[12:03] Note to self....compress mail archives.... [12:04] Kyral: what, don't you want 5GB of mail? [12:04] note to self: get more harddrives for the server [12:04] Actually my /home is on a 260 GB partition.... [12:04] du -sch ~/Mail [12:04] 5.1G /home/ajmitch/Mail [12:04] 5.1G total [12:04] *cough* [12:04] way too much email there [12:04] lol [12:04] man === Kyral hands ajmitch the gzip command [12:05] that's just too much [12:05] tiber/revu is now operational with breezy! :) [12:05] eh? [12:05] ajmitch: you may reconnect now ;) [12:05] Yah I feel like an idiot [12:06] Yanno that gtkorphan package? I forgot to check with the original author to see if he planned to submit it to REVU >_< [12:06] Kyral: there are a few bz2 mail folders in there [12:06] Kyral: don't worry, he visits here as well [12:06] Yah but now I feel like an idiot ;P [12:15] Oh well no harm no foul [12:15] So who has already dist-upgraded to Dapper? ;P [12:16] hrhr [12:16] hrhr? === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] Kyral: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ [12:18] Kyral: can you see it yet? ;-) [12:18] Oh ooops ;P [12:18] Sorry, overeager I guess :D [12:20] there's not much to dist-upgrade to yet [12:20] good point [12:20] whats the first thing to do anyway.... [12:21] proxy server at work is going out of its way to annoy me today [12:23] okay, work for today done. gn8 folks! [12:23] cya [12:24] bye siretart === sistpoty is off to bed [12:31] gn8 folks [12:33] Judging by the amount of X Libs being uploaded, I'm thinking X is gonna break again.... [12:33] nah [12:33] hehe [12:33] Are we going to XOrg 7 with this one? [12:34] probably [12:34] Niiiiice [12:34] once all the bits are in place [12:34] we already have something similar [12:34] Yah 6.8 right? [12:34] 7.0 is just 6.9 with a modular build tree [12:34] and we have 6.8+cvs with modular build [12:35] Yah, I'm looking forward not to have to download a dozen drivers that I don't use [12:35] daniels is upstream for a fair bit of the build stuff :) [12:35] you don't have to now [12:35] Yah....what would happen if I remove one of the driver packs? [12:35] it should still work [12:35] it was split for a reason [12:35] (Seeing as I compile the NVidia Module from NVidia due to my custom kernel)\ [12:36] I still have to get that thing to load on boot.... [12:38] ogra: your buildlog thing eats dapper now, right? :-) [12:39] yay, managed to trim my mutt headers a bit [12:39] Nafallo, what ever lamonts daily.html spits out [12:39] now it looks a bit cleaner [12:39] :-) [12:42] gnargh [12:42] need food [12:45] oh good [12:45] DebianPatchFeeding [12:45] ajmitch: ? [12:45] much needed spec :P [12:45] looks like the page is on the BOF list [12:46] but dilinger hasn't finished writing the page === ajmitch needs to do some uploads.. [12:54] I'm working on lincvs [12:54] lol [12:54] why? as if daniels is finished with the buildds yet? ;-) [12:55] we need to get our fix === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.34.15] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o bhuvan] by ChanServ [01:11] hooray for dapper [01:11] any motu work to be done yet? === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] schweeb: I've started troughing through the rest of unmetdeps [01:13] (preferring syncs at this point) [01:13] I've got a bit more time to help this time around [01:18] I need to figureo out whether mako actually marked me as a member or not :P [01:18] *figure === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-41-252.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mirno [n=mirspcm@office.spcmnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] Hi [01:20] siretart: ping === TMM [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tifa [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] schweeb is a member at large [01:39] so, is dapper open? I got a bunch of emails from dapper-changes [01:40] LaserJock: yes :-) [01:40] but I can't see it at archive.ubuntu.com :-/ [01:41] did they just transfer subscriptions from breezy-changes ? I don't remember signing up for dapper-changes [01:41] yes :-) [01:42] who is Daniel Stone? [01:43] daniels? [01:43] oh, doh [01:43] :-P === alucard_ [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] is it just me or do we have an FTBFS'r'us in dapper? ;-) [01:56] Nafallo: that's the plan [01:57] :-) [01:57] so, where to start? :-P [01:57] just dive in [01:57] hopefully autosyncs start flooding soon [01:58] so far I've only seen manual uploads [01:58] ehm, that's what FTBFS, no? [01:59] hm? [01:59] just can't see them announced? [01:59] I don't see many FTBFS of recent uploads [02:00] I see a lot of FTBFS of stuff currently in the archive that's still broken [02:00] what's all the stuff like motor and xprint then? [02:00] motor | 2:3.4.0-3 | http://10.18.1.1 breezy/universe Packages [02:00] motor | 2:3.4.0-3 | http://10.18.1.1 breezy/universe Sources [02:00] *cough* [02:00] that's not an autosync [02:00] that's just the buildds having everything given back [02:01] hmm, oki :-P [02:02] why? to get breezy built for dapper? [02:02] because it's a reasonably automated process once the buildds are turned back on? [02:04] hmm, that probably means that I should stop looking :-) === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@adsl-68-255-185-158.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] good night all [02:08] alreayd past my timezone :) [02:08] gnight sivang :-) === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] Heya gang [02:46] bddebian: why haven't you started uploading yet?!? [02:47] haha [02:47] yes === Kyral falls [02:47] fix universe harder [02:47] ajmitch: Because I suck? :-) [02:47] Compiling VLC from Sid is harder than I thought === Fuji-san [i=Smith@d46120.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] hello [02:51] am i welcome here [02:51] no dutch people i hope :/ [02:51] Everyone is welcome here.. Except trolls of course :-) [02:51] yah [02:51] haha [02:52] And maybe us Americans ;-P [02:52] Go go Dapper! [02:52] i make alot of bad jokes but i'm not a troll [02:52] I hope my homebrew VLC backport works.... [02:52] :-) [02:52] i loive ubuntu :) [02:52] appending the ~ string to a version will allow any other official Ubuntu package to overwrite it? [02:53] oh shit JanC and Seveas are here :/ [02:53] the dutch are everywhere .. ':(( === Kyral looks at bddebian [02:53] Fuji-san, stop making a fool of yourself in every ubuntu channel please [02:53] You have any clue oh Most High MOTU? === ajmitch points bddebian to Kyral's question [02:54] Kyral: ? [02:54] ok Sepheebear [02:54] ok Seveas*** [02:54] if you dont bump the version [02:54] bddebian, I meant why Fuji-san is afraid of the dutch [02:54] Kyral: I've never seen ~ in a version [02:54] Kyral: Oh :-) [02:54] the same numbered version will overwrite it from the archive [02:54] The Backports use it [02:54] vs a local dpkg install [02:54] because i'm half chinese and china is taking alot of their jobs :) [02:54] that way it doesn't screw up [02:55] ie, ~ubp1 [02:55] im not sure what macro-economics has to do with motu [02:55] nothing tseng [02:56] its not railroad-era california [02:56] you also chinese tseng? [02:56] no. [02:56] ok [02:56] Fuji-san: it's rather irrelevant here [02:56] i know [02:56] i stopped [02:56] dont worry [02:58] So [02:58] How long until the current REVU queue is empty of VALID packages (I know two of mine aren't ;) ) [02:59] Kyral: how long is a piece of string? [02:59] how long did you cut it ;P [02:59] remember that it's MOTU time that's needed [02:59] thats a good question === rbelem [n=rodrigo@200.246.97.164] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] and I was just trying to change the topic of convo with that question ;P [03:00] i'm a kiwi btw [03:00] ;) [03:00] You're a fruit? [03:01] no, he's being silly [03:01] hehe [03:01] Aw screw VLC for now [03:01] I'll wait until the source packages for Dapper are done being uploaded === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] Xine and Totem can take up the slack [03:02] bddebian: merge bugs will start to get filed when autosyncs start [03:02] bddebian: so please, be patient [03:02] whats an autosync? === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] Kyral: an automatic sync from debian [03:02] ah [03:02] so from Sid to Dapper in this case? [03:03] ajmitch: :-) [03:03] Kyral: yes [03:03] ajmitch :-)) [03:03] i am enjoying introdeveloperdocs [03:03] ajmitch: I'm outta commish for a week or two anyway probably :-( [03:03] hehe [03:03] I'm just blindly doing whatever :D [03:03] bddebian: I'll be away for ~3 weeks === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487F5C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] bddebian AND ajmitch gone? :-P === chris__ [n=chris@d14-69-197-20.