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KyralNote to self....compress mail archives....12:03
ajmitchKyral: what, don't you want 5GB of mail?12:04
Nafallonote to self: get more harddrives for the server12:04
KyralActually my /home is on a 260 GB partition....12:04
ajmitch du -sch ~/Mail12:04
ajmitch5.1G    /home/ajmitch/Mail12:04
ajmitch5.1G    total12:04
ajmitch*cough*12:04
ajmitchway too much email there12:04
Kyrallol12:04
whiprushman12:04
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whiprushthat's just too much12:05
siretarttiber/revu is now operational with breezy! :)12:05
Kyraleh?12:05
siretartajmitch: you may reconnect now ;)12:05
KyralYah I feel like an idiot12:05
KyralYanno that gtkorphan package? I forgot to check with the original author to see if he planned to submit it to REVU >_<12:06
ajmitchKyral: there are a few bz2 mail folders in there12:06
ajmitchKyral: don't worry, he visits here as well12:06
KyralYah but now I feel like an idiot ;P12:06
KyralOh well no harm no foul12:15
KyralSo who has already dist-upgraded to Dapper? ;P12:15
siretarthrhr12:16
Kyralhrhr?12:16
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NafalloKyral: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/12:18
NafalloKyral: can you see it yet? ;-)12:18
KyralOh ooops ;P12:18
KyralSorry, overeager I guess :D12:18
ajmitchthere's not much to dist-upgrade to yet12:20
Kyralgood point12:20
Kyralwhats the first thing to do anyway....12:20
ajmitchproxy server at work is going out of its way to annoy me today12:21
siretartokay, work for today done. gn8 folks!12:23
Kyralcya12:23
ajmitchbye siretart12:24
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sistpotygn8 folks12:31
KyralJudging by the amount of X Libs being uploaded, I'm thinking X is gonna break again....12:33
ajmitchnah12:33
Nafallohehe12:33
KyralAre we going to XOrg 7 with this one?12:33
ajmitchprobably12:34
KyralNiiiiice12:34
ajmitchonce all the bits are in place12:34
ajmitchwe already have something similar12:34
KyralYah 6.8 right?12:34
ajmitch7.0 is just 6.9 with a modular build tree12:34
ajmitchand we have 6.8+cvs with modular build12:34
KyralYah, I'm looking forward not to have to download a dozen drivers that I don't use12:35
ajmitchdaniels is upstream for a fair bit of the build stuff :)12:35
ajmitchyou don't have to  now12:35
KyralYah....what would happen if I remove one of the driver packs?12:35
ajmitchit should still work12:35
ajmitchit was split for a reason12:35
Kyral(Seeing as I compile the NVidia Module from NVidia due to my custom kernel)\12:35
KyralI still have to get that thing to load on boot....12:36
Nafalloogra: your buildlog thing eats dapper now, right? :-)12:38
ajmitchyay, managed to trim my mutt headers a bit12:39
ograNafallo, what ever lamonts daily.html spits out12:39
ajmitchnow it looks a bit cleaner12:39
Nafallo:-)12:39
ajmitchgnargh12:42
ajmitchneed food12:42
ajmitchoh good12:45
ajmitchDebianPatchFeeding12:45
Nafalloajmitch: ?12:45
ajmitchmuch needed spec :P12:45
ajmitchlooks like the page is on the BOF list12:45
ajmitchbut dilinger hasn't finished writing the page12:46
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crimsunI'm working on lincvs12:54
Nafallolol12:54
Nafallowhy? as if daniels is finished with the buildds yet? ;-)12:54
ajmitchwe need to get our fix12:55
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schweebhooray for dapper01:11
schweebany motu work to be done yet?01:11
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crimsunschweeb: I've started troughing through the rest of unmetdeps01:12
crimsun(preferring syncs at this point)01:13
schweebI've got a bit more time to help this time around01:13
schweebI need to figureo out whether mako actually marked me as a member or not :P01:18
schweeb*figure01:18
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MirnoHi01:20
Mirnosiretart: ping01:20
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tsengschweeb is a member at large01:37
LaserJockso, is dapper open? I got a bunch of emails from dapper-changes01:39
NafalloLaserJock: yes :-)01:40
Nafallobut I can't see it at archive.ubuntu.com :-/01:40
LaserJockdid they just transfer subscriptions from breezy-changes ? I don't remember signing up for dapper-changes01:41
Nafalloyes :-)01:41
LaserJockwho is Daniel Stone?01:42
Nafallodaniels?01:43
LaserJockoh, doh01:43
Nafallo:-P01:43
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Nafallois it just me or do we have an FTBFS'r'us in dapper? ;-)01:56
ajmitchNafallo: that's the plan01:56
Nafallo:-)01:57
Nafalloso, where to start? :-P01:57
ajmitchjust dive in01:57
ajmitchhopefully autosyncs start flooding soon01:57
ajmitchso far I've only seen manual uploads01:58
Nafalloehm, that's what FTBFS, no?01:58
ajmitchhm?01:59
Nafallojust can't see them announced?01:59
ajmitchI don't see many FTBFS of recent uploads01:59
ajmitchI see a lot of FTBFS of stuff currently in the archive that's still broken02:00
Nafallowhat's all the stuff like motor and xprint then?02:00
ajmitch    motor |  2:3.4.0-3 | http://10.18.1.1 breezy/universe Packages02:00
ajmitch     motor |  2:3.4.0-3 | http://10.18.1.1 breezy/universe Sources02:00
ajmitch*cough*02:00
ajmitchthat's not an autosync02:00
ajmitchthat's just the buildds having everything given back02:00
Nafallohmm, oki :-P02:01
Nafallowhy? to get breezy built for dapper?02:02
ajmitchbecause it's a reasonably automated process once the buildds are turned back on?02:02
Nafallohmm, that probably means that I should stop looking :-)02:04
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sivanggood night all02:08
sivangalreayd past my timezone :)02:08
Nafallognight sivang :-)02:08
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bddebianHeya gang02:46
ajmitchbddebian: why haven't you started uploading yet?!?02:46
tsenghaha02:47
tsengyes02:47
=== Kyral falls
tsengfix universe harder02:47
bddebianajmitch: Because I suck? :-)02:47
KyralCompiling VLC from Sid is harder than I thought02:47
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Fuji-sanhello02:51
Fuji-sanam i welcome here02:51
Fuji-sanno dutch people i hope :/02:51
bddebianEveryone is welcome here.. Except trolls of course :-)02:51
Kyralyah02:51
Fuji-sanhaha02:51
bddebianAnd maybe us Americans ;-P02:52
KyralGo go Dapper!02:52
Fuji-sani make alot of bad jokes but i'm not a troll02:52
KyralI hope my homebrew VLC backport works....02:52
Fuji-san:-)02:52
Fuji-sani loive ubuntu :)02:52
Kyralappending the ~ string to a version will allow any other official Ubuntu package to overwrite it?02:52
Fuji-sanoh shit JanC and Seveas are here :/02:53
Fuji-santhe dutch are everywhere .. ':((02:53
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SeveasFuji-san, stop making a fool of yourself in every ubuntu channel please02:53
KyralYou have any clue oh Most High MOTU?02:53
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bddebianKyral: ?02:54
Fuji-sanok Sepheebear02:54
Fuji-sanok Seveas***02:54
tsengif you dont bump the version02:54
Kyralbddebian, I meant why Fuji-san is afraid of the dutch02:54
bddebianKyral: I've never seen ~ in a version02:54
bddebianKyral: Oh :-)02:54
tsengthe same numbered version will overwrite it from the archive02:54
KyralThe Backports use it02:54
tsengvs a local dpkg install02:54
Fuji-sanbecause i'm half chinese and china is taking alot of their jobs :)02:54
Kyralthat way it doesn't screw up02:54
Kyralie, <version>~ubp102:55
tsengim not sure what macro-economics has to do with motu02:55
Fuji-sannothing tseng02:55
tsengits not railroad-era california02:56
Fuji-sanyou also chinese tseng?02:56
tsengno.02:56
Fuji-sanok02:56
ajmitchFuji-san: it's rather irrelevant here02:56
Fuji-sani know02:56
Fuji-sani stopped02:56
Fuji-sandont worry02:56
KyralSo02:58
KyralHow long until the current REVU queue is empty of VALID packages (I know two of mine aren't ;) )02:58
ajmitchKyral: how long is a piece of string?02:59
Kyralhow long did you cut it ;P02:59
