[12:06] <mhz> ogra: nice to see ya aroubd
[12:06] <mhz> aroubd
[12:07] <mhz> ogra: is everything going cool?
[12:07] <ogra> yup
[12:07] <ogra> i'm terribly tired 
[12:08] <mhz> sorry
[12:08] <ogra> but else everything is fine
[12:08] <mhz> but maybe i can cheer you up by giving you and Jane good news
[12:08] <ogra> mhz, about the comment from your friend.... why should X behave different if i wrap the X packages in ssh poackages ? 
[12:09] <ogra> i dont understand his concern :)
[12:09] <mhz> nop, we already talked about it with highvoltage 
[12:09] <mhz> and highvoltage did a great job explainig
[12:10] <rexykik> hey bluefrog, you around?
[12:10] <ogra> ah, k
[12:11] <bluefrog-10> yep
[12:15] <bluefrog-10> ogra here's the stuff about samba-ldap. http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/3675
[12:17] <bluefrog-10> fiddled a few hours today to setup a quick server ( mail, dns and so on ) but then discovered that it takes less time to set it up from a normal breezy. the server mode is missing so many things it's a nightmare (especially for CPAN)
[12:18] <bluefrog-10> rexykik, wazzup?
[12:19] <ogra> bluefrog-10, thanks stored...
[12:19] <ogra> sorry, have to save battery ...
[12:19] <bluefrog-10> :)
[12:20] <ogra> bye
[12:28] <xDudex> Hello
[12:28] <bluefrog-10> hi
[12:29] <xDudex> quick question, or maybe it's quick
[12:29] <xDudex> is it easier to set up ltsp with edubuntu versus the standard ubuntu
[12:29] <xDudex> err ?
[12:30] <bluefrog-10> edubuntu
[12:31] <xDudex> ok, thank you
[12:31] <xDudex> I am downloading it right now
[12:32] <xDudex> I had been trying for quite some time to get it working with Ubuntu but it only got as far as the login screen....  quite frustrating
[12:33] <bluefrog-10> once u have installed edubuntu follow the guide on ubuntuwiki. ther's a glitch with ssh as well that can solved with the following...
[12:34] <bluefrog-10> sudo rm /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
[12:34] <bluefrog-10> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[12:34] <bluefrog-10> to do on the server
[12:35] <bluefrog-10> or if u want to install ltsp on normal breezy follow this http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/3673
[12:36] <rexykik> bluefrog: any special guide i should follow for edubuntu (installing now), or can i just follow the one you gave me?
[12:36] <xDudex> excellent
[12:36] <bluefrog-10> if u install edubuntu follow the edubuntu guide on ubuntuwiki
[12:37] <rexykik> xDudex, you have the problem where after logging into the terminal on xdm is just restarts X?
[12:37] <rexykik> it*
[12:37] <bluefrog-10> and if u have pb on login screen don't forget the ssh trick
[12:37] <xDudex> rexykik, yes
[12:37] <rexykik> me too
[12:37] <rexykik> i've been battling that today
[12:38] <rexykik> installing it now
[12:38] <rexykik> (edubuntu)
[12:38] <xDudex> I have burned and rebuilt it a few times trying to figure out the problem
[12:38] <bluefrog-10> I had the same pb when i installed the standalone
[12:38] <xDudex> but that has all been with Ubuntu, not Edubuntu
[12:38] <rexykik> yeah.
[12:38] <rexykik> installing as we speak...hopefully it'll work and I can go home.
[12:38] <rexykik> i'm assuming i'll have to install gdm.
[12:39] <xDudex> ltsp always lists that it's missing xdmcp
[12:39] <bluefrog-10> it's not a pb
[12:39] <bluefrog-10> edubuntu anyway doesn't use gdm nor xdm
[12:40] <xDudex> it's just the ssh problem, bluefrog?
[12:40] <bluefrog-10> on edubuntu if u have this pb yes. on normal breezy I don't know. the only thing i know is i had no more pb when i got rid of ltsp stanalone on nrmal breezy
[12:41] <xDudex> hence, the installation of ltsp-server instead of ltsp-server-standalone in those instructions you linked me to?
