[01:54] <theine> Hi, if I install vflib3, I get the following error message many times:
[01:54] <theine> Debian::Defoma::Id::defoma_id_register at line 37 in /var/lib/defoma/scripts/vflib3.defoma: (AlMothnna Bold, /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-arabeyes/ae_AlMothnna_bold.ttf, 20): Illegal argument.
[01:55] <theine> Many times but each time for a different font that is
[02:44] <Kyral> Ooops, hit the wrong button....
[02:45] <LaserJock> oops ;-)
[02:46] <Kyral> Quite interesting experiment. I was in the computer labs and I started an Ethereal trace. While it was tracing I portscanned my computer in my room with nmap
[02:48] <Kyral> While the nmap results were what I expected (SSH was open, which was expected because I set my iptables to let me SSH from those labs)
[02:49] <Kyral> the Ethereal trace was most interesting
[02:54] <LaserJock> Kyral: how so?
[02:55] <Kyral> All the packets it fired at my computer
[02:55] <Kyral> it was a flood!
[02:57] <lifeless> what did you expect ?
[02:58] <Kyral> Well, what was better was that they were all dropped ;P
[03:04] <Kyral> This is boring. I can't wait for Dapper to open. I'm not used to not having updates for weeks
[03:05] <ajmitch> Kyral: sid
[03:06] <Kyral> Nah, it would be too hard to get to it from my current config, though it would be interesting
[03:12] <Kyral> I mean is it just me or have no updates been released in like the past few weeks?
[03:13] <ajmitch> no updates for..?
[03:13] <Kyral> Breezy
[03:13] <ajmitch> the last one I saw for breezy was 3 days ago
[03:14] <Kyral> if there have been it hasn't been for anything I have
[03:14] <ajmitch> probably not
[03:14] <ajmitch> it's only critical fixes
[03:14] <Kyral> yah...after months of loads of daily updates, it feels wierd not having them
[08:50] <\sh> moins
[09:09] <pef> hello
[09:10] <Treenaks> g'morning
[09:47] <dholbach> good morning
[09:53] <lucas> hi dholbach
[09:53] <dholbach> hai lucas
[09:54] <dholbach> hellas ogra
[09:56] <zyga> hey ogra, lucas, dholbach in fifo order
[09:56] <dholbach> :)
[09:57] <siretart> morning MOTUS!
[09:57] <Mortas> moin
[09:57] <dholbach> hey reinhard, hey mortas
[10:08] <_Tonio_> morning all
[10:11] <dholbach> hey _Tonio_
[10:12] <_Tonio_> fine ?
[10:12] <_Tonio_> dholbach: We finally organised with JRe and a few personns on #kubuntu-fr and we have build a little repo
[10:13] <_Tonio_> backporting to breezy and submitting a maximum packages for dapper ;)
[10:13] <dholbach> why do you do an own repo?
[10:13] <_Tonio_> why ?
[10:13] <dholbach> we have an official backports team now
[10:13] <_Tonio_> yep, but how to submit packages ?
[10:13] <dholbach> we can mail to ubuntubackports@ and let stuff be backported
[10:13] <_Tonio_> well I'd be glad to add them to the backports
[10:14] <dholbach> stuff that is in the archive can be backported (if it makes sense)
[10:14] <dholbach> revu is the other way to submit packages
[10:15] <_Tonio_> dholbach: isn't backports supposed to be for already packages applications ?
[10:16] <dholbach> for stuff that is already in the archive yet
[10:16] <dholbach> yes
[10:16] <_Tonio_> okay, in fact we are going to submit all of those packages or dapper
[10:16] <_Tonio_> and provide a breezy version
[10:16] <dholbach> hrm
[10:17] <_Tonio_> dholbach: I can understand
[10:17] <_Tonio_> but well, if those cannot be added to the backports......
[10:17] <_Tonio_> getting wlassistant or codeine packages can be interesting for breezy users waiting for dapper ;)
[10:18] <dholbach> i think we should test stuff a bit in dapper
[10:18] <dholbach> but ok, i can't stop you from doing it :)
[10:18] <_Tonio_> but anyway, if you have another solution than building a repo, I'd be glad to go in another way
[10:18] <dholbach> none that would make you happy
[10:18] <_Tonio_> dholbach: understand me, I've done a repo because backports isn't supposed to host new packages ;)
[10:19] <dholbach> *nod*
[10:19] <_Tonio_> our goal is to see all our packages in universe
[10:19] <_Tonio_> that's the goal and will always be ;)
[10:19] <dholbach> the problem is: what will do with bug reports? ask first from which repo they are?
[10:19] <_Tonio_> yes I understand this............
[10:20] <siretart> _Tonio_: I'd also suggest getting your stuff/packages into dapper, and ensure that the source package also builds in breezy
[10:20] <siretart> _Tonio_: and you'll get official backports for free
[10:20] <_Tonio_> siretart: that's what we're gonna do
[10:20] <_Tonio_> but getting a package in dapper can take month ;)
[10:21] <_Tonio_> in fact any package added to dapper would be deleted
[10:21] <siretart> _Tonio_: then we should work on this problem
[10:21] <dholbach> that's life
[10:21] <_Tonio_> dholbach: ;)
[10:21] <dholbach> honestly, we work a lot to get rid of external repos
[10:22] <dholbach> because they're a bit problematic
[10:22] <dholbach> we worked hard to integrate backports into ubuntu itself (as an official project)
[10:22] <_Tonio_> yep
[10:22] <dholbach> before each release, we try to integrate as much from apt-get.org as possible
[10:22] <dholbach> and we have a big bunch of MOTUs who try to get in the best of the OSS world as a package
[10:23] <dholbach> you know that packages in external repos get stale
[10:23] <dholbach> and they're often buggy (no offense towards you, you do a good job)
[10:23] <_Tonio_> no but I know that you're right....
[10:23] <dholbach> and to ask in a bug tracker "where did you get the package" is really not, what i want to do as a standard question
[10:24] <dholbach> i understand, that users press us to get as much software out as possible
[10:24] <_Tonio_> the problem is that you know, it is VERY frustrating to see that an application that is not added at the release date will probably never be, until in the next version
[10:24] <_Tonio_> ;)
[10:24] <dholbach> and that we are all annoyed after waiting for reviews/...
[10:24] <_Tonio_> no but I understand your point of view.....
