| ogra | we'll support it (at least for user management) in the next release | 12:04 |
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| Velmont | Hmm. I'll look at it more tomorrow. At work ;) :P Need to find a good and easy solution. | 12:04 |
| mhz | Velmont: there are some case scenarios already configured, so you endup just following instructions | 12:05 |
| sven-tek | does eubuntu have a special application for account management of classes, or a frontend for teachers to make restrictions? | 12:07 |
| ogra | not yet | 12:07 |
| ogra | its on the plan for next release ... i'll backport it if we have something usable | 12:07 |
| sven-tek | is there a project one could look at? Are there use-cases or something these tools will be based on? | 12:09 |
| mhz | sven-tek: maybe it is not exactly what you look for but did you check SchoolTool? | 12:11 |
| sven-tek | nope *google* | 12:11 |
| ogra | see TeachersPet on the wiki | 12:12 |
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| mhz | ogra: hi there. Any summary of categorized applications for education, you included on current 5.10? (besides the one on EdubuntuDesktop?) | 12:17 |
| sven-tek | cool stuff everywhere i look | 12:22 |
| mhz | :) | 12:23 |
| sven-tek | one could take edubuntu and build a medicubuntu for doctors, so they can have quiet, cheap thin clients in their rooms, ever heard of that idea? | 12:25 |
| sven-tek | they would need internet, mail and appointment management, databases for medical stuff as well | 12:26 |
| mhz | well, yes. But basically, once you know how to customize and set the LTSP environment, you could use any distro to do that. | 12:29 |
| ogra | mhz, nope, i want a separate summit for it... but sabdfl has to decide that, i'll talk to him at UBZ | 12:31 |
| mhz | ogra: LTSP does all the work load on the server side. Any way the workload can be shared between clients CPUs and the server one. I.E.: 1 server -> 30 clients. Could they all run openoffice at the same time? If so, can they distribute the load of each process or it will always be the server responsibility? | 12:33 |
| ogra | i'd love to add that for dapper by clustering, but time is very short this release, i'm not sure i can make it for this release | 12:34 |
| mhz | np, | 12:34 |
| mhz | I was just wondering if it was possible :) | 12:35 |
| mhz | ogra: I believe there's a guy already testing Edubuntu on a 'real' education center. D'u knowhis name or nick? | 12:36 |
| === mhz feels very happy with current edubuntu performance, BTW | ||
| ogra | jelkner ? | 12:36 |
| mhz | oh, yeah! | 12:36 |
| mhz | thx | 12:36 |
| sven-tek | isnt memory the bottleneck in edubuntu practise? i would think so because nearly every edu-software uses a different toolkit and programming language | 12:37 |
| mhz | sven-tek: yes, and no | 12:38 |
| mhz | yes 'cos the server is responsible | 12:38 |
| mhz | no, because it depends on how many clients are running how many apps. and how much memory they need to :) | 12:39 |
| mhz | and, personally I have only tested it with light desktops (WindowMaker and Fluxbox) | 12:40 |
| mhz | so, yes. Memory and Cpu are kind of bottlenecks | 12:40 |
| sven-tek | for instance, if everything would be build on gtk. unique. then shared libaries would work well. but if one opens a java program, a gtk-based game and browser - another pupil starts a qt based edu software - then sharing is not that effektiv (java is a killer) | 12:40 |
| ogra | yup, but you cant avoid that... | 12:42 |
| sven-tek | but i suppose the only solution is to get more ram | 12:42 |
| mhz | hehehe, indeed | 12:42 |
| ogra | clustreing is helping a little here to share uneeded ressources | 12:42 |
| mhz | however, we ahave already noticed there's a bigger bottleneck: The User | 12:42 |
| sven-tek | lol | 12:42 |
| sven-tek | layer 8 problem | 12:43 |
| mhz | yep | 12:43 |
| mhz | unfortunately... TheUser is usually TheTeacher | 12:43 |
| sven-tek | give pupils admin accounts and restrict the teacher, it will be fine | 12:44 |
| mhz | ogra: vmoral will connect now | 12:51 |
| mhz | ogra: he has some nice points for us and he's been testing edubuntu with me | 12:52 |
| mhz | ogra: he's the tech guy here in tecnocimiento | 12:53 |
| ogra | mhz, i'm about to go to bed, its 1am here .. | 12:53 |
| mhz | :( | 12:54 |
| ogra | sorry, but i really cant look out of my eyes anymore, i had a very busy day sorting the travelling and organizing stuff... i'll fly on wednesday | 12:55 |
| ajmitch_ | night ogra :) | 12:55 |
| mhz | night ogra | 12:55 |
| ogra | if i can sleep... sems i have no place to stay for the first three days. ... | 12:55 |
| ajmitch_ | ogra: what? | 12:56 |
| ajmitch_ | you're not at the hotel with the rest of the people? | 12:56 |