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] so nothing really to do until the autosyncs? [03:05] Nafallo: Yeah so you folks should actually be able to get something done.. ;-P [03:05] bddebian: ;-) === schweeb mumbles somthing about crashed hard drives [03:05] Nafallo: I'll be gone at UBZ [03:05] stupid server HD crashed :( [03:06] I;ll be there on Sunday D: [03:06] ajmitch: wouldn't you be gone after that aswell [03:06] ? [03:06] Nafallo: yes, I [03:06] I'm gone until the 17th [03:06] hopefully I can be active merging. [03:06] Don't worry I'll be here! *Waits for laughter* [03:07] Nafallo: yeah, I wish I could say the same [03:07] I'll be onlin until the 9th or 10th [03:07] so I can be uploading from UBZ [03:08] seems I'll be getting a practical place somewhere so I have no idea about computertime in the near future. [03:12] ajmitch: I blame my HD crash on you [03:12] ajmitch: or maybe tseng [03:12] schweeb: feel free [03:12] schweeb: I care about >< that much [03:12] ;) [03:12] ;) [03:13] i like you ajmitch [03:13] :) [03:13] no one likes ajmitch [03:13] schweeb: blar [03:13] schweeb: you are a member at large [03:13] schweeb: you're right [03:13] you arent even allowed in here [03:13] tseng: I'm back [03:13] I had a lot of work to do [03:13] i heard that before [03:13] busy moving tapes? [03:13] heh [03:13] I don't even have tapes anymore, bitch [03:14] I have CDLs [03:14] arent you fancy [03:14] they cost more than you're worth :p [03:14] i have something here for you [03:14] m|m? [03:14] yep [03:14] hrm? [03:15] heh [03:15] has anyone seen mez lately? [03:15] Not recently [03:15] nope [03:15] hmmm [03:15] whiprush: I pretty much lost all my server's data :( [03:15] we'll see him in a few days at UBZ [03:15] he's going to ubz right/ [03:15] yes, he will be there [03:15] schweeb: yeah i heard. sucks dude. [03:17] i cant find the damn picture [03:17] in ubuntu tags [03:17] tseng: a shame [03:17] oh [03:17] it's under udu tseng [03:18] the ajmitch is a dirty slut picture [03:18] schweeb: yes, that picture [03:18] the tag, is udu [03:18] hah === zakame [n=zakame@unaffiliated/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:18] AJMITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [03:18] I would use a word other than slut, but it's probably more against the CoC than slut [03:18] FRIEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [03:18] :P [03:18] oh first one too [03:18] schweeb: http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13477862/ HAVE SOME OF THAT [03:18] Fuji-san: please, stop being annoying [03:18] one channel is bad enough, let alone two === Fuji-san is now known as CHinese [03:19] took me long enough [03:19] damn dude [03:19] tseng: yes, you're becoming more useless in your old age === CHinese is now known as trulysorry [03:19] hello all :D [03:19] hi zaj === trulysorry is now known as wonthappenagain [03:19] oops === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o tseng] by ChanServ [03:19] hi zakame === wonthappenagain was kicked off #ubuntu-motu by tseng (knock it off) [03:19] thanks tseng === wonthappenagain [i=Smith@d46120.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] oh [03:20] autojoin [03:20] easy enough to deal with [03:20] :((( [03:20] hehe, I thought today was the CC meeting :)) [03:20] not that I heard [03:20] but I've been out of touch with meetings [03:20] pitty me i'm a moron who just wants to make friends :(( [03:21] fix your nick and quit screwing around, please. [03:21] ok === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o tseng] by tseng === wonthappenagain is now known as Fuji-san [03:21] http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13477834/in/photostream/ [03:22] i forget who was boning luis? [03:22] oh, him === zakame gets confused of TZs :( PHT is ahead of UTC ) [03:23] oh dear, not in -devel [03:23] jesus [03:24] hmmm, dapper's now accessible via apt... [03:24] great === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o tseng] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+b Fuji-san!*@*] by tseng [03:24] oh screw your irssi [03:25] s/your/you [03:25] try /kickban? === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+b *!*i=Smith@*.upc-d.chello.nl] by tseng === Fuji-san was kicked off #ubuntu-motu by tseng (tseng) [03:25] yes [03:25] (bob2 rocks, not a shred of mercy in that man) === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+b *!*@*.upc-d.chello.nl] by tseng [03:25] hows that [03:25] ouch [03:25] whiprush: #ubuntu beat out all his mercy [03:25] Better :) === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-b Fuji-san!*@*] by tseng [03:25] ajmitch: as it would anyone [03:25] is he g4g? [03:30] ehm, isn't that last ban the whole isp? :-P [03:30] Nafallo: oh well [03:30] I'm glad I'm not on that ISP then [03:31] indeed [03:32] *!*@*.upc-d.chello.nl <- OMG .. yeah the whole isp ... === chihau_ [n=chihau@200.54.132.71] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] haha [03:33] i wasnt feeling very generous === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-b *!*@*.upc-d.chello.nl] by tseng [03:34] thats sort of easy to get around [03:34] oh well. === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+oo Nafallo ajmitch] by tseng [03:35] for the ones that never sleep.. [03:35] who is bhuvan btw [03:36] :) [03:36] its me, Bhuvaneswaran === tseng waves [03:36] ? [03:37] i dont recall meeting you, so hi [03:37] yeah, we didn't! === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+t] by tseng [03:40] what else is horked [03:41] crap, now he's in kubuntu [03:41] sigh [03:41] crimsun: sounds like he's asking for a k-line [03:42] what an utter douchebag [03:42] he's been banned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-nl too [03:43] and all our work stops because of some irc trolls [03:43] fun [03:43] Bunch of meanies ;-) [03:43] bddebian: yes, we are [03:44] haha [03:44] and the one to bake our noodle's if he's in the wiki too :)) [03:44] zakame: don't suggest such things [03:45] ajmitch: sorry :(( === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === otep [n=otep@AP-203.167.31.158.sysads.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === daysleper [n=dayslepe@216-214-118.0501.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bur[n] er` [n=burner@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dredg [n=nsherida@c-24-6-175-100.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:23] now I guess I need to make my scripts more generic to handle both dapper & breezy [05:26] what scripts? [05:29] evil motu stuff [05:30] heh === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-16-175-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:36] ajmitch: ping [05:37] pong [05:37] Yagisan: what's up? [05:37] ajmitch: you attending the #ubuntu-hardened meeting ? [05:37] yes [05:37] you won't be, I take it? [05:38] ajmitch: I won't be able to make it :( [05:38] not at that hour [05:38] what issues do you want raised? [05:38] it's mainly talking about stuff to take to UBZ [05:38] ajmitch: actually - I just wanted to see if you could get me a copy of the logs [05:39] oh that's not a problem === Kyral [n=Linux@hamlin-160-3371.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:39] fairly trivial [05:40] ajmitch: thanks - I'm having some freenode issues - takes a while to get on [05:48] hey all [05:48] Heya bmonty [05:48] looks like I can start giving you guys debdiffs again :) [05:49] :-) [05:50] is mom started aswell? :-) [05:51] Nafallo: hold on, let me wake her up and ask her :P [05:51] heh [05:52] :-P [05:52] anyone else getting mail? ;-) [05:52] Nafallo: mail for..? [05:52] from katie :-) === ajmitch is hardly getting any mail [05:53] 20/min or so ;-) [05:53] I guess there's a bit of a lag between being subscribed & mail coming through [05:54] Nafallo: I had 88 messages for dapper-changes [05:55] bmonty: ubuntu-changes-auto [05:56] 649 and counting :-) === ajmitch is wgetting the mbox [05:58] does sharing a ccache between amd64 and i386 cause any issues ? [05:58] Nafallo: I worked out how to get distcc into the pbuilder as well [05:58] Yagisan: it might [05:58] Yagisan: but the object files will be completely different [05:59] ajmitch: ok - I'll keep them separate then [05:59] nice :-) [06:00] Nafallo: I'll send you the pbuilderrc after I finish a few more tests so you can see how I did it [06:01] Yagisan: doesn't distcc pick the appropriate crosscompiler as required? [06:01] Nafallo: then maybe someone more proficient with the wiki can update the pbuilder howto [06:01] Yagisan: I [06:01] Yagisan: sure :-) [06:01] er...I'd like to see you pbuilderrc also please === robitaille_ [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:02] bbiab [06:02] lol [06:02] bmonty: sure, I'll send it to you too. I don't think distcc picks cross compliers though (I only have 1 amd64, and a few slow i386 to test with) [06:03] 666 new mails in ubuntu-auto-changes :-P [06:04] Yagisan: thanks [06:04] I only have i386s so I have never had occasion to test, but I thought I remebered reading about crosscompilers in the docs [06:05] ajmitch: will mom file the bugs at malone now? [06:07] goodnight all! [06:07] bmonty: gnight :-) [06:08] Gnight bmonty [06:08] Good night bmonty [06:12] Seveas: those cloaks, are they for members or just motu? === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-173-146-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dereks [n=derek@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-077-222.