| mhz | ogra: nice to see ya aroubd | 12:06 |
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| mhz | aroubd | 12:06 |
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| === ogra waves from montreal | ||
| === mhz still wavez from Chile :) | ||
| mhz | ogra: is everything going cool? | 12:07 |
| ogra | yup | 12:07 |
| ogra | i'm terribly tired | 12:07 |
| mhz | sorry | 12:08 |
| ogra | but else everything is fine | 12:08 |
| mhz | but maybe i can cheer you up by giving you and Jane good news | 12:08 |
| ogra | mhz, about the comment from your friend.... why should X behave different if i wrap the X packages in ssh poackages ? | 12:08 |
| ogra | i dont understand his concern :) | 12:09 |
| mhz | nop, we already talked about it with highvoltage | 12:09 |
| mhz | and highvoltage did a great job explainig | 12:09 |
| rexykik | hey bluefrog, you around? | 12:10 |
| ogra | ah, k | 12:10 |
| bluefrog-10 | yep | 12:11 |
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| bluefrog-10 | ogra here's the stuff about samba-ldap. http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/3675 | 12:15 |
| bluefrog-10 | fiddled a few hours today to setup a quick server ( mail, dns and so on ) but then discovered that it takes less time to set it up from a normal breezy. the server mode is missing so many things it's a nightmare (especially for CPAN) | 12:17 |
| bluefrog-10 | rexykik, wazzup? | 12:18 |
| ogra | bluefrog-10, thanks stored... | 12:19 |
| ogra | sorry, have to save battery ... | 12:19 |
| bluefrog-10 | :) | 12:19 |
| ogra | bye | 12:20 |
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| xDudex | Hello | 12:28 |
| bluefrog-10 | hi | 12:28 |
| xDudex | quick question, or maybe it's quick | 12:29 |
| xDudex | is it easier to set up ltsp with edubuntu versus the standard ubuntu | 12:29 |
| xDudex | err ? | 12:29 |
| bluefrog-10 | edubuntu | 12:30 |
| xDudex | ok, thank you | 12:31 |
| xDudex | I am downloading it right now | 12:31 |
| xDudex | I had been trying for quite some time to get it working with Ubuntu but it only got as far as the login screen.... quite frustrating | 12:32 |
| bluefrog-10 | once u have installed edubuntu follow the guide on ubuntuwiki. ther's a glitch with ssh as well that can solved with the following... | 12:33 |
| bluefrog-10 | sudo rm /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts | 12:34 |
| bluefrog-10 | sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys | 12:34 |
| bluefrog-10 | to do on the server | 12:34 |
| bluefrog-10 | or if u want to install ltsp on normal breezy follow this http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/3673 | 12:35 |
| rexykik | bluefrog: any special guide i should follow for edubuntu (installing now), or can i just follow the one you gave me? | 12:36 |
| xDudex | excellent | 12:36 |
| bluefrog-10 | if u install edubuntu follow the edubuntu guide on ubuntuwiki | 12:36 |
| rexykik | xDudex, you have the problem where after logging into the terminal on xdm is just restarts X? | 12:37 |
| rexykik | it* | 12:37 |
| bluefrog-10 | and if u have pb on login screen don't forget the ssh trick | 12:37 |
| xDudex | rexykik, yes | 12:37 |
| rexykik | me too | 12:37 |
| rexykik | i've been battling that today | 12:37 |
| rexykik | installing it now | 12:38 |
| rexykik | (edubuntu) | 12:38 |
| xDudex | I have burned and rebuilt it a few times trying to figure out the problem | 12:38 |
| bluefrog-10 | I had the same pb when i installed the standalone | 12:38 |
| xDudex | but that has all been with Ubuntu, not Edubuntu | 12:38 |
| rexykik | yeah. | 12:38 |
| rexykik | installing as we speak...hopefully it'll work and I can go home. | 12:38 |
| rexykik | i'm assuming i'll have to install gdm. | 12:38 |
| xDudex | ltsp always lists that it's missing xdmcp | 12:39 |
| bluefrog-10 | it's not a pb | 12:39 |
| bluefrog-10 | edubuntu anyway doesn't use gdm nor xdm | 12:39 |
| xDudex | it's just the ssh problem, bluefrog? | 12:40 |
| bluefrog-10 | on edubuntu if u have this pb yes. on normal breezy I don't know. the only thing i know is i had no more pb when i got rid of ltsp stanalone on nrmal breezy | 12:40 |
| xDudex | hence, the installation of ltsp-server instead of ltsp-server-standalone in those instructions you linked me to? | 12:41 |
| rexykik | is standalone installed by default on ed? | 12:41 |
| bluefrog-10 | xDudex, yes | 12:42 |
| xDudex | ahh, ok, makes sense... I'm starting a fresh install and going to try out those instructions right now | 12:42 |
| bluefrog-10 | rexykik, can't remember, all i know is that it is configured well, u just have to tweak the dhcpd;conf | 12:42 |
| bluefrog-10 | for edubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPServerSetup?highlight=%28ltsp%29 | 12:44 |
| bluefrog-10 | time for me to hit the sac. last thing that saves me lots of time and in case u don't know it. | 12:47 |
| bluefrog-10 | when u make a clean install, make an image using partimage in systemrescuecd (for example) before u start fiddling with your system. takes 2 to 3 minutes to reinstall the image if u need a fresh system again.. | 12:48 |
