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[12:49] <DouglasBrown> Hi, what is the standard thing to do if two pages exist on the wiki that cover the same ground but need updating? Update both?
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[01:45] <Kinnison> ciao
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[03:22] <bhuvan> anybody out there from wikiteam ?
[03:40] <bhuvan> knock knock .. anybody out there from wikiteam ?
[03:43] <Madpilot> hi bhuvan
[03:43] <bhuvan> hello
[03:43] <Madpilot> what's up?
[03:44] <bhuvan> i've made changes to subversion document, wiki.u.c/SubVersion
[03:44] <bhuvan> it's in CategoryCleanup. can you check and let me move it off to CategoryDocumentation and UserDocumentation ?
[03:45] <Madpilot> I'm reading it now; I've never really used SVN, though - except to get the Ubuntu Docs. 
[03:45] <bhuvan> ok
[03:46] <Madpilot> one minor point: Ubuntu and Linux should always be capitalized
[03:46] <bhuvan> oh, ok
[03:47] <Madpilot> under Installation, you should probably mention which repository SVN is in
[03:47] <Madpilot> Universe, I assume
[03:48] <bhuvan> ok
[03:48] <ajmitch> main
[03:48] <ajmitch> it's too important a tool to have in universe :)
[03:48] <Madpilot> ajmitch: thanks
[03:49] <Madpilot> bhuvan: as it's in Main, you don't even need to mention extra repos - Main is always enabled, AFAIK
[03:50] <bhuvan> repos, i meant here is root directory. under this directory, we can have many projects. under projects, it may contain main, trunk, tags
[03:50] <Madpilot> bhuvan: sorry, I was talking about the Installation section, not the parts about actually using SVN
[03:51] <bhuvan> ok
[03:51] <Madpilot> also there's no real need to mention root access - just sudo. link to RootSudo might be a good idea
[03:51] <bhuvan> oh, ok
[04:02] <bhuvan> Madpilot: any other corrections ?
[04:06] <Madpilot> one more under Installation: if you're giving console commands like apt-get, put them inside a code box
[04:06] <bhuvan> ok
[04:07] <Madpilot> apt-get install subversion 
[04:07] <Madpilot> apt-get install libapache2-svn
[04:07] <Madpilot> gah...
[04:07] <bhuvan> yeah
[04:07] <Madpilot> put {{{ before that and }}} after that
[04:07] <Madpilot> on seperate lines
[04:07] <bhuvan> yeah, i got your point
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[04:46] <whiprush> ah
[04:47] <Burgundavia> salut whiprush 
[04:47] <ajmitch> whiprush!
[04:47] <whiprush> hello corey/aj
[04:47] <ajmitch> what's new on the fridge?
[04:47] <whiprush> Burgundavia: in case I keep missing docteam meetings... please let the guys know that the fridge is ready to showcase their content. :D
[04:48] <whiprush> ajmitch: waiting for jdub to wake up to run a universe tour I did.
[04:48] <Burgundavia> whiprush, ok. The person that really needs to start writing is me, but I have been lazy
[04:48] <ajmitch> ah nice
[04:48] <whiprush> Burgundavia: well then, we're in the same club. :D
[04:48] <ajmitch> last I heard he was in spain
[04:48] <Burgundavia> whiprush, do you support full html entries>?
[04:48] <whiprush> but, if someone does a really kickass wiki page or something, there's no reason why we couldn't do a feature on it.
[04:49] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:49] <whiprush> Burgundavia: ironically, when jdub switches my account to allow full html I lose all editing priviledges.
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[04:49] <whiprush> so he just has to turn it into html in the options.
[04:49] <Burgundavia> hmm, that is odd
[04:49] <whiprush> Burgundavia: well, I've seen some pages that are better than 90% of the existing crap out there, so it's a start
[04:50] <Burgundavia> shall we start showcasing them at one per week?
[04:50] <whiprush> we could.
[04:51] <whiprush> jsgontanco and I talked about it briefly at udu.
[04:51] <Burgundavia> you going to be at UBZ?
[04:51] <whiprush> basically, follow the docteam on whatever scrub mission it's on.
[04:51] <whiprush> going to try to make love day.
