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mhzogra: nice to see ya aroubd12:06
mhzaroubd12:06
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mhzogra: is everything going cool?12:07
ograyup12:07
ograi'm terribly tired 12:07
mhzsorry12:08
ograbut else everything is fine12:08
mhzbut maybe i can cheer you up by giving you and Jane good news12:08
ogramhz, about the comment from your friend.... why should X behave different if i wrap the X packages in ssh poackages ? 12:08
ograi dont understand his concern :)12:09
mhznop, we already talked about it with highvoltage 12:09
mhzand highvoltage did a great job explainig12:09
rexykikhey bluefrog, you around?12:10
ograah, k12:10
bluefrog-10yep12:11
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bluefrog-10ogra here's the stuff about samba-ldap. http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/367512:15
bluefrog-10fiddled a few hours today to setup a quick server ( mail, dns and so on ) but then discovered that it takes less time to set it up from a normal breezy. the server mode is missing so many things it's a nightmare (especially for CPAN)12:17
bluefrog-10rexykik, wazzup?12:18
ograbluefrog-10, thanks stored...12:19
ograsorry, have to save battery ...12:19
bluefrog-10:)12:19
ograbye12:20
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xDudexHello12:28
bluefrog-10hi12:28
xDudexquick question, or maybe it's quick12:29
xDudexis it easier to set up ltsp with edubuntu versus the standard ubuntu12:29
xDudexerr ?12:29
bluefrog-10edubuntu12:30
xDudexok, thank you12:31
xDudexI am downloading it right now12:31
xDudexI had been trying for quite some time to get it working with Ubuntu but it only got as far as the login screen....  quite frustrating12:32
bluefrog-10once u have installed edubuntu follow the guide on ubuntuwiki. ther's a glitch with ssh as well that can solved with the following...12:33
bluefrog-10sudo rm /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts12:34
bluefrog-10sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys12:34
bluefrog-10to do on the server12:34
bluefrog-10or if u want to install ltsp on normal breezy follow this http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/367312:35
rexykikbluefrog: any special guide i should follow for edubuntu (installing now), or can i just follow the one you gave me?12:36
xDudexexcellent12:36
bluefrog-10if u install edubuntu follow the edubuntu guide on ubuntuwiki12:36
rexykikxDudex, you have the problem where after logging into the terminal on xdm is just restarts X?12:37
rexykikit*12:37
bluefrog-10and if u have pb on login screen don't forget the ssh trick12:37
xDudexrexykik, yes12:37
rexykikme too12:37
rexykiki've been battling that today12:37
rexykikinstalling it now12:38
rexykik(edubuntu)12:38
xDudexI have burned and rebuilt it a few times trying to figure out the problem12:38
bluefrog-10I had the same pb when i installed the standalone12:38
xDudexbut that has all been with Ubuntu, not Edubuntu12:38
rexykikyeah.12:38
rexykikinstalling as we speak...hopefully it'll work and I can go home.12:38
rexykiki'm assuming i'll have to install gdm.12:38
xDudexltsp always lists that it's missing xdmcp12:39
bluefrog-10it's not a pb12:39
bluefrog-10edubuntu anyway doesn't use gdm nor xdm12:39
xDudexit's just the ssh problem, bluefrog?12:40
bluefrog-10on edubuntu if u have this pb yes. on normal breezy I don't know. the only thing i know is i had no more pb when i got rid of ltsp stanalone on nrmal breezy12:40
xDudexhence, the installation of ltsp-server instead of ltsp-server-standalone in those instructions you linked me to?12:41
rexykikis standalone installed by default on ed?12:41
bluefrog-10xDudex, yes12:42
xDudexahh, ok, makes sense...  I'm starting a fresh install and going to try out those instructions right now12:42
bluefrog-10rexykik, can't remember, all i know is that it is configured well, u just have to tweak the dhcpd;conf12:42
bluefrog-10for edubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPServerSetup?highlight=%28ltsp%2912:44
bluefrog-10time for me to hit the sac. last thing that saves me lots of time and in case u don't know it.12:47