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| ogra | the hostel didnt confirm my booking and doko said its very full | 12:56 |
| ajmitch_ | :( | 12:59 |
| ajmitch_ | what hostel was that? same one treenaks was looking at? | 01:00 |
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| ajmitch_ | bbl, lunchtime | 01:02 |
| ajmitch_ | sleep well, ogra :) | 01:02 |
| ogra | ajmitch_, nope, the one doko arrived today at | 01:02 |
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| barber | how can I tell if my ltsp workstaton is using the X settings I have for it in my lts.conf? can I get a command prompt on the local machine? | 01:53 |
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| JaneW | morning | 09:29 |
| ajmitch_ | morning JaneW | 09:30 |
| ajmitch_ | how are you? | 09:30 |
| JaneW | hi ajmitch_ | 09:33 |
| JaneW | sick as a dog actually :( | 09:33 |
| JaneW | not managing to get anything done :/ | 09:34 |
| ajmitch_ | oh dear :( | 09:34 |
| ajmitch_ | I hope you recover before UBZ | 09:34 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i'm not even sick and i'm having trouble concentrating on work as well | 09:34 |
| === ajmitch_ only has about a day & a half left of work before he goes | ||
| JaneW | highvoltage: I thought I just had a post release cold, but it just gets worse and worse | 09:35 |
| JaneW | I have the worst cold/cough ever | 09:35 |
| JaneW | I am waiting for a lung to come out ;) | 09:35 |
| JaneW | EEEUW | 09:35 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: take it easy | 09:35 |
| JaneW | I can't imagine how awful it must be to be sick if you are a smoker, this is bad enough! | 09:36 |
| highvoltage | get lots of fresh air, drink lots of water, eat. | 09:36 |
| ajmitch_ | JaneW: and get some rest! | 09:36 |
| ajmitch_ | UBZ will be hard enough | 09:36 |
| highvoltage | people tend to lie in bed when they're sick, it's the worse thing you can do. you end up lying in a pool of germs. | 09:36 |
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| jjtechno | Ok so what is the smallest gui I can install on a work station. I have an old x86 machine in my kindergardten class that has 4gig total space. | 09:40 |
| jjtechno | It must be very early there. I will try again later. | 09:41 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: but it's all you FEEL like doing... | 09:46 |
| ajmitch_ | I wonder if claire will allow me to extend my hotel booking | 09:52 |
| JaneW | ajmitch_: probably... how long | 09:56 |
| ajmitch_ | until the 10th | 09:56 |
| JaneW | ajmitch_: you may have to cover the extension yourself though... | 09:56 |
| ajmitch_ | I'm already covering it all myself.. | 09:56 |
| JaneW | ajmitch_: but they get cheaper rates etc | 09:56 |
| ajmitch_ | since they didn't want to sponsor me :) | 09:56 |
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| ajmitch_ | morning \sh | 09:56 |
| JaneW | ajmitch_: then it shouldn't be a problem at all | 09:56 |
| JaneW | ajmitch_: :( | 09:56 |
| JaneW | ajmitch_: I know the reigns wereza_en/index.jsp pulled in for this one... | 09:57 |
| JaneW | huh? | 09:57 |
| ajmitch_ | hmm | 09:57 |
| ajmitch_ | curious | 09:57 |
| JaneW | ajmitch_: I know the reigns were pulled in for this one... | 09:57 |
| ajmitch_ | I know | 09:57 |
| \sh | hey ajmitch_ | 09:57 |
| ajmitch_ | there were people more deserving than I that didn't get sponsored | 09:57 |
| \sh | good morning JaneW | 09:57 |
| crimsun | I didn't even notice the za_en/index.jsp until second reading | 09:57 |
| JaneW | ajmitch_: nod | 09:57 |
| JaneW | about deserving ppl not getting sponsored | 09:57 |
| JaneW | not about you NOT being deserving ;) | 09:58 |
| ajmitch_ | and some like \sh who certainly deserved it, and did :) | 09:58 |
| ajmitch_ | hehe | 09:58 |
| JaneW | hi \sh | 09:58 |
| === ajmitch_ needed a holiday anyway :) | ||
| \sh | ajmitch_: gnarf | 09:58 |
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| ajmitch_ | \sh: how are you? | 09:59 |
| \sh | ajmitch_: i'm fine..and preparing some things for the channel line up change todays/tomorrows night and tomorrow morning | 10:00 |
| ajmitch_ | aha :) | 10:02 |
| ajmitch_ | preparing for your big talk on love day? | 10:02 |
| \sh | big talk on love day? | 10:02 |
| ajmitch_ | yeah | 10:02 |
| === \sh didn't see himself on the love day schedule...somethings changed? | ||
| ajmitch_ | the MOTU workshop | 10:03 |
| ajmitch_ | yep | 10:03 |
| \sh | I think I'm il | 10:03 |
| \sh | l | 10:03 |
| ajmitch_ | haha | 10:03 |
| ajmitch_ | can't get out of it now | 10:03 |
| ajmitch_ | \sh: we can't leave ogra & dholbach to do all the workshop | 10:03 |
| \sh | hehe...we will help them | 10:03 |
| ajmitch_ | with 3 hours to fill in, we'll be helping them | 10:04 |