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:29] Nafallo: why ask me? I'm just a lowly MOTU :) [06:30] ajmitch: cause you know everything? :-) [06:31] haha [06:31] nah, that's bddebian [06:32] hihi === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stone [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] Nah, I don't know shit :-) === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-104-117-223.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] bddebian: rubbish, you know all [06:39] isn't there a bbdebian is a god page on the wiki ? [06:39] yep [06:40] see, what more proof is needed :) [06:40] exactly [06:41] Bah \sh is just on crack :-) [06:41] well yeah [06:41] but you're still the one & only bddebian === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:42] Heh. I REALLY do want to change my nick. I'm thinking maybe bddumbass? ;-P [06:42] bdubuntu [06:42] well, now that you've done the "aka bddebian" in your -devel posts, you're stuck [06:42] maybe bdsm would be more appropriate for you ;) [06:43] ajmitch: :) [06:44] :( distcc is distributing jobs [06:44] s/is/isn't [06:46] *sigh* libg :-P [06:46] haha [07:01] has anybody been to MOTUTodo lately? [07:02] Nope :'-( [07:02] LaserJock: can't say I have === ajmitch watches spamassassin send the load average up === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o tritium] by ChanServ [07:03] yikes === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o tritium] by tritium [07:03] Heya tritium [07:03] hey bddebian === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o ajmitch] by ajmitch [07:03] hi tritium [07:03] hi ajmitch [07:04] What are you guys doing up so late? [07:04] late? [07:04] it's 6pm! [07:04] heh [07:04] 11 pm here [07:04] 7am :-) [07:04] Nafallo: you're just nuts [07:04] wow, Nafallo [07:04] 10pm. feels like 1am [07:05] 1am here.. Working :-( [07:05] shhh. I'm watching syslog recieve mail ;-). it's great fun :-). [07:05] Nafallo: you enjoy watching the changes roll in? [07:05] bddebian: your employer is cruel [07:05] Heh [07:05] bddebian: eugh [07:05] tritium: you're in Mountain time? [07:05] from time to time I get to update to :-) [07:05] LaserJock: yes, I am. [07:06] that siad, i'm logged into work over vpn [07:06] LaserJock: you're in Nevada, aren't you? [07:06] tritium: yes [07:06] I'm Pacific [07:06] would've thought you would have been too [07:06] I recall talking with you previously [07:06] No, I'm in Albuquerque [07:07] Too far from the coast, in the middle of the desert/mountains [07:07] and aw crap, everything's closed at 10m round here [07:07] pm* [07:07] screw getting food === tritium just read the latest MOTU meeting irclog [07:08] dredg: over here everything shuts by 6pm :( :'( [07:08] Yagisan: wow that sucks [07:09] Yagisan: i found out here that even fast food places close before the pub does [07:09] it's...odd [07:09] tritium: yeah yeah, I'm a slacker [07:09] ajmitch: no, I wasn't trying to imply that [07:10] tritium: Yeah, he is a slacker ;-P [07:10] I do agree with LaserJock's points [07:10] see, even bddebian agrees with me === bddebian hugs ahm [07:10] Err ajmitch even [07:10] :P [07:11] nah, ajmitch rocks [07:11] nah [07:11] I suck [07:11] dredg: it truly does. after 6, the only place to get food is the vending machine at the train station [07:12] darnit, now I'm getting hungry === tritium dreads going to work every day... [07:13] tritium: why's that? [07:13] Oh, it just sucks. Long story. === dredg ponders an #ubuntu-offtopic channel [07:14] how useful would one of those be? [07:14] there is one ;) [07:14] is there? [07:14] yes [07:14] it's called #ubuntu-mono [07:14] we're rarely on-topic here [07:14] there is two :-) (counting this one) [07:14] yeah, but I don't enjoy it at all [07:14] can I pass makeflags to .debs ? it seems that distcc IS working, but 1 job at a time to local host. [07:14] then three :-) [07:15] I thought that this channel was for off-topic ;-) [07:15] I think a blanket -j4 would get a nice test going [07:16] tritium: (http://www.google.com/jobs/index.html) === dredg stops whoring ;) [07:16] yeah, no kidding [07:17] Part of the long story is that I owe 3 years of my life to my current employer === ajmitch would rather work for canonical :) [07:17] :) === Yagisan is happy being the boss [07:18] fwiw, i can shove a cv or resume over the queuing process straight to a recruiter. but really, [07:19] dredg: In my experience, recruiters aren't there to get you a job, they are there to keep they vacancy open as long as they can [07:19] dredg: :) [07:19] so they can charge more money for "filling" it [07:19] dredg: you work at google? [07:19] Yagisan: right. in this case the recruiter works for google and their job is to hire more staff [07:20] tritium: yes === tritium has a cousin that works at google [07:21] dredg: I'm not a computer type, anyway [07:22] is MAKEOPTS a gentoo only flag ? === CaiN_SA [n=cain@rrba-146-94-75.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:23] tritium: no way. know what dept? [07:24] dredg: all I know is that he worked on the google toolbar for mozilla [07:24] ah, software eng. most likely i've never come in contact with him [07:25] What do you do? [07:25] sysop [07:25] cool [07:26] it's ok. i'm over here on training and my internal clock has had a meltdown === Yagisan sighs === Nafallo yawns [07:31] hmm [07:32] changes-auto stopped at libx? [07:32] looks like it [07:32] last one I have is libxml-xerces-perl [07:32] that means everything after libx is ubuntuX? ;-) [07:32] hah [07:33] no, it means that the syncs are done in batches [07:34] baah [07:34] I almost had a laugh :-P [07:35] Gnight gang [07:35] night bddebian [07:35] hehe 7:35 :-P [07:35] good night, bddebian [07:36] I should get some sleep too [07:37] good night, gang [07:37] night === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-0946.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:41] hello [07:41] crimsun: ping [07:41] ajmitch: ping :) [07:42] ivoks: pong [07:42] ajmitch: could we push libcvs to breezy-updates? [07:42] it can't be installed in breezy [07:42] and needs only rebuild [07:43] you have to ask mdz [07:43] he needs to manually approve each -updates debdiff [07:43] ok === dredg beds [07:52] damn brain thinks it's 7am tomorrow morning === zakame [n=zakame@unaffiliated/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [n=loic@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:30] hello === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@alabama.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub_ [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-5-30-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-51-39.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-27-175.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub_ is now known as hub === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [Chameleon] [n=Paul@131.191.39.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu === frans-th [n=frans@202.155.120.89] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] hi all [09:10] i want to participate with ubuntu branding derivative project for drake [09:11] can help [09:11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrandingForDerivatives [09:13] best to ask in #ubuntu-devel then [09:14] we just handle universe === ajmitch is not really sure what you're asking, either === frans-th [n=frans@202.155.120.89] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1DFE.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:29] wb dholbach [09:29] morning [09:29] hey zakame :) [09:30] night all [09:30] hi dholbach [09:30] sleep tight, hub [09:30] dholbach: when do you arrive in Montreal? [09:30] afternoon here :) [09:30] hub: ermmmmm, 29. 12:00 am or something [09:30] dholbach: ah ok. so ne pre-conf :-) [09:31] s/ne/no/ [09:31] c-ya later all [09:31] byebye hub :) [09:31] dholbach: ah, I'll be there at about 7am that morning :) === wazza [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089CCAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] <\sh> ok..something changed in upload handling? [10:13] morning all [10:14] \sh: no? [10:14] \sh: we're still on boring old katie [10:18] slomo: ping. Are we still moving forward with the ffmpeg migration to marillat's, or shall we ask for xvidcore (source) and libpostproc-dev (binary from ffmpeg) to be promoted to universe? [10:21] hrm weird ive got this usb card reader but when i wrote stuff to it, its there unthen disappears [10:21] weird === slomo_ [n=slomo@vpn-imt14.