom http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/alexandria.html, I see paulvt did some NMUs on alexandria08:41
lucasyou should really mail him08:41
zygawho is paulvt08:41
lucasPaul Van Tillburg08:41
zygaanyway I'm not sure about my package --- it's my first package really08:41
lucasa debian developer, maintainer of lots of ruby pkgs08:42
zygalucas: is he anywhere on irc?08:42
zygaI prefer that to email everytime08:42
lucasusually Mozillion on #debian-ruby, but you'll have to be lucky08:42
lucashe isn't here currently08:42
lucasand I haven't seen him lately08:42
zygalucas: right08:43
zygaI really need to get up to speed with packaging08:43
zygaalexandria is big and complex and I'm still a novice08:43
zygaanyway -- it works for me08:43
zygalucas: could you try to build my package?08:44
lucasI don't have an ubuntu box accessible right now08:44
zygaok08:45
siretartzyga: I put together a small script which does your 'important' list on the wiki08:49
siretartzyga: http://revu.tauware.de/~siretart/ruby08:49
siretartzyga: I intend to run in in a cronjob once a day to replace that list on the wiki. what do you think?08:50
siretartlucas: or did you put that list on the wiki? ;)08:50
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lucassiretart: I'm just going to mail ubuntu-devel about such scripts08:54
siretartlucas: we have tiber to host such scripts, you know08:55
lucasyes, but I think some of them should be packaged08:55
lucaswe don't need to run all of them of tiber08:55
siretartdepends. This list seemed to me a good candidate08:56
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lucasthis particular one, yes08:56
siretartif you have additional ones, just leave me a note08:57
lucasare you subscribed to ubuntu-devel ?08:57
siretartI am, and I read that list08:58
lucasbtw, you script lacks a shebang, and should be named .bash, not .sh08:58
lucas$() doesn't work in sh08:58
siretartoh. thanks for pointer08:59
Mithrandirlucas: $() is posix sh08:59
lucasMithrandir: you sure ?08:59
Mithrandir: tfheen@xoog ~ > dash08:59
Mithrandir\u@\h:\w$ echo $(echo foo)08:59
Mithrandirfoo08:59
Mithrandirlucas: yes.08:59
lucasMithrandir: seems so09:02
lucassiretart: but you still need to add a shebang ;)09:02
siretartlucas: already done09:02
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zygasiretart: good idea, I've already seen that script09:13
zygasiretart: I was rather amazed on how quick it showed up :-)09:14
siretartI just took the commands from the wiki09:16
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lucassiretart: you had the good idea to replace grep -e with grep -w I think09:20
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slomo_\sh_away: s9y convinced me :) i'll migrate when 0.9 is released... should be next week or something ;)09:43
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Amaranthwoo, the only error or warning lintian and linda give for my alacarte package is that dapper isn't a distro10:04
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ivokshi10:04
Amaranthchecking deb, changes, and dsc10:04
Amaranthnow i just need to wait for a real release (sometime this week)10:05
jmgguys is any work being done in dapper for a new init scheme?10:22
jmgsomething to make stuff boot faster?10:22
dholbachi suppose you check the wiki at UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs10:24
dholbachand that's more of a #ubuntu-devel question10:24
dholbachsince the stuff won't land in universe :)10:25
ograhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/replacement-init10:28
ograjmg, ^^^10:28
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hubhe dholbach10:29
dholbachhey hub10:30
dholbachhow are you?10:30
hubam ok10:30
hubplenty of spare time now10:30
dholbachoh yeah, i read it10:30
Amaranthi hope they decide to use launchd10:31
dredgmorning10:31
dholbachhey dredg10:31
dholbach"morning" - haha :)10:31
hubdholbach: the positive side is that I will have plenty of time for UBZ :-)10:31
dredgwell, 13.3010:31
dredgbut closer to morning than you are :)10:31
dholbachah, california?10:31
=== dredg nods
dholbachhub: i look forward to it :)10:32
dredgthere's no way i can make ubz, sadly10:32
dholbach:(10:32
ogradredg, come on, be creative ...10:33
ogradredg, fold the room a bit and be at both places at the same time ... :)10:33
dredgogra: i'm here on training. can't skip it10:33
ogras/room/space10:33
dredgAND i find that mako will be in dublin this week10:33
dredgso not only can i not make ubz, the one time mako visits ireland i'm not in the damn country10:35
ajmitchmorning10:38
=== ajmitch thought he said to lucas that he had some tools written that were in a bzr repository?