| \sh | BTW is dapper open? | 10:04 |
| ajmitch_ | yes | 10:04 |
| ajmitch_ | open & being flooded | 10:04 |
| \sh | argl | 10:04 |
| ajmitch_ | autosyncs are running | 10:04 |
| ajmitch_ | and other uploads are running hot | 10:04 |
| ajmitch_ | daniels with the current record of > 100 uploads | 10:04 |
| \sh | I just realised that my inbox JUST EXPLODED | 10:04 |
| ajmitch_ | hehe | 10:05 |
| ajmitch_ | you're not subscribed to the auto changes list are you? | 10:05 |
| ajmitch_ | so lots of new toys that edubuntu can use... | 10:05 |
| ajmitch_ | I see seb has uploaded sabayon | 10:05 |
| \sh | ajmitch_: dapper-changes? | 10:06 |
| ajmitch_ | yeah | 10:06 |
| ajmitch_ | ah good | 10:06 |
| ajmitch_ | new libselinux for me to play with | 10:06 |
| \sh | automatically subscribed :) | 10:06 |
| ajmitch_ | \sh: ubuntu-changes-auto as well | 10:06 |
| \sh | i have to adjust my sieve | 10:06 |
| ajmitch_ | for all the debian imports | 10:06 |
| \sh | ah | 10:07 |
| \sh | no | 10:07 |
| \sh | well | 10:07 |
| ajmitch_ | only about 1000 of those so far ;) | 10:07 |
| \sh | ajmitch_: subscription via mailman_ | 10:08 |
| \sh | ? | 10:08 |
| ajmitch_ | yeah | 10:08 |
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| highvoltage | jjtechno: xfce4 is very nice, icewm is also small, if you have very little ram, you might want to try fluxbox | 10:09 |
| \sh | morning highvoltage :) | 10:10 |
| jjtechno | Thanks I will give fluxbox a try | 10:20 |
| ogra | moin | 10:47 |
| \sh | moins ogra | 10:56 |
| \sh | JaneW: should we file all UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs/* stuff to LP? | 10:56 |
| JaneW | \sh: yes | 10:58 |
| JaneW | all edubuntu stuff must go under distro/ubuntu , so just preface topic with Edubuntu so we can identify them easily please | 10:58 |
| \sh | JaneW: k | 10:59 |
| ogra | to late | 11:00 |
| highvoltage | so, anyone figure out what "infinite justice" means on an ubuntu server setup? | 11:00 |
| ogra | most of the edubuntu bofs were added by mdz without prefix already... | 11:00 |
| ogra | there is only edubuntu user management afaik | 11:00 |
| JaneW | ogra: ack... | 11:08 |
| JaneW | ogra: so how are we meant to differentiate them? | 11:08 |
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| ogra | we cant... but for the thin client stuff thats ok | 11:09 |
| ogra | since it applies to the whole distro | 11:09 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok goo | 11:10 |
| JaneW | d | 11:10 |
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| ogra | but indeed its hard to proof that we did work specifically on edubuntu :) | 11:11 |
| jeffubuntu | Hi, all | 11:12 |
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| jeffubuntu | someone know the best method to forbiden screensaver on client ? | 11:14 |
| ogra | jeffubuntu, they shouldnt show up at all, else its a bug | 11:17 |
| jeffubuntu | ok, fine it's because actually i use some fat client with a small debian on it | 11:20 |
| jeffubuntu | with X -query | 11:20 |
| ogra | you can set mode to "blank" in /etc/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver if it occurs that the LTSP_CLIENT environment var doesnt work as expected ... | 11:21 |
| ogra | as a workaround | 11:21 |
| ogra | will work for all users that didnt play with their settings already | 11:22 |
| jeffubuntu | i think the better thing to me, it's to install an etherboot on the hd off my client | 11:23 |
| jeffubuntu | because they don't want an floppy | 11:23 |
| ogra | should be possible with the rom-o-matic images ... | 11:26 |
| highvoltage | "X -query"- doesn't that use xdmcp? | 11:28 |
| jeffubuntu | yes with Xdmcp | 11:28 |
| jeffubuntu | i put an respawn on the client | 11:29 |
| jeffubuntu | if someone kill the xserver, it restart | 11:29 |
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| ogra | jeffubuntu, then you dont use edubuntu i assume | 11:31 |
| ogra | so the LTSP_CLIENT variable wont be set at all | 11:32 |
| jeffubuntu | i just migrate of ubuntu to edubuntu yesterday | 11:32 |
| jeffubuntu | and i use debian on client, because in the past i try ltsp | 11:32 |
| ogra | but not with the edubuntu/ubuntu brezy ltsp | 11:32 |
| ogra | it doesnt support xdmcp or other unsafe transports at all | 11:33 |
| ogra | all X transport is ss tunneled in breezy... | 11:33 |
| jeffubuntu | but i'had some problem with my video i840 | 11:33 |
| ogra | *ssh | 11:33 |
| ogra | and all x setup works automatically... | 11:34 |
| ogra | especially helpful for things like i810 | 11:34 |
| ogra | *i8X0 | 11:34 |
| jeffubuntu | but yesterday i try one pc with a floppy and edubuntu, it's work great ;) | 11:34 |
| ogra | cool | 11:34 |
| jeffubuntu | this is why now i must install the etherboot on the hd | 11:35 |