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CaiN_SA [n=cain@rrba-146-94-75.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === syouth [n=ilvez@raadio.ut.ee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:49] hi [10:51] are motu's like package maintainers and if i want to contribute some package to ubuntu main tree, i must be one? [10:51] syouth: MOTUs take care of Universe [10:51] "masters of the universe" [10:51] ok [10:51] but they are the entry point for ubuntu development [10:53] I describe what I would like to do. I had some cool fortune-mods under Gentoo, that were installed with portage. I would like to contribute those missing fortunes to Ubuntu too. What are my choices here? [10:53] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseNewPackagesPolicy are interesting reads for that [10:55] <_Tonio_> hi everyone [10:55] Ok, thanks. That's what I needed. [10:56] hi folks [10:57] <_Tonio_> does anyone has a good knowledge of scons ? [10:57] hi _Tonio_, siretart [10:57] huhu dholbach! [10:57] <_Tonio_> I'm trying to package codeine, but when the log file seems nice, the deb is empty of any lib or binary... [10:57] <_Tonio_> hi dholbach [10:58] dholbach: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseNewPackagesPolicy does not exist. [10:58] erm [10:58] MOTUNewPackagesPolicy maybe [10:59] yeah [11:00] crimsun: that is a very good question. I think slomo has done some research/overview about ffmpeg and xvidcore [11:00] <_Tonio_> hi siretart [11:00] crimsun: I'd really like to hear his opinion on this [11:00] hi _Tonio_! === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@vpn-imt14.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:01] hi SloMoSnail! 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Shall we have Thunar in Dapper? [12:24] might as well upload it [12:24] give people a choice :) === zyga is back from work :-) [12:25] crimsun, I think so === ajmitch watches zyga announce his return in every channel :P [12:25] probably 4.4 will be ready by dapper [12:25] oh so dapper is opened already? [12:25] janimo: by UVF? [12:25] yes === zyga needs to cut the number of channels a bit :/ [12:25] we've got about 1500 packages uploaded already [12:25] ajmitch, hopefully xfce stuff will get same treatement as kde and gnome [12:25] about 1200 of that is autosyncs [12:25] so beyond UVF [12:25] janimo: good luck getting an exception [12:26] ajmitch :) [12:26] well we synced xfce stuff after UVF in breezy too since it is universe [12:26] yes [12:26] so I think it will be ok\ [12:26] you got exceptions for all that, right? [12:27] because for universe we had a UVF policy [12:27] and we'll be stricter on it for dapper [12:27] it was universe stuff so were not quite exceptions [12:27] asked elmo and he synced [12:27] we still had the policy [12:27] I know dapper will be stricter [12:27] seems that most of the MOTUs chose to ignore it though [12:27] We'll see what we can do [12:27] probably with good reason [12:29] have a nice day all, I gotta go now === janimo [n=jani@brln-d9ba2d37.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa135.6.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] what sould I provide when syncing a package from debian ? using REVU as for new packages ? [12:43] autosync has been running for some time, pef [12:43] a sync? or a merge? [12:43] <\sh> siretart: can we use trac for tracking syncs for the moment? [12:44] <\sh> siretart: or merges? [12:44] don't we have bugzilla for merges? [12:44] once mom is active? [12:44] we hope so [12:44] dholbach: sync I think, Debian 's version of kcheckgmail is newer than dapper's version [12:44] then we don't need to track merges at two places [12:44] <\sh> dholbach: well...if you see that a merge is not necessary, and you can elmo sync a debian package... [12:45] then you can state that in the bug report :) [12:45] <\sh> pef: kcheckgmail is an ubuntu package? [12:45] dholbach: having 2+ places to track merges is less than efficient :) [12:45] and mark it pendingupload or something [12:45] \sh: yes [12:45] pef: it's a version, we changed? then we need to merge the changes to it [12:45] <\sh> pef: and the ubuntu changes are not vital for kcheckgmail? [12:45] pef: or at least check, if we can just get debian's package, which would be cool [12:46] dholbach: latest debian's package include last upstream version and is functionnal [12:47] does it have all our "impreovements"? :) [12:47] dholbach: like updated desktop file and things like this ? [12:48] yeah, everything [12:48] dholbach: I done this for breezy, but since breezy is closed everything not critical isn't accepted in to breezy-updates. I can do all modifications to debian's version [12:49] yeah, then we get it in for dapper [12:49] dapper is open [12:50] dholbach: so I should provide a debdiff against latest debian's version ? === jtan325 [n=jtan325@c-67-183-143-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:50] or upload your version to revu, yes [12:51] dholbach: someone here told me to get as close as possible to debian's version, so a debdif is better than a new upload [12:51] erm [12:52] if we want to upload something to the archive, we can't upload a debdiff, that's why i said it :) [12:52] <_Tonio_> dholbach: can we still upload to revu ? === crimsun dances. Fixed vlc. [12:52] of course [12:52] crimsun: YAY [12:52] :) [12:52] crimsun you rock [12:53] crimsun: good work [12:53] dholbach: and who can I contact to get a fixed version uploaded into breezy-updates ? without the fix the programm is unusable [12:53] sigh, now to wait til everything's available in Dapper :-) === ajmitch wouldn't mind a *working* dapper pbuilder [12:54] instead of 404 errors all over [12:55] except VLC is still busted here [12:55] Kyral: be patient! [12:55] yes [12:55] he beamed the fix directly to your pc [12:55] oh didn't get uploaded [12:55] over the mind-web [12:55] I can't upload vlc till all all the b-ds are available [12:55] Dude I just woke up gimme some slack ;P [12:55] the buildd has > 2000 packages to build :P [12:56] exactly [12:56] No caffine in the system yet ;P [12:56] < 7am, caffeine, 0 [12:56] yes. [12:56] <\sh> Betreff: sip4-qt3_4.3-1ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED [12:56] <\sh> Datum: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:55:05 +0100 (BST) (12:55 CEST) === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-oo Nafallo_away tseng] by tseng [12:57] <\sh> my first MAIN upload for dapper *yay* [12:57] \sh: yay breakage [12:57] \sh: yay breakage [12:57] btw i dont see any autosync action [12:57] Is this HOW-TO correct if I replace hoary with breezy ? [12:57] lucky you [12:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [12:57] tseng: ubuntu-changes-auto [12:57] that people keep talking about [12:57] ajmitch: sigh.. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] 8 AM Class, means I need to get up at 6:45 to get breakfast === ajmitch would like to do main uploads too [12:58] pef: get the version up on REVU (the complete one) and nag people to upload it === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] dholbach: already wrote a debdiff https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/kcheckgmail/+bug/2018 [01:01] pef: super [01:02] dholbach: but I think motu are very busy with dapper :] [01:02] pef: we'll manage [01:02] :) [01:02] erf :) [01:03] dholbach: for next TB meeting, to apply as a MOTU, I just have to add myself here https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev/+members ? [01:05] i think for 'motu' too [01:05] pef: you also need to turn up [01:06] Lathiat: sorry ? === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] (show up at the TB meeting) === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] Is the universe candidates uptodate [01:07] or have people already done the packages and haven't updated the wiki page? [01:07] StrikeForce: people should have updated it [01:08] yup [01:08] (sometimes they might not have been aware of it) [01:08] kk [01:08] I need to get my key signed if I want to register as an uploader ( according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU ). Who must sign my key? Someone inside Ubuntu team? [01:08] I'm still waiting for someone to REVU rufus :( [01:08] syouth: somebody in the closely connected set [01:08] Get Your Key Signed: Locate someone that lives near you and can meet with you to verify your id. I've used [WWW] http://www.biglumber.com/ [01:08] syouth: we don't require signed keys for revu [01:08] siretart: Oh. Ok then. [01:08] crimsun: oh, of course :) [01:09] syouth: but you should try to get your key signed anyway. You'll need that for membership anyway [01:09] Ok. [01:09] Does someone inside Debian team with signed GPG key counts? [01:09] sure [01:09] of course! [01:09] I think he's not developer or something, but a long time user and such [01:10] As I understand I need someone with signed key to sign me to get accepted to the web of signed keys. Is it something like that? [01:11] yes === jpetersen [n=jpeterse@p5088A197.