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[01:51] did you ever get an strace? [01:51] (the old one's irrelevant since it's for an older version) [01:51] No....thats how I found out [01:51] I go to strace it, and I was surpised not to have a sgfault [01:52] so I do a vlc -vvv normaly and the remote interface fires up [01:52] So I get a copy of that, and when I got back to my room, it was working normally === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] Maybe the Remote connection somehow bypassed the part that was causing the segfault and allowed VLC to generate the files it needed to run locally [02:02] still doesn't explain why it's hitching on /usr/lib/vlc/, though [02:02] It isn't anymore [02:02] but it did. === Kyral thinks [02:02] can you reproduce it when you mv ~/.vlc ~/.vlc.working ? [02:03] I did install vlc-plugin-sdl and vlc-plugin-svgalib..... [02:03] Gimme a couple mins, I'm watchin' Ai Yori Aoshi ;P === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] moved that dir [02:09] fires up find [02:09] err [02:09] fine :D [02:09] great, I'll chalk it up to PEBKAC ;-) [02:10] PEBKAC? [02:10] problem exists between keyboard and chair [02:10] *falls down* [02:10] Thanks a lot..... [02:11] otherwise I'll punt the probs to bddebian ;-) [02:11] lol [02:12] Now, more Ai Yori Aoshi === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa135.6.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Buena [n=botana7@dsl-200-78-127-118.prod-infinitum.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Buena [n=botana7@dsl-200-78-127-118.prod-infinitum.com.mx] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:26] sleep tight === Kyral yawns and wonders if he should reinstall Ubuntu-Desktop.... [02:43] Oh...I forgot.....this means that Backports are happening again === Kyral makes sure his Breezy PBuilder is still around === slomo_ [n=slomo@p5487FADD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === john280z [n=johnm@user-0ce2hju.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ecobuntu [n=chris@S0106000625926fb6.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === john280z [n=johnm@user-0ce2hju.cable.mindspring.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [03:24] i would like to help out with xubuntu...either packaging or maintaining. i've already add some proposed packages on the website [03:25] best to talk to crimsun or janimo :) [03:25] ecobuntu: we tend to discuss general packaging/maintainership issues here [03:25] (yep, he's in #xubuntu) [03:26] oh === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Entrope [i=entrope@sanosuke.troilus.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:54] Heya folks [03:54] hi === Kyral looks up from his milkshake [03:55] Yo! [03:55] Heya Kyral [03:55] Mmmmm, the sounds of Dapper goodness [03:56] and the sound of Backports being made [03:56] Heh [03:57] It makes me feel important when someone asks for a package and I just pbuilder it and say "Here you go!" === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354977pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] Note to self: Convince Mez to let me onto the BackportTeam === ajmitch wishes he felt important :) [03:58] ajmitch, you are da man [03:58] ajmitch: I hear ya there buddy :-) [03:58] If I can go a day without being criticized by you its a good day ;P [03:59] he's a nazi ;) [03:59] Heh, heya chillywilly [03:59] whaddup ppl? [03:59] Kyral: haha [03:59] Just got home from work so now I'm playing NWN :-) [03:59] Kyral: I hardly criticise! :) [03:59] anyone running Dapper right now? [03:59] I am :D === ajmitch isn't quite that silly [04:00] :P [04:00] ajmitch: pbuilder chroot? [04:00] if I could [04:00] Have there been like no posts to the Ubuntu-Devel list in the past few hours? [04:00] why can't ya? [04:01] because I was getting 404 errors last time i tried a dist-upgrade [04:01] Or is my email just ****ed up [04:01] ajmitch: doh === jbailey [n=jbailey@testhaus.cns.utoronto.