| ogra | wait until Yagisan comes around, he's the absolute etherboot specialist around here :) | 11:36 |
| jeffubuntu | this thread can interest some teacher who must (!) preserve an windows on the client | 11:39 |
| jeffubuntu | with an dual boot : etherboot or windows | 11:40 |
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| ogra | jeffubuntu, if you got it running, feel free to make a wikipage about it so we can poin others with the same prob there ;) | 11:41 |
| ogra | *point | 11:42 |
| jeffubuntu | ok i try, this is my "mission" and i accept ;) | 11:43 |
| ogra | cool, you rock :) | 11:43 |
| jeffubuntu | c you | 11:45 |
| ogra | bye :) | 11:45 |
| highvoltage | jeffubuntu: rom-o-matic can also create lilo boot images for you | 11:45 |
| highvoltage | bah! | 11:45 |
| JaneW | ogra: if you look on distrowatch - 'last month', edubuntu has climbed to possition 48 from 72 :) | 11:52 |
| ogra | WOW | 11:52 |
| ogra | <- impressed | 11:53 |
| highvoltage | wow. that's cause for more cake! | 11:56 |
| === \sh wants cake too.... | ||
| highvoltage | that means... | 11:58 |
| highvoltage | that edubuntu has already passed the distrowatch rankings of K12ltsp :) | 11:58 |
| highvoltage | <g> | 11:58 |
| === ogra just wants a room for his first three days in montreal... the hotel didnt confirm :( | ||
| ogra | *hostel | 11:59 |
| === ajmitch_ will bring a tent | ||
| === ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | NEXT MEETING: Nov 16 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | Edubuntu 5.10 is out, grab it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Installation help http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | edubuntu on position 48 in last months distrowatch stats | ||
| ogra | ajmitch_, "below zero" !! | 12:02 |
| ajmitch_ | ogra: bring a warm sleeping bag :) | 12:02 |
| ogra | heh | 12:03 |
| ajmitch_ | ogra: I'm surprised that you can't get into the holiday inn | 12:03 |
| ajmitch_ | you've told claire about this? | 12:03 |
| ogra | i'll try, but i ddnt ask | 12:03 |
| === ajmitch_ suggests you do :) | ||
| ogra | i wanted to stay separate for some days | 12:03 |
| ajmitch_ | ok | 12:03 |
| JaneW | ogra: what is it with you and flights and hotel bookings? ;) | 12:04 |
| ogra | to see some of the city and i like hostels... | 12:04 |
| ajmitch_ | you don't like the rest of us? ;) | 12:04 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: no cake baking will be happening today I am afraid | 12:04 |
| ogra | JaneW, my flight is fine... its just that the hostel didnt onfirm anything and doko who already stays in the same hostel told me they are full seemingly | 12:04 |
| ajmitch_ | perhaps another hostel will have space | 12:05 |
| ogra | so i'll have to try to find something spontaneous... | 12:05 |
| \sh | ogra: bridge? ,-) | 12:05 |
| === ajmitch_ was more worried about his passport than where to stay | ||
| JaneW | ogra: there's always jbailey... | 12:05 |
| \sh | ogra: sleeping bag | 12:05 |
| ogra | ajmitch_, i guess so... but this one had guaranteed free wireless | 12:05 |
| ajmitch_ | JaneW: true, but him & angie in their apartment already? :) | 12:05 |
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| ajmitch_ | I guess jeff might have room on the floor :) | 12:06 |
| jsgotangco | hey all | 12:06 |
| ogra | worst i'll pay for three nights in the holiday inn myself ... i dont really cae, its only three nights | 12:06 |
| ajmitch_ | hey jerome | 12:06 |
| ogra | but it breaks my concept :) | 12:07 |
| \sh | ogra: that means >=150 times 3 | 12:07 |
| jsgotangco | halo halo | 12:07 |
| ogra | \sh, so ? | 12:07 |
| ajmitch_ | \sh: it's not quite that expensive | 12:07 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh trip planning...yum | 12:07 |
| \sh | -ETOOMUCH | 12:07 |
| ogra | bah... come on.. | 12:07 |
| ajmitch_ | CA $135/night | 12:08 |
| ajmitch_ | was what claire told me, if you're not sharing a room | 12:08 |
| ogra | if i have holidays i stay at home... so its ok to spend some money for that | 12:08 |
| ajmitch_ | ogra: yep, this is my holiday ;) | 12:08 |
| ogra | thats not even 100 | 12:08 |
| ogra | a fine price ... | 12:08 |
| \sh | ajmitch_: well...if my ex hadn't be fired from holiday inn, she could help to get a room for 25 in the same hotel..employee rate | 12:08 |
| ajmitch_ | \sh: eek | 12:09 |
| ajmitch_ | ogra: I thought so, and I'm sharing a room, so 1/2 that rate | 12:09 |
| \sh | ajmitch_: we did that in dubai to stay at holiday inn ressorts | 12:09 |
| ajmitch_ | although I just asked for an extension in my booking | 12:09 |
| \sh | ajmitch_: normally 300 per night | 12:09 |
| ajmitch_ | ouch | 12:09 |
| \sh | ajmitch_: employee rate 25 per night ,-) | 12:09 |
