[12:03] <Kyral> Note to self....compress mail archives....
[12:04] <ajmitch> Kyral: what, don't you want 5GB of mail?
[12:04] <Nafallo> note to self: get more harddrives for the server
[12:04] <Kyral> Actually my /home is on a 260 GB partition....
[12:04] <ajmitch>  du -sch ~/Mail
[12:04] <ajmitch> 5.1G    /home/ajmitch/Mail
[12:04] <ajmitch> 5.1G    total
[12:04] <ajmitch> *cough*
[12:04] <ajmitch> way too much email there
[12:04] <Kyral> lol
[12:04] <whiprush> man
[12:05] <whiprush> that's just too much
[12:05] <siretart> tiber/revu is now operational with breezy! :)
[12:05] <Kyral> eh?
[12:05] <siretart> ajmitch: you may reconnect now ;)
[12:05] <Kyral> Yah I feel like an idiot
[12:06] <Kyral> Yanno that gtkorphan package? I forgot to check with the original author to see if he planned to submit it to REVU >_<
[12:06] <ajmitch> Kyral: there are a few bz2 mail folders in there
[12:06] <ajmitch> Kyral: don't worry, he visits here as well
[12:06] <Kyral> Yah but now I feel like an idiot ;P
[12:15] <Kyral> Oh well no harm no foul
[12:15] <Kyral> So who has already dist-upgraded to Dapper? ;P
[12:16] <siretart> hrhr
[12:16] <Kyral> hrhr?
[12:18] <Nafallo> Kyral: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[12:18] <Nafallo> Kyral: can you see it yet? ;-)
[12:18] <Kyral> Oh ooops ;P
[12:18] <Kyral> Sorry, overeager I guess :D
[12:20] <ajmitch> there's not much to dist-upgrade to yet
[12:20] <Kyral> good point
[12:20] <Kyral> whats the first thing to do anyway....
[12:21] <ajmitch> proxy server at work is going out of its way to annoy me today
[12:23] <siretart> okay, work for today done. gn8 folks!
[12:23] <Kyral> cya
[12:24] <ajmitch> bye siretart
[12:31] <sistpoty> gn8 folks
[12:33] <Kyral> Judging by the amount of X Libs being uploaded, I'm thinking X is gonna break again....
[12:33] <ajmitch> nah
[12:33] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:33] <Kyral> Are we going to XOrg 7 with this one?
[12:34] <ajmitch> probably
[12:34] <Kyral> Niiiiice
[12:34] <ajmitch> once all the bits are in place
[12:34] <ajmitch> we already have something similar
[12:34] <Kyral> Yah 6.8 right?
[12:34] <ajmitch> 7.0 is just 6.9 with a modular build tree
[12:34] <ajmitch> and we have 6.8+cvs with modular build
[12:35] <Kyral> Yah, I'm looking forward not to have to download a dozen drivers that I don't use
[12:35] <ajmitch> daniels is upstream for a fair bit of the build stuff :)
[12:35] <ajmitch> you don't have to  now
[12:35] <Kyral> Yah....what would happen if I remove one of the driver packs?
[12:35] <ajmitch> it should still work
[12:35] <ajmitch> it was split for a reason
[12:35] <Kyral> (Seeing as I compile the NVidia Module from NVidia due to my custom kernel)\
[12:36] <Kyral> I still have to get that thing to load on boot....
[12:38] <Nafallo> ogra: your buildlog thing eats dapper now, right? :-)
[12:39] <ajmitch> yay, managed to trim my mutt headers a bit
[12:39] <ogra> Nafallo, what ever lamonts daily.html spits out
[12:39] <ajmitch> now it looks a bit cleaner
[12:39] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:42] <ajmitch> gnargh
[12:42] <ajmitch> need food
[12:45] <ajmitch> oh good
[12:45] <ajmitch> DebianPatchFeeding
[12:45] <Nafallo> ajmitch: ?
[12:45] <ajmitch> much needed spec :P
[12:45] <ajmitch> looks like the page is on the BOF list
[12:46] <ajmitch> but dilinger hasn't finished writing the page
[12:54] <crimsun> I'm working on lincvs
[12:54] <Nafallo> lol
[12:54] <Nafallo> why? as if daniels is finished with the buildds yet? ;-)
[12:55] <ajmitch> we need to get our fix
[01:11] <schweeb> hooray for dapper
[01:11] <schweeb> any motu work to be done yet?
[01:12] <crimsun> schweeb: I've started troughing through the rest of unmetdeps
[01:13] <crimsun> (preferring syncs at this point)
[01:13] <schweeb> I've got a bit more time to help this time around
[01:18] <schweeb> I need to figureo out whether mako actually marked me as a member or not :P
[01:18] <schweeb> *figure
[01:20] <Mirno> Hi
[01:20] <Mirno> siretart: ping
[01:37] <tseng> schweeb is a member at large
[01:39] <LaserJock> so, is dapper open? I got a bunch of emails from dapper-changes
[01:40] <Nafallo> LaserJock: yes :-)
[01:40] <Nafallo> but I can't see it at archive.ubuntu.com :-/
[01:41] <LaserJock> did they just transfer subscriptions from breezy-changes ? I don't remember signing up for dapper-changes
[01:41] <Nafallo> yes :-)
[01:42] <LaserJock> who is Daniel Stone?
[01:43] <Nafallo> daniels?
[01:43] <LaserJock> oh, doh
[01:43] <Nafallo> :-P
[01:56] <Nafallo> is it just me or do we have an FTBFS'r'us in dapper? ;-)
[01:56] <ajmitch> Nafallo: that's the plan
[01:57] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:57] <Nafallo> so, where to start? :-P
[01:57] <ajmitch> just dive in
[01:57] <ajmitch> hopefully autosyncs start flooding soon
[01:58] <ajmitch> so far I've only seen manual uploads
[01:58] <Nafallo> ehm, that's what FTBFS, no?
[01:59] <ajmitch> hm?
[01:59] <Nafallo> just can't see them announced?
[01:59] <ajmitch> I don't see many FTBFS of recent uploads
[02:00] <ajmitch> I see a lot of FTBFS of stuff currently in the archive that's still broken
[02:00] <Nafallo> what's all the stuff like motor and xprint then?
[02:00] <ajmitch>     motor |  2:3.4.0-3 | http://10.18.1.1 breezy/universe Packages
[02:00] <ajmitch>      motor |  2:3.4.0-3 | http://10.18.1.1 breezy/universe Sources
[02:00] <ajmitch> *cough*
[02:00] <ajmitch> that's not an autosync
[02:00] <ajmitch> that's just the buildds having everything given back
[02:01] <Nafallo> hmm, oki :-P
[02:02] <Nafallo> why? to get breezy built for dapper?
[02:02] <ajmitch> because it's a reasonably automated process once the buildds are turned back on?
[02:04] <Nafallo> hmm, that probably means that I should stop looking :-)
[02:08] <sivang> good night all
[02:08] <sivang> alreayd past my timezone :)
[02:08] <Nafallo> gnight sivang :-)
[02:46] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: why haven't you started uploading yet?!?
[02:47] <tseng> haha
[02:47] <tseng> yes
[02:47] <tseng> fix universe harder
[02:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Because I suck? :-)
[02:47] <Kyral> Compiling VLC from Sid is harder than I thought
[02:51] <Fuji-san> hello
[02:51] <Fuji-san> am i welcome here
[02:51] <Fuji-san> no dutch people i hope :/
[02:51] <bddebian> Everyone is welcome here.. Except trolls of course :-)
[02:51] <Kyral> yah
[02:51] <Fuji-san> haha
[02:52] <bddebian> And maybe us Americans ;-P
[02:52] <Kyral> Go go Dapper!
[02:52] <Fuji-san> i make alot of bad jokes but i'm not a troll
[02:52] <Kyral> I hope my homebrew VLC backport works....
[02:52] <Fuji-san> :-)
[02:52] <Fuji-san> i loive ubuntu :)
[02:52] <Kyral> appending the ~ string to a version will allow any other official Ubuntu package to overwrite it?
[02:53] <Fuji-san> oh shit JanC and Seveas are here :/
[02:53] <Fuji-san> the dutch are everywhere .. ':((
[02:53] <Seveas> Fuji-san, stop making a fool of yourself in every ubuntu channel please
[02:53] <Kyral> You have any clue oh Most High MOTU?
[02:54] <bddebian> Kyral: ?
[02:54] <Fuji-san> ok Sepheebear
[02:54] <Fuji-san> ok Seveas***
[02:54] <tseng> if you dont bump the version
[02:54] <Kyral> bddebian, I meant why Fuji-san is afraid of the dutch
[02:54] <bddebian> Kyral: I've never seen ~ in a version
[02:54] <bddebian> Kyral: Oh :-)
[02:54] <tseng> the same numbered version will overwrite it from the archive
[02:54] <Kyral> The Backports use it
[02:54] <tseng> vs a local dpkg install
[02:54] <Fuji-san> because i'm half chinese and china is taking alot of their jobs :)
[02:54] <Kyral> that way it doesn't screw up
[02:55] <Kyral> ie, <version>~ubp1
[02:55] <tseng> im not sure what macro-economics has to do with motu
[02:55] <Fuji-san> nothing tseng
[02:56] <tseng> its not railroad-era california
[02:56] <Fuji-san> you also chinese tseng?
[02:56] <tseng> no.
[02:56] <Fuji-san> ok
[02:56] <ajmitch> Fuji-san: it's rather irrelevant here
[02:56] <Fuji-san> i know
[02:56] <Fuji-san> i stopped
[02:56] <Fuji-san> dont worry
[02:58] <Kyral> So
[02:58] <Kyral> How long until the current REVU queue is empty of VALID packages (I know two of mine aren't ;) )
[02:59] <ajmitch> Kyral: how long is a piece of string?
[02:59] <Kyral> how long did you cut it ;P
[02:59] <ajmitch> remember that it's MOTU time that's needed
[02:59] <tseng> thats a good question
[02:59] <Kyral> and I was just trying to change the topic of convo with that question ;P
[03:00] <Fuji-san> i'm a kiwi btw
[03:00] <Fuji-san> ;)
[03:00] <Kyral> You're a fruit?
