[12:04] we'll support it (at least for user management) in the next release [12:04] Hmm. I'll look at it more tomorrow. At work ;) :P Need to find a good and easy solution. [12:05] Velmont: there are some case scenarios already configured, so you endup just following instructions [12:07] does eubuntu have a special application for account management of classes, or a frontend for teachers to make restrictions? [12:07] not yet [12:07] its on the plan for next release ... i'll backport it if we have something usable [12:09] is there a project one could look at? Are there use-cases or something these tools will be based on? [12:11] sven-tek: maybe it is not exactly what you look for but did you check SchoolTool? [12:11] nope *google* [12:12] see TeachersPet on the wiki === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-83-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:17] ogra: hi there. Any summary of categorized applications for education, you included on current 5.10? (besides the one on EdubuntuDesktop?) [12:22] cool stuff everywhere i look [12:23] :) [12:25] one could take edubuntu and build a medicubuntu for doctors, so they can have quiet, cheap thin clients in their rooms, ever heard of that idea? [12:26] they would need internet, mail and appointment management, databases for medical stuff as well [12:29] well, yes. But basically, once you know how to customize and set the LTSP environment, you could use any distro to do that. [12:31] mhz, nope, i want a separate summit for it... but sabdfl has to decide that, i'll talk to him at UBZ [12:33] ogra: LTSP does all the work load on the server side. Any way the workload can be shared between clients CPUs and the server one. I.E.: 1 server -> 30 clients. Could they all run openoffice at the same time? If so, can they distribute the load of each process or it will always be the server responsibility? [12:34] i'd love to add that for dapper by clustering, but time is very short this release, i'm not sure i can make it for this release [12:34] np, [12:35] I was just wondering if it was possible :) [12:36] ogra: I believe there's a guy already testing Edubuntu on a 'real' education center. D'u knowhis name or nick? === mhz feels very happy with current edubuntu performance, BTW [12:36] jelkner ? [12:36] oh, yeah! [12:36] thx [12:37] isnt memory the bottleneck in edubuntu practise? i would think so because nearly every edu-software uses a different toolkit and programming language [12:38] sven-tek: yes, and no [12:38] yes 'cos the server is responsible [12:39] no, because it depends on how many clients are running how many apps. and how much memory they need to :) [12:40] and, personally I have only tested it with light desktops (WindowMaker and Fluxbox) [12:40] so, yes. Memory and Cpu are kind of bottlenecks [12:40] for instance, if everything would be build on gtk. unique. then shared libaries would work well. but if one opens a java program, a gtk-based game and browser - another pupil starts a qt based edu software - then sharing is not that effektiv (java is a killer) [12:42] yup, but you cant avoid that... [12:42] but i suppose the only solution is to get more ram [12:42] hehehe, indeed [12:42] clustreing is helping a little here to share uneeded ressources [12:42] however, we ahave already noticed there's a bigger bottleneck: The User [12:42] lol [12:43] layer 8 problem [12:43] yep [12:43] unfortunately... TheUser is usually TheTeacher [12:44] give pupils admin accounts and restrict the teacher, it will be fine [12:51] ogra: vmoral will connect now [12:52] ogra: he has some nice points for us and he's been testing edubuntu with me [12:53] ogra: he's the tech guy here in tecnocimiento [12:53] mhz, i'm about to go to bed, its 1am here .. [12:54] :( [12:55] sorry, but i really cant look out of my eyes anymore, i had a very busy day sorting the travelling and organizing stuff... i'll fly on wednesday [12:55] night ogra :) [12:55] night ogra [12:55] if i can sleep... sems i have no place to stay for the first three days. ... [12:56] ogra: what? [12:56] you're not at the hotel with the rest of the people? === vmoral [n=vmoral@200.91.7.5] has joined #edubuntu [12:56] the hostel didnt confirm my booking and doko said its very full [12:59] :( [01:00] what hostel was that? same one treenaks was looking at? === ajmitch_ spots an ogra upload [01:02] bbl, lunchtime [01:02] sleep well, ogra :) [01:02] ajmitch_, nope, the one doko arrived today at === bimberi [n=bimberi@DC-245-97.bpb.bigpond.com] has joined #edubuntu === Nancy_ [n=nancy@ppp-69-223-90-101.