[10:24] <dholbach> but that's necessary to ensure quality
[10:25] <dholbach> that's how we invite people to play with dapper
[10:25] <dholbach> because that's the development cycle
[10:25] <_Tonio_> yep, I'll send that log to JRe if you don't mind
[10:25] <dholbach> no problem... i can't stop you from doing it, really
[10:25] <_Tonio_> well the goal will not change, but we may use the repo only for private use
[10:26] <_Tonio_> dholbach: I wanna contribute, not creating problems :)
[10:26] <dholbach> yeah
[10:26] <dholbach> i'll try to help you achieving that goal
[10:26] <Lathiat> i guess the problem here is that the backports mandate is only to backport new packages from dapper right? as such theres a hole people want to fill
[10:26] <_Tonio_> the goal will be the same, the result will be the same, except that we will have to wait for the packages to be added ;)
[10:26] <_Tonio_> patience
[10:27] <_Tonio_> but that's better for everyone and I perfectly understand this
[10:27] <dholbach>  /me hugs _Tonio_ :)
[10:27] <_Tonio_> dholbach: ^_^
[10:28] <_Tonio_> what could be interesting is maybe allow some new packages in backports
[10:28] <dholbach> that should be discussed on ubuntu-{devel,backports}@
[10:28] <_Tonio_> I mean, it is said and know that backports repos are not safe for stability
[10:28] <_Tonio_> and there has been new packages in backports in the past
[10:28] <_Tonio_> remember java, w32codecs and many more
[10:28] <dholbach> erm
[10:28] <dholbach> those were the unofficial ones
[10:29] <dholbach> we can't ship sun java and w32*
[10:29] <_Tonio_> yes... rules are today different
[10:29] <dholbach> ah ok, yes
[10:29] <_Tonio_> dholbach: understand me, many many people for example are using wifi
[10:30] <_Tonio_> and one of the best tools for this (and maybe the only one for kde) is wlassistant
[10:30] <dholbach> i understand that perfectly
[10:30] <dholbach> some of my packages weren't brought in either
[10:30] <_Tonio_> the package didn't go in universe for lack of time reasons that I can understand
[10:30] <dholbach> i'd say, get it into dapper asap
[10:30] <dholbach> the archive isnt open yet, so we could do some reviews too
[10:31] <dholbach> then discuss NEW packages in ubuntu-backports@ on the mailing lists
[10:31] <_Tonio_> but well, it's problematic to say that something giving a response to one of breezy's problems cannot be added ;)
[10:31] <_Tonio_> that's what we wanted to provide, but anyway, it creates more problems that it resolves so, private use, and let's go for dapper
[10:33] <dholbach> maybe we can establish the need for those and create rules for those types of backports
[10:33] <_Tonio_> for specific packages that would be good
[10:33] <_Tonio_> it is not very common, but a few packages are really filling a hole sometime, and wlassistant is one of this
[10:43] <_Tonio_> dholbach: the repo is closed to the public, let's go for private use, and concentrate on dapper
[10:43] <dholbach> ok :)
[10:47] <_Tonio_> dholbach: I finally understood that you don't want a Suse-like package management ^_^
[10:47] <_Tonio_> I left Suse for this reason ;)
[10:48] <dholbach> suse-like?
[10:48] <_Tonio_> have you managed to work with Suse ?
[10:48] <_Tonio_> repos are a complete mess !
[10:49] <dholbach> ah yes :)
[10:49] <dholbach> i remotely remember :)
[10:55] <herzi> dholbach: morging
[10:55] <herzi> morning
[10:56] <dholbach> hellas herzi
[10:56] <dholbach> so you made it to hamburg alright :)
[10:56] <herzi> yes
[10:56] <dholbach> i suppose you slept well
[10:57] <herzi> and it was a great trip: 19:45 the ice starts at berlin zoo; 19:50 my notebook starts playing music (using mplayer because of that gstreamer-alsa bug); 20:50 the album finishes, i wake up and there's only 25 minutes left
[10:58] <dholbach> sounds like good timing
[10:59] <herzi> yes, the train was 5 minutes earler than expected, just nice to see that train can arrive in time
[11:14] <ajmitch> hm
[11:14] <ajmitch> a bunch of zope packages are getting removed from debian since noone loves them
[11:15] <ajmitch> I wonder what we should do with them
[11:15] <ajmitch> since I know that at least 1 of them on the list is used :)
[11:15] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, seriously, nobody loves zope? ;)
[11:15] <ajmitch> :P
[12:16] <mahangu_> anybody know how to make a cvs checkout of a previous revision?
[12:18] <ajmitch> mahangu_: cvs co -r <revision>
[12:18] <ajmitch> iirc
[12:30] <lifeless> mahangu_: hahahahaha
[12:31] <lifeless> mahangu_: cvs does not have that concept.
[12:31] <lifeless> mahangu_: the closest you can come is date based, or use one of the wrapper scripts like cscvs/cvsps etc
[12:32] <mahangu_> lifeless, what's the syntax ajmitch just used?
[12:32] <lifeless> it checks out a single files revision, or a tag.
[12:33] <lifeless> i.e. if you tagged 'pre-release-1.4' you can cvs co -r pre-relase-1.4
[12:33] <lifeless> likewise, if you want foo.c rev 1.3, you can cvs co -r 1.3 foo.c
[12:33] <lifeless> but rev numbers are per file not repo whide
[12:33] <lifeless> *wide*
[12:33] <lifeless> so cvs -r 1.3 ..project
[12:33] <lifeless> will give you *very* strange results
[12:34] <ajmitch> lifeless: silly me, I haven't been using cvs for too long :)
[12:34] <lifeless> ajmitch: np:)
[12:34] <lifeless> its not like you *expect* software to be brain damaged
[12:35] <mahangu_> ah
[12:35] <ajmitch> I've been caught up using svn at work
[12:35] <mahangu_> lifeless, currently only one file
[12:35] <mahangu_> should be alright?
[12:35] <ajmitch> & cursing its poor branching & merging
[12:35] <lifeless> ajmitch: bzr, bzr, bZR, BZR
[12:35] <ajmitch> oh I'd like to :)
[02:07] <Kyral> *groan* Another Bug against VLC to reject
[02:08] <Kyral> people really hate that wxwidgets switch....
[02:16] <HiddenWolf> Kyral, unusable vlc was worse
[02:16] <spacey> that related to why vlc is so ugly now?
[02:17] <HiddenWolf> spacey, yeah, the new version was horribly broken the day before release, so they switched to the older toolkit.
[02:17] <Kyral> and people haven't stopped complaining
[02:17] <spacey> but before it was looking good and working
[02:17] <Kyral> personally I never used the Playlist so I didn't understand until crimsun explained it to me
[02:17] <HiddenWolf> spacey, it wasn't, at all.