| ogra | in europe you even pay ~75 for the cheapest etap/ibis hotel where you sleep in a room thats rather a plastic box | 12:09 |
| === ajmitch_ doesn't have 300 a night to spend :) | ||
| \sh | ogra: check for best western in montreal | 12:10 |
| ogra | i'll do... | 12:10 |
| \sh | ajmitch_: me neither | 12:10 |
| jsgotangco | 300 euros? jeeezz | 12:10 |
| ogra | whatever has space for me is fine | 12:10 |
| ajmitch_ | jsgotangco: come on, you've got the key on your laptop ;) | 12:11 |
| \sh | jsgotangco: first I wanted to have a suite in this 7 star class dubai most famous hotel..where a breakfast egg costs 50 US $ | 12:11 |
| ajmitch_ | argh | 12:11 |
| ajmitch_ | $50?! | 12:11 |
| ajmitch_ | that's insane | 12:11 |
| jsgotangco | ajmitch_, hahaha im in a friend's cafe using a live cd | 12:11 |
| === jsgotangco left his laptop at home | ||
| ogra | ajmitch_, nope, thats golden :p | 12:11 |
| jsgotangco | its a nightmare here | 12:11 |
| jsgotangco | EVERY SINGLE MACHINE HAS LINSPIRE | 12:11 |
| \sh | ajmitch_: well...the suite (smallest I think is 75 squaremetres) cost 1500 US $ per night or so | 12:11 |
| ajmitch_ | better than win XP | 12:12 |
| jsgotangco | ajmitch_, I SEE BLUE | 12:12 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 12:12 |
| jsgotangco | good thing i have i gave him a cd pair | 12:12 |
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| JaneW | we need to get more ppl to review edubuntu | 12:49 |
| JaneW | no one has submited feedback to our feedback page yet... | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | i can review but..it'll be biased.... | 12:49 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: that's fine | 12:50 |
| JaneW | just be honest | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 12:50 |
| JaneW | hello btw | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | preparing for the trip? | 12:50 |
| JaneW | maybe we can ask ogra to review :) | 12:50 |
| ogra | lol | 12:50 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: yes | 12:50 |
| ogra | beware, it wont be a good review i know the bugs and drawbacks :) | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | oh btw | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | i have an acid test tommorow | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | 44 clients 1 server | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | at the college of saint benilde | 12:51 |
| JaneW | hey we have a really advanced user: "I have installed Edubuntu 6.10 on a test desk top which I will be using as a test server. " | 12:51 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: good luck! | 12:52 |
| ogra | cool | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | well wish me luck will be out the whole day | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:52 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, how do you manage to get the 10GB of extra MEM in for 44 clients ? | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | oh i didn't...the lab did | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | its a school anyways | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | they said it was an ltsp server before | 12:53 |
| ogra | oh, so the server actually has enough mem ? | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | on the morning we will try to set it up | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | if it fails we remove clients | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | because in the afternoon we expect 20 people to do hands on | 12:53 |
| ogra | note that you need around 100 (rather a bit more) ram for each client you attach | 12:54 |
| ogra | *MB | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | that's no problem | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | they are PCs not really thin clients | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | they wanted to do a proof of concept for the officers | 12:54 |
| ogra | but edubuntu doesnt use the local ressources yet | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | its a new lab | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | i still haven't seen it | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | they have 2 servers avaialable | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | both are smp | 12:55 |
| ogra | i mean you wont gain anything with real PCs as clinets | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | its a pretty rich school anyways | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | its their lab not mine :) | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | i told them about it | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | since everyting runs with their gigabit network | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | im not so much a network person but i saw their diagram its pretty solid | 12:56 |