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] Lathiat: cannot apply to MOTU team: MOTU is a restricted team. Only a team administrator can add new members. but I can apply to ubuntu-dev membership [01:13] yeh someone will add you to motu i think [01:13] So I have to find someone in my local area, who has that signed key. [01:14] It's a bit confusing [01:14] :) [01:16] pef: motu team is just for bug assignment, really [01:17] ohh ok [01:18] ubuntu-dev will be for uploading [01:19] ajmitch: to be a motu you must be a ubuntu-dev member, right ? [01:19] yes [01:19] ajmitch, not only for bug assigning ... also for feeling like a part of it :p [01:19] that's what will control uploading [01:19] ogra: oh sure :P [01:20] *g* [01:20] ogra: isn't the fame & the glory enough? === ajmitch gets busy making packages for debian [01:20] sure... but thats like your "MOTU passport" :) [01:20] siretart: But when I want to get membership, I need someone inside Ubuntu to sign my key? [01:21] syouth: someone in the strong set, not necessarily in ubuntu === jtan325 [n=jtan325@c-67-183-143-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] syouth, get his/her key id and check if there is *any* connection via the trustpath to someone in the strong set: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?STAT=A2D06936&STATS=statistics [01:22] that will suffice [01:23] back this afternoon (8h), cya folks. [01:24] ogra: big thanks, I will investigate :) === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F5C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jtan325 [n=jtan325@c-67-183-143-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] If i want to know my own fingerprint, then: gpg --fingerprint shows that? [01:33] yup [01:33] syouth: gpg --fingerprint your_keyid [01:34] Which is my key_id? [01:34] syouth: you know your key id right? [01:35] just gpg --fingerprint [01:35] Sorry for n00b questions... [01:35] syouth: otherwise, try your email address [01:35] I have key, yes. [01:35] the thing after 1024D will be your keyaddress [01:35] or 2048D or whatever [01:35] ok [01:35] 1024D/[8 numbers/letters] [01:35] the thing after "pub" :) [01:35] those 8 numbers/letters = your key ID [01:35] Thanks:) [01:37] Oh. Seems like I have old pgp keys in pgp.mit.edu .. Can I erase them, because I don't use them. I created them in some practial exercises at school. [01:37] no [01:37] or at least, not afaik === jtan325 [n=jtan325@c-67-183-143-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] if you still have those keys you can invalidate them [01:49] ('revoke' them) [01:49] always make revocation certificats to store in safe places... [01:50] I've learnt that now ;-) [01:50] I think we don't have anyone in Estonia in strong set:P [01:51] It was local gurus thought. [01:51] Or can you recall any developer from Estonia for example? [01:54] estonia = .ee, right? [01:54] Yeah. [01:55] great, we have a pqm deb now to control write access by email to baz & bzr branches :) [01:57] yay, pqm broken due to dodgy make dist in upstream ;) === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] So much for membership, but random movie suggestion for those who like scizofrenic and underground stuff from Japan - "Tetsuo" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096251/ :) [02:05] yay for autotools braindamage [02:11] syouth: I found a debian developer in latvia, I don't know if that's a possibility? [02:12] This is a slim possibility, but I consider that. You may give his/her name? [02:13] Aigars Mahinovs (aigarius) === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] JanC: it is, just mail him/her :) [02:14] they have to meet in person... === ajmitch is lucky to be around a number of DDs in dunedin [02:15] I'm not sure if I'm the 4th or 5th DD here [02:15] Yes, I know about meeting in person. That makes the thing so hard, if you don't have any trusted members in your home country ;) [02:15] syouth: I'm pretty sure there must be some [02:16] the problem is to find them ;) [02:16] Ok. I will go try to ask at another #linux.ee === jtan325 [n=jtan325@c-67-183-143-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:19] nobody went to the debian conference in finland? [02:20] I don't know. When was it? [02:20] JanC: no, it was empty there ;) [02:20] Treenaks: I mean from .ee :) [02:20] JanC: oh [02:20] where is .ee? [02:21] a small swim from .fi ;) [02:21] South from .fi and north to .lt [02:21] *north from [02:21] most north of the 3 baltic states [02:22] http://maps.google.com/maps?q=estonia&spn=16.254873,52.769531&hl=en === thesaltydog [n=yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] slomo_: I mailed you an email regarding plf, could you please proof read it? [02:29] hm, this is an ugly package I made :) [02:30] I guess our autobuilders are quite busy atm, are they? ;) [02:31] a little [02:31] hehe [02:31] there's a queue of ~1300 at last report [02:31] hm === ajmitch moves config-manager from recommends to depends [02:32] hm. vorlon filed an RC bugreport against a package of me.. [02:32] siretart: oh? [02:32] what did you break? [02:32] ajmitch: I didn't break anything, python and wxwidgets packages was renamed [02:32] right [02:32] ajmitch: so londonlaw is uninstallble in debian for now. I already prepared a fixed package, but I cannot test it yet [02:33] so you didn't upgrade in time :) [02:33] yet in 'right now' [02:33] yeah, was busy with university and breezy ;) [02:33] no excuse :P [02:33] syouth: debconf 5 was in july this year & several people went to estonia for one day, that would have been *the* oportunity to get your key signed... [02:38] So if 1 person in Estonia gets into this trusted cirle and that 1 person signes other persons here in Estonia, they are all in the trusted circle [02:38] syouth, yes [02:39] And if this one person somehow loses his/her key or something like that, all the others lose trust too.. === zakame [n=zakame@unaffiliated/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] no. What do you mean by "loses" [02:40] He can die, he revokes key ... something like that [02:40] if there's only 1 person linking the chain.. [02:40] then yes, the others wouldn't be linked to the strong set [02:41] which is why it's good to collect signatures [02:41] sy if his key is revoked and you are linked only to him, you will break your chain [02:43] Sounds logical... === derek_ [n=derek@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa135.6.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [n=yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Sto] === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-75-150-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ploum [n=ploum@85.201.2.96] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:53] Hello [02:53] anyone can tell me how to download the criawips package to test it ? [02:53] ploum: on REVU [02:53] apt-get install criawips ? [02:54] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=683 : I don't see any deb [02:54] source only on revu [02:55] since it's meant for reviewing packages [02:55] ah ! Thanks ajmitch, I understand [02:55] so grab the orig.tar.gz, the .dsc & the .diff.gz [02:55] and build [02:55] ajmitch, ok === Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] ajmitch: do you have access to a few i386 boxes and want to be a guinea pig ? [02:57] Yagisan: define 'a few' [02:57] mm.. shame on me but is there some doc on how to make this ? (I did some deb packages but it was a long time ago) [02:57] ajmitch: at least 2 [02:57] and what sort of guinea pig work is it? [02:57] ploum: simple way is to dpkg-source -x package.dsc [02:57] go into the directory [02:57] debuild [02:58] ajmitch: I need you to test my pbuilderrc and tell me if distcc fails on you with errors like: [02:58] ajmitch: /usr/bin/gcc /opt/chroots/pbuilder/ccache/i386/log.tmp.doomguy.20566.i on localhost failed === ajmitch doesn't have 2 fast machines === Yagisan was using sub 300Mhz boxes [02:58] thanks ajmitch :-) [02:59] ajmitch: basically, I grabbed random packages out of universe (wesnoth, vegastrike) to test with [02:59] hah [02:59] vegastrike is not small === ajmitch compiled that a few times [03:00] ajmitch: and they fail to build with distcc (all boxes a breezy) [03:00] ajmitch: please suggest a tiny package then :) I'm sure distcc will f*ck it up === thesaltydog [n=yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] heh [03:01] treecc, then :) [03:02] ajmitch: building now - lets see if that works [03:03] ajmitch: It failed [03:03] fun [03:04] ajmitch: would you (or anyone else) like to check my pbuilderrc and distcc to see if it is pebac or a broken package ? [03:04] show me the config then === ajmitch detests dcc [03:05] i just installed uw-imapd, and the version number is 2002edebian1-11sarge1, it