[12:41] <rexykik> is standalone installed by default on ed?
[12:42] <bluefrog-10> xDudex, yes
[12:42] <xDudex> ahh, ok, makes sense...  I'm starting a fresh install and going to try out those instructions right now
[12:42] <bluefrog-10> rexykik, can't remember, all i know is that it is configured well, u just have to tweak the dhcpd;conf
[12:44] <bluefrog-10> for edubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPServerSetup?highlight=%28ltsp%29
[12:47] <bluefrog-10> time for me to hit the sac. last thing that saves me lots of time and in case u don't know it.
[12:48] <bluefrog-10> when u make a clean install, make an image using partimage in systemrescuecd (for example) before u start fiddling with your system. takes 2 to 3 minutes to reinstall the image if u need a fresh system again..
[12:58] <xDudex> ok
[03:42] <odie5533> My mom teaches a 4th grade class with 3 pcs. I was wondering which would be better to use: Edubuntu or Wind95 with educational windows games from the learning company and broarderbund
[04:00] <Topslakr> I'm trying to get the dhcp server running on my server but it says i need a subnet declaration for eth0...
[04:01] <Topslakr> i don't know what it's talking about. I have one set i think..
[04:18] <mhz> hi, good chilean evening you all
[04:18] <mhz> anyone knows how to add spanish locale to edubuntu applications?
[04:18] <mhz> :(
[04:38] <mhz> magnon: why embarrosed
[04:38] <mhz> ?
[04:39] <magnon> because I should know
[04:39] <mhz> BTW, i know how!
[04:39] <mhz> d'u wana know?
[04:39] <mhz> Christofer, why should you?
[04:41] <mhz> magnon: ?
[04:43] <magnon> because, I use english all the time, but customers have Norwegian
[04:44] <magnon> well, apt-get install language-support-es
[04:44] <magnon> if it's that simple
[04:45] <mhz> magnon: GNOME: System -> Administration -> Language Selector
[04:45] <magnon> that works for one user only, wouldn't it
[04:46] <magnon> I've got no idea, I never change from default :-P
[04:46] <mhz> will 'automatically' install the packages you need
[04:46] <magnon> ah, right
[04:46] <mhz> magnon: that will work for all users who specify lang at GDM time
[04:47] <magnon> m'kay
[04:53] <mhz> but sure, APT is actually doing it :)
[04:54] <mhz> magnon: are you currently using edubuntu? your customers? students?
[04:54] <magnon> me, no
[04:54] <magnon> some students, yes
[04:54] <mhz> ah, what are their impressions so far?
[04:54] <magnon> good, overall
[04:54] <magnon> but I've been away
[04:54] <magnon> so I can't really tell :-P
[04:54] <mhz> hehehe
[04:55] <mhz> .oO(they all have switched to M$)
[04:55] <magnon> I'm going to UBZ so I should have had a talk first :p
[04:56] <magnon> I couldn't really afford it either
[04:56] <mhz> but?
[04:56] <magnon> but, I'm combining it with some other things
[04:56] <mhz> oh, educool
[04:56] <magnon> visiting a friend in NY
[04:56] <magnon> some others in Ottawa
[04:57] <mhz> my wife didn't let me, period :D
[04:57] <magnon> hehe
[04:57] <magnon> I'm single and all
[04:57] <mhz> hehehe
[04:57] <mhz> ohhhh, that explains it
[04:57] <mhz> Maybe next time, meeting will be here in Chile
[04:57] <magnon> ick
[04:58] <ajmitch_> aha, so that's the Christoffer :)
[04:58] <mhz> Chile is cheap for you
[04:58] <magnon> mhz: on one hand, traveling halfway around the world is fun, but expensive flights
[04:59] <mhz> hmmm, yes and nop.
[04:59] <magnon> ajmitch_, yes :)
[04:59] <ajmitch_> magnon: you get into UBZ on the 30th?