| xDudex | ok | 12:58 |
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| odie5533 | My mom teaches a 4th grade class with 3 pcs. I was wondering which would be better to use: Edubuntu or Wind95 with educational windows games from the learning company and broarderbund | 03:42 |
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| Topslakr | I'm trying to get the dhcp server running on my server but it says i need a subnet declaration for eth0... | 04:00 |
| Topslakr | i don't know what it's talking about. I have one set i think.. | 04:01 |
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| mhz | hi, good chilean evening you all | 04:18 |
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| mhz | anyone knows how to add spanish locale to edubuntu applications? | 04:18 |
| === mhz always uses 100% english but many people has now asked me about spanish | ||
| mhz | :( | 04:18 |
| === magnon is a bit embarassed not to know | ||
| mhz | magnon: why embarrosed | 04:38 |
| mhz | ? | 04:38 |
| magnon | because I should know | 04:39 |
| mhz | BTW, i know how! | 04:39 |
| mhz | d'u wana know? | 04:39 |
| mhz | Christofer, why should you? | 04:39 |
| mhz | magnon: ? | 04:41 |
| magnon | because, I use english all the time, but customers have Norwegian | 04:43 |
| magnon | well, apt-get install language-support-es | 04:44 |
| magnon | if it's that simple | 04:44 |
| mhz | magnon: GNOME: System -> Administration -> Language Selector | 04:45 |
| magnon | that works for one user only, wouldn't it | 04:45 |
| magnon | I've got no idea, I never change from default :-P | 04:46 |
| mhz | will 'automatically' install the packages you need | 04:46 |
| magnon | ah, right | 04:46 |
| mhz | magnon: that will work for all users who specify lang at GDM time | 04:46 |
| magnon | m'kay | 04:47 |
| mhz | but sure, APT is actually doing it :) | 04:53 |
| mhz | magnon: are you currently using edubuntu? your customers? students? | 04:54 |
| magnon | me, no | 04:54 |
| magnon | some students, yes | 04:54 |
| mhz | ah, what are their impressions so far? | 04:54 |
| magnon | good, overall | 04:54 |
| magnon | but I've been away | 04:54 |
| magnon | so I can't really tell :-P | 04:54 |
| mhz | hehehe | 04:54 |
| mhz | .oO(they all have switched to M$) | 04:55 |
| magnon | I'm going to UBZ so I should have had a talk first :p | 04:55 |
| === mhz couldnt afford to but whishes to | ||
| magnon | I couldn't really afford it either | 04:56 |
| mhz | but? | 04:56 |
| magnon | but, I'm combining it with some other things | 04:56 |
| mhz | oh, educool | 04:56 |
| magnon | visiting a friend in NY | 04:56 |
| magnon | some others in Ottawa | 04:56 |
| mhz | my wife didn't let me, period :D | 04:57 |
| magnon | hehe | 04:57 |
| magnon | I'm single and all | 04:57 |
| mhz | hehehe | 04:57 |
| mhz | ohhhh, that explains it | 04:57 |
| mhz | Maybe next time, meeting will be here in Chile | 04:57 |
| magnon | ick | 04:57 |
| ajmitch_ | aha, so that's the Christoffer :) | 04:58 |
| mhz | Chile is cheap for you | 04:58 |
| magnon | mhz: on one hand, traveling halfway around the world is fun, but expensive flights | 04:58 |
| mhz | hmmm, yes and nop. | 04:59 |
| magnon | ajmitch_, yes :) | 04:59 |
| ajmitch_ | magnon: you get into UBZ on the 30th? | 04:59 |
| magnon | I'll come from Ottawa, hungover, on Sunday morning | 04:59 |
| ajmitch_ | heh | 04:59 |
| ajmitch_ | so I'll have the room to myself to recover from jetlag on the saturday :) | 04:59 |
| mhz | I have talked to many friends and Chile is cheaper than going to Australia or almost same as US from Europe | 04:59 |
| magnon | oh, my roomie :D | 05:00 |
| ajmitch_ | yep | 05:00 |
| mhz | we should have a campaign: Those who couldn't afford to get there but have done some good job for edubuntu community should get at least the pleasure of a T-Shirt sent home :D | 05:01 |
| magnon | you might get the room on monday night too, if I take off for Halloween :P | 05:01 |
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| odie5533 | Is there an accelerated reader-like program for edubuntu? | 05:26 |
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| mhz | odie5533: i did not get your question? | 06:07 |
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| odie5533 | Does broaderbund and the learning company software run on Edubuntu? | 07:11 |
| odie5533 | Like The Zoombinis and Mountain Rescue? maybe? | 07:14 |
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| odie5533 | Anyone here even? | 07:59 |
| juliux | odie5533, can bee or not | 08:01 |
| odie5533 | juliux, do you run edubuntu? | 08:03 |
| juliux | odie5533, yes i do | 08:03 |
| odie5533 | Are you a teacher? | 08:04 |
| juliux | odie5533, no i am a student | 08:04 |
| odie5533 | What grade are you in if you don't mind me asking? | 08:04 |
| juliux | odie5533, i run edubuntu on my home computer | 08:04 |
| odie5533 | What for? | 08:05 |
| odie5533 | TuxPaint? | 08:05 |
