=== slomo [n=slomo@p5487DA3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-69-171.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Cimmerian [n=crom@80.239.71.239] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-227-157-184.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-124-254.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theine [n=theine@c188101.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] Hi, if I install vflib3, I get the following error message many times: [01:54] Debian::Defoma::Id::defoma_id_register at line 37 in /var/lib/defoma/scripts/vflib3.defoma: (AlMothnna Bold, /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-arabeyes/ae_AlMothnna_bold.ttf, 20): Illegal argument. [01:55] Many times but each time for a different font that is === fisch_ [n=fisch@chello084114177169.3.15.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-41-252.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Linux@hamlin-160-1785.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] Ooops, hit the wrong button.... [02:45] oops ;-) [02:46] Quite interesting experiment. I was in the computer labs and I started an Ethereal trace. While it was tracing I portscanned my computer in my room with nmap [02:48] While the nmap results were what I expected (SSH was open, which was expected because I set my iptables to let me SSH from those labs) [02:49] the Ethereal trace was most interesting [02:54] Kyral: how so? [02:55] All the packets it fired at my computer [02:55] it was a flood! [02:57] what did you expect ? [02:58] Well, what was better was that they were all dropped ;P === Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@p5487F461.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] This is boring. I can't wait for Dapper to open. I'm not used to not having updates for weeks [03:05] Kyral: sid [03:06] Nah, it would be too hard to get to it from my current config, though it would be interesting [03:12] I mean is it just me or have no updates been released in like the past few weeks? [03:13] no updates for..? 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[09:57] moin [09:57] hey reinhard, hey mortas === _Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:08] <_Tonio_> morning all [10:11] hey _Tonio_ [10:12] <_Tonio_> fine ? [10:12] <_Tonio_> dholbach: We finally organised with JRe and a few personns on #kubuntu-fr and we have build a little repo [10:13] <_Tonio_> backporting to breezy and submitting a maximum packages for dapper ;) [10:13] why do you do an own repo? [10:13] <_Tonio_> why ? [10:13] we have an official backports team now [10:13] <_Tonio_> yep, but how to submit packages ? [10:13] we can mail to ubuntubackports@ and let stuff be backported [10:13] <_Tonio_> well I'd be glad to add them to the backports [10:14] stuff that is in the archive can be backported (if it makes sense) [10:14] revu is the other way to submit packages === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:15] <_Tonio_> dholbach: isn't backports supposed to be for already packages applications ? [10:16] for stuff that is already in the archive yet [10:16] yes [10:16] <_Tonio_> okay, in fact we are going to submit all of those packages or dapper [10:16] <_Tonio_> and provide a breezy version [10:16] hrm === dholbach doesnt like the idea of external repos [10:17] <_Tonio_> dholbach: I can understand [10:17] <_Tonio_> but well, if those cannot be added to the backports...... [10:17] <_Tonio_> getting wlassistant or codeine packages can be interesting for breezy users waiting for dapper ;) [10:18] i think we should test stuff a bit in dapper [10:18] but ok, i can't stop you from doing it :) [10:18] <_Tonio_> but anyway, if you have another solution than building a repo, I'd be glad to go in another way [10:18] none that would make you happy [10:18] <_Tonio_> dholbach: understand me, I've done a repo because backports isn't supposed to host new packages ;) [10:19] *nod* [10:19] <_Tonio_> our goal is to see all our packages in universe [10:19] <_Tonio_> that's the goal and will always be ;) [10:19] the problem is: what will do with bug reports? ask first from which repo they are? [10:19] <_Tonio_> yes I understand this............ [10:20] _Tonio_: I'd also suggest getting your stuff/packages into dapper, and ensure that the source package also builds in breezy [10:20] _Tonio_: and you'll get official backports for free [10:20] <_Tonio_> siretart: that's what we're gonna do [10:20] <_Tonio_> but getting a package in dapper can take month ;) [10:21] <_Tonio_> in fact any package added to dapper would be deleted [10:21] _Tonio_: then we should work on this problem [10:21] that's life [10:21] <_Tonio_> dholbach: ;) [10:21] honestly, we work a lot to get rid of external repos [10:22] because they're a bit problematic [10:22] we worked hard to integrate backports into ubuntu itself (as an official project) [10:22] <_Tonio_> yep [10:22] before each release, we try to integrate as much from apt-get.org as possible [10:22] and we have a big bunch of MOTUs who try to get in the best of the OSS world as a package [10:23] you know that packages in external repos get stale [10:23] and they're often buggy (no offense towards you, you do a good job) [10:23] <_Tonio_> no but I know that you're right.... [10:23] and to ask in a bug tracker "where did you get the package" is really not, what i want to do as a standard question [10:24] i understand, that users press us to get as much software out as possible [10:24] <_Tonio_> the problem is that you know, it is VERY frustrating to see that an application that is not added at the release date will probably never be, until in the next version [10:24] <_Tonio_> ;) [10:24] and that we are all annoyed after waiting for reviews/... [10:24] <_Tonio_> no but I understand your point of view..... [10:24] but that's necessary to ensure quality [10:25] that's how we invite people to play with dapper [10:25] because that's the development cycle [10:25] <_Tonio_> yep, I'll send that log to JRe if you don't mind [10:25] no problem... i can't stop you from doing it, really [10:25] <_Tonio_> well the goal will not change, but we may use the repo only for private use [10:26] <_Tonio_> dholbach: I wanna contribute, not creating problems :) [10:26] yeah [10:26] i'll try to help you achieving that goal [10:26] i guess the problem here is that the backports mandate is only to backport new packages from dapper right? as such theres a hole people want to fill [10:26] <_Tonio_> the goal will be the same, the result will be the same, except that we will have to wait for the packages to be added ;) [10:26] <_Tonio_> patience [10:27] <_Tonio_> but that's better for everyone and I perfectly understand this [10:27] /me hugs _Tonio_ :) [10:27] <_Tonio_> dholbach: ^_^ [10:28] <_Tonio_> what could be interesting is maybe allow some new packages in backports [10:28] that should be discussed on ubuntu-{devel,backports}@ [10:28] <_Tonio_> I mean, it is said and know that backports repos are not safe for stability [10:28] <_Tonio_> and there has been new packages in backports in the past [10:28] <_Tonio_> remember java, w32codecs and many more [10:28] erm [10:28] those were the unofficial ones [10:29] we can't ship sun java and w32* [10:29] <_Tonio_> yes... rules are today different [10:29] ah ok, yes [10:29] <_Tonio_> dholbach: understand me, many many people for example are using wifi [10:30] <_Tonio_> and one of the best tools for this (and maybe the only one for kde) is wlassistant [10:30] i understand that perfectly [10:30] some of my packages weren't brought in either [10:30] <_Tonio_> the package didn't go in universe for lack of time reasons that I can understand [10:30] i'd say, get it into dapper asap [10:30] the archive isnt open yet, so we could do some reviews too [10:31] then discuss NEW packages in ubuntu-backports@ on the mailing lists [10:31] <_Tonio_> but well, it's problematic to say that something giving a response to one of breezy's problems cannot be added ;) [10:31] <_Tonio_> that's what we wanted to provide, but anyway, it creates more problems that it resolves so, private use, and let's go for dapper [10:33] maybe we can establish the need for those and create rules for those types of backports [10:33] <_Tonio_> for specific packages that would be good [10:33] <_Tonio_> it is not very common, but a few packages are really filling a hole sometime, and wlassistant is one of this [10:43] <_Tonio_> dholbach: the repo is closed to the public, let's go for private use, and concentrate on dapper [10:43] ok :) === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:47] <_Tonio_> dholbach: I finally understood that you don't want a Suse-like package management ^_^ [10:47] <_Tonio_> I left