[04:59] <magnon> I'll come from Ottawa, hungover, on Sunday morning
[04:59] <ajmitch_> heh
[04:59] <ajmitch_> so I'll have the room to myself to recover from jetlag on the saturday :)
[04:59] <mhz> I have talked to many friends and Chile is cheaper than going to Australia or almost same as US from Europe
[05:00] <magnon> oh, my roomie :D
[05:00] <ajmitch_> yep
[05:01] <mhz> we should have a campaign: Those who couldn't afford to get there but have done some good job for edubuntu community should get at least the pleasure of a T-Shirt sent home :D
[05:01] <magnon> you might get the room on monday night too, if I take off for Halloween :P
[05:26] <odie5533> Is there an accelerated reader-like program for edubuntu?
[06:07] <mhz> odie5533: i did not get your question?
[07:11] <odie5533> Does broaderbund and the learning company software run on Edubuntu?
[07:14] <odie5533> Like The Zoombinis and Mountain Rescue? maybe?
[07:59] <odie5533> Anyone here even?
[08:01] <juliux> odie5533, can bee or not
[08:03] <odie5533> juliux, do you run edubuntu?
[08:03] <juliux> odie5533, yes i do
[08:04] <odie5533> Are you a teacher?
[08:04] <juliux> odie5533, no i am a student
[08:04] <odie5533> What grade are you in if you don't mind me asking?
[08:04] <juliux> odie5533, i run edubuntu on my home computer 
[08:05] <odie5533> What for?
[08:05] <odie5533> TuxPaint?
[08:05] <juliux> i manage the german fair acitivity for ubuntu
[08:05] <juliux> and at the fairs we have a edubuntu server and thinclients
[08:05] <odie5533> Ah
[08:05] <juliux> and we show the visitors edubuntu and ubuntu
[08:05] <odie5533> What do the thin clients run?
[08:06] <odie5533> what specs I mean to say
[08:06] <juliux> just notebooks wicht boots via pxe
[08:06] <juliux> s/wicht/which
[08:06] <odie5533> Ah and why do you do this?
[08:06] <odie5533> you yourself
[08:07] <juliux> because ubuntu and edubuntu are coll
[08:07] <juliux> s/coll/cool
[08:07] <odie5533> what is that s/coll/cool thing? and the s/wicht/which?
[08:07] <juliux> that is sed syntax
[08:07] <odie5533> What is sed?
[08:08] <juliux> man sed ;-)
[08:08] <juliux> moment i have to find the english words
[08:08] <odie5533> Is it specific to bash?
[08:08] <juliux> hm no
[08:08] <juliux> with sed you can replace words
[08:09] <odie5533> could it be used in say a C progra,?
[08:09] <juliux> so coll is the search pattern and it has to replace buy cool
[08:09] <juliux> s/buy/by
[08:09] <odie5533> ah I see
[08:09] <juliux> it is a unix tool
[08:10] <odie5533> yes
[08:10] <odie5533> hmm so ubuntu is cool and you show it off at a fair in germany?
[08:10] <juliux> but not a bash tool you can it also use with other shells
[08:10] <juliux> yes
[08:10] <juliux> if will do this
[08:10] <juliux> wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Messen/2006 there you can see where we will do that
[08:11] <juliux> sorry is only in german
[08:11] <odie5533> aww I can't come :(
[08:12] <odie5533> Hmm so has anyone taken any information from the fair and like... used Edubuntu in a school in Germany there?
[08:12] <odie5533> Do you hand anything out there?
[08:13] <juliux> i hope we will have a flyer about ubuntu and edbuntu
[08:14] <odie5533> Do any school districts there use edubuntu?
[08:14] <juliux> i don't know
[08:14] <juliux> because in germany every school can use what they want
[08:15] <juliux> but i hope we can do a part that they will use edubuntu
[08:15] <odie5533> Why edubuntu? Why not show off... windows xp?
[08:16] <odie5533> jk ;)
[08:16] <odie5533> Do you take pictures at the event?
