[12:02] tseng: !?! It just gave me the 'this application has quit' dialog - no output at all... [12:03] pardon my ign, but how do I put footnotes in the ubuntu wiki page? [12:03] Hmm. I am trying to call a Makefile, and pass it a CFLAGS addition, without overwriting the CFLAGS that the Makefile itself adds to it. [12:04] tseng: See why I'm so mystified now? [12:05] tseng: I didn't mean to throw a red herring when I said "screwed up mono install" - I meant that my mono install was really messed up. Don't know how, don't know why - but it definitely is. [12:06] did you build anything from source [12:07] because ive had no reports in all this time of this behaviour from packages [12:07] tseng: Nope, all binary breezy packages. [12:07] i use them daily myself [12:08] tseng: I'm thinking that my base-install might have laid out the foundation for a really messed up system. I installed with debootstrab from a chroot under Agnula/Debian. [12:08] i see [12:08] tseng: However, I did follow the instructions from the wiki... [12:08] Is 2.6.13 going to be uploaded at any point in the near future? [12:08] Silly kernel module requires it. [12:08] wasabi_: no [12:08] Alas. [12:08] kernel 2.6.14 is the target for dapper [12:09] Hmm. [12:09] madsen: well i obviously cant speak to our software working on someone elses kernel and libc [12:09] But 2.6.13 isn't going to be up in the meantime? [12:09] tseng: No no, I installed breezy in the chroot. [12:10] uh [12:10] chroot doesnt boot a kernel [12:10] tseng: an entire breezy and then booted on it. [12:10] for starters [12:10] tseng: I know, but grub does. ;) === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-184.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] hm well if that sounds like the instigating factor id like to hear how it works in a native breezy [12:11] i dont have any other clues, first ive heard of it [12:11] wasabi_: 2.6.14_rcX will go in [12:11] tseng: Uh, I think you lost me there... [12:11] tseng, okay, awesome... just don't know the timeframe? [12:11] wasabi_: nope, not my baby [12:11] I wonder only because I'm packaging a kernel module that requires > .13 [12:11] wasabi_: sorry [12:11] K. [12:12] madsen: well, when debugging a problem, you normally try to elimante potential causes of the problem one at a time until it works.. [12:12] madsen: you've only proposed one so far === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] tseng: Well, it works fine on breezy installed from CD - as you know. [12:13] well then [12:13] tseng: But I can't install from cd because I have no cds... [12:14] can you please try to track down the problem factor between the cd and the chroot [12:14] because i have mono in a chroot also [12:14] it works. [12:14] tseng: I've been trying to do exactly that for 3 days... [12:16] tseng: I debootstrapped hda3, chrooted to it and installed linux-686 and ubuntu-desktop, booted and it seemed to work. Then I installed banshee and encountered these problems... [12:17] im at a loss pending another clue, both methods work for me [12:17] tseng: I've tracked the problem to having to do with mono, since even "hello world" in c# is acting weird... [12:17] what does hello world do? [12:18] same problem? [12:18] it echo'es "hello world" but doesn't exit... [12:18] same goes when I compile hello world with mcs. [12:18] what hello world? can you paste the code somehwere? [12:18] (not in this channel) [12:18] slomo: Sure [12:19] pastebin again, please :) [12:19] http://rafb.net/paste/results/Yvwqmd70.html === tseng notes that ajmitch also uses extensive chrooting of mono crack [12:19] ajmitch: I know. :) I'm not a newb. :) [12:19] from bootstrap [12:20] madsen: ok, nothing wrong with it ;) hmm [12:20] Woh! [12:21] Just did an strace on the execution of hello world... [12:21] A whole lot of nanosleep there... === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] stracing mono is useless [12:21] tseng: Apparently... Unless it has to do with missing files. [12:21] as i said those files missing is non-critical [12:22] tseng: I know, but _sometimes_ they're not. :) [12:22] elmo: please sync os-prober, when you have time out from the meeting [12:23] I'm really, really confused here - I hope you see why. [12:23] yes, you've managed to confuse me [12:23] same here [12:23] tseng: lol! Sorry about that. [12:23] slomo: --^ [12:24] I've also tried with a brand new user - same problems. === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-173-146-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] madsen: hm, a guess... try apt-get --reinstall install mono-classlib-1.0 [12:24] madsen: we fixed that already but maybe you got that bug... [12:24] no idea [12:25] slomo: I did that 