=== poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-184.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jbailey [n=jbailey@testhaus.cns.utoronto.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:52] started to work on a spec for Adept User Guide and added section to DocteamProjects === jjesse [n=trillian@69-87-140-151.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=trillian@69-87-140-151.async.iserv.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [06:20] night all === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kevogod [n=kevogod@68-115-7-181.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:20] fiction --> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#addingbackports [08:22] kevogod, why do you say that? [08:22] kevogod, dapper has not yet even opened [08:22] breezy-backports does not exist [08:22] yes, but that is a temporary thing [08:22] file a bug about needing a note for next time [08:22] well [08:23] stating "Backports may not start right away" [08:23] Burgundavia: what are the plans with svn & bzr? [08:23] ajmitch, no idea [08:23] we have talked about it [08:23] I found this & felt like trying to port it to bzr - http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.r.c.geldart/projects/barter/screenshots.html === ajmitch kills off his nautilus & tries it [08:24] yes, that looks very cool [08:24] I spoke to the developer of that a couple of months ago [08:24] ah cool [08:24] hm, icons are missing [08:25] but the 5-minute package I did seems to have worked [08:25] bbiab [08:33] hello [08:35] kevogod, no they are not yet, but will be eventually. When we write the doc we need to take everything into account, and after a certain date (string freeze) we cannot add/change the docs so it was a case of either include it now or never [08:36] and seeing as backports are an official project, and it is a faq when backports are available [08:37] and it does no harm really to include it when they are not :) [08:37] They receive an error message. [08:37] And it does not work. [08:38] yep [08:38] no harm though [08:38] To the computer, no. === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:38] To the reliability of th e the document, yes. [08:38] before the review there was a note there about the issue. it was removed during review [08:39] oops [08:39] iirc [08:39] we should probably have a comment abut that for dapper [08:39] yeah [08:39] bbl baby needs feeding [08:39] What is the schedule for backports, anyway? [08:39] kevogod, no idea, we are the wrong people to ask [08:40] kevogod, you need to talk to Mez === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:53] kevogod, it is not an error with the doc, it is an error with the backports, the archive should have been created [08:54] They go hand in hand, IMHO. [08:55] no, it is a bug with backports [08:55] we can't represent all bugs in our documentation [08:55] It is not necessarily an error in theory in the document. [08:55] there are plenty of errors in that document, but this is NOT one of them [08:55] the backports archive should be created, especially because it is commented in the default sources.list [08:56] Should've, could've, would've. The user does not care. [08:57] ok so go pester the backports people, there is nothing wrong with the doc [09:00] there are thousands of bugs around, we can't predict them [09:01] As a whole, it is a good document. Thanks. [09:02] :) === mdke bares his teeth [09:03] heh === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:13] Burgundavia, had a look at BetterWikiDocs? [09:15] mdke, not yet [09:17] took a look now [09:17] about to go to bed, but will look at it tomorrow [09:17] I suppose I should start packaing [09:17] can you give feedback on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugReports [09:17] s/packaing/packing/ [09:18] I would love to get it good enough to push to the fridge [09:18] night all [09:18] night [09:18] hmm [09:19] looking like a fairly even split between duck & dragon on the fridge [09:19] :/ === mdke goes to work === Madpilot votes dragon... ;) === ajmitch voted dragon :) [09:22] you guys suck [09:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake#Animals [09:23] perhaps it is the pokemon character [09:25] mdke: look under "Fictional creatures and characters" - first entry is for "European dragon" ;) [09:25] yes [09:25] look at the europea dragon page and search for "drake" [09:26] just did, no results. === mdke really goes to work [09:27] the move to Linux, summed up: "Hey! We're not in CTRL-ALT-DEL any more!" [09:27] from http://theinquirer.net/?article=26935 via The Fridge [09:28] hah [09:28] it's a good article, actually. [09:30] I like the fifth paragraph down, about the "anguish and pain" ;) [09:31] yay [09:31] seems that my cd writer just doesn't want to cooperate today [09:31] so much for a fresh breezy install [09:32] it's contagious - I've got an audio CD here that won't play... [09:32] oh finally it starts doing something [09:32] makes a few noises [09:33] cdrecord shows a tiny bit more === ajmitch loves hardware [09:33] meh... it plays fine in my old CDROM, but not in the CD/DVD/burner... [09:34] good thing I kept both drives... was going to ditch the CDROM [09:34] hardware is indeed fun [09:35] yay [09:35] finally I get.. [09:35] cdrecord: CD/DVD-Recorder