| juliux | i manage the german fair acitivity for ubuntu | 08:05 |
| juliux | and at the fairs we have a edubuntu server and thinclients | 08:05 |
| odie5533 | Ah | 08:05 |
| juliux | and we show the visitors edubuntu and ubuntu | 08:05 |
| odie5533 | What do the thin clients run? | 08:05 |
| odie5533 | what specs I mean to say | 08:06 |
| juliux | just notebooks wicht boots via pxe | 08:06 |
| juliux | s/wicht/which | 08:06 |
| odie5533 | Ah and why do you do this? | 08:06 |
| odie5533 | you yourself | 08:06 |
| juliux | because ubuntu and edubuntu are coll | 08:07 |
| juliux | s/coll/cool | 08:07 |
| odie5533 | what is that s/coll/cool thing? and the s/wicht/which? | 08:07 |
| juliux | that is sed syntax | 08:07 |
| odie5533 | What is sed? | 08:07 |
| juliux | man sed ;-) | 08:08 |
| juliux | moment i have to find the english words | 08:08 |
| odie5533 | Is it specific to bash? | 08:08 |
| juliux | hm no | 08:08 |
| juliux | with sed you can replace words | 08:08 |
| odie5533 | could it be used in say a C progra,? | 08:09 |
| juliux | so coll is the search pattern and it has to replace buy cool | 08:09 |
| juliux | s/buy/by | 08:09 |
| odie5533 | ah I see | 08:09 |
| juliux | it is a unix tool | 08:09 |
| odie5533 | yes | 08:10 |
| odie5533 | hmm so ubuntu is cool and you show it off at a fair in germany? | 08:10 |
| juliux | but not a bash tool you can it also use with other shells | 08:10 |
| juliux | yes | 08:10 |
| juliux | if will do this | 08:10 |
| juliux | wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Messen/2006 there you can see where we will do that | 08:10 |
| juliux | sorry is only in german | 08:11 |
| odie5533 | aww I can't come :( | 08:11 |
| odie5533 | Hmm so has anyone taken any information from the fair and like... used Edubuntu in a school in Germany there? | 08:12 |
| odie5533 | Do you hand anything out there? | 08:12 |
| juliux | i hope we will have a flyer about ubuntu and edbuntu | 08:13 |
| odie5533 | Do any school districts there use edubuntu? | 08:14 |
| juliux | i don't know | 08:14 |
| juliux | because in germany every school can use what they want | 08:14 |
| juliux | but i hope we can do a part that they will use edubuntu | 08:15 |
| odie5533 | Why edubuntu? Why not show off... windows xp? | 08:15 |
| odie5533 | jk ;) | 08:16 |
| odie5533 | Do you take pictures at the event? | 08:16 |
| juliux | because edubuntu is free, edubuntu is very easy to install, there is only one computer what need to maintain | 08:16 |
| juliux | yes i think we will take pictures | 08:17 |
| odie5533 | When is it? | 08:17 |
| juliux | the event? | 08:17 |
| odie5533 | yes | 08:17 |
| juliux | the first one is at the 3 and 4 december this year in essen | 08:18 |
| juliux | this is a normal linux day | 08:18 |
| juliux | where we have both | 08:18 |
| odie5533 | oh wow not too soon then | 08:18 |
| odie5533 | do you speak german? | 08:18 |
| juliux | yes of course | 08:18 |
| odie5533 | o | 08:19 |
| juliux | i live in germany | 08:19 |
| juliux | s/live/life | 08:19 |
| odie5533 | Hmm and you use Edubuntu on your home pc? | 08:19 |
| odie5533 | nope, its live in germany, not life ;) | 08:19 |
| odie5533 | had it right the first time | 08:19 |
| juliux | shit | 08:19 |
| odie5533 | life is a noun | 08:19 |
| juliux | yes i have a desktop pc and a notebook an on the desktop pc is edubutu | 08:20 |
| juliux | this is the server for the fairs | 08:20 |
| odie5533 | Why not plain Ubuntu? | 08:20 |
| juliux | because i want to have a terminal server :-) | 08:20 |
| odie5533 | Hmm what for | 08:20 |
| juliux | for the fairs | 08:21 |
| odie5533 | But the fair isnt till december | 08:21 |
| juliux | so that every visitor can try out ubuntu and edubuntu | 08:21 |
| odie5533 | how many thin clients are there? | 08:22 |
| juliux | yes but i want to play with the system | 08:22 |
| juliux | i think 5-7 | 08:22 |
| odie5533 | Do you know your way around edubuntu then? | 08:22 |
| juliux | sorry what does you mean | 08:22 |
| juliux | ? | 08:22 |
| odie5533 | lol? | 08:23 |
| juliux | i want to understand my system | 08:23 |
| odie5533 | Do you understand your system though | 08:23 |
| juliux | sorry my english isn't very good and its very early in the morning | 08:23 |
| juliux | i hope so | 08:23 |
| odie5533 | how good are you in TuxPaint? | 08:24 |
| juliux | never used | 08:24 |
| odie5533 | im probably better at it than you | 08:24 |
| juliux | yes | 08:24 |
| odie5533 | Wanna have a TuxPaint Battle? | 08:24 |
| juliux | no thanks | 08:24 |
| odie5533 | o | 08:24 |
| juliux | i have to go to university in a few minutes | 08:25 |
| odie5533 | lets have the battle when you get back ok? | 08:25 |
| juliux | ok | 08:25 |
| odie5533 | bring it on | 08:25 |
| juliux | i will do | 08:26 |
| juliux | at first i have to install it on my computer | 08:27 |
| juliux | odie5533, what is a tuxpoint battle? | 08:29 |
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| DarthTode | bonjour everybody ! | 09:28 |
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| juliux | re | 03:27 |