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #edubuntu === barber [n=barber@uwc228.utahwisp.com] has joined #edubuntu [01:53] how can I tell if my ltsp workstaton is using the X settings I have for it in my lts.conf? can I get a command prompt on the local machine? === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #edubuntu === SG1 [n=sg1@ip68-100-51-4.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:34] hello === SG1 [n=sg1@ip68-100-51-4.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === deang [n=dean@rapids-arc1-214.tznet.com] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-16-175-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.95.49] has joined #edubuntu === deang [n=dean@rapids-arc1-214.tznet.com] has left #edubuntu [] === deang [n=dean@rapids-arc1-214.tznet.com] has joined #edubuntu === deang [n=dean@rapids-arc1-214.tznet.com] has left #edubuntu [] === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-137-155.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === SG1 [n=sg1@ip68-100-51-4.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:29] morning [09:30] morning JaneW [09:30] how are you? [09:33] hi ajmitch_ [09:33] sick as a dog actually :( [09:34] not managing to get anything done :/ [09:34] oh dear :( [09:34] I hope you recover before UBZ [09:34] JaneW: i'm not even sick and i'm having trouble concentrating on work as well === ajmitch_ only has about a day & a half left of work before he goes [09:35] highvoltage: I thought I just had a post release cold, but it just gets worse and worse [09:35] I have the worst cold/cough ever [09:35] I am waiting for a lung to come out ;) [09:35] EEEUW [09:35] JaneW: take it easy [09:36] I can't imagine how awful it must be to be sick if you are a smoker, this is bad enough! [09:36] get lots of fresh air, drink lots of water, eat. [09:36] JaneW: and get some rest! [09:36] UBZ will be hard enough [09:36] people tend to lie in bed when they're sick, it's the worse thing you can do. you end up lying in a pool of germs. === jjtechno [n=Miranda@pcp04301392pcs.andrsn01.tn.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:40] Ok so what is the smallest gui I can install on a work station. I have an old x86 machine in my kindergardten class that has 4gig total space. [09:41] It must be very early there. I will try again later. [09:46] highvoltage: but it's all you FEEL like doing... [09:52] I wonder if claire will allow me to extend my hotel booking [09:56] ajmitch_: probably... how long [09:56] until the 10th [09:56] ajmitch_: you may have to cover the extension yourself though... [09:56] I'm already covering it all myself.. [09:56] ajmitch_: but they get cheaper rates etc [09:56] since they didn't want to sponsor me :) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:56] morning \sh [09:56] ajmitch_: then it shouldn't be a problem at all [09:56] ajmitch_: :( [09:57] ajmitch_: I know the reigns wereza_en/index.jsp pulled in for this one... [09:57] huh? [09:57] hmm [09:57] curious [09:57] ajmitch_: I know the reigns were pulled in for this one... [09:57] I know [09:57] <\sh> hey ajmitch_ [09:57] there were people more deserving than I that didn't get sponsored [09:57] <\sh> good morning JaneW [09:57] I didn't even notice the za_en/index.jsp until second reading [09:57] ajmitch_: nod [09:57] about deserving ppl not getting sponsored [09:58] not about you NOT being deserving ;) [09:58] and some like \sh who certainly deserved it, and did :) [09:58] hehe [09:58] hi \sh === ajmitch_ needed a holiday anyway :) [09:58] <\sh> ajmitch_: gnarf === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.60.217.243] has joined #edubuntu [09:59] \sh: how are you? [10:00] <\sh> ajmitch_: i'm fine..and preparing some things for the channel line up change todays/tomorrows night and tomorrow morning [10:02] aha :) [10:02] preparing for your big talk on love day? [10:02] <\sh> big talk on love day? [10:02] yeah === \sh didn't see himself on the love day schedule...somethings changed? [10:03] the MOTU workshop [10:03] yep [10:03] <\sh> I think I'm il [10:03] <\sh> l [10:03] haha [10:03] can't get out of it now [10:03] \sh: we can't leave ogra & dholbach to do all the workshop [10:03] <\sh> hehe...we will help them [10:04] with 3 hours to fill in, we'll be helping them [10:04] <\sh> BTW is dapper open? [10:04] yes [10:04] open & being flooded [10:04] <\sh> argl [10:04] autosyncs are running [10:04] and other uploads are running hot [10:04] daniels with the current record of > 100 uploads [10:04] <\sh> I just realised that my inbox JUST EXPLODED [10:05] hehe [10:05] you're not subscribed to the auto changes list are you? [10:05] so lots of new toys that edubuntu can use... [10:05] I see seb has uploaded sabayon [10:06] <\sh> ajmitch_: dapper-changes? [10:06] yeah [10:06] ah good [10:06] new libselinux for me to play with [10:06] <\sh> automatically subscribed :) [10:06] \sh: ubuntu-changes-auto