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| DouglasBrown | Hi, what is the standard thing to do if two pages exist on the wiki that cover the same ground but need updating? Update both? | 12:49 |
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| Kinnison | ciao | 01:45 |
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| bhuvan | anybody out there from wikiteam ? | 03:22 |
| bhuvan | knock knock .. anybody out there from wikiteam ? | 03:40 |
| Madpilot | hi bhuvan | 03:43 |
| bhuvan | hello | 03:43 |
| Madpilot | what's up? | 03:43 |
| bhuvan | i've made changes to subversion document, wiki.u.c/SubVersion | 03:44 |
| bhuvan | it's in CategoryCleanup. can you check and let me move it off to CategoryDocumentation and UserDocumentation ? | 03:44 |
| Madpilot | I'm reading it now; I've never really used SVN, though - except to get the Ubuntu Docs. | 03:45 |
| bhuvan | ok | 03:45 |
| Madpilot | one minor point: Ubuntu and Linux should always be capitalized | 03:46 |
| bhuvan | oh, ok | 03:46 |
| Madpilot | under Installation, you should probably mention which repository SVN is in | 03:47 |
| Madpilot | Universe, I assume | 03:47 |
| bhuvan | ok | 03:48 |
| ajmitch | main | 03:48 |
| ajmitch | it's too important a tool to have in universe :) | 03:48 |
| Madpilot | ajmitch: thanks | 03:48 |
| Madpilot | bhuvan: as it's in Main, you don't even need to mention extra repos - Main is always enabled, AFAIK | 03:49 |
| bhuvan | repos, i meant here is root directory. under this directory, we can have many projects. under projects, it may contain main, trunk, tags | 03:50 |
| Madpilot | bhuvan: sorry, I was talking about the Installation section, not the parts about actually using SVN | 03:50 |
| bhuvan | ok | 03:51 |
| Madpilot | also there's no real need to mention root access - just sudo. link to RootSudo might be a good idea | 03:51 |
| bhuvan | oh, ok | 03:51 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot: any other corrections ? | 04:02 |
| Madpilot | one more under Installation: if you're giving console commands like apt-get, put them inside a code box | 04:06 |
| bhuvan | ok | 04:06 |
| Madpilot | apt-get install subversion | 04:07 |
| Madpilot | apt-get install libapache2-svn | 04:07 |
| Madpilot | gah... | 04:07 |
| bhuvan | yeah | 04:07 |
| Madpilot | put {{{ before that and }}} after that | 04:07 |
| Madpilot | on seperate lines | 04:07 |
| bhuvan | yeah, i got your point | 04:07 |
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| whiprush | ah | 04:46 |
| Burgundavia | salut whiprush | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | whiprush! | 04:47 |
| whiprush | hello corey/aj | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | what's new on the fridge? | 04:47 |
| whiprush | Burgundavia: in case I keep missing docteam meetings... please let the guys know that the fridge is ready to showcase their content. :D | 04:47 |
| whiprush | ajmitch: waiting for jdub to wake up to run a universe tour I did. | 04:48 |
| Burgundavia | whiprush, ok. The person that really needs to start writing is me, but I have been lazy | 04:48 |
| ajmitch | ah nice | 04:48 |
| whiprush | Burgundavia: well then, we're in the same club. :D | 04:48 |
| ajmitch | last I heard he was in spain | 04:48 |
| Burgundavia | whiprush, do you support full html entries>? | 04:48 |
| whiprush | but, if someone does a really kickass wiki page or something, there's no reason why we couldn't do a feature on it. | 04:48 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 04:49 |
| whiprush | Burgundavia: ironically, when jdub switches my account to allow full html I lose all editing priviledges. | 04:49 |
| === Burgundavia hasn't seen any really kickass wikis yet | ||
| whiprush | so he just has to turn it into html in the options. | 04:49 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, that is odd | 04:49 |
| whiprush | Burgundavia: well, I've seen some pages that are better than 90% of the existing crap out there, so it's a start | 04:49 |
| Burgundavia | shall we start showcasing them at one per week? | 04:50 |
| whiprush | we could. | 04:50 |
| whiprush | jsgontanco and I talked about it briefly at udu. | 04:51 |
| Burgundavia | you going to be at UBZ? | 04:51 |
| whiprush | basically, follow the docteam on whatever scrub mission it's on. | 04:51 |
| whiprush | going to try to make love day. | 04:51 |
| Burgundavia | that would be cool | 04:51 |