[08:16] <juliux> because edubuntu is free, edubuntu is very easy to install, there is only one computer what need to maintain
[08:17] <juliux> yes i think we will take pictures
[08:17] <odie5533> When is it?
[08:17] <juliux> the event?
[08:17] <odie5533> yes
[08:18] <juliux> the first one is at the 3 and 4 december this year in essen
[08:18] <juliux> this is a normal linux day
[08:18] <juliux> where we have both
[08:18] <odie5533> oh wow not too soon then
[08:18] <odie5533> do you speak german?
[08:18] <juliux> yes of course
[08:19] <odie5533> o
[08:19] <juliux> i live in germany
[08:19] <juliux> s/live/life
[08:19] <odie5533> Hmm and you use Edubuntu on your home pc?
[08:19] <odie5533> nope, its live in germany, not life ;)
[08:19] <odie5533> had it right the first time
[08:19] <juliux> shit
[08:19] <odie5533> life is a noun
[08:20] <juliux> yes i have a desktop pc and a notebook an on the desktop pc is edubutu
[08:20] <juliux> this is the server for the fairs
[08:20] <odie5533> Why not plain Ubuntu?
[08:20] <juliux> because i want to have a terminal server :-)
[08:20] <odie5533> Hmm what for
[08:21] <juliux> for the fairs
[08:21] <odie5533> But the fair isnt till december
[08:21] <juliux> so that every visitor can try out ubuntu and edubuntu
[08:22] <odie5533> how many thin clients are there?
[08:22] <juliux> yes but i want to play with the system
[08:22] <juliux> i think 5-7
[08:22] <odie5533> Do you know your way around edubuntu then?
[08:22] <juliux> sorry what does you mean
[08:22] <juliux> ?
[08:23] <odie5533> lol?
[08:23] <juliux> i want to understand my system
[08:23] <odie5533> Do you understand your system though
[08:23] <juliux> sorry my english isn't very good and its very early in the morning
[08:23] <juliux> i hope so
[08:24] <odie5533> how good are you in TuxPaint?
[08:24] <juliux> never used
[08:24] <odie5533> im probably better at it than you
[08:24] <juliux> yes
[08:24] <odie5533> Wanna have a TuxPaint Battle?
[08:24] <juliux> no thanks
[08:24] <odie5533> o
[08:25] <juliux> i have to go to university in a few minutes
[08:25] <odie5533> lets have the battle when you get back ok?
[08:25] <juliux> ok
[08:25] <odie5533> bring it on
[08:26] <juliux> i will do
[08:27] <juliux> at first i have to install it on my computer
[08:29] <juliux> odie5533, what is a tuxpoint battle?
[09:28] <DarthTode> bonjour everybody !
[03:27] <juliux> re
[03:43] <weasl77_> .
[06:33] <Yagisan> highvoltage: ping
[06:35] <Yagisan> ogra: ping
[06:35] <ogra> Yagisan, pong
[06:36] <Yagisan> ogra: Have you seen mhz around ?, I've got a question re and edit he made
[06:36] <Yagisan> *re a
[06:36] <ogra> yesterday, very shortly... i wasnt online most of th time due to travelling
[06:37] <highvoltage> Yagisan: pong
[06:37] <highvoltage> ogra: good to see you here again
[06:37] <ogra> hey highvoltage :)
[06:37] <Yagisan> highvoltage: how have you been ?
[06:38] <highvoltage> Yagisan: strange
[06:38] <highvoltage> :)
[06:38] <highvoltage> Yagisan: last night i went to bed early, and overslept this morning, and then i felt sleepy all day.
[06:39] <Yagisan> ogra: I added some stuff to the wiki by myself and jeffubuntu and noticed to authorship notice was removed
[06:39] <ogra> hmm
[06:39] <Yagisan> highvoltage: Just got home from celebrating my birthday
[06:39] <ogra> Yagisan, HEY ! HAPPY BIRTHDAY !