Suse for this reason ;) [10:48] suse-like? [10:48] <_Tonio_> have you managed to work with Suse ? [10:48] <_Tonio_> repos are a complete mess ! [10:49] ah yes :) [10:49] i remotely remember :) [10:55] dholbach: morging [10:55] morning [10:56] hellas herzi [10:56] so you made it to hamburg alright :) [10:56] yes [10:56] i suppose you slept well [10:57] and it was a great trip: 19:45 the ice starts at berlin zoo; 19:50 my notebook starts playing music (using mplayer because of that gstreamer-alsa bug); 20:50 the album finishes, i wake up and there's only 25 minutes left [10:58] sounds like good timing [10:59] yes, the train was 5 minutes earler than expected, just nice to see that train can arrive in time === sedak [n=fred@home.nenya.info] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B1DFE.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:14] hm [11:14] a bunch of zope packages are getting removed from debian since noone loves them [11:15] I wonder what we should do with them [11:15] since I know that at least 1 of them on the list is used :) [11:15] ajmitch, seriously, nobody loves zope? ;) [11:15] :P === daysleper [n=dayslepe@216-214-118.0501.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=Josh@203.215.86.76] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@220.247.230.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] anybody know how to make a cvs checkout of a previous revision? [12:18] mahangu_: cvs co -r [12:18] iirc === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] mahangu_: hahahahaha [12:31] mahangu_: cvs does not have that concept. [12:31] mahangu_: the closest you can come is date based, or use one of the wrapper scripts like cscvs/cvsps etc [12:32] lifeless, what's the syntax ajmitch just used? [12:32] it checks out a single files revision, or a tag. [12:33] i.e. if you tagged 'pre-release-1.4' you can cvs co -r pre-relase-1.4 [12:33] likewise, if you want foo.c rev 1.3, you can cvs co -r 1.3 foo.c [12:33] but rev numbers are per file not repo whide [12:33] *wide* [12:33] so cvs -r 1.3 ..project [12:33] will give you *very* strange results [12:34] lifeless: silly me, I haven't been using cvs for too long :) [12:34] ajmitch: np:) [12:34] its not like you *expect* software to be brain damaged [12:35] ah [12:35] I've been caught up using svn at work [12:35] lifeless, currently only one file [12:35] should be alright? [12:35] & cursing its poor branching & merging [12:35] ajmitch: bzr, bzr, bZR, BZR [12:35] oh I'd like to :) === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F461.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] *groan* Another Bug against VLC to reject [02:08] people really hate that wxwidgets switch.... === zakame [n=zakame@unaffiliated/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@vpn-imt22.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] Kyral, unusable vlc was worse [02:16] that related to why vlc is so ugly now? [02:17] spacey, yeah, the new version was horribly broken the day before release, so they switched to the older toolkit. [02:17] and people haven't stopped complaining [02:17] but before it was looking good and working [02:17] personally I never used the Playlist so I didn't understand until crimsun explained it to me [02:17] spacey, it wasn't, at all. [02:18] i could play my movies [02:18] :D [02:18] worked fine [02:19] Yah same here. I have half a mind to build a VLC against 2.6 and release it Backports style [02:20] Your Mileage My Vary ;P [02:20] :> [02:21] Thing is building it against Sid is a PAIN. And I have class so cya [02:22] \sh: ping? [02:24] hi slomo [02:24] hi dholbach :) === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] good evening pht :) [02:26] hi all [02:26] got a question - is there available package with php manual? [02:26] and if not (I think it isn't but not sure) then why? is this about license? [02:27] no but www.php.net is great, www.php.net/function and it does a search :) [02:27] I would like to prepare such package but in texi format for emacs but license is not gpl - I'll have to ask for permisiion [02:27] also i see a php3-doc, none for later versions tho, weird [02:28] you can docs in various formats from php.net, no idea on the license [02:28] and not sure if they will allow to modify their documentation [02:28] it's PHP License - you can distribute but need permission form PHP [02:29] it's called Open Publication License, v1.0 [02:29] http://www.opencontent.org/openpub [02:29] open pub? [02:29] beer free too? :) [02:30] could be :) [02:30] doubtful :( [02:30] question where is this pub - hope that not too far from me [02:30] anyway I would like to patch emacs info-look.el [02:30] and add support for context sensitive help mode for php [02:31] but the problem is with format - I need to convert docbook to texi/info format (but it's my problem) [02:31] and another thing is that license === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] dholbach: you there ? [02:32] yes [02:33] see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTURuby [02:33] the "Thoughts about management of packages in universe" [02:33] this applies to all MOTU teams, not just ruby, so I'd like to move it elsewhere [02:34] but I'm not sure where === _Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35] lucas: hmm [02:35] (I know there are some mistakes in this) [02:35] lucas: of course being in sync with debian is good [02:36] lucas: but this shouldn't be the only goal of a MOTU*Team [02:36] <\sh> slomo: pong [02:37] dholbach: I know. however, i'm not interested in forking debian packages inside MOTURuby [02:37] lucas: you focus quite heavily on it... i mean, seeing things realistically and not clinging to goals we can't achieve is ok, but if we feel the need to get a new version in or do things differently than debian, then we should do it [02:37] 2/3 of those scripts down the bottom already exist [02:37] lucas: it has nothing to do with forks === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] dholbach: currently, MOTURuby has done *nothing* [02:37] lucas: if we see the need for a change and we can justify it, we should go for it [02:38] I'd prefer to do this rather than nothing [02:38] lucas: you have to be patient [02:38] lucas: we had a release in between [02:38] lucas: and no archive to upload to [02:38] \sh: can you tell me something about s9y? ;) is it really the best blogging system available? what are the advantages over wordpress for example? [02:38] <\sh> slomo: it is... [02:38] Lathiat: where ? where is it documented ? [02:39] <\sh> slomo: automatic trackback determination [02:39] no, just some stuff ajmitch & i have hacked up [02:39] <\sh> slomo: works with mysql and postgres [02:39] Lathiat: then you should make them available in a package or sthing [02:39] <\sh> slomo: easy to install/update [02:39] <\sh> slomo: and plugin installer from the net [02:39] indeed [02:39] their in a bzr repo somewhere [02:40] lucas: i really appreciate your efforts and i see your point, but we have to create visions and ideas. "don't deviate, because we have not idea, if we succeed" is a no-go and never was the "motu attitude" :) [02:40] \sh: can it import entries from the wordpress database for easy migration? [02:40] <\sh> slomo: very good spam protection...captcha handling included [02:40] Lathiat: yeah, I'll put them up over UBZ or something :) [02:40] <\sh> slomo: it can handle imports from several blogs..via RSS2 feeds [02:40] ajmitch: :) [02:40] lucas: if you're incontent with how things are run, let's talk about it in the team (motu meeting maybe) and we'll try to get the ruby team there [02:40] Lathiat: they're on tiber but in an old format bzr repo, and I've been cleaning them up since then [02:41] \sh: ok, hm... i think i'll do a testinstall in the next days :) any advices you can give me? ;) [02:41] dholbach: we really need a mailing list for this. I don't have time to spend 3 hours in an IRC meeting discussing this [02:41] (like the other evening) [02:42] lucas: i hope you don't say "i don't have the time to discuss this", but alright, let's take it to ubuntu-devel@ [02:42] lucas: because i appreaciate the ruby efforts (having no clue about ruby at all :)) [02:42] <\sh> slomo: well...create an mysql/postgres db, a user and a password, db should have all rights for the user...imagemagick install or libgd (i prefer imagemagick), $DOCROOT/uploads should have write permissions for the apache user, enable mod_rewrite...and after doing all this (unpacking the software before all that) just point your browser to http://your.install.tld/ that's it [02:43] <\sh> slomo: .htaccess should be enabled for the docroot [02:43] <\sh> slomo: that's all..really...no patching, no strange installation stuff.. [02:44] \sh: does it support something like the wordpress permalinks? ;) [02:44] \sh: and would you recommend 0.8.5 or 0.9-beta? [02:45] <\sh> slomo: permalinks are supported [02:45] <\sh> slomo: latest SVN ,-) [02:45] lucas, mail to ubuntu-devel as i said the other day... [02:46] \sh: hmm... ok =) is it safe to use? [02:47] <\sh> slomo: yes === supermarkuman [n=supermar@p50925C8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] <\sh> what's the problem with ruby? [02:51] ajmitch: could you release them soon ? so I can review them/improve them/send patches [02:51] \sh: it derailed? [02:51] \sh: thanks... will try it later :) [02:52] ajmitch: did you already look at my packages and xsp? ;) === Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === aboe [n=aboe@tb-c-76ec.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] <\sh> Treenaks: hmm...I thought ruby was the name of the maid in one tv series long time ago [02:54] I got a question about building packages...can I ask it here?? [02:54] aboe: go ahead [02:55] <\sh> meeting...bbl [02:55] I made a buildscript that will build deb packages from a cvs source [02:55] I used anothers script to make it..but don't know if it will work... [02:55] can you take a look at it... === ryu [n=chris@p5487C1C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === supermarkuman is now known as markuman === sanpera [n=sanpera@157.182.195.191] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === aboe [n=aboe@tb-c-76ec.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ik] === slomo [n=slomo@vpn-imt18.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-16-175-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:27] \sh: is the sqlite backend for s9y usable? [03:27] hm, sqlite blog? [03:27] i am sold === Mithrandir likes pyblosxom. [03:28] i used it for a bit, it was nice [03:28] but i cant make it look very pretty [03:28] oh, why? [03:28] i know html and css and all taht [03:29] im just not artsy enough [03:29] the themes on the site are awful [03:29] tseng: hehe same for me ;) === tseng wonders if he should switch from svn to bzr now or later [03:31] NOW !! [03:31] even better: yesterday [03:31] (requires a bit of time travelling though) === sivang would have switched, but he doesn't have any trees to maintain :-( [03:32] sivang, just pull some other trees and get familiar with it :) [03:32] i have my /usr/local/bin and /var/www/myapp in svn for two servers [03:32] which run basically the same code, but one is production === Nafallo never used any RCS before bzr ;-) [03:32] it might be cool to have local RCS and merging 2 ways [03:32] since i do make fixes on production sometimes === Yagisan still uses RCS [03:39] bzr is an odd command to type [03:40] tseng: tell me how your migration from svn to bzr was after you finished it ;) [03:40] i just checked everything in [03:40] i need to figure out how to make it ignore files [03:40] like propedit svn:ignore [03:40] bzr ignore [03:40] oh that is much nicer [03:40] bzr ignore *.rrd [03:40] :D [03:41] bzr: ERROR: unknown command 'update' [03:42] ITYM, pull? [03:42] or merge [03:43] makes sense, sortof === Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] slomo: id say im done, besides setting up trac module [03:46] which is not a priority [03:49] tseng: already?! oh... =) i'll migrate next weekend ;) [03:49] i just did svn export and bzr init, bzr add *, bzr commit === jamessan|work [n=jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:52] tseng: you know about tailor? :-P [03:52] i just looked at it [03:52] i dont care about the previous changes [03:52] ah, oki :-) [03:52] oh... s9y works fine with sqlite backend ;) [03:52] that bzrweb site is down [03:52] oh nice [03:52] link? [03:53] DapperDrake: changed nick or something? ;-) [03:53] Nafallo, thats Seveas' logbotafaik [03:54] ehm... we need two logbots now? [03:55] no idea, ask Seveas [03:56] he got highlighted now so... ;-) [03:58] we could highlight Seveas even more to get more attention :) [03:58] ogra: /msg Seveas [03:59] Treenaks: hehe, that's cruel [04:00] sivang: it works on my coworkers [04:01] Treenaks: did it work? :) [04:01] sivang: yes === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.34.