[02:18] <spacey> i could play my movies
[02:18] <spacey> :D
[02:18] <spacey> worked fine
[02:19] <Kyral> Yah same here. I have half a mind to build a VLC against 2.6 and release it Backports style
[02:20] <Kyral> Your Mileage My Vary ;P
[02:20] <spacey> :>
[02:21] <Kyral> Thing is building it against Sid is a PAIN. And I have class so cya
[02:22] <slomo> \sh: ping?
[02:24] <dholbach> hi slomo
[02:24] <slomo> hi dholbach :)
[02:25] <zakame> good evening pht :)
[02:26] <marcin> hi all
[02:26] <marcin> got a question - is there available package with php manual?
[02:26] <marcin> and if not (I think it isn't but not sure) then why? is this about license?
[02:27] <Lathiat> no but www.php.net is great, www.php.net/function and it does a search :)
[02:27] <marcin> I would like to prepare such package but in texi format for emacs but license is not gpl - I'll have to ask for permisiion
[02:27] <Lathiat> also i see a php3-doc, none for later versions tho, weird
[02:28] <Lathiat> you can docs in various formats from php.net, no idea on the license
[02:28] <marcin> and not sure if they will allow to modify their documentation
[02:28] <marcin> it's PHP License - you can distribute but need permission form PHP
[02:29] <marcin> it's called Open Publication License, v1.0
[02:29] <marcin> http://www.opencontent.org/openpub
[02:29] <Lathiat> open pub?
[02:29] <Lathiat> beer free too? :)
[02:30] <marcin> could be :)
[02:30] <Lathiat> doubtful :(
[02:30] <marcin> question where is this pub - hope that not too far from me
[02:30] <marcin> anyway I would like to patch emacs info-look.el
[02:30] <marcin> and add support for context sensitive help mode for php
[02:31] <marcin> but the problem is with format - I need to convert docbook to texi/info format (but it's my problem)
[02:31] <marcin> and another thing is that license
[02:32] <lucas> dholbach: you there ?
[02:32] <dholbach> yes
[02:33] <lucas> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTURuby
[02:33] <lucas> the "Thoughts about management of packages in universe"
[02:33] <lucas> this applies to all MOTU teams, not just ruby, so I'd like to move it elsewhere
[02:34] <lucas> but I'm not sure where
[02:35] <dholbach> lucas: hmm
[02:35] <lucas> (I know there are some mistakes in this)
[02:35] <dholbach> lucas: of course being in sync with debian is good
[02:36] <dholbach> lucas: but this shouldn't be the only goal of a MOTU*Team
[02:36] <\sh> slomo: pong
[02:37] <lucas> dholbach: I know. however, i'm not interested in forking debian packages inside MOTURuby
[02:37] <dholbach> lucas: you focus quite heavily on it... i mean, seeing things realistically and not clinging to goals we can't achieve is ok, but if we feel the need to get a new version in or do things differently than debian, then we should do it
[02:37] <Lathiat> 2/3 of those scripts down the bottom already exist
[02:37] <dholbach> lucas: it has nothing to do with forks
[02:37] <lucas> dholbach: currently, MOTURuby has done *nothing*
[02:37] <dholbach> lucas: if we see the need for a change and we can justify it, we should go for it
[02:38] <lucas> I'd prefer to do this rather than nothing
[02:38] <dholbach> lucas: you have to be patient
[02:38] <dholbach> lucas: we had a release in between
[02:38] <dholbach> lucas: and no archive to upload to
[02:38] <slomo> \sh: can you tell me something about s9y? ;) is it really the best blogging system available? what are the advantages over wordpress for example?
[02:38] <\sh> slomo: it is...
[02:38] <lucas> Lathiat: where ? where is it documented ?
[02:39] <\sh> slomo: automatic trackback determination
[02:39] <Lathiat> no, just some stuff ajmitch & i have hacked up
[02:39] <\sh> slomo: works with mysql and postgres
[02:39] <lucas> Lathiat: then you should make them available in a package or sthing
[02:39] <\sh> slomo: easy to install/update
[02:39] <\sh> slomo: and plugin installer from the net
[02:39] <Lathiat> indeed
[02:39] <Lathiat> their in a bzr repo somewhere
[02:40] <dholbach> lucas: i really appreciate your efforts and i see your point, but we have to create visions and ideas. "don't deviate, because we have not idea, if we succeed" is a no-go and never was the "motu attitude" :)
[02:40] <slomo> \sh: can it import entries from the wordpress database for easy migration?
[02:40] <\sh> slomo: very good spam protection...captcha handling included
[02:40] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yeah, I'll put them up over UBZ or something :)
[02:40] <\sh> slomo: it can handle imports from several blogs..via RSS2 feeds
[02:40] <Lathiat> ajmitch: :)
[02:40] <dholbach> lucas: if you're incontent with how things are run, let's talk about it in the team (motu meeting maybe) and we'll try to get the ruby team there
[02:40] <ajmitch> Lathiat: they're on tiber but in an old format bzr repo, and I've been cleaning them up since then
[02:41] <slomo> \sh: ok, hm... i think i'll do a testinstall in the next days :) any advices you can give me? ;)
[02:41] <lucas> dholbach: we really need a mailing list for this. I don't have time to spend 3 hours in an IRC meeting discussing this
[02:41] <lucas> (like the other evening)
[02:42] <dholbach> lucas: i hope you don't say "i don't have the time to discuss this", but alright, let's take it to ubuntu-devel@
[02:42] <dholbach> lucas: because i appreaciate the ruby efforts (having no clue about ruby at all :))
[02:42] <\sh> slomo: well...create an mysql/postgres db, a user and a password, db should have all rights for the user...imagemagick install or libgd (i prefer imagemagick), $DOCROOT/uploads should have write permissions for the apache user, enable mod_rewrite...and after doing all this (unpacking the software before all that) just point your browser to http://your.install.tld/ that's it
[02:43] <\sh> slomo: .htaccess should be enabled for the docroot
[02:43] <\sh> slomo: that's all..really...no patching, no strange installation stuff..
[02:44] <slomo> \sh: does it support something like the wordpress permalinks? ;)
[02:44] <slomo> \sh: and would you recommend 0.8.5 or 0.9-beta?
[02:45] <\sh> slomo: permalinks are supported
[02:45] <\sh> slomo: latest SVN ,-)
[02:45] <ogra> lucas, mail to ubuntu-devel as i said the other day...
[02:46] <slomo> \sh: hmm... ok =) is it safe to use?
[02:47] <\sh> slomo: yes
[02:51] <\sh> what's the problem with ruby?
[02:51] <lucas> ajmitch: could you release them soon ? so I can review them/improve them/send patches
[02:51] <Treenaks> \sh: it derailed?