ajmitchremember that it's MOTU time that's needed02:59
tsengthats a good question02:59
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Kyraland I was just trying to change the topic of convo with that question ;P02:59
Fuji-sani'm a kiwi btw03:00
Fuji-san;)03:00
KyralYou're a fruit?03:00
ajmitchno, he's being silly03:01
bddebianhehe03:01
KyralAw screw VLC for now03:01
KyralI'll wait until the source packages for Dapper are done being uploaded03:01
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KyralXine and Totem can take up the slack03:01
ajmitchbddebian: merge bugs will start to get filed when autosyncs start03:02
ajmitchbddebian: so please, be patient03:02
Kyralwhats an autosync?03:02
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ajmitchKyral: an automatic sync from debian03:02
Kyralah03:02
Kyralso from Sid to Dapper in this case?03:02
bddebianajmitch: :-)03:03
ajmitchKyral: yes03:03
Fuji-sanajmitch :-))03:03
tsengi am enjoying introdeveloperdocs03:03
bddebianajmitch: I'm outta commish for a week or two anyway probably :-(03:03
Kyralhehe03:03
KyralI'm just blindly doing whatever :D03:03
ajmitchbddebian: I'll be away for ~3 weeks03:03
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Nafallobddebian AND ajmitch gone? :-P03:05
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Kyralso nothing really to do until the autosyncs?03:05
bddebianNafallo: Yeah so you folks should actually be able to get something done.. ;-P03:05
Nafallobddebian: ;-)03:05
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ajmitchNafallo: I'll be gone at UBZ03:05
schweebstupid server HD crashed :(03:05
KyralI;ll be there on Sunday D:03:06
Nafalloajmitch: wouldn't you be gone after that aswell03:06
Nafallo?03:06
ajmitchNafallo: yes, I03:06
ajmitchI'm gone until the 17th03:06
Nafallohopefully I can be active merging.03:06
KyralDon't worry I'll be here! *Waits for laughter*03:06
ajmitchNafallo: yeah, I wish I could say the same03:07
ajmitchI'll be onlin until the 9th or 10th03:07
ajmitchso I can be uploading from UBZ03:07
Nafalloseems I'll be getting a practical place somewhere so I have no idea about computertime in the near future.03:08
schweebajmitch: I blame my HD crash on you03:12
schweebajmitch: or maybe tseng03:12
ajmitchschweeb: feel free03:12
ajmitchschweeb: I care about >< that much03:12
ajmitch;)03:12
Fuji-san;)03:12
Fuji-sani like you ajmitch03:13
Fuji-san:)03:13
schweebno one likes ajmitch03:13
tsengschweeb: blar03:13
tsengschweeb: you are a member at large03:13
ajmitchschweeb: you're right03:13
tsengyou arent even allowed in here03:13
schweebtseng: I'm back03:13
schweebI had a lot of work to do03:13
tsengi heard that before03:13
tsengbusy moving tapes?03:13
bddebianheh03:13
schweebI don't even have tapes anymore, bitch03:13
schweebI have CDLs03:14
tsengarent you fancy03:14
schweebthey cost more than you're worth :p03:14
tsengi have something here for you03:14
whiprushm|m?03:14
tsengyep03:14
schweebhrm?03:14
ajmitchheh03:15
whiprushhas anyone seen mez lately?03:15
bddebianNot recently03:15
ajmitchnope03:15
whiprushhmmm03:15
schweebwhiprush: I pretty much lost all my server's data :(03:15
ajmitchwe'll see him in a few days at UBZ03:15
whiprushhe's going to ubz right/03:15
ajmitchyes, he will be there03:15
whiprushschweeb: yeah i heard. sucks dude.03:15
tsengi cant find the damn picture03:17
tsengin ubuntu tags03:17
ajmitchtseng: a shame03:17
schweeboh03:17
whiprushit's under udu tseng03:17
schweebthe ajmitch is a dirty slut picture03:18
ajmitchschweeb: yes, that picture03:18
whiprushthe tag, is udu03:18
ajmitchhah03:18
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Fuji-sanAJMITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!03:18
schweebI would use a word other than slut, but it's probably more against the CoC than slut03:18
Fuji-sanFRIEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!03:18
Fuji-san:P03:18
tsengoh first one too03:18
tsengschweeb: http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13477862/ HAVE SOME OF THAT03:18
ajmitchFuji-san: please, stop being annoying03:18
ajmitchone channel is bad enough, let alone two03:18
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tsengtook me long enough03:19
tsengdamn dude03:19
schweebtseng: yes, you're becoming more useless in your old age03:19
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zakamehello all :D03:19
ajmitchhi zaj03:19
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ajmitchoops03:19
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ajmitchhi zakame03:19
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ajmitchthanks tseng03:19
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tsengoh03:20
tsengautojoin03:20
ajmitcheasy enough to deal with03:20
wonthappenagain:(((03:20
zakamehehe, I thought today was the CC meeting :))03:20
ajmitchnot that I heard03:20
ajmitchbut I've been out of touch with meetings03:20
wonthappenagainpitty me i'm a moron who just wants to make friends :((03:20
tsengfix your nick and quit screwing around, please.03:21
wonthappenagainok03:21
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tsenghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13477834/in/photostream/03:21
tsengi forget who was boning luis?03:22
tsengoh, him03:22
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crimsunoh dear, not in -devel03:23
schweebjesus03:23
zakamehmmm, dapper's now accessible via apt...03:24
ajmitchgreat03:24
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tsengoh screw your irssi03:24
schweebs/your/you03:25
whiprushtry /kickban?03:25
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tsengyes03:25
whiprush(bob2 rocks, not a shred of mercy in that man)03:25
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tsenghows that03:25
seth_kouch03:25
ajmitchwhiprush: #ubuntu beat out all his mercy03:25
bddebianBetter :)03:25
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schweebajmitch: as it would anyone03:25
zakameis he g4g?03:25
Nafalloehm, isn't that last ban the whole isp? :-P03:30
ajmitchNafallo: oh well03:30
ajmitchI'm glad I'm not on that ISP then03:30
Nafalloindeed03:31
Mirno*!*@*.upc-d.chello.nl <- OMG .. yeah the whole isp ...03:32
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zakamehaha03:32
tsengi wasnt feeling very generous03:33
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tsengthats sort of easy to get around03:34
tsengoh well.03:34
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tsengfor the ones that never sleep..03:35
tsengwho is bhuvan btw03:35
bhuvan:)03:36
bhuvanits me, Bhuvaneswaran03:36
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bhuvan?03:36
tsengi dont recall meeting you, so hi03:37
bhuvanyeah, we didn't!03:37
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tsengwhat else is horked03:40
crimsuncrap, now he's in kubuntu03:41
tsengsigh03:41
ajmitchcrimsun: sounds like he's asking for a k-line03:41
schweebwhat an utter douchebag03:42
Seveashe's been banned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-nl too03:42
ajmitchand all our work stops because of some irc trolls03:43
ajmitchfun03:43
bddebianBunch of meanies ;-)03:43
ajmitchbddebian: yes, we are03:43
zakamehaha03:44
zakameand the one to bake our noodle's if he's in the wiki too :))03:44
ajmitchzakame: don't suggest such things03:44
zakameajmitch: sorry :((03:45
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ajmitchnow I guess I need to make my scripts more generic to handle both dapper & breezy05:23
schweebwhat scripts?05:26
ajmitchevil motu stuff05:29
bddebianheh05:30
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Yagisanajmitch: ping05:36
ajmitchpong05:37
ajmitchYagisan: what's up?05:37
Yagisanajmitch: you attending the #ubuntu-hardened meeting ?05:37
ajmitchyes05:37
ajmitchyou won't be, I take it?05:37
Yagisanajmitch: I won't be able to make it :(05:38
ajmitchnot at that hour05:38
ajmitchwhat issues do you want raised?05:38