| whiprush | yeah, gonna try | 04:51 |
| whiprush | spent all my money at the gnome summit | 04:51 |
| whiprush | but jdub is the fridgemeister, so whatever you guys figure out will work. | 04:52 |
| Burgundavia | luckily I just started a new job, so I have some right now | 04:52 |
| whiprush | but anyway, if you've got someone coming to you itching to write cool stuff about ubuntu, feel free to send them my way | 04:52 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 04:53 |
| Burgundavia | have you talked to the marketing team yet? | 04:53 |
| whiprush | and we should definately use it as a showcase of good wiki stuff. | 04:53 |
| whiprush | I'm on the list. | 04:53 |
| Burgundavia | ok, I am seeing lots of hotair so far | 04:53 |
| whiprush | well, we all have "cool ideas" | 04:54 |
| whiprush | it's that dang implementation thing getting in the way. :D | 04:54 |
| whiprush | Burgundavia: see jane silber at ubz wrt the marketing stuff | 04:55 |
| whiprush | she's rocking. | 04:55 |
| Burgundavia | I wish to could do more with marketing | 04:55 |
| whiprush | don't we all | 04:55 |
| Burgundavia | but I will not be doing anything with ubuntu marketing for the forseeable future | 04:55 |
| Burgundavia | due to my current job | 04:55 |
| Burgundavia | whiprush, I will fire you some wiki pages by tonight | 05:00 |
| whiprush | ok rocking. | 05:01 |
| Madpilot | decent wiki pages... I like to think that BasicCommands works | 05:01 |
| Burgundavia | whiprush, here is an excellent one to begin the process with | 05:01 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands | 05:01 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: great minds run in the same gutters ;) | 05:02 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression | 05:02 |
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| whiprush | Burgundavia: cool dude I'll check those tomorrow | 05:06 |
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| mdke | Madpilot, if you and corey have any thoughts on that BetterWikiDocs spec, please add em! | 10:06 |
| rob^ | hi mdke | 10:06 |
| mdke | hello | 10:06 |
| mdke | rob^, any luck on fixing those xinclude errors? | 10:09 |
| rob^ | no, I haven't had time to have a look | 10:10 |
| rob^ | picked up extra shifts at work in the last week | 10:10 |
| mdke | ah | 10:10 |
| mdke | bummer | 10:10 |
| Madpilot | mdke: will do; I had a look at it a few days ago, but not recently | 10:10 |
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| rob^ | yeah, considering I don't get paid anymore for em | 10:10 |
| mdke | Madpilot, we only wrote it yesterday | 10:11 |
| mdke | and it was mainly inspired by corey's idea so make sure he looks at it | 10:11 |
| Madpilot | mdke: I guess it was only yesterday I read it, then... it's been a long week already, and it's only (barely) Tuesday here... | 10:11 |
| mdke | :) | 10:12 |
| Madpilot | mdke: Corey's signed up on the BetterWikiDocs page already, so he's aware of it | 10:18 |
| mdke | i signed him up, but yes, I think he is aware of it | 10:19 |
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| jsgotangco | hey all | 12:21 |
| ajmitch | hi | 12:21 |
| mdke | hi | 12:26 |
| jsgotangco | hey mdke | 12:26 |
| jsgotangco | nice spec | 12:26 |
| mdke | thanks, it's still early days yet | 12:27 |
| === mdke is still aching to get onto planet | ||
| === ajmitch isn't on planet either ;) | ||
| jsgotangco | heh bug jdub | 12:30 |
| mdke | its a crying shame | 12:30 |
| mdke | that the two most fascinating people in the Ubuntu community don't have a voice | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | who? | 12:31 |
| mdke | me and ajmitch | 12:31 |
| mdke | you other guys are well boring | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | right | 12:31 |
| mdke | :p | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | at least i don't blog about useless stuff | 12:31 |
| mdke | nice post about the accessibility thing btw | 12:31 |
| mdke | i did it this morning | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | its hard | 12:32 |
| mdke | (handsfreememail) | 12:32 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:32 |
| mdke | especially since gok crashes on me | 12:32 |
| jsgotangco | im pretty insterested in accessibility lately | 12:32 |
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| mdke | i was chatting to henrik yesterday about it | 12:33 |