bluefrog-10when u make a clean install, make an image using partimage in systemrescuecd (for example) before u start fiddling with your system. takes 2 to 3 minutes to reinstall the image if u need a fresh system again..12:48
xDudexok12:58
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odie5533My mom teaches a 4th grade class with 3 pcs. I was wondering which would be better to use: Edubuntu or Wind95 with educational windows games from the learning company and broarderbund03:42
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TopslakrI'm trying to get the dhcp server running on my server but it says i need a subnet declaration for eth0...04:00
Topslakri don't know what it's talking about. I have one set i think..04:01
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mhzhi, good chilean evening you all04:18
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mhzanyone knows how to add spanish locale to edubuntu applications?04:18
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mhz:(04:18
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mhzmagnon: why embarrosed04:38
mhz?04:38
magnonbecause I should know04:39
mhzBTW, i know how!04:39
mhzd'u wana know?04:39
mhzChristofer, why should you?04:39
mhzmagnon: ?04:41
magnonbecause, I use english all the time, but customers have Norwegian04:43
magnonwell, apt-get install language-support-es04:44
magnonif it's that simple04:44
mhzmagnon: GNOME: System -> Administration -> Language Selector04:45
magnonthat works for one user only, wouldn't it04:45
magnonI've got no idea, I never change from default :-P04:46
mhzwill 'automatically' install the packages you need04:46
magnonah, right04:46
mhzmagnon: that will work for all users who specify lang at GDM time04:46
magnonm'kay04:47
mhzbut sure, APT is actually doing it :)04:53
mhzmagnon: are you currently using edubuntu? your customers? students?04:54
magnonme, no04:54
magnonsome students, yes04:54
mhzah, what are their impressions so far?04:54
magnongood, overall04:54
magnonbut I've been away04:54
magnonso I can't really tell :-P04:54
mhzhehehe04:54
mhz.oO(they all have switched to M$)04:55
magnonI'm going to UBZ so I should have had a talk first :p04:55
=== mhz couldnt afford to but whishes to
magnonI couldn't really afford it either04:56
mhzbut?04:56
magnonbut, I'm combining it with some other things04:56
mhzoh, educool04:56
magnonvisiting a friend in NY04:56
magnonsome others in Ottawa04:56
mhzmy wife didn't let me, period :D04:57
magnonhehe04:57
magnonI'm single and all04:57
mhzhehehe04:57
mhzohhhh, that explains it04:57
mhzMaybe next time, meeting will be here in Chile04:57
magnonick04:57
ajmitch_aha, so that's the Christoffer :)04:58
mhzChile is cheap for you04:58
magnonmhz: on one hand, traveling halfway around the world is fun, but expensive flights04:58
mhzhmmm, yes and nop.04:59
magnonajmitch_, yes :)04:59
ajmitch_magnon: you get into UBZ on the 30th?04:59
magnonI'll come from Ottawa, hungover, on Sunday morning04:59
ajmitch_heh04:59
ajmitch_so I'll have the room to myself to recover from jetlag on the saturday :)04:59
mhzI have talked to many friends and Chile is cheaper than going to Australia or almost same as US from Europe04:59
magnonoh, my roomie :D05:00
ajmitch_yep05:00
mhzwe should have a campaign: Those who couldn't afford to get there but have done some good job for edubuntu community should get at least the pleasure of a T-Shirt sent home :D05:01
magnonyou might get the room on monday night too, if I take off for Halloween :P05:01
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odie5533Is there an accelerated reader-like program for edubuntu?05:26
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mhzodie5533: i did not get your question?06:07
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odie5533Does broaderbund and the learning company software run on Edubuntu?07:11
odie5533Like The Zoombinis and Mountain Rescue? maybe?07:14
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odie5533Anyone here even?07:59
juliuxodie5533, can bee or not08:01
odie5533juliux, do you run edubuntu?08:03
juliuxodie5533, yes i do08:03
odie5533Are you a teacher?08:04
juliuxodie5533, no i am a student08:04