is the right package, right? i can't recall seeing sarge in any of my ubuntu packages before. [03:06] highvoltage: that's probably right [03:06] uw-imapd | 7:2002edebian1-11sarge1 | http://10.18.1.1 breezy/universe Packages [03:06] ajmitch: ah, ok. thanks [03:07] ajmitch: want the failed build log from treecc too ? [03:07] Yagisan: sure [03:08] so configure went fine.. [03:08] mm, cdbs [03:09] it got through a few C files before choking & dying [03:10] ajmitch: yep, it happens with anything I build with distcc [03:10] distcc isn't saying much === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] ajmitch: be back in a sec === ajmitch confirmed that treecc builds fine as-is in a breezy pbuilder [03:12] I'd be worried if it didn't [03:12] and would have to lart the debian maintainer [03:14] <\sh> gcc: Depends: cpp (>= 4:4.0.2-1) but 4:4.0.1-3 is to be installed [03:14] <\sh> Depends: gcc-4.0 (>= 4.0.2-2) but 4.0.1-4ubuntu9 is to be installed [03:14] <\sh> GRRRR [03:16] ajmitch: all packages build fine without distcc :( [03:16] you're surprised? === ajmitch hasn't used distcc enough to tell [03:21] ajmitch: I'll try building with only ccache and no distcc [03:23] ajmitch: perfect build [03:23] k [03:24] ajmitch: when building unless otherwise specified it uses the default gcc which is 4 right ? [03:24] yes [03:25] ajmitch: ok - then I'm not having gcc mismatched versions [03:26] ajmitch: I'm going to build a pbuilder on the box at 192.168.1.1 to rule out hardware issues [03:33] <\sh> haha...rejected a bug [03:35] \sh: which one ? [03:36] <\sh> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wpasupplicant/+bug/3404 [03:36] oh that one === ajmitch looks at that earlier [03:37] but I didn't have my madwifi card on hand to test :) === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|work [n=jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan is still waiting for pbuilder create to finish on the k6/2 [03:40] <\sh> ajmitch: it works, but not with dhcp..because it tries somehow wpa2 first... [03:41] <\sh> ajmitch: but it's more an madwifi problem...it's fixed in the next version of madwifi [03:41] ok === markuman [n=supermar@p509263FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] <\sh> hmmm [03:42] <\sh> i made a mistake [03:42] <\sh> I put deb ... dapper in my sources.lsit [03:42] time for sleep, will be back in ~4 hrs :) [03:42] <\sh> rmpf [03:42] \sh: whats wrong with it [03:43] night ajmitch [03:43] <\sh> derek_: nothing...but toolchain is broken [03:43] ohh [03:45] hello folks === Mirno [n=mirspcm@office.spcmnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ninjew [n=ceaser@138.28.153.100] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan sighs - 5 pbuilder creates in a row on a ssslllloooowwww box and each time they are stuffed by a md5sum mismatch from breezy-security === Yagisan sighs, 6 times now. ajmitch - I'll tell you tomorrow if it is a hardware issue === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-75-150-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jtan325 [n=jtan325@c-67-183-143-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CaiN_SA [n=cain@rrba-146-94-75.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === YokoZar [n=scott@c-67-182-179-83.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] Wine 0.9 Beta just came out about 30 mins ago. I'm going to put together the Ubuntu package. ETA on the package will be 4 hours, since I need to finish D/Ling, compiling, and going to class for the day. [05:19] After that, perhaps we could discuss Wine 0.9 in Universe [05:19] YokoZar: we heard it in ONE channel [05:20] we now have http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU for reviewing packages [05:21] dholbach: forgot about this channel [05:21] I've been a bit homeless/without computer for a month [05:22] Just in time to miss Breezy's release, heh. [05:24] YokoZar: are you wine upstream? === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa135.6.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.76.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:30] siretart: yes [05:30] Can I close malone 3073? [05:30] But I make Ubuntu packages too, siretart [05:30] Lathiat, ? [05:30] HWolf: ? [05:30] Lathiat, malone 3073 should be closed, right? [05:31] YokoZar: aah, so I remember now [05:31] Ok, I'll be back in 3 hours or so, gotta go to class [05:31] i guess so [05:31] YokoZar: \sh was our wine hero so far [05:31] i mean what hes saying is valid [05:31] but [05:31] YokoZar: have fun! [05:31] its not [05:31] sortof [05:31] mysql-server wants an MTA [05:31] YokoZar, \sh uploaded your packages for the last release :) [05:31] end of story [05:32] Lathiat, notabug imho [05:32] its not a hula bug by any stretch of the imagination [05:32] ogra: Wow, what good news to hear while I was offline! I think he emailed me and I didn't read it yet. [05:32] ill mark it wontfix ? [05:32] i'll do it. :) [05:32] bah and i just logged in :) [05:32] rejected, priority: wontfix [05:33] :) [05:34] YokoZar, ys, i pointed him to you... for dapper you two should work together ... or even better you should finally become MOTU and get them in yourself ;) === Gazer [n=gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] YokoZar: if you have some packages which need to be reviewed/uploaded to ubuntu, just tell me or \sh. Or even better: upload them to revu ;) === oris_wolfbane is now known as oris === dredg [n=nsherida@216-239-45-4.google.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mirno [n=mirspcm@office.spcmnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa135.6.tellas.gr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] can someone review this ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=819 thanks ! [06:35] pef: I'm revu-building this for you [06:35] pef: version -1ubuntu1 without a -1? [06:39] it dapper open? [06:39] hub: yes [06:39] so they did resync from Debian? [06:39] hub: about 2000 packages [06:40] hub: it's not 'they', it's 'we' :) [06:40] siretart: sorry. [06:40] ok [06:40] siretart: wrong version, I'm reuploading a new [06:40] ;) [06:41] so one of my package on REVU may be there too as it has been upload to debian === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:45] hub: you should check this http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-changes-auto === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:47] siretart: corrected http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=820 [06:47] bbl [06:55] I'll get my key signed soon anyway [06:55] at UBZ [06:56] yay! :) [06:57] dholbach: given that I'm local, how else could I do that :-)\ === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-124-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dredg [n=nsherida@216-239-45-4.google.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jpetersen [n=jpeterse@p5088AA0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Vanguarde [n=Vanguard@186-28.244.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveaz [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@105.73.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [n=fabio@host146-147.pool8253.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:58] how can I get rid of a lot of these messages: debian: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (0) during pbuilder process? === ryu [n=chris@p5487EA18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=spacey@a82-93-13-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CaiN_SA [n=cain@rrba-146-94-75.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:10] <\sh> hmmm [08:11] <\sh> anyone has successfully build stuff in the last lets say 4 hours? [08:11] <\sh> since gcc-defaults synced? [08:11] crap [08:11] morning all [08:11] the broken keycode in breezy PowerPC did bite me === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervy [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sanpera [n=sanpera@157.182.43.184] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:30] Ok, what's the quickest way to go from a source package to the ready-to-compile/update state? [08:31] There's apt-get source (package) and then tar -xzf package.orig.tar.gz [08:31] apt-get source will unpack it for you [08:31] oh? [08:32] that's what it's intended for [08:32] Somehow I ended up with a .dsc and two tar.gz's [08:32] because it runs dpkg-source [08:32] eg.. [08:32] Fetched 966kB in 9s (98.4kB/s) [08:32] dpkg-source: extracting config-manager in config-manager-0.1p123 [08:32] dpkg-source: unpacking config-manager_0.1p123.orig.tar.gz [08:32] dpkg-source: applying ./config-manager_0.1p123-1.diff.gz [08:32] so you get a directory config-manager-0.1p123 [08:33] ok, here's what happened: didn't yet have build-essentials, so apt-get source bugged out [08:33] It should test for that [08:33] no, it's expected that you have build-essential [08:33] since it's essential.. [08:34] Well, yeah, it is === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] But, if it's essential, then why don't I have it, until I remember to install it after apt bugs out, eh? === Tifa [n=alucard@houseofshiny.