| mdke | he gave me a few cheats :) | 12:33 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:33 |
| mdke | he is the only one who can do completely hands free though | 12:33 |
| jsgotangco | i have been busy lately :( | 12:33 |
| jsgotangco | after i see completed specs i start working... | 12:34 |
| mdke | :) | 12:34 |
| jsgotangco | but for now i focus on adjusting to my new job | 12:34 |
| jsgotangco | i've been reading a lot on kde docs | 12:35 |
| jsgotangco | im in a friend's cafe that has been invaded by linspire | 12:36 |
| jsgotangco | good thing i have a live cd | 12:36 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, where are the translations in d.u.c? | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | i mean help.ubuntu.com | 12:49 |
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| mdke | jsgotangco, replace C with country code | 01:14 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, its not linked at all :( | 01:15 |
| mdke | correct | 01:15 |
| mdke | henrik suggested during the meeting that we use a wiki page | 01:16 |
| mdke | so locoteams can do it, and if they move docs to their own server, amend the links | 01:16 |
| jsgotangco | right... | 01:16 |
| bhuvan | hello there, i'm unable to edit wiki pages. it reports, auth database is temporarily unavailable. | 01:47 |
| bhuvan | any maintenance work in progress ? | 01:47 |
| mdke | yes | 01:47 |
| bhuvan | the problem is in wiki.u.c .. | 01:47 |
| bhuvan | ok | 01:47 |
| mdke | should be about 30 minutes | 01:47 |
| bhuvan | oh, ok | 01:48 |
| mdke | btw the auth database is at launchpad.net | 01:48 |
| bhuvan | ok | 01:48 |
| jsgotangco | ok brb | 01:48 |
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| bhuvan | in future, atleast we can set this as a channel message or wiki broadcast message :) | 01:49 |
| mdke | it was announced on -devel and #launchpad | 01:50 |
| bhuvan | oh, ok! so, i must join #launchpad :) | 01:50 |
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| bhuvan | how can we set TOC in moin ? | 02:37 |
| bhuvan | TOC - table of contents | 02:38 |
| bhuvan | in mediawiki it's set by default based on head{%d}. how about moin ? | 02:38 |
| mdke | [[TableOfContents] ] | 02:39 |
| mdke | see HelpOnMacros | 02:39 |
| bhuvan | ok, thankx | 02:39 |
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| bhuvan | what's the status of rss implementation for RecentChanges page in moin ? | 03:00 |
| Seveas | rob^, there? | 03:00 |
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| jjesse | morning :) | 03:06 |
| Seveas | hi jjesse | 03:10 |
| Seveas | thanks for your e-mail | 03:11 |
| jjesse | morning Seveas | 03:11 |
| jjesse | your welcome | 03:11 |
| Seveas | I'd like to see you and rob^ as members for all the good work, but we need a few statements from other people | 03:11 |
| Seveas | is there anywone here who can vouvh for your work? | 03:12 |
| Seveas | vouch* | 03:12 |
| jjesse | Seveas: anyone here, Riddell can as well | 03:12 |
| Seveas | ok, nice | 03:12 |
| Seveas | (ah, you mailed me again -- so much for my impatience :)) | 03:13 |
| jjesse | grin no worries | 03:13 |
| Seveas | Riddell, ping? | 03:13 |
| mdke | Seveas, sure | 03:13 |
| mdke | rob^ and jjesse are both active and vital contributors to the docteam | 03:13 |
| mdke | Seveas, btw are you a CC member now? | 03:14 |
| Seveas | mdke, cool, jjesse has been trying for a while to become a member, but he's almost always unable to attend the meetings | 03:14 |
| Riddell | hmm? | 03:14 |
| Seveas | mdke, no I am not, I just like to reward the contributions of jjesse/rob^ :) | 03:14 |
| Seveas | Riddell, will you be at the CC meeting tonight (22:00 UTC) | 03:15 |
| mdke | ah ok | 03:15 |
| Riddell | sure | 03:15 |
| mdke | it was the "we need" thing that made me think | 03:15 |
| Seveas | sorry for the confusion | 03:15 |
| mdke | anyhow if I am not there, please pass on my recommendation | 03:15 |
| Seveas | I definitely will | 03:15 |
| Seveas | Riddell, thank you for coming tonight | 03:16 |
| jjesse | the meetings are usually when i am traveling home from work :( | 03:16 |
| mdke | Seveas, you are aware that rob^ produced the starter guide basically on his own? | 03:16 |
| mdke | tell em that | 03:16 |
| mdke | jjesse essentially is the only contributor to kde docs right now | 03:17 |
| Seveas | mdke, I know, but he has had problems coming to the meetings too | 03:17 |