[02:51] <slomo> \sh: thanks... will try it later :)
[02:52] <slomo> ajmitch: did you already look at my packages and xsp? ;)
[02:54] <\sh> Treenaks: hmm...I thought ruby was the name of the maid in one tv series long time ago
[02:54] <aboe> I got a question about building packages...can I ask it here??
[02:54] <Treenaks> aboe: go ahead
[02:55] <\sh> meeting...bbl
[02:55] <aboe> I made a buildscript that will build deb packages from a cvs source
[02:55] <aboe> I used anothers script to make it..but don't know if it will work...
[02:55] <aboe> can you take a look at it...
[03:27] <slomo> \sh: is the sqlite backend for s9y usable?
[03:27] <tseng> hm, sqlite blog?
[03:27] <tseng> i am sold
[03:28] <tseng> i used it for a bit, it was nice
[03:28] <tseng> but i cant make it look very pretty
[03:28] <Mithrandir> oh, why?
[03:28] <tseng> i know html and css and all taht
[03:29] <tseng> im just not artsy enough
[03:29] <tseng> the themes on the site are awful
[03:29] <slomo> tseng: hehe same for me ;)
[03:31] <ogra> NOW !!
[03:31] <ogra> even better: yesterday
[03:31] <ogra> (requires a bit of time travelling though)
[03:32] <ogra> sivang, just pull some other trees and get familiar with it :)
[03:32] <tseng> i have my /usr/local/bin and /var/www/myapp in svn for two servers
[03:32] <tseng> which run basically the same code, but one is production
[03:32] <tseng> it might be cool to have local RCS and merging 2 ways
[03:32] <tseng> since i do make fixes on production sometimes
[03:39] <tseng> bzr is an odd command to type
[03:40] <slomo> tseng: tell me how your migration from svn to bzr was after you finished it ;)
[03:40] <tseng> i just checked everything in
[03:40] <tseng> i need to figure out how to make it ignore files
[03:40] <tseng> like propedit svn:ignore
[03:40] <lifeless> bzr ignore
[03:40] <tseng> oh that is much nicer
[03:40] <tseng>  bzr ignore *.rrd
[03:40] <tseng> :D
[03:41] <tseng> bzr: ERROR: unknown command 'update'
[03:42] <Mithrandir> ITYM, pull?
[03:42] <Mithrandir> or merge
[03:43] <tseng> makes sense, sortof
[03:46] <tseng> slomo: id say im done, besides setting up trac module
[03:46] <tseng> which is not a priority
[03:49] <slomo> tseng: already?! oh... =) i'll migrate next weekend ;)
[03:49] <tseng> i just did svn export and bzr init, bzr add *, bzr commit
[03:52] <Nafallo> tseng: you know about tailor? :-P
[03:52] <tseng> i just looked at it
[03:52] <tseng> i dont care about the previous changes
[03:52] <Nafallo> ah, oki :-)
[03:52] <slomo> oh... s9y works fine with sqlite backend ;)
[03:52] <tseng> that bzrweb site is down
[03:52] <tseng> oh nice
[03:52] <tseng> link?
[03:53] <Nafallo> DapperDrake: changed nick or something? ;-)
[03:53] <ogra> Nafallo, thats Seveas' logbotafaik
[03:54] <Nafallo> ehm... we need two logbots now?
[03:55] <ogra> no idea, ask Seveas
[03:56] <Nafallo> he got highlighted now so... ;-)
[03:58] <ogra> we could highlight Seveas even more to get more attention :)
[03:58] <Treenaks> ogra: /msg Seveas <ctrl+g>
[03:59] <sivang> Treenaks: hehe, that's cruel
[04:00] <Treenaks> sivang: it works on my coworkers
[04:01] <sivang> Treenaks: did it work? :)
[04:01] <Treenaks> sivang: yes
[04:16] <tseng> lifeless: is it safe to assume that any bzr branch is as good as the original?
[04:17] <tseng> lifeless: ie, i can throw away the temp dir i imported after bzr export
[04:18] <lifeless> tseng: econtext
[04:18] <lifeless> tseng: I am getting ready to travel
[04:18] <tseng> k
[04:18] <lifeless> may I suggest #bzr ?
[04:18] <tseng> hm sounds like a nice place to idel
[04:18] <tseng> thanks
[04:50] <DerekS> hey, i have a feature idea for dapper
[04:51] <DerekS> it would be cool if bookmarks for epiphany/firefox/konqueror/etc were all stored in one place, so when one is edited they all are
[05:47] <Seveas> grmbl, highlighters :p-
[05:47] <Seveas> ogra, Nafallo: still here?
[05:48] <Nafallo> yepp :-)
[05:48] <Yagisan> motu's, Is there a way for me to get gpg to remember my passphrase for a few minutes while I sign all my packages ?
[05:48] <Nafallo> Yagisan: seahorse-agent == <3 :-)
[05:48] <zyga> Yagisan: use seahorse
[05:48] <Seveas> Nafallo, nice, you're on my list :)
[05:48] <zyga> :-)
[05:49] <Seveas> gpg-agent > seahorse
[05:49] <Yagisan> cool - thanks guys
[05:49] <Seveas> Nafallo, i'm stting up ubuntu/member hostname cloaks on freenode. Want one?
[05:49] <Nafallo> Seveas: yay! yes thanks. been waiting for this :-)
[05:50] <Seveas> k, only 35 more members to ask :)
[05:50] <Nafallo> hehe, what will it be? motu/ubuntu/nafallo? ;-)
[06:11] <Yagisan> motu's is there a tutorial about how to integrate ccache into pbuilder ?
[06:14] <\sh> Yagisan: 1. gpg-agent
[06:14] <\sh> Yagisan: 2. not that i know off....but someone played with it..
[06:16] <Yagisan> \sh: thanks. I'll see if I can set ccache up - if I do I'll have it stuck on the wiki
[06:18] <\sh> Yagisan: don't use seahorse as gpg-agent replacement
[06:19] <Nafallo> I'm not sure it works atm though.
[06:19] <sivang> Yagisan: what's ccache ?
[06:19] <\sh> compiler-cache
[06:20] <\sh> caches already compiled object code which is not changed
[06:20] <Nafallo> ah, it works, sort of :-P
[06:20] <sivang> \sh: nice, that can probably speed up things
[06:20] <Nafallo> cache hit                             78
[06:20] <Nafallo> cache miss                            63
[06:20] <Nafallo> ;-)
[06:21] <\sh> Nafallo: u have it running in pbuilder?