as well [10:06] <\sh> i have to adjust my sieve [10:06] for all the debian imports [10:07] <\sh> ah [10:07] <\sh> no [10:07] <\sh> well [10:07] only about 1000 of those so far ;) [10:08] <\sh> ajmitch_: subscription via mailman_ [10:08] <\sh> ? [10:08] yeah === ogra [n=ogra@p5089CCAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:09] jjtechno: xfce4 is very nice, icewm is also small, if you have very little ram, you might want to try fluxbox [10:10] <\sh> morning highvoltage :) [10:20] Thanks I will give fluxbox a try [10:47] moin [10:56] <\sh> moins ogra [10:56] <\sh> JaneW: should we file all UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs/* stuff to LP? [10:58] \sh: yes [10:58] all edubuntu stuff must go under distro/ubuntu , so just preface topic with Edubuntu so we can identify them easily please [10:59] <\sh> JaneW: k [11:00] to late [11:00] so, anyone figure out what "infinite justice" means on an ubuntu server setup? [11:00] most of the edubuntu bofs were added by mdz without prefix already... [11:00] there is only edubuntu user management afaik [11:08] ogra: ack... [11:08] ogra: so how are we meant to differentiate them? === jeffubuntu [n=jeff@195.83.246.142] has joined #edubuntu [11:09] we cant... but for the thin client stuff thats ok [11:09] since it applies to the whole distro [11:10] ogra: ok goo [11:10] d === pere_gone is now known as pere [11:11] but indeed its hard to proof that we did work specifically on edubuntu :) [11:12] Hi, all === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.60.217.243] has joined #edubuntu [11:14] someone know the best method to forbiden screensaver on client ? [11:17] jeffubuntu, they shouldnt show up at all, else its a bug [11:20] ok, fine it's because actually i use some fat client with a small debian on it [11:20] with X -query [11:21] you can set mode to "blank" in /etc/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver if it occurs that the LTSP_CLIENT environment var doesnt work as expected ... [11:21] as a workaround [11:22] will work for all users that didnt play with their settings already [11:23] i think the better thing to me, it's to install an etherboot on the hd off my client [11:23] because they don't want an floppy [11:26] should be possible with the rom-o-matic images ... [11:28] "X -query"- doesn't that use xdmcp? [11:28] yes with Xdmcp [11:29] i put an respawn on the client [11:29] if someone kill the xserver, it restart === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.49.5] has joined #edubuntu [11:31] jeffubuntu, then you dont use edubuntu i assume [11:32] so the LTSP_CLIENT variable wont be set at all [11:32] i just migrate of ubuntu to edubuntu yesterday [11:32] and i use debian on client, because in the past i try ltsp [11:32] but not with the edubuntu/ubuntu brezy ltsp [11:33] it doesnt support xdmcp or other unsafe transports at all [11:33] all X transport is ss tunneled in breezy... [11:33] but i'had some problem with my video i840 [11:33] *ssh [11:34] and all x setup works automatically... [11:34] especially helpful for things like i810 [11:34] *i8X0 [11:34] but yesterday i try one pc with a floppy and edubuntu, it's work great ;) [11:34] cool [11:35] this is why now i must install the etherboot on the hd [11:36] wait until Yagisan comes around, he's the absolute etherboot specialist around here :) [11:39] this thread can interest some teacher who must (!) preserve an windows on the client [11:40] with an dual boot : etherboot or windows === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E65A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:41] jeffubuntu, if you got it running, feel free to make a wikipage about it so we can poin others with the same prob there ;) [11:42] *point [11:43] ok i try, this is my "mission" and i accept ;) [11:43] cool, you rock :) [11:45] c you [11:45] bye :) [11:45] jeffubuntu: rom-o-matic can also create lilo boot images for you [11:45] bah! [11:52] ogra: if you look on distrowatch - 'last month', edubuntu has climbed to possition 48 from 72 :) [11:52] WOW [11:53] <- impressed [11:56] wow. that's cause for more cake! === \sh wants cake too.... [11:58] that means... [11:58] that edubuntu has already passed the distrowatch rankings of K12ltsp :) [11:58] === ogra just wants a room for his first three days in montreal... the hotel didnt confirm :( [11:59] *hostel === ajmitch_ will bring a tent === ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | NEXT MEETING: Nov 16 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | Edubuntu 5.10 is out, grab it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Installation help http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | edubuntu on position 48 in last months distrowatch