| Velmont | Wohoo! :D LTSP is up and running! How cool :] Now I just want to connect many computers to the server, to see how much it can handle. Too bad there is so little space here. | 01:20 |
| ogra | stack them ;) | 01:20 |
| Velmont | ogra: hehe. Ill try... ;) Just have to get them up-and-running. Some of the IBM PL300's doesnt come with network-boot-option! Although most of them do. Strange problem. | 01:21 |
| Velmont | Have to make a boot cd I guess. | 01:22 |
| Velmont | But, what is the best way to make users for LTSP? I mean, I don't really want everybody being able to log onto the server etc. Right now I just made a normal account using the GUI-user administration program. | 01:35 |
| ogra | thats the way to do... | 01:36 |
| ogra | the session runs on the server, so you need a user on the server to log in... | 01:36 |
| Velmont | Ok. So they can log onto the server itself as well? I can't restrict them from doing that? Kinda like "only allow login via ssh"? | 01:39 |
| ogra | nope... | 01:39 |
| ogra | probably something to evalate for dapper+1 ... | 01:40 |
| Velmont | Well, ok :) Isn't a real problem now anyway. Just wanted to do The Correct Thing(tm). | 01:40 |
| ogra | but not even legacy ltsp can do that | 01:41 |
| Velmont | Anyway, the implementation is way cool, kudos! ;D | 01:41 |
| ogra | only half of it can go to me ... the design is made by mdz :) | 01:42 |
| ogra | the cool thing is, that you could make a server from every machine rinnung ssh in your network ... | 01:43 |
| ogra | i'm thinking about to make up a gui for the login manager to set up sessions this way... somehow like xdmcp... but you dont need X installed on the server | 01:44 |
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| Velmont | ogra: Hmm... I've installed normal Edubuntu on the server, should I maybe not start X, to make more resources avaiable to the clients? | 01:51 |
| ogra | if you need more mem, that would be a easy step, yes ... | 01:51 |
| Velmont | 250MB ram on the server :P It's actually using swap right now, 4MB mem free. 157MB swap used. | 01:55 |
| ogra | 250B is quite low :) | 01:57 |
| Velmont | Yes, I know :p But it was for testing, not serious :) Hm. How can I find CPU-speed? | 01:59 |
| ogra | top | 01:59 |
| Velmont | Another thing, the ntpdate is kinda bothering when you don't have internet. It stops at that place for a long time. | 01:59 |
| Velmont | ogra: It doesn't give you that info? Only % being used. | 02:00 |
| ogra | remove it from /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d | 02:00 |
| Velmont | Of course :p - I keep forgetting it's a own installation in there. Well, I'll go ghost some win98 machines. | 02:02 |
| Velmont | Thanks :) | 02:02 |
| ogra | :) | 02:04 |
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| mhz | hi there | 03:43 |
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| mhz | ogra: ping | 03:44 |
| mhz | yesterday, vmoral and I disussed about the pros and cons of edubuntu for Chilean schools env. | 03:45 |
| mhz | ogra: He mentioned something I consider very imprtant: AFAIK, if LTSP works via SSH, then X is sending packages all the time. And if so, then the real bottleneck is the network load/capacity. | 03:51 |
| mhz | if 10 clients are executing parallel sessions of OOO, then the network will collapse. | 03:51 |
| mhz | mainly because X sends packages at once (per request) | 03:52 |
| mhz | ogra: is that so? | 03:52 |
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| enyc | ogra: btw, on installed edubuntu, the problem with tuxpaint-sound didnt appear to happen [!] | 04:34 |
| ogra | enyc, cool | 04:34 |
| ogra | gah, i missed mhz | 04:34 |
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| enyc | ogra: BUT the tuxpaint link was copied to desktop... | 04:45 |
| ogra | huh ? | 04:45 |
| enyc | ogra: Im not sure if it failed when ran from the menu-item | 04:45 |
| enyc | ogra: and the machines not here now ;p its off in tha land of kiddies <g> | 04:46 |
| ogra | hmm, it should be identical with a copied one on the desktop | 04:46 |
| ogra | heh | 04:46 |
| enyc | remember... when in wasnt working... running 'tuxpaint' from cmd-line worked... | 04:47 |
| enyc | anyway ... brb..... | 04:47 |
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| enyc | bark | 05:29 |
| enyc | back even ;p | 05:30 |
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| invasifspecies | hello edubuntu | 05:32 |
| invasifspecies | anyone here? | 05:33 |
| pirast | just write your question :-) | 05:33 |
