[03:51] <Riddell> \sh_away: http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/Release_Notification
[04:11] <StR> Hi all
[04:11] <Riddell> hi StR 
[04:11] <StR> Hi Riddell 
[04:12] <StR> so tell me what are you doing now that breezy is out?   fixing kde3.5b2 problems?,  or what are the plans
[04:13] <Riddell> today I have been mostly making sure the new amarok release is what they say it is
[04:13] <Riddell> tomorrow I shall be packing for montreal
[04:14] <StR> ahh IC
[04:14] <StR> Riddell: where do you live now?
[04:17] <Riddell> StR: Edinburgh
[04:26] <KaiL_> rotflbtc @ bug 18425
[04:26] <KaiL_> year, it's really a critical bug, that Cool&Quiet loweres the CPU clock ;)
[04:39] <seth_k> anybody else running KDE 3.5b2 that I can corroborate a couple bugs with?
[04:49] <Riddell> StR: yo
[04:52] <Riddell> seth_k: yo
[04:53] <seth_k> Riddell, on my desktop, "Icons > Align to Grid" isn't working.
[04:54] <Riddell> seth_k: works for me
[04:54] <seth_k> hmmm
[04:54] <Riddell> testers needed http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.5.php
[04:55] <seth_k> Riddell, also, when an icon on my desktop is selected, its text disappears, and just the "shadow" of the text is left
[04:56] <Riddell> seth_k: it goes black for me
[04:57] <seth_k> yeah, I guess it could be going black. But my desktop is black :P and it didn't do that before in any case
[04:57] <seth_k> any way to change? I thought maybe it was a new Appearance > Colors option, but no go
[04:57] <seth_k> in KDE 3.4 it just stayed white
[08:04] <KaiL_> Riddell, what exactly should be new in amarok 1.3.5? ;)
[08:05] <Tm_T> KaiL_: I think #amarok whould answer that ;)
[08:05] <Tm_T> KaiL_: it's just backporting from 1.4 branch mostly
[08:05] <Tm_T> afaik
[08:06] <KaiL_> at least a see a new volume tool
[08:06] <Tm_T> hmm, been there for awhile
[08:06] <Tm_T> I like it :)
[08:07] <KaiL_> not in 1.3.1 ;)
[08:07] <Tm_T> just one issue, it looks too "soften"
[08:07] <Tm_T> everything else is sharp and clear, volumeslider is different
[08:07] <KaiL_> yes
[08:30] <pef> hello
[08:41] <pef> Riddell: hello Jonathan, can you please upload my fix for kcheckgmail (malone #2018) for breezy-updates ? thanks !
[09:32] <Verwilst> hellow!
[09:32] <Tm_T> moi
[09:32] <Verwilst> Riddell, found a bug in the kde3.5beta2 debs ;)
[09:32] <Verwilst> kmail should depend on libmimelib1a
[09:33] <Tm_T> Verwilst: haha, I think teprrr mentioned all missinf dependencies yesterday =)
[09:33] <Tm_T> and there was many
[09:33] <Verwilst> ah :)
[09:33] <Verwilst> yeah, now it's libkpgp.so.2 :p
[09:34] <Verwilst> libkleopatra0a
[09:34] <Verwilst> strange names :p
[09:35] <Verwilst> but evolution is icky :p
[09:35] <Tm_T> :(
[09:35] <Tm_T> I compile kdepim myself
[09:35] <Verwilst> gnome is just more... polished
[09:35] <Verwilst> but i still prefer kde because because it's waaaay more usable
[09:36] <Verwilst> but it just feels ... clunky overall :$
[09:36] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:36] <Tm_T> to me, KDE is teh best
[09:36] <Verwilst> i've been using kde since 2.0, and gnome for 5 days now :p
[09:36] <Verwilst> kde really feels unified and solid
[09:36] <Verwilst> uh
[09:36] <Verwilst> gnome
[09:37] <Tm_T> :(
[09:39] <Verwilst> hehe
[09:39] <Verwilst> it's great to try everything
[09:39] <Verwilst> that way you know what's missing in the other :)
[09:40] <Verwilst> and i really don't like the kubuntu ksplash/kdm theme :d
[10:47] <Verwilst> and distributing them if they're not too big
[10:47] <Verwilst> maybe through bittorrent ;)
[10:54] <amu> alt.binaeries.kde35b2 ? 
