[12:04] <ogra> we'll support it (at least for user management) in the next release
[12:04] <Velmont> Hmm. I'll look at it more tomorrow. At work ;) :P Need to find a good and easy solution.
[12:05] <mhz> Velmont: there are some case scenarios already configured, so you endup just following instructions
[12:07] <sven-tek> does eubuntu have a special application for account management of classes, or a frontend for teachers to make restrictions?
[12:07] <ogra> not yet
[12:07] <ogra> its on the plan for next release ... i'll backport it if we have something usable
[12:09] <sven-tek> is there a project one could look at? Are there use-cases or something these tools will be based on?
[12:11] <mhz> sven-tek: maybe it is not exactly what you look for but did you check SchoolTool?
[12:11] <sven-tek> nope *google*
[12:12] <ogra> see TeachersPet on the wiki
[12:17] <mhz> ogra: hi there. Any summary of categorized applications for education, you included on current 5.10? (besides the one on EdubuntuDesktop?)
[12:22] <sven-tek> cool stuff everywhere i look
[12:23] <mhz> :)
[12:25] <sven-tek> one could take edubuntu and build a medicubuntu for doctors, so they can have quiet, cheap thin clients in their rooms, ever heard of that idea?
[12:26] <sven-tek> they would need internet, mail and appointment management, databases for medical stuff as well
[12:29] <mhz> well, yes. But basically, once you know how to customize and set the LTSP environment, you could use any distro to do that.
[12:31] <ogra> mhz, nope, i want a separate summit for it... but sabdfl has to decide that, i'll talk to him at UBZ
[12:33] <mhz> ogra: LTSP does all the work load on the server side. Any way the workload can be shared between clients CPUs and the server one. I.E.: 1 server -> 30 clients. Could they all run openoffice at the same time? If so, can they distribute the load of each process or it will always be the server responsibility?
[12:34] <ogra> i'd love to add that for dapper by clustering, but time is very short this release, i'm not sure i can make it for this release
[12:34] <mhz> np,
[12:35] <mhz> I was just wondering if it was possible :)
[12:36] <mhz> ogra: I believe there's a guy already testing Edubuntu on a 'real' education center. D'u knowhis name or nick?
[12:36] <ogra> jelkner ? 
[12:36] <mhz> oh, yeah!
[12:36] <mhz> thx
[12:37] <sven-tek> isnt memory the bottleneck in edubuntu practise? i would think so because nearly every edu-software uses a different toolkit and programming language
[12:38] <mhz> sven-tek: yes, and no
[12:38] <mhz> yes 'cos the server is responsible
[12:39] <mhz> no, because it depends on how many clients are running how many apps. and how much memory they need to :)
[12:40] <mhz> and, personally I have only tested it with light desktops (WindowMaker and Fluxbox)
[12:40] <mhz> so, yes. Memory and Cpu are kind of bottlenecks
[12:40] <sven-tek> for instance, if everything would be build on gtk. unique. then shared libaries would work well. but if one opens a java program, a gtk-based game and browser - another pupil starts a qt based edu software - then sharing is not that effektiv (java is a killer)
[12:42] <ogra> yup, but you cant avoid that...
[12:42] <sven-tek> but i suppose the only solution is to get more ram
[12:42] <mhz> hehehe, indeed
[12:42] <ogra> clustreing is helping a little here to share uneeded ressources
[12:42] <mhz> however, we ahave already noticed there's a bigger bottleneck: The User
[12:42] <sven-tek> lol
[12:43] <sven-tek> layer 8 problem
[12:43] <mhz> yep
[12:43] <mhz> unfortunately... TheUser is usually TheTeacher
[12:44] <sven-tek> give pupils admin accounts and restrict the teacher, it will be fine
[12:51] <mhz> ogra: vmoral will connect now
[12:52] <mhz> ogra: he has some nice points for us and he's been testing edubuntu with me
[12:53] <mhz> ogra: he's the tech guy here in tecnocimiento
[12:53] <ogra> mhz, i'm about to go to bed, its 1am here ..
[12:54] <mhz> :(
[12:55] <ogra> sorry, but i really cant look out of my eyes anymore, i had a very busy day sorting the travelling and organizing stuff... i'll fly on wednesday
[12:55] <ajmitch_> night ogra :)
[12:55] <mhz> night ogra 
[12:55] <ogra> if i can sleep... sems i have no place to stay for the first three days. ...
[12:56] <ajmitch_> ogra: what?