| invasifspecies | I'm a science ed graduate student in Columbus Ohio, I just installed edubuntu and I'm impressed. I plan to try it out in some local schools.... | 05:35 |
| ogra | cool :) | 05:35 |
| invasifspecies | does anyone know if a ppc version is likely any time soon? | 05:35 |
| ogra | the ppc ltsp package had a heavy bug, we couldnt release it ... | 05:36 |
| ogra | if you only want to use a workstation install, use the last edubuntu daily from cdimage.ubuntu.com, its 100% identical with the release | 05:37 |
| invasifspecies | That's useful info. I may try the workstation. Also, where can I learn about supported ppc machines for ubuntu and kubuntu? I have one of the pre USB G3 laptops. I think it is the last of the old world roms and it wont boot from ubuntu CD. Will it work if I try some other boot engine? | 05:38 |
| ogra | another way to use it on ppc is to install ubuntu and post install just install edubuntu-desktop, that also brings you a workstation install | 05:38 |
| invasifspecies | I can wait for a ppc version but it will be extremely useful to know that one will be available eventually...... | 05:39 |
| ogra | i only know that we officially onyl support new world, but there were some related threads on ubuntu-users and i think there is also info in the ubuntu wiki | 05:39 |
| invasifspecies | or will you just skip ppc and instead aim for edubuntu for the new intel macs? | 05:39 |
| ogra | i didnt plan to have non this release ;) the ltsp bug showed up while testing the release isos only.. | 05:40 |
| ogra | we had not enough ppc testers during development that would have discovered it | 05:40 |
| invasifspecies | too bad | 05:40 |
| invasifspecies | maybe I can find some for you. | 05:40 |
| ogra | there are lots of ibm blade servers serving thin clinets out there... as long as i have something to say in the distro we wont drop ppc ;) | 05:41 |
| invasifspecies | cool | 05:41 |
| invasifspecies | because many schools are full of old macs | 05:41 |
| ogra | yup... | 05:41 |
| ogra | not in europe though... but io heard about US being a big field for them at schools | 05:42 |
| invasifspecies | actually old world mac edubuntu would probably cause me to do a dance of joy since there are thousands of them in schools here and OS 9 is really obsolete now. | 05:43 |
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| ogra | look on the wiki... there is info about old world macs somewhere | 05:43 |
| invasifspecies | Anyway, let me take this opportunity to thank the team for your work... I absolutely love what I see so far and I think it has great potential for underfunded schools in the US | 05:44 |
| invasifspecies | How is the foundation funded? | 05:44 |
| invasifspecies | and have you considered doing the rounds of some of the major educational conferences to tell teachers about the advantages of edubuntu? | 05:45 |
| ogra | currently only by marks donation ... i'm not really sure how its supposed to fund itself in the fututre.. | 05:45 |
| invasifspecies | Do you have a grant writer? | 05:45 |
| invasifspecies | I bet NSF would be interested | 05:46 |
| ogra | yes, but thats a matter of payment... we'll have our conference in montreal next week and i think we'll discuss such things there | 05:46 |
| invasifspecies | I can think of a bunch of places where you could apply for grants. tech in education is highly fundable. | 05:47 |
| ogra | yup | 05:47 |
| ogra | we'll certainly do ... | 05:48 |
| ogra | currently money is not our major prob ... first we need a community and more developers edubuntu breezy was a one man show... development wise .. | 05:49 |
| invasifspecies | I'm thinking of doing some published research on using edubuntu in schools. I wonder if there might be any opportunity for some kind of formal collaboration. Do you have some kind of research group or any academic partnerships at this time? | 05:49 |
| invasifspecies | would you like to? | 05:49 |
| ogra | yes, absolutely... | 05:50 |
| ogra | we have a community feedback page on the wiki | 05:51 |
| invasifspecies | ok I'll check it out. | 05:51 |
| invasifspecies | so... to be clear... you say that hopefully.. there will eventually be a mac version of edubuntu? | 05:52 |
| invasifspecies | and is there anything I can do to help make that happen? | 05:52 |
| ogra | with the next release, yes | 05:52 |
| invasifspecies | in all honesty, I think I could drum up a couple of ppc testers with linux experience... what other qualifications would they need? | 05:53 |
| ogra | motivation would be enough... for technical questios we got the channle here and the edubuntu-devel mailing list ;) | 05:54 |
| invasifspecies | ok | 05:54 |
| ogra | ok, i'll be afk for some time now, have to prepare my travel to montreal tomorrow | 05:55 |