[03:01] <ajmitch> no, he's being silly
[03:01] <bddebian> hehe
[03:01] <Kyral> Aw screw VLC for now
[03:01] <Kyral> I'll wait until the source packages for Dapper are done being uploaded
[03:01] <Kyral> Xine and Totem can take up the slack
[03:02] <ajmitch> bddebian: merge bugs will start to get filed when autosyncs start
[03:02] <ajmitch> bddebian: so please, be patient
[03:02] <Kyral> whats an autosync?
[03:02] <ajmitch> Kyral: an automatic sync from debian
[03:02] <Kyral> ah
[03:02] <Kyral> so from Sid to Dapper in this case?
[03:03] <bddebian> ajmitch: :-)
[03:03] <ajmitch> Kyral: yes
[03:03] <Fuji-san> ajmitch :-))
[03:03] <tseng> i am enjoying introdeveloperdocs
[03:03] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm outta commish for a week or two anyway probably :-(
[03:03] <Kyral> hehe
[03:03] <Kyral> I'm just blindly doing whatever :D
[03:03] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'll be away for ~3 weeks
[03:05] <Nafallo> bddebian AND ajmitch gone? :-P
[03:05] <Kyral> so nothing really to do until the autosyncs?
[03:05] <bddebian> Nafallo: Yeah so you folks should actually be able to get something done.. ;-P
[03:05] <Nafallo> bddebian: ;-)
[03:05] <ajmitch> Nafallo: I'll be gone at UBZ
[03:05] <schweeb> stupid server HD crashed :(
[03:06] <Kyral> I;ll be there on Sunday D:
[03:06] <Nafallo> ajmitch: wouldn't you be gone after that aswell
[03:06] <Nafallo> ?
[03:06] <ajmitch> Nafallo: yes, I
[03:06] <ajmitch> I'm gone until the 17th
[03:06] <Nafallo> hopefully I can be active merging.
[03:06] <Kyral> Don't worry I'll be here! *Waits for laughter*
[03:07] <ajmitch> Nafallo: yeah, I wish I could say the same
[03:07] <ajmitch> I'll be onlin until the 9th or 10th
[03:07] <ajmitch> so I can be uploading from UBZ
[03:08] <Nafallo> seems I'll be getting a practical place somewhere so I have no idea about computertime in the near future.
[03:12] <schweeb> ajmitch: I blame my HD crash on you
[03:12] <schweeb> ajmitch: or maybe tseng
[03:12] <ajmitch> schweeb: feel free
[03:12] <ajmitch> schweeb: I care about >< that much
[03:12] <ajmitch> ;)
[03:12] <Fuji-san> ;)
[03:13] <Fuji-san> i like you ajmitch
[03:13] <Fuji-san> :)
[03:13] <schweeb> no one likes ajmitch
[03:13] <tseng> schweeb: blar
[03:13] <tseng> schweeb: you are a member at large
[03:13] <ajmitch> schweeb: you're right
[03:13] <tseng> you arent even allowed in here
[03:13] <schweeb> tseng: I'm back
[03:13] <schweeb> I had a lot of work to do
[03:13] <tseng> i heard that before
[03:13] <tseng> busy moving tapes?
[03:13] <bddebian> heh
[03:13] <schweeb> I don't even have tapes anymore, bitch
[03:14] <schweeb> I have CDLs
[03:14] <tseng> arent you fancy
[03:14] <schweeb> they cost more than you're worth :p
[03:14] <tseng> i have something here for you
[03:14] <whiprush> m|m?
[03:14] <tseng> yep
[03:14] <schweeb> hrm?
[03:15] <ajmitch> heh
[03:15] <whiprush> has anyone seen mez lately?
[03:15] <bddebian> Not recently
[03:15] <ajmitch> nope
[03:15] <whiprush> hmmm
[03:15] <schweeb> whiprush: I pretty much lost all my server's data :(
[03:15] <ajmitch> we'll see him in a few days at UBZ
[03:15] <whiprush> he's going to ubz right/
[03:15] <ajmitch> yes, he will be there
[03:15] <whiprush> schweeb: yeah i heard. sucks dude.
[03:17] <tseng> i cant find the damn picture
[03:17] <tseng> in ubuntu tags
[03:17] <ajmitch> tseng: a shame
[03:17] <schweeb> oh
[03:17] <whiprush> it's under udu tseng
[03:18] <schweeb> the ajmitch is a dirty slut picture
[03:18] <ajmitch> schweeb: yes, that picture
[03:18] <whiprush> the tag, is udu
[03:18] <ajmitch> hah
[03:18] <Fuji-san> AJMITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:18] <schweeb> I would use a word other than slut, but it's probably more against the CoC than slut
[03:18] <Fuji-san> FRIEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:18] <Fuji-san> :P
[03:18] <tseng> oh first one too
[03:18] <tseng> schweeb: http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13477862/ HAVE SOME OF THAT
[03:18] <ajmitch> Fuji-san: please, stop being annoying
[03:18] <ajmitch> one channel is bad enough, let alone two
[03:19] <tseng> took me long enough
[03:19] <tseng> damn dude
[03:19] <schweeb> tseng: yes, you're becoming more useless in your old age
[03:19] <zakame> hello all :D
[03:19] <ajmitch> hi zaj
[03:19] <ajmitch> oops
[03:19] <ajmitch> hi zakame
[03:19] <ajmitch> thanks tseng
[03:20] <tseng> oh
[03:20] <tseng> autojoin
[03:20] <ajmitch> easy enough to deal with
[03:20] <wonthappenagain> :(((
[03:20] <zakame> hehe, I thought today was the CC meeting :))
[03:20] <ajmitch> not that I heard
[03:20] <ajmitch> but I've been out of touch with meetings
[03:20] <wonthappenagain> pitty me i'm a moron who just wants to make friends :((
[03:21] <tseng> fix your nick and quit screwing around, please.
[03:21] <wonthappenagain> ok
[03:21] <tseng> http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13477834/in/photostream/
[03:22] <tseng> i forget who was boning luis?
[03:22] <tseng> oh, him
[03:23] <crimsun> oh dear, not in -devel
[03:23] <schweeb> jesus
[03:24] <zakame> hmmm, dapper's now accessible via apt...
[03:24] <ajmitch> great
[03:24] <tseng> oh screw your irssi
[03:25] <schweeb> s/your/you
[03:25] <whiprush> try /kickban?
[03:25] <tseng> yes
[03:25] <whiprush> (bob2 rocks, not a shred of mercy in that man)
[03:25] <tseng> hows that
[03:25] <seth_k> ouch
[03:25] <ajmitch> whiprush: #ubuntu beat out all his mercy
[03:25] <bddebian> Better :)
[03:25] <schweeb> ajmitch: as it would anyone
[03:25] <zakame> is he g4g?
[03:30] <Nafallo> ehm, isn't that last ban the whole isp? :-P
[03:30] <ajmitch> Nafallo: oh well
[03:30] <ajmitch> I'm glad I'm not on that ISP then
[03:31] <Nafallo> indeed
[03:32] <Mirno> *!*@*.upc-d.chello.nl <- OMG .. yeah the whole isp ...
[03:32] <zakame> haha
[03:33] <tseng> i wasnt feeling very generous
[03:34] <tseng> thats sort of easy to get around
[03:34] <tseng> oh well.
[03:35] <tseng> for the ones that never sleep..
[03:35] <tseng> who is bhuvan btw
[03:36] <bhuvan> :)
[03:36] <bhuvan> its me, Bhuvaneswaran
[03:36] <bhuvan> ?
[03:37] <tseng> i dont recall meeting you, so hi
[03:37] <bhuvan> yeah, we didn't!
[03:40] <tseng> what else is horked
[03:41] <crimsun> crap, now he's in kubuntu
[03:41] <tseng> sigh
[03:41] <ajmitch> crimsun: sounds like he's asking for a k-line
[03:42] <schweeb> what an utter douchebag
[03:42] <Seveas> he's been banned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-nl too
[03:43] <ajmitch> and all our work stops because of some irc trolls
[03:43] <ajmitch> fun
[03:43] <bddebian> Bunch of meanies ;-)
[03:43] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, we are
[03:44] <zakame> haha
[03:44] <zakame> and the one to bake our noodle's if he's in the wiki too :))
[03:44] <ajmitch> zakame: don't suggest such things
[03:45] <zakame> ajmitch: sorry :((
[05:23] <ajmitch> now I guess I need to make my scripts more generic to handle both dapper & breezy
[05:26] <schweeb> what scripts?
[05:29] <ajmitch> evil motu stuff
[05:30] <bddebian> heh
[05:36] <Yagisan> ajmitch: ping
[05:37] <ajmitch> pong
[05:37] <ajmitch> Yagisan: what's up?
[05:37] <Yagisan> ajmitch: you attending the #ubuntu-hardened meeting ?
[05:37] <ajmitch> yes
[05:37] <ajmitch> you won't be, I take it?
[05:38] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I won't be able to make it :(
[05:38] <ajmitch> not at that hour
[05:38] <ajmitch> what issues do you want raised?
[05:38] <ajmitch> it's mainly talking about stuff to take to UBZ
[05:38] <Yagisan> ajmitch: actually - I just wanted to see if you could get me a copy of the logs
[05:39] <ajmitch> oh that's not a problem
[05:39] <ajmitch> fairly trivial
[05:40] <Yagisan> ajmitch: thanks - I'm having some freenode issues - takes a while to get on
[05:48] <bmonty> hey all
[05:48] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[05:48] <bmonty> looks like I can start giving you guys debdiffs again :)
[05:49] <bddebian> :-)
[05:50] <Nafallo> is mom started aswell? :-)
[05:51] <bmonty> Nafallo: hold on, let me wake her up and ask her :P
[05:51] <bddebian> heh
[05:52] <Nafallo> :-P
[05:52] <Nafallo> anyone else getting mail? ;-)
[05:52] <ajmitch> Nafallo: mail for..?