[12:56] <ajmitch_> you're not at the hotel with the rest of the people?
[12:56] <ogra> the hostel didnt confirm my booking and doko said its very full
[12:59] <ajmitch_> :(
[01:00] <ajmitch_> what hostel was that? same one treenaks was looking at?
[01:02] <ajmitch_> bbl, lunchtime
[01:02] <ajmitch_> sleep well, ogra :)
[01:02] <ogra> ajmitch_, nope, the one doko arrived today at
[01:53] <barber> how can I tell if my ltsp workstaton is using the X settings I have for it in my lts.conf? can I get a command prompt on the local machine?
[02:34] <SG1> hello
[09:29] <JaneW> morning
[09:30] <ajmitch_> morning JaneW 
[09:30] <ajmitch_> how are you?
[09:33] <JaneW> hi ajmitch_ 
[09:33] <JaneW> sick as a dog actually :(
[09:34] <JaneW> not managing to get anything done :/
[09:34] <ajmitch_> oh dear :(
[09:34] <ajmitch_> I hope you recover before UBZ
[09:34] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'm not even sick and i'm having trouble concentrating on work as well
[09:35] <JaneW> highvoltage: I thought I just had a post release cold, but it just gets worse and worse
[09:35] <JaneW> I have the worst cold/cough ever
[09:35] <JaneW> I am waiting for a lung to come out ;)
[09:35] <JaneW> EEEUW
[09:35] <highvoltage> JaneW: take it easy
[09:36] <JaneW> I can't imagine how awful it must be to be sick if you are a smoker, this is bad enough!
[09:36] <highvoltage> get lots of fresh air, drink lots of water, eat.
[09:36] <ajmitch_> JaneW: and get some rest!
[09:36] <ajmitch_> UBZ will be hard enough
[09:36] <highvoltage> people tend to lie in bed when they're sick, it's the worse thing you can do. you end up lying in a pool of germs.
[09:40] <jjtechno> Ok so what is the smallest gui I can install on a work station. I have an old x86 machine in my kindergardten class that has 4gig total space.
[09:41] <jjtechno> It must be very early there. I will try again later.
[09:46] <JaneW> highvoltage: but it's all you FEEL like doing...
[09:52] <ajmitch_> I wonder if claire will allow me to extend my hotel booking
[09:56] <JaneW> ajmitch_: probably... how long
[09:56] <ajmitch_> until the 10th
[09:56] <JaneW> ajmitch_: you may have to cover the extension yourself though...
[09:56] <ajmitch_> I'm already covering it all myself..
[09:56] <JaneW> ajmitch_: but they get cheaper rates etc
[09:56] <ajmitch_> since they didn't want to sponsor me :)
[09:56] <ajmitch_> morning \sh 
[09:56] <JaneW> ajmitch_: then it shouldn't be a problem at all
[09:56] <JaneW> ajmitch_: :(
[09:57] <JaneW> ajmitch_: I know the reigns wereza_en/index.jsp pulled in for this one...
[09:57] <JaneW> huh?
[09:57] <ajmitch_> hmm
[09:57] <ajmitch_> curious
[09:57] <JaneW> ajmitch_: I know the reigns were pulled in for this one...
[09:57] <ajmitch_> I know
[09:57] <\sh> hey ajmitch_ 
[09:57] <ajmitch_> there were people more deserving than I that didn't get sponsored
[09:57] <\sh> good morning JaneW 
[09:57] <crimsun> I didn't even notice the za_en/index.jsp until second reading
[09:57] <JaneW> ajmitch_: nod
[09:57] <JaneW> about deserving ppl not getting sponsored
[09:58] <JaneW> not about you NOT being deserving ;)
[09:58] <ajmitch_> and some like \sh who certainly deserved it, and did :)
[09:58] <ajmitch_> hehe
[09:58] <JaneW> hi \sh
[09:58] <\sh> ajmitch_: gnarf
[09:59] <ajmitch_> \sh: how are you?
[10:00] <\sh> ajmitch_: i'm fine..and preparing some things for the channel line up change todays/tomorrows night and tomorrow morning
[10:02] <ajmitch_> aha :)
[10:02] <ajmitch_> preparing for your big talk on love day?
[10:02] <\sh> big talk on love day?