ajmitchit's mainly talking about stuff to take to UBZ05:38
Yagisanajmitch: actually - I just wanted to see if you could get me a copy of the logs05:38
ajmitchoh that's not a problem05:39
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ajmitchfairly trivial05:39
Yagisanajmitch: thanks - I'm having some freenode issues - takes a while to get on05:40
bmontyhey all05:48
bddebianHeya bmonty05:48
bmontylooks like I can start giving you guys debdiffs again :)05:48
bddebian:-)05:49
Nafallois mom started aswell? :-)05:50
bmontyNafallo: hold on, let me wake her up and ask her :P05:51
bddebianheh05:51
Nafallo:-P05:52
Nafalloanyone else getting mail? ;-)05:52
ajmitchNafallo: mail for..?05:52
Nafallofrom katie :-)05:52
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Nafallo20/min or so ;-)05:53
ajmitchI guess there's a bit of a lag between being subscribed & mail coming through05:53
bmontyNafallo: I had 88 messages for dapper-changes05:54
ajmitchbmonty: ubuntu-changes-auto05:55
Nafallo649 and counting :-)05:56
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Yagisandoes sharing a ccache between amd64 and i386 cause any issues ?05:58
YagisanNafallo: I worked out how to get distcc into the pbuilder as well05:58
ajmitchYagisan: it might05:58
ajmitchYagisan: but the object files will be completely different05:58
Yagisanajmitch: ok - I'll keep them separate then05:59
Nafallonice :-)05:59
YagisanNafallo: I'll send you the pbuilderrc after I finish a few more tests so you can see how I did it06:00
bmontyYagisan: doesn't distcc pick the appropriate crosscompiler as required?06:01
YagisanNafallo: then maybe someone more proficient with the wiki can update the pbuilder howto06:01
bmontyYagisan: I06:01
NafalloYagisan: sure :-)06:01
bmontyer...I'd like to see you pbuilderrc also please06:01
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ajmitchbbiab06:02
Nafallolol06:02
Yagisanbmonty: sure, I'll send it to you too. I don't think distcc picks cross compliers though (I only have 1 amd64, and a few slow i386 to test with)06:02
Nafallo666 new mails in ubuntu-auto-changes :-P06:03
bmontyYagisan: thanks06:04
bmontyI only have i386s so I have never had occasion to test, but I thought I remebered reading about crosscompilers in the docs06:04
Nafalloajmitch: will mom file the bugs at malone now?06:05
bmontygoodnight all!06:07
Nafallobmonty: gnight :-)06:07
bddebianGnight bmonty06:08
YagisanGood night bmonty06:08
NafalloSeveas: those cloaks, are they for members or just motu?06:12
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ajmitchNafallo: why ask me? I'm just a lowly MOTU :)06:29
Nafalloajmitch: cause you know everything? :-)06:30
ajmitchhaha06:31
ajmitchnah, that's bddebian06:31
Nafallohihi06:32
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bddebianNah, I don't know shit :-)06:33
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ajmitchbddebian: rubbish, you know all06:33
Yagisanisn't there a bbdebian is a god page on the wiki ?06:39
ajmitchyep06:39
Yagisansee, what more proof is needed :)06:40
ajmitchexactly06:40
bddebianBah \sh is just on crack :-)06:41
ajmitchwell yeah06:41
ajmitchbut you're still the one & only bddebian06:41
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bddebianHeh.  I REALLY do want to change my nick.  I'm thinking maybe bddumbass? ;-P06:42
ajmitchbdubuntu06:42
crimsunwell, now that you've done the "aka bddebian" in your -devel posts, you're stuck06:42
ajmitchmaybe bdsm would be more appropriate for you ;)06:42
bddebianajmitch: :)06:43
Yagisan:( distcc is distributing jobs06:44
Yagisans/is/isn't06:44
Nafallo*sigh* libg :-P06:46
ajmitchhaha06:46
LaserJockhas anybody been to MOTUTodo lately?07:01
bddebianNope :'-(07:02
ajmitchLaserJock: can't say I have07:02
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=== mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o tritium] by ChanServ
tritiumyikes07:03
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bddebianHeya tritium07:03
tritiumhey bddebian07:03
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ajmitchhi tritium07:03
tritiumhi ajmitch07:03
tritiumWhat are you guys doing up so late?07:04
ajmitchlate?07:04
ajmitchit's 6pm!07:04
tritiumheh07:04
tritium11 pm here07:04
Nafallo7am :-)07:04
ajmitchNafallo: you're just nuts07:04
tritiumwow, Nafallo07:04
dredg10pm. feels like 1am07:04
bddebian1am here.. Working :-(07:05
Nafalloshhh. I'm watching syslog recieve mail ;-). it's great fun :-).07:05
ajmitchNafallo: you enjoy watching the changes roll in?07:05
tritiumbddebian: your employer is cruel07:05
bddebianHeh07:05
dredgbddebian: eugh07:05
LaserJocktritium: you're in Mountain time?07:05
Nafallofrom time to time I get to update to :-)07:05
tritiumLaserJock: yes, I am.07:05
dredgthat siad, i'm logged into work over vpn07:06
tritiumLaserJock: you're in Nevada, aren't you?07:06
LaserJocktritium: yes07:06
LaserJockI'm Pacific07:06
LaserJockwould've thought you would have been too07:06
tritiumI recall talking with you previously07:06
tritiumNo, I'm in Albuquerque07:06
tritiumToo far from the coast, in the middle of the desert/mountains07:07
dredgand aw crap, everything's closed at 10m round here07:07
dredgpm*07:07
dredgscrew getting food07:07
=== tritium just read the latest MOTU meeting irclog
Yagisandredg: over here everything shuts by 6pm :( :'(07:08
dredgYagisan: wow that sucks07:08
dredgYagisan: i found out here that even fast food places close before the pub does07:09
dredgit's...odd07:09
ajmitchtritium: yeah yeah, I'm a slacker07:09
tritiumajmitch: no, I wasn't trying to imply that07:09
bddebiantritium: Yeah, he is a slacker ;-P07:10
tritiumI do agree with LaserJock's points07:10
ajmitchsee, even bddebian agrees with me07:10
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bddebianErr ajmitch even07:10
ajmitch:P07:10
tritiumnah, ajmitch rocks07:11
ajmitchnah07:11
ajmitchI suck07:11
Yagisandredg: it truly does. after 6, the only place to get food is the vending machine at the train station07:11
tritiumdarnit, now I'm getting hungry07:12
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dredgtritium: why's that?07:13
tritiumOh, it just sucks.  Long story.07:13
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dredghow useful would one of those be?07:14
tritiumthere is one ;)07:14
dredgis there?07:14
ajmitchyes07:14
ajmitchit's called #ubuntu-mono07:14
ajmitchwe're rarely on-topic here07:14
Nafallothere is two :-) (counting this one)07:14
tritiumyeah, but I don't enjoy it at all07:14
Yagisancan I pass makeflags to .debs ? it seems that distcc IS working, but 1 job at a time to local host.07:14
Nafallothen three :-)07:14
LaserJockI thought that this channel was for off-topic ;-)07:15
YagisanI think a blanket -j4 would get a nice test going07:15
dredgtritium: (http://www.google.com/jobs/index.html)07:16
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tritiumyeah, no kidding07:16
tritiumPart of the long story is that I owe 3 years of my life to my current employer07:17
=== ajmitch would rather work for canonical :)
dredg:)07:17
=== Yagisan is happy being the boss
dredgfwiw, i can shove a cv or resume over the queuing process straight to a recruiter. but really, </whoring>07:18
Yagisandredg: In my experience, recruiters aren't there to get you a job, they are there to keep they vacancy open as long as they can07:19
tritiumdredg: :)07:19
Yagisanso they can charge more money for "filling" it07:19
tritiumdredg: you work at google?07:19
dredgYagisan: right. in this case the recruiter works for google and their job is to hire more staff07:19
dredgtritium: yes07:20
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tritiumdredg: I'm not a computer type, anyway07:21
Yagisanis MAKEOPTS a gentoo only flag ?07:22
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dredgtritium: no way. know what dept?07:23
tritiumdredg: all I know is that he worked on the google toolbar for mozilla07:24
dredgah, software eng. most likely i've never come in contact with him07:24