[05:52] <Nafallo> from katie :-)
[05:53] <Nafallo> 20/min or so ;-)
[05:53] <ajmitch> I guess there's a bit of a lag between being subscribed & mail coming through
[05:54] <bmonty> Nafallo: I had 88 messages for dapper-changes
[05:55] <ajmitch> bmonty: ubuntu-changes-auto
[05:56] <Nafallo> 649 and counting :-)
[05:58] <Yagisan> does sharing a ccache between amd64 and i386 cause any issues ?
[05:58] <Yagisan> Nafallo: I worked out how to get distcc into the pbuilder as well
[05:58] <ajmitch> Yagisan: it might
[05:58] <ajmitch> Yagisan: but the object files will be completely different
[05:59] <Yagisan> ajmitch: ok - I'll keep them separate then
[05:59] <Nafallo> nice :-)
[06:00] <Yagisan> Nafallo: I'll send you the pbuilderrc after I finish a few more tests so you can see how I did it
[06:01] <bmonty> Yagisan: doesn't distcc pick the appropriate crosscompiler as required?
[06:01] <Yagisan> Nafallo: then maybe someone more proficient with the wiki can update the pbuilder howto
[06:01] <bmonty> Yagisan: I
[06:01] <Nafallo> Yagisan: sure :-)
[06:01] <bmonty> er...I'd like to see you pbuilderrc also please
[06:02] <ajmitch> bbiab
[06:02] <Nafallo> lol
[06:02] <Yagisan> bmonty: sure, I'll send it to you too. I don't think distcc picks cross compliers though (I only have 1 amd64, and a few slow i386 to test with)
[06:03] <Nafallo> 666 new mails in ubuntu-auto-changes :-P
[06:04] <bmonty> Yagisan: thanks
[06:04] <bmonty> I only have i386s so I have never had occasion to test, but I thought I remebered reading about crosscompilers in the docs
[06:05] <Nafallo> ajmitch: will mom file the bugs at malone now?
[06:07] <bmonty> goodnight all!
[06:07] <Nafallo> bmonty: gnight :-)
[06:08] <bddebian> Gnight bmonty
[06:08] <Yagisan> Good night bmonty
[06:12] <Nafallo> Seveas: those cloaks, are they for members or just motu?
[06:29] <ajmitch> Nafallo: why ask me? I'm just a lowly MOTU :)
[06:30] <Nafallo> ajmitch: cause you know everything? :-)
[06:31] <ajmitch> haha
[06:31] <ajmitch> nah, that's bddebian
[06:32] <Nafallo> hihi
[06:33] <bddebian> Nah, I don't know shit :-)
[06:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: rubbish, you know all
[06:39] <Yagisan> isn't there a bbdebian is a god page on the wiki ?
[06:39] <ajmitch> yep
[06:40] <Yagisan> see, what more proof is needed :)
[06:40] <ajmitch> exactly
[06:41] <bddebian> Bah \sh is just on crack :-)
[06:41] <ajmitch> well yeah
[06:41] <ajmitch> but you're still the one & only bddebian
[06:42] <bddebian> Heh.  I REALLY do want to change my nick.  I'm thinking maybe bddumbass? ;-P
[06:42] <ajmitch> bdubuntu
[06:42] <crimsun> well, now that you've done the "aka bddebian" in your -devel posts, you're stuck
[06:42] <ajmitch> maybe bdsm would be more appropriate for you ;)
[06:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: :)
[06:44] <Yagisan> :( distcc is distributing jobs
[06:44] <Yagisan> s/is/isn't
[06:46] <Nafallo> *sigh* libg :-P
[06:46] <ajmitch> haha
[07:01] <LaserJock> has anybody been to MOTUTodo lately?
[07:02] <bddebian> Nope :'-(
[07:02] <ajmitch> LaserJock: can't say I have
[07:03] <tritium> yikes
[07:03] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[07:03] <tritium> hey bddebian
[07:03] <ajmitch> hi tritium
[07:03] <tritium> hi ajmitch
[07:04] <tritium> What are you guys doing up so late?
[07:04] <ajmitch> late?
[07:04] <ajmitch> it's 6pm!
[07:04] <tritium> heh
[07:04] <tritium> 11 pm here
[07:04] <Nafallo> 7am :-)
[07:04] <ajmitch> Nafallo: you're just nuts
[07:04] <tritium> wow, Nafallo
[07:04] <dredg> 10pm. feels like 1am
[07:05] <bddebian> 1am here.. Working :-(
[07:05] <Nafallo> shhh. I'm watching syslog recieve mail ;-). it's great fun :-).
[07:05] <ajmitch> Nafallo: you enjoy watching the changes roll in?
[07:05] <tritium> bddebian: your employer is cruel
[07:05] <bddebian> Heh
[07:05] <dredg> bddebian: eugh
[07:05] <LaserJock> tritium: you're in Mountain time?
[07:05] <Nafallo> from time to time I get to update to :-)
[07:05] <tritium> LaserJock: yes, I am.
[07:06] <dredg> that siad, i'm logged into work over vpn
[07:06] <tritium> LaserJock: you're in Nevada, aren't you?
[07:06] <LaserJock> tritium: yes
[07:06] <LaserJock> I'm Pacific
[07:06] <LaserJock> would've thought you would have been too
[07:06] <tritium> I recall talking with you previously
[07:06] <tritium> No, I'm in Albuquerque
[07:07] <tritium> Too far from the coast, in the middle of the desert/mountains
[07:07] <dredg> and aw crap, everything's closed at 10m round here
[07:07] <dredg> pm*
[07:07] <dredg> screw getting food
[07:08] <Yagisan> dredg: over here everything shuts by 6pm :( :'(
[07:08] <dredg> Yagisan: wow that sucks
[07:09] <dredg> Yagisan: i found out here that even fast food places close before the pub does
[07:09] <dredg> it's...odd
[07:09] <ajmitch> tritium: yeah yeah, I'm a slacker
[07:09] <tritium> ajmitch: no, I wasn't trying to imply that
[07:10] <bddebian> tritium: Yeah, he is a slacker ;-P
[07:10] <tritium> I do agree with LaserJock's points
[07:10] <ajmitch> see, even bddebian agrees with me
[07:10] <bddebian> Err ajmitch even
[07:10] <ajmitch> :P
[07:11] <tritium> nah, ajmitch rocks
[07:11] <ajmitch> nah
[07:11] <ajmitch> I suck
[07:11] <Yagisan> dredg: it truly does. after 6, the only place to get food is the vending machine at the train station
[07:12] <tritium> darnit, now I'm getting hungry
[07:13] <dredg> tritium: why's that?
[07:13] <tritium> Oh, it just sucks.  Long story.
[07:14] <dredg> how useful would one of those be?
[07:14] <tritium> there is one ;)
[07:14] <dredg> is there?
[07:14] <ajmitch> yes
[07:14] <ajmitch> it's called #ubuntu-mono
[07:14] <ajmitch> we're rarely on-topic here
[07:14] <Nafallo> there is two :-) (counting this one)
[07:14] <tritium> yeah, but I don't enjoy it at all
[07:14] <Yagisan> can I pass makeflags to .debs ? it seems that distcc IS working, but 1 job at a time to local host.
[07:14] <Nafallo> then three :-)
[07:15] <LaserJock> I thought that this channel was for off-topic ;-)
[07:15] <Yagisan> I think a blanket -j4 would get a nice test going
[07:16] <dredg> tritium: (http://www.google.com/jobs/index.html)
[07:16] <tritium> yeah, no kidding
[07:17] <tritium> Part of the long story is that I owe 3 years of my life to my current employer
[07:17] <dredg> :)
[07:18] <dredg> fwiw, i can shove a cv or resume over the queuing process straight to a recruiter. but really, </whoring>
[07:19] <Yagisan> dredg: In my experience, recruiters aren't there to get you a job, they are there to keep they vacancy open as long as they can
[07:19] <tritium> dredg: :)
[07:19] <Yagisan> so they can charge more money for "filling" it
[07:19] <tritium> dredg: you work at google?
[07:19] <dredg> Yagisan: right. in this case the recruiter works for google and their job is to hire more staff
[07:20] <dredg> tritium: yes
[07:21] <tritium> dredg: I'm not a computer type, anyway
[07:22] <Yagisan> is MAKEOPTS a gentoo only flag ?
[07:23] <dredg> tritium: no way. know what dept?
[07:24] <tritium> dredg: all I know is that he worked on the google toolbar for mozilla
[07:24] <dredg> ah, software eng. most likely i've never come in contact with him
[07:25] <tritium> What do you do?
[07:25] <dredg> sysop
[07:25] <tritium> cool
[07:26] <dredg> it's ok. i'm over here on training and my internal clock has had a meltdown
[07:31] <Nafallo> hmm
[07:32] <Nafallo> changes-auto stopped at libx?
[07:32] <ajmitch> looks like it
[07:32] <ajmitch> last one I have is  libxml-xerces-perl
[07:32] <Nafallo> that means everything after libx is ubuntuX? ;-)
[07:32] <ajmitch> hah
[07:33] <ajmitch> no, it means that the syncs are done in batches
[07:34] <Nafallo> baah
[07:34] <Nafallo> I almost had a laugh :-P
[07:35] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[07:35] <ajmitch> night bddebian
[07:35] <Nafallo> hehe 7:35 :-P
[07:35] <tritium> good night, bddebian
[07:36] <tritium> I should get some sleep too
[07:37] <tritium> good night, gang
[07:37] <dredg> night
[07:41] <ivoks> hello
[07:41] <ivoks> crimsun: ping
[07:41] <ivoks> ajmitch: ping :)
[07:42] <ajmitch> ivoks: pong
[07:42] <ivoks> ajmitch: could we push libcvs to breezy-updates?