stats [12:02] ajmitch_, "below zero" !! [12:02] ogra: bring a warm sleeping bag :) [12:03] heh [12:03] ogra: I'm surprised that you can't get into the holiday inn [12:03] you've told claire about this? [12:03] i'll try, but i ddnt ask === ajmitch_ suggests you do :) [12:03] i wanted to stay separate for some days [12:03] ok [12:04] ogra: what is it with you and flights and hotel bookings? ;) [12:04] to see some of the city and i like hostels... [12:04] you don't like the rest of us? ;) [12:04] highvoltage: no cake baking will be happening today I am afraid [12:04] JaneW, my flight is fine... its just that the hostel didnt onfirm anything and doko who already stays in the same hostel told me they are full seemingly [12:05] perhaps another hostel will have space [12:05] so i'll have to try to find something spontaneous... [12:05] <\sh> ogra: bridge? ,-) === ajmitch_ was more worried about his passport than where to stay [12:05] ogra: there's always jbailey... [12:05] <\sh> ogra: sleeping bag [12:05] ajmitch_, i guess so... but this one had guaranteed free wireless [12:05] JaneW: true, but him & angie in their apartment already? :) === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@58.69.12.199] has joined #edubuntu [12:06] I guess jeff might have room on the floor :) [12:06] hey all [12:06] worst i'll pay for three nights in the holiday inn myself ... i dont really cae, its only three nights [12:06] hey jerome [12:07] but it breaks my concept :) [12:07] <\sh> ogra: that means >=150 times 3 [12:07] halo halo [12:07] \sh, so ? [12:07] \sh: it's not quite that expensive [12:07] ahhh trip planning...yum [12:07] <\sh> -ETOOMUCH [12:07] bah... come on.. [12:08] CA $135/night [12:08] was what claire told me, if you're not sharing a room [12:08] if i have holidays i stay at home... so its ok to spend some money for that [12:08] ogra: yep, this is my holiday ;) [12:08] thats not even 100 [12:08] a fine price ... [12:08] <\sh> ajmitch_: well...if my ex hadn't be fired from holiday inn, she could help to get a room for 25 in the same hotel..employee rate [12:09] \sh: eek [12:09] ogra: I thought so, and I'm sharing a room, so 1/2 that rate [12:09] <\sh> ajmitch_: we did that in dubai to stay at holiday inn ressorts [12:09] although I just asked for an extension in my booking [12:09] <\sh> ajmitch_: normally 300 per night [12:09] ouch [12:09] <\sh> ajmitch_: employee rate 25 per night ,-) [12:09] in europe you even pay ~75 for the cheapest etap/ibis hotel where you sleep in a room thats rather a plastic box === ajmitch_ doesn't have 300 a night to spend :) [12:10] <\sh> ogra: check for best western in montreal [12:10] i'll do... [12:10] <\sh> ajmitch_: me neither [12:10] 300 euros? jeeezz [12:10] whatever has space for me is fine [12:11] jsgotangco: come on, you've got the key on your laptop ;) [12:11] <\sh> jsgotangco: first I wanted to have a suite in this 7 star class dubai most famous hotel..where a breakfast egg costs 50 US $ [12:11] argh [12:11] $50?! [12:11] that's insane [12:11] ajmitch_, hahaha im in a friend's cafe using a live cd === jsgotangco left his laptop at home [12:11] ajmitch_, nope, thats golden :p [12:11] its a nightmare here [12:11] EVERY SINGLE MACHINE HAS LINSPIRE [12:11] <\sh> ajmitch_: well...the suite (smallest I think is 75 squaremetres) cost 1500 US $ per night or so [12:12] better than win XP [12:12] ajmitch_, I SEE BLUE [12:12] hehe [12:12] good thing i have i gave him a cd pair === bimberi [n=bimberi@ppp-36-225.grapevine.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [12:49] we need to get more ppl to review edubuntu [12:49] no one has submited feedback to our feedback page yet... [12:49] i can review but..it'll be biased.... [12:50] jsgotangco: that's fine [12:50] just be honest [12:50] sure [12:50] hello btw [12:50] hi [12:50] preparing for the trip? [12:50] maybe we can ask ogra to review :) [12:50] lol [12:50] jsgotangco: yes [12:50] beware, it wont be a good review i know the bugs and drawbacks :) [12:51] oh btw [12:51] i have an acid test tommorow [12:51] 44 clients 1 server [12:51] at the college of saint benilde [12:51] hey we have a really advanced user: "I have installed Edubuntu 6.10 on a test desk top which I will be using as a test server. " [12:52] jsgotangco: good luck! [12:52] cool [12:52] well wish me luck will be out the whole day [12:52] heh [12:52] jsgotangco, how do you manage to get the 10GB of extra MEM in for 44 clients ? [12:53] oh i didn't...the lab did [12:53] its a school anyways [12:53] they said it was an ltsp server before [12:53] oh, so the server actually has enough mem ? [12:53] on the morning we will try to set it up [12:53] if it fails we remove clients [12:53] because in the afternoon we expect 20 people to do