[06:40] <Yagisan> ogra: It's not even in the source, I understand he wants "community" docs, but I want to clarify with him why
[06:40] <Yagisan> ogra: thanks :) turned 24 on the 27th
[06:41] <highvoltage> Yagisan: yes, happy birthday!!
[06:41] <ogra> :)
[06:42] <Yagisan> although, over here it finished 2hrs, 40mins ago "offically" I'm still celebrating :)
[06:42] <Yagisan> my little girl had a late night, and a 5 star dinner
[06:44] <Yagisan> ogra: you arrived for the conference ?
[06:44] <ogra> yup
[06:44] <ogra> just starting to write my talk
[06:44] <Yagisan> ogra: giving a demo ?
[06:44] <ogra> hopefully... dunno how my laptop behaves on a projector
[06:45] <ogra> (widescreen)
[06:46] <Yagisan> ogra: multiarch :) you'll probally need some etherboot cds too
[06:46] <ogra> nah, enough PXE alppies around i guess
[06:46] <ogra> *lappies
[06:47] <ogra> got a switch and 5 wires with me :)
[06:47] <ogra> multiarch tsp is already installed ...
[06:47] <ogra> *ltsp
[06:47] <Yagisan> ogra: that uploaded to dapper yet ?
[06:48] <ogra> nope
[06:48] <ogra> during or after the conf
[06:48] <Yagisan> ogra: ok - haven't built my dapper chroots yet.
[06:48] <Yagisan> ogra: do you use distcc ?
[06:48] <ogra> nope... 
[06:49] <Yagisan> ogra: I think it is broken, I need some independent confirmation though
[06:49] <Yagisan> ogra: I set up a nice pbuilder + ccache + distcc setup
[06:50] <ogra> i saw you talking about on -motu
[06:50] <Yagisan> ogra: but with distcc - all compiles fail
[06:50] <Yagisan> ogra: yep - and no confirmation yet
[06:51] <Yagisan> ogra: it really bugs me, I want to know if I fucked it up, and no one uses it
[06:52] <ogra> Yagisan, see if you can get hands on fabbione, i know he uses it extensively
[06:53] <Yagisan> ogra: oh ? /me notes that down.
[06:54] <Yagisan> ogra: Did I tell you about / you see,  the complaints I got in the forums because my private repo was down ?
[06:56] <ogra> nope ? what do you provide there ? 
[06:56] <Yagisan> ogra: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/doomsday.html
[06:57] <Yagisan> ogra: most of it is pending at revu, I need to dfsg the source, and upstream did a new release that I need to test
[06:58] <Yagisan> ogra: It sure is nice to be popular :)
[06:59] <ogra> haha
[06:59] <ogra> :)
[06:59] <Yagisan> ogra: THAT is the app that I really want to run on the ltsp network
[07:00] <ogra> doit :)
[07:00] <Yagisan> ogra: so I can work on it from any of my systems - instead of the server
[07:00] <Yagisan> ogra: but then it runs like a slideshow !
[07:02] <Yagisan> ogra: like the screenies ? it's hard to believe that is just Doom 2 with basically models and high-res textures
[07:03] <\sh> hey ogra...how is the weather in montreal? :)
[07:03] <ogra> cloudy but dry
[07:03] <ogra> around 6C
[07:03] <\sh> sounds fine :) better then here...sunny but windy
[07:04] <ogra> but windy as hell... makes it feel very odd
[07:04] <ogra> susus told me we had nearly 30C at home yesterday :)
[07:04] <\sh> ogra: u r lucky...that u didn't feel guenthers thunderstorm yesterday
[07:04] <\sh> ogra: yepp
[07:04] <ogra> (i'm sure she exaggerates)
[07:05] <\sh> well...something like 25 was it..when I came home
[07:05] <ogra> woah
[07:05] <\sh> strange weather for germany in autum
[07:05] <Yagisan> sounds like the weather down here
[07:06] <ogra> wow, actually 18
[07:06] <\sh> ogra: in eifel? well..here was 25 (believing the sparkasse ,-))
[07:06] <ogra> thats *very* unusual for this time of year
[07:07] <\sh> *veryvery*
[07:07] <\sh> but in ISH land we hat thunderstorm guenther 
[07:07] <ogra> \sh, can you bring a big connector strip (steckerleiste) please ? i forgot mine ...