not ready. [09:35] it was because I tried using hdparm on the old cd write, I swear [09:36] go the dragon [09:37] hey has anyone checked out the adept user guide spec? [09:37] it reads too much like what the spec for the Kubuntu FAQ Guide should read for my liking.. [09:38] total dupe of effort since we already have kudos as well [09:42] Seveas, you around? === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:20] rob^, yes === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:32] Seveas, I do want to be part of the cc, but the meetings are usually on at 8am my time (I'm at work) [11:32] rob^, next week will be different [11:32] there will be a special forums meeting and i want to sneak in your membership [11:33] oh [11:33] when is it on? [11:33] who here is from Wiki team? [11:33] hey Seveas [11:33] spayne, what's up [11:33] will 03:00 UTC work for you? [11:33] mdke: i'd like to join the Wiki team :) [11:33] depends what day [11:34] spayne, right [11:34] rob^, wednesday? [11:34] 0300 UTC is 1pm here, also at work :( [11:34] rob^, where are you? [11:34] east coast of Australia [11:35] what times would work for you on wednesday/thursday next week? [11:35] spayne, there is no real barrier to entry on the wiki, just read all the docs and get to know the software [11:36] any time after 0700 UTC either day [11:36] spayne, it is not necessary to join a team as such at the moment, because everyone on the wiki has the same rights [11:36] spayne, but feel free to join the LP team if you want. Read the WikiGuide WikiTeam pages [11:37] mdke: will do - thanks === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:37] spayne: also join the ubuntu-doc mailing list, if you haven't already. It's also the wiki discussion list, really... === mdke nods [11:38] joining the LP team as such doesn't actually mean anything [11:39] Seveas, but before 1600 UTC at the latest [11:40] (which is like 2am) [11:40] Madpilot: done! [11:55] mdke you still around? [11:56] yeah [11:56] just regarding the userguide, have you looked at the xfce userguide at all? (the way they do it) [11:57] basically the userguide is a simple overview and a few other things, the sections are written by others [11:57] there is a "user guide" and "manuals" [11:57] http://www.loculus.nl/xfce/documentation/docs-4.2/ [11:57] i'll look [11:58] ok, but they don't have a StarterGuide [11:58] for us, I see overlap as a MAJOR issue [11:58] it is [11:58] hence my suggestion 3 [11:58] see my comment on UserGuide [11:59] ok so you would faviour my suggestion 1 [11:59] if we choose to keep the userguide (just say), the way xfce do it would be easier to do then trying to write one massive document [11:59] i think that is gonna be pretty hard [12:00] I can't say suggestion 1 as I'm not the one contributing to it [12:00] sure [12:00] from where I sit suggestion three would be better [12:00] my problem with suggestion 1 is not the contribution, it's the theoretical difficulty of finding a dividing line and applying it [12:00] the userguide and starterguide would have to continuous interlink [12:01] it would be easier to scrap the user guide and make the faq guide the userguide (with much work) [12:01] well, now you're getting into semantics ;) [12:02] that is still suggestion 3 :) [12:02] i just made the other suggestion as I'm sure there will be people who are in love with the userguide but dont contribute :P [12:02] heh [12:03] ok, well I'm happy with nr 3 [12:04] looks like jerome is too [12:05] well thats all three of us ;) [12:05] btw rob^ there is a thread on the forum about Unofficial versus Official guide [12:05] oh [12:05] I don't frequent the forums much, got a link? [12:06] yeah [12:07] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=444162 [12:08] sorry that is not the top [12:08] yeah === rob^ had better sign up === rob^ tried a couple of weeks ago but it bumed out [12:13] the forums have even more silly crap and bad advice on them than #ubuntu ever does... [12:13] heh yeah I bet === Belutz [n=Belutz@202.155.150.72] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:31] hello all [12:31] i'm confuse when translating the faqguide [12:31] hi Belutz [12:31] whats the problem your having? [12:32] when i'm translating the faqguide, should i presume that the user is using ubuntu in my language, or presume that the user is using ubuntu in english? because the menu names is different [12:32] off the top of my head I'd say your language, mdke? [12:33] me too [12:35] ok then [12:35] :) [12:35] are there anything i could do for the doc team, instead just translating it? [12:38] there is always the wiki [12:38] we are always needing help there! [12:39] ok :) [12:39] if your into xml/docbook at all you can also check out our subversion repository [12:39] may i ask about the rosetta in here? [12:39] in #launchpad [12:40] for docteam contributions, check out doc.ubuntu.com [12:40] well, i've been thinking to make a book of ubuntu in my language [12:46] cool [12:46] but it is even cooler if you help on the English docs, so they can be made available in all languages! [12:47] yes, i will help too, i'll be learning about the docbook [12:48] great [12:48] i love ubuntu, and i have to contribute something to what i love [12:49] :) [12:50] this is regarding rss for w.u.c/RecentChanges. i've a suggestion. shall we