hands on [12:54] note that you need around 100 (rather a bit more) ram for each client you attach [12:54] *MB [12:54] that's no problem [12:54] they are PCs not really thin clients [12:54] they wanted to do a proof of concept for the officers [12:54] but edubuntu doesnt use the local ressources yet [12:54] yeah [12:54] its a new lab [12:55] i still haven't seen it [12:55] they have 2 servers avaialable [12:55] both are smp [12:55] i mean you wont gain anything with real PCs as clinets [12:55] its a pretty rich school anyways [12:55] yeah [12:55] its their lab not mine :) [12:55] i told them about it [12:55] since everyting runs with their gigabit network [12:56] im not so much a network person but i saw their diagram its pretty solid [01:20] Wohoo! :D LTSP is up and running! How cool :] Now I just want to connect many computers to the server, to see how much it can handle. Too bad there is so little space here. [01:20] stack them ;) [01:21] ogra: hehe. Ill try... ;) Just have to get them up-and-running. Some of the IBM PL300's doesnt come with network-boot-option! Although most of them do. Strange problem. [01:22] Have to make a boot cd I guess. [01:35] But, what is the best way to make users for LTSP? I mean, I don't really want everybody being able to log onto the server etc. Right now I just made a normal account using the GUI-user administration program. [01:36] thats the way to do... [01:36] the session runs on the server, so you need a user on the server to log in... [01:39] Ok. So they can log onto the server itself as well? I can't restrict them from doing that? Kinda like "only allow login via ssh"? [01:39] nope... [01:40] probably something to evalate for dapper+1 ... [01:40] Well, ok :) Isn't a real problem now anyway. Just wanted to do The Correct Thing(tm). [01:41] but not even legacy ltsp can do that [01:41] Anyway, the implementation is way cool, kudos! ;D [01:42] only half of it can go to me ... the design is made by mdz :) [01:43] the cool thing is, that you could make a server from every machine rinnung ssh in your network ... [01:44] i'm thinking about to make up a gui for the login manager to set up sessions this way... somehow like xdmcp... but you dont need X installed on the server === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@58.69.12.199] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [01:51] ogra: Hmm... I've installed normal Edubuntu on the server, should I maybe not start X, to make more resources avaiable to the clients? [01:51] if you need more mem, that would be a easy step, yes ... [01:55] 250MB ram on the server :P It's actually using swap right now, 4MB mem free. 157MB swap used. [01:57] 250B is quite low :) [01:59] Yes, I know :p But it was for testing, not serious :) Hm. How can I find CPU-speed? [01:59] top [01:59] Another thing, the ntpdate is kinda bothering when you don't have internet. It stops at that place for a long time. [02:00] ogra: It doesn't give you that info? Only % being used. [02:00] remove it from /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d [02:02] Of course :p - I keep forgetting it's a own installation in there. Well, I'll go ghost some win98 machines. [02:02] Thanks :) [02:04] :) === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:43] hi there === vincenzio [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:44] ogra: ping [03:45] yesterday, vmoral and I disussed about the pros and cons of edubuntu for Chilean schools env. [03:51] ogra: He mentioned something I consider very imprtant: AFAIK, if LTSP works via SSH, then X is sending packages all the time. And if so, then the real bottleneck is the network load/capacity. [03:51] if 10 clients are executing parallel sessions of OOO, then the network will collapse. [03:52] mainly because X sends packages at once (per request) [03:52] ogra: is that so? === \sh is now known as \sh_away === mhz leaves for another edubuntu demo === magnon [n=co@ool-44c1c557.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-75-150-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === pere is now known as pere_gone === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-75-150-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #edubuntu [] [04:34] ogra: btw, on installed edubuntu, the problem with tuxpaint-sound didnt appear to happen [!] [04:34] enyc, cool [04:34] gah, i missed mhz === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:45] ogra: BUT the tuxpaint link was copied to desktop... [04:45] huh ? [04:45] ogra: Im not sure if it failed when ran from the menu-item [04:46] ogra: and the machines not here now ;p its off in tha land of kiddies [04:46] hmm, it should be identical with a copied one on the desktop [04:46] heh [04:47] remember... when