[07:42] <ivoks> it can't be installed in breezy
[07:42] <ivoks> and needs only rebuild
[07:43] <ajmitch> you have to ask mdz
[07:43] <ajmitch> he needs to manually approve each -updates debdiff
[07:43] <ivoks> ok
[07:52] <dredg> damn brain thinks it's 7am tomorrow morning
[08:30] <pef> hello
[09:10] <frans-th> hi all
[09:10] <frans-th> i want to participate with ubuntu branding derivative project for drake
[09:11] <frans-th> can help
[09:11] <frans-th> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrandingForDerivatives
[09:13] <ajmitch> best to ask in #ubuntu-devel then
[09:14] <ajmitch> we just handle universe
[09:29] <zakame> wb dholbach
[09:29] <dholbach> morning
[09:29] <dholbach> hey zakame :)
[09:30] <hub> night all
[09:30] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[09:30] <dholbach> sleep tight, hub
[09:30] <hub> dholbach: when do you arrive in Montreal?
[09:30] <zakame> afternoon here :)
[09:30] <dholbach> hub: ermmmmm, 29. 12:00 am or something
[09:30] <hub> dholbach: ah ok. so ne pre-conf :-)
[09:31] <hub> s/ne/no/
[09:31] <hub> c-ya later all
[09:31] <dholbach> byebye hub :)
[09:31] <ajmitch> dholbach: ah, I'll be there at about 7am that morning :)
[10:12] <\sh> ok..something changed in upload handling?
[10:13] <sivang> morning all
[10:14] <ajmitch> \sh: no?
[10:14] <ajmitch> \sh: we're still on boring old katie
[10:18] <crimsun> slomo: ping. Are we still moving forward with the ffmpeg migration to marillat's, or shall we ask for xvidcore (source) and libpostproc-dev (binary from ffmpeg) to be promoted to universe?
[10:21] <Lathiat> hrm weird ive got this usb card reader but when i wrote stuff to it, its there unthen disappears
[10:21] <Lathiat> weird
[10:49] <syouth> hi
[10:51] <syouth> are motu's like package maintainers and if i want to contribute some package to ubuntu main tree, i must be one?
[10:51] <dholbach> syouth: MOTUs take care of Universe
[10:51] <dholbach> "masters of the universe"
[10:51] <syouth> ok
[10:51] <dholbach> but they are the entry point for ubuntu development
[10:53] <syouth> I describe what I would like to do. I had some cool fortune-mods under Gentoo, that were installed with portage. I would like to contribute those missing fortunes to Ubuntu too. What are my choices here?
[10:53] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseNewPackagesPolicy are interesting reads for that
[10:55] <_Tonio_> hi everyone
[10:55] <syouth> Ok, thanks. That's what I needed.
[10:56] <siretart> hi folks
[10:57] <_Tonio_> does anyone has a good knowledge of scons ?
[10:57] <dholbach> hi _Tonio_, siretart
[10:57] <siretart> huhu dholbach!
[10:57] <_Tonio_> I'm trying to package codeine, but when the log file seems nice, the deb is empty of any lib or binary...
[10:57] <_Tonio_> hi dholbach
[10:58] <syouth> dholbach: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseNewPackagesPolicy does not exist.
[10:58] <dholbach> erm
[10:58] <dholbach> MOTUNewPackagesPolicy maybe
[10:59] <syouth> yeah
[11:00] <siretart> crimsun: that is a very good question. I think slomo has done some research/overview about ffmpeg and xvidcore
[11:00] <_Tonio_> hi siretart
[11:00] <siretart> crimsun: I'd really like to hear his opinion on this
[11:00] <siretart> hi _Tonio_!
[11:01] <siretart> hi SloMoSnail!
[11:01] <_Tonio_> hi SloMoSnail
[11:01] <SloMoSnail> hi siretart and _Tonio_ and the rest ;)
[12:24] <crimsun> janimo: I uploaded a newer exo snapshot from Benny's repo yesterday that works with Thunar. Shall we have Thunar in Dapper?
[12:24] <ajmitch> might as well upload it
[12:24] <ajmitch> give people a choice :)
[12:25] <janimo> crimsun, I think so
[12:25] <janimo> probably 4.4 will be ready by dapper
[12:25] <janimo> oh so dapper is opened already?
[12:25] <ajmitch> janimo: by UVF?
[12:25] <ajmitch> yes
[12:25] <ajmitch> we've got about 1500 packages uploaded already
[12:25] <janimo> ajmitch, hopefully xfce stuff will get same treatement as kde and gnome
[12:25] <ajmitch> about 1200 of that is autosyncs
[12:25] <janimo> so beyond UVF
[12:25] <ajmitch> janimo: good luck getting an exception
[12:26] <janimo> ajmitch :)
[12:26] <janimo> well we synced xfce stuff after UVF in breezy too since it is universe
[12:26] <ajmitch> yes
[12:26] <janimo> so I think it will be ok\
[12:26] <ajmitch> you got exceptions for all that, right?
[12:27] <ajmitch> because for universe we had a UVF policy
[12:27] <ajmitch> and we'll be stricter on it for dapper
[12:27] <janimo> it was universe stuff so were not quite exceptions
[12:27] <janimo> asked elmo and he synced
[12:27] <ajmitch> we still had the policy
[12:27] <janimo> I know dapper will be stricter
[12:27] <ajmitch> seems that most of the MOTUs chose to ignore it though
[12:27] <janimo> We'll see what we can do
[12:27] <ajmitch> probably with good reason
[12:29] <janimo> have a nice day all, I gotta go now
[12:43] <pef> what sould I provide when syncing a package from debian ? using REVU as for new packages ?
[12:43] <crimsun> autosync has been running for some time, pef
[12:43] <dholbach> a sync? or a merge?
[12:43] <\sh> siretart: can we use trac for tracking syncs for the moment?
[12:44] <\sh> siretart: or merges?
[12:44] <dholbach> don't we have bugzilla for merges?
[12:44] <dholbach> once mom is active?
[12:44] <ajmitch> we hope so
[12:44] <pef> dholbach: sync I think, Debian 's version of kcheckgmail is newer than dapper's version
[12:44] <dholbach> then we don't need to track merges at two places
[12:44] <\sh> dholbach: well...if you see that a merge is not necessary, and you can elmo sync a debian package...
[12:45] <dholbach> then you can state that in the bug report :)
[12:45] <\sh> pef: kcheckgmail is an ubuntu package?
[12:45] <ajmitch> dholbach: having 2+ places to track merges is less than efficient :)
[12:45] <dholbach> and mark it pendingupload or something
[12:45] <pef> \sh: yes
[12:45] <dholbach> pef: it's a version, we changed? then we need to merge the changes to it
[12:45] <\sh> pef: and the ubuntu changes are not vital for kcheckgmail?
[12:45] <dholbach> pef: or at least check, if we can just get debian's package, which would be cool
[12:46] <pef> dholbach: latest debian's package include last upstream version and is functionnal
[12:47] <dholbach> does it have all our "impreovements"? :)
[12:47] <pef> dholbach: like updated desktop file and things like this ?
[12:48] <dholbach> yeah, everything
[12:48] <pef> dholbach: I done this for breezy, but since breezy is closed everything not critical isn't accepted in to breezy-updates. I can do all modifications to debian's version
[12:49] <dholbach> yeah, then we get it in for dapper
[12:49] <dholbach> dapper is open
[12:50] <pef> dholbach: so I should provide a debdiff against latest debian's version ?
[12:50] <dholbach> or upload your version to revu, yes
[12:51] <pef> dholbach: someone here told me to get as close as possible to debian's version, so a debdif is better than a new upload
[12:51] <dholbach> erm
[12:52] <dholbach> if we want to upload something to the archive, we can't upload a debdiff, that's why i said it :)
[12:52] <_Tonio_> dholbach: can we still upload to revu ?
[12:52] <dholbach> of course
[12:52] <dholbach> crimsun: YAY
[12:52] <dholbach> :)
[12:52] <Kyral> crimsun you rock
[12:53] <ajmitch> crimsun: good work
[12:53] <pef> dholbach: and who can I contact to get a fixed version uploaded into breezy-updates ? without the fix the programm is unusable
[12:53] <crimsun> sigh, now to wait til everything's available in Dapper :-)
[12:54] <ajmitch> instead of 404 errors all over
[12:55] <Kyral> except VLC is still busted here
[12:55] <ajmitch> Kyral: be patient!
[12:55] <tseng> yes
[12:55] <tseng> he beamed the fix directly to your pc
[12:55] <Kyral> oh didn't get uploaded
[12:55] <tseng> over the mind-web
[12:55] <crimsun> I can't upload vlc till all all the b-ds are available
[12:55] <Kyral> Dude I just woke up gimme some slack ;P
[12:55] <ajmitch> the buildd has > 2000 packages to build :P
[12:56] <crimsun> exactly
[12:56] <Kyral> No caffine in the system yet ;P
[12:56] <tseng> < 7am, caffeine, 0
[12:56] <tseng> yes.
[12:56] <\sh> Betreff: 	sip4-qt3_4.3-1ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED
[12:56] <\sh> Datum: 	Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:55:05 +0100 (BST)  (12:55 CEST)
[12:57] <\sh> my first MAIN upload for dapper *yay*
[12:57] <ajmitch> \sh: yay breakage
[12:57] <ajmitch> \sh: yay breakage
[12:57] <tseng> btw i dont see any autosync action
[12:57] <syouth> Is this HOW-TO correct if I replace hoary with breezy ?
[12:57] <ajmitch> lucky you
[12:57] <syouth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[12:57] <ajmitch> tseng: ubuntu-changes-auto
[12:57] <tseng> that people keep talking about
[12:57] <tseng> ajmitch: sigh..
[12:57] <Kyral> 8 AM Class, means I need to get up at 6:45 to get breakfast
[12:58] <dholbach> pef: get the version up on REVU (the complete one) and nag people to upload it
[01:01] <pef> dholbach: already wrote a debdiff https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/kcheckgmail/+bug/2018
[01:01] <dholbach> pef: super
[01:02] <pef> dholbach: but I think motu are very busy with dapper :] 
[01:02] <dholbach> pef: we'll manage
[01:02] <dholbach> :)
[01:02] <pef> erf :)
[01:03] <pef> dholbach: for next TB meeting, to apply as a MOTU, I just have to add myself here https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev/+members ?