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:35] Meh, not that important ;) === ryu [n=chris@p5487EA18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:42] <\sh> hehe..new pictures from ISH NOC ,-) === spacey [n=spacey@a82-93-13-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] \sh: if I have a couple of rpms, and I want to create a debian package that use them together with alien, and do a couple of postint stuff based on users' answers, how should I go about that? [08:49] <\sh> sivang: don't use rpm and repackage the stuff to a real package..and use debconf [08:50] \sh: I want to do this for the meanwhile, in the future that will be possible [08:50] \sh: currently I need to follow that path [08:51] \sh: it's possible, right? [08:51] <\sh> sivang: yes...but you need for user interaction debconf anyways [08:52] \sh: but currently I can't get the source rpms :) [08:52] <\sh> sivang: why not? [08:53] what package is uupdate in? [08:53] <\sh> sivang: but alien more for rpm deb conversion of the binary packages... === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:56] This is weird...why don't I have uupdate... [08:56] YokoZar: devscripts, I think === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:57] ahh, thanks [08:57] <\sh> YokoZar: you can forget about uupdate and the orig. wine tar.gzs :( the version is not matching our version scheme === herzi [n=herzi@d023160.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:59] That's why you specify -v to uupdate :) [08:59] <\sh> YokoZar: better to put the orig wine tar.gz into another wine_.orig.tar.gz and unpack it in debian/rules...how did I do it hmmm [08:59] <\sh> YokoZar: yeah...but I don't like it ;) [08:59] uupdate -v 0.9.0-winehq for the Wine Apt repository, where I'll put this thing first [09:00] <\sh> btw.... [09:01] Yeah? [09:01] <\sh> everybody knows who YokoZar is? Scott Ritchie, master of the wine hq deb packages...please welcome him warmly...he will become our new wine motu :) [09:01] amd64-wine? :-) [09:01] YokoZar: welcome! :-) [09:02] Nafallo: first things first. I'll probably see if I can get a 64 bit package working in the next few days or this weekend [09:02] It'll be more of an issue once Wine can actually run 64 bit windows apps, heh [09:02] <\sh> ok...I have to go to bed...tomorrow morning at 2UTC is my night over [09:02] :-) [09:02] \sh: gnight :-) [09:02] <\sh> YokoZar: good to have you on board :) and welcome to MOTU world :) [09:04] Nice to be here :) === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F5C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:06] <\sh> g'night guys...and good morning ajmitch I think ;) [09:06] \sh: why so early? [09:06] :) [09:06] \sh: good night :) [09:06] night \sh [09:06] <\sh> sivang: work tomorrow at 2UTC :( right now, the first shift of my colleagues are starting to work for our changes in our tv-cable :) [09:07] eek [09:07] 2am shift is evil [09:07] \sh: man, have a good night then brother - keep the faith [09:07] <\sh> sivang: yeah...see u all around tomorrow somehow :) [09:09] hi [09:10] hello [09:11] how are merge bugs looking? [09:11] are there more than the old ones? [09:11] i dont know [09:12] there are 44 [09:12] 12486 is the last [09:12] oh [09:13] hmmm [09:13] Time to reboot and see if she holds :D [09:14] MoM not running yet [09:14] Kyral: I wouldn't expect it [09:14] Oh? [09:14] Kyral: tell me how she did later :-) [09:14] 404 Errors, WTF? [09:15] Kyral: initramfs-tools got clobbered by debian merge, so if you re-ran update-initramfs or similar.. [09:15] I don't need an initrd ;P [09:15] I recompiled my kernel so all the stuff I need is in it [09:15] ill upgrade in a week or two maybe [09:15] good luck then :P [09:15] I can't even install new initramfs-tools :-) [09:15] tseng: things won't be much better then due to UBZ [09:15] I switched over to 2.6.13.4 [09:15] oh right [09:16] the buildd backlog will be cleared, but most merge work will still remain [09:16] so plenty of stuff might not even be installable === slomo [n=slomo@p5487F5C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:17] yay for random bug assigning === Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:18] someone assigning a scribus bug to MOTU [09:18] can have been me, somebody complained about a bug assigned to motu [09:18] when it's actually a launchpad thing [09:18] oh? launchpad? [09:18] dholbach: Hidde Brugmans ? [09:18] hiddenwolf? [09:18] dholbach: the scribus bug is complaining about the launchpad description [09:18] at [09:18] ah right [09:19] so that's who it is [09:19] Okay, here goes [09:20] #1481 btw === Tifa [n=alucard@houseofshiny.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Linux@hamlin-161-883.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] Aside from my normal reboot hiccups, no problems [09:25] hmm [09:25] shouldn't the swap be clean between each hibernation? ;-) [09:25] and GAIM just went [09:25] Did GAIM get updated? [09:26] Though my asshole friends maybe the cause, assholes found an exploit in GAIM that allows crashing === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:31] what the heck is up with my apt-proxy? [09:31] it is crappy software [09:31] fails, downloads 2, fails, downloads 2, etc... [09:31] lol [09:32] My ping is all over the place, WTF [09:34] Anyway everything is stable ATM [09:35] I should remake my swap :-P [09:35] ...why? [09:35] Swap: 956 382 574 [09:35] that's two hibernations... [09:35] Ah [09:36] I don't hibernate this thing [09:36] and WTF is up with my ping [09:36] why the hell doesn't it clean up after successfully woke up? [09:36] someone ping me, I can't believe what XChat right now [09:36] 4.171 seconds [09:37] 4.91 here [09:37] this is odd....either my college's internet conn is being flooded... === qt2 [n=qt2@pool-71-241-211-129.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] can anyone reproduce that hibernation problem btw? :-) [09:42] Anyone wanna venture a guess as to why there are two instances of GDM on my process list? [09:43] Kyral: you ran gdmflexiserver? [09:43] (hit ctrl-alt-f8) [09:44] There is something there, the error msg from X earlier [09:44] WTF is gdmflexiserver? [09:45] can you please take it easy on the WTF factor [09:45] esp. when someone is trying to help you [09:46] sorry ;P === tseng goes back to a 3 table SQL join [09:47] Kyral: starts a new X session on another display so a new user can login while the other is still logged in [09:47] Umm, seeing as I'm the only person who uses this computer, can I disable it somehow? [09:48] *shrug* [09:48] i have 2 also [09:48] that is the extent of my knowledge [09:48] probably threads [09:49] from when i was trying to make a FUSA-like thing [09:50] dapper has been open for ages & I still haven't done an upload [09:51] "ages" :) [09:51] in the world of MOTU it is :) === Kyral [n=Linux@hamlin-161-890.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:52] hehe === Amaranth will be getting his first package into dapper on thursday === ajmitch should upload his queued debian packages [09:54] although my package is heading for main so it's a little different === ajmitch doesn't plan any main uploads until UBZ [09:54] btw, since when did Packages.gz get updated before the files were acually in the archive? [09:54] since I've only got ~2 days :) [09:54] Okaay [09:55] Alsa went down [09:55] gah [09:55] dpkg-source: building gnue-common in gnue-common_0.6.1-1.diff.gz [09:55] Note to self, get a mixer ;P [09:55] dpkg-source: cannot represent change to .bzr/weaves/c7/lt.gmo-20051022093541-76dd51f19aa9010b.weave: binary file contents changed === ajmitch remembers to add -i.bzr :) === lazyb0y [n=henning@c224061.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@p5487F5C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:32] slomo: I bounced the email to slomo@ubuntu.com [10:33] siretart: weird... what was the subject? maybe spamassassin didn't like it [10:33] slomo: is mail@slomosnail.de obsoleted? [10:33] Subject: Collaboration with ubuntu [10:33] no... slomo@u.c is a forward to mail@slomosnail.de [10:34] strange [10:34] no... i didn't get the mail :( [10:34] please send it again [10:34] hm [10:34] I already bounced it to slomo@ubuntu.com [10:35] ah there it is [10:35] great. [10:35] hehe [10:35] consider it draft state [10:36] the mail is "From:" [10:36] ;) === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.35.156] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.35.156] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [10:36] "From:"? === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-0419.