[06:21] <Nafallo> \sh: yes. only in pbuilder actually :-)
[06:21] <\sh> sivang: but has sometimes many pitfalls
[06:22] <Nafallo> BINDMOUNTS="/var/cache/ccache"
[06:22] <Yagisan> \sh: I'm updating my unoffical repo - it is taking a long time manually signing the files
[06:22] <Nafallo> export CCACHE_DIR="/var/cache/ccache"
[06:22] <Nafallo> export CCACHE_UMASK="002"
[06:22] <Nafallo> export PATH="/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH"
[06:22] <Nafallo> EXTRAPACKAGES="ccache"
[06:22] <Nafallo> that's for pbuilderrc basically :-)
[06:23] <Nafallo> you probably have to mkdir /var/cache/ccache :-)
[06:23] <Yagisan> Nafallo: that's all in your pbuilders ? that looks simple
[06:23] <Yagisan> Nafallo: now to add distcc and it's all set
[06:24] <Nafallo> Yagisan: it is :-). but I don't need distcc, since I "only" got one amd64 ;-)
[06:24] <Yagisan> Nafallo: don't you build "i386" as well ?
[06:25] <Nafallo> no, that's why I need your help with setting up a pbuilder for it :-)
[06:25] <Yagisan> Nafallo: IIRC just adding -arch i386 to the pbuilder create was enough
[06:26] <Nafallo> something tells me we should add some PbuilderHowto/[CCache,CrossCompiling] 
[06:26] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:26] <Yagisan> Nafallo: give me a sec, and I'll doublecheck
[06:27] <Yagisan> Nafallo: Ah, what I did was build separate amd64 and i386 chroots (u510_amd64_pb  u510_i386_pb)
[06:28] <Nafallo> with just --arch i386 for the second build?
[06:28] <Nafallo> s/build/create/
[06:28] <Yagisan> Nafallo: the i386 ones were built with --arch i386 passed to debootstrap
[06:29] <Nafallo> how to pass that to debootstrap? :-)
[06:29] <Yagisan> then I just build the pbuilder chroots normally, in my seperate development chroots
[06:29] <Yagisan> my setup amd64 -> minimal i386 chroot -> pbuilder
[06:31] <Yagisan> Nafallo: I just went linux32 dchroot u510_i386_pb
[06:31] <Yagisan> Nafallo: pbuilder create
[06:31] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:31] <Nafallo> ha!
[06:31] <Nafallo> --debootstrapopts --arch i386 should work :-)
[06:32] <Yagisan> Nafallo: should, but I like to keep my devel chroots separate from each other
[06:33] <Nafallo> /usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 227: cd: http://localhost:9999: No such file or directory
[06:33] <Nafallo> pbuilder: debootstrap failed
[06:33] <Nafallo> WTH?
[06:36] <Yagisan> Nafallo: sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 breezy ui386_chroot http://192.168.1.1:3142/au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[06:37] <Yagisan> Nafallo: That will build you a small i386 chroot
[06:37] <Nafallo> I tried to call it through pbuilder :-)
[06:38] <Nafallo> I probably just make it on my girlfriends i386 shuttle and scp it to my box :-)
[06:38] <Yagisan> Nafallo: I keep my amd64/i386 in different chroots. I set 1 up, and just cp /etc
[06:38] <Nafallo> or I could use the test-machine I'll soon have hardware for :-)
[06:38] <Nafallo> I don't use chroots, I use pbuilders :-)
[06:39] <Yagisan> Nafallo: my pbuilders live in different chroots
[06:39] <Nafallo> indeed. mine lives on my system :-).
[06:40] <Yagisan> Nafallo: Currently I have Ubuntu hoary i386/amd64 breezy i386/amd64 Debian sarge i386/amd64 Debian etch i386/amd64
[06:40] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:40] <Yagisan> and I'm waiting for dapper
[06:40] <Yagisan> they need their own chroots
[06:40] <Nafallo> why?
[06:41] <Yagisan> I can just tar them up, and stick them on dvd when I need to transport them elsewhere
[06:41] <Yagisan> made it very easy to restore my system :)
[06:41] <Nafallo> but you can't with your basetgz?
[06:43] <Yagisan> I could - but I don't want to over complicate my pbuilderrc - I build for a quite a few systems.
[06:45] <Yagisan> Nafallo: So, is it worth using distcc with a p2 300 and k6/2 300 ?
[06:46] <Nafallo> dunno :-P
[06:47] <Nafallo> do they have anything else to do? :-)
[06:49] <Yagisan> Nafallo: well the k6 is a firewall, the p2 is a thin client, not exactly demanding jobs
[06:49] <Yagisan> Nafallo: I wonder if they will actually slow the compile down
[06:52] <Nafallo> they might indeed do just that :-)
[06:52] <Nafallo> try? :-)
[06:53] <Yagisan> Nafallo: shortly, I need to actually get ccache and distcc setup first
[07:05] <highvoltage> hi masters of the universe
[07:06] <\sh> hey highvoltage
[07:06] <dholbach> hey HiddenWolf
[07:06] <dholbach> oops
[07:06] <dholbach> :)
[07:07] <dholbach> hi highvoltage :)
[07:07] <HiddenWolf> hey dholbach
[07:09] <dholbach> me?
[07:09] <Nafallo> kinky ;-)
[07:10] <\sh> spanking? please join #ubuntu-bdsm
[07:10] <highvoltage> tabbing?
[07:11] <Nafallo> \sh: you're not there ;-)
[07:11] <\sh> ubuntu is humanity ... #ubuntu-love , #ubuntu-bdsm, #ubuntu-roleplaying *eg*
[07:12] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:17] <\sh> haha...
[07:26] <eazel7> hi ppl
[07:39] <lucas> hi
[07:41] <lucas> dholbach: I remember you Cc MOTURuby on a bug report
[07:42] <lucas> but I can't find the list of bugs where moturuby is Cced
[07:44] <dholbach> erm... cced?
[07:44] <dholbach> not assigned?
[07:45] <Lathiat> lucas: there is no such list
[07:45] <Lathiat> lucas: only if assigned
[07:45] <Lathiat> in which case
[07:45] <Lathiat> its
[07:45] <Lathiat> http://launchpad.net/people/moturuby/+assignedbugs
[07:49] <lucas> those are bugs assigned in malone ? or bugzilla ?
[07:50] <Lathiat> malone
[07:50] <Lathiat> bugzilla is not used for universe bugs
[08:03] <lucas> Lathiat: do you know if there's a secret email address to contact all members of a launchpad team ?
[08:05] <Lathiat> lucas: dunno
[08:05] <dholbach> lucas: #launchpad or bug report on product launchpad, if you want to complain
[08:05] <Lathiat> lucas: what do you want to contact about?