=== ajmitch sighs
ajmitchsiretart: most of the stuff I wrote is already on tiber :)10:43
siretarthi ajmitch10:43
siretartajmitch: did lucas already see that?10:43
siretartajmitch: btw, I just installed the bzr package from breezy on tiber10:44
ajmitchI wrote a mail to the list10:44
ajmitchand I told him yesterday in here that I had tools10:44
siretartajmitch: perhaps you could move them to ~ajmitch/public_html?10:45
ajmitchonce I can login :)10:45
ajmitchsiretart: I will10:45
ajmitchI'm resorting the branch on my local box10:45
siretartah, I nearly thought about a problem with your revu account ;)10:46
ajmitchnope10:46
ajmitchssh was taking10:46
ajmitcha long10:46
ajmitchlong time10:46
ajmitchI promised in my email that tools would be available during UBZ :)10:47
ajmitchsince I want to put up some pages on revu for things as well10:47
siretartw00t. dapper open!10:48
ajmitchyay10:48
ajmitchon katie though10:48
=== ajmitch saw sabdfl make the call in #launchpad
ograits a first try of elmo10:48
siretartah. okay10:49
ograbe patient ;)10:49
siretarthehe10:49
=== siretart needs to setup a filter
ajmitchwe need to come up with a list of issues with malone for bradb10:49
ajmitchto talk to him at UBZ10:49
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siretarthi sistpoty!10:51
sistpotyhi folks10:51
ajmitchhey sistpoty10:51
siretartsistpoty: I just wanted to catch you by email10:51
sistpotyhuhu siretart... sorry didn't make it to uni today :(10:51
sistpotyhi ajmitch10:51
siretartsistpoty: it wasn't that important today for you, michael did a introduction to haskel ;)10:52
sistpotyhehe :)10:52
siretartsistpoty: the optimizing stuff is next week10:52
sistpotycool... I'll be there, promised ;)10:52
siretartsistpoty: do you have some time right now? how about a shared screen session upgrading tiber to breezy?10:52
sistpotysiretart: sure10:52
sistpotysiretart: how does a shared screen session work?10:53
siretartsistpoty: because I'm not that sure about upgrading postgres, you mentioned you did it some time ago, yes?10:53
ajmitchogra: seen that someone created a hwdb lp product?10:53
siretartsistpoty: are you familiar with screen?10:53
siretartlets take this to query ;)10:53
sistpotysiretart: ok10:54
ograajmitch, nope ... but there are hwdb bugs in malone... i thought that was already there...10:54
ajmitchogra: looks like someone registered a product in order to file a bug on it10:54
ogrameh10:54
ajmitchwhich means that you won't get the bug reports..10:55
ajmitchmore malone confusion :)10:55
ogrameh X210:55
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ajmitch****ing win xp10:55
ajmitchhttps://launchpad.net/products/hwdb-gui10:57
ajmitchthere we go10:57
Amaranthhow do you register a product?10:58
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thesaltydogogra, ??10:59
ograthesaltydog, looks cool... but dapper isnt open yet ;)10:59
thesaltydog:-)10:59
Nafallowow10:59
ogranice work, really10:59
ajmitchlaunchpad.net, products, register a product10:59
thesaltydogis it closer to your...mood?10:59
=== Nafallo sees XubuntuArtwork
ograyup, a lot11:00
Nafalloalmost want's to switch ;-)11:00
ogra:)11:00
ajmitchhmm?11:00
=== ajmitch is lost
thesaltydogit will be on Debian within a week.11:00
Amaranthproducts doesn't exist on launchpad.net11:00
thesaltydogI am waiting for translators to update po.11:00
Amaranthfirefox can't find it and neither can i11:00
ajmitchAmaranth: meh11:00
ograajmitch, thesaltydog sent me a screenie of the new bum version11:00
ajmitchAmaranth: https://launchpad.net/products11:00
dholbachgood night guys11:01
ajmitchnight dholbach11:01
thesaltydogogra, I have stolen the "lamp bulb" from REVU...11:01
dholbachnight andrew11:01
ograheh... and they have "stolen" it elsewhere :)11:02
thesaltydogciao daniel, goodnight11:02
dholbachbye fabio11:02
sistpotythesaltydog: the lamp bulb should be from gnome-icons iirc11:02
=== ajmitch needs to get hacking on his motu tools before more people cry out for my blood
sistpotyhehe11:03
thesaltydogsistpoty, ok, so it keeps in family11:03
ajmitchI'd better get things done before Ubuntu Love Day!11:04
ograajmitch, or even take over the world with exactly the same tools :)11:04
ajmitchso that dholbach can show off things to new MOTUs11:04
dholbach :)11:05
dholbachno way andrew, you'll present your own tools ;)11:05
ajmitchheh11:05
ajmitchbut they'll be MOTU tools11:05
ajmitchnot mine ;)11:05
dholbachhaha :)11:05
dholbachok, i'm still off to bed11:05
ajmitchnight :)11:06
dholbach:)11:06
thesaltydoggoodnight all11:07
thesaltydog'night ogra11:07
sistpotygn8 dholbach11:07
dholbachnight stefan11:08
ogranight thesaltydog11:08
Nafalloanyone want to see my routing? ;-)11:10
Mithrandiryou say that as if it's dirty.11:10
ajmitchhm11:10