[10:56] <Verwilst> never used newsgroups :)
[11:22] <\sh> amu: alt.binaries.binaries.erotica.kde35b2 to have more testers ,-)
[11:22] <\sh> aeh
[11:22] <\sh> alt.binaries.debs.erotica.kde35b2 to have more testers ,-)
[11:28] <amu> alt.binaries.kubuntu.debs ..... :) 
[11:31] <Verwilst> :p
[11:34] <\sh> alt.binaries.naughty.kubuntu.debs ?
[11:34] <Lathiat> haha
[11:34] <\sh> amu: we're old farts who know the secrets behind those strange group names ,->
[11:35] <amu> ...naughty.undressed
[11:36] <amu> psst dont tell everyone my age :D
[11:37] <pef> Verwilst: if you want to use bittorrent, I can let my client running 24/24 (850 kbit/s in upload)
[11:40] <Verwilst> sweet :)
[11:40] <Verwilst> well, i added --enable-debug=full, but seems like debuild adds --disable-debug before it
[11:40] <Verwilst> so i hope it only takes the last argument into account ;)
[11:41] <Verwilst> hm i don't think so.. it's too small
[11:41] <Verwilst> the debs i mean
[11:45] <pef> Verwilst: try to override with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS ?
[11:56] <Verwilst> hm
[11:57] <Verwilst> it adds -DNO_DEBUG too and stuffs so yeah
[11:57] <Verwilst> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS := nostrip debug?
[11:58] <amu> Verwilst: you build them for breezy ? 
[11:58] <Verwilst> yeah
[11:59] <Verwilst> still -DNO_DEBUG
[11:59] <Verwilst> bleh
[11:59] <amu> cool, letme know if they are ready, i'll upgrade the livecd
[12:35] <\sh> ok..lets check out python-qt3_3.15-3
[12:45] <Tm_T> hm
[12:47] <Verwilst> amu, cool :) but adding debugging adds A LOT of megs to the debs :)
[12:56] <amu> that's the only way reporting and testing beta software .... 
[01:02] <\sh> uh
[01:02] <\sh> I just broke main
[01:02] <Riddell> \sh: what did you do?
[01:03] <\sh> Riddell: uploaded new version of sip4-qt3
[01:03] <\sh> for preparing a new python-qt3 upload
[01:03] <\sh> for preparing a new python-kde upload
[01:03] <\sh> actually for the fun of it ;)
[01:04] <\sh> btw
[01:04] <Riddell> don't see it in dapper-changes
[01:04] <\sh> Betreff: 	sip4-qt3_4.3-1ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED
[01:04] <\sh> Datum: 	Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:55:05 +0100 (BST)  (12:55 CEST)
[01:05] <\sh> this is katie
[01:05] <\sh> btw...
[01:05] <\sh> please leave the sip* stuff always as ubuntu package
[01:07] <Riddell> is uploading KDE 3.5 going to break all that badly?
[01:07] <Tm_T> ?
[01:08] <\sh> Riddell: upload a beta version for the fun of it and for many many many ug reports -,)
[01:23] <Verwilst> kde 3.5 beta in dapper would be nice ;)
[01:23] <Verwilst> it'll be really stable once it's released that way :p
[01:23] <Verwilst> Riddell, adding --enable-debug=full to the rules file doesn't seem to cut it :(
[01:24] <Riddell> Verwilst: what about DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS?
[01:24] <Verwilst> added debug :$
[01:24] <Verwilst> nostrip was there eh
[01:24] <Riddell> and nostrip?