tritiumWhat do you do?07:25
dredgsysop07:25
tritiumcool07:25
dredgit's ok. i'm over here on training and my internal clock has had a meltdown07:26
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Nafallohmm07:31
Nafallochanges-auto stopped at libx?07:32
ajmitchlooks like it07:32
ajmitchlast one I have is  libxml-xerces-perl07:32
Nafallothat means everything after libx is ubuntuX? ;-)07:32
ajmitchhah07:32
ajmitchno, it means that the syncs are done in batches07:33
Nafallobaah07:34
NafalloI almost had a laugh :-P07:34
bddebianGnight gang07:35
ajmitchnight bddebian07:35
Nafallohehe 7:35 :-P07:35
tritiumgood night, bddebian07:35
tritiumI should get some sleep too07:36
tritiumgood night, gang07:37
dredgnight07:37
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ivokshello07:41
ivokscrimsun: ping07:41
ivoksajmitch: ping :)07:41
ajmitchivoks: pong07:42
ivoksajmitch: could we push libcvs to breezy-updates?07:42
ivoksit can't be installed in breezy07:42
ivoksand needs only rebuild07:42
ajmitchyou have to ask mdz07:43
ajmitchhe needs to manually approve each -updates debdiff07:43
ivoksok07:43
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pefhello08:30
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frans-thhi all09:10
frans-thi want to participate with ubuntu branding derivative project for drake09:10
frans-thcan help09:11
frans-thhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrandingForDerivatives09:11
ajmitchbest to ask in #ubuntu-devel then09:13
ajmitchwe just handle universe09:14
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zakamewb dholbach09:29
dholbachmorning09:29
dholbachhey zakame :)09:29
hubnight all09:30
ajmitchhi dholbach09:30
dholbachsleep tight, hub09:30
hubdholbach: when do you arrive in Montreal?09:30
zakameafternoon here :)09:30
dholbachhub: ermmmmm, 29. 12:00 am or something09:30
hubdholbach: ah ok. so ne pre-conf :-)09:30
hubs/ne/no/09:31
hubc-ya later all09:31
dholbachbyebye hub :)09:31
ajmitchdholbach: ah, I'll be there at about 7am that morning :)09:31
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\shok..something changed in upload handling?10:12
sivangmorning all10:13
ajmitch\sh: no?10:14
ajmitch\sh: we're still on boring old katie10:14
crimsunslomo: ping. Are we still moving forward with the ffmpeg migration to marillat's, or shall we ask for xvidcore (source) and libpostproc-dev (binary from ffmpeg) to be promoted to universe?10:18
Lathiathrm weird ive got this usb card reader but when i wrote stuff to it, its there unthen disappears10:21
Lathiatweird10:21
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syouthhi10:49
syouthare motu's like package maintainers and if i want to contribute some package to ubuntu main tree, i must be one?10:51
dholbachsyouth: MOTUs take care of Universe10:51
dholbach"masters of the universe"10:51
syouthok10:51
dholbachbut they are the entry point for ubuntu development10:51
syouthI describe what I would like to do. I had some cool fortune-mods under Gentoo, that were installed with portage. I would like to contribute those missing fortunes to Ubuntu too. What are my choices here?10:53
dholbachhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseNewPackagesPolicy are interesting reads for that10:53
_Tonio_hi everyone10:55
syouthOk, thanks. That's what I needed.10:55
siretarthi folks10:56
_Tonio_does anyone has a good knowledge of scons ?10:57
dholbachhi _Tonio_, siretart10:57
siretarthuhu dholbach!10:57
_Tonio_I'm trying to package codeine, but when the log file seems nice, the deb is empty of any lib or binary...10:57
_Tonio_hi dholbach10:57
syouthdholbach: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseNewPackagesPolicy does not exist.10:58
dholbacherm10:58
dholbachMOTUNewPackagesPolicy maybe10:58
syouthyeah10:59
siretartcrimsun: that is a very good question. I think slomo has done some research/overview about ffmpeg and xvidcore11:00
_Tonio_hi siretart11:00
siretartcrimsun: I'd really like to hear his opinion on this11:00
siretarthi _Tonio_!11:00
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siretarthi SloMoSnail!11:01
_Tonio_hi SloMoSnail11:01
SloMoSnailhi siretart and _Tonio_ and the rest ;)11:01
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crimsunjanimo: I uploaded a newer exo snapshot from Benny's repo yesterday that works with Thunar. Shall we have Thunar in Dapper?12:24
ajmitchmight as well upload it12:24
ajmitchgive people a choice :)12:24
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janimocrimsun, I think so12:25
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janimoprobably 4.4 will be ready by dapper12:25
janimooh so dapper is opened already?12:25
ajmitchjanimo: by UVF?12:25
ajmitchyes12:25
=== zyga needs to cut the number of channels a bit :/
ajmitchwe've got about 1500 packages uploaded already12:25
janimoajmitch, hopefully xfce stuff will get same treatement as kde and gnome12:25
ajmitchabout 1200 of that is autosyncs12:25
janimoso beyond UVF12:25
ajmitchjanimo: good luck getting an exception12:25
janimoajmitch :)12:26
janimowell we synced xfce stuff after UVF in breezy too since it is universe12:26
ajmitchyes12:26
janimoso I think it will be ok\12:26
ajmitchyou got exceptions for all that, right?12:26
ajmitchbecause for universe we had a UVF policy12:27
ajmitchand we'll be stricter on it for dapper12:27
janimoit was universe stuff so were not quite exceptions12:27
janimoasked elmo and he synced12:27
ajmitchwe still had the policy12:27
janimoI know dapper will be stricter12:27
ajmitchseems that most of the MOTUs chose to ignore it though12:27
janimoWe'll see what we can do12:27
ajmitchprobably with good reason12:27
janimohave a nice day all, I gotta go now12:29
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pefwhat sould I provide when syncing a package from debian ? using REVU as for new packages ?12:43
crimsunautosync has been running for some time, pef12:43
dholbacha sync? or a merge?12:43
\shsiretart: can we use trac for tracking syncs for the moment?12:43
\shsiretart: or merges?12:44
dholbachdon't we have bugzilla for merges?12:44
dholbachonce mom is active?12:44
ajmitchwe hope so12:44
pefdholbach: sync I think, Debian 's version of kcheckgmail is newer than dapper's version12:44
dholbachthen we don't need to track merges at two places12:44
\shdholbach: well...if you see that a merge is not necessary, and you can elmo sync a debian package...12:44
dholbachthen you can state that in the bug report :)12:45
\shpef: kcheckgmail is an ubuntu package?12:45
ajmitchdholbach: having 2+ places to track merges is less than efficient :)12:45
dholbachand mark it pendingupload or something12:45
pef\sh: yes12:45
dholbachpef: it's a version, we changed? then we need to merge the changes to it12:45
\shpef: and the ubuntu changes are not vital for kcheckgmail?12:45
dholbachpef: or at least check, if we can just get debian's package, which would be cool12:45
pefdholbach: latest debian's package include last upstream version and is functionnal12:46
dholbachdoes it have all our "impreovements"? :)12:47
pefdholbach: like updated desktop file and things like this ?12:47
dholbachyeah, everything12:48
pefdholbach: I done this for breezy, but since breezy is closed everything not critical isn't accepted in to breezy-updates. I can do all modifications to debian's version12:48
dholbachyeah, then we get it in for dapper12:49
dholbachdapper is open12:49
pefdholbach: so I should provide a debdiff against latest debian's version ?12:50
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dholbachor upload your version to revu, yes12:50
pefdholbach: someone here told me to get as close as possible to debian's version, so a debdif is better than a new upload12:51
dholbacherm12:51
dholbachif we want to upload something to the archive, we can't upload a debdiff, that's why i said it :)12:52
_Tonio_dholbach: can we still upload to revu ?12:52
=== crimsun dances. Fixed vlc.