odie5533What grade are you in if you don't mind me asking?08:04
juliuxodie5533, i run edubuntu on my home computer 08:04
odie5533What for?08:05
odie5533TuxPaint?08:05
juliuxi manage the german fair acitivity for ubuntu08:05
juliuxand at the fairs we have a edubuntu server and thinclients08:05
odie5533Ah08:05
juliuxand we show the visitors edubuntu and ubuntu08:05
odie5533What do the thin clients run?08:05
odie5533what specs I mean to say08:06
juliuxjust notebooks wicht boots via pxe08:06
juliuxs/wicht/which08:06
odie5533Ah and why do you do this?08:06
odie5533you yourself08:06
juliuxbecause ubuntu and edubuntu are coll08:07
juliuxs/coll/cool08:07
odie5533what is that s/coll/cool thing? and the s/wicht/which?08:07
juliuxthat is sed syntax08:07
odie5533What is sed?08:07
juliuxman sed ;-)08:08
juliuxmoment i have to find the english words08:08
odie5533Is it specific to bash?08:08
juliuxhm no08:08
juliuxwith sed you can replace words08:08
odie5533could it be used in say a C progra,?08:09
juliuxso coll is the search pattern and it has to replace buy cool08:09
juliuxs/buy/by08:09
odie5533ah I see08:09
juliuxit is a unix tool08:09
odie5533yes08:10
odie5533hmm so ubuntu is cool and you show it off at a fair in germany?08:10
juliuxbut not a bash tool you can it also use with other shells08:10
juliuxyes08:10
juliuxif will do this08:10
juliuxwiki.ubuntuusers.de/Messen/2006 there you can see where we will do that08:10
juliuxsorry is only in german08:11
odie5533aww I can't come :(08:11
odie5533Hmm so has anyone taken any information from the fair and like... used Edubuntu in a school in Germany there?08:12
odie5533Do you hand anything out there?08:12
juliuxi hope we will have a flyer about ubuntu and edbuntu08:13
odie5533Do any school districts there use edubuntu?08:14
juliuxi don't know08:14
juliuxbecause in germany every school can use what they want08:14
juliuxbut i hope we can do a part that they will use edubuntu08:15
odie5533Why edubuntu? Why not show off... windows xp?08:15
odie5533jk ;)08:16
odie5533Do you take pictures at the event?08:16
juliuxbecause edubuntu is free, edubuntu is very easy to install, there is only one computer what need to maintain08:16
juliuxyes i think we will take pictures08:17
odie5533When is it?08:17
juliuxthe event?08:17
odie5533yes08:17
juliuxthe first one is at the 3 and 4 december this year in essen08:18
juliuxthis is a normal linux day08:18
juliuxwhere we have both08:18
odie5533oh wow not too soon then08:18
odie5533do you speak german?08:18
juliuxyes of course08:18
odie5533o08:19
juliuxi live in germany08:19
juliuxs/live/life08:19
odie5533Hmm and you use Edubuntu on your home pc?08:19
odie5533nope, its live in germany, not life ;)08:19
odie5533had it right the first time08:19
juliuxshit08:19
odie5533life is a noun08:19
juliuxyes i have a desktop pc and a notebook an on the desktop pc is edubutu08:20
juliuxthis is the server for the fairs08:20
odie5533Why not plain Ubuntu?08:20
juliuxbecause i want to have a terminal server :-)08:20
odie5533Hmm what for08:20
juliuxfor the fairs08:21
odie5533But the fair isnt till december08:21
juliuxso that every visitor can try out ubuntu and edubuntu08:21
odie5533how many thin clients are there?08:22
juliuxyes but i want to play with the system08:22
juliuxi think 5-708:22
odie5533Do you know your way around edubuntu then?08:22
juliuxsorry what does you mean08:22
juliux?08:22
odie5533lol?08:23
juliuxi want to understand my system08:23
odie5533Do you understand your system though08:23
juliuxsorry my english isn't very good and its very early in the morning08:23
juliuxi hope so08:23
odie5533how good are you in TuxPaint?08:24
juliuxnever used08:24
odie5533im probably better at it than you08:24
juliuxyes08:24
odie5533Wanna have a TuxPaint Battle?08:24
juliuxno thanks08:24
odie5533o08:24
juliuxi have to go to university in a few minutes08:25
odie5533lets have the battle when you get back ok?08:25
juliuxok08:25
odie5533bring it on08:25
juliuxi will do08:26
juliuxat first i have to install it on my computer08:27
juliuxodie5533, what is a tuxpoint battle?08:29
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DarthTodebonjour everybody !09:28
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juliuxre03:27