[10:02] <ajmitch_> yeah
[10:03] <ajmitch_> the MOTU workshop
[10:03] <ajmitch_> yep
[10:03] <\sh> I think I'm il
[10:03] <\sh> l
[10:03] <ajmitch_> haha
[10:03] <ajmitch_> can't get out of it now
[10:03] <ajmitch_> \sh: we can't leave ogra & dholbach to do all the workshop
[10:03] <\sh> hehe...we will help them
[10:04] <ajmitch_> with 3 hours to fill in, we'll be helping them
[10:04] <\sh> BTW is dapper open?
[10:04] <ajmitch_> yes
[10:04] <ajmitch_> open & being flooded
[10:04] <\sh> argl
[10:04] <ajmitch_> autosyncs are running
[10:04] <ajmitch_> and other uploads are running hot
[10:04] <ajmitch_> daniels with the current record of > 100 uploads
[10:04] <\sh> I just realised that  my inbox JUST EXPLODED
[10:05] <ajmitch_> hehe
[10:05] <ajmitch_> you're not subscribed to the auto changes list are you?
[10:05] <ajmitch_> so lots of new toys that edubuntu can use...
[10:05] <ajmitch_> I see seb has uploaded sabayon
[10:06] <\sh> ajmitch_: dapper-changes?
[10:06] <ajmitch_> yeah
[10:06] <ajmitch_> ah good
[10:06] <ajmitch_> new libselinux for me to play with
[10:06] <\sh> automatically subscribed :)
[10:06] <ajmitch_> \sh: ubuntu-changes-auto as well
[10:06] <\sh> i have to adjust my sieve
[10:06] <ajmitch_> for all the debian imports
[10:07] <\sh> ah
[10:07] <\sh> no
[10:07] <\sh> well
[10:07] <ajmitch_> only about 1000 of those so far ;)
[10:08] <\sh> ajmitch_: subscription via mailman_
[10:08] <\sh> ?
[10:08] <ajmitch_> yeah
[10:09] <highvoltage> jjtechno: xfce4 is very nice, icewm is also small, if you have very little ram, you might want to try fluxbox
[10:10] <\sh> morning highvoltage :)
[10:20] <jjtechno> Thanks I will give fluxbox a try
[10:47] <ogra> moin
[10:56] <\sh> moins ogra
[10:56] <\sh> JaneW: should we file all UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs/* stuff to LP?
[10:58] <JaneW> \sh: yes
[10:58] <JaneW> all edubuntu stuff must go under distro/ubuntu , so just preface topic with Edubuntu so we can identify them easily please
[10:59] <\sh> JaneW: k
[11:00] <ogra> to late
[11:00] <highvoltage> so, anyone figure out what "infinite justice" means on an ubuntu server setup?
[11:00] <ogra> most of the edubuntu bofs were added by mdz without prefix already...
[11:00] <ogra> there is only edubuntu user management afaik
[11:08] <JaneW> ogra: ack...
[11:08] <JaneW> ogra: so how are we meant to differentiate them?
[11:09] <ogra> we cant... but for the thin client stuff thats ok
[11:09] <ogra> since it applies to the whole distro
[11:10] <JaneW> ogra: ok goo
[11:10] <JaneW> d
[11:11] <ogra> but indeed its hard to proof that we did work specifically on edubuntu :)
[11:12] <jeffubuntu> Hi, all
[11:14] <jeffubuntu> someone know the best method to forbiden screensaver on client ?
[11:17] <ogra> jeffubuntu, they shouldnt show up at all, else its a bug
[11:20] <jeffubuntu> ok, fine it's because actually i use some fat client with a small debian on it
[11:20] <jeffubuntu> with X -query
[11:21] <ogra> you can set mode to "blank" in /etc/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver if it occurs that the LTSP_CLIENT environment var doesnt work as expected ...
[11:21] <ogra> as a workaround
[11:22] <ogra> will work for all users that didnt play with their settings already
[11:23] <jeffubuntu> i think the better thing to me, it's to install an etherboot on the hd off my client
[11:23] <jeffubuntu> because they don't want an floppy
[11:26] <ogra> should be possible with the rom-o-matic images ...
[11:28] <highvoltage> "X -query"- doesn't that use xdmcp?
[11:28] <jeffubuntu> yes with Xdmcp
[11:29] <jeffubuntu> i put an respawn on the client
[11:29] <jeffubuntu> if someone kill the xserver, it restart
[11:31] <ogra> jeffubuntu, then you dont use edubuntu i assume
[11:32] <ogra> so the LTSP_CLIENT variable wont be set at all
[11:32] <jeffubuntu> i just migrate of ubuntu to edubuntu yesterday
[11:32] <jeffubuntu> and i use debian on client, because in the past i try ltsp
[11:32] <ogra> but not with the edubuntu/ubuntu brezy ltsp
[11:33] <ogra> it doesnt support xdmcp or other unsafe transports at all
[11:33] <ogra> all X transport is ss tunneled in breezy...