12 hours ago... [12:25] hm [12:25] slomo: Could it be that the fix could in some way have _not_ reached the mirrors? [12:26] it has [12:26] Oh wait, I'm using archive.ubuntu.com... [12:29] Hmm, interesting... beagled is able to get to the main loop before it dies with the same error as the others. [12:29] ok... [12:29] At least it says to in the log. [12:29] madsen: http://slomosnail.de/~slomo/test.exe [12:30] madsen: does this show an empty window? or does it crash before? [12:30] hm yes, gtk# bug [12:30] (possibly) [12:30] slomo: It shows an empty window. [12:30] hum [12:30] slomo: and hangs when I close it (like hello world). [12:31] yes, that's normal ;) i was too lazy [12:31] but hello world shouldn't hang [12:34] tseng: any other ideas? [12:34] no =/ [12:34] "install normally" [12:34] it would be great to have an error to go by [12:34] tseng: Not an option atm. I don't have any cd's - only an iso image a friend messed up and burned (as a file) on a cd. [12:35] madsen: reget that file and run it... what does happen? [12:35] slomo: nothing, it just hangs... [12:35] wtf [12:35] no window now? [12:35] tseng: just a empty writeline [12:35] Nope, nothing. [12:35] oh [12:36] madsen: and this one? [12:36] slomo: still nothing [12:36] madsen: but it exits? [12:36] slomo: nope [12:37] madsen: this one? === nappy754 [n=nappy754@c-24-16-173-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] starting to sound like funky jit? [12:37] slomo: Arg, wait a sec, I messed up... I kept wgetting them, but not deleting the old... :( :( :( === madsen slaps himself. [12:38] since the non-exiting gtk# bit shows something [12:38] ok, test all you got ;) [12:38] slomo: The last one exits, but I don't know about the previous one - I deleted it. :( [12:39] ok, test this one [12:39] slomo: Not exiting. [12:40] this one? === robertj_ is now known as robertj === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz is now known as vuntzZz [12:40] slomo: exits [12:40] ok [12:40] slomo: Getting somewhere? [12:40] seems like your mono keeps some threads around [12:40] which shouldn't be there [12:40] hmm [12:41] Hmm indeed... [12:42] Should I try a non-breezy mono perhaps - or will that give too many problems with libs and stuff? [12:42] hm, you could try mono 1.1.9 from debian unstable [12:43] slomo: Just the one package or the whole shabang? [12:44] slomo: I'll try as little as possible first... mono, mono-common and mono-jit... [12:44] madsen: and mono-classlib-1.0 [12:45] slomo: Oh yeah, that too. :) === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-124-72.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tseng wonders why this is a good idea [12:48] tseng: why is it a bad idea? [12:48] because his system will end up even further off the mark [12:48] he can reinstall the old breezy versions later if it doesn't work [12:48] and it wont tell us very much [12:49] ( was reinstalling the key alone? was it one of the many changes between 1.1.8 and 1.1.9.x? is it ubuntu vs debian bug? ) [12:49] not to discourage, just wondering [12:49] tseng: Indeed. :( But I'm mystified to the point that I'm starting to think "just work dammit!"... I've spent the last 3 days trying to figure this out. [12:50] tseng: but when it works (which i doubt) we have a direction where to look at... [12:50] and he tried to reinstall before... didn't help [12:50] works for me. [12:50] tseng: Once I actually get my breezy cds I'll of course try those - no matter if the debian packages work or not. [12:51] madsen: great :) i hope you have good luck with those [12:51] tseng: Me too - otherwise I'll be ubuntu-scared for the rest of my life... :-p [12:52] K, got the debian packages - now for the install, which will probable complain a lot... [12:52] hm the packages arent far apart [12:52] Woh! No complains at all! :) [12:53] And now I'm getting a new error with banshee, but 'beagle-settings' work! :) :) [12:53] what error with banshee? [12:53] and does monodoc for example work? [12:53] Unhandled Exception: DBus.DBusException: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-MofjP4qFhA: Connection refused [12:53] ugly dbus [12:53] slomo: I haven't installed monodoc yet. [12:53] slomo: Indeed. [12:54] logout and login again... or even reboot ;) [12:54] slomo: Yeah, I'll just configure beagle and take a moment to be happy that _something_ actually works. :) === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60318.