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Yagisanhighvoltage: ping06:33
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Yagisanogra: ping06:35
ograYagisan, pong06:35
Yagisanogra: Have you seen mhz around ?, I've got a question re and edit he made06:36
Yagisan*re a06:36
ograyesterday, very shortly... i wasnt online most of th time due to travelling06:36
highvoltageYagisan: pong06:37
highvoltageogra: good to see you here again06:37
ograhey highvoltage :)06:37
Yagisanhighvoltage: how have you been ?06:37
highvoltageYagisan: strange06:38
highvoltage:)06:38
highvoltageYagisan: last night i went to bed early, and overslept this morning, and then i felt sleepy all day.06:38
Yagisanogra: I added some stuff to the wiki by myself and jeffubuntu and noticed to authorship notice was removed06:39
ograhmm06:39
Yagisanhighvoltage: Just got home from celebrating my birthday06:39
ograYagisan, HEY ! HAPPY BIRTHDAY !06:39
Yagisanogra: It's not even in the source, I understand he wants "community" docs, but I want to clarify with him why06:40
Yagisanogra: thanks :) turned 24 on the 27th06:40
highvoltageYagisan: yes, happy birthday!!06:41
ogra:)06:41
Yagisanalthough, over here it finished 2hrs, 40mins ago "offically" I'm still celebrating :)06:42
Yagisanmy little girl had a late night, and a 5 star dinner06:42
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Yagisanogra: you arrived for the conference ?06:44
ograyup06:44
ograjust starting to write my talk06:44
Yagisanogra: giving a demo ?06:44
ograhopefully... dunno how my laptop behaves on a projector06:44
ogra(widescreen)06:45
Yagisanogra: multiarch :) you'll probally need some etherboot cds too06:46
ogranah, enough PXE alppies around i guess06:46
ogra*lappies06:46
ogragot a switch and 5 wires with me :)06:47
ogramultiarch tsp is already installed ...06:47
ogra*ltsp06:47
Yagisanogra: that uploaded to dapper yet ?06:47
ogranope06:48
ograduring or after the conf06:48
Yagisanogra: ok - haven't built my dapper chroots yet.06:48
Yagisanogra: do you use distcc ?06:48
ogranope... 06:48
Yagisanogra: I think it is broken, I need some independent confirmation though06:49
Yagisanogra: I set up a nice pbuilder + ccache + distcc setup06:49
ograi saw you talking about on -motu06:50
Yagisanogra: but with distcc - all compiles fail06:50
Yagisanogra: yep - and no confirmation yet06:50
Yagisanogra: it really bugs me, I want to know if I fucked it up, and no one uses it06:51
ograYagisan, see if you can get hands on fabbione, i know he uses it extensively06:52
Yagisanogra: oh ? /me notes that down.06:53
Yagisanogra: Did I tell you about / you see,  the complaints I got in the forums because my private repo was down ?06:54
ogranope ? what do you provide there ? 06:56
Yagisanogra: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/doomsday.html06:56
Yagisanogra: most of it is pending at revu, I need to dfsg the source, and upstream did a new release that I need to test06:57
Yagisanogra: It sure is nice to be popular :)06:58
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ograhaha06:59
ogra:)06:59
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Yagisanogra: THAT is the app that I really want to run on the ltsp network06:59
ogradoit :)07:00
Yagisanogra: so I can work on it from any of my systems - instead of the server07:00
Yagisanogra: but then it runs like a slideshow !07:00
Yagisanogra: like the screenies ? it's hard to believe that is just Doom 2 with basically models and high-res textures07:02
\shhey ogra...how is the weather in montreal? :)07:03
ogracloudy but dry07:03
ograaround 6C07:03
\shsounds fine :) better then here...sunny but windy07:03
ograbut windy as hell... makes it feel very odd07:04
ograsusus told me we had nearly 30C at home yesterday :)07:04
\shogra: u r lucky...that u didn't feel guenthers thunderstorm yesterday07:04
\shogra: yepp07:04
ogra(i'm sure she exaggerates)07:04
\shwell...something like 25 was it..when I came home07:05
ograwoah07:05
\shstrange weather for germany in autum07:05
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Yagisansounds like the weather down here07:05
ograwow, actually 1807:06