discuss here ? [12:53] bhuvan, what is the suggestion? [12:55] how about including rss link in our RecentChanges page with 'link' html tag. it'd help firefox users in big extent [12:55] mdke, I replied to that thread [12:56] something similar to the one we have at, http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/RecentChanges [12:57] bhuvan, i don't think that our wiki supports rss [12:57] it is! [12:57] just try, RecentChanges?type=rss_rc [12:58] s/type/action [12:58] oh cool [12:58] :) === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Belutz will subscribe to that rss [12:59] how do we enable it? [12:59] enable, it's fine if we make changes to the script which renders RecentChanges page [01:00] if you see the source code of http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/RecentChanges, there's a link tag. we can have something similar over here [01:00] yes [01:02] mdke, whats with #57 on this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=440049 [01:03] "The New User Literature Project of the Ubuntu Marketing Team has created in brainstorm a scheme of guide-building inspired by the Unofficial Ubuntu Starter Guide" [01:03] what the heck? [01:03] no idea [01:03] talk about stoming on the docteams toes [01:04] s/stoming/stomping [01:05] that happens all the time, no worries [01:06] who the heck are ubuntupeople anyway? [01:06] no idea [01:10] they say they are the marketing team [01:10] http://www.ubuntupeople.com/file/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17 [01:10] yeah just read that [01:11] bbl, gotta conserve RAM... === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [01:11] do these people even know whats happening in the ubuntu community or what? [01:11] wackos [01:11] often the way [01:11] people get enthusiastic about something but don't think to work with the established community [01:11] rob^, mdke, the docbook you're using are XML right? not SGML? [01:12] that is correct [01:12] rob^, no cause for concern [01:13] no I'm not concerned, just dumbfounded [01:13] ok [01:13] alright, I'm going to bed, night mdke, ajmitch [01:13] night [01:14] nite nite rob^ === ajmitch should sleep now too [01:14] nite nite ajmitch === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-95.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:47] hi [01:47] hey jerome [01:49] hey mdke :) === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [01:58] ADEPT ROCKS [01:59] lol [02:00] hehe === jsgotangco is becoming kubuntu fanboi [02:00] what did you just do? or is this a general revelation? === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:15] hehe [02:15] i decided to punish (reward?) myself by committing to doing Kubuntu for dapper FULL TIME [02:15] lol [02:35] full time? [02:35] what about work? [02:43] dos anyone have the e-mailaddress of rob^? [02:43] sure, he uses it on the mailing list [02:43] ah of course === Seveas whacks some brain into his head [02:43] === Kamping_Kaiser keeps forgetting robs in aus === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:53] mdke: i meant full time kubuntu in my spare time :) [02:53] heheh [02:53] ;) [02:54] i don't think Riddell has the budget to pay for slackers like me === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:56] hello jjesse [02:56] :) [02:56] morning jsgotangco === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Lathiat [i=lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:02] bing! [03:02] hi [03:02] read the spec? [03:03] reaidng now [03:03] brb === pirast [n=pirast@p508B3DF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bob2 [i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:21] hey bob2 [03:21] which problem were you concerned has no evidence? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:31] mdke what was the spec for user guide? on the wiki [03:32] UserGuide, but there is not much there === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:33] bob2? [03:34] i added an example to the first bullet point, but would be interested in any improvements you might suggest === judax [n=troy@adsl-70-240-14-115.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:02] mornin [04:08] moring judax [04:08] hi jjesse [04:16] rob^, i think I know why those xincludes aren't working, it must be because they are outside chapters. Inserting them into a chapter however screws up the dtd... so I can't think of any solution === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-146-214.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:30] are we still in branch? [04:33] yeah /me peers at jbailey [04:39] kubuntu docs should be merged back into trunk per Riddell [04:39] Riddell: have you applied the kubuntu stylesheet to userguide yet? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:50] jjesse: awesome === pirast [n=pirast@p508B3DF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has left #ubuntu-doc ["So] [05:31] hehe i added an emblem to the lp doc team === mdke looks [05:31] nice [05:32] we need a hackergotchi now [05:36] yeah [05:36] hehe [05:36] hmm [05:37] is sean quinn still active? [05:39] i still maintain he has never committed [05:39] deactivate? [05:40] we'll see if he complains :) === mdke nods [05:40] you can always reactivate if he does something [05:40] yeah [05:42] i have 9 proposed members but i have no idea who these people are [05:42] i guess i have to email them :) [05:44] i know who some of them are [05:44] but none of em have commit access [05:52] jbailey, did you get anywhere on the merge? === mdke fears it will not get done before UBZ starts [05:53] perhaps we can do something? === robitaille [n=robitail@p238-121.public.uvic.