Nafallowell, jenny painted it when I teached her about it :-)11:11
ajmitchwhat a shame a local hosting company says they'll only support debian at the moment on their managed servers11:11
Nafalloask them why they don't support debian-ng? ;-)11:11
ajmitchI asked if they were to support Ubuntu, but no..11:11
ograajmitch, and ?11:11
ograajmitch, just upgrade to ubuntu then ;)11:12
ajmitchogra: this is support for a managed server, eg security updates, etc11:14
ajmitchsince I won't be working here for years, I'd like a decent server setup11:14
Nafallohttp://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/magicalforest.jpg11:21
NafalloMithrandir: ^ dirty? ;-)11:21
siretarttiber status update: upgrade to breezy ongoing11:22
ajmitchsiretart: yay11:22
=== ajmitch should rm -rf his bzr branch on there
siretartajmitch: we will need to reboot tiber after upgrade11:23
ajmitchfine by me11:23
ajmitchI'll just get logged out11:23
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keyeshello11:24
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minghuadapper is open now?11:40
Nafalloonly to the DC :-)11:40
ajmitchbe patient!11:41
siretarthehe11:41
minghuaNafallo: what does DC mean?11:41
siretartminghua: elmo is working on it atm11:41
siretartI expect it open in a few hours, when nothing goes wrong11:42
minghuasiretart: I just saw his email to ubuntu-devel list11:42
minghuathat's why I'm asking11:42
minghuaI'm not impatient, just trying to confirm :-)11:42
Nafallodatacenter :-)11:42
siretart;)11:42
minghuaNafallo: I see, thanks11:43
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bipolaris anyone working on new mono packages?11:45
ajmitchyes11:45
bipolarwoot11:45
ajmitchconsidering that the ones we have really aren't that old :P11:46
ajmitchso 'new' ones won't be much of a change11:46
bipolarhmmm....11:46
bipolaryeah. they're only one point off11:46
ajmitchwe had to freeze breezy at some point :)11:47
bipolarheh11:47
minghuaajmitch: does that imply breezy universe is not frozen yet?11:47
bipolarmonodevelop went up a point too. thats a bigger change I think.11:48
Nafallono, but soon we will have dapper universe to work on :-)11:48
ajmitchminghua: no, it's quite frozen11:48
ajmitchonly critical things slip into breezy-updates11:48
Nafallobreezy-updates/universe != breezy/universe ;-)11:49
minghuaokay, I suppose a plan for dapper and breezy-backports is more practical11:49
ograyup11:49
minghuaI need to get SCIM packages in shape11:49
ograbut hard for mono... you have to build all packages and they must be in the right order... its quite some work11:50
minghuamaybe write a IncludeInMain proposal as well11:50
ajmitchogra: but lots of fun11:50
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ograheh11:50
ajmitchogra: it's called throwing everything at the buildd until it's right :)11:50
minghuaoh one man can dream11:50
siretartajmitch: we want to reboot tiber now. are you still doing something there?11:50
ajmitchsiretart: nope11:50
ogramono itself is in main11:50
siretartokay, reboot in 2 minutes11:51
ajmitchand some apps will probably migrate to main for dapper11:51
siretartlets hope for the best!11:51
ajmitchok11:51
ajmitchso elmo sent out mail saying dapper is open11:51
ograyeah 111:51
ajmitchI see someone replied to my email saying that I had stuff done, saying we should just start somethng new11:52
=== ajmitch gives up :P
ogra*SIGH*11:52
=== ajmitch sets up his procmail rules for the dapper flood
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Nafallohehe11:56
Nafalloajmitch: coward ;-). see it as a test for your server :-)11:56
KyralDapper open? The Devel list makes it sound that way11:57
Nafallodapper-changes aswell ;-)11:58
KyralYah I gotta go subscribe to that list11:58
KyralLets ROCK AND ROLL!11:58
SeveasKyral, or to the RSS feed ;011:58
KyralHoi Seveas :P11:58
Seveashi11:59
KyralI already get so much mail to my box, I won't mind another couple hundred a day ;P11:59
Nafallohehe11:59
Seveasthen subscribe to ubuntu-bugs@11:59
KyralThats what filters are for11:59
NafalloSeveas: how to activite the new cloak? :-)12:00
KyralI send stuff from Kernel-Devel, Universe-Bugs, and Ubuntu-Devel to thier own folders12:00
NafalloI send stuff from every mailing-list to it's own folder :-)12:00
SeveasNafallo, it will be activated in a few days12:00
KyralYah thats what I do12:00
KyralIts been boring without breakage12:00
KyralLets the games begin!12:00
Nafalloah, that's why I can't see it :-P12:00
Nafallothanx :-)12:01
Seveasstill 31 people to ask :)12:01
Kyralubuntu-bugs12:01
KyralHow is that different from Universe-Bugs?12:01
Kyraloh wait12:01
Seveasuniverse-bugs is malone, ubuntu-bugs is bugzilla...12:01
KyralI don't really use the Bugzilla...12:02

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