\shogra: in eifel? well..here was 25 (believing the sparkasse ,-))07:06
ograthats *very* unusual for this time of year07:06
\sh*veryvery*07:07
\shbut in ISH land we hat thunderstorm guenther 07:07
ogra\sh, can you bring a big connector strip (steckerleiste) please ? i forgot mine ...07:07
\shogra: noted :) 07:08
ograthanks :)07:08
\shogra: how bug?07:08
\shaeh big?07:08
ograa 5er ?07:08
ograat least 3 ...07:08
\shmake 6 and we're ok :)07:08
\shwell...I will buy a new one...mine are somewhat occupied07:09
\shor two07:09
ograi'll pay it :)07:09
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\shogra: no...i need new ones as well ;)07:10
\shogra: hope my salary is on my account tomorrow ;)07:10
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Yagisanhighvoltage: are you 196.7.130.247 ?07:20
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highvoltageYagisan: no07:22
highvoltagealthough, that ip address looks very familiar.07:22
Yagisanhighvoltage: I ask, as it is a south african address - and I know you are in that area07:23
highvoltagemy sites are all hosted overseas, since it's expensive to host locally :)07:24
Yagisanhighvoltage: looks like a have a visitor to my hoary repo from around there07:24
highvoltageah, it was me :)07:25
highvoltageit's my isp's address.07:25
highvoltagei'm natted very deep, that's an upstream ip.07:25
Yagisanhighvoltage: heh - I called it. Breezy repo will be open next week, so I suggest browse now, and check the website every few days07:26
highvoltageok07:26
Yagisanhighvoltage: breezy will get beta3, + cleaned up resource packs07:27
highvoltagei'd like to have some games for ubuntu. since i deleted windows i've missed my old games.07:27
Yagisanhighvoltage: i386 only I'm afraid (I have no ppc, and it still isn't 64bit clean)07:27
highvoltagei don't have 64bit or ppc either, only i386.07:28
Yagisanhighvoltage: I think most users do, that's why I packaged it - it was later determined that it can't go to multiverse07:28
highvoltagehow so?07:29
highvoltageis it non-free software?07:29
Yagisanhighvoltage: without some removals, because there is some dumb arse activision eula tagged on to a generally free license07:29
Yagisanhighvoltage: there is a license file - it says you may not distribute this file, later in the doc, it says you may distribute this file07:30
highvoltagethat sux.07:30
Yagisanhighvoltage: the motus felt that was unsuitable for multiverse, so I have a 3rd party repo, harrass upstream, and am working on a dfsg version07:31
Yagisanhighvoltage: which is all legal on my local law, but would not be in say germany07:32
highvoltagei think it's good that you're harrassing upstream07:41
Yagisanhighvoltage: I think the 2.0 rewrite will be ok, but I will have to rip out heretic & hexen support for the 1.9.x releases07:45
Yagisanhighvoltage: It's one of the few games I like (as you can tell on the website)07:45
Yagisannight all07:47
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\shre07:53
ograhey cloaker :)07:56
juliuxogra, are there pressed edubuntu cds? 07:57
\shogra: yeah..after some difficulties07:57
\shwith my  \ ;)07:57
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ograjuliux, nope07:58
juliuxogra, ok thanks07:58
ograand i doubt we'll make any... mark will only pay for one release... dapper might be the one07:58
\shogra: please talk to amu...07:59
juliuxogra, ok thanks07:59
\shogra: i want to see some cds on the shop for 1 eur07:59
ogra\sh, will do :)07:59
\shogra: and please tell him, that edubuntu is not a "nieschenprodukt"08:00
juliux\sh, +108:00
ograhehe08:00
\shogra: or we have to sit someday and buy a HP laser dvd recorder with printing function..08:00
\shogra: or let it make 5 eur where 4 euros will be donated08:01
juliuxogra, a cd design would be nice, so we can burn them and label them08:01
gandI'm dist-upgrade, do you know a mirror list to configure sources.list?08:01
ograjuliux, there is a CD cover alread08:01
ogray08:01
juliuxogra, in the wiki?08:01
ograhttp://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip08:02
ograbut we didnt work out the text yet08:02
gandwhen my byttery finished my ibook went to sleep... and never wake up :(08:04