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| Yagisan | ogra: ping | 06:35 |
| ogra | Yagisan, pong | 06:35 |
| Yagisan | ogra: Have you seen mhz around ?, I've got a question re and edit he made | 06:36 |
| Yagisan | *re a | 06:36 |
| ogra | yesterday, very shortly... i wasnt online most of th time due to travelling | 06:36 |
| highvoltage | Yagisan: pong | 06:37 |
| highvoltage | ogra: good to see you here again | 06:37 |
| ogra | hey highvoltage :) | 06:37 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: how have you been ? | 06:37 |
| highvoltage | Yagisan: strange | 06:38 |
| highvoltage | :) | 06:38 |
| highvoltage | Yagisan: last night i went to bed early, and overslept this morning, and then i felt sleepy all day. | 06:38 |
| Yagisan | ogra: I added some stuff to the wiki by myself and jeffubuntu and noticed to authorship notice was removed | 06:39 |
| ogra | hmm | 06:39 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: Just got home from celebrating my birthday | 06:39 |
| ogra | Yagisan, HEY ! HAPPY BIRTHDAY ! | 06:39 |
| Yagisan | ogra: It's not even in the source, I understand he wants "community" docs, but I want to clarify with him why | 06:40 |
| Yagisan | ogra: thanks :) turned 24 on the 27th | 06:40 |
| highvoltage | Yagisan: yes, happy birthday!! | 06:41 |
| ogra | :) | 06:41 |
| Yagisan | although, over here it finished 2hrs, 40mins ago "offically" I'm still celebrating :) | 06:42 |
| Yagisan | my little girl had a late night, and a 5 star dinner | 06:42 |
| === Yagisan wonders, why as I get older, does it seem I buy my own birthday presents ?? | ||
| Yagisan | ogra: you arrived for the conference ? | 06:44 |
| ogra | yup | 06:44 |
| ogra | just starting to write my talk | 06:44 |
| Yagisan | ogra: giving a demo ? | 06:44 |
| ogra | hopefully... dunno how my laptop behaves on a projector | 06:44 |
| ogra | (widescreen) | 06:45 |
| Yagisan | ogra: multiarch :) you'll probally need some etherboot cds too | 06:46 |
| ogra | nah, enough PXE alppies around i guess | 06:46 |
| ogra | *lappies | 06:46 |
| ogra | got a switch and 5 wires with me :) | 06:47 |
| ogra | multiarch tsp is already installed ... | 06:47 |
| ogra | *ltsp | 06:47 |
| Yagisan | ogra: that uploaded to dapper yet ? | 06:47 |
| ogra | nope | 06:48 |
| ogra | during or after the conf | 06:48 |
| Yagisan | ogra: ok - haven't built my dapper chroots yet. | 06:48 |
| Yagisan | ogra: do you use distcc ? | 06:48 |
| ogra | nope... | 06:48 |
| Yagisan | ogra: I think it is broken, I need some independent confirmation though | 06:49 |
| Yagisan | ogra: I set up a nice pbuilder + ccache + distcc setup | 06:49 |
| ogra | i saw you talking about on -motu | 06:50 |
| Yagisan | ogra: but with distcc - all compiles fail | 06:50 |
| Yagisan | ogra: yep - and no confirmation yet | 06:50 |
| Yagisan | ogra: it really bugs me, I want to know if I fucked it up, and no one uses it | 06:51 |
| ogra | Yagisan, see if you can get hands on fabbione, i know he uses it extensively | 06:52 |
| Yagisan | ogra: oh ? /me notes that down. | 06:53 |
| Yagisan | ogra: Did I tell you about / you see, the complaints I got in the forums because my private repo was down ? | 06:54 |
| ogra | nope ? what do you provide there ? | 06:56 |
| Yagisan | ogra: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/doomsday.html | 06:56 |
| Yagisan | ogra: most of it is pending at revu, I need to dfsg the source, and upstream did a new release that I need to test | 06:57 |
| Yagisan | ogra: It sure is nice to be popular :) | 06:58 |
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| ogra | haha | 06:59 |
| ogra | :) | 06:59 |
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| Yagisan | ogra: THAT is the app that I really want to run on the ltsp network | 06:59 |
| ogra | doit :) | 07:00 |
| Yagisan | ogra: so I can work on it from any of my systems - instead of the server | 07:00 |
| Yagisan | ogra: but then it runs like a slideshow ! | 07:00 |
| Yagisan | ogra: like the screenies ? it's hard to believe that is just Doom 2 with basically models and high-res textures | 07:02 |
| \sh | hey ogra...how is the weather in montreal? :) | 07:03 |
| ogra | cloudy but dry | 07:03 |
| ogra | around 6C | 07:03 |
| \sh | sounds fine :) better then here...sunny but windy | 07:03 |
| ogra | but windy as hell... makes it feel very odd | 07:04 |
| ogra | susus told me we had nearly 30C at home yesterday :) | 07:04 |
| \sh | ogra: u r lucky...that u didn't feel guenthers thunderstorm yesterday | 07:04 |
| \sh | ogra: yepp | 07:04 |
| ogra | (i'm sure she exaggerates) | 07:04 |
| \sh | well...something like 25 was it..when I came home | 07:05 |
| ogra | woah | 07:05 |
| \sh | strange weather for germany in autum | 07:05 |
| === ogra cant belive that .... goes to www.eifelwetter.de to check | ||
| Yagisan | sounds like the weather down here | 07:05 |
| ogra | wow, actually 18 | 07:06 |
| \sh | ogra: in eifel? well..here was 25 (believing the sparkasse ,-)) | 07:06 |
