[12:04] sabdfl is there in #launchpad ? [12:04] ogra, ack === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:04] evening all [12:04] hi sabdfl [12:04] hey sabdfl [12:04] hi [12:04] there you go [12:04] yay sabdfl [12:04] hey sabdfl [12:04] hi sabdfl [12:04] ello [12:04] hi sabdfl :) [12:04] the boss is here, all behave now... [12:04] mdz and i have a call in 30 mins [12:04] ah, the lesser known "hi flood" [12:04] i can imagine his screen blinking :) [12:04] ivoks & edgar: ciao [12:05] elmo? Kamion? [12:05] neuro|laptop: haha [12:05] sabdfl, elmo is here, Kamion didnt speak up yet [12:05] sabdfl: elmo just joined, so unless he does that by cronjob I assume he's here ;-) [12:05] hi, sorry, had totally forgotten about the meeting [12:05] Kamion: lol [12:05] Kamion, welcome anyway :) [12:06] kamion: woops [12:06] Kamion, hey, but you made it ;) [12:06] elmo: thanks for the sms [12:06] :) [12:06] looks like we have 3 CC members so we can almost start [12:06] Hello everybody, welcome to the Community Council Meeting. The agenda for today can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda. All member candidates, make sure your wikipage is up-to-date and prepare a 3 line introduction (which you will have to give in this channel) describing your past contributions to Ubuntu, your plans and your vision of the Ubuntu feature. [12:06] Everybody who has an item on the agenda please prepare a few lines describing it. LocoTeam leaders on the agenda, prepare a few lines in which you describe the status of your team, what your team is currently doing and what the plans are. [12:06] Can we speak about PLF (a repository for illegal and litigious stuff like w32codecs or libdvdcss) now? [12:06] keyes_PLF, no [12:06] is the agenda still from last meeting ? [12:06] ogra, no it's updated [12:06] thanks ... [12:06] really, looks the same somehow [12:06] modulo one or two items [12:07] ogra, last week lots of people did not show up [12:07] keyes_PLF: it needs to be in the agenda [12:07] keyes_PLF: could you add that to the next agenda? [12:07] ... agenda? [12:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [12:07] when? [12:07] yeah that [12:07] indeed, last was a passover for NMs... [12:07] Let's all state our name for the record [12:07] lest go on, sabdfl has to leave soon === Seveas === Dennis Kaarsemaker === ivoks is Ante Karamatic === Yann2 Yann Hamon === nalioth is Marek Spruell [12:07] in two weeks time, though i will be in montreal with the launchpad team === panickedthumb is Travis Newman === ogra is OliverGrawert === david`l is David Larlet === selinium James Thomas [12:07] Jonathan Riddell === mvo is michael vogt === sabdfl is MarkShuttleworth === dholbach is Daniel Holbach === jbailey is JeffBailey === neuro|laptop is William Anderson === smurf is Matthias Urllichs === spayne is Seb Payne === zakame is Zak Elep === edgar is Edgar Bursic === Kamion is Colin Watson === BayR00t is IvicaPetrinic [12:08] Since sabdfl has to leave soon, shall we start with member candidates? === doko is Matthias Klose === deresh is Kreso Kunjas [12:08] perhaps we should rather handle the other business? === vuntz == Vincent Untz [12:09] mrf [12:09] fine by me too, that means first up is the forums complaint [12:09] quite late here, but if you wish ^ ^ [12:09] ompaul Paul O'Malley [12:09] bhuvan = Bhuvaneswaran === mdz is MattZimmerman === seb128 == Sebastien Bacher === tristanmike is Phonse Walsh === alexissoft is alexis robert [12:10] well is there any special reason to let other business go first this time? :( [12:10] From the forums team only panickedthumb has arrived [12:10] ok, forums, then yann2, then other business, then other members [12:10] mmm, metabusiness :) [12:10] Yann2: mdz and i have distro conference calls in 19 minutes [12:10] Yann2: yes it's very late for us too [12:10] okok :) [12:11] planning for UBZ... MontrealMadnessBegins [12:11] neither andrew (azz) nor jdodson can show up this time [12:11] and after 8 hours of calls already, we are eager to finish ;-) [12:11] sabdfl, dunno if it makes sense to talk about the forums if only one guy is here [12:11] panickedthumb, neither has ubuntugeek or any other person [12:11] this happened last week too [12:11] please make sure they are here next time, we should defer for now imho [12:11] FLeiXius is here, did he speak up? [12:11] so, the first links suggests good progress on an appropriate use