[04:51] <Burgundavia> that would be cool
[04:51] <whiprush> yeah, gonna try
[04:51] <whiprush> spent all my money at the gnome summit
[04:52] <whiprush> but jdub is the fridgemeister, so whatever you guys figure out will work.
[04:52] <Burgundavia> luckily I just started a new job, so I have some right now
[04:52] <whiprush> but anyway, if you've got someone coming to you itching to write cool stuff about ubuntu, feel free to send them my way
[04:53] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:53] <Burgundavia> have you talked to the marketing team yet?
[04:53] <whiprush> and we should definately use it as a showcase of good wiki stuff.
[04:53] <whiprush> I'm on the list.
[04:53] <Burgundavia> ok, I am seeing lots of hotair so far
[04:54] <whiprush> well, we all have "cool ideas"
[04:54] <whiprush> it's that dang implementation thing getting in the way. :D
[04:55] <whiprush> Burgundavia: see jane silber at ubz wrt the marketing stuff
[04:55] <whiprush> she's rocking.
[04:55] <Burgundavia> I wish to could do more with marketing
[04:55] <whiprush> don't we all
[04:55] <Burgundavia> but I will not be doing anything with ubuntu marketing for the forseeable future
[04:55] <Burgundavia> due to my current job
[05:00] <Burgundavia> whiprush, I will fire you some wiki pages by tonight
[05:01] <whiprush> ok rocking.
[05:01] <Madpilot> decent wiki pages... I like to think that BasicCommands works
[05:01] <Burgundavia> whiprush, here is an excellent one to begin the process with
[05:01] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands
[05:02] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: great minds run in the same gutters ;)
[05:02] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
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[05:06] <whiprush> Burgundavia: cool dude I'll check those tomorrow
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[10:06] <mdke> Madpilot, if you and corey have any thoughts on that BetterWikiDocs spec, please add em!
[10:06] <rob^> hi mdke 
[10:06] <mdke> hello
[10:09] <mdke> rob^, any luck on fixing those xinclude errors?
[10:10] <rob^> no, I haven't had time to have a look
[10:10] <rob^> picked up extra shifts at work in the last week
[10:10] <mdke> ah
[10:10] <mdke> bummer
[10:10] <Madpilot> mdke: will do; I had a look at it a few days ago, but not recently
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[10:10] <rob^> yeah, considering I don't get paid anymore for em
[10:11] <mdke> Madpilot, we only wrote it yesterday
[10:11] <mdke> and it was mainly inspired by corey's idea so make sure he looks at it
[10:11] <Madpilot> mdke: I guess it was only yesterday I read it, then... it's been a long week already, and it's only (barely) Tuesday here...
[10:12] <mdke> :)
[10:18] <Madpilot> mdke: Corey's signed up on the BetterWikiDocs page already, so he's aware of it
[10:19] <mdke> i signed him up, but yes, I think he is aware of it
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[12:21] <jsgotangco> hey all
[12:21] <ajmitch> hi
[12:26] <mdke> hi
[12:26] <jsgotangco> hey mdke 
[12:26] <jsgotangco> nice spec
[12:27] <mdke> thanks, it's still early days yet
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[12:30] <jsgotangco> heh bug jdub
[12:30] <mdke> its a crying shame
[12:31] <mdke> that the two most fascinating people in the Ubuntu community don't have a voice
[12:31] <jsgotangco> who?
[12:31] <mdke> me and ajmitch 
[12:31] <mdke> you other guys are well boring
[12:31] <jsgotangco> right
[12:31] <mdke> :p
[12:31] <jsgotangco> at least i don't blog about useless stuff
[12:31] <mdke> nice post about the accessibility thing btw
[12:31] <mdke> i did it this morning
[12:32] <jsgotangco> its hard
[12:32] <mdke> (handsfreememail)
[12:32] <mdke> yeah
[12:32] <mdke> especially since gok crashes on me
[12:32] <jsgotangco> im pretty insterested in accessibility lately
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[12:33] <mdke> i was chatting to henrik yesterday about it
[12:33] <mdke> he gave me a few cheats :)
[12:33] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:33] <mdke> he is the only one who can do completely hands free though
[12:33] <jsgotangco> i have been busy lately :(
[12:34] <jsgotangco> after i see completed specs i start working...