dholbachof course12:52
dholbachcrimsun: YAY12:52
dholbach:)12:52
Kyralcrimsun you rock12:52
ajmitchcrimsun: good work12:53
pefdholbach: and who can I contact to get a fixed version uploaded into breezy-updates ? without the fix the programm is unusable12:53
crimsunsigh, now to wait til everything's available in Dapper :-)12:53
=== ajmitch wouldn't mind a *working* dapper pbuilder
ajmitchinstead of 404 errors all over12:54
Kyralexcept VLC is still busted here12:55
ajmitchKyral: be patient!12:55
tsengyes12:55
tsenghe beamed the fix directly to your pc12:55
Kyraloh didn't get uploaded12:55
tsengover the mind-web12:55
crimsunI can't upload vlc till all all the b-ds are available12:55
KyralDude I just woke up gimme some slack ;P12:55
ajmitchthe buildd has > 2000 packages to build :P12:55
crimsunexactly12:56
KyralNo caffine in the system yet ;P12:56
tseng< 7am, caffeine, 012:56
tsengyes.12:56
\shBetreff: sip4-qt3_4.3-1ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED12:56
\shDatum: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:55:05 +0100 (BST)  (12:55 CEST)12:56
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\shmy first MAIN upload for dapper *yay*12:57
ajmitch\sh: yay breakage12:57
ajmitch\sh: yay breakage12:57
tsengbtw i dont see any autosync action12:57
syouthIs this HOW-TO correct if I replace hoary with breezy ?12:57
ajmitchlucky you12:57
syouthhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto12:57
ajmitchtseng: ubuntu-changes-auto12:57
tsengthat people keep talking about12:57
tsengajmitch: sigh..12:57
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Kyral8 AM Class, means I need to get up at 6:45 to get breakfast12:57
=== ajmitch would like to do main uploads too
dholbachpef: get the version up on REVU (the complete one) and nag people to upload it12:58
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pefdholbach: already wrote a debdiff https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/kcheckgmail/+bug/201801:01
dholbachpef: super01:01
pefdholbach: but I think motu are very busy with dapper :] 01:02
dholbachpef: we'll manage01:02
dholbach:)01:02
peferf :)01:02
pefdholbach: for next TB meeting, to apply as a MOTU, I just have to add myself here https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev/+members ?01:03
Lathiati think for 'motu' too01:05
Lathiatpef: you also need to turn up01:05
pefLathiat: sorry ?01:06
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crimsun(show up at the TB meeting)01:06
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StrikeForceIs the universe candidates uptodate01:07
StrikeForceor have people already done the packages and haven't updated the wiki page?01:07
dholbachStrikeForce: people should have updated it01:07
StrikeForceyup01:08
dholbach(sometimes they might not have been aware of it)01:08
StrikeForcekk01:08
syouthI need to get my key signed if I want to register as an uploader ( according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU ). Who must sign my key? Someone inside Ubuntu team?01:08
StrikeForceI'm still waiting for someone to REVU rufus :(01:08
dholbachsyouth: somebody in the closely connected set01:08
syouthGet Your Key Signed:  Locate someone that lives near you and can meet with you to verify your id. I've used [WWW]  http://www.biglumber.com/01:08
siretartsyouth: we don't require signed keys for revu01:08
syouthsiretart: Oh. Ok then.01:08
pefcrimsun: oh, of course :)01:08
siretartsyouth: but you should try to get your key signed anyway. You'll need that for membership anyway01:09
syouthOk.01:09
syouthDoes someone inside Debian team with signed GPG key counts?01:09
dholbachsure01:09
siretartof course!01:09
syouthI think he's not developer or something, but a long time user and such01:09
syouthAs I understand I need someone with signed key to sign me to get accepted to the web of signed keys. Is it something like that?01:10
dholbachyes01:11
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pefLathiat: cannot apply to MOTU team:  MOTU is a restricted team. Only a team administrator can add new members. but I can apply to ubuntu-dev membership01:13
Lathiatyeh someone will add you to motu i think01:13
syouthSo I have to find someone in my local area, who has that signed key.01:13
syouthIt's a bit confusing01:14
syouth:)01:14
ajmitchpef: motu team is just for bug assignment, really01:16
pefohh ok01:17
ajmitchubuntu-dev will be for uploading01:18
pefajmitch: to be a motu you must be a ubuntu-dev member, right ?01:19
ajmitchyes01:19
ograajmitch, not only for bug assigning ... also for feeling like a part of it :p01:19
ajmitchthat's what will control uploading01:19
ajmitchogra: oh sure :P01:19
ogra*g*01:20
ajmitchogra: isn't the fame & the glory enough?01:20
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ograsure... but thats like your "MOTU passport" :)01:20
syouthsiretart: But when I want to get membership, I need someone inside Ubuntu to sign my key?01:20
ajmitchsyouth: someone in the strong set, not necessarily in ubuntu01:21
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ograsyouth, get his/her key id and check if there is *any* connection via the trustpath to someone in the strong set: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?STAT=A2D06936&STATS=statistics01:22
ograthat will suffice01:22
crimsunback this afternoon (8h), cya folks.01:23
syouthogra: big thanks, I will investigate :)01:24
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syouthIf i want to know my own fingerprint, then: gpg --fingerprint shows that?01:32
ograyup01:33
Treenakssyouth: gpg --fingerprint your_keyid01:33
syouthWhich is my key_id?01:34
Treenakssyouth: you know your key id right?01:34
dholbachjust    gpg --fingerprint <your mail adress>01:35
syouthSorry for n00b questions...01:35
Treenakssyouth: otherwise, try your email address01:35
syouthI have key, yes.01:35
dholbachthe thing after 1024D will be your keyaddress01:35
Treenaksor 2048D or whatever01:35
syouthok01:35
Treenaks1024D/[8 numbers/letters] 01:35
ograthe thing after "pub" :)01:35
Treenaksthose 8 numbers/letters = your key ID01:35
syouthThanks:)01:35
syouthOh. Seems like I have old pgp keys in pgp.mit.edu .. Can I erase them, because I don't use them. I created them in some practial exercises at school.01:37
Treenaksno01:37
Treenaksor at least, not afaik01:37
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JanCif you still have those keys you can invalidate them01:47
JanC('revoke' them)01:49
Nafalloalways make revocation certificats to store in safe places...01:49
NafalloI've learnt that now ;-)01:50
syouthI think we don't have anyone in Estonia in strong set:P01:50
syouthIt was local gurus thought.01:51
syouthOr can you recall any developer from Estonia for example?01:51
JanCestonia = .ee, right?01:54
syouthYeah.01:54
ajmitchgreat, we have a pqm deb now to control write access by email to baz & bzr branches :)01:55
ajmitchyay, pqm broken due to dodgy make dist in upstream ;)01:57
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syouthSo much for membership, but random movie suggestion for those who like scizofrenic and underground stuff from Japan - "Tetsuo" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096251/ :)02:03
ajmitchyay for autotools braindamage02:05
JanCsyouth: I found a debian developer in latvia, I don't know if that's a possibility?02:11
syouthThis is a slim possibility, but I consider that. You may give his/her name?02:12
JanCAigars Mahinovs (aigarius)02:13
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dholbachJanC: it is, just mail him/her :)02:13
JanCthey have to meet in person...02:14
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ajmitchI'm not sure if I'm the 4th or 5th DD here02:15
syouthYes, I know about meeting in person. That makes the thing so hard, if you don't have any trusted members in your home country ;)02:15
JanCsyouth: I'm pretty sure there must be some02:15
JanCthe problem is to find them  ;)02:16
syouthOk. I will go try to ask at another #linux.ee02:16
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JanCnobody went to the debian conference in finland?02:19
syouthI don't know. When was it?02:20
TreenaksJanC: no, it was empty there ;)02:20
JanCTreenaks: I mean from .ee  :)02:20
TreenaksJanC: oh02:20
Treenakswhere is .ee?02:20
JanCa small swim from .fi   ;)02:21
syouthSouth from .fi and north to .lt02:21
syouth*north from02:21
JanCmost north of the 3 baltic states02:21
syouthhttp://maps.google.com/maps?q=estonia&spn=16.254873,52.769531&hl=en02:22
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siretartslomo_: I mailed you an email regarding plf, could you please proof read it?02:28
ajmitchhm, this is an ugly package I made :)02:29
siretartI guess our autobuilders are quite busy atm, are they? ;)02:30
ajmitcha little02:31
siretarthehe02:31
ajmitchthere's a queue of ~1300 at last report02:31
ajmitchhm02:31
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siretarthm. vorlon filed an RC bugreport against a package of me..02:32
ajmitchsiretart: oh?02:32
ajmitchwhat did you break?02:32
siretartajmitch: I didn't break anything, python and wxwidgets packages was renamed02:32
ajmitchright02:32
siretartajmitch: so londonlaw is uninstallble in debian for now. I already prepared a fixed package, but I cannot test it yet02:32
ajmitchso you didn't upgrade in time :)02:33