[11:33] <jeffubuntu> but i'had some problem with my video i840
[11:33] <ogra> *ssh
[11:34] <ogra> and all x setup works automatically...
[11:34] <ogra> especially helpful for things like i810
[11:34] <ogra> *i8X0
[11:34] <jeffubuntu> but yesterday i try one pc with a floppy and edubuntu, it's work great ;)
[11:34] <ogra> cool
[11:35] <jeffubuntu> this is why now i must install the etherboot on the hd
[11:36] <ogra> wait until Yagisan comes around, he's the absolute etherboot specialist around here :)
[11:39] <jeffubuntu> this thread can interest some teacher who must (!) preserve an windows on the client
[11:40] <jeffubuntu> with an dual boot : etherboot or windows
[11:41] <ogra> jeffubuntu, if you got it running, feel free to make a wikipage about it so we can poin others with the same prob there ;)
[11:42] <ogra> *point
[11:43] <jeffubuntu> ok i try, this is my "mission" and i accept ;)
[11:43] <ogra> cool, you rock :)
[11:45] <jeffubuntu> c you
[11:45] <ogra> bye :)
[11:45] <highvoltage> jeffubuntu: rom-o-matic can also create lilo boot images for you
[11:45] <highvoltage> bah!
[11:52] <JaneW> ogra: if you look on distrowatch - 'last month', edubuntu has climbed to possition 48  from 72 :)
[11:52] <ogra> WOW
[11:53] <ogra> <- impressed
[11:56] <highvoltage> wow. that's cause for more cake!
[11:58] <highvoltage> that means...
[11:58] <highvoltage> that edubuntu has already passed the distrowatch rankings of K12ltsp :)
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[11:59] <ogra> *hostel
[12:02] <ogra> ajmitch_, "below zero" !!
[12:02] <ajmitch_> ogra: bring a warm sleeping bag :)
[12:03] <ogra> heh
[12:03] <ajmitch_> ogra: I'm surprised that you can't get into the holiday inn
[12:03] <ajmitch_> you've told claire about this?
[12:03] <ogra> i'll try, but i ddnt ask 
[12:03] <ogra> i wanted to stay separate for some days
[12:03] <ajmitch_> ok
[12:04] <JaneW> ogra: what is it with you and flights and hotel bookings? ;)
[12:04] <ogra> to see some of the city and i like hostels...
[12:04] <ajmitch_> you don't like the rest of us? ;)
[12:04] <JaneW> highvoltage: no cake baking will be happening today I am afraid
[12:04] <ogra> JaneW, my flight is fine... its just that the hostel didnt onfirm anything and doko who already stays in the same hostel told me they are full seemingly
[12:05] <ajmitch_> perhaps another hostel will have space
[12:05] <ogra> so i'll have to try to find something spontaneous...
[12:05] <\sh> ogra: bridge? ,-)
[12:05] <JaneW> ogra: there's always jbailey...
[12:05] <\sh> ogra: sleeping bag 
[12:05] <ogra> ajmitch_, i guess so... but this one had guaranteed free wireless
[12:05] <ajmitch_> JaneW: true, but him & angie in their apartment already? :)
[12:06] <ajmitch_> I guess jeff might have room on the floor :)
[12:06] <jsgotangco> hey all
[12:06] <ogra> worst i'll pay for three nights in the holiday inn myself ... i dont really cae, its only three nights
[12:06] <ajmitch_> hey jerome
[12:07] <ogra> but it breaks my concept :)
[12:07] <\sh> ogra: that means >=150  times 3
[12:07] <jsgotangco> halo halo
[12:07] <ogra> \sh, so ? 
[12:07] <ajmitch_> \sh: it's not quite that expensive
[12:07] <jsgotangco> ahhh trip planning...yum
[12:07] <\sh> -ETOOMUCH
[12:07] <ogra> bah... come on..
[12:08] <ajmitch_> CA $135/night
[12:08] <ajmitch_> was what claire told me, if you're not sharing a room
[12:08] <ogra> if i have holidays i stay at home... so its ok to spend some money for that
[12:08] <ajmitch_> ogra: yep, this is my holiday ;)
[12:08] <ogra> thats not even 100
[12:08] <ogra> a fine price ...