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jtan325 [n=jtan325@c-67-183-143-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Entrope [i=entrope@sanosuke.troilus.org] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:09] Hey is there any way to tell if emails have been bouncing from my account (Like emails from the Mailing Lists) === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-227-135-81.dsl.renocs.nvbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:13] Kyral: if too many bounce i think mailman unsubscribes you [05:15] Well, I haven't gotten the past few emails (Think my Inbox filled up even though I have been downloading them) and I just deleted alll the Trash [05:15] Yet I'm still listed as being on the lists [05:20] Maybe my school's email is just being f***ed up [05:29] or maybe they saw the vast amount of traffic from the emails and decided to block them as spam [05:33] my school email used to do that [05:33] but part of them was real spam [05:33] that's mails from a list for me to moderate [05:34] Yah I think the flood from lists.ubuntu.com triggered a filter === Kyral prepares an email to bitch === Kyral is gonna STAB his OIT if they blocked lists.ubuntu.com === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-18-5-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:13] G'day all [06:16] could someone do me a quick favour. Can someone ping eyagi.bpa.nu and tell me if http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/doomsday.html loads [06:17] I'm getting complaints in the forums that "teh doom site iz down" [06:18] I can't load it [06:18] LaserJock: that's odd - I can see it now. Thanks - I'll check out the server [06:19] ping times out too [06:20] LaserJock: what IP address does it resolve to in the ping ? [06:20] 60.240.18.5 [06:21] LaserJock: that's the right ip [06:25] LaserJock: found the error, the iptables script wasn't getting called when my link changed state [06:25] LaserJock: thanks for your help [06:26] Yagisan: no problem [06:27] LaserJock: I now have a nice collection of "doodz I can't find teh doom site" complaints now [06:28] LaserJock: I can't wait until they realise I haven't updated it too breezy yet :) [06:28] Yagisan: lol [06:28] I'm already in Dapper :D [06:28] but night all [06:29] well, I got a chroot in dapper [06:29] I have a Chroot in Breezy ;P [06:29] So I can Backport ;P [06:30] Anyway bedtime [06:30] I be building my u604 chroots latter, to go with my u504, and d3.1 [06:31] ajmitch: did distcc work for you ? 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[07:42] a DOE sensor fellowship [07:42] Oh, I think I've heard of that [07:43] it might be DOD but I can't remember right now [07:43] I think it is [07:44] anyway, it is a pain in the butt but I need the money ;-) [07:44] hi tritium, LaserJock [07:44] hoa ajmitch [07:44] hi ajmitch [07:44] s/hoa/hola/ === stone__ [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [Chameleon] [n=Paul@000f660c9c52.click-network.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@alabama.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yi [i=yi@rollright.bmsc.washington.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [n=loic@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:24] hello === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-41-252.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1D11.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:24] good morning [09:25] morning daniel! === _Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:30] <_Tonio_> morning everyone [09:30] hello === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:43] morning [09:52] morning it is [09:53] hi \sh [09:53] <\sh> moins [09:53] <\sh> well...a bad morning...all my nightmares become true [09:54] \sh: what's up? [09:54] eek [09:54] <\sh> dholbach: hehe...nagra fucked up [09:54] I really wish I could burn this breezy cd [09:54] but everything seems to have broken [09:55] <\sh> yesterday evening I was talking to our engineer about this damn smartcard provisioning problem...if the customer smartcards are ready this morning around 6am [09:56] <\sh> but, after at least 100k cards * average 4 commands to send == drum console which mixes the mpeg streams + the EMM streams together was crashing.. [09:56] \sh: ouch [09:56] you'll be happy to get away from there for a week or two ;) [09:56] <\sh> nagra engineers from switzerland are working...but strangewise they don't know their system [09:57] <\sh> so..finally 100k customers with special dtv services are f'uped [09:57] \sh: that's always the problem with engineers [09:57] <\sh> and we don't know how long it takes to fix this issue [09:57] \sh: external ones [09:57] <\sh> Treenaks: they wrote the application [09:58] \sh: I used to work at a telco, we knew more about the DSLAMs than the companies who made them [09:58] <\sh> Treenaks: and it's running for bigger tv providers around the world...but only in our company it's always crashing, fucking whatever, because we don't pay them to upgrade our software [09:58] <\sh> sorry for the bad words...but it's really hard to stay calm about those issues [09:59] <\sh> status meeting...brb [09:59] \sh: good luck [10:03] Treenaks, I'm an engineer - where not all incompetent [10:03] Yagisan: the ones I met were :) [10:04] Yagisan: they couldn't even handle the command line on their own devices [10:04] Treenaks: I've met that kind too, but some of us are good [10:05] Yagisan: I believe that :) [10:07] Yagisan: but the don't send those to small telcos === pef [n=loic@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:15] Morning all [10:16] hey sivang [10:16] morning you two [10:18] hmm I should really pay more attention to what's happening [10:18] didn't even notice dapper opening :) [10:18] doh [10:18] haha :) === dholbach hugs Mortas [10:21] ah yes, more coffee and then to figure out what to start with === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-65-26-222-190.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch does some more packaging === dholbach too === spayne will look at dopi today [10:33] so I guess by the end of UBZ I'll have made my first upload to dapper :) [10:33] <_Tonio_> dholbach: little question concerning revu [10:34] <_Tonio_> do we now have to upload dapper packages ? [10:34] oh come on... let's do some nice merges ;) [10:34] dholbach: sure, I've only got 1 more day before I fly [10:34] _Tonio_: yeah, can't upload to breezy no more [10:34] no time to get started on merges :) [10:34] just fix vim and lintian ;) [10:34] vim? [10:34] <_Tonio_> dholbach: okay, changes required in the dput config I assume ? [10:34] when does UBZ start> [10:35] no dput changes needed [10:35] spayne: sunday [10:35] are you going ajmitch? [10:35] yes [10:35] woo! === karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] <_Tonio_> ajmitch: okay [10:36] <_Tonio_> I think compiling kde packages fails at this time so I'll wait a bit [10:36] how many normally attend> [10:36] heh [10:36] <_Tonio_> problem with kdelibs4-dev [10:36] spayne: hard to say what is 'normal' [10:36] ajmitch: well, how many attend UDU? [10:36] hm [10:37] 60-70? [10:37] 70, on the first day 110? [10:37] yeah [10:37] first day was busier I think [10:37] first day of UBZ will be mad [10:37] hm, need to buy DV tapes then :) [10:37] yeah, i should think so [10:37] Treenaks: dv tapes? [10:37] anyone knows when new amarok hits breezy? [10:37] dholbach: so he can interview you [10:37] syouth: when it's done [10:37] syouth: never. [10:37] dholbach: yeah, for all the "Hi, I'm X and I use Ubuntu" things [10:37] syouth: breezy is closed [10:37] syouth: breezy is released. [10:38] syouth: it won't be in breezy, but breezy-backports [10:38] Treenaks: that will be brilliant [10:38] assuming that someone gets it in there [10:38] Treenaks: "my name is nico and i speak ubuntu" :) [10:38] tehee [10:38] "Hi, I'm Jeff Waugh".. ;) [10:38] ahha [10:38] ajmitch: rotfl [10:38] thanks... 1.3.5 was released yesterday [10:38] "my name is larry wall and i use gentoo ... no no nononono..." [10:39] dholbach: ;) [10:39] hm [10:39] daniels put the xgl server in dapper [10:39] I don't want 50 people saying "Hi, I'm Jeff Waugh" [10:39] I wonder how many users we'll have trying it out in the next few days ;) === colinl [n=colin@colino.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:40] Treenaks: or 25 saying "Hi, I'm Mark Shuttleworth" [10:40] Treenaks: just ask for the old and way too funny ID card of jeff :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:40] spayne: did you see Jono? [10:41] Treenaks: no, why? [10:41] spayne: no I mean his video [10:41] Hi guys. I've got a few questions about the package updating process in Breezy and Dapper. First one is, are the packages versions in breezy frozen (security updates only), or is it possible to push new upstream version in breezy-updates? [10:41] Treenaks: whivh video? [10:41] colinl: first one, yes [10:41] colinl: no new upstream versions in breezy-updates [10:42] colinl: no new upstream versions for ... [10:42] :) [10:42] spayne: see #lugradio :) [10:42] colinl: packages can be backported from Dapper if possible [10:42] except where absolutely required for security fixes [10:42] thanks [10:42] eg firefox got new upstream versions in hoary-security because it was hard to hack out the security patches [10:42] Can I update package db with breezy-backports in sources.list already? [10:42] no [10:43] aww [10:43] so, it's still possible to get new upstream releases for Dapper? I read somewhere it was frozen too for a greater stability, but is it only for Main packages or does it also include Universe? [10:43] colinl: currently we're getting new upstream versions synced automatically from debian, and it's a period of open development [10:44] the upstream version freeze will be earlier though [10:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule has the general proposal [10:45] ajmitch: ok, thanks. === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-18-5-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [10:45] ajmitch: I'm interested in particular examples, too, namely sylpheed-claws-gtk2 [10:46] upstream releases are late in debian because our packager is sponsored. How should I go about building packages for it and pushing them to dapper's universe? [10:46] if there are very good reasons, we can push it through breezy-backports [10:46] So when I can't sync against breezy-backports, then how's the best way for me to use new amaroK? [10:46] build dapper source on breezy [10:47] dholbach: this was an answer to syouth ? [10:47] once there's new amarok source in dapper :) [10:47] colinl: it's possible for the debian packager to get the packages into dapper first, although it's not ideal [10:48] colinl: how long does it take for them to get sponsored? [10:48] ajmitch: I don't really know. He's already sponsored, but his sponsor's slow :) [10:48] right [10:48] We released 1.9.15 three weeks ago and debian doesn't have it yet :) === ajmitch can understand that [10:49] 3 weeks isn't long if someone is busy [10:49] So when I change breezy in sources list to dapper I get like unstable/testing system? [10:49] true, true :) [10:49] syouth: you'd get to keep all the pieces [10:50] Oh. I wish I could use packages.mask like in Gentoo :) [10:50] syouth: I think you can use apt-pinning, but I don't really know how [10:50] so guys, do we already have dapper deboostrap packages? [10:50] syouth: you'd still have to wait for a package to get into dapper [10:50] sivang: yes [10:51] sivang: kamion uploaded a new debootstrap [10:51] ajmitch: cool, is it available from the deboostrap howot on the wiki? (as it was with breezy) [10:51] ajmitch: You mean when Dapper gets stable? [10:51] syouth: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html [10:51] Hmm, in debian they say you get to keep BOTH pieces :-) [10:51] minghua: here you get to keep them all [10:51] sivang: it's available in dapper [10:52] so you can get it from there if you want [10:52] colinl: Thanks. Looks like something I need. [10:52] ajmitch: thanks for the answers. I guess I'll rely on our debian packager and sponsor :) [10:53] colinl: Yeah. I'll try that out and see, if it works in Ubuntu too. [10:55] one day or another I'll bug you about my idea to replace the default Ubuntu mailer, which is Evolution, with Sylpheed-Claws. Although that sound unlikely to succeed :) [10:57] that will need a lot of convincing :) [10:57] I guess so :) [10:57] breezy is stable, then dapper is unstable? what is testing? [10:58] syouth: I think there's no testing, but I may be wrong [10:58] syouth: as far as I understand, ubuntu doesn't work like debian [10:59] they develop in a branch and release that branch, so there is no need of testing [10:59] minghua: correct, we don't have an intermediate branch to stabilise [11:00] Mortas: in fact, what's the rationale with having Evolution as default mailer, apart the fact it's the GNOME mailer? [11:01] I think that would be the main rationale, but I can't help you with that :) [11:01] ok :) === slomo [n=slomo@vpn-imt2.