[12:34] <mdke> :)
[12:34] <jsgotangco> but for now i focus on adjusting to my new job
[12:35] <jsgotangco> i've been reading a lot on kde docs
[12:36] <jsgotangco> im in a friend's cafe that has been invaded by linspire
[12:36] <jsgotangco> good thing i have a live cd
[12:49] <jsgotangco> mdke, where are the translations in d.u.c?
[12:49] <jsgotangco> i mean help.ubuntu.com
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[01:14] <mdke> jsgotangco, replace C with country code
[01:15] <jsgotangco> mdke, its not linked at all :(
[01:15] <mdke> correct
[01:16] <mdke> henrik suggested during the meeting that we use a wiki page
[01:16] <mdke> so locoteams can do it, and if they move docs to their own server, amend the links
[01:16] <jsgotangco> right...
[01:47] <bhuvan> hello there, i'm unable to edit wiki pages. it reports, auth database is temporarily unavailable.
[01:47] <bhuvan> any maintenance work in progress ?
[01:47] <mdke> yes
[01:47] <bhuvan> the problem is in wiki.u.c ..
[01:47] <bhuvan> ok
[01:47] <mdke> should be about 30 minutes
[01:48] <bhuvan> oh, ok
[01:48] <mdke> btw the auth database is at launchpad.net
[01:48] <bhuvan> ok
[01:48] <jsgotangco> ok brb
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[01:49] <bhuvan> in future, atleast we can set this as a channel message or wiki broadcast message :)
[01:50] <mdke> it was announced on -devel and #launchpad
[01:50] <bhuvan> oh, ok! so, i must join #launchpad :)
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[02:37] <bhuvan> how can we set TOC in moin ?
[02:38] <bhuvan> TOC - table of contents
[02:38] <bhuvan> in mediawiki it's set by default based on head{%d}. how about moin ?
[02:39] <mdke> [[TableOfContents] ] 
[02:39] <mdke> see HelpOnMacros
[02:39] <bhuvan> ok, thankx
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[03:00] <bhuvan> what's the status of rss implementation for RecentChanges page in moin ?
[03:00] <Seveas> rob^, there?
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[03:06] <jjesse> morning :)
[03:10] <Seveas> hi jjesse 
[03:11] <Seveas> thanks for your e-mail
[03:11] <jjesse> morning Seveas 
[03:11] <jjesse> your welcome
[03:11] <Seveas> I'd like to see you and rob^ as members for all the good work, but we need a few statements from other people
[03:12] <Seveas> is there anywone here who can vouvh for your work?
[03:12] <Seveas> vouch*
[03:12] <jjesse> Seveas: anyone here, Riddell  can as well
[03:12] <Seveas> ok, nice
[03:13] <Seveas> (ah, you mailed me again -- so much for my impatience :))
[03:13] <jjesse> grin no worries
[03:13] <Seveas> Riddell, ping?
[03:13] <mdke> Seveas, sure
[03:13] <mdke> rob^ and jjesse are both active and vital contributors to the docteam
[03:14] <mdke> Seveas, btw are you a CC member now?
[03:14] <Seveas> mdke, cool, jjesse has been trying for a while to become a member, but he's almost always unable to attend the meetings
[03:14] <Riddell> hmm?
[03:14] <Seveas> mdke, no I am not, I just like to reward the contributions of jjesse/rob^ :)
[03:15] <Seveas> Riddell, will you be at the CC meeting tonight (22:00 UTC)
[03:15] <mdke> ah ok
[03:15] <Riddell> sure
[03:15] <mdke> it was the "we need" thing that made me think
[03:15] <Seveas> sorry for the confusion
[03:15] <mdke> anyhow if I am not there, please pass on my recommendation
[03:15] <Seveas> I definitely will
[03:16] <Seveas> Riddell, thank you for coming tonight
[03:16] <jjesse> the meetings are usually when i am traveling home from work :(
[03:16] <mdke> Seveas, you are aware that rob^ produced the starter guide basically on his own?