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.34.203] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:16] lifeless: is it safe to assume that any bzr branch is as good as the original? [04:17] lifeless: ie, i can throw away the temp dir i imported after bzr export [04:18] tseng: econtext [04:18] tseng: I am getting ready to travel [04:18] k [04:18] may I suggest #bzr ? [04:18] hm sounds like a nice place to idel [04:18] thanks === Nafallo agrees with tseng :-) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] hey, i have a feature idea for dapper [04:51] it would be cool if bookmarks for epiphany/firefox/konqueror/etc were all stored in one place, so when one is edited they all are === zakame [n=zakame@unaffiliated/zakame] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === zakame [n=zakame@210.213.70.165] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio-- [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] grmbl, highlighters :p- [05:47] ogra, Nafallo: still here? [05:48] yepp :-) === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:48] motu's, Is there a way for me to get gpg to remember my passphrase for a few minutes while I sign all my packages ? [05:48] Yagisan: seahorse-agent == <3 :-) [05:48] Yagisan: use seahorse [05:48] Nafallo, nice, you're on my list :) [05:48] :-) [05:49] gpg-agent > seahorse === Nafallo blinks, list? :-) [05:49] cool - thanks guys [05:49] Nafallo, i'm stting up ubuntu/member hostname cloaks on freenode. Want one? [05:49] Seveas: yay! yes thanks. been waiting for this :-) [05:50] k, only 35 more members to ask :) [05:50] hehe, what will it be? motu/ubuntu/nafallo? ;-) === zyga hopes to become a member tommorow [06:11] motu's is there a tutorial about how to integrate ccache into pbuilder ? [06:14] <\sh> Yagisan: 1. gpg-agent [06:14] <\sh> Yagisan: 2. not that i know off....but someone played with it.. === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] \sh: thanks. I'll see if I can set ccache up - if I do I'll have it stuck on the wiki [06:18] <\sh> Yagisan: don't use seahorse as gpg-agent replacement === Nafallo is someone :-) [06:19] I'm not sure it works atm though. [06:19] Yagisan: what's ccache ? [06:19] <\sh> compiler-cache [06:20] <\sh> caches already compiled object code which is not changed [06:20] ah, it works, sort of :-P [06:20] \sh: nice, that can probably speed up things [06:20] cache hit 78 [06:20] cache miss 63 [06:20] ;-) [06:21] <\sh> Nafallo: u have it running in pbuilder? [06:21] \sh: yes. only in pbuilder actually :-) === \sh is more interessted in pbuilder + dist cc [06:21] <\sh> sivang: but has sometimes many pitfalls [06:22] BINDMOUNTS="/var/cache/ccache" [06:22] \sh: I'm updating my unoffical repo - it is taking a long time manually signing the files [06:22] export CCACHE_DIR="/var/cache/ccache" [06:22] export CCACHE_UMASK="002" [06:22] export PATH="/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH" [06:22] EXTRAPACKAGES="ccache" [06:22] that's for pbuilderrc basically :-) [06:23] you probably have to mkdir /var/cache/ccache :-) [06:23] Nafallo: that's all in your pbuilders ? that looks simple [06:23] Nafallo: now to add distcc and it's all set === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:24] Yagisan: it is :-). but I don't need distcc, since I "only" got one amd64 ;-) [06:24] Nafallo: don't you build "i386" as well ? === Yagisan wonders if it is feasible to distcc over the internet [06:25] no, that's why I need your help with setting up a pbuilder for it :-) [06:25] Nafallo: IIRC just adding -arch i386 to the pbuilder create was enough [06:26] something tells me we should add some PbuilderHowto/[CCache,CrossCompiling] [06:26] :-) [06:26] Nafallo: give me a sec, and I'll doublecheck === Yagisan has many chroots [06:27] Nafallo: Ah, what I did was build separate amd64 and i386 chroots (u510_amd64_pb u510_i386_pb) [06:28] with just --arch i386 for the second build? [06:28] s/build/create/ [06:28] Nafallo: the i386 ones were built with --arch i386 passed to debootstrap [06:29] how to pass that to debootstrap? :-) [06:29] then I just build the pbuilder chroots normally, in my seperate development chroots [06:29] my setup amd64 -> minimal i386 chroot -> pbuilder [06:31] Nafallo: I just went linux32 dchroot u510_i386_pb [06:31] Nafallo: pbuilder create [06:31] hmm [06:31] ha! [06:31] --debootstrapopts --arch i386 should work :-) [06:32] Nafallo: should, but I like to keep my devel chroots separate from each other [06:33] /usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 