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gandbyttery/battery08:04
jelknerogra: oliver, you here?08:04
\shgand: this is more #ubuntu or #ubuntu-laptop :)08:04
ograjelkner, nope... :) i'm in montreal08:04
jelknerlol cool!08:04
jelkneri'll be joining you next week08:05
highvoltagethere's an ubuntu-laptop?08:05
ograyup :)08:05
jelknerthat's what i wanted to talk about08:05
\shhighvoltage: yeah08:05
jelkneris there anything i need to put on the website before then?08:05
ogrado you feel anything is missing ? then add it08:06
gandthank, I need only upgrade mirror list, not speaking about laptop, sorry08:06
jelknerwell, there is a lot missing, we will be doing the spec for dapper next week08:06
jelkneri think we can do it in 3 days08:06
\shjelkner: convince JaneW that she is baking another 10 edubuntu cakes before ubuntu love day ;)08:06
ograjelkner, was this spec added to the speclist last week ? 08:07
jelknerJaneW: we *really* need the cakes!08:07
jelkneri don't know?08:07
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ograjelkner, if you didnt add it it might not be there and thus might not be scheduled 08:08
\shJaneW: *withgreyblueeyeslookingatyou* please bake some cakes...I heard, that the kitchen in a holliday inn is quite good ,-)08:08
gandA n adununtu question, a collegue ask me if edubuntu is for 6/10 or 10/14 or over 14 years old students?08:08
highvoltageJaneW: that "*withgreyblueeyeslookingatyou*", does that ever work?08:08
highvoltagesorry, meant to ask \sh :)08:09
jelknerbut JaneW asked me to do it08:09
ograjelkner, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs08:09
\shhighvoltage: sometimes...08:09
jelkneri also see: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/DapperGoals08:09
\shhighvoltage: my greyblueeyes are underlined by my blue glasses ,-)08:09
ograjelkner, thats not relevant for the conf schedule08:10
jelknerok08:11
ograit will be totally built aournd the speclist08:11
jelkneri see your posting: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-use-management08:11
jelknerso i'm not really clear on what to do08:11
jelknera down under we created a single spec for edubuntu08:12
jelknerdo we want to do that again?08:12
ograthat one is merged with the ubuntu spec08:12
ogra(the launchpad spec)08:12
jelkneror is it far enough along now that we need seperate specs for different things?08:12
jelknerhow will we proceed with things like:08:13
jelkner1. local devices08:13
ograhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/network-authentication08:13
ograthats adreesed already08:13
jelknersound too?08:13
jelknerwhere?08:13
ograi'm struggling a bit with sound stuff, since i refuse to use esd or nas08:13
ograits on the list08:13
ograi'm the drafter, but sabdfl and mdz want the ltsp guys to lead the BOFs08:14
jelknerso what should i be doing?08:15
jelkneri see content filtering is there too, very important!08:16
ogradropped... mdz doesnt want me to work on it ... i'll have to talk to him about it08:16
jelknerouch!08:17
JaneWhi guys08:17
jelkneri'll talk to him too08:17
\shhey JaneW 08:17
jelkneredubuntu won't fly without it08:17
ograhe thinks setting up squid for transparent proxying by default is to dangerous/intrusive on the package08:17
JaneWcan't chat now, but if you want stuff scheduled get the spec registered on Launchpad asap08:17
JaneWthey are going through the list right now and rejecting or approving them for discussion at UBZ08:17
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ograjelkner, what we will provide wont be better than a cheapo dsl route with content filter...08:17
ogra*router08:17
jelknerdo cheapo routers do that now?08:18
ograboth that i have at home provite a blacklist based filter ...08:18
ogramost do that08:19
\shwe need some good stuff for ubuntu-server which makes it easy to set up a firewall..(firewall == concept of securing a network)08:19
ograbut its still hard to administer08:19
jelknerrun dan's guardian or something similar?08:19
ograjust a blacklist08:19
jelknerit is state law in most us schools that you *have* to filter08:19
\shpacketfilter, url filter, application filter08:19
ograwith pattern matching...08:19
jelknerok, i'll be setting that up for the mt rainier library08:20