| ogra | thats *very* unusual for this time of year | 07:06 |
| \sh | *veryvery* | 07:07 |
| \sh | but in ISH land we hat thunderstorm guenther | 07:07 |
| ogra | \sh, can you bring a big connector strip (steckerleiste) please ? i forgot mine ... | 07:07 |
| \sh | ogra: noted :) | 07:08 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 07:08 |
| \sh | ogra: how bug? | 07:08 |
| \sh | aeh big? | 07:08 |
| ogra | a 5er ? | 07:08 |
| ogra | at least 3 ... | 07:08 |
| \sh | make 6 and we're ok :) | 07:08 |
| \sh | well...I will buy a new one...mine are somewhat occupied | 07:09 |
| \sh | or two | 07:09 |
| ogra | i'll pay it :) | 07:09 |
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| \sh | ogra: no...i need new ones as well ;) | 07:10 |
| \sh | ogra: hope my salary is on my account tomorrow ;) | 07:10 |
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| Yagisan | highvoltage: are you 196.7.130.247 ? | 07:20 |
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| highvoltage | Yagisan: no | 07:22 |
| highvoltage | although, that ip address looks very familiar. | 07:22 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: I ask, as it is a south african address - and I know you are in that area | 07:23 |
| highvoltage | my sites are all hosted overseas, since it's expensive to host locally :) | 07:24 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: looks like a have a visitor to my hoary repo from around there | 07:24 |
| highvoltage | ah, it was me :) | 07:25 |
| highvoltage | it's my isp's address. | 07:25 |
| highvoltage | i'm natted very deep, that's an upstream ip. | 07:25 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: heh - I called it. Breezy repo will be open next week, so I suggest browse now, and check the website every few days | 07:26 |
| highvoltage | ok | 07:26 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: breezy will get beta3, + cleaned up resource packs | 07:27 |
| highvoltage | i'd like to have some games for ubuntu. since i deleted windows i've missed my old games. | 07:27 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: i386 only I'm afraid (I have no ppc, and it still isn't 64bit clean) | 07:27 |
| highvoltage | i don't have 64bit or ppc either, only i386. | 07:28 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: I think most users do, that's why I packaged it - it was later determined that it can't go to multiverse | 07:28 |
| highvoltage | how so? | 07:29 |
| highvoltage | is it non-free software? | 07:29 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: without some removals, because there is some dumb arse activision eula tagged on to a generally free license | 07:29 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: there is a license file - it says you may not distribute this file, later in the doc, it says you may distribute this file | 07:30 |
| highvoltage | that sux. | 07:30 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: the motus felt that was unsuitable for multiverse, so I have a 3rd party repo, harrass upstream, and am working on a dfsg version | 07:31 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: which is all legal on my local law, but would not be in say germany | 07:32 |
| highvoltage | i think it's good that you're harrassing upstream | 07:41 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: I think the 2.0 rewrite will be ok, but I will have to rip out heretic & hexen support for the 1.9.x releases | 07:45 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: It's one of the few games I like (as you can tell on the website) | 07:45 |
| Yagisan | night all | 07:47 |
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| \sh | re | 07:53 |
| ogra | hey cloaker :) | 07:56 |
| juliux | ogra, are there pressed edubuntu cds? | 07:57 |
| \sh | ogra: yeah..after some difficulties | 07:57 |
| \sh | with my \ ;) | 07:57 |
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| ogra | juliux, nope | 07:58 |
| juliux | ogra, ok thanks | 07:58 |
| ogra | and i doubt we'll make any... mark will only pay for one release... dapper might be the one | 07:58 |
| \sh | ogra: please talk to amu... | 07:59 |
| juliux | ogra, ok thanks | 07:59 |
| \sh | ogra: i want to see some cds on the shop for 1 eur | 07:59 |
| ogra | \sh, will do :) | 07:59 |
| \sh | ogra: and please tell him, that edubuntu is not a "nieschenprodukt" | 08:00 |
| juliux | \sh, +1 | 08:00 |
| ogra | hehe | 08:00 |
| \sh | ogra: or we have to sit someday and buy a HP laser dvd recorder with printing function.. | 08:00 |
| \sh | ogra: or let it make 5 eur where 4 euros will be donated | 08:01 |
| juliux | ogra, a cd design would be nice, so we can burn them and label them | 08:01 |
| gand | I'm dist-upgrade, do you know a mirror list to configure sources.list? | 08:01 |
| ogra | juliux, there is a CD cover alread | 08:01 |
| ogra | y | 08:01 |
| juliux | ogra, in the wiki? | 08:01 |
| ogra | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip | 08:02 |
| ogra | but we didnt work out the text yet | 08:02 |