[01:05] <Lathiat> i think for 'motu' too
[01:05] <Lathiat> pef: you also need to turn up
[01:06] <pef> Lathiat: sorry ?
[01:06] <crimsun> (show up at the TB meeting)
[01:07] <StrikeForce> Is the universe candidates uptodate
[01:07] <StrikeForce> or have people already done the packages and haven't updated the wiki page?
[01:07] <dholbach> StrikeForce: people should have updated it
[01:08] <StrikeForce> yup
[01:08] <dholbach> (sometimes they might not have been aware of it)
[01:08] <StrikeForce> kk
[01:08] <syouth> I need to get my key signed if I want to register as an uploader ( according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU ). Who must sign my key? Someone inside Ubuntu team?
[01:08] <StrikeForce> I'm still waiting for someone to REVU rufus :(
[01:08] <dholbach> syouth: somebody in the closely connected set
[01:08] <syouth> Get Your Key Signed:  Locate someone that lives near you and can meet with you to verify your id. I've used [WWW]  http://www.biglumber.com/
[01:08] <siretart> syouth: we don't require signed keys for revu
[01:08] <syouth> siretart: Oh. Ok then.
[01:08] <pef> crimsun: oh, of course :)
[01:09] <siretart> syouth: but you should try to get your key signed anyway. You'll need that for membership anyway
[01:09] <syouth> Ok.
[01:09] <syouth> Does someone inside Debian team with signed GPG key counts?
[01:09] <dholbach> sure
[01:09] <siretart> of course!
[01:09] <syouth> I think he's not developer or something, but a long time user and such
[01:10] <syouth> As I understand I need someone with signed key to sign me to get accepted to the web of signed keys. Is it something like that?
[01:11] <dholbach> yes
[01:13] <pef> Lathiat: cannot apply to MOTU team:  MOTU is a restricted team. Only a team administrator can add new members. but I can apply to ubuntu-dev membership
[01:13] <Lathiat> yeh someone will add you to motu i think
[01:13] <syouth> So I have to find someone in my local area, who has that signed key.
[01:14] <syouth> It's a bit confusing
[01:14] <syouth> :)
[01:16] <ajmitch> pef: motu team is just for bug assignment, really
[01:17] <pef> ohh ok
[01:18] <ajmitch> ubuntu-dev will be for uploading
[01:19] <pef> ajmitch: to be a motu you must be a ubuntu-dev member, right ?
[01:19] <ajmitch> yes
[01:19] <ogra> ajmitch, not only for bug assigning ... also for feeling like a part of it :p
[01:19] <ajmitch> that's what will control uploading
[01:19] <ajmitch> ogra: oh sure :P
[01:20] <ogra> *g*
[01:20] <ajmitch> ogra: isn't the fame & the glory enough?
[01:20] <ogra> sure... but thats like your "MOTU passport" :)
[01:20] <syouth> siretart: But when I want to get membership, I need someone inside Ubuntu to sign my key?
[01:21] <ajmitch> syouth: someone in the strong set, not necessarily in ubuntu
[01:22] <ogra> syouth, get his/her key id and check if there is *any* connection via the trustpath to someone in the strong set: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?STAT=A2D06936&STATS=statistics
[01:22] <ogra> that will suffice
[01:23] <crimsun> back this afternoon (8h), cya folks.
[01:24] <syouth> ogra: big thanks, I will investigate :)
[01:32] <syouth> If i want to know my own fingerprint, then: gpg --fingerprint shows that?
[01:33] <ogra> yup
[01:33] <Treenaks> syouth: gpg --fingerprint your_keyid
[01:34] <syouth> Which is my key_id?
[01:34] <Treenaks> syouth: you know your key id right?
[01:35] <dholbach> just    gpg --fingerprint <your mail adress>
[01:35] <syouth> Sorry for n00b questions...
[01:35] <Treenaks> syouth: otherwise, try your email address
[01:35] <syouth> I have key, yes.
[01:35] <dholbach> the thing after 1024D will be your keyaddress
[01:35] <Treenaks> or 2048D or whatever
[01:35] <syouth> ok
[01:35] <Treenaks> 1024D/[8 numbers/letters] 
[01:35] <ogra> the thing after "pub" :)
[01:35] <Treenaks> those 8 numbers/letters = your key ID
[01:35] <syouth> Thanks:)
[01:37] <syouth> Oh. Seems like I have old pgp keys in pgp.mit.edu .. Can I erase them, because I don't use them. I created them in some practial exercises at school.
[01:37] <Treenaks> no
[01:37] <Treenaks> or at least, not afaik
[01:47] <JanC> if you still have those keys you can invalidate them
[01:49] <JanC> ('revoke' them)
[01:49] <Nafallo> always make revocation certificats to store in safe places...
[01:50] <Nafallo> I've learnt that now ;-)
[01:50] <syouth> I think we don't have anyone in Estonia in strong set:P
[01:51] <syouth> It was local gurus thought.
[01:51] <syouth> Or can you recall any developer from Estonia for example?
[01:54] <JanC> estonia = .ee, right?
[01:54] <syouth> Yeah.
[01:55] <ajmitch> great, we have a pqm deb now to control write access by email to baz & bzr branches :)
[01:57] <ajmitch> yay, pqm broken due to dodgy make dist in upstream ;)
[02:03] <syouth> So much for membership, but random movie suggestion for those who like scizofrenic and underground stuff from Japan - "Tetsuo" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096251/ :)
[02:05] <ajmitch> yay for autotools braindamage
[02:11] <JanC> syouth: I found a debian developer in latvia, I don't know if that's a possibility?
[02:12] <syouth> This is a slim possibility, but I consider that. You may give his/her name?
[02:13] <JanC> Aigars Mahinovs (aigarius)
[02:13] <dholbach> JanC: it is, just mail him/her :)
[02:14] <JanC> they have to meet in person...
[02:15] <ajmitch> I'm not sure if I'm the 4th or 5th DD here
[02:15] <syouth> Yes, I know about meeting in person. That makes the thing so hard, if you don't have any trusted members in your home country ;)
[02:15] <JanC> syouth: I'm pretty sure there must be some
[02:16] <JanC> the problem is to find them  ;)
[02:16] <syouth> Ok. I will go try to ask at another #linux.ee
[02:19] <JanC> nobody went to the debian conference in finland?
[02:20] <syouth> I don't know. When was it?
[02:20] <Treenaks> JanC: no, it was empty there ;)
[02:20] <JanC> Treenaks: I mean from .ee  :)
[02:20] <Treenaks> JanC: oh
[02:20] <Treenaks> where is .ee?
[02:21] <JanC> a small swim from .fi   ;)
[02:21] <syouth> South from .fi and north to .lt
[02:21] <syouth> *north from
[02:21] <JanC> most north of the 3 baltic states
[02:22] <syouth> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=estonia&spn=16.254873,52.769531&hl=en
[02:28] <siretart> slomo_: I mailed you an email regarding plf, could you please proof read it?
[02:29] <ajmitch> hm, this is an ugly package I made :)
[02:30] <siretart> I guess our autobuilders are quite busy atm, are they? ;)
[02:31] <ajmitch> a little
[02:31] <siretart> hehe
[02:31] <ajmitch> there's a queue of ~1300 at last report
[02:31] <ajmitch> hm
[02:32] <siretart> hm. vorlon filed an RC bugreport against a package of me..
[02:32] <ajmitch> siretart: oh?
[02:32] <ajmitch> what did you break?
[02:32] <siretart> ajmitch: I didn't break anything, python and wxwidgets packages was renamed
[02:32] <ajmitch> right
[02:32] <siretart> ajmitch: so londonlaw is uninstallble in debian for now. I already prepared a fixed package, but I cannot test it yet
[02:33] <ajmitch> so you didn't upgrade in time :)
[02:33] <siretart> yet in 'right now'
[02:33] <siretart> yeah, was busy with university and breezy ;)
[02:33] <ajmitch> no excuse :P
[02:33] <JanC> syouth: debconf 5 was in july this year & several people went to estonia for one day, that would have been *the* oportunity to get your key signed...
[02:38] <syouth> So if 1 person in Estonia gets into this trusted cirle and that 1 person signes other persons here in Estonia, they are all in the trusted circle
[02:38] <thesaltydog> syouth, yes
[02:39] <syouth> And if this one person somehow loses his/her key or something like that, all the others lose trust too..
[02:39] <thesaltydog> no. What do you mean by "loses"
[02:40] <syouth> He can die, he revokes key ... something like that
[02:40] <ajmitch> if there's only 1 person linking the chain..
[02:40] <ajmitch> then yes, the others wouldn't be linked to the strong set
[02:41] <ajmitch> which is why it's good to collect signatures
[02:41] <thesaltydog> sy if his key is revoked and you are linked only to him, you will break your chain
[02:43] <syouth> Sounds logical...
[02:53] <ploum> Hello
[02:53] <ploum> anyone can tell me how to download the criawips package to test it ?
[02:53] <hub> ploum: on REVU
[02:53] <Treenaks> apt-get install criawips ?
[02:54] <ploum> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=683 : I don't see any deb
[02:54] <ajmitch> source only on revu
[02:55] <ajmitch> since it's meant for reviewing packages
[02:55] <ploum> ah ! Thanks ajmitch, I understand
[02:55] <ajmitch> so grab the orig.tar.gz, the .dsc & the .diff.gz
[02:55] <ajmitch> and build
[02:55] <ploum> ajmitch, ok
[02:57] <Yagisan> ajmitch: do you have access to a few i386 boxes and want to be a guinea pig ?
[02:57] <ajmitch> Yagisan: define 'a few'
[02:57] <ploum> mm.. shame on me but is there some doc on how to make this ? (I did some deb packages but it was a long time ago)
[02:57] <Yagisan> ajmitch: at least 2
[02:57] <ajmitch> and what sort of guinea pig work is it?