[01:24] <Verwilst> so i added debug
[01:24] <Riddell> hmm
[01:26] <Verwilst> gonna compile kdevelop too with debugging enabled :p that damned thing hasn't been stable since the day i first started using it a few years ago :p
[01:32] <Tm_T> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.5.php
[01:32] <Tm_T> :o
[01:37] <Riddell> Tm_T: hay, how did you find that? :)
[01:37] <Verwilst> Riddell, any idea how to enable debugging? :p
[01:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: I spy
[01:42] <Tm_T> Riddell: I expect that is still a bit "sshhh" ;)
[01:42] <Riddell> Tm_T: front page now
[01:42] <Riddell> Verwilst: dunno, isn't kdevelop a non cdbs package?
[01:43] <Tm_T> Riddell: it is? it wasn't 5min ago :p
[01:44] <Tm_T> Riddell: oh, looks like "read more" isn't ok
[01:44] <Riddell> fixed
[01:44] <Verwilst> well it's a seperate pkg, but it needs some debugging loving ;)
[01:44] <Tm_T> muy bien
[01:50] <\sh> amarok-1.3.5? did i miss something?
[01:53] <\sh> sip4-qt3 build on all 3 archs ;)
[01:53] <\sh> now for pyqt
[02:09] <apokryphos> hm, why is the title "KDE 3.5 Beta 2 Out for Testing with Kubuntu Packages"? Doesn't seem to have anything with 3.5
[02:14] <Tm_T> ?
[02:16] <apokryphos> Tm_T: on the announcement, that's the title of the amaroK article
[02:28] <Tm_T> sir Riddell: :)
[02:31] <apokryphos> Tm_T: I'd watch out for the flying 10kg quaker book flying your way ;-)
[02:32] <Tm_T> apokryphos: it's already here :)
[02:32] <Tm_T> "whoa! flying kitchensink!"
[02:32] <apokryphos> heh
[02:32] <Tm_T> I bet he'll run out of frunitures before winter
[02:34] <Tm_T> ufrnitutres
[02:34] <Tm_T> furnitures
[02:35] <Tm_T> I did it \o/
[02:35] <apokryphos> third time lucky
[02:36] <Tm_T> yu
[02:36] <Tm_T> + all erased lines
[02:47] <pef> Riddell: hello
[02:48] <Riddell> pef: hi
[02:48] <pef> Riddell: can you please upload kcheckgmail present on revu ?http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=800
[02:52] <Riddell> pef: what is the debian/_pending directory?
[02:56] <Riddell> pef: there's already 0.5.4 in debian, with your patch
[02:56] <Riddell> we should ask for a sync
[02:57] <pef> Riddell: debian/_pending is from debian source package, I think it's a dirty todo list for the maintainer :/
[02:58] <pef> Riddell: a sync seems to be the clever way, you're right
[02:58] <Riddell> it'll come in on the big sync
[03:02] <pef> Riddell: where can I find informations about this sync ?
[03:03] <Riddell> ubuntu-announce
[03:04] <pef> k, thanks :)
[03:05] <Tm_T> http://placelibre.ath.cx/keyes/index.php/2005/09/29/45-easy-ubuntu-23
[03:05] <Tm_T> ?
[03:15] <Riddell> Tm_T: there's an easy kubuntu as well
[03:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: uh, haven't seen one. Is those apps reliable? I mean does they do " --foce-all " like Automatix do and thus have high chance to break system
[03:41] <Riddell> Tm_T: I havn't tried it.  the way I learned about easy kubuntu was a post to the mailing list going "I used easy kubuntu and it broke my system, how do I fix"
[03:41] <Tm_T> =)
[03:42] <Tm_T> yup, sounds like dpkg -i --force-all
[03:43] <\sh> sh*t toolchain is already broken
[03:43] <Tm_T> :(
[03:44] <\sh> can't compile any g++ stuff
[03:46] <Riddell> mez hasn't been around for a while, I hope he's going to turn up for the conference
[03:47] <\sh> Riddell: he is...