siretartyet in 'right now'02:33
siretartyeah, was busy with university and breezy ;)02:33
ajmitchno excuse :P02:33
JanCsyouth: debconf 5 was in july this year & several people went to estonia for one day, that would have been *the* oportunity to get your key signed...02:33
syouthSo if 1 person in Estonia gets into this trusted cirle and that 1 person signes other persons here in Estonia, they are all in the trusted circle02:38
thesaltydogsyouth, yes02:38
syouthAnd if this one person somehow loses his/her key or something like that, all the others lose trust too..02:39
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thesaltydogno. What do you mean by "loses"02:39
syouthHe can die, he revokes key ... something like that02:40
ajmitchif there's only 1 person linking the chain..02:40
ajmitchthen yes, the others wouldn't be linked to the strong set02:40
ajmitchwhich is why it's good to collect signatures02:41
thesaltydogsy if his key is revoked and you are linked only to him, you will break your chain02:41
syouthSounds logical...02:43
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ploumHello02:53
ploumanyone can tell me how to download the criawips package to test it ?02:53
hubploum: on REVU02:53
Treenaksapt-get install criawips ?02:53
ploumhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=683 : I don't see any deb02:54
ajmitchsource only on revu02:54
ajmitchsince it's meant for reviewing packages02:55
ploumah ! Thanks ajmitch, I understand02:55
ajmitchso grab the orig.tar.gz, the .dsc & the .diff.gz02:55
ajmitchand build02:55
ploumajmitch, ok02:55
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Yagisanajmitch: do you have access to a few i386 boxes and want to be a guinea pig ?02:57
ajmitchYagisan: define 'a few'02:57
ploummm.. shame on me but is there some doc on how to make this ? (I did some deb packages but it was a long time ago)02:57
Yagisanajmitch: at least 202:57
ajmitchand what sort of guinea pig work is it?02:57
ajmitchploum: simple way is to dpkg-source -x package.dsc02:57
ajmitchgo into the directory02:57
ajmitchdebuild02:57
Yagisanajmitch: I need you to test my pbuilderrc and tell me if distcc fails on you with errors like:02:58
Yagisanajmitch: /usr/bin/gcc /opt/chroots/pbuilder/ccache/i386/log.tmp.doomguy.20566.i on localhost failed02:58
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ploumthanks ajmitch :-)02:58
Yagisanajmitch: basically, I grabbed random packages out of universe (wesnoth, vegastrike) to test with02:59
ajmitchhah02:59
ajmitchvegastrike is not small02:59
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Yagisanajmitch: and they fail to build with distcc (all boxes a breezy)03:00
Yagisanajmitch: please suggest a tiny package then :) I'm sure distcc will f*ck it up03:00
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ajmitchheh03:01
ajmitchtreecc, then :)03:01
Yagisanajmitch: building now - lets see if that works03:02
Yagisanajmitch: It failed03:03
ajmitchfun03:03
Yagisanajmitch: would you (or anyone else) like to check my pbuilderrc and distcc to see if it is pebac or a broken package ?03:04
ajmitchshow me the config then03:04
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highvoltagei just installed uw-imapd, and the version number is 2002edebian1-11sarge1, it is the right package, right? i can't recall seeing sarge in any of my ubuntu packages before.03:05
ajmitchhighvoltage: that's probably right03:06
ajmitch  uw-imapd | 7:2002edebian1-11sarge1 | http://10.18.1.1 breezy/universe Packages03:06
highvoltageajmitch: ah, ok. thanks03:06
Yagisanajmitch: want the failed build log from treecc too ?03:07
ajmitchYagisan: sure03:07
ajmitchso configure went fine..03:08
ajmitchmm, cdbs03:08
ajmitchit got through a few C files before choking & dying03:09
Yagisanajmitch: yep, it happens with anything I build with distcc03:10
ajmitchdistcc isn't saying much03:10
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Yagisanajmitch: be back in a sec03:11
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ajmitchI'd be worried if it didn't03:12
ajmitchand would have to lart the debian maintainer03:12
\sh  gcc: Depends: cpp (>= 4:4.0.2-1) but 4:4.0.1-3 is to be installed03:14
\sh       Depends: gcc-4.0 (>= 4.0.2-2) but 4.0.1-4ubuntu9 is to be installed03:14
\shGRRRR03:14
Yagisanajmitch: all packages build fine without distcc :(03:16
ajmitchyou're surprised?03:16
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Yagisanajmitch: I'll try building with only ccache and no distcc03:21
Yagisanajmitch: perfect build03:23
ajmitchk03:23
Yagisanajmitch: when building unless otherwise specified it uses the default gcc which is 4 right ?03:24
ajmitchyes03:24
Yagisanajmitch: ok - then I'm not having gcc mismatched versions03:25
Yagisanajmitch: I'm going to build a pbuilder on the box at 192.168.1.1 to rule out hardware issues03:26
\shhaha...rejected a bug03:33
Yagisan\sh: which one ?03:35
\shhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wpasupplicant/+bug/340403:36
ajmitchoh that one03:36
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ajmitchbut I didn't have my madwifi card on hand to test :)03:37
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\shajmitch: it works, but not with dhcp..because it tries somehow wpa2 first...03:40
\shajmitch: but it's more an madwifi problem...it's fixed in the next version of madwifi03:41
ajmitchok03:41
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\shhmmm03:42
\shi made a mistake03:42
\shI put deb ... dapper in my sources.lsit03:42
ajmitchtime for sleep, will be back in ~4 hrs :)03:42
\shrmpf03:42
derek_\sh: whats wrong with it03:42
Yagisannight ajmitch03:43
\shderek_: nothing...but toolchain is broken03:43
dereksohh03:43
pietrushello folks03:45
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YokoZarWine 0.9 Beta just came out about 30 mins ago.  I'm going to put together the Ubuntu package.  ETA on the package will be 4 hours, since I need to finish D/Ling, compiling, and going to class for the day.05:19
YokoZarAfter that, perhaps we could discuss Wine 0.9 in Universe05:19
dholbachYokoZar: we heard it in ONE channel05:19
dholbachwe now have http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU for reviewing packages05:20
YokoZardholbach: forgot about this channel05:21
YokoZarI've been a bit homeless/without computer for a month05:21
YokoZarJust in time to miss Breezy's release, heh.05:22
siretartYokoZar: are you wine upstream?05:24
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YokoZarsiretart: yes05:30
HWolfCan I close malone 3073?05:30
YokoZarBut I make Ubuntu packages too, siretart05:30
HWolfLathiat, ?05:30
LathiatHWolf: ?05:30
HWolfLathiat, malone 3073 should be closed, right?05:30
siretartYokoZar: aah, so I remember now05:31
YokoZarOk, I'll be back in 3 hours or so, gotta go to class05:31
Lathiati guess so05:31
siretartYokoZar: \sh was our wine hero so far05:31
Lathiati mean what hes saying is valid05:31
Lathiatbut05:31
siretartYokoZar: have fun!05:31
Lathiatits not05:31
Lathiatsortof05:31
Lathiatmysql-server wants an MTA05:31
ograYokoZar, \sh uploaded your packages for the last release :)05:31
Lathiatend of story05:31
HWolfLathiat, notabug imho05:32
Lathiatits not a hula bug by any stretch of the imagination05:32
YokoZarogra: Wow, what good news to hear while I was offline!  I think he emailed me and I didn't read it yet.05:32
Lathiatill mark it wontfix ?05:32
HWolfi'll do it. :)05:32
Lathiatbah and i just logged in :)05:32
Lathiatrejected, priority: wontfix05:32
HWolf:)05:33
ograYokoZar, ys, i pointed him to you... for dapper you two should work together ... or even better you should finally become MOTU and get them in yourself ;)05:34
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siretartYokoZar: if you have some packages which need to be reviewed/uploaded to ubuntu, just tell me or \sh. Or even better: upload them to revu ;)05:37
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pefcan someone review this ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=819 thanks !06:33
siretartpef: I'm revu-building this for you06:35
hubpef: version -1ubuntu1 without a -1?06:35
hubit dapper open?06:39
pefhub: yes06:39
hubso they did resync from Debian?06:39
pefhub: about 2000 packages06:39
siretarthub: it's not 'they', it's 'we' :)06:40
hubsiretart: sorry.06:40
hubok06:40
pefsiretart: wrong version, I'm reuploading a new06:40
siretart;)06:40
hubso one of my package on REVU may be there too as it has been upload to debian06:41
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pefhub: you should check this http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-changes-auto06:45
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pefsiretart: corrected http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=82006:47
pefbbl06:47
hubI'll get my key signed soon anyway06:55
hubat UBZ06:55
dholbachyay! :)06:56
hubdholbach: given that I'm local, how else could I do that :-)\06:57
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thesaltydoghow can I get rid of a lot of these messages: debian: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (0)  during pbuilder process?07:58
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\shhmmm08:10
\shanyone has successfully build stuff in the last lets say 4 hours?08:11
\shsince gcc-defaults synced?08:11
hubcrap08:11
ajmitchmorning all08:11