[03:16] <mdke> tell em that
[03:17] <mdke> jjesse essentially is the only contributor to kde docs right now
[03:17] <Seveas> mdke, I know, but he has had problems coming to the meetings too
[03:17] <mdke> so they are both definitely good candidates
[03:17] <mdke> Seveas, np, just giving you some more ammunition
[03:17] <Seveas> :)
[03:30] <Seveas> jjesse, make sure you add yourself to the ubuntumembers team on launchpad and that you upload a signed code of conduct
[03:31] <mdke> Seveas, well if you're not a CC member, you are certainly the CC enforcer :)
[03:32] <Seveas> :)
[03:33] <Seveas> I'm a community-oriented guy :)
[03:33] <jjesse> Seveas: i have
[03:33] <Seveas> ah right, I see now
[03:43] <jbailey> mdke: I need another day on the ubuntu-docs repo. =)
[03:43] <mdke> jbailey, cool
[03:43] <jbailey> mdke: I'd like to do an initial upload to dapper right after.
[03:44] <mdke> jbailey, sure, but what about the question of moving to gnome-doc-utils build structure?
[03:45] <mdke> we haven't really talked about it yet, and I don't really know what I'm doing... so I'd appreciate your thoughts
[03:45] <jbailey> Have we agreed on that?  I thought we didn't get that far in the meeting last Friday.
[03:46] <mdke> no, we didn't
[03:46] <mdke> i meant, I'd appreciate your thoughts on whether it is desirable
[03:47] <jbailey> Ah, right!
[03:47] <jbailey> I'll have to look at the infrastructure.  I had been thinking more along the lines of keeping the repo similar to the installed system.
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[03:47] <jbailey> But either should work.  If it's not the same, we just need to make entities for each of the paths, and have them change at install time.
[03:48] <mdke> well the gnome-doc-utils infrastructure AFAICS is based on the idea of using the same structure as in the installed system
[03:48] <jbailey> Sounds lovely.
[03:48] <mdke> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeDocUtilsMigrationHowTo
[03:48] <jbailey> Will that be adequate for kubuntu and xubuntu?
[03:48] <mdke> no no
[03:48] <mdke> that would just be for the /gnome subdirectory i think
[03:48] <jbailey> Oh.
[03:49] <jbailey> That sounds like more work than is probably wanted, but I'll look. =)
[03:49] <mdke> but as I say, I don't understand most of that page
[03:49] <mdke> on the current structure, the translations are more work than is probably wanted
[03:50] <mdke> at least I think
[03:50] <mdke> we can try and rely on your scripts I guess
[03:51] <mdke> in any case the subdirectories (gnome/kubuntu/xubuntu) are and will be shipping as separate packages afaics, and already have different structures
[03:51] <jbailey> Right, but you want to avoid having to install three sets of tools if possible.
[03:51] <jbailey> The translations problem can be solved reasonably automatically, I suspect.  If just needs to get the same love that other packages with pofiles do.
[03:52] <jbailey> Then have langpacks deploy the translations.
[03:52] <mdke> ok well you'll have to liase with whoever does the kde packaging then I guess
[03:53] <mdke> jbailey, i dunno if it will be that simple, po files are a bit more tricky with documentation I think, but anyhow, we'll do our best
[03:53] <mdke> we have some time to nail it
[03:58] <jbailey> mdke: Yup.  Definetly need pitti's opinion on that side of it. =)
[03:59] <mdke> jbailey, i guess you can hammer it out at UBZ?
[04:01] <jbailey> mdke: Yes.  Although for now I'll try to get uploads in.  Part of what I want is to find out how often the pofiles should be imported into rosetta.
[04:02] <jbailey> mdke: We don't want the translators doing too much on in-progress documentation that might be completely rewritten underneath them.
[04:02] <mdke> yeah
[04:02] <mdke> in fact the po files shouldn't go into rosetta until the string freeze
[04:09] <judax> mdke: I see you like Newton
[04:10] <mdke> yeah :)
[04:10] <mdke> where did you see?
[04:10] <judax> mailing list
[04:10] <mdke> aha
[04:10] <judax> newton mailing list
[04:12] <mdke> it rocks
[04:12] <mdke> we need a standard wiki markup though
[04:13] <judax> yeah, standards are great...everybody has one :p
[04:13] <mdke> it's a pain to use different ones all the time
[04:14] <judax> true
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[12:01] <Riddell> hmm, no jjesse