[08:05] <lucas> I wanted to contact all members of my team, that's all :-)
[08:06] <Lathiat> could file a bug ;)
[08:14] <lucas> Lathiat: did that, but in the ubuntu bugzilla
[08:14] <lucas> anyway, I asked, and the answer is no
[08:14] <tseng> i already asked about this also
[08:14] <tseng> they said get a mailing list
[08:15] <Lathiat> heh
[08:15] <lucas> but when you ask for a mailing list, I think they say "use ubuntu-devel"
[08:15] <lucas> so this quite sucks
[08:16] <Lathiat> lucas: how does it suck
[08:16] <Lathiat> use it :)
[08:17] <lucas> but then, first, I have to check that all members of moturuby have subscribed to ubuntu-devel, and are reading it closely enough to see my post
[08:17] <Lathiat> CC is usefull
[08:17] <Lathiat> to: ubuntu-devel, cc: all moturuby people
[08:18] <Lathiat> odds are it'l get enough attention anyway but
[08:19] <zyga> moturuby
[08:19] <zyga> hey guys
[08:19] <zyga> what's up?
[08:20] <lucas> phone
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[08:29] <lucas> zyga: I don't know if you read it, but I started adding some ideas on the MOTURuby page
[08:29] <zyga> lucas: I followed them carefully
[08:29] <lucas> any comments ?
[08:30] <zyga> not yet really I've just read that and added thinking about it to my TODO list
[08:30] <lucas> :-)
[08:30] <zyga> I'm trying to get l10n-ng into dapper and I desperatly need to trim features to meet the deadline
[08:31] <lucas> ng ?
[08:31] <lucas> is that a country code ?
[08:31] <zyga> lucas: next generation
[08:31] <lucas> ah, this ng :-)
[08:31] <zyga> lucas: it's a whole new concept, I want to scrap language packs
[08:32] <zyga> lucas: I need support from all sides :-)
[08:33] <zyga> lucas: but right now I need time to finish the specs and get feedback from the top guys
[08:37] <siretart> hi folks
[08:38] <dholbach> hey reinhard
[08:38] <zyga> lucas: is there anyone who reviews REVU ruby sutff?
[08:38] <lucas> I dunno
[08:38] <zyga> I've put 2 packages there
[08:38] <lucas> I'm not an ubuntu member
[08:38] <lucas> so I can't help with that
[08:38] <lucas> which packages ?
[08:39] <zyga> lucas: alexandria and its dependencies
[08:39] <lucas> did you use the debian package as a basis ?
[08:39] <zyga> lucas: really cool but doesn't work on our ruby, you neet to upgrade to real 1.8.3 (we've got a fake 1.8.2-9)
[08:39] <zyga> lucas: for the alexandria - yes
[08:39] <tseng> what is alexandria
[08:40] <zyga> I only fetched the new source tarball and upgraded dependencies
[08:40] <tseng> nm
[08:40] <zyga> tseng: it's really cool book catalogue
[08:40] <zyga> lucas: for the libzoom-ruby I did everything from scratch
[08:40] <zyga> lucas: BTW: I've found out that there is an alexandria community and that they have managed to hack the same things together
[08:41] <lucas> ok
[08:41] <zyga> but they never released any source code, only .debs
[08:41] <zyga> I tried to contact them but in vain
[08:41] <lucas> from http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/alexandria.html, I see paulvt did some NMUs on alexandria
[08:41] <lucas> you should really mail him
[08:41] <zyga> who is paulvt
[08:41] <lucas> Paul Van Tillburg
[08:41] <zyga> anyway I'm not sure about my package --- it's my first package really
[08:42] <lucas> a debian developer, maintainer of lots of ruby pkgs
[08:42] <zyga> lucas: is he anywhere on irc?
[08:42] <zyga> I prefer that to email everytime
[08:42] <lucas> usually Mozillion on #debian-ruby, but you'll have to be lucky
[08:42] <lucas> he isn't here currently
[08:42] <lucas> and I haven't seen him lately
[08:43] <zyga> lucas: right
[08:43] <zyga> I really need to get up to speed with packaging
[08:43] <zyga> alexandria is big and complex and I'm still a novice
[08:43] <zyga> anyway -- it works for me
[08:44] <zyga> lucas: could you try to build my package?
[08:44] <lucas> I don't have an ubuntu box accessible right now
[08:45] <zyga> ok
[08:49] <siretart> zyga: I put together a small script which does your 'important' list on the wiki
[08:49] <siretart> zyga: http://revu.tauware.de/~siretart/ruby
[08:50] <siretart> zyga: I intend to run in in a cronjob once a day to replace that list on the wiki. what do you think?
[08:50] <siretart> lucas: or did you put that list on the wiki? ;)
[08:54] <lucas> siretart: I'm just going to mail ubuntu-devel about such scripts
[08:55] <siretart> lucas: we have tiber to host such scripts, you know
[08:55] <lucas> yes, but I think some of them should be packaged
[08:55] <lucas> we don't need to run all of them of tiber
[08:56] <siretart> depends. This list seemed to me a good candidate
[08:56] <lucas> this particular one, yes
[08:57] <siretart> if you have additional ones, just leave me a note
[08:57] <lucas> are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel ?
[08:58] <siretart> I am, and I read that list
[08:58] <lucas> btw, you script lacks a shebang, and should be named .bash, not .sh
[08:58] <lucas> $() doesn't work in sh
[08:59] <siretart> oh. thanks for pointer
[08:59] <Mithrandir> lucas: $() is posix sh
[08:59] <lucas> Mithrandir: you sure ?
[08:59] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@xoog ~ > dash
[08:59] <Mithrandir> \u@\h:\w$ echo $(echo foo)
[08:59] <Mithrandir> foo
[08:59] <Mithrandir> lucas: yes.
[09:02] <lucas> Mithrandir: seems so
[09:02] <lucas> siretart: but you still need to add a shebang ;)
[09:02] <siretart> lucas: already done
[09:13] <zyga> siretart: good idea, I've already seen that script
[09:14] <zyga> siretart: I was rather amazed on how quick it showed up :-)
[09:16] <siretart> I just took the commands from the wiki
[09:20] <lucas> siretart: you had the good idea to replace grep -e with grep -w I think
[09:43] <slomo_> \sh_away: s9y convinced me :) i'll migrate when 0.9 is released... should be next week or something ;)
[10:04] <Amaranth> woo, the only error or warning lintian and linda give for my alacarte package is that dapper isn't a distro
[10:04] <ivoks> hi
[10:04] <Amaranth> checking deb, changes, and dsc
[10:05] <Amaranth> now i just need to wait for a real release (sometime this week)
[10:22] <jmg> guys is any work being done in dapper for a new init scheme?