[02:57] <ajmitch> ploum: simple way is to dpkg-source -x package.dsc
[02:57] <ajmitch> go into the directory
[02:57] <ajmitch> debuild
[02:58] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I need you to test my pbuilderrc and tell me if distcc fails on you with errors like:
[02:58] <Yagisan> ajmitch: /usr/bin/gcc /opt/chroots/pbuilder/ccache/i386/log.tmp.doomguy.20566.i on localhost failed
[02:58] <ploum> thanks ajmitch :-)
[02:59] <Yagisan> ajmitch: basically, I grabbed random packages out of universe (wesnoth, vegastrike) to test with
[02:59] <ajmitch> hah
[02:59] <ajmitch> vegastrike is not small
[03:00] <Yagisan> ajmitch: and they fail to build with distcc (all boxes a breezy)
[03:00] <Yagisan> ajmitch: please suggest a tiny package then :) I'm sure distcc will f*ck it up
[03:01] <ajmitch> heh
[03:01] <ajmitch> treecc, then :)
[03:02] <Yagisan> ajmitch: building now - lets see if that works
[03:03] <Yagisan> ajmitch: It failed
[03:03] <ajmitch> fun
[03:04] <Yagisan> ajmitch: would you (or anyone else) like to check my pbuilderrc and distcc to see if it is pebac or a broken package ?
[03:04] <ajmitch> show me the config then
[03:05] <highvoltage> i just installed uw-imapd, and the version number is 2002edebian1-11sarge1, it is the right package, right? i can't recall seeing sarge in any of my ubuntu packages before.
[03:06] <ajmitch> highvoltage: that's probably right
[03:06] <ajmitch>   uw-imapd | 7:2002edebian1-11sarge1 | http://10.18.1.1 breezy/universe Packages
[03:06] <highvoltage> ajmitch: ah, ok. thanks
[03:07] <Yagisan> ajmitch: want the failed build log from treecc too ?
[03:07] <ajmitch> Yagisan: sure
[03:08] <ajmitch> so configure went fine..
[03:08] <ajmitch> mm, cdbs
[03:09] <ajmitch> it got through a few C files before choking & dying
[03:10] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yep, it happens with anything I build with distcc
[03:10] <ajmitch> distcc isn't saying much
[03:11] <Yagisan> ajmitch: be back in a sec
[03:12] <ajmitch> I'd be worried if it didn't
[03:12] <ajmitch> and would have to lart the debian maintainer
[03:14] <\sh>   gcc: Depends: cpp (>= 4:4.0.2-1) but 4:4.0.1-3 is to be installed
[03:14] <\sh>        Depends: gcc-4.0 (>= 4.0.2-2) but 4.0.1-4ubuntu9 is to be installed
[03:14] <\sh> GRRRR
[03:16] <Yagisan> ajmitch: all packages build fine without distcc :(
[03:16] <ajmitch> you're surprised?
[03:21] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I'll try building with only ccache and no distcc
[03:23] <Yagisan> ajmitch: perfect build
[03:23] <ajmitch> k
[03:24] <Yagisan> ajmitch: when building unless otherwise specified it uses the default gcc which is 4 right ?
[03:24] <ajmitch> yes
[03:25] <Yagisan> ajmitch: ok - then I'm not having gcc mismatched versions
[03:26] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I'm going to build a pbuilder on the box at 192.168.1.1 to rule out hardware issues
[03:33] <\sh> haha...rejected a bug
[03:35] <Yagisan> \sh: which one ?
[03:36] <\sh> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wpasupplicant/+bug/3404
[03:36] <ajmitch> oh that one
[03:37] <ajmitch> but I didn't have my madwifi card on hand to test :)
[03:40] <\sh> ajmitch: it works, but not with dhcp..because it tries somehow wpa2 first...
[03:41] <\sh> ajmitch: but it's more an madwifi problem...it's fixed in the next version of madwifi
[03:41] <ajmitch> ok
[03:42] <\sh> hmmm
[03:42] <\sh> i made a mistake
[03:42] <\sh> I put deb ... dapper in my sources.lsit
[03:42] <ajmitch> time for sleep, will be back in ~4 hrs :)
[03:42] <\sh> rmpf
[03:42] <derek_> \sh: whats wrong with it
[03:43] <Yagisan> night ajmitch
[03:43] <\sh> derek_: nothing...but toolchain is broken
[03:43] <dereks> ohh
[03:45] <pietrus> hello folks
[05:19] <YokoZar> Wine 0.9 Beta just came out about 30 mins ago.  I'm going to put together the Ubuntu package.  ETA on the package will be 4 hours, since I need to finish D/Ling, compiling, and going to class for the day.
[05:19] <YokoZar> After that, perhaps we could discuss Wine 0.9 in Universe
[05:19] <dholbach> YokoZar: we heard it in ONE channel
[05:20] <dholbach> we now have http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU for reviewing packages
[05:21] <YokoZar> dholbach: forgot about this channel
[05:21] <YokoZar> I've been a bit homeless/without computer for a month
[05:22] <YokoZar> Just in time to miss Breezy's release, heh.
[05:24] <siretart> YokoZar: are you wine upstream?
[05:30] <YokoZar> siretart: yes
[05:30] <HWolf> Can I close malone 3073?
[05:30] <YokoZar> But I make Ubuntu packages too, siretart
[05:30] <HWolf> Lathiat, ?
[05:30] <Lathiat> HWolf: ?
[05:30] <HWolf> Lathiat, malone 3073 should be closed, right?
[05:31] <siretart> YokoZar: aah, so I remember now
[05:31] <YokoZar> Ok, I'll be back in 3 hours or so, gotta go to class
[05:31] <Lathiat> i guess so
[05:31] <siretart> YokoZar: \sh was our wine hero so far
[05:31] <Lathiat> i mean what hes saying is valid
[05:31] <Lathiat> but
[05:31] <siretart> YokoZar: have fun!
[05:31] <Lathiat> its not
[05:31] <Lathiat> sortof
[05:31] <Lathiat> mysql-server wants an MTA
[05:31] <ogra> YokoZar, \sh uploaded your packages for the last release :)
[05:31] <Lathiat> end of story
[05:32] <HWolf> Lathiat, notabug imho
[05:32] <Lathiat> its not a hula bug by any stretch of the imagination
[05:32] <YokoZar> ogra: Wow, what good news to hear while I was offline!  I think he emailed me and I didn't read it yet.
[05:32] <Lathiat> ill mark it wontfix ?
[05:32] <HWolf> i'll do it. :)
[05:32] <Lathiat> bah and i just logged in :)
[05:32] <Lathiat> rejected, priority: wontfix
[05:33] <HWolf> :)
[05:34] <ogra> YokoZar, ys, i pointed him to you... for dapper you two should work together ... or even better you should finally become MOTU and get them in yourself ;)
[05:37] <siretart> YokoZar: if you have some packages which need to be reviewed/uploaded to ubuntu, just tell me or \sh. Or even better: upload them to revu ;)
[06:33] <pef> can someone review this ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=819 thanks !
[06:35] <siretart> pef: I'm revu-building this for you
[06:35] <hub> pef: version -1ubuntu1 without a -1?
[06:39] <hub> it dapper open?
[06:39] <pef> hub: yes
[06:39] <hub> so they did resync from Debian?
[06:39] <pef> hub: about 2000 packages
[06:40] <siretart> hub: it's not 'they', it's 'we' :)
[06:40] <hub> siretart: sorry.
[06:40] <hub> ok
[06:40] <pef> siretart: wrong version, I'm reuploading a new
[06:40] <siretart> ;)
[06:41] <hub> so one of my package on REVU may be there too as it has been upload to debian
[06:45] <pef> hub: you should check this http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-changes-auto
[06:47] <pef> siretart: corrected http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=820
[06:47] <pef> bbl
[06:55] <hub> I'll get my key signed soon anyway
[06:55] <hub> at UBZ
[06:56] <dholbach> yay! :)
[06:57] <hub> dholbach: given that I'm local, how else could I do that :-)\
[07:58] <thesaltydog> how can I get rid of a lot of these messages: debian: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (0)  during pbuilder process?
[08:10] <\sh> hmmm
[08:11] <\sh> anyone has successfully build stuff in the last lets say 4 hours?
[08:11] <\sh> since gcc-defaults synced?
[08:11] <hub> crap
[08:11] <ajmitch> morning all
[08:11] <hub> the broken keycode in breezy PowerPC did bite me
[08:30] <YokoZar> Ok, what's the quickest way to go from a source package to the ready-to-compile/update state?
[08:31] <YokoZar> There's apt-get source (package)  and then tar -xzf package.orig.tar.gz
[08:31] <ajmitch> apt-get source will unpack it for you
[08:31] <YokoZar> oh?
[08:32] <ajmitch> that's what it's intended for
[08:32] <YokoZar> Somehow I ended up with a .dsc and two tar.gz's
[08:32] <ajmitch> because it runs dpkg-source
[08:32] <ajmitch> eg..
[08:32] <ajmitch> Fetched 966kB in 9s (98.4kB/s)
[08:32] <ajmitch> dpkg-source: extracting config-manager in config-manager-0.1p123
[08:32] <ajmitch> dpkg-source: unpacking config-manager_0.1p123.orig.tar.gz
[08:32] <ajmitch> dpkg-source: applying ./config-manager_0.1p123-1.diff.gz
[08:32] <ajmitch> so you get a directory config-manager-0.1p123
[08:33] <YokoZar> ok, here's what happened: didn't yet have build-essentials, so apt-get source bugged out
[08:33] <YokoZar> It should test for that
[08:33] <ajmitch> no, it's expected that you have build-essential
[08:33] <ajmitch> since it's essential..
[08:34] <YokoZar> Well, yeah, it is
[08:34] <YokoZar> But, if it's essential, then why don't I have it, until I remember to install it after apt bugs out, eh?
[08:35] <YokoZar> Meh, not that important ;)
[08:42] <\sh> hehe..new pictures from ISH NOC ,-)
[08:48] <sivang> \sh: if I have a couple of rpms, and I want to create a debian package that use them together with alien, and do a couple of postint stuff based on users' answers, how should I go about that?