hubthe broken keycode in breezy PowerPC did bite me08:11
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YokoZarOk, what's the quickest way to go from a source package to the ready-to-compile/update state?08:30
YokoZarThere's apt-get source (package)  and then tar -xzf package.orig.tar.gz08:31
ajmitchapt-get source will unpack it for you08:31
YokoZaroh?08:31
ajmitchthat's what it's intended for08:32
YokoZarSomehow I ended up with a .dsc and two tar.gz's08:32
ajmitchbecause it runs dpkg-source08:32
ajmitcheg..08:32
ajmitchFetched 966kB in 9s (98.4kB/s)08:32
ajmitchdpkg-source: extracting config-manager in config-manager-0.1p12308:32
ajmitchdpkg-source: unpacking config-manager_0.1p123.orig.tar.gz08:32
ajmitchdpkg-source: applying ./config-manager_0.1p123-1.diff.gz08:32
ajmitchso you get a directory config-manager-0.1p12308:32
YokoZarok, here's what happened: didn't yet have build-essentials, so apt-get source bugged out08:33
YokoZarIt should test for that08:33
ajmitchno, it's expected that you have build-essential08:33
ajmitchsince it's essential..08:33
YokoZarWell, yeah, it is08:34
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YokoZarBut, if it's essential, then why don't I have it, until I remember to install it after apt bugs out, eh?08:34
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YokoZarMeh, not that important ;)08:35
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\shhehe..new pictures from ISH NOC ,-)08:42
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sivang\sh: if I have a couple of rpms, and I want to create a debian package that use them together with alien, and do a couple of postint stuff based on users' answers, how should I go about that?08:48
\shsivang: don't use rpm and repackage the stuff to a real package..and use debconf08:49
sivang\sh: I want to do this for the meanwhile, in the future that will be possible08:50
sivang\sh: currently I need to follow that path08:50
sivang\sh: it's possible, right?08:51
\shsivang: yes...but you need for user interaction debconf anyways08:51
sivang\sh: but currently I can't get the source rpms :)08:52
\shsivang: why not?08:52
YokoZarwhat package is uupdate in?08:53
\shsivang: but alien more for rpm deb conversion of the binary packages...08:53
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YokoZarThis is weird...why don't I have uupdate...08:56
jamessan|workYokoZar: devscripts, I think08:56
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YokoZarahh, thanks08:57
\shYokoZar: you can forget about uupdate and the orig. wine tar.gzs :( the version is not matching our version scheme08:57
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YokoZarThat's why you specify -v to uupdate :)08:59
\shYokoZar: better to put the orig wine tar.gz into another wine_<ubuntu version>.orig.tar.gz  and unpack it in debian/rules...how did I do it hmmm08:59
\shYokoZar: yeah...but I don't like it ;)08:59
YokoZaruupdate -v 0.9.0-winehq for the Wine Apt repository, where I'll put this thing first08:59
\shbtw....09:00
YokoZarYeah?09:01
\sheverybody knows who YokoZar is? Scott Ritchie, master of the wine hq deb packages...please welcome him warmly...he will become our new wine motu :)09:01
Nafalloamd64-wine? :-)09:01
NafalloYokoZar: welcome! :-)09:01
YokoZarNafallo: first things first.  I'll probably see if I can get a 64 bit package working in the next few days or this weekend09:02
YokoZarIt'll be more of an issue once Wine can actually run 64 bit windows apps, heh09:02
\shok...I have to go to bed...tomorrow morning at 2UTC is my night over09:02
Nafallo:-)09:02
Nafallo\sh: gnight :-)09:02
\shYokoZar: good to have you on board :) and welcome to MOTU world :)09:02
YokoZarNice to be here :)09:04
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\shg'night guys...and good morning ajmitch I think ;)09:06
sivang\sh: why so early?09:06
ajmitch:)09:06
sivang\sh: good night :)09:06
ajmitchnight \sh09:06
\shsivang: work tomorrow at 2UTC :( right now, the first shift of my colleagues are starting to work for our changes in our tv-cable :)09:06
ajmitcheek09:07
ajmitch2am shift is evil09:07
sivang\sh: man, have a good night then brother - keep the faith09:07
\shsivang: yeah...see u all around tomorrow somehow :)09:07
tsenghi09:09
ajmitchhello09:10
tsenghow are merge bugs looking?09:11
dholbachare there more than the old ones?09:11
tsengi dont know09:11
dholbachthere are 4409:12
dholbach12486 is the last09:12
tsengoh09:12
Kyralhmmm09:13
KyralTime to reboot and see if she holds :D09:13
ajmitchMoM not running yet09:14
ajmitchKyral: I wouldn't expect it09:14
KyralOh?09:14
NafalloKyral: tell me how she did later :-)09:14
Kyral404 Errors, WTF?09:14
ajmitchKyral: initramfs-tools got clobbered by debian merge, so if you re-ran update-initramfs or similar..09:15
KyralI don't need an initrd ;P09:15
KyralI recompiled my kernel so all the stuff I need is in it09:15
tsengill upgrade in a week or two maybe09:15
ajmitchgood luck then :P09:15
NafalloI can't even install new initramfs-tools :-)09:15
ajmitchtseng: things won't be much better then due to UBZ09:15
KyralI switched over to 2.6.13.409:15
tsengoh right09:15
ajmitchthe buildd backlog will be cleared, but most merge work will still remain09:16
ajmitchso plenty of stuff might not even be installable09:16
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ajmitchyay for random bug assigning09:17
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ajmitchsomeone assigning a scribus bug to MOTU09:18
dholbachcan have been me, somebody complained about a bug assigned to motu09:18
ajmitchwhen it's actually a launchpad thing09:18
dholbachoh? launchpad?09:18
ajmitchdholbach: Hidde Brugmans ?09:18
dholbachhiddenwolf?09:18
ajmitchdholbach: the scribus bug is complaining about the launchpad description09:18
ajmitchat09:18
ajmitchah right09:18
ajmitchso that's who it is09:19
KyralOkay, here goes09:19
ajmitch#1481 btw09:20
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KyralAside from my normal reboot hiccups, no problems09:25
Nafallohmm09:25
Nafalloshouldn't the swap be clean between each hibernation? ;-)09:25
Kyraland GAIM just went09:25
KyralDid GAIM get updated?09:25
KyralThough my asshole friends maybe the cause, assholes found an exploit in GAIM that allows crashing09:26
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Nafallowhat the heck is up with my apt-proxy?09:31
tsengit is crappy software09:31
Nafallofails, downloads 2, fails, downloads 2, etc...09:31
sivanglol09:31
KyralMy ping is all over the place, WTF09:32
KyralAnyway everything is stable ATM09:34
NafalloI should remake my swap :-P09:35
Kyral...why?09:35
NafalloSwap:          956        382        57409:35
Nafallothat's two hibernations...09:35
KyralAh09:35
KyralI don't hibernate this thing09:36
Kyraland WTF is up with my ping09:36
Nafallowhy the hell doesn't it clean up after successfully woke up?09:36
Kyralsomeone ping me, I can't believe what XChat right now09:36
jamessan|work4.171 seconds09:36
Nafallo4.91 here09:37
Kyralthis is odd....either my college's internet conn is being flooded...09:37
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Nafallocan anyone reproduce that hibernation problem btw? :-)09:39
KyralAnyone wanna venture a guess as to why there are two instances of GDM on my process list?09:42
AmaranthKyral: you ran gdmflexiserver?09:43
Amaranth(hit ctrl-alt-f8)09:43
KyralThere is something there, the error msg from X earlier09:44
KyralWTF is gdmflexiserver?09:44
tsengcan you please take it easy on the WTF factor09:45
tsengesp. when someone is trying to help you09:45
Kyralsorry ;P09:46
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AmaranthKyral: starts a new X session on another display so a new user can login while the other is still logged in09:47
KyralUmm, seeing as I'm the only person who uses this computer, can I disable it somehow?09:47
Amaranth*shrug*09:48
tsengi have 2 also09:48
Amaranththat is the extent of my knowledge09:48
tsengprobably threads09:48
Amaranthfrom when i was trying to make a FUSA-like thing09:49
ajmitchdapper has been open for ages & I still haven't done an upload09:50
dholbach"ages" :)09:51
ajmitchin the world of MOTU it is :)09:51
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Nafallohehe09:52
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=== ajmitch should upload his queued debian packages
Amaranthalthough my package is heading for main so it's a little different09:54
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Amaranthbtw, since when did Packages.gz get updated before the files were acually in the archive?09:54
ajmitchsince I've only got ~2 days :)09:54
KyralOkaay09:54
KyralAlsa went down09:55
ajmitchgah09:55
ajmitchdpkg-source: building gnue-common in gnue-common_0.6.1-1.diff.gz09:55
KyralNote to self, get a mixer ;P09:55
ajmitchdpkg-source: cannot represent change to .bzr/weaves/c7/lt.gmo-20051022093541-76dd51f19aa9010b.weave: binary file contents changed09:55
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siretartslomo: I bounced the email to slomo@ubuntu.com10:32
slomosiretart: weird... what was the subject? maybe spamassassin didn't like it10:33
siretartslomo: is mail@slomosnail.de obsoleted?10:33
siretartSubject: Collaboration with ubuntu10:33
slomono... slomo@u.c is a forward to mail@slomosnail.de10:33
siretartstrange10:34
slomono... i didn't get the mail :(10:34
slomoplease send it again10:34