[03:47] <\sh> Riddell: sponsored
[03:48] <Riddell> that's why it would be bad manners not to turn up :)
[03:49] <\sh> Riddell: mez is busy shuffling cards at a casino ;)
[03:49] <\sh> and toolchain is really fcked up
[04:57] <pef> can someone use pbuilder with dapper ? I get kdelibs4-dev package broken
[04:59] <author-psi> and Knews too
[05:00] <pef> kdelibs4-dev dapper package is broken I think, or it is pbuilder :D
[05:01] <Riddell> what's broken about it?
[05:03] <pef> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:03] <pef>   kdelibs4-dev: Depends: kdelibs4c2 (= 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[05:03] <pef>                 Depends: kdelibs-bin (= 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[05:03] <pef> Riddell: I try to build a package which has kdelibs4-dev as Build-Depends under pbuilder with dapper repository, and I have the error: 
[05:04] <pef> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3598
[05:06] <Riddell> need to keep digging to find out what the real problem is
[05:18] <Verwilst> okido, seems like it works like a charm ( it creates a dbg deb )
[05:18] <Verwilst> which is 20 meg for kdelibs
[05:18] <Verwilst> so i'll make em in the following days
[05:19] <Verwilst> that debug livecd would be sweet ;)
[05:19] <Verwilst> Riddell, maybe it can be put on kubuntu.org?
[05:19] <Verwilst> we'll be able to get some nice bugreports with it ;)
[05:20] <Riddell> Verwilst: what did you do?
[05:21] <Verwilst> Riddell, recompiling the kde 3.5 debs with --enable-debug=full
[05:21] <Riddell> all of them?
[05:22] <Verwilst> well, i did kdelibs, it's been a busy day at work :)
[05:22] <Riddell> what DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS were set?
[05:22] <Verwilst> nostrip debug
[05:23] <Verwilst> why nostrip actually?
[05:23] <Verwilst> stripping is nice :d
[05:23] <Riddell> not if you want debugging info
[05:23] <Verwilst> yeah true, but i mean for normal builds
[05:25] <Verwilst> Riddell, any idea why nostrip is enabled by default?
[05:25] <Verwilst> we would have smaller pkgs otherwise :d
[05:26] <Verwilst> oh, and prelinking?
[05:29] <Riddell> Verwilst: in 3.5?
[05:29] <mdz-phone> Riddell: please subscribe to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/gstreamer-audio-backend to provide kubuntu input
[05:29] <Verwilst> yipperz
[05:29] <mdz-phone> Riddell: as far as standardizing audio output methods
[05:34] <Riddell> mdz-phone: done
[05:35] <Verwilst> Riddell, you like it?
[05:36] <Verwilst> my dbg thingies that is :)
[05:36] <Riddell> Verwilst: yes, thanks :), a debdiff would be useful
[05:37] <Riddell> I threw in the nostrip bit in the hope that would be the right way to do it, but didn't have time to check further since breezy was the priority at the time
[05:40] <Verwilst> Riddell, so without nostrip should be tested as well?
[05:40] <Verwilst> i can do that ;)
[05:40] <Verwilst> but i'm off, girlie-time :p
[05:40] <Verwilst> see ya!!
[05:42] <seaLne> any akregator users here (3.4.3)?
[05:43] <seaLne> my akregator kicker number of messages thing is stranger if i have no unread posts it lists unread as -1 and i've just noticed if i have 1 it dosen't display anything
[05:51] <cmvo> Riddell: Hi Jonathan!
[05:53] <Riddell> hi cmvo 
[05:53] <Riddell> seaLne: in 3.5 it doesn't run at all
[05:53] <Riddell> so an off by 1 error isn't as bad really
[05:53] <cmvo> Two things about the breezy desktop splash:
[05:54] <seaLne> Riddell: heh
[05:55] <cmvo> Is the silver rectangle suppoded to contain anything? And when the last three arrows are displayed a progress bar at the lower right appears with 0%.
[05:57] <cmvo> s/suppoded/supposed/
[06:00] <Riddell> cmvo: the artist intended for it to say "breezy badger" or something, but we can't have text on a splash screen
[06:00] <Riddell> the progress bar is ment to be the progress of restarting your KDE applications
[06:03] <seaLne> it does look weird wth nothing in it tho, my first thought was is something missing
[06:05] <Riddell> also it should be the same as the image on kdm where it has the username and password fields, but it's not that smooth
[06:06] <cmvo> ok, I wasn't sure, because I was under the impression that on other spalshes the prograssbar indicates the progress of the startup as a whole.