[12:08] <\sh> ajmitch_: well...if my ex hadn't be fired from holiday inn, she could help to get a room for 25 in the same hotel..employee rate
[12:09] <ajmitch_> \sh: eek
[12:09] <ajmitch_> ogra: I thought so, and I'm sharing a room, so 1/2 that rate
[12:09] <\sh> ajmitch_: we did that in dubai to stay at holiday inn ressorts
[12:09] <ajmitch_> although I just asked for an extension in my booking
[12:09] <\sh> ajmitch_: normally 300  per night
[12:09] <ajmitch_> ouch
[12:09] <\sh> ajmitch_: employee rate 25  per night ,-) 
[12:09] <ogra> in europe you even pay ~75 for the cheapest etap/ibis hotel where you sleep in a room thats rather a plastic box
[12:10] <\sh> ogra: check for best western in montreal
[12:10] <ogra> i'll do... 
[12:10] <\sh> ajmitch_: me neither 
[12:10] <jsgotangco> 300 euros? jeeezz
[12:10] <ogra> whatever has space for me is fine
[12:11] <ajmitch_> jsgotangco: come on, you've got the  key on your laptop ;)
[12:11] <\sh> jsgotangco: first I wanted to have a suite in this 7 star class dubai most famous hotel..where a breakfast egg costs 50 US $
[12:11] <ajmitch_> argh
[12:11] <ajmitch_> $50?!
[12:11] <ajmitch_> that's insane
[12:11] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_, hahaha im in a friend's cafe using a live cd
[12:11] <ogra> ajmitch_, nope, thats golden :p
[12:11] <jsgotangco> its a nightmare here
[12:11] <jsgotangco> EVERY SINGLE MACHINE HAS LINSPIRE
[12:11] <\sh> ajmitch_: well...the suite (smallest I think is 75 squaremetres) cost 1500 US $ per night or so
[12:12] <ajmitch_> better than win XP
[12:12] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_, I SEE BLUE
[12:12] <jsgotangco> hehe
[12:12] <jsgotangco> good thing i have i gave him a cd pair
[12:49] <JaneW> we need to get more ppl to review edubuntu
[12:49] <JaneW> no one has submited feedback to our feedback page yet...
[12:49] <jsgotangco> i can review but..it'll be biased....
[12:50] <JaneW> jsgotangco: that's fine
[12:50] <JaneW> just be honest
[12:50] <jsgotangco> sure
[12:50] <JaneW> hello btw
[12:50] <jsgotangco> hi
[12:50] <jsgotangco> preparing for the trip?
[12:50] <JaneW> maybe we can ask ogra to review :)
[12:50] <ogra> lol
[12:50] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes
[12:50] <ogra> beware, it wont be a good review i know the bugs and drawbacks :)
[12:51] <jsgotangco> oh btw
[12:51] <jsgotangco> i have an acid test tommorow
[12:51] <jsgotangco> 44 clients 1 server
[12:51] <jsgotangco> at the college of saint benilde
[12:51] <JaneW> hey we have a really advanced user: "I have installed Edubuntu 6.10 on a test desk top which I will be using as a test server. "
[12:52] <JaneW> jsgotangco: good luck!
[12:52] <ogra> cool
[12:52] <jsgotangco> well wish me luck will be out the whole day
[12:52] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:52] <ogra> jsgotangco, how do you manage to get the 10GB of extra MEM in for 44 clients ?
[12:53] <jsgotangco> oh i didn't...the lab did
[12:53] <jsgotangco> its a school anyways
[12:53] <jsgotangco> they said it was an ltsp server before
[12:53] <ogra> oh, so the server actually has enough mem ? 
[12:53] <jsgotangco> on the morning we will try to set it up
[12:53] <jsgotangco> if it fails we remove clients
[12:53] <jsgotangco> because in the afternoon we expect 20 people to do hands on
[12:54] <ogra> note that you need around 100 (rather a bit more) ram for each client you attach
[12:54] <ogra> *MB
[12:54] <jsgotangco> that's no problem
[12:54] <jsgotangco> they are PCs not really thin clients
[12:54] <jsgotangco> they wanted to do a proof of concept for the officers
[12:54] <ogra> but edubuntu doesnt use the local ressources yet
[12:54] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:54] <jsgotangco> its a new lab
[12:55] <jsgotangco> i still haven't seen it
[12:55] <jsgotangco> they have 2 servers avaialable
[12:55] <jsgotangco> both are smp
[12:55] <ogra> i mean you wont gain anything with real PCs as clinets
[12:55] <jsgotangco> its a pretty rich school anyways
[12:55] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:55] <jsgotangco> its their lab not mine :)
[12:55] <jsgotangco> i told them about it
[12:55] <jsgotangco> since everyting runs with their gigabit network
[12:56] <jsgotangco> im not so much a network person but i saw their diagram its pretty solid
[01:20] <Velmont> Wohoo! :D LTSP is up and running! How cool :]  Now I just want to connect many computers to the server, to see how much it can handle. Too bad there is so little space here.