[10:22] <jmg> something to make stuff boot faster?
[10:24] <dholbach> i suppose you check the wiki at UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs
[10:24] <dholbach> and that's more of a #ubuntu-devel question
[10:25] <dholbach> since the stuff won't land in universe :)
[10:28] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/replacement-init
[10:28] <ogra> jmg, ^^^
[10:29] <hub> he dholbach
[10:30] <dholbach> hey hub
[10:30] <dholbach> how are you?
[10:30] <hub> am ok
[10:30] <hub> plenty of spare time now
[10:30] <dholbach> oh yeah, i read it
[10:31] <Amaranth> i hope they decide to use launchd
[10:31] <dredg> morning
[10:31] <dholbach> hey dredg
[10:31] <dholbach> "morning" - haha :)
[10:31] <hub> dholbach: the positive side is that I will have plenty of time for UBZ :-)
[10:31] <dredg> well, 13.30
[10:31] <dredg> but closer to morning than you are :)
[10:31] <dholbach> ah, california?
[10:32] <dholbach> hub: i look forward to it :)
[10:32] <dredg> there's no way i can make ubz, sadly
[10:32] <dholbach> :(
[10:33] <ogra> dredg, come on, be creative ...
[10:33] <ogra> dredg, fold the room a bit and be at both places at the same time ... :)
[10:33] <dredg> ogra: i'm here on training. can't skip it
[10:33] <ogra> s/room/space
[10:33] <dredg> AND i find that mako will be in dublin this week
[10:35] <dredg> so not only can i not make ubz, the one time mako visits ireland i'm not in the damn country
[10:38] <ajmitch> morning
[10:43] <ajmitch> siretart: most of the stuff I wrote is already on tiber :)
[10:43] <siretart> hi ajmitch
[10:43] <siretart> ajmitch: did lucas already see that?
[10:44] <siretart> ajmitch: btw, I just installed the bzr package from breezy on tiber
[10:44] <ajmitch> I wrote a mail to the list
[10:44] <ajmitch> and I told him yesterday in here that I had tools
[10:45] <siretart> ajmitch: perhaps you could move them to ~ajmitch/public_html?
[10:45] <ajmitch> once I can login :)
[10:45] <ajmitch> siretart: I will
[10:45] <ajmitch> I'm resorting the branch on my local box
[10:46] <siretart> ah, I nearly thought about a problem with your revu account ;)
[10:46] <ajmitch> nope
[10:46] <ajmitch> ssh was taking
[10:46] <ajmitch> a long
[10:46] <ajmitch> long time
[10:47] <ajmitch> I promised in my email that tools would be available during UBZ :)
[10:47] <ajmitch> since I want to put up some pages on revu for things as well
[10:48] <siretart> w00t. dapper open!
[10:48] <ajmitch> yay
[10:48] <ajmitch> on katie though
[10:48] <ogra> its a first try of elmo
[10:49] <siretart> ah. okay
[10:49] <ogra> be patient ;)
[10:49] <siretart> hehe
[10:49] <ajmitch> we need to come up with a list of issues with malone for bradb
[10:49] <ajmitch> to talk to him at UBZ
[10:51] <siretart> hi sistpoty!
[10:51] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:51] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty
[10:51] <siretart> sistpoty: I just wanted to catch you by email
[10:51] <sistpoty> huhu siretart... sorry didn't make it to uni today :(
[10:51] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[10:52] <siretart> sistpoty: it wasn't that important today for you, michael did a introduction to haskel ;)
[10:52] <sistpoty> hehe :)
[10:52] <siretart> sistpoty: the optimizing stuff is next week
[10:52] <sistpoty> cool... I'll be there, promised ;)
[10:52] <siretart> sistpoty: do you have some time right now? how about a shared screen session upgrading tiber to breezy?
[10:52] <sistpoty> siretart: sure
[10:53] <sistpoty> siretart: how does a shared screen session work?
[10:53] <siretart> sistpoty: because I'm not that sure about upgrading postgres, you mentioned you did it some time ago, yes?
[10:53] <ajmitch> ogra: seen that someone created a hwdb lp product?
[10:53] <siretart> sistpoty: are you familiar with screen?
[10:53] <siretart> lets take this to query ;)
[10:54] <sistpoty> siretart: ok
[10:54] <ogra> ajmitch, nope ... but there are hwdb bugs in malone... i thought that was already there...
[10:54] <ajmitch> ogra: looks like someone registered a product in order to file a bug on it
[10:54] <ogra> meh
[10:55] <ajmitch> which means that you won't get the bug reports..
[10:55] <ajmitch> more malone confusion :)
[10:55] <ogra> meh X2
[10:55] <ajmitch> ****ing win xp
[10:57] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/products/hwdb-gui
[10:57] <ajmitch> there we go
[10:58] <Amaranth> how do you register a product?
[10:59] <thesaltydog> ogra, ??
[10:59] <ogra> thesaltydog, looks cool... but dapper isnt open yet ;)
[10:59] <thesaltydog> :-)
[10:59] <Nafallo> wow
[10:59] <ogra> nice work, really
[10:59] <ajmitch> launchpad.net, products, register a product
[10:59] <thesaltydog> is it closer to your...mood?
[11:00] <ogra> yup, a lot
[11:00] <Nafallo> almost want's to switch ;-)
[11:00] <ogra> :)
[11:00] <ajmitch> hmm?
[11:00] <thesaltydog> it will be on Debian within a week.
[11:00] <Amaranth> products doesn't exist on launchpad.net
[11:00] <thesaltydog> I am waiting for translators to update po.
[11:00] <Amaranth> firefox can't find it and neither can i
[11:00] <ajmitch> Amaranth: meh
[11:00] <ogra> ajmitch, thesaltydog sent me a screenie of the new bum version
[11:00] <ajmitch> Amaranth: https://launchpad.net/products
[11:01] <dholbach> good night guys
[11:01] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[11:01] <thesaltydog> ogra, I have stolen the "lamp bulb" from REVU...
[11:01] <dholbach> night andrew
[11:02] <ogra> heh... and they have "stolen" it elsewhere :)
[11:02] <thesaltydog> ciao daniel, goodnight
[11:02] <dholbach> bye fabio
[11:02] <sistpoty> thesaltydog: the lamp bulb should be from gnome-icons iirc
[11:03] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:03] <thesaltydog> sistpoty, ok, so it keeps in family
[11:04] <ajmitch> I'd better get things done before Ubuntu Love Day!