| gand | when my byttery finished my ibook went to sleep... and never wake up :( | 08:04 |
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| gand | byttery/battery | 08:04 |
| jelkner | ogra: oliver, you here? | 08:04 |
| \sh | gand: this is more #ubuntu or #ubuntu-laptop :) | 08:04 |
| ogra | jelkner, nope... :) i'm in montreal | 08:04 |
| jelkner | lol cool! | 08:04 |
| jelkner | i'll be joining you next week | 08:05 |
| highvoltage | there's an ubuntu-laptop? | 08:05 |
| ogra | yup :) | 08:05 |
| jelkner | that's what i wanted to talk about | 08:05 |
| \sh | highvoltage: yeah | 08:05 |
| jelkner | is there anything i need to put on the website before then? | 08:05 |
| ogra | do you feel anything is missing ? then add it | 08:06 |
| gand | thank, I need only upgrade mirror list, not speaking about laptop, sorry | 08:06 |
| jelkner | well, there is a lot missing, we will be doing the spec for dapper next week | 08:06 |
| jelkner | i think we can do it in 3 days | 08:06 |
| \sh | jelkner: convince JaneW that she is baking another 10 edubuntu cakes before ubuntu love day ;) | 08:06 |
| ogra | jelkner, was this spec added to the speclist last week ? | 08:07 |
| jelkner | JaneW: we *really* need the cakes! | 08:07 |
| jelkner | i don't know? | 08:07 |
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| ogra | jelkner, if you didnt add it it might not be there and thus might not be scheduled | 08:08 |
| \sh | JaneW: *withgreyblueeyeslookingatyou* please bake some cakes...I heard, that the kitchen in a holliday inn is quite good ,-) | 08:08 |
| gand | A n adununtu question, a collegue ask me if edubuntu is for 6/10 or 10/14 or over 14 years old students? | 08:08 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: that "*withgreyblueeyeslookingatyou*", does that ever work? | 08:08 |
| highvoltage | sorry, meant to ask \sh :) | 08:09 |
| jelkner | but JaneW asked me to do it | 08:09 |
| ogra | jelkner, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs | 08:09 |
| \sh | highvoltage: sometimes... | 08:09 |
| jelkner | i also see: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/DapperGoals | 08:09 |
| \sh | highvoltage: my greyblueeyes are underlined by my blue glasses ,-) | 08:09 |
| ogra | jelkner, thats not relevant for the conf schedule | 08:10 |
| jelkner | ok | 08:11 |
| ogra | it will be totally built aournd the speclist | 08:11 |
| jelkner | i see your posting: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-use-management | 08:11 |
| jelkner | so i'm not really clear on what to do | 08:11 |
| jelkner | a down under we created a single spec for edubuntu | 08:12 |
| jelkner | do we want to do that again? | 08:12 |
| ogra | that one is merged with the ubuntu spec | 08:12 |
| ogra | (the launchpad spec) | 08:12 |
| jelkner | or is it far enough along now that we need seperate specs for different things? | 08:12 |
| jelkner | how will we proceed with things like: | 08:13 |
| jelkner | 1. local devices | 08:13 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/network-authentication | 08:13 |
| ogra | thats adreesed already | 08:13 |
| jelkner | sound too? | 08:13 |
| jelkner | where? | 08:13 |
| ogra | i'm struggling a bit with sound stuff, since i refuse to use esd or nas | 08:13 |
| ogra | its on the list | 08:13 |
| ogra | i'm the drafter, but sabdfl and mdz want the ltsp guys to lead the BOFs | 08:14 |
| jelkner | so what should i be doing? | 08:15 |
| jelkner | i see content filtering is there too, very important! | 08:16 |
| ogra | dropped... mdz doesnt want me to work on it ... i'll have to talk to him about it | 08:16 |
| jelkner | ouch! | 08:17 |
| JaneW | hi guys | 08:17 |
| jelkner | i'll talk to him too | 08:17 |
| \sh | hey JaneW | 08:17 |
| jelkner | edubuntu won't fly without it | 08:17 |
| ogra | he thinks setting up squid for transparent proxying by default is to dangerous/intrusive on the package | 08:17 |
| JaneW | can't chat now, but if you want stuff scheduled get the spec registered on Launchpad asap | 08:17 |
| JaneW | they are going through the list right now and rejecting or approving them for discussion at UBZ | 08:17 |
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| ogra | jelkner, what we will provide wont be better than a cheapo dsl route with content filter... | 08:17 |
| ogra | *router | 08:17 |
| jelkner | do cheapo routers do that now? | 08:18 |
| ogra | both that i have at home provite a blacklist based filter ... | 08:18 |
| ogra | most do that | 08:19 |
| \sh | we need some good stuff for ubuntu-server which makes it easy to set up a firewall..(firewall == concept of securing a network) | 08:19 |
| ogra | but its still hard to administer | 08:19 |
| jelkner | run dan's guardian or something similar? | 08:19 |
| ogra | just a blacklist | 08:19 |
| jelkner | it is state law in most us schools that you *have* to filter | 08:19 |
| \sh | packetfilter, url filter, application filter | 08:19 |
| ogra | with pattern matching... | 08:19 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll be setting that up for the mt rainier library | 08:20 |