| mdke | so they are both definitely good candidates | 03:17 |
| mdke | Seveas, np, just giving you some more ammunition | 03:17 |
| Seveas | :) | 03:17 |
| Seveas | jjesse, make sure you add yourself to the ubuntumembers team on launchpad and that you upload a signed code of conduct | 03:30 |
| mdke | Seveas, well if you're not a CC member, you are certainly the CC enforcer :) | 03:31 |
| Seveas | :) | 03:32 |
| Seveas | I'm a community-oriented guy :) | 03:33 |
| jjesse | Seveas: i have | 03:33 |
| Seveas | ah right, I see now | 03:33 |
| jbailey | mdke: I need another day on the ubuntu-docs repo. =) | 03:43 |
| mdke | jbailey, cool | 03:43 |
| jbailey | mdke: I'd like to do an initial upload to dapper right after. | 03:43 |
| mdke | jbailey, sure, but what about the question of moving to gnome-doc-utils build structure? | 03:44 |
| mdke | we haven't really talked about it yet, and I don't really know what I'm doing... so I'd appreciate your thoughts | 03:45 |
| jbailey | Have we agreed on that? I thought we didn't get that far in the meeting last Friday. | 03:45 |
| mdke | no, we didn't | 03:46 |
| mdke | i meant, I'd appreciate your thoughts on whether it is desirable | 03:46 |
| jbailey | Ah, right! | 03:47 |
| jbailey | I'll have to look at the infrastructure. I had been thinking more along the lines of keeping the repo similar to the installed system. | 03:47 |
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| jbailey | But either should work. If it's not the same, we just need to make entities for each of the paths, and have them change at install time. | 03:47 |
| mdke | well the gnome-doc-utils infrastructure AFAICS is based on the idea of using the same structure as in the installed system | 03:48 |
| jbailey | Sounds lovely. | 03:48 |
| mdke | http://live.gnome.org/GnomeDocUtilsMigrationHowTo | 03:48 |
| jbailey | Will that be adequate for kubuntu and xubuntu? | 03:48 |
| mdke | no no | 03:48 |
| mdke | that would just be for the /gnome subdirectory i think | 03:48 |
| jbailey | Oh. | 03:48 |
| jbailey | That sounds like more work than is probably wanted, but I'll look. =) | 03:49 |
| mdke | but as I say, I don't understand most of that page | 03:49 |
| mdke | on the current structure, the translations are more work than is probably wanted | 03:49 |
| mdke | at least I think | 03:50 |
| mdke | we can try and rely on your scripts I guess | 03:50 |
| mdke | in any case the subdirectories (gnome/kubuntu/xubuntu) are and will be shipping as separate packages afaics, and already have different structures | 03:51 |
| jbailey | Right, but you want to avoid having to install three sets of tools if possible. | 03:51 |
| jbailey | The translations problem can be solved reasonably automatically, I suspect. If just needs to get the same love that other packages with pofiles do. | 03:51 |
| jbailey | Then have langpacks deploy the translations. | 03:52 |
| mdke | ok well you'll have to liase with whoever does the kde packaging then I guess | 03:52 |
| mdke | jbailey, i dunno if it will be that simple, po files are a bit more tricky with documentation I think, but anyhow, we'll do our best | 03:53 |
| mdke | we have some time to nail it | 03:53 |
| jbailey | mdke: Yup. Definetly need pitti's opinion on that side of it. =) | 03:58 |
| mdke | jbailey, i guess you can hammer it out at UBZ? | 03:59 |
| jbailey | mdke: Yes. Although for now I'll try to get uploads in. Part of what I want is to find out how often the pofiles should be imported into rosetta. | 04:01 |
| jbailey | mdke: We don't want the translators doing too much on in-progress documentation that might be completely rewritten underneath them. | 04:02 |
| mdke | yeah | 04:02 |
| mdke | in fact the po files shouldn't go into rosetta until the string freeze | 04:02 |
| judax | mdke: I see you like Newton | 04:09 |
| mdke | yeah :) | 04:10 |
| mdke | where did you see? | 04:10 |
| judax | mailing list | 04:10 |
| mdke | aha | 04:10 |
| judax | newton mailing list | 04:10 |
| mdke | it rocks | 04:12 |
| mdke | we need a standard wiki markup though | 04:12 |
| judax | yeah, standards are great...everybody has one :p | 04:13 |
| mdke | it's a pain to use different ones all the time | 04:13 |
| judax | true | 04:14 |
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| Riddell | hmm, no jjesse | 12:01 |
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