[11:04] <ogra> ajmitch, or even take over the world with exactly the same tools :)
[11:04] <ajmitch> so that dholbach can show off things to new MOTUs
[11:05] <dholbach>  :)
[11:05] <dholbach> no way andrew, you'll present your own tools ;)
[11:05] <ajmitch> heh
[11:05] <ajmitch> but they'll be MOTU tools
[11:05] <ajmitch> not mine ;)
[11:05] <dholbach> haha :)
[11:05] <dholbach> ok, i'm still off to bed
[11:06] <ajmitch> night :)
[11:06] <dholbach> :)
[11:07] <thesaltydog> goodnight all
[11:07] <thesaltydog> 'night ogra
[11:07] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[11:08] <dholbach> night stefan
[11:08] <ogra> night thesaltydog
[11:10] <Nafallo> anyone want to see my routing? ;-)
[11:10] <Mithrandir> you say that as if it's dirty.
[11:10] <ajmitch> hm
[11:11] <Nafallo> well, jenny painted it when I teached her about it :-)
[11:11] <ajmitch> what a shame a local hosting company says they'll only support debian at the moment on their managed servers
[11:11] <Nafallo> ask them why they don't support debian-ng? ;-)
[11:11] <ajmitch> I asked if they were to support Ubuntu, but no..
[11:11] <ogra> ajmitch, and ?
[11:12] <ogra> ajmitch, just upgrade to ubuntu then ;)
[11:14] <ajmitch> ogra: this is support for a managed server, eg security updates, etc
[11:14] <ajmitch> since I won't be working here for years, I'd like a decent server setup
[11:21] <Nafallo> http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/magicalforest.jpg
[11:21] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: ^ dirty? ;-)
[11:22] <siretart> tiber status update: upgrade to breezy ongoing
[11:22] <ajmitch> siretart: yay
[11:23] <siretart> ajmitch: we will need to reboot tiber after upgrade
[11:23] <ajmitch> fine by me
[11:23] <ajmitch> I'll just get logged out
[11:24] <keyes> hello
[11:40] <minghua> dapper is open now?
[11:40] <Nafallo> only to the DC :-)
[11:41] <ajmitch> be patient!
[11:41] <siretart> hehe
[11:41] <minghua> Nafallo: what does DC mean?
[11:41] <siretart> minghua: elmo is working on it atm
[11:42] <siretart> I expect it open in a few hours, when nothing goes wrong
[11:42] <minghua> siretart: I just saw his email to ubuntu-devel list
[11:42] <minghua> that's why I'm asking
[11:42] <minghua> I'm not impatient, just trying to confirm :-)
[11:42] <Nafallo> datacenter :-)
[11:42] <siretart> ;)
[11:43] <minghua> Nafallo: I see, thanks
[11:45] <bipolar> is anyone working on new mono packages?
[11:45] <ajmitch> yes
[11:45] <bipolar> woot
[11:46] <ajmitch> considering that the ones we have really aren't that old :P
[11:46] <ajmitch> so 'new' ones won't be much of a change
[11:46] <bipolar> hmmm....
[11:46] <bipolar> yeah. they're only one point off
[11:47] <ajmitch> we had to freeze breezy at some point :)
[11:47] <bipolar> heh
[11:47] <minghua> ajmitch: does that imply breezy universe is not frozen yet?
[11:48] <bipolar> monodevelop went up a point too. thats a bigger change I think.
[11:48] <Nafallo> no, but soon we will have dapper universe to work on :-)
[11:48] <ajmitch> minghua: no, it's quite frozen
[11:48] <ajmitch> only critical things slip into breezy-updates
[11:49] <Nafallo> breezy-updates/universe != breezy/universe ;-)
[11:49] <minghua> okay, I suppose a plan for dapper and breezy-backports is more practical
[11:49] <ogra> yup
[11:49] <minghua> I need to get SCIM packages in shape
[11:50] <ogra> but hard for mono... you have to build all packages and they must be in the right order... its quite some work
[11:50] <minghua> maybe write a IncludeInMain proposal as well
[11:50] <ajmitch> ogra: but lots of fun
[11:50] <ogra> heh
[11:50] <ajmitch> ogra: it's called throwing everything at the buildd until it's right :)
[11:50] <minghua> oh one man can dream
[11:50] <siretart> ajmitch: we want to reboot tiber now. are you still doing something there?
[11:50] <ajmitch> siretart: nope
[11:50] <ogra> mono itself is in main
[11:51] <siretart> okay, reboot in 2 minutes
[11:51] <ajmitch> and some apps will probably migrate to main for dapper
[11:51] <siretart> lets hope for the best!
[11:51] <ajmitch> ok
[11:51] <ajmitch> so elmo sent out mail saying dapper is open
[11:51] <ogra> yeah 1
[11:52] <ajmitch> I see someone replied to my email saying that I had stuff done, saying we should just start somethng new
[11:52] <ogra> *SIGH*
[11:56] <Nafallo> hehe
[11:56] <Nafallo> ajmitch: coward ;-). see it as a test for your server :-)
[11:57] <Kyral> Dapper open? The Devel list makes it sound that way
[11:58] <Nafallo> dapper-changes aswell ;-)
[11:58] <Kyral> Yah I gotta go subscribe to that list
[11:58] <Kyral> Lets ROCK AND ROLL!
[11:58] <Seveas> Kyral, or to the RSS feed ;0
[11:58] <Kyral> Hoi Seveas :P
[11:59] <Seveas> hi
[11:59] <Kyral> I already get so much mail to my box, I won't mind another couple hundred a day ;P
[11:59] <Nafallo> hehe
[11:59] <Seveas> then subscribe to ubuntu-bugs@
[11:59] <Kyral> Thats what filters are for
[12:00] <Nafallo> Seveas: how to activite the new cloak? :-)
[12:00] <Kyral> I send stuff from Kernel-Devel, Universe-Bugs, and Ubuntu-Devel to thier own folders
[12:00] <Nafallo> I send stuff from every mailing-list to it's own folder :-)
[12:00] <Seveas> Nafallo, it will be activated in a few days
[12:00] <Kyral> Yah thats what I do
[12:00] <Kyral> Its been boring without breakage
[12:00] <Kyral> Lets the games begin!
[12:00] <Nafallo> ah, that's why I can't see it :-P
[12:01] <Nafallo> thanx :-)
[12:01] <Seveas> still 31 people to ask :)
[12:01] <Kyral> ubuntu-bugs
[12:01] <Kyral> How is that different from Universe-Bugs?
[12:01] <Kyral> oh wait
[12:01] <Seveas> universe-bugs is malone, ubuntu-bugs is bugzilla...
[12:02] <Kyral> I don't really use the Bugzilla...