[01:20] <ogra> stack them ;)
[01:21] <Velmont> ogra: hehe. Ill try... ;) Just have to get them up-and-running. Some of the IBM PL300's doesnt come with network-boot-option! Although most of them do. Strange problem.
[01:22] <Velmont> Have to make a boot cd I guess.
[01:35] <Velmont> But, what is the best way to make users for LTSP? I mean, I don't really want everybody being able to log onto the server etc. Right now I just made a normal account using the GUI-user administration program.
[01:36] <ogra> thats the way to do...
[01:36] <ogra> the session runs on the server, so you need a user on the server to log in...
[01:39] <Velmont> Ok. So they can log onto the server itself as well? I can't restrict them from doing that? Kinda like "only allow login via ssh"?
[01:39] <ogra> nope...
[01:40] <ogra> probably something to evalate for dapper+1 ... 
[01:40] <Velmont> Well, ok :) Isn't a real problem now anyway. Just wanted to do The Correct Thing(tm).
[01:41] <ogra> but not even legacy ltsp can do that
[01:41] <Velmont> Anyway, the implementation is way cool, kudos! ;D
[01:42] <ogra> only half of it can go to me ... the design is made by mdz :)
[01:43] <ogra> the cool thing is, that you could make a server from every machine rinnung ssh in your network ... 
[01:44] <ogra> i'm thinking about to make up a gui for the login manager to set up sessions this way... somehow like xdmcp... but you dont need X installed on the server
[01:51] <Velmont> ogra: Hmm... I've installed normal Edubuntu on the server, should I maybe not start X, to make more resources avaiable to the clients?
[01:51] <ogra> if you need more mem, that would be a easy step, yes ...
[01:55] <Velmont> 250MB ram on the server :P It's actually using swap right now, 4MB mem free. 157MB swap used.
[01:57] <ogra> 250B is quite low :)
[01:59] <Velmont> Yes, I know :p But it was for testing, not serious :) Hm. How can I find CPU-speed?
[01:59] <ogra> top
[01:59] <Velmont> Another thing, the ntpdate is kinda bothering when you don't have internet. It stops at that place for a long time.
[02:00] <Velmont> ogra: It doesn't give you that info? Only % being used.
[02:00] <ogra> remove it from /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d
[02:02] <Velmont> Of course :p - I keep forgetting it's a own installation in there. Well, I'll go ghost some win98 machines.
[02:02] <Velmont> Thanks :)
[02:04] <ogra> :)
[03:43] <mhz> hi there
[03:44] <mhz> ogra: ping
[03:45] <mhz> yesterday, vmoral and I disussed about the pros and cons of edubuntu for Chilean schools env.
[03:51] <mhz> ogra: He mentioned something I consider very imprtant: AFAIK, if LTSP works via SSH, then X is sending packages all the time. And if so, then the real bottleneck is the network load/capacity.
[03:51] <mhz> if 10 clients are executing parallel sessions of OOO, then the network will collapse.
[03:52] <mhz> mainly because X sends packages at once (per request)
[03:52] <mhz> ogra: is that so?
[04:34] <enyc> ogra: btw, on installed edubuntu, the problem with tuxpaint-sound didnt appear to happen [!] 
[04:34] <ogra> enyc, cool
[04:34] <ogra> gah, i missed mhz
[04:45] <enyc> ogra: BUT the tuxpaint link was copied to desktop...
[04:45] <ogra> huh ? 
[04:45] <enyc> ogra: Im not sure if it failed when ran from the menu-item
[04:46] <enyc> ogra: and the machines not here now ;p  its off in tha land of kiddies <g>
[04:46] <ogra> hmm, it should be identical with a copied one on the desktop
[04:46] <ogra> heh
[04:47] <enyc> remember... when in wasnt working... running 'tuxpaint' from cmd-line worked...
[04:47] <enyc> anyway ... brb.....
[05:29] <enyc> bark
[05:30] <enyc> back even ;p
[05:32] <invasifspecies> hello edubuntu
[05:33] <invasifspecies> anyone here?