227: cd: http://localhost:9999: No such file or directory [06:33] pbuilder: debootstrap failed [06:33] WTH? === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:36] Nafallo: sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 breezy ui386_chroot http://192.168.1.1:3142/au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [06:37] Nafallo: That will build you a small i386 chroot [06:37] I tried to call it through pbuilder :-) [06:38] I probably just make it on my girlfriends i386 shuttle and scp it to my box :-) [06:38] Nafallo: I keep my amd64/i386 in different chroots. I set 1 up, and just cp /etc [06:38] or I could use the test-machine I'll soon have hardware for :-) === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] I don't use chroots, I use pbuilders :-) [06:39] Nafallo: my pbuilders live in different chroots [06:39] indeed. mine lives on my system :-). [06:40] Nafallo: Currently I have Ubuntu hoary i386/amd64 breezy i386/amd64 Debian sarge i386/amd64 Debian etch i386/amd64 [06:40] :-) [06:40] and I'm waiting for dapper [06:40] they need their own chroots [06:40] why? [06:41] I can just tar them up, and stick them on dvd when I need to transport them elsewhere [06:41] made it very easy to restore my system :) [06:41] but you can't with your basetgz? [06:43] I could - but I don't want to over complicate my pbuilderrc - I build for a quite a few systems. === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-121-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:45] Nafallo: So, is it worth using distcc with a p2 300 and k6/2 300 ? [06:46] dunno :-P [06:47] do they have anything else to do? :-) [06:49] Nafallo: well the k6 is a firewall, the p2 is a thin client, not exactly demanding jobs [06:49] Nafallo: I wonder if they will actually slow the compile down === sanpera [n=sanpera@157.182.45.16] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:52] they might indeed do just that :-) [06:52] try? :-) [06:53] Nafallo: shortly, I need to actually get ccache and distcc setup first === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.46.163.254] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:05] hi masters of the universe [07:06] <\sh> hey highvoltage [07:06] hey HiddenWolf [07:06] oops [07:06] :) [07:07] hi highvoltage :) [07:07] hey dholbach === HiddenWolf spanks _you_ for tabbing [07:09] me? [07:09] kinky ;-) [07:10] <\sh> spanking? please join #ubuntu-bdsm [07:10] tabbing? [07:11] \sh: you're not there ;-) [07:11] <\sh> ubuntu is humanity ... #ubuntu-love , #ubuntu-bdsm, #ubuntu-roleplaying *eg* [07:12] :-) === Yagisan doesn't see anyone in #ubuntu-bdsm, damm and I had my whips and chains ready [07:17] <\sh> haha... === \sh hides in #ubuntu-gblf === dredg [n=nsherida@216-239-45-4.google.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eazel7 [n=eazel7@host30.201-252-105.telecom.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:26] hi ppl === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@d213-103-106-156.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:39] hi [07:41] dholbach: I remember you Cc MOTURuby on a bug report [07:42] but I can't find the list of bugs where moturuby is Cced [07:44] erm... cced? [07:44] not assigned? [07:45] lucas: there is no such list [07:45] lucas: only if assigned [07:45] in which case [07:45] its [07:45] http://launchpad.net/people/moturuby/+assignedbugs === ryu [n=chris@p5487C1C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:49] those are bugs assigned in malone ? or bugzilla ? [07:50] malone [07:50] bugzilla is not used for universe bugs === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | We did it - we released Breezy! :) === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by dholbach at Thu Oct 13 08:32:52 2005 === _Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:03] Lathiat: do you know if there's a secret email address to contact all members of a launchpad team ? [08:05] lucas: dunno [08:05] lucas: #launchpad or bug report on product launchpad, if you want to complain [08:05] lucas: what do you want to contact about? [08:05] I wanted to contact all members of my team, that's all :-) [08:06] could file a bug ;) [08:14] Lathiat: did that, but in the ubuntu bugzilla [08:14] anyway, I asked, and the answer is no [08:14] i already asked about this also [08:14] they said get a mailing list [08:15] heh [08:15]