in wasnt working... running 'tuxpaint' from cmd-line worked... [04:47] anyway ... brb..... === pirast [n=pirast@p508B3C95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu [05:29] bark [05:30] back even ;p === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === invasifspecies [n=robmore@dhcp-ap-a-153-182.coe.ohio-state.edu] has joined #edubuntu [05:32] hello edubuntu [05:33] anyone here? [05:33] just write your question :-) [05:35] I'm a science ed graduate student in Columbus Ohio, I just installed edubuntu and I'm impressed. I plan to try it out in some local schools.... [05:35] cool :) [05:35] does anyone know if a ppc version is likely any time soon? [05:36] the ppc ltsp package had a heavy bug, we couldnt release it ... [05:37] if you only want to use a workstation install, use the last edubuntu daily from cdimage.ubuntu.com, its 100% identical with the release [05:38] That's useful info. I may try the workstation. Also, where can I learn about supported ppc machines for ubuntu and kubuntu? I have one of the pre USB G3 laptops. I think it is the last of the old world roms and it wont boot from ubuntu CD. Will it work if I try some other boot engine? [05:38] another way to use it on ppc is to install ubuntu and post install just install edubuntu-desktop, that also brings you a workstation install [05:39] I can wait for a ppc version but it will be extremely useful to know that one will be available eventually...... [05:39] i only know that we officially onyl support new world, but there were some related threads on ubuntu-users and i think there is also info in the ubuntu wiki [05:39] or will you just skip ppc and instead aim for edubuntu for the new intel macs? [05:40] i didnt plan to have non this release ;) the ltsp bug showed up while testing the release isos only.. [05:40] we had not enough ppc testers during development that would have discovered it [05:40] too bad [05:40] maybe I can find some for you. [05:41] there are lots of ibm blade servers serving thin clinets out there... as long as i have something to say in the distro we wont drop ppc ;) [05:41] cool [05:41] because many schools are full of old macs [05:41] yup... [05:42] not in europe though... but io heard about US being a big field for them at schools [05:43] actually old world mac edubuntu would probably cause me to do a dance of joy since there are thousands of them in schools here and OS 9 is really obsolete now. === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu [05:43] look on the wiki... there is info about old world macs somewhere [05:44] Anyway, let me take this opportunity to thank the team for your work... I absolutely love what I see so far and I think it has great potential for underfunded schools in the US [05:44] How is the foundation funded? [05:45] and have you considered doing the rounds of some of the major educational conferences to tell teachers about the advantages of edubuntu? [05:45] currently only by marks donation ... i'm not really sure how its supposed to fund itself in the fututre.. [05:45] Do you have a grant writer? [05:46] I bet NSF would be interested [05:46] yes, but thats a matter of payment... we'll have our conference in montreal next week and i think we'll discuss such things there [05:47] I can think of a bunch of places where you could apply for grants. tech in education is highly fundable. [05:47] yup [05:48] we'll certainly do ... [05:49] currently money is not our major prob ... first we need a community and more developers edubuntu breezy was a one man show... development wise .. [05:49] I'm thinking of doing some published research on using edubuntu in schools. I wonder if there might be any opportunity for some kind of formal collaboration. Do you have some kind of research group or any academic partnerships at this time? [05:49] would you like to? [05:50] yes, absolutely... [05:51] we have a community feedback page on the wiki [05:51] ok I'll check it out. [05:52] so... to be clear... you say that hopefully.. there will eventually be a mac version of edubuntu? [05:52] and is there anything I can do to help make that happen? [05:52] with the next release, yes [05:53] in all honesty, I think I could drum up a couple of ppc testers with linux experience... what other qualifications would they need? [05:54] motivation would be enough... for technical questios we got the channle here and the edubuntu-devel mailing list ;) [05:54] ok [05:55] ok, i'll be afk for some time now, have to prepare my travel to montreal tomorrow [05:55] well thanks for your time... is there an email address for a formal communication regarding some kind of academic collaboration? [05:56] edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com ... [05:56] cheers. [05:56]