policy for the forums [12:11] there was only arzajac (I think) [12:11] We should defer because Ryan said he can't come because of work [12:11] but [12:12] but...? [12:12] one thing we at least wanted to do is attempt to get a meeting time (whether next cc meeting or not) that we can hopefully all get to [12:12] +1 [12:13] panickedthumb, do you have a proposal now? [12:13] well, with many folks in montreal next week, we should be able to do a different timezone [12:13] true [12:13] that will help a lot [12:13] sabdfl, suggestions? [12:13] I don't have a proposal, at least not a separate one from the one already up [12:13] sabdfl, next week is TB, isnt it ? [12:14] I'm just hoping w can plan a better time [12:14] Seveas: will you coordinate with cvd and ubuntugeek to setup a forums meeting for a morning next week wed/thu [12:14] ogra: special meeting is called for, i think [12:14] sabdfl, I will [12:14] ah, yes [12:14] Seveas: CC, Forums admins, interested parties, here [12:14] sabdfl, I don't think any morning is good for a lot of us because of work [12:14] ok, move on to Yann2 now? [12:15] panickedthumb, we'll settle on a date that is good for the forums team [12:16] panickedthumb: we can be flexible, nominate slots, people can say which they can make, we'll take the best one, done [12:16] Yann2: go [12:16] I'm Yann HAMON from the french Ubuntu team. I'm 21 years old, 3rd year student in computer science at a french/german institute: [WWW] Isfates [12:16] I started the french Ubuntu Locoteam by november 2004 with DavidLarlet. I'm the webmaster of that website with him, and we try to get the different teams (Rosetta, wiki, forum, planet) coordinated. [12:16] I'm also operator on the #ubuntu-fr@freenode channel, making some support and trying to keep that channel as peaceful as it uses to be. [12:16] David and I also do some advocacy for Ubuntu in France; Ubuntu-fr was for example represented at the "Fte de l'humanit" near Paris (see [WWW] http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/photos/2005-09-12_fete_huma/ ) [12:16] is it possible for me to be with Yann2 ? (we are linked with ubuntu-fr youy know) [12:16] sabdfl, sounds great [12:17] Yann2: is it difficult to keep the channel peacefull? [12:17] Yann2, how is the not-for-profit-organization thing going? [12:17] sabdfl > it once was ^^ [12:17] Seveas > we're waiting to be ubuntu members for that ;) [12:17] ok, cool [12:18] Yann2 and david`l have done a good job on ubuntu-fr.org (except that some parts don't work in IE ;)) [12:18] Seveas: that's a very good job then :) [12:18] The french Ubuntu community looks alive too, so nice job there [12:18] +1 for yann from me, he has been very helpful getting hosting and donations for our teams organized [12:18] Seveas, we use png everywhere on the ubuntu pages ;) [12:19] site looks very nice. Yann2 is that mostly your work? [12:19] ogra, it's the map stuff [12:19] tsk [12:19] sabdfl > not reeally, I paid the design in beers ;) [12:19] you should have paid in Ubuntu CDs [12:20] (just a hint to this, people are selling Ubuntu Cds in large quantities here) [12:20] CDs don't taste as good as beer tho :) [12:20] (mostly at install parties and conferences :( ) [12:20] neuro|laptop: very very true [12:21] sabdfl, elmo, Kamion +1/0/-1 on Yann2? [12:21] Yann2: there was some discussion a while back about the ubuntu europe thing, with respect to trademarks and such; how's the discussion on that going? [12:21] Seveas: wait [12:21] Kamion, sorry [12:21] sorry i'm late, me = Andi Darmawan [12:21] (yeah, I know I should be up-to-date on that discussion myself, but ...) [12:22] Kamion > abandonned, but we're actually setting up a ubuntu-fr organisation... [12:22] :) [12:22] ah, interesting [12:22] +1 from me on Yann [12:22] Yann2, when that's finished, a report of what you did would probably be useful for other locoteams [12:22] Yann2: good work on the web site and local community, thanks for your energy! [12:23] we'll certainly set up some kind of agreement between de/fr too, as we probably need a common bank account, we have to plan a de/fr meeting soon [12:23] Seveas > will do [12:23] be careful, when you are handling donated funds, it requires lots of care, ok? [12:23] +1 on Yann2, echoing sabdfl's advice :) [12:23] -de not-for-profit set-up is progressing, we'll complete that this year [12:23] elmo, ? [12:23] raise any issues here sooner rather than