slomohm10:34
siretartI already bounced it to slomo@ubuntu.com10:34
slomoah there it is10:35
siretartgreat.10:35
slomohehe10:35
siretartconsider it draft state10:35
slomothe mail is "From:"10:36
slomo;)10:36
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siretart"From:"?10:36
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siretarta, from nobody, that is because of strange bouncing ;)10:36
slomoyes... nothing ;)10:37
ivokshi10:37
slomohi ivoks :)10:37
siretarthi ivoks10:38
slomosiretart: your mail to keyring@tiber was from nobody too10:38
ivokstime for croatian loco :)10:38
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ajmitchhi10:38
slomohi ajmitch10:39
ivokshi ajmitch10:39
siretartgn8 folks!10:42
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slomogn8 siretart10:43
crimsunslomo: hi. What are the plans for ffmpeg in Dapper? Are we migrating to Christian Marillat's packages, or are we going to ask for xvidcore (source) and libpostproc-dev (binary) to be promoted to universe?10:45
slomocrimsun: i plan to get marillat's ffmpeg into dapper... but this must be in multiverse. but we can promote libpostproc/libpostproc-dev to universe if needed10:46
slomoand isn't xvid already in universe?10:46
slomooh, no10:47
slomomultiverse10:47
crimsunwell, if we migrate to Christian's ffmpeg, then we'll have to demote virtually everything that depends on its -dev binaries, too10:47
crimsunjust going off recent work, vlc would be neutered unless it, too, were demoted10:48
slomoyes but vlc must be in multiverse anyway... imho...10:49
slomoor faad2 can be promoted to universe ;)10:49
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crimsunKyral: vlc | 0.8.4-svn20051025-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages10:50
Kyraluhh10:50
Kyralvlc10:50
KyralVLC media player 0.8.4-test1 Janus10:50
KyralSegmentation fault10:50
crimsunit hasn't built yet on ppc, amd64, or ia64 due to libmodplugc2 not being available10:50
KyralJust installed it outta Dapper10:50
slomocrimsun: vlc contains the complete faad2 sources iirc... so it should be in multiverse. i don't know what else is in the sources...10:51
slomobut what other objections would you have against choosing marillat's ffmpeg and the multiverse demotion?10:51
slomoall other packages that are using ffmpeg now are nothing that important... only vlc is10:51
crimsunslomo: I have no other objections if we're going to demote everything to multiverse10:52
crimsuns/other//g10:52
slomooh, vlc contains it's own ffmpeg copy?10:52
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crimsunslomo: currently yes10:52
crimsunslomo: due to the libpostproc-dev mess10:52
slomohm, is it allowed to promote binaries from multiverse to universe?10:53
Kyralhmm10:53
Kyralwhy is it segfaulting on me....10:53
KyralIt has to be something in my system, but what....10:54
crimsunrm -rf ~/.vlc10:54
KyralWouldn't an aptitude purge do that?10:55
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crimsunthen paste me (paste.ubuntulinux.nl) the output from vlc -vv10:55
crimsunno10:55
crimsunnothing in ~/. is ever touched10:55
slomocrimsun: i planned to send a mail about ffmpeg and moving everything depending on it to multiverse to ubuntu-devel next week... maybe we can prepare this mail together so we don't miss a package ;)10:56
crimsunslomo: sounds fine to me10:56
slomoand do you know other ffmpeg users that are not in multiverse? (except gst-ffmpeg)10:57
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crimsunkino and motion10:58
crimsun(main and universe, respectively)10:58
HWolfLathiat, ping10:59
slomohm... should these 2 be moved too?10:59
slomoor do they contain a legally clean ffmpeg?10:59
crimsunerr, n/m11:00
crimsunthey both have ffmpeg as a Recommends11:00
crimsun(Suggests for kino)11:01
crimsunso afaics, we're fine11:01
slomoyes11:01
slomobut i wonder how many packages like vlc are out there... which ship their own ffmpeg ;)11:01
crimsunKyral: uname -m11:01
crimsunslomo: vlc is special-cased afaict11:02
Kyrali68611:02
crimsunslomo: and that special case will go away once it's demoted11:02
Kyralwait...why does it say that I'm on an Athlon K7....11:02
slomocrimsun: other to-be-moved packages are gem, gnusound, lynkeos.app, motion, opencv, smilutils11:02
slomocrimsun: ok, so what about gst-ffmpeg?11:02
slomocrimsun: this one ships it's own ffmpeg version11:03
HWolfanyone here able/willing to reply to a raging user?11:03
crimsunslomo: but is that internal version specific to it?11:03
slomocrimsun: that's the question... hm, i'll take a look at it11:04
crimsunKyral: is this after you've cleaned ~/.vlc ?11:04
slomoHWolf: depends ;)11:04
Kyralyah11:04
Kyral~./vlc doesn't exist, period11:05
HWolfslomo, I closed a bug earlier, and got a mail which I have no clue how to deal with.11:05
slomoHWolf: hmm... a rude mail? ;)11:05
HWolfI've got no clue what he's saying, even.11:05
HWolfslomo, agressive, not rude.11:05
HWolfYou might want to pass along to the powers that be that I'm getting tired of FIGHTING "software that just works".  As I sit here I am seriously contemplating going back to Engarde for my server purposes.11:06
HWolfthat's the politest bit. :)11:06
HWolfBut I still don't know what piont he was making.11:06
crimsunKyral: what cpu are you using?11:06
KyralAthlon XP 2700+11:07
slomoHWolf: hehe... maybe give the mail to some native english speaker ;)11:07
crimsunKyral: did you purge vlc and wxvlc?11:07
KyralWhen I killed VLC, it took wxvlc with it11:07
slomocrimsun: gst-ffmpeg's ffmpeg seems to be the complete ffmpeg with maybe some changes... so -> multiverse imho11:07
HWolfslomo, I'm doing an international english-language education, I can communicate professionally with over 60 nationalities, but this is just wrong. :)11:08
crimsunslomo: ok11:08
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crimsunKyral: can you reproduce this on Breezy's stock kernel?11:08
slomoHWolf: lol ok... then answer his mail with a simple "what are you trying to tell me?" ;)11:08
KyralUhh....I don't have a Breezy stock kernel anymore....11:08
KyralI could reinstall it ;P11:09
crimsunKyral: or rather Dapper's, which is Breezy's atm...11:09
Kyralain't initrd stuff messed atm?11:09
slomocrimsun: i'll get a mail ready for next wednesday for moving everything to multiverse11:09
slomobtw... who broke vim? :(11:09
crimsunvim works fine here11:09
slomoi get: Error detected while processing /home/slomo/.vimrc:11:10
slomoline   46:11:10
slomoE484: Can't open file /usr/share/vim/vim63/syntax/syntax.vim11:10
slomoat that line there is "syntax on"11:10
Kyraloh Stock you mean the 386 or the K7?11:10
crimsunKyral: initramfs is held back (I use aptitude)11:10
crimsunKyral: either11:10
KyralWhat would my kernel have to do with it...11:11
crimsunslomo: why would there be one? Dapper has 6.4. What does line 46 of your ~/.vimrc say?11:11
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KyralI have to reinstall LRM too...forgot about that...11:11
crimsunoh, syntax on?11:11
slomocrimsun: "syntax on", nothing else ;) i get the same error when doing "syntax on" in a running vim11:11
slomoi wonder why it looks in the 6.3 directories...11:12
slomothere's nothing about that in any config11:12
KyralOkay here goes11:12
crimsunslomo: which vim packages do you have installed? I only have vim and vim-common11:13
slomocrimsun: vim, vim-gnome and vim-common11:14
slomoit happens with vim and gvim11:14
crimsunmight be vim-gnome, then11:15
crimsunthough I can't see why11:15
slomolet's purge vim-common and rdepends and see what a reinstall solve ;)11:15
crimsunyeah11:15
crimsunsyn on works fine here11:15
slomoHole:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main vim-common 1:6.3-078+1ubuntu3 [3424kB] 11:16
slomohmmm11:16
slomolet's do an apt-get update before ;)11:16
crimsunhah, yeah11:16
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slomook, now everything in 6.4 ;)11:17
slomoworks fine11:17
slomonarf11:17
slomo=)11:17
crimsunexcellent.11:17
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slomobut the archives seem to be a bit flakey today anyway...11:18
Kyralcrimsun: Same thing11:18
Kyralnow can I please get outta this kernel. It irks me ;P11:19
crimsunKyral: ok, then something's amiss in your /usr/lib/vlc11:19
Kyralshould I nuke it?11:19
crimsunuse vlc -vvv this tme11:20
crimsuntime11:20
Kyralits the exact same output11:20
crimsunhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3612 is mine11:21
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KyralI've gotta go to dinner. Which means I'm rebooting to my 2.6.13.411:21
Kyralshould I kill the /usr/lib/vlc dir?11:22
crimsunpurging vlc takes care of that11:22
crimsunI'll need strace output instead11:22
KyralAfter dinner mkay?11:22
KyralI'm hungry11:22
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Kyralcrimsun if there is any output you want leave me a PMSG11:32
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ograslomo, cd /usr/share/vim/ && sudo rm -r vim63 &&  sudo ln -s vim64 vim6311:37
ograslomo, ^^^ workaround11:37
slomoapt-get purge vim-common && apt-get update && apt-get install vim-gnome11:37
slomoimho a better fix ;)11:37
slomoi had some parts of 6.3 and some of 6.4... no idea why11:38
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ivoksyeah! i love VPN :)11:54

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