[08:49] <\sh> sivang: don't use rpm and repackage the stuff to a real package..and use debconf
[08:50] <sivang> \sh: I want to do this for the meanwhile, in the future that will be possible
[08:50] <sivang> \sh: currently I need to follow that path
[08:51] <sivang> \sh: it's possible, right?
[08:51] <\sh> sivang: yes...but you need for user interaction debconf anyways
[08:52] <sivang> \sh: but currently I can't get the source rpms :)
[08:52] <\sh> sivang: why not?
[08:53] <YokoZar> what package is uupdate in?
[08:53] <\sh> sivang: but alien more for rpm deb conversion of the binary packages...
[08:56] <YokoZar> This is weird...why don't I have uupdate...
[08:56] <jamessan|work> YokoZar: devscripts, I think
[08:57] <YokoZar> ahh, thanks
[08:57] <\sh> YokoZar: you can forget about uupdate and the orig. wine tar.gzs :( the version is not matching our version scheme
[08:59] <YokoZar> That's why you specify -v to uupdate :)
[08:59] <\sh> YokoZar: better to put the orig wine tar.gz into another wine_<ubuntu version>.orig.tar.gz  and unpack it in debian/rules...how did I do it hmmm
[08:59] <\sh> YokoZar: yeah...but I don't like it ;)
[08:59] <YokoZar> uupdate -v 0.9.0-winehq for the Wine Apt repository, where I'll put this thing first
[09:00] <\sh> btw....
[09:01] <YokoZar> Yeah?
[09:01] <\sh> everybody knows who YokoZar is? Scott Ritchie, master of the wine hq deb packages...please welcome him warmly...he will become our new wine motu :)
[09:01] <Nafallo> amd64-wine? :-)
[09:01] <Nafallo> YokoZar: welcome! :-)
[09:02] <YokoZar> Nafallo: first things first.  I'll probably see if I can get a 64 bit package working in the next few days or this weekend
[09:02] <YokoZar> It'll be more of an issue once Wine can actually run 64 bit windows apps, heh
[09:02] <\sh> ok...I have to go to bed...tomorrow morning at 2UTC is my night over
[09:02] <Nafallo> :-)
[09:02] <Nafallo> \sh: gnight :-)
[09:02] <\sh> YokoZar: good to have you on board :) and welcome to MOTU world :)
[09:04] <YokoZar> Nice to be here :)
[09:06] <\sh> g'night guys...and good morning ajmitch I think ;)
[09:06] <sivang> \sh: why so early?
[09:06] <ajmitch> :)
[09:06] <sivang> \sh: good night :)
[09:06] <ajmitch> night \sh
[09:06] <\sh> sivang: work tomorrow at 2UTC :( right now, the first shift of my colleagues are starting to work for our changes in our tv-cable :)
[09:07] <ajmitch> eek
[09:07] <ajmitch> 2am shift is evil
[09:07] <sivang> \sh: man, have a good night then brother - keep the faith
[09:07] <\sh> sivang: yeah...see u all around tomorrow somehow :)
[09:09] <tseng> hi
[09:10] <ajmitch> hello
[09:11] <tseng> how are merge bugs looking?
[09:11] <dholbach> are there more than the old ones?
[09:11] <tseng> i dont know
[09:12] <dholbach> there are 44
[09:12] <dholbach> 12486 is the last
[09:12] <tseng> oh
[09:13] <Kyral> hmmm
[09:13] <Kyral> Time to reboot and see if she holds :D
[09:14] <ajmitch> MoM not running yet
[09:14] <ajmitch> Kyral: I wouldn't expect it
[09:14] <Kyral> Oh?
[09:14] <Nafallo> Kyral: tell me how she did later :-)
[09:14] <Kyral> 404 Errors, WTF?
[09:15] <ajmitch> Kyral: initramfs-tools got clobbered by debian merge, so if you re-ran update-initramfs or similar..
[09:15] <Kyral> I don't need an initrd ;P
[09:15] <Kyral> I recompiled my kernel so all the stuff I need is in it
[09:15] <tseng> ill upgrade in a week or two maybe
[09:15] <ajmitch> good luck then :P
[09:15] <Nafallo> I can't even install new initramfs-tools :-)
[09:15] <ajmitch> tseng: things won't be much better then due to UBZ
[09:15] <Kyral> I switched over to 2.6.13.4
[09:15] <tseng> oh right
[09:16] <ajmitch> the buildd backlog will be cleared, but most merge work will still remain
[09:16] <ajmitch> so plenty of stuff might not even be installable
[09:17] <ajmitch> yay for random bug assigning
[09:18] <ajmitch> someone assigning a scribus bug to MOTU
[09:18] <dholbach> can have been me, somebody complained about a bug assigned to motu
[09:18] <ajmitch> when it's actually a launchpad thing
[09:18] <dholbach> oh? launchpad?
[09:18] <ajmitch> dholbach: Hidde Brugmans ?
[09:18] <dholbach> hiddenwolf?
[09:18] <ajmitch> dholbach: the scribus bug is complaining about the launchpad description
[09:18] <ajmitch> at
[09:18] <ajmitch> ah right
[09:19] <ajmitch> so that's who it is
[09:19] <Kyral> Okay, here goes
[09:20] <ajmitch> #1481 btw
[09:25] <Kyral> Aside from my normal reboot hiccups, no problems
[09:25] <Nafallo> hmm
[09:25] <Nafallo> shouldn't the swap be clean between each hibernation? ;-)
[09:25] <Kyral> and GAIM just went
[09:25] <Kyral> Did GAIM get updated?
[09:26] <Kyral> Though my asshole friends maybe the cause, assholes found an exploit in GAIM that allows crashing
[09:31] <Nafallo> what the heck is up with my apt-proxy?
[09:31] <tseng> it is crappy software
[09:31] <Nafallo> fails, downloads 2, fails, downloads 2, etc...
[09:31] <sivang> lol
[09:32] <Kyral> My ping is all over the place, WTF
[09:34] <Kyral> Anyway everything is stable ATM
[09:35] <Nafallo> I should remake my swap :-P
[09:35] <Kyral> ...why?
[09:35] <Nafallo> Swap:          956        382        574
[09:35] <Nafallo> that's two hibernations...
[09:35] <Kyral> Ah
[09:36] <Kyral> I don't hibernate this thing
[09:36] <Kyral> and WTF is up with my ping
[09:36] <Nafallo> why the hell doesn't it clean up after successfully woke up?
[09:36] <Kyral> someone ping me, I can't believe what XChat right now
[09:36] <jamessan|work> 4.171 seconds
[09:37] <Nafallo> 4.91 here
[09:37] <Kyral> this is odd....either my college's internet conn is being flooded...
[09:39] <Nafallo> can anyone reproduce that hibernation problem btw? :-)
[09:42] <Kyral> Anyone wanna venture a guess as to why there are two instances of GDM on my process list?
[09:43] <Amaranth> Kyral: you ran gdmflexiserver?
[09:43] <Amaranth> (hit ctrl-alt-f8)
[09:44] <Kyral> There is something there, the error msg from X earlier
[09:44] <Kyral> WTF is gdmflexiserver?
[09:45] <tseng> can you please take it easy on the WTF factor
[09:45] <tseng> esp. when someone is trying to help you
[09:46] <Kyral> sorry ;P
[09:47] <Amaranth> Kyral: starts a new X session on another display so a new user can login while the other is still logged in
[09:47] <Kyral> Umm, seeing as I'm the only person who uses this computer, can I disable it somehow?
[09:48] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[09:48] <tseng> i have 2 also
[09:48] <Amaranth> that is the extent of my knowledge
[09:48] <tseng> probably threads
[09:49] <Amaranth> from when i was trying to make a FUSA-like thing
[09:50] <ajmitch> dapper has been open for ages & I still haven't done an upload
[09:51] <dholbach> "ages" :)
[09:51] <ajmitch> in the world of MOTU it is :)
[09:52] <Nafallo> hehe
[09:54] <Amaranth> although my package is heading for main so it's a little different
[09:54] <Amaranth> btw, since when did Packages.gz get updated before the files were acually in the archive?
[09:54] <ajmitch> since I've only got ~2 days :)
[09:54] <Kyral> Okaay
[09:55] <Kyral> Alsa went down
[09:55] <ajmitch> gah
[09:55] <ajmitch> dpkg-source: building gnue-common in gnue-common_0.6.1-1.diff.gz
[09:55] <Kyral> Note to self, get a mixer ;P
[09:55] <ajmitch> dpkg-source: cannot represent change to .bzr/weaves/c7/lt.gmo-20051022093541-76dd51f19aa9010b.weave: binary file contents changed
[10:32] <siretart> slomo: I bounced the email to slomo@ubuntu.com
[10:33] <slomo> siretart: weird... what was the subject? maybe spamassassin didn't like it
[10:33] <siretart> slomo: is mail@slomosnail.de obsoleted?
[10:33] <siretart> Subject: Collaboration with ubuntu
[10:33] <slomo> no... slomo@u.c is a forward to mail@slomosnail.de
[10:34] <siretart> strange
[10:34] <slomo> no... i didn't get the mail :(
[10:34] <slomo> please send it again
[10:34] <slomo> hm
[10:34] <siretart> I already bounced it to slomo@ubuntu.com
[10:35] <slomo> ah there it is
[10:35] <siretart> great.
[10:35] <slomo> hehe
[10:35] <siretart> consider it draft state
[10:36] <slomo> the mail is "From:"
[10:36] <slomo> ;)
[10:36] <siretart> "From:"?
[10:36] <siretart> a, from nobody, that is because of strange bouncing ;)
[10:37] <slomo> yes... nothing ;)
[10:37] <ivoks> hi
[10:37] <slomo> hi ivoks :)
[10:38] <siretart> hi ivoks
[10:38] <slomo> siretart: your mail to keyring@tiber was from nobody too
[10:38] <ivoks> time for croatian loco :)
[10:38] <ajmitch> hi
[10:39] <slomo> hi ajmitch
[10:39] <ivoks> hi ajmitch
[10:42] <siretart> gn8 folks!