later, if something is going to blow up i'd rather know early [12:23] sabdfl: exactly [12:23] sabdfl > that's the reason we want to create the organisation, the monney actually belongs to smurf and I :p [12:24] ok [12:24] ok [12:24] next, any other business? [12:24] mjg59 voting ? [12:24] ack for yann [12:24] i'm done ^^ :) [12:24] Yann2, congratz [12:24] spayne's here for his member vote too [12:24] congrats, Yann2 :-) [12:24] \o/ :) [12:24] well done Yann2 [12:24] flicitations Yann2 :) [12:25] welcome Yann2 [12:25] can somebody else handle the launchpad registration stuff this week? my mouse is acting up and operating a web application is kind of PAIN right now [12:25] congrats Yann2 [12:25] yes, i'm here for membership as well [12:25] congrats Yann2 [12:25] sabdfl, one point from me: IRC registration is finally moing forward [12:25] congrats yahh === vuntz hugs Yann2 [12:25] w00t Yann2 ! [12:25] I mean Yann [12:25] congrats Yann2 [12:25] Yann2: welcome :) [12:25] let me know when you need me :) [12:25] spayne, you'll have to be deferred, sabdfl has to leave [12:25] Yann2: yay! ;) [12:25] Seveas: what! [12:25] no no [12:25] sec [12:25] Seveas: i can't make the next one :( [12:26] spayne, there will always be other meetings :) [12:26] Seveas: hold up a second, we're just talking about that [12:26] Kamion, ok [12:26] Seveas: (... but don't go away ...) [12:26] ok, we are going to try something new === kreso_ [n=kreso@83-131-13-114.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:26] for the purposes of approving membership applications, i'd like to delegate a vote to each of smurf, seveas and dholbach [12:26] Kamion, i'm not leaving, I just tried to rush this half hour so we could treat a lot while sabdfl was around :) [12:27] wow [12:27] sabdfl, thanks for the trust in us [12:27] wow! thanks sabdfl [12:27] sabdfl: thank you [12:27] nice :) === smurf seconds seveas [12:27] Seveas: if you could mail the -devel list with the details of any new members approved, that would be appreciated, cc CC ;-) [12:27] I think this is just for this time round while we're short on board members, though I could be wrong there [12:27] sabdfl: Just for thi meeting? [12:27] spayne: quick, give biscuits to Seveas, smurf and dholbach :> [12:27] sabdfl, sure === spayne gets the biscuits, pies and beer out and passes them around [12:27] and we'll see how well it works anyway [12:28] smurf: for now, but i think it would be good to set up a more regular set of membership-interview meetings, so the CC can focus on issues like the forums, IRC registration, processes etc [12:28] let's discuss that at UBZ? [12:28] sabdfl: sure [12:28] yeah, good idea [12:28] +1 [12:28] sabdfl: sounds like a good idea [12:28] sabdfl, rad, too bad I can't make it to UBZ though [12:29] i see a lot of proposed members at https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/+members so clearly we need to be able to accommodate them [12:29] shall the grill^Winterviewing proceed then? [12:29] well, i'm here and willing :) [12:29] sabdfl, any quick word on mjg59 before you leave ? he's on the agenda ... [12:29] ogra: voting continues till the... [12:29] lol ajmitch [12:29] ahh, k [12:29] ogra, that's an error of mine [12:29] The poll is still broken for me. [12:29] 29th [12:29] Bug 3164 in LP is still onot fixed for that. === david`l is now known as david`lap [12:29] Seveas: when are loco teams on agenda? [12:29] I hope it will be before the voting stops. [12:29] jbailey: broken for you? [12:30] I propose that we continue the meeting from the top of the agenda [12:30] sabdfl: a few of them are existing members who aren't on the launchpad team [12:30] sabdfl: Yup, launchpad error. The link is in the email (which is why it's marked confidential) [12:30] sabdfl, once again thanks for the trust in smurf dholbach and myself [12:30] sabdfl: I tested it an hour or two ago and I still get an error page. [12:30] Seveas: seconded [12:31] jbailey: ok, i will try to take care of it. does it affect lots of people? [12:31] just let me know when you're ready for me [12:31] ErdalRonahi / JanHusar / ZarulSharin, are you around? [12:31] sabdfl: I don't know off hand. I'd be a bit worried that it did, but I didn't see others while searching. [12:32] not around I suppose? [12:32] ivoks, the stage is yours [12:32] :/ [12:32] Seveas: thanks [12:32] cheers all [12:32] thanks sabdfl [12:32] bye sabdfl [12:32] cheers [12:32] whole -hr team is here, by name kreso_ edgar [12:32] cheers sabdfl [12:32] cya sabdfl [12:32] jbailey: i will land a fix for cherrypicking into production asap [12:32] bye sabdfl [12:32] bye sabdfl [12:32] sabdfl: Tx. [12:32] *wave sabdfl* [12:32] bye sabdfl, cu [12:33] and BayR00t :) [12:33] ivoks, -hr? I though croatia was -cr? [12:33] good bye ... === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [12:33] Seveas: nope, we are -hr === BayR00t is here [12:33] # [12:33] CroatianTeam (Contact: AnteKaramatic) [12:33] # [12:33] yes [12:33] HR is id for croatia [12:33] ah, ok [12:33] Seveas: .cr is Costa Rica [12:33] well, what's up in eastern europe? [12:33] croatia = english/latin name for hrvatska (.hr) [12:34] so, we are setting up ubuntu.grad.hr [12:34] ivoks: how many croatian people are on irc regularly? (not in this meeting :)) [12:34] dholbach: not many, but that will change soon [12:34] have i got time to just nip away from a few minutes [12:34] we have few good supporters that aren't in our team [12:34] but could join very soon === ogra sees a lot in #edubuntu [12:34] before you need me? [12:34] you adopted an irc channel already? [12:34] ivoks: what'll ubuntu.grad.hr be? [12:34] dholbach: yes ubuntu-hr, it's registred [12:34] Kamion: web portal with wiki and forums [12:35] Kamion: i'm even thinking on creating local mirror [12:35] Kamion: and news [12:35] ivoks, poke smurf to forward ubuntu-hr.org to your site [12:35] since hr.archive.ubuntu.com is slower then de. mirror [12:35] hr.archive == archive at the moment [12:35] Seveas: i wanted to ask that yes [12:35] Kamion: i know, i'm hopping to change that [12:35] ivoks: just send me an email with the details [12:35] if you get a mirror set up with reasonable bandwidth, contact Znarl, who runs our mirror network, and that can be updated [12:36] smurf: is it possible to get MX record too? :) [12:36] Kamion: gigabit bandwith [12:36] ivoks: sure, just tell me where it should point to [12:36] I believe that's adequate, but talk to Znarl for requirements [12:36] smurf: ok [12:36] Kamion: ok [12:36] so, if it's needed, team can introduce themselfs [12:36] acctually, members of team :) [12:37] what are your plans apart from the website? [12:37] marketing [12:37] (and the archive) [12:37] for a start just being noisy [12:37] :) [12:37] hehe, noise works, really :) [12:37] mm, we often ask people about local user-group organisation and the like [12:37] localisation is our main objective [12:37] workshops [12:37] Kamion, you stole my next question ;) [12:37] :) [12:38] sorry... wifi connection... laggy [12:38] ivoks, what is the status of this sort of interaction? [12:38] we have very good linux user group (http://www.linux.hr) [12:38] Seveas: have i got time to nip away for a few minutes before you need me? [12:39] spayne, no, you're next [12:39] Seveas: there are many conferences happening in last two-three years [12:39] Seveas: ok - i can wait. thanks [12:39] beside that there are even more locally based happenings [12:39] cool [12:39] edgar and BayR00t can tell you about their acctivity in pula [12:39] ivoks: will the team be at those conferences? [12:39] ah ok === BayR00t and edgar are part of the Monteparadiso HackLab [12:39] dholbach: of course [12:39] wow [12:40] we hosted first TransHackMeeting last year [12:40] cooperate with hacklabs in italy, amsterdam, france etc [12:40] dholbach: we have few professionals for web, system administration in team === vuntz goes to bed: good night everyone [12:40] nn vuntzZz [12:40] dholbach: so we could even go fruther from loclteam [12:40] locoteam [12:40] ivoks, sounds good [12:41] ivoks: sounds like you've got goals. Keep after them ;-) [12:41] smurf: sure we do [12:41] we have 15 machines on Ubuntu, workshops, kids, etc... [12:41] been talking with eben moglesn, lawrence lessig etc ;) [12:41] Any more questions for the 'defendants'? [12:41] hopefuly we'll organize croatian first hackmeeting [12:42] I'm happy, seems to be plenty of local organisation and energy [12:42] good work, keep it up, etc. :-) [12:42] thx [12:42] :) [12:42] yeah, +1 on that [12:42] yeah, i'm quite happy too [12:42] we are all trying, kamion [12:42] keep us posted [12:42] Seveas: of course [12:42] Next up: Seb Payne [12:42] ivoks: is your blog on planet ubuntu already? [12:42] Seveas: i'm here every day :) [12:42] dholbach: if you didn't saw my new snowboard - then no :) [12:43] ivoks, ping jdub [12:43] let the planet grow :) [12:43] spayne went out for a few minutes, right? [12:43] i allready did... will do that again.. [12:43] dholbach: how's spayne been doing in motu? [12:43] ivoks: yes ,talk to jdub, so we know what's going on in croatia [12:43] dholbach: ok === Kingbahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:43] ChrisCole around? [12:43] ok I gotta run guys. Good luck to everyone up for membership, congrats to anyone who gets it. Talk to you all later. [12:43] Kamion: he packaged resapplet and was quite communicative in our channel [12:43] greeting from croatia, thx for having us. ciao [12:44] Kamion: afaik he worked on a couple of other packages, which are not in ubuntu yet [12:44] here [12:44] right [12:44] Wiki Page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SebPayne. Hi All. My name is Seb Payne. 16. in England. Using Ubuntu since December 2004. Made various contributions in the form of documentation, packaging and debugging. My main thing I enjoy (and resonabally good at) is documentation which is described on my Wiki page. I have also worked with the Novell teams on Hula and iFolder to get them building on Ubuntu, when they had previously not wor [12:44] whoops! sorry it is a bit long [12:45] spayne: did you get in contact with the ubuntu documentation project already? === kreso_ has to leave to. its damn late overher in croatia...and im working in the morning :) [12:45] I was about to ask that :) [12:45] anyone from docteam who can vouch for spayne ? === kreso_ [n=kreso@83-131-13-114.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [12:45] ah damn - 3 souls one mind... and i am the slowest... [12:45] i have not done enough work yet to join the docteam [12:45] spayne: because i saw your blog and liked the style of writing / depicting :) [12:45] the bulk of Seb's contributions seem to be in documentation so far [12:45] chui dj all voir un match Lens ^^ [12:46] ... / cheerleading :) [12:46] oups [12:46] wrong chan sorry ;) [12:46] i am trying to get things from other sources and get them onto the Ubuntu Wiki [12:46] like from the Hula, iFolder wiki for example [12:46] nice [12:46] though eep, that mono/hoary howto is evil :) === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:46] to help users as it is rather confusing [12:46] spayne: some of the documentation could do with fixes though [12:46] Kamion: i knew and know it is evil [12:46] like avoiding installing source into /usr :) [12:46] is the meeting already over? [12:46] spayne, be sure you don't violate licenses when you copy other peoples work [12:46] spayne: yeah, I followed the link for that reason ;) [12:46] segfault, no [12:46] segfault: no, in progress [12:47] ah, thank god [12:47] :) [12:47] spayne: what do you think about getting the mono stuff into the distro properly? [12:47] Seveas: i always check with people [12:47] dholbach ?? [12:47] erm, maybe i wasnt explicit enough: [12:47] dholbach, whats wrong with mono ? [12:47] apps ? [12:47] dholbach: i think it is an excellent idea but we must be careful. Mono may still have problems but I love Mono and there are some excellent guys working on it [12:47] dholbach: i believe that Beagle should be standard on Dapper [12:48] dholbach: and fully intergrated into the desktop - as in SUSE to make Ubuntu stand out [12:48] spayne, it just tried to eat jdubs harddrive, so it's clearly not mature enough ;) [12:48] beagle is a pain on my laptop HD ... [12:48] spayne: what's this Evolution Colt thing you mention in your wiki page? [12:48] yeah, that'd be nice [12:48] but f-spot should really replace gthumb one day [12:48] ogra: totally agreed [12:48] Kamion: it is my own personal business [12:48] ah [12:49] Kamion: i give advice and reports on how to intergrate Open Source software into current systemns [12:49] ogra: definitely, and I'm not biased in any way whatsoever [12:49] heh [12:49] Kamion: i have had lots of success with home users [12:49] Kamion: small business again, good [12:49] spayne: but about ifolder and other mono-packages i don't yet know... do you think we can get them better working in the distro? [12:49] ajmitch, its te only app that can import pics from my casio exilim i bought yesterday [12:49] dholbach: iFolder is a trickey one [12:49] dholbach: once ifolder's licensing is sorted :) [12:49] dholbach: as part of it is non-FOSS [12:49]