| ogra | mdz doesnt want me to cripple the available squid package, so lets see what w can work out ... i think making trasparent proxy a debconf option on package install shouldnt be to hard | 08:20 |
| ogra | but as long as he disagrees, i wont gain any ground there | 08:21 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll wait until next week to talk to you more about that | 08:21 |
| \sh | ogra: squid improved in filtering urls? or filtering active-x crap or java applet crap? | 08:21 |
| jelkner | without filtering, the system isn't usable in most places we want to use it | 08:21 |
| ogra | \sh, squid+squidguard+a simple balcklist package you can regulary update | 08:22 |
| jelkner | so even if it is a technical marvel, it won't get anywhere | 08:22 |
| ogra | only a url filter with regex pattern matching | 08:22 |
| jelkner | anyway, what do you want me to do? | 08:22 |
| ogra | probably + a gui for editing the blacklists | 08:22 |
| jelkner | i have my own itches to scratch (edubuntu for CS education), but beyond that, i'm at your disposal | 08:23 |
| ogra | jelkner, give us the necessary input from the field :) | 08:23 |
| jelkner | certainly | 08:23 |
| ogra | we rely on your experience ... | 08:26 |
| ogra | add the specs to the list you find missing asap... | 08:26 |
| ogra | so JaneW can fight for tem :) | 08:27 |
| ogra | *them | 08:27 |
| jelkner | where do i look for the current list? (pardon slow response times, i'm in class ;-) | 08:33 |
| jelkner | i can think of two things that are probably not there: | 08:34 |
| jelkner | 1. python teaching tools | 08:34 |
| jelkner | 2. java teaching tools | 08:34 |
| jelkner | 1 is particularly important | 08:34 |
| jelkner | the current debian wxpython has some serious bugs | 08:35 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec | 08:35 |
| ogra | 2.4 should be fine ... | 08:35 |
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| crimsun | wxpython 2.4 or 2.6? | 08:36 |
| jelkner | 2.6 | 08:36 |
| ogra | note that we didnt want to talk aboput app selection for edubuntu at UBZ, we'll (hopefully) have a edubuntu summit again dedicated to app selection | 08:36 |
| jelkner | there are 186 specs | 08:36 |
| jelkner | in no particular order | 08:36 |
| ogra | app selection ate too much time at the last summit.... | 08:37 |
| crimsun | jelkner: reproducible in Breezy's/Dapper's wxpython 2.6? | 08:37 |
| jelkner | crimsun: yes, it is a mouse bug | 08:38 |
| jelkner | pretty anoying | 08:38 |
| jelkner | annoying | 08:38 |
| jelkner | the mouse cursor locks up | 08:38 |
| crimsun | BTS #? | 08:38 |
| jelkner | BTS? | 08:38 |
| ogra | jelkner, bugzilla number | 08:39 |
| crimsun | if gcc-4.0 has finished building, we can probably upload a fix | 08:39 |
| jelkner | oh, well the problem is that i wasn't sure where the bug was located | 08:39 |
| jelkner | i first saw it in gvr | 08:39 |
| jelkner | and we reported a gvr bug | 08:39 |
| jelkner | then i saw it in spe and drpython | 08:39 |
| ogra | jelkner, youre not supposed to fix it, just report it ;) | 08:39 |
| jelkner | i understand, i did report it | 08:40 |
| jelkner | but on the wrong package | 08:40 |
| jelkner | i'm about to start teaching python | 08:41 |
| jelkner | i don't know what development environment to use | 08:42 |
| jelkner | aside from being a personal issue for me, i think it is actually an important long term issue for ubuntu/edubuntu | 08:42 |
| jelkner | if we want to really grow the community in the long run | 08:42 |
| jelkner | we need to provide young folks with the tools to begin learning software development | 08:43 |
| jelkner | python is almost there... | 08:43 |
| crimsun | do you have a bugzilla/malone #? | 08:43 |
| \sh | jelkner: if you are brave...use eric as python ide...it's the best I know..but I'm the one who is somehow responsible for the pyQT/pyKDE stuff behind it ;) | 08:43 |
| \sh | jelkner: but it's qt/kde stuff :( | 08:44 |
| jelkner | \sh: i tend to favor either spe or drpython | 08:44 |
| jelkner | because i'm a gnome user, and what i'm really looking for is good pythoncard and pygame integration | 08:44 |
| jelkner | spe looks the most promissing | 08:44 |
| \sh | jelkner: spe? this is the pywxgtk stuff which doko brought in during breezy... | 08:44 |
| \sh | Von: Matthias Klose <doko@ubuntu.com> | 08:45 |
| \sh | Antwort an: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com | 08:45 |
| \sh | An: breezy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com | 08:45 |
| \sh | Betreff: Accepted spe 0.7.5c-1 (source) | 08:45 |
| \sh | yeah it is | 08:45 |
| ogra | yup | 08:45 |
| \sh | it crashed after 5 mins of testing for me :( | 08:46 |
| ogra | but edubuntu has all the kde libs installed anyway... shouldnt make probs to use eric | 08:46 |
| \sh | ogra: pyqt/pykde stuff is in main anyways | 08:46 |
| \sh | ogra: and I was upset about it ;) | 08:46 |
| ogra | in opposite to wxpython | 08:47 |