ogramdz doesnt want me to cripple the available squid package, so lets see what w can work out ... i think making trasparent proxy a debconf option on package install shouldnt be to hard08:20
ograbut as long as he disagrees, i wont gain any ground there08:21
jelknerok, i'll wait until next week to talk to you more about that08:21
\shogra: squid improved in filtering urls? or filtering active-x crap or java applet crap?08:21
jelknerwithout filtering, the system isn't usable in most places we want to use it08:21
ogra\sh, squid+squidguard+a simple balcklist package you can regulary update08:22
jelknerso even if it is a technical marvel, it won't get anywhere08:22
ograonly a url filter with regex pattern matching08:22
jelkneranyway, what do you want me to do?08:22
ograprobably + a gui for editing the blacklists08:22
jelkneri have my own itches to scratch (edubuntu for CS education), but beyond that, i'm at your disposal08:23
ograjelkner, give us the necessary input from the field :)08:23
jelknercertainly08:23
ograwe rely on your experience ...08:26
ograadd the specs to the list you find missing asap...08:26
ograso JaneW can fight for tem :)08:27
ogra*them08:27
jelknerwhere do i look for the current list? (pardon slow response times, i'm in class ;-)08:33
jelkneri can think of two things that are probably not there:08:34
jelkner1. python teaching tools08:34
jelkner2. java teaching tools08:34
jelkner1 is particularly important08:34
jelknerthe current debian wxpython has some serious bugs08:35
ograhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec08:35
ogra2.4 should be fine ...08:35
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crimsunwxpython 2.4 or 2.6?08:36
jelkner2.608:36
ogranote that we didnt want to talk aboput app selection for edubuntu at UBZ, we'll (hopefully) have a edubuntu summit again dedicated to app selection08:36
jelknerthere are 186 specs08:36
jelknerin no particular order08:36
ograapp selection ate too much time at the last summit....08:37
crimsunjelkner: reproducible in Breezy's/Dapper's wxpython 2.6?08:37
jelknercrimsun: yes, it is a mouse bug08:38
jelknerpretty anoying08:38
jelknerannoying08:38
jelknerthe mouse cursor locks up08:38
crimsunBTS #?08:38
jelknerBTS?08:38
ograjelkner, bugzilla number 08:39
crimsunif gcc-4.0 has finished building, we can probably upload a fix08:39
jelkneroh, well the problem is that i wasn't sure where the bug was located08:39
jelkneri first saw it in gvr08:39
jelknerand we reported a gvr bug08:39
jelknerthen i saw it in spe and drpython08:39
ograjelkner, youre not supposed to fix it, just report it ;)08:39
jelkneri understand, i did report it08:40
jelknerbut on the wrong package08:40
jelkneri'm about to start teaching python08:41
jelkneri don't know what development environment to use08:42
jelkneraside from being a personal issue for me, i think it is actually an important long term issue for ubuntu/edubuntu08:42
jelknerif we want to really grow the community in the long run08:42
jelknerwe need to provide young folks with the tools to begin learning software development08:43
jelknerpython is almost there...08:43
crimsundo you have a bugzilla/malone #?08:43
\shjelkner: if you are brave...use eric as python ide...it's the best I know..but I'm the one who is somehow responsible for the pyQT/pyKDE stuff behind it ;)08:43
\shjelkner: but it's qt/kde stuff :(08:44
jelkner\sh: i tend to favor either spe or drpython08:44
jelknerbecause i'm a gnome user, and what i'm really looking for is good pythoncard and pygame integration08:44
jelknerspe looks the most promissing08:44
\shjelkner: spe? this is the pywxgtk stuff which doko brought in during breezy...08:44
\shVon: Matthias Klose <doko@ubuntu.com>08:45
\shAntwort an: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com08:45
\shAn: breezy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com08:45
\shBetreff: Accepted spe 0.7.5c-1 (source)08:45
\shyeah it is08:45
ograyup08:45
\shit crashed after 5 mins of testing for me :(08:46
ograbut edubuntu has all the kde libs installed anyway... shouldnt make probs to use eric08:46
\shogra: pyqt/pykde stuff is in main anyways08:46
\shogra: and I was upset about it ;)08:46