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] Ok, installing monodoc - it'll take quite a while, I'm on a 256k connection. :( [12:58] Ok, so with a minimal number of mono packages from debian unstable, it seems to work ... better at least... :) [12:58] better? [12:58] what works better and what doesn't work ;) [12:58] slomo: Well, I haven't tested banshee and monodoc yet. :) [12:58] slomo: I just didn't want to be too bold. ;) [12:59] In a minute I can tell you if monodoc works. [01:00] slomo: monodoc works! :D [01:00] hmmm [01:01] Gotta log out and back in to test banshee... Brb! [01:01] wait [01:01] are you on x86 or amd64? [01:02] slomo: he said x86 earlier [01:02] ok [01:03] hmm, maybe nptl problems... debian doesn't use it for !amd64 [01:03] Yup, x86 === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] Damn, gnome still takes 10 minutes to just log me in... [01:03] yum [01:04] slomo: nptl? [01:05] madsen: google ;) native posix thread library [01:05] slomo: Oh [01:06] hmm, we could test it... [01:06] wait [01:06] slomo: mind if I do a reboot? Dbus is still acting up. :-/ [01:06] no... just come back ;) [01:07] slomo: I will stay here all the time. :) (screen + irssi) ;)~ [01:07] Brb! [01:07] ok [01:10] back! [01:11] ok, wait some minutes please [01:11] K, I'm not in a hurry. :) === madsen will go get some cigarettes then. === mpt is momentarily confused by a reference to Max Zimmerman [01:13] a secret brother ? [01:14] maybe [01:14] like Brad Shuttleworth [01:15] heh [01:15] he's not this secret ... [01:17] night all === sfvt_ [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] mpt, did you know that bob dylans real last name is also zimmerman *and* he also plays guitar ... you'll never know the secrets of mdz ;) [01:21] Hmm, still getting dbus errors... === cevizoglu [n=cevizogl@nat1.supportsoft.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] hmm [01:25] s/secrets/secret relations/ === thirso [n=th@200.217.82.18] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] madsen: please try the relevant packages from http://slomosnail.de/~slomo/mono/ [01:34] madsen: is the problem coming back? [01:34] slomo: K! [01:34] enjoy at UBZ! [01:34] slomo: I'll grab them right away. [01:34] madsen: and i'll go to bed now... please report here anyway :) i'll read it tomorrow... good night everybody :) [01:36] slomo: K! Sleep tight - and thanks for all the help! :) === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] slomo: Yes, the problem is back... :-/ [01:39] fine... what kernel are you running? [01:39] (still here =) ) [01:40] 2.6.12-9-686 [01:41] so breezy kernel... weird [01:41] i'll think about it and tell you tomorrow :) === slomo disappears [01:41] slomo: hehe. 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[03:56] Busy :-( You? [03:56] busier [03:58] Touche [04:00] got a todo list a mile long before friday [04:00] Bah, mine is RL work :'-( === ajmitch also [04:01] Oh :-) [04:01] cya in .ca === fabbione & [04:01] bye fabbione === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === jbailey [n=jbailey@testhaus.cns.utoronto.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@HSE-Toronto-ppp176543.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfvt_ [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === _nomeata [i=jojo@tor/session/x-1cd723e8768c93ba] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _nomeata is now known as nomeata === BenC_ [n=bcollins@www.swissdisk.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] daniels: libxaw hates me... /usr/bin/ld: .libs/libXaw6.la-43.o(.text.1+0x3e8f0): cannot reach 00000038_XtSetTypeConverter+0, recompile with -ffunction-sections === daniels shrugs. [04:45] fix your toolchain? [04:45] or do I really need to put -ffunction-sections in every lib I have for hppa? [04:47] err [04:47] we have libdirectfb-dev in main? === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:49] daniels: so far it's just libxaw and boost, it appears. [04:50] boost is the root of much, if not all, evil. [04:50] it's a toolchain issue with a non-trivial fix (as in, I'm not sure they understand the best way to make it go away...) [04:50] you can upload to fix it if it's really bothering you; my machine is slammed with other things (primarily mesa) [04:50] infinity: women are the root of all evil. boost must just be most. [04:50] daniels: ok. I'll probably upload something that adds -ffunction-sections on hppa (and mips, I gather... not that ubuntu cares...) [04:51] lamont-away: okay [04:51] you need a diff when I get ther? === lamont-away will file bugs and such... [04:51] lamont-away : May as well do the Debian arches too, in case gravity decides to sync from our packaging. [04:51] yeah [04:52] gravity is syncing from our packaging [04:52] lamont-away: diff will be useful but not essential [04:52] infinity: are you going to UBZ? [04:52] daniels: I'll stick it in the bug, I expect. [04:52] minghua : Yup. [04:53] lamont-away: thanks [04:53] infinity: I was