| jelkner | i'll actually be happy to use whatever you guys tell me to use | 08:47 |
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| jelkner | my main hope is to use what will eventually become the "edubuntu default" | 08:48 |
| \sh | jelkner: check eric...really...it's a real mature IDE for python and it has a good help system..you can include everything u want | 08:48 |
| ogra | jelkner, i'd be happy to include *one* IDE based on your expertise | 08:48 |
| jelkner | ok, i need to run now.. | 08:48 |
| jelkner | we will down load eric and check it out | 08:49 |
| \sh | jelkner: when are u coming to ubz? | 08:49 |
| ogra | \sh, yes he is | 08:49 |
| ogra | next week afaik | 08:49 |
| \sh | ogra: so from monday? | 08:49 |
| jelkner | \sh tuesday evening | 08:50 |
| jelkner | i get in at 6:10 pm | 08:50 |
| jelkner | on tuesday | 08:50 |
| jelkner | and i'm there until sunday | 08:50 |
| \sh | jelkner: wonderful :) so we have a lot to discuss | 08:50 |
| jelkner | \sh what is your name? | 08:50 |
| \sh | jelkner: StephanHermann | 08:50 |
| \sh | jelkner: ogra will introduce ;) | 08:51 |
| ogra | sure :) | 08:51 |
| jelkner | excellent, Stephan, I'm looking forward to meeting you | 08:51 |
| ogra | \sh, jelkner is the guy who will be together with the huge massive and loud guy with the cowboy hat :) | 08:51 |
| ogra | (assuming flint comes) | 08:52 |
| jelkner | he will be there first | 08:52 |
| ogra | ah, k | 08:52 |
| \sh | ogra: I wonder if I should wear my red hat fedora to be recognized ;) | 08:52 |
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| jelkner | hopefully you can rope him in before i get there | 08:52 |
| jelkner | good luck! | 08:52 |
| ogra | lol | 08:52 |
| \sh | jelkner: see u in montreal :) | 08:52 |
| ogra | jelkner, its not a rodeo :) | 08:53 |
| ogra | only a conferece :) | 08:53 |
| ogra | going smoking | 08:54 |
| \sh | ogra: the human being is allowed to smoke in public in montreal? | 08:55 |
| ogra | \sh, sure | 09:05 |
| ogra | my taxi driver gave me a cigarette while he drove me here from the airport :) | 09:05 |
| crimsun | how was the flight, ogra? | 09:06 |
| ogra | terrible ... tubulences all over ... | 09:06 |
| ogra | i guess we flew over the remainings of katie ... | 09:07 |
| ajmitch_ | lol | 09:07 |
| ajmitch_ | ogra: but we haven't moved to launchpad yet ;) | 09:07 |
| crimsun | ogra: ouch, sorry to hear | 09:08 |
| ogra | i survived :) | 09:08 |
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| gand | thank bye | 09:11 |
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| pitux | hello | 10:29 |
| \sh | oh mann | 10:35 |
| \sh | sry | 10:36 |
| \sh | ogra: u plan to attend the essen linux tag? | 10:36 |
| ogra | \sh, i think so | 10:36 |
| \sh | ogra: cool...joining u...I promised it | 10:37 |
| \sh | "Take A Photo With A MOTU" | 10:37 |
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| Lord_Athur | hi | 10:50 |
| Lord_Athur | I'm a kubuntu user and I want to install edubuntu with apt-get, what must I do? | 10:50 |
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| Lord_Athur | or what repositories do I have to have for install it? | 10:52 |
| Lord_Athur | can someone help me!!!???!!! | 10:55 |
| pitux | aptitude install edubuntu-desktop | 10:55 |
| pitux | search in your synpatic with the string "edubuntu" | 10:56 |
| Lord_Athur | good idea | 10:58 |
| Lord_Athur | :P | 10:58 |
| pitux | ;D | 10:58 |
| Lord_Athur | does edubuntu have a live CD for use in classrooms for example? | 10:59 |
| weasl77 | only an install disk as far as I know | 11:00 |
| Lord_Athur | ok | 11:00 |
| Lord_Athur | :S | 11:00 |
| weasl77 | (it would be an ideal answer):-, | 11:00 |
| Lord_Athur | pitux, synpatic did not find no thing | 11:02 |
| pitux | ummmmmm | 11:02 |
| pitux | Use the breezy version? | 11:03 |
| pitux | sorry my english no is good | 11:03 |
| Lord_Athur | pitux, what's your native language? | 11:04 |
| pitux | spanish | 11:07 |
| Lord_Athur | en ese caso tampoco tenemos problemas | 11:08 |
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| Lord_Athur | no uso breezy | 11:09 |
| bluefrog-10 | did you apt-get update? | 11:10 |
| Lord_Athur | yes I did this before try installing edubuntu-desktop | 11:10 |
| pitux | edubuntu is only in breezy | 11:11 |
| Lord_Athur | why? | 11:11 |
| pitux | edubuntu is not in hoary | 11:11 |
| Lord_Athur | ... | 11:11 |
| Lord_Athur | 11:11 | |
| Lord_Athur | that problem! | 11:11 |
| pitux | Lord_Athur, answer my messages privates please | 11:12 |
| Lord_Athur | can I change my sistem from hoary to freezy? | 11:12 |
| pitux | yeah | 11:12 |
| pitux | is very easy | 11:12 |
| pitux | change in the sources.list the string hoary for breezy | 11:12 |
| pitux | next sudo aptitude update | 11:13 |
| Lord_Athur | leasve me see.... | 11:13 |
| pitux | sudo aptitude dist-upgarde | 11:13 |
| pitux | more information in the channel #ubuntu-es | 11:13 |
| pitux | for users in spanish | 11:14 |
| Lord_Athur | bye | 11:15 |
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