[06:07] <Riddell> cmvo: it's been discussed by KDE before and, as with a lot of artist issues, nobody did anything
[06:08] <Riddell> we'll use moodin ksplash theme for dapper
[06:11] <cmvo> Ah, found moodin, seems to look good.
[06:11] <Riddell> just need some fancy artwork to go with it :)
[06:15] <seaLne> kind of worrying that you only need 3 fingers to use moodin tho :)
[06:18] <cmvo> Just installed it on breezy. I didn't like the big slash screens in the past, but this one looks good.
[06:23] <cmvo> BTW, Jonathan did you have a chance to try to recreate my Fixed misc font selection problem?
[06:32] <pef> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=794 I remind you :)
[06:33] <Riddell> cmvo: I changed fontconfig how you said, but it hasn't changed the fonts available to me in Konsole's select font dialogue
[06:37] <cmvo> The config change affects the general font selection dialog. For Konsole this is Settings/Font/Custom... You can try System Settings / Appearance / Fonts too.
[06:38] <cmvo> Choose Fixed [misc]  size 13 and compare it to size 10 and 14, it just isn't the same font.
[06:41] <cmvo> I'd really like to get the right Fixed-misc-13 as this was the Konsole medium font in Woody (with KDE 3.1.4) which I used most.
[06:42] <cmvo> I can't figure out if it is a fontconfig, qt or kde problem.
[06:45] <Riddell> what's wrong with dejavu fixed?
[06:46] <cmvo> DejaVu Sans Mono?
[06:46] <Riddell> yeah
[06:49] <cmvo> It has thicker lines and narrower characters. It is just not as easy to read.
[06:50] <Riddell> I don't have a Fixed [misc] 
[06:54] <cmvo> Hm... Did you delete the link to no-bitmaps.conf in /etc/fonts/conf.d ?
[06:54] <Riddell> yep
[06:55] <Riddell> it means some webpages seem to use non-anti aliased fonts now
[06:56] <cmvo> Strange, doesn't happen here. You're running breezy?
[06:56] <Riddell> yes
[06:57] <cmvo> Ok, I'll keep digging. Don't want to steal you time with this one-man-problem :-)
[06:58] <cmvo> s/you/your/
[06:59] <cmvo> I first thought it was a Kubuntu problem, but it is also in Sarge. So it is more likely qt or kde related.
[07:04] <Riddell> if it's a bitmap font I guess that means it just doesn't have a 13point size
[07:14] <cmvo> A misc-fixed-medium-r-*-*-13 exists. I can select it with xfontsel.
[07:32] <cmvo> As xfontsel finds it, it more a qt problem. Now for the depth of qt font substitution...
[08:16] <cmvo> Got to go. Goodbye everybody!
[10:11] <verwilst> heyheyhey!
[10:12] <tvo> hi verwilst 
[10:12] <author-psi> verwilst: for amaroK?
[10:13] <verwilst> no
[10:13] <verwilst> full kde :d
[10:13] <author-psi> oh great
[10:44] <verwilst> Riddell, can't seem to build arts with debugging
[10:44] <verwilst> oh well, it's a piece of crap that hopfully dies soon anyways :d
[10:44] <Riddell> verwilst: what happens?
[10:44] <verwilst> nothing :p
[10:45] <verwilst> just keeps saying -DNO_DEBUG, and no -dbg pkg afterwards
[10:45] <verwilst> now doing kdelibs
[10:47] <verwilst>  -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG 
[10:47] <verwilst> grr, kdelibs too
[10:53] <verwilst> grrrm, the -DNO_DEBUG stays :(
[10:57] <verwilst> damned :p
[11:04] <verwilst> bedtime, see ya!
[11:21] <allee> verwilst: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS := nostrip
[11:22] <allee> oh gone.