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] a, from nobody, that is because of strange bouncing ;) [10:37] yes... nothing ;) [10:37] hi [10:37] hi ivoks :) [10:38] hi ivoks [10:38] siretart: your mail to keyring@tiber was from nobody too [10:38] time for croatian loco :) === ivoks was busy creating hr loco team, so i wasn't here much [10:38] hi [10:39] hi ajmitch [10:39] hi ajmitch [10:42] gn8 folks! === mdz-phone [n=mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:43] gn8 siretart [10:45] slomo: hi. What are the plans for ffmpeg in Dapper? Are we migrating to Christian Marillat's packages, or are we going to ask for xvidcore (source) and libpostproc-dev (binary) to be promoted to universe? [10:46] crimsun: i plan to get marillat's ffmpeg into dapper... but this must be in multiverse. but we can promote libpostproc/libpostproc-dev to universe if needed [10:46] and isn't xvid already in universe? [10:47] oh, no [10:47] multiverse [10:47] well, if we migrate to Christian's ffmpeg, then we'll have to demote virtually everything that depends on its -dev binaries, too [10:48] just going off recent work, vlc would be neutered unless it, too, were demoted [10:49] yes but vlc must be in multiverse anyway... imho... [10:49] or faad2 can be promoted to universe ;) === Kyral ears perk up at the mention of VLC [10:50] Kyral: vlc | 0.8.4-svn20051025-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages [10:50] uhh [10:50] vlc [10:50] VLC media player 0.8.4-test1 Janus [10:50] Segmentation fault [10:50] it hasn't built yet on ppc, amd64, or ia64 due to libmodplugc2 not being available [10:50] Just installed it outta Dapper [10:51] crimsun: vlc contains the complete faad2 sources iirc... so it should be in multiverse. i don't know what else is in the sources... [10:51] but what other objections would you have against choosing marillat's ffmpeg and the multiverse demotion? [10:51] all other packages that are using ffmpeg now are nothing that important... only vlc is [10:52] slomo: I have no other objections if we're going to demote everything to multiverse [10:52] s/other//g [10:52] oh, vlc contains it's own ffmpeg copy? === Nafallo goes to sleep, gnight [10:52] slomo: currently yes [10:52] slomo: due to the libpostproc-dev mess [10:53] hm, is it allowed to promote binaries from multiverse to universe? [10:53] hmm [10:53] why is it segfaulting on me.... [10:54] It has to be something in my system, but what.... [10:54] rm -rf ~/.vlc [10:55] Wouldn't an aptitude purge do that? === herz1 [n=herzi@d005137.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:55] then paste me (paste.ubuntulinux.nl) the output from vlc -vv [10:55] no [10:55] nothing in ~/. is ever touched [10:56] crimsun: i planned to send a mail about ffmpeg and moving everything depending on it to multiverse to ubuntu-devel next week... maybe we can prepare this mail together so we don't miss a package ;) [10:56] slomo: sounds fine to me [10:57] and do you know other ffmpeg users that are not in multiverse? (except gst-ffmpeg) === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:58] kino and motion [10:58] (main and universe, respectively) [10:59] Lathiat, ping [10:59] hm... should these 2 be moved too? [10:59] or do they contain a legally clean ffmpeg? [11:00] err, n/m [11:00] they both have ffmpeg as a Recommends [11:01] (Suggests for kino) [11:01] so afaics, we're fine [11:01] yes [11:01] but i wonder how many packages like vlc are out there... which ship their own ffmpeg ;) [11:01] Kyral: uname -m [11:02] slomo: vlc is special-cased afaict [11:02] i686 [11:02] slomo: and that special case will go away once it's demoted [11:02] wait...why does it say that I'm on an Athlon K7.... [11:02] crimsun: other to-be-moved packages are gem, gnusound, lynkeos.app, motion, opencv, smilutils [11:02] crimsun: ok, so what about gst-ffmpeg? [11:03] crimsun: this one ships it's own ffmpeg version [11:03] anyone here able/willing to reply to a raging user? [11:03] slomo: but is that internal version specific to it? [11:04] crimsun: that's the question... hm, i'll take a look at it [11:04] Kyral: is this after you've cleaned ~/.vlc ? [11:04] HWolf: depends ;) [11:04] yah [11:05] ~./vlc doesn't exist, period [11:05] slomo, I closed a bug earlier, and got a mail which I have no clue how to deal with. [11:05] HWolf: hmm... a rude mail? ;) [11:05] I've got no clue what he's saying, even. [11:05] slomo, agressive, not rude. [11:06] You might want to pass along to the powers that be that I'm getting tired of FIGHTING "software that just works". As I sit here I am seriously contemplating going back to Engarde for my server purposes. [11:06] that's the politest bit. :) [11:06] But I still don't know what piont he was making. [11:06] Kyral: what cpu are you using? [11:07] Athlon XP 2700+ [11:07] HWolf: hehe... maybe give the mail to some native english speaker ;) [11:07] Kyral: did you purge vlc and wxvlc? [11:07] When I killed VLC, it took wxvlc with it [11:07] crimsun: gst-ffmpeg's ffmpeg seems to be the complete ffmpeg with maybe some changes... so -> multiverse imho [11:08] slomo, I'm doing an international english-language education, I can communicate professionally with over 60 nationalities, but this is just wrong. :) [11:08] slomo: ok === shutdownrunner [n=miles@nazgul2.kosson.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:08] Kyral: can you reproduce this on Breezy's stock kernel? [11:08] HWolf: lol ok... then answer his mail with a simple "what are you trying to tell me?" ;) [11:08] Uhh....I don't have a Breezy stock kernel anymore.... [11:09] I could reinstall it ;P [11:09] Kyral: or rather Dapper's, which is Breezy's atm... [11:09] ain't initrd stuff messed atm? [11:09] crimsun: i'll get a mail ready for next wednesday for moving everything to multiverse [11:09] btw... who broke vim? :( [11:09] vim works fine here [11:10] i get: Error detected while processing /home/slomo/.vimrc: [11:10] line 46: [11:10] E484: Can't open file /usr/share/vim/vim63/syntax/syntax.vim [11:10] at that line there is "syntax on" [11:10] oh Stock you mean the 386 or the K7? [11:10] Kyral: initramfs is held back (I use aptitude) [11:10] Kyral: either [11:11] What would my kernel have to do with it... [11:11] slomo: why would there be one? Dapper has 6.4. What does line 46 of your ~/.vimrc say? === jpetersen [n=jpeterse@p5088AA0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [11:11] I have to reinstall LRM too...forgot about that... [11:11] oh, syntax on? [11:11] crimsun: "syntax on", nothing else ;) i get the same error when doing "syntax on" in a running vim [11:12] i wonder why it looks in the 6.3 directories... [11:12] there's nothing about that in any config [11:12] Okay here goes [11:13] slomo: which vim packages do you have installed? I only have vim and vim-common [11:14] crimsun: vim, vim-gnome and vim-common [11:14] it happens with vim and gvim [11:15] might be vim-gnome, then [11:15] though I can't see why [11:15] let's purge vim-common and rdepends and see what a reinstall solve ;) [11:15] yeah [11:15] syn on works fine here [11:16] Hole:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main vim-common 1:6.3-078+1ubuntu3 [3424kB] [11:16] hmmm [11:16] let's do an apt-get update before ;) [11:16] hah, yeah === zakame [n=user@210.213.69.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:17] ok, now everything in 6.4 ;) [11:17] works fine [11:17] narf [11:17] =) [11:17] excellent. === Kyral [n=Linux@hamlin-161-902.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:18] but the archives seem to be a bit flakey today anyway... [11:18] crimsun: Same thing [11:19] now can I please get outta this kernel. It irks me ;P [11:19] Kyral: ok, then something's amiss in your /usr/lib/vlc [11:19] should I nuke it? [11:20] use vlc -vvv this tme [11:20] time [11:20] its the exact same output [11:21] http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3612 is mine === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F5C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:21] I've gotta go to dinner. Which means I'm rebooting to my 2.6.13.4 [11:22] should I kill the /usr/lib/vlc dir? [11:22] purging vlc takes care of that [11:22] I'll need strace output instead [11:22] After dinner mkay? [11:22] I'm hungry === zakame [n=zakame@unaffiliated/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === moyogo [n=moyogo@5pc104.ucu-vb.uu.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Linux@hamlin-161-902.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] crimsun if there is any output you want leave me a PMSG === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@lns01-0419.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:37] slomo, cd /usr/share/vim/ && sudo rm -r vim63 && sudo ln -s vim64 vim63 [11:37] slomo, ^^^ workaround [11:37] apt-get purge vim-common && apt-get update && apt-get install vim-gnome [11:37] imho a better fix ;) [11:38] i had some parts of 6.3 and some of 6.4... no idea why === lamont [n=lamont@mib.fc.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:54] yeah! i love VPN :)