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:24] mdke: it would be nice to have a doc like the starter guide link to UserDocumentation it has been improving a lot [06:24] agreed [06:26] we need that merge === jsgotangco is not qualified to do such [06:29] i wonder if all it takes is a bit of copy and pasting [06:32] jbailey!! [06:35] sure its copy and pasting and making sure the entities *work* [06:40] well isn't that quite easy? [06:41] well sure but i'd like to see the stuff that jbailey planned in the first place [06:42] me too [06:42] oh well [06:42] i gotta sleep [06:42] its past 1 [06:42] hehe [06:42] later === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [08:13] anyone know how to insert some html code into the top of the faqguide html when I build it? === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === farruinn [n=nathan@cpe-69-201-12-77.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxboy [n=anon@yoda.frogfoot.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:54] hi [09:54] I got a question about a wiki doc [09:54] can I ask it here [09:56] sure === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:58] linuxboy: ogra is the edubuntu guy - he may be able to help [09:58] I have a bunch of ubuntu pcs at work, which I manage. I use things like 'dsh' to do so. Is there a wiki page/doc all about managing muliple ubuntu pcs in a office situation? [09:58] hes not here [09:58] linuxboy, the best you can do is to use the search [09:58] edubuntu uses ltsp, that's not what you want right? [09:58] mdke: what do i search for? [09:58] mdke: no [09:58] spayne: he work with highvoltage ? [09:59] linuxboy: not sure but i know ogra is the main man for edubuntu [09:59] they work on related projects [10:00] spayne: but its not edubuntu [10:00] its a bunch of normal ubuntu pcs [10:00] but I want this doc to have tips like "dsh" [10:00] if it doesn't exist, I'll start it [10:01] linuxboy: go for it! [10:01] spayne: any ideas for a name? [10:01] linuxboy: how about === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-58-133.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:01] ManagingMultipleUbuntuPCs ? [10:01] UbuntuOffice [10:02] mdke: what do you think? [10:02] UbuntuOfficeEnvrionment [10:03] linuxboy, anything you like [10:03] well... [10:03] UbuntuOfficeEnvrionment is too specific [10:03] and ManagingMultipleUbuntuPCs is too long [10:03] cut the "ubuntu" [10:03] linuxboy: how about ManagingMultiplePCs [10:03] mdke: :) [10:03] cool [10:03] linuxboy, check out the page WikiGuide for help on editing and rules for guides [10:04] mdke: Wiki people like me and mdke will check it out [10:04] whoops! [10:04] that was meant for linuxboy [10:05] heh [10:05] what wiki does ubuntu use? [10:06] well [10:06] moinmoin [10:06] ok [10:06] never used that [10:06] :) [10:06] I've used mediawiki [10:07] this is quite simple too [10:07] that guide page should help a bit [10:07] cool [10:07] and point you towards more comprehensive docs if you need em [10:07] now, have I created an account? [10:07] :) [10:07] I'm not sure [10:07] if not, now is the time [10:07] search for your name at https://launchpad.net/people [10:08] I'm busy remotly upgrading an ubuntu pc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-58-133.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:10] I have registered === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:11] oh, hi highvoltage [10:11] hi linuxboy [10:11] didn't see you there [10:11] where? [10:12] so, I've now got my password [10:12] oh. here. [10:12] whats my username? [10:12] your e-mail address, i think [10:12] ah [10:12] that would make sense [10:14] how the heck do I create a new page? [10:14] visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ManagingMultiplePCs?action=edit [10:14] I assume? [10:14] type https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThisIsNewPage in URL [10:15] yep [10:15] then? [10:15] wheres the edit button like mediawiki? [10:15] you click on "Create new empty page" [10:16] You are not allowed to edit this page. [10:16] what i do with moinmoin, is go to my UserPreferences, [10:16] and choose the option that double-click means edit. [10:16] then i just double-click on the pages to edit them. [10:17] where is UserPreferences ? [10:17] i have edubuntu skin... let me just switch... [10:17] ah [10:17] linuxboy: have you logged in? [10:17] found it [10:17] :) === farruinn [n=nathan@cpe-69-201-12-77.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:21] MoinMoin's login process is a bit poor [10:21] you have to log in, then click Back twice, then click Reload [10:23] yeah that blows [10:23] heh [10:23] not like launchpad :) [10:23] I don't like moinmoni [10:23] moinmoin [10:23] i do :) [10:23] moinmoin is okay, but it takes getting used to. [10:23] give it a chance [10:24] people tend to have difficulty going from moinmoin to mediawiki or vice versa. [10:24] Thank you for your changes. Your attention to detail is appreciated. [10:24]