[10:43] <slomo> gn8 siretart
[10:45] <crimsun> slomo: hi. What are the plans for ffmpeg in Dapper? Are we migrating to Christian Marillat's packages, or are we going to ask for xvidcore (source) and libpostproc-dev (binary) to be promoted to universe?
[10:46] <slomo> crimsun: i plan to get marillat's ffmpeg into dapper... but this must be in multiverse. but we can promote libpostproc/libpostproc-dev to universe if needed
[10:46] <slomo> and isn't xvid already in universe?
[10:47] <slomo> oh, no
[10:47] <slomo> multiverse
[10:47] <crimsun> well, if we migrate to Christian's ffmpeg, then we'll have to demote virtually everything that depends on its -dev binaries, too
[10:48] <crimsun> just going off recent work, vlc would be neutered unless it, too, were demoted
[10:49] <slomo> yes but vlc must be in multiverse anyway... imho...
[10:49] <slomo> or faad2 can be promoted to universe ;)
[10:50] <crimsun> Kyral: vlc | 0.8.4-svn20051025-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages
[10:50] <Kyral> uhh
[10:50] <Kyral> vlc
[10:50] <Kyral> VLC media player 0.8.4-test1 Janus
[10:50] <Kyral> Segmentation fault
[10:50] <crimsun> it hasn't built yet on ppc, amd64, or ia64 due to libmodplugc2 not being available
[10:50] <Kyral> Just installed it outta Dapper
[10:51] <slomo> crimsun: vlc contains the complete faad2 sources iirc... so it should be in multiverse. i don't know what else is in the sources...
[10:51] <slomo> but what other objections would you have against choosing marillat's ffmpeg and the multiverse demotion?
[10:51] <slomo> all other packages that are using ffmpeg now are nothing that important... only vlc is
[10:52] <crimsun> slomo: I have no other objections if we're going to demote everything to multiverse
[10:52] <crimsun> s/other//g
[10:52] <slomo> oh, vlc contains it's own ffmpeg copy?
[10:52] <crimsun> slomo: currently yes
[10:52] <crimsun> slomo: due to the libpostproc-dev mess
[10:53] <slomo> hm, is it allowed to promote binaries from multiverse to universe?
[10:53] <Kyral> hmm
[10:53] <Kyral> why is it segfaulting on me....
[10:54] <Kyral> It has to be something in my system, but what....
[10:54] <crimsun> rm -rf ~/.vlc
[10:55] <Kyral> Wouldn't an aptitude purge do that?
[10:55] <crimsun> then paste me (paste.ubuntulinux.nl) the output from vlc -vv
[10:55] <crimsun> no
[10:55] <crimsun> nothing in ~/. is ever touched
[10:56] <slomo> crimsun: i planned to send a mail about ffmpeg and moving everything depending on it to multiverse to ubuntu-devel next week... maybe we can prepare this mail together so we don't miss a package ;)
[10:56] <crimsun> slomo: sounds fine to me
[10:57] <slomo> and do you know other ffmpeg users that are not in multiverse? (except gst-ffmpeg)
[10:58] <crimsun> kino and motion
[10:58] <crimsun> (main and universe, respectively)
[10:59] <HWolf> Lathiat, ping
[10:59] <slomo> hm... should these 2 be moved too?
[10:59] <slomo> or do they contain a legally clean ffmpeg?
[11:00] <crimsun> err, n/m
[11:00] <crimsun> they both have ffmpeg as a Recommends
[11:01] <crimsun> (Suggests for kino)
[11:01] <crimsun> so afaics, we're fine
[11:01] <slomo> yes
[11:01] <slomo> but i wonder how many packages like vlc are out there... which ship their own ffmpeg ;)
[11:01] <crimsun> Kyral: uname -m
[11:02] <crimsun> slomo: vlc is special-cased afaict
[11:02] <Kyral> i686
[11:02] <crimsun> slomo: and that special case will go away once it's demoted
[11:02] <Kyral> wait...why does it say that I'm on an Athlon K7....
[11:02] <slomo> crimsun: other to-be-moved packages are gem, gnusound, lynkeos.app, motion, opencv, smilutils
[11:02] <slomo> crimsun: ok, so what about gst-ffmpeg?
[11:03] <slomo> crimsun: this one ships it's own ffmpeg version
[11:03] <HWolf> anyone here able/willing to reply to a raging user?
[11:03] <crimsun> slomo: but is that internal version specific to it?
[11:04] <slomo> crimsun: that's the question... hm, i'll take a look at it
[11:04] <crimsun> Kyral: is this after you've cleaned ~/.vlc ?
[11:04] <slomo> HWolf: depends ;)
[11:04] <Kyral> yah
[11:05] <Kyral> ~./vlc doesn't exist, period
[11:05] <HWolf> slomo, I closed a bug earlier, and got a mail which I have no clue how to deal with.
[11:05] <slomo> HWolf: hmm... a rude mail? ;)
[11:05] <HWolf> I've got no clue what he's saying, even.
[11:05] <HWolf> slomo, agressive, not rude.
[11:06] <HWolf> You might want to pass along to the powers that be that I'm getting tired of FIGHTING "software that just works".  As I sit here I am seriously contemplating going back to Engarde for my server purposes.
[11:06] <HWolf> that's the politest bit. :)
[11:06] <HWolf> But I still don't know what piont he was making.
[11:06] <crimsun> Kyral: what cpu are you using?
[11:07] <Kyral> Athlon XP 2700+
[11:07] <slomo> HWolf: hehe... maybe give the mail to some native english speaker ;)
[11:07] <crimsun> Kyral: did you purge vlc and wxvlc?
[11:07] <Kyral> When I killed VLC, it took wxvlc with it
[11:07] <slomo> crimsun: gst-ffmpeg's ffmpeg seems to be the complete ffmpeg with maybe some changes... so -> multiverse imho
[11:08] <HWolf> slomo, I'm doing an international english-language education, I can communicate professionally with over 60 nationalities, but this is just wrong. :)
[11:08] <crimsun> slomo: ok
[11:08] <crimsun> Kyral: can you reproduce this on Breezy's stock kernel?
[11:08] <slomo> HWolf: lol ok... then answer his mail with a simple "what are you trying to tell me?" ;)
[11:08] <Kyral> Uhh....I don't have a Breezy stock kernel anymore....
[11:09] <Kyral> I could reinstall it ;P
[11:09] <crimsun> Kyral: or rather Dapper's, which is Breezy's atm...
[11:09] <Kyral> ain't initrd stuff messed atm?
[11:09] <slomo> crimsun: i'll get a mail ready for next wednesday for moving everything to multiverse
[11:09] <slomo> btw... who broke vim? :(
[11:09] <crimsun> vim works fine here
[11:10] <slomo> i get: Error detected while processing /home/slomo/.vimrc:
[11:10] <slomo> line   46:
[11:10] <slomo> E484: Can't open file /usr/share/vim/vim63/syntax/syntax.vim
[11:10] <slomo> at that line there is "syntax on"
[11:10] <Kyral> oh Stock you mean the 386 or the K7?
[11:10] <crimsun> Kyral: initramfs is held back (I use aptitude)
[11:10] <crimsun> Kyral: either
[11:11] <Kyral> What would my kernel have to do with it...
[11:11] <crimsun> slomo: why would there be one? Dapper has 6.4. What does line 46 of your ~/.vimrc say?
[11:11] <Kyral> I have to reinstall LRM too...forgot about that...
[11:11] <crimsun> oh, syntax on?
[11:11] <slomo> crimsun: "syntax on", nothing else ;) i get the same error when doing "syntax on" in a running vim
[11:12] <slomo> i wonder why it looks in the 6.3 directories...
[11:12] <slomo> there's nothing about that in any config
[11:12] <Kyral> Okay here goes
[11:13] <crimsun> slomo: which vim packages do you have installed? I only have vim and vim-common
[11:14] <slomo> crimsun: vim, vim-gnome and vim-common
[11:14] <slomo> it happens with vim and gvim
[11:15] <crimsun> might be vim-gnome, then
[11:15] <crimsun> though I can't see why
[11:15] <slomo> let's purge vim-common and rdepends and see what a reinstall solve ;)
[11:15] <crimsun> yeah
[11:15] <crimsun> syn on works fine here
[11:16] <slomo> Hole:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main vim-common 1:6.3-078+1ubuntu3 [3424kB] 
[11:16] <slomo> hmmm
[11:16] <slomo> let's do an apt-get update before ;)
[11:16] <crimsun> hah, yeah
[11:17] <slomo> ok, now everything in 6.4 ;)
[11:17] <slomo> works fine
[11:17] <slomo> narf
[11:17] <slomo> =)
[11:17] <crimsun> excellent.
[11:18] <slomo> but the archives seem to be a bit flakey today anyway...
[11:18] <Kyral> crimsun: Same thing
[11:19] <Kyral> now can I please get outta this kernel. It irks me ;P
[11:19] <crimsun> Kyral: ok, then something's amiss in your /usr/lib/vlc
[11:19] <Kyral> should I nuke it?
[11:20] <crimsun> use vlc -vvv this tme
[11:20] <crimsun> time
[11:20] <Kyral> its the exact same output
[11:21] <crimsun> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3612 is mine
[11:21] <Kyral> I've gotta go to dinner. Which means I'm rebooting to my 2.6.13.4
[11:22] <Kyral> should I kill the /usr/lib/vlc dir?
[11:22] <crimsun> purging vlc takes care of that
[11:22] <crimsun> I'll need strace output instead
[11:22] <Kyral> After dinner mkay?
[11:22] <Kyral> I'm hungry
[11:32] <Kyral> crimsun if there is any output you want leave me a PMSG
[11:37] <ogra> slomo, cd /usr/share/vim/ && sudo rm -r vim63 &&  sudo ln -s vim64 vim63
[11:37] <ogra> slomo, ^^^ workaround
[11:37] <slomo> apt-get purge vim-common && apt-get update && apt-get install vim-gnome
[11:37] <slomo> imho a better fix ;)
[11:38] <slomo> i had some parts of 6.3 and some of 6.4... no idea why
[11:54] <ivoks> yeah! i love VPN :)