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:02] hi slomo [11:03] hi ajmitch :) [11:03] Mortas: do you think I should try to bribe Mark Shuttleworth? :) [11:03] slomo: uploaded the rest of universe yet? ;) [11:03] ajmitch: how's your todo list? shrinking? ;) [11:03] colinl: what incentive is there to switch? [11:03] slomo: I wish :( [11:04] ajmitch: no... now i must wait for xsp to get to main and tseng to upload monodoc... after that the rest will come [11:04] slomo: I got a few items knocked off the list, still got a few more to go [11:04] & only 1 day left before I fly [11:04] ajmitch: It looks like Evolution doesn't fit everyone, judging on the forum posts. But then, I guess S-Claws wouldn't either. I'm only half-serious here [11:05] ajmitch: hm... defer my packages to post-ubz time [11:05] slomo: or during-UBZ time ;) [11:05] ajmitch: yes... but that's low priority :P xsp for example is more important ;) [11:05] ajmitch: the main thing is that Evolution is a full-blown PIM whereas S-Claws is just a mailer. [11:06] ajmitch: some people seem to propose making the default mailer Thunderbird in Ubuntu [11:06] ajmitch: I just wanted to propose mine :) === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:06] colinl: seems logical when the default browser is FF [11:06] :) [11:08] how do I get the new debootstrap with dapper stuff? do I need to switch my apt.sources to dapper or is that a bit suicidal? === syouth uses TB too long now. TB seems to be faster for me at home where I have ~1Mbps ADSL === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B0449.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:09] colinl: oh please no ;) better get epiphany as default instead of firefox :P [11:10] slomo: I don't want TB as a default either :) [11:11] colinl: that how-to you gave me work. But I have no effect yet, because dapper has 1.3.1 of amaroK... I don't know any packages to test that have newer version in Dapper than Breezy. [11:11] , but seems like it works. [11:12] only this -ubuntu4 > -ubuntu5 ... [11:12] colinl: why? what is better with TB? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:14] slomo: http://claws.sylpheed.org/ - although that's just my opinion :) [11:15] prefs window on the screenshots page looks incredibly busy [11:16] colinl: sylpheed is lightweight but a usuability nightmare imho ;) [11:16] ajmitch: this is true [11:16] slomo: yup, as we're reaching 2.0 i'm working on that, I don't know how far I can get in this regard [11:17] colinl: the target audience for a default email client isn't going to be one who wants to tweak it until it shines [11:17] ok.... must go and work some for food! [11:17] bye! === syouth [n=ilvez@raadio.ut.ee] has left #ubuntu-motu ["."] [11:18] ajmitch: right [11:18] ajmitch: I'm considering registering on openusability.org, I think only good things could come out of it [11:18] (apart maybe, lots of work for me :)) [11:18] :) [11:20] colinl: yes, that's definitly a good idea [11:23] ajmitch: I need to probably dist-upgrade my breezy chroot for that, since I cannot have the package before installing it using dapper sources, no? :) [11:24] sivang: just grab the package directly from the mirror & install it [11:24] it has very few dependencies, none versioned [11:26] bbl [11:27] ajmitch: doh! right :) === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] see you guys, and thanks === colinl [n=colin@colino.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tifa [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:03] tseng: ping [12:05] conversion of packages from debian unstable -> breezy is automated or manual ? [12:05] breezy is closed and released. [12:05] sid->dapper is automatic for packages we haven't touched [12:05] ok === slomo [n=slomo@vpn-imt22.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:06] anything we have made changes to in breezy, we have to merge for dapper [12:06] oh, ok [12:06] how many such packages are there (approx.) ? how many volunteers are involved (approx.) ? [12:06] i meant, packages in which we made changes to in breezy [12:07] > 1000 packages [12:07] about 30 of us [12:07] for universe [12:07] ajmitch: do you know when MoM will start to fill bugreports? [12:08] slomo: when it starts ;) [12:08] slomo: sorry, I'm not the all-knowing oracle ;) [12:08] ajmitch: but you're near at it ;) [12:09] ajmitch: can you point me to a link which explains the process involved in packaging. i'm used to debian packaging. i wish to know the process involved in migration breezy->dapper === lucas [n=lucas@alabama.