[05:33] <pirast> just write your question :-)
[05:35] <invasifspecies> I'm a science ed graduate student in Columbus Ohio, I just installed edubuntu and I'm impressed. I plan to try it out in some local schools....
[05:35] <ogra> cool :)
[05:35] <invasifspecies> does anyone know if a ppc version is likely any time soon?
[05:36] <ogra> the ppc ltsp package had a heavy bug, we couldnt release it ...
[05:37] <ogra> if you only want to use a workstation install, use the last edubuntu daily from cdimage.ubuntu.com, its 100% identical with the release
[05:38] <invasifspecies> That's useful info. I may try the workstation. Also, where can I learn about supported ppc machines for ubuntu and kubuntu? I have one of the pre USB G3 laptops. I think it is the last of the old world roms and it wont boot from ubuntu CD. Will it work if I try some other boot engine?
[05:38] <ogra> another way to use it on ppc is to install ubuntu and post install just install edubuntu-desktop, that also brings you a workstation install
[05:39] <invasifspecies> I can wait for a ppc version but it will be extremely useful to know that one will be available eventually......
[05:39] <ogra> i only know that we officially onyl support new world, but there were some related threads on ubuntu-users and i think there is also info in the ubuntu wiki
[05:39] <invasifspecies> or will you just skip ppc and instead aim for edubuntu for the new intel macs?
[05:40] <ogra> i didnt plan to have non this release ;) the ltsp bug showed up while testing the release isos only..
[05:40] <ogra> we had not enough ppc testers during development that would have discovered it
[05:40] <invasifspecies> too bad
[05:40] <invasifspecies> maybe I can find some for you.
[05:41] <ogra> there are lots of ibm blade servers serving thin clinets out there... as long as i have something to say in the distro we wont drop ppc ;)
[05:41] <invasifspecies> cool
[05:41] <invasifspecies> because many schools are full of old macs
[05:41] <ogra> yup...
[05:42] <ogra> not in europe though... but io heard about US being a big field for them at schools
[05:43] <invasifspecies> actually old world mac edubuntu would probably cause me to do a dance of joy since there are thousands of them in schools here and OS 9 is really obsolete now.
[05:43] <ogra> look on the wiki... there is info about old world macs somewhere
[05:44] <invasifspecies> Anyway, let me take this opportunity to thank the team for your work... I absolutely love what I see so far and I think it has great potential for underfunded schools in the US
[05:44] <invasifspecies> How is the foundation funded?
[05:45] <invasifspecies> and have you considered doing the rounds of some of the major educational conferences to tell teachers about the advantages of edubuntu?
[05:45] <ogra> currently only by marks donation ... i'm not really sure how its supposed to fund itself in the fututre..
[05:45] <invasifspecies> Do you have a grant writer?
[05:46] <invasifspecies> I bet NSF would be interested
[05:46] <ogra> yes, but thats a matter of payment... we'll have our conference in montreal next week and i think we'll discuss such things there
[05:47] <invasifspecies> I can think of a bunch of places where you could apply for grants. tech in education is highly fundable.
[05:47] <ogra> yup
[05:48] <ogra> we'll certainly do ...
[05:49] <ogra> currently money is not our major prob ... first we need a community and more developers edubuntu breezy was a one man show... development wise ..
[05:49] <invasifspecies> I'm thinking of doing some published research on using edubuntu in schools. I wonder if there might be any opportunity for some kind of formal collaboration. Do you have some kind of research group or any academic partnerships at this time?
[05:49] <invasifspecies> would you like to?
[05:50] <ogra> yes, absolutely...
[05:51] <ogra> we have a community feedback page on the wiki
[05:51] <invasifspecies> ok  I'll check it out.
[05:52] <invasifspecies> so... to be clear... you say that hopefully.. there will eventually be a mac version of edubuntu?
[05:52] <invasifspecies> and is there anything I can do to help make that happen?
[05:52] <ogra> with the next release, yes
[05:53] <invasifspecies> in all honesty, I think I could drum up a couple of ppc testers with linux experience... what other qualifications would they need?
[05:54] <ogra> motivation would be enough... for technical questios we got the channle here and the edubuntu-devel mailing list ;)
[05:54] <invasifspecies> ok
[05:55] <ogra> ok, i'll be afk for some time now, have to prepare my travel to montreal tomorrow
[05:55] <invasifspecies> well thanks for your time... is there an email address for a formal communication regarding some kind of academic collaboration?