thinking of writing something up about SCIM support on wiki [04:53] infinity: so if I do write it, you are going to be there selling it/getting feedback/etc.? [04:53] minghua : Well, I believe I'm leading a BOF about input methods, so anything you have to add would be nice, ezpecially if you can't be there in person. [04:54] infinity: cool, I'll definitely write up a page on wiki then [04:54] infinity: I would like to go, but I don't have vacations [04:54] minghua : Thanks. Mail me at adconrad@ubuntu.com with a pointer to it when you're done. :) [04:54] infinity: sure [04:55] infinity: where should I put it? does DapperGoals sound a good place? [04:56] Hrm. [04:56] or do you have a page for your BOF? [04:56] mdz: any chance of getting hppa/sparc into bz's architecture list? [04:57] minghua ; There's an InputMethods page... That's not the BOF page, though. [04:57] infinity: it's not going to be a user guide for scim, I don't have time for that [04:57] minghua : Oh, but the BOF links to that page currently. [04:58] infinity: it's just going to be "what does scim provide, what does debian currently have, and what I/we plan to do in additional to debian" type of thing [04:58] minghua : Look at InputMethods, and if you have stuff to add to that, just make your own section and babble in it. [04:58] minghua : I'll write a formal spec at UBZ, but I can't be bothered starting one now. [04:58] infinity: all right, I'll put something either in or under InputMethods [05:02] daniels: 18483, assigned to me === lu|brb [n=louie@c-66-31-46-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lu|brb is now known as luis__ [05:04] is there a dapper weather report? [05:04] like, 'stormy- hold off on updates', or 'clear skies- update now', or...? [05:05] ... [05:05] How about "we just uploaded and built 2000 random source packages, and we have no clue if any of it works" [05:05] Does that help? [05:06] Heh [05:06] well, yes, that helps me personally ;) but I was wondering if there were a more public news-y source that mentioned those kinds of things, that could be monitored instead of poking the channel [05:06] luis__: the first month or two tend to be fraught with peril. [05:06] (mozilla used to do such a thing for HEAD, but gave up because it was fairly resource intensive for them) [05:06] lamont-away: I think that's a twiddle-in-the-db sort of operation [05:06] lamont-away: it should appear in malone fairly soon though [05:07] luis__: it's a development release... anything before UVF is something that developers want to install on a test box long before they put it on any machine they care about, and users really don't want ot mess with.. === bddebian wonders if that is like twiddle-dee-dee [05:07] lamont-away: I'm not a total newb, thanks ;) [05:07] luis__ : Subscribe to dapper-changes and ubuntu-changes-auto if you want to see what's going in on any given day. [05:07] luis__ : If you had done that two days ago, your INBOX would be flooded right now. === lamont-away takes one 'dee' from bddebian [05:08] === luis__ really wants a new mono, but fears the rest of the associated pain [05:08] infinity: I only have 1MB of dapper-changes... hardly anything. :-) [05:08] breezy finished out at 59MB [05:08] and hoary only had 21MB... that's a scary trend. [05:09] 40MB of that being X changes ;) [05:09] lamont-away : Well, yes, the people who whined to me about -changes got an earful about builg log mail. :) === lamont-away blames daniels and xorg === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:09] Hmm. Isn't there some simple daemon tool to make init scripts that just launch and monitor simple commands? [05:09] infinity: yea, verily [05:09] wasabi: start-stop-daemon [05:09] :-) [05:09] That will watch? [05:09] No. [05:09] I need to monitor for death. [05:09] no [05:10] You want daemon-tools, but without the djb crack associated with it. [05:10] Someone must have NIHd it by now. [05:12] wasabi : runit, perhaps? [05:12] Hmm. Cool. [05:13] wasabi, see monit: http://www.tildeslash.com/monit/ [05:13] Another daemontools-alike... [05:14] Though, it seems a bit more..bloated. [05:16] ugh, daemontools [05:16] The conecept doesn't irk me nearly as much as the implementation. [05:17] well, the usual djb NIH [05:17] 'unix? what's that?' [05:17] That fact that runit does daemontools-like things, but in a SysV init system makes it pretty attractive. [05:17] see, in a sysv system, makes it far better already. plus its author presumably isn't as much of a useless tool. [05:17] I'll admit to never having installed runit, though, it just looks neat on paper. :) [05:17] Trying to make a dirt easy init process for vblade (AoE) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [05:27] hm [05:27] what's this new multi-contributor changelog format we're all supposed to be using or something? [05:28] dch creates it automagically if it detects a need. [05:29] oh, so it does. neat. [05:29] I, personally, detest the format. But whatever. :) [05:30] i thought it was meant to be a ' -- Foo Bar [date] ' for everyone [05:30] That would break the changelog format in horrible ways. [05:31] This is non-intrusive and works with older parsers. [05:32] infinity: just for curiosity, what is the format you want? [05:32] minghua : The one I use. :) [05:33] * Contributor One [05:33] - Changed stuff [05:33] * Contributor Two [05:33] - Changed other stuff [05:34] I see [05:34] But, to each their own. [05:34] It's irritating that the devscripts format removes the email address for all but the uploader. [05:35] isn't that basically how everyone has done it in Debian for a thousand years? [05:35] Makes it harder to hunt down the person responsible for change Foo. [05:35] perfect :-) [05:35] maybe the devscripts maintainer can be persuade to use [Contributor one ] in the current format? [05:36] Yeah, probably, but I've never bothered to file a bug (or change devscripts in Ubuntu to be gratuitously different), because I just don't care that much. :) === infinity decides it's time to go shopping for UBZ supplies. [05:39] booze? [05:41] No, I'll get that in Canada. :) [05:41] I need a new backpack, though. [05:41] And a haircut. [05:41] mullet? [05:42] I figure Mark's shallow enough that if I want to talk about money, I best be looking.. Well.. Dapper. [05:43] La la la. === infinity hopes he can take a joke. :) [05:44] mullet... business in front, party out back! [05:45] Uhm [05:45] loooooong at the back [05:45] but short at the sides [05:45] HrdwrBoB : I think a reverse mullet would be more fun. [05:46] infinity: hmmm? [05:46] Uh oh [05:46] So much for the "make fun of the boss while he's asleep" scenario. :) [05:46] heh [05:47] infinity: i never really sleep, you know [05:47] Join the club. [05:48] Anyhow, I better go get my head blinged, now that I've made a big deal of it. [05:49] it'd better be a mullet, or we'll all be very disappointed. [05:49] bonus points if you go the westie variant, and shave off everything but a ratty fringe and the back mullety bit [05:50] daniels: don't forget to take pictures [05:50] I seriously wish my hair was long enough to do a reverse mullet. [05:50] Just for a day [05:55] sabdfl : If I get a really fantastic haircut with an Ubuntu logo shaved in it, can I talk you into buying hppa buildds for the DC? :0 [05:55] heh [05:57] ubuntu on top, kubuntu and edubuntu on the sides [05:57] and buntu or something on the back [05:57] With an as-yet-undetermined server logo tattooed on my forehead? [05:58] the server logo has to actually be 2U big, on your head [05:58] none of this miniaturisation crap [05:58] That could be tough. [05:59] (to which the obvious rejoinder is, 'well, you do have a big head.') [06:00] infinity: if you can get LAMONT to get a really fantastic haircut... [06:00] I don't think that can be done. [06:01] I could give him one in his sleep, though. [06:01] maybe we could dreadlock bob2's hair into the ubuntu logo [06:01] that would be phat [06:01] sabdfl: depends on how permanent it is... [06:01] I've never had a permanent haircut... [06:02] We could scalp you, I suppose. [06:02] heh [06:02] 'surprise! you've got no head!' [06:02] that's semi-permanent, yes [06:02] hrm... I think my hair is long enough to do a tropical-fish dew for the day... [06:03] argh === lamont-away hands dilinger a pirate keyboary [06:03] d [06:03] files list file for package `gnome-applets-data' contains empty filename [06:03] Errors were encountered while processing: [06:03] /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-applets-data_2.12.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb [06:03] this machine's hung twice during this dist-upgrade [06:03] dilinger: way cool. [06:04] and now it looks like ext3 is going to stage a revolt :/ [06:04] i wonder if anyone would notice if I added XK_yarr to keysymdef.h, rebuilt libx11 against it, and changed the default keymap to 'pirate' one day [06:04] every key -> skull and crossbones [06:04] sabdfl: although it would be kinda cool to run ubuntu-server on hp's superdome [06:05] lamont-away: in the hair department, i'm learning that nothing is permanent [06:05] sabdfl: pulling it out does not count as 'balding'. :-) === lamont considers his hairline, shuts up. [06:06] that ship sailed long ago for me [06:06] i can't even dpkg --purge --force-all gnome-applets-data [06:06] hrmph. [06:06] i still retain my beautiful flowing locks [06:07] thats because you're, like, 12 [06:07]