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:10] if you're used to debian packaging, then it's really not much different [12:10] ok [12:11] the main things to keep in mind are versioning & setting the distribution to dapper [12:11] oh, ok [12:11] my current job is somehow related as well :) [12:11] mine isn't [12:13] url (or wiki page) which explains the status of ongoing migration process ? [12:13] dapper just opened [12:13] there's nothing to see yet [12:13] for breezy we had a list of merge bugs in bugzilla [12:13] filed automatically [12:14] oh, ok. but, atleast as you said the list(>1000) where can i find the info ? [12:15] that was a quick guess based on using grep-dctrl to look for versions with ubuntu in them ;) [12:15] ok [12:17] thankx. i'll go through the bugs mentioned in bugzilla, bugzilla.u.c [12:17] and not all of those will need merged [12:17] yeah, i understand [12:17] ok, 1211 by looking at breezy's universe sources [12:18] and the current to-merge list in bugzilla is leftover from breezy [12:18] oh great! is there any other document other than the couple at wiki.u.c/MOTU* ? === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] bhuvan: yes? === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o tseng] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o bhuvan] by tseng === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o bhuvan] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o tseng] by tseng [12:45] someone please fix the access list =/ === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o siretart] by ChanServ [12:51] tseng: what's up with the access list? [12:51] i am not saying [12:53] oh well :) === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o dholbach] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-ooo bhuvan dholbach siretart] by dholbach === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o bhuvan] by ChanServ [12:55] that's better [12:56] we shouldn't need ops in here [12:56] no it's not [12:56] what's the problem? [12:56] bhuvan: what's your problem? [12:57] bhuvan: if you don't stop that script, i'll ban you from the channel [12:57] we only use ops for people who abuse the channel [12:58] ack [12:58] bhuvan: if you don't play by our rules, you're banned [12:58] everybody in favor? === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o dholbach] by ChanServ [12:59] dholbach: i think so :) [12:59] i dont think he is present [12:59] to be fair [01:00] he can ask to be let in when he returns, then [01:00] works for me. [01:00] post a 'poke me if you don't like it' in the kick message [01:00] i'll send a private message [01:00] that usually gets people to reply [01:01] dholbach: what did he do? [01:02] can somebody tell bhuvan how to teach centericq to deop? [01:03] sivang: he op'ed himself, even after 3 people de-oped him; and we just don't need ops in here [01:04] seems my account creates some problem, i dont know what it is! i'll unsubscribe for now and see what was the issue === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:04] ok... bbl :) bye bye [01:04] hm [01:05] looks like it's about head crash time === centericq-user [n=daniel@i577B0449.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o bhuvan] by ChanServ [01:09] hrm, this account doesn't op itself [01:09] ? === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:14] night all [01:14] time to sleep [01:14] night ajmitch [01:14] gn8 ajmitch [01:18] hiya dholbach [01:18] hey schweeb [01:18] man... long time no see [01:18] how are you? [01:18] been damn busy === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o dholbach] by dholbach [01:19] work work work [01:19] which is, incidentally, why I'm up right now [01:19] but you're alright? [01:20] yep [01:20] cool, nice to hear that :) [01:20] I'll be helping a bit more this release [01:21] ROCK... so we can all take it slow :) [01:21] there much MOTU stuff to fix yet? [01:21] stuff to merge, lots of bugs, ... :) [01:22] the usual :) [01:22] cool [01:22] bbiaf, shower time [01:22] have fun === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [n=Fabio@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [n=Fabio@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Sto] [01:36] dholbach: get your thesis or whatever all done? [01:37] yeah, it's over... finally :) [01:37]