ograin opposite to wxpython08:47
jelkneri'll actually be happy to use whatever you guys tell me to use08:47
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jelknermy main hope is to use what will eventually become the "edubuntu default"08:48
\shjelkner: check eric...really...it's a real mature IDE for python and it has a good help system..you can include everything u want08:48
ograjelkner, i'd be happy to include *one* IDE based on your expertise08:48
jelknerok, i need to run now..08:48
jelknerwe will down load eric and check it out08:49
\shjelkner: when are u coming to ubz?08:49
ogra\sh, yes he is08:49
ogranext week afaik08:49
\shogra: so from monday?08:49
jelkner\sh tuesday evening08:50
jelkneri get in at 6:10 pm08:50
jelkneron tuesday08:50
jelknerand i'm there until sunday08:50
\shjelkner: wonderful :) so we have a lot to discuss08:50
jelkner\sh what is your name?08:50
\shjelkner: StephanHermann08:50
\shjelkner: ogra will introduce ;)08:51
ograsure :)08:51
jelknerexcellent, Stephan, I'm looking forward to meeting you08:51
ogra\sh, jelkner is the guy who will be together with the huge massive and loud guy with the cowboy hat :)08:51
ogra(assuming flint comes)08:52
jelknerhe will be there first08:52
ograah, k08:52
\shogra: I wonder if I should wear my red hat fedora to be recognized ;)08:52
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jelknerhopefully you can rope him in before i get there08:52
jelknergood luck!08:52
ogralol08:52
\shjelkner: see u in montreal :) 08:52
ograjelkner, its not a rodeo :)08:53
ograonly a conferece :)08:53
ogragoing smoking08:54
\shogra: the human being is allowed to smoke in public in montreal?08:55
ogra\sh, sure09:05
ogramy taxi driver gave me a cigarette while he drove me here from the airport :)09:05
crimsunhow was the flight, ogra?09:06
ograterrible ... tubulences all over ...09:06
ograi guess we flew over the remainings of katie ...09:07
ajmitch_lol09:07
ajmitch_ogra: but we haven't moved to launchpad yet ;)09:07
crimsunogra: ouch, sorry to hear09:08
ograi survived :)09:08
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gandthank bye09:11
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pituxhello10:29
\shoh mann10:35
\shsry10:36
\shogra: u plan to attend the essen linux tag?10:36
ogra\sh, i think so10:36
\shogra: cool...joining u...I promised it10:37
\sh"Take A Photo With A MOTU"10:37
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Lord_Athurhi10:50
Lord_AthurI'm a kubuntu user and I want to install edubuntu with apt-get, what must I do?10:50
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Lord_Athuror what repositories do I have to have for install it?10:52
Lord_Athurcan someone help me!!!???!!!10:55
pituxaptitude install edubuntu-desktop10:55
pituxsearch in your synpatic with the string "edubuntu"10:56
Lord_Athurgood idea10:58
Lord_Athur:P10:58
pitux;D10:58
Lord_Athurdoes edubuntu have a live CD for use in classrooms for example?10:59
weasl77only an install disk as far as I know11:00
Lord_Athurok11:00
Lord_Athur:S11:00
weasl77(it would be an ideal answer):-,11:00
Lord_Athurpitux, synpatic did not find no thing11:02
pituxummmmmm11:02
pituxUse the breezy version?11:03
pituxsorry my english no is good11:03
Lord_Athurpitux, what's your native language?11:04
pituxspanish11:07
Lord_Athuren ese caso tampoco tenemos problemas11:08
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Lord_Athurno uso breezy11:09
bluefrog-10did you apt-get update?11:10
Lord_Athuryes I did this before try installing edubuntu-desktop11:10
pituxedubuntu is only in breezy11:11
Lord_Athurwhy?11:11
pituxedubuntu is not in hoary11:11
Lord_Athur...11:11
Lord_Athur11:11
Lord_Athurthat problem!11:11
pituxLord_Athur, answer my messages privates please11:12
Lord_Athurcan I change my sistem from hoary to freezy?11:12
pituxyeah11:12
pituxis very easy11:12
pituxchange in the sources.list the string hoary for breezy11:12
pituxnext sudo aptitude update11:13
Lord_Athurleasve me see....11:13
pituxsudo aptitude dist-upgarde11:13
pituxmore information in the channel #ubuntu-es11:13
pituxfor users in spanish11:14
Lord_Athurbye11:15
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