| invasifspecies | well thanks for your time... is there an email address for a formal communication regarding some kind of academic collaboration? | 05:55 |
| ogra | edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com ... | 05:56 |
| invasifspecies | cheers. | 05:56 |
| ogra | ciao :) | 05:56 |
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| lidveig | anybody there? | 09:21 |
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| invasifspecies | stupid dell I/O error. edubuntu cant make the partitions it needs. bah. | 09:56 |
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| brankinhu | alguem aqui fala portugues?? | 10:12 |
| KurtKraut | Does anyone know a program (free software , of course) that works with spacial geometry ? | 10:13 |
| KurtKraut | For maths classess | 10:13 |
| invasifspecies | Alas I don' know Portuguese, but I did once go on holiday in Madeira if that helps. | 10:14 |
| brankinhu | KurtKraut, valeu cara! | 10:14 |
| brankinhu | hehehehe | 10:14 |
| KurtKraut | invasifspecies, I've already translated, with my poor english, what brankinhu asked ;D | 10:15 |
| ogra | KurtKraut, you need real GIS software ? | 10:19 |
| ogra | or just geometric stuff | 10:19 |
| KurtKraut | ogra, just geometric stuff | 10:20 |
| KurtKraut | The enough for high school | 10:21 |
| ogra | have you already looked at drgeo and kig ? | 10:21 |
| ogra | (kig is includedin edubuntu= | 10:21 |
| ogra | ) | 10:21 |
| KurtKraut | no, I've seen nothing until know | 10:21 |
| KurtKraut | Do you know the official website of these softwares ? | 10:21 |
| KurtKraut | I need to check thru screenshots if they do wht I need. | 10:21 |
| ogra | kig is in the kdeedu suite, drgeo will be on sourceforge.net somewhere... | 10:23 |
| KurtKraut | ogra, thanks a lot ;D | 10:25 |
| ogra | i would suggest kig btw ... | 10:25 |
| KurtKraut | Does Edubuntu comes with any software related to biology ? | 10:28 |
| ogra | chemistry ... but what would be software for biology ? | 10:44 |
| invasifspecies | something for biometrics.... | 10:45 |
| invasifspecies | translating dna into protein sequences | 10:45 |
| ogra | hmm, i dont even know about such a software for linux... | 10:45 |
| invasifspecies | I could find it | 10:46 |
| invasifspecies | http://bioinformatics.org/software/index.php3 | 10:47 |
| invasifspecies | loads of packages there. | 10:48 |
| invasifspecies | DNA processing, tree construction... its all there. | 10:48 |
| invasifspecies | what are you looking for specifically KurtKraut ? | 10:49 |
| KurtKraut | invasifspecies, biology software focusing high school | 10:50 |
| ogra | wow, lots of stuff there.... i guess some apps should get packaged for next release | 10:51 |
| invasifspecies | a couple of bio packages here: | 10:54 |
| invasifspecies | http://richtech.ca/cgi-bin/seul/seulvw.pl?category=Science | 10:54 |
| KurtKraut | thanks ;D | 10:54 |
| invasifspecies | The dictionary here might be useful: | 10:55 |
| invasifspecies | http://richtech.ca/cgi-bin/seul/seulview.pl?recnum=143 | 10:55 |
| invasifspecies | As a college biology instructor i can tell you that if the freshman arrived with nothing else but a good grasp of scientific vocabulary i would happily do the rest. | 10:56 |
| KurtKraut | invasifspecies, where do you teach ? (country) | 10:57 |
| invasifspecies | USA | 10:57 |
| invasifspecies | but I am from England | 10:57 |
| KurtKraut | invasifspecies, I teach in Brazil. Here biology is heavier for kids at school than US | 10:58 |
| invasifspecies | I know | 10:58 |
| KurtKraut | invasifspecies, I think here we have to teach more than we should. | 10:58 |
| invasifspecies | but you pay a price in terms of exposure to other subjects. | 10:58 |
| KurtKraut | Everything is biochemically justified, exemplified | 10:58 |
| invasifspecies | since i have been in the US I have actually learned to have some respect for their system. | 10:58 |
| KurtKraut | But concerning our biodiversity, it is important to have a intensive teaching in biology | 10:58 |
| invasifspecies | it takes longer... but they get there in the end (ie, in graduate school). | 10:59 |
| invasifspecies | my site... please excuse broken links and advertisements... I am behind with site maintenance. http://www.angelfire.com/ri/skibizniz/index.html | 11:00 |
| KurtKraut | I will check it out ;D | 11:00 |
| invasifspecies | environmental and conservation biology are really my specialty... especially integrating video, and computer graphic technology with visual cognition issues during the teaching of field and laboratory biology. | 11:03 |
| invasifspecies | I also build artificial ecosystems. | 11:03 |
| KurtKraut | artificial ecossystems... sounds interesting | 11:04 |
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