[05:56] <ogra> edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com ...
[05:56] <invasifspecies> cheers.
[05:56] <ogra> ciao :)
[09:21] <lidveig> anybody there?
[09:56] <invasifspecies> stupid dell I/O error. edubuntu cant make the partitions it needs. bah.
[10:12] <brankinhu> alguem aqui fala portugues??
[10:13] <KurtKraut> Does anyone know a program (free software , of course) that works with spacial geometry ?
[10:13] <KurtKraut> For maths classess
[10:14] <invasifspecies> Alas I don' know Portuguese, but I did once go on holiday in Madeira if that helps.
[10:14] <brankinhu> KurtKraut, valeu cara!
[10:14] <brankinhu> hehehehe
[10:15] <KurtKraut> invasifspecies, I've already translated, with my poor english, what brankinhu  asked ;D
[10:19] <ogra> KurtKraut, you need real GIS software ? 
[10:19] <ogra> or just geometric stuff
[10:20] <KurtKraut> ogra, just geometric stuff
[10:21] <KurtKraut> The enough for high school
[10:21] <ogra> have you already looked at drgeo and kig ? 
[10:21] <ogra> (kig is includedin edubuntu= 
[10:21] <ogra> )
[10:21] <KurtKraut> no, I've seen nothing until know
[10:21] <KurtKraut> Do you know the official website of these softwares ?
[10:21] <KurtKraut> I need to check thru screenshots if they do wht I need.
[10:23] <ogra> kig is in the kdeedu suite, drgeo will be on sourceforge.net somewhere... 
[10:25] <KurtKraut> ogra, thanks a lot ;D
[10:25] <ogra> i would suggest kig btw ...
[10:28] <KurtKraut> Does Edubuntu comes with any software related to biology ?
[10:44] <ogra> chemistry ... but what would be software for biology ? 
[10:45] <invasifspecies> something for biometrics....
[10:45] <invasifspecies> translating dna into protein sequences
[10:45] <ogra> hmm, i dont even know about such a software for linux...
[10:46] <invasifspecies> I could find it
[10:47] <invasifspecies> http://bioinformatics.org/software/index.php3
[10:48] <invasifspecies> loads of packages there.
[10:48] <invasifspecies> DNA processing, tree construction... its all there.
[10:49] <invasifspecies> what are you looking for specifically KurtKraut ?
[10:50] <KurtKraut> invasifspecies, biology software focusing high school
[10:51] <ogra> wow, lots of stuff there.... i guess some apps should get packaged for next release
[10:54] <invasifspecies> a couple of bio packages here:
[10:54] <invasifspecies> http://richtech.ca/cgi-bin/seul/seulvw.pl?category=Science
[10:54] <KurtKraut> thanks ;D
[10:55] <invasifspecies> The dictionary here might be useful:
[10:55] <invasifspecies> http://richtech.ca/cgi-bin/seul/seulview.pl?recnum=143
[10:56] <invasifspecies> As a college biology instructor i can tell you that if the freshman arrived with nothing else but a good grasp of scientific vocabulary i would happily do the rest.
[10:57] <KurtKraut> invasifspecies, where do you teach ? (country)
[10:57] <invasifspecies> USA
[10:57] <invasifspecies> but I am from England
[10:58] <KurtKraut> invasifspecies, I teach in Brazil. Here biology is heavier for kids at school than US
[10:58] <invasifspecies> I know
[10:58] <KurtKraut> invasifspecies, I think here we have to teach more than we should.
[10:58] <invasifspecies> but you pay a price in terms of exposure to other subjects.
[10:58] <KurtKraut> Everything is biochemically justified, exemplified
[10:58] <invasifspecies> since i have been in the US I have actually learned to have some respect for their system.
[10:58] <KurtKraut> But concerning our biodiversity, it is important to have a intensive teaching in biology
[10:59] <invasifspecies> it takes longer... but they get there in the end (ie, in graduate school).
[11:00] <invasifspecies> my site... please excuse broken links and advertisements... I am behind with site maintenance. http://www.angelfire.com/ri/skibizniz/index.html
[11:00] <KurtKraut> I will check it out ;D
[11:03] <invasifspecies> environmental and conservation biology are really my specialty... especially integrating video, and computer graphic technology with visual cognition issues during the teaching of field and laboratory biology.
[11:03] <invasifspecies> I also build artificial ecosystems.
[11:04] <KurtKraut> artificial ecossystems... sounds interesting