[07:08] <\sh> ogra: noted :) 
[07:08] <ogra> thanks :)
[07:08] <\sh> ogra: how bug?
[07:08] <\sh> aeh big?
[07:08] <ogra> a 5er ?
[07:08] <ogra> at least 3 ...
[07:08] <\sh> make 6 and we're ok :)
[07:09] <\sh> well...I will buy a new one...mine are somewhat occupied
[07:09] <\sh> or two
[07:09] <ogra> i'll pay it :)
[07:10] <\sh> ogra: no...i need new ones as well ;)
[07:10] <\sh> ogra: hope my salary is on my account tomorrow ;)
[07:20] <Yagisan> highvoltage: are you 196.7.130.247 ?
[07:22] <highvoltage> Yagisan: no
[07:22] <highvoltage> although, that ip address looks very familiar.
[07:23] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I ask, as it is a south african address - and I know you are in that area
[07:24] <highvoltage> my sites are all hosted overseas, since it's expensive to host locally :)
[07:24] <Yagisan> highvoltage: looks like a have a visitor to my hoary repo from around there
[07:25] <highvoltage> ah, it was me :)
[07:25] <highvoltage> it's my isp's address.
[07:25] <highvoltage> i'm natted very deep, that's an upstream ip.
[07:26] <Yagisan> highvoltage: heh - I called it. Breezy repo will be open next week, so I suggest browse now, and check the website every few days
[07:26] <highvoltage> ok
[07:27] <Yagisan> highvoltage: breezy will get beta3, + cleaned up resource packs
[07:27] <highvoltage> i'd like to have some games for ubuntu. since i deleted windows i've missed my old games.
[07:27] <Yagisan> highvoltage: i386 only I'm afraid (I have no ppc, and it still isn't 64bit clean)
[07:28] <highvoltage> i don't have 64bit or ppc either, only i386.
[07:28] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I think most users do, that's why I packaged it - it was later determined that it can't go to multiverse
[07:29] <highvoltage> how so?
[07:29] <highvoltage> is it non-free software?
[07:29] <Yagisan> highvoltage: without some removals, because there is some dumb arse activision eula tagged on to a generally free license
[07:30] <Yagisan> highvoltage: there is a license file - it says you may not distribute this file, later in the doc, it says you may distribute this file
[07:30] <highvoltage> that sux.
[07:31] <Yagisan> highvoltage: the motus felt that was unsuitable for multiverse, so I have a 3rd party repo, harrass upstream, and am working on a dfsg version
[07:32] <Yagisan> highvoltage: which is all legal on my local law, but would not be in say germany
[07:41] <highvoltage> i think it's good that you're harrassing upstream
[07:45] <Yagisan> highvoltage: I think the 2.0 rewrite will be ok, but I will have to rip out heretic & hexen support for the 1.9.x releases
[07:45] <Yagisan> highvoltage: It's one of the few games I like (as you can tell on the website)
[07:47] <Yagisan> night all
[07:53] <\sh> re
[07:56] <ogra> hey cloaker :)
[07:57] <juliux> ogra, are there pressed edubuntu cds? 
[07:57] <\sh> ogra: yeah..after some difficulties
[07:57] <\sh> with my  \ ;)
[07:58] <ogra> juliux, nope
[07:58] <juliux> ogra, ok thanks
[07:58] <ogra> and i doubt we'll make any... mark will only pay for one release... dapper might be the one
[07:59] <\sh> ogra: please talk to amu...
[07:59] <juliux> ogra, ok thanks
[07:59] <\sh> ogra: i want to see some cds on the shop for 1 eur
[07:59] <ogra> \sh, will do :)
[08:00] <\sh> ogra: and please tell him, that edubuntu is not a "nieschenprodukt"
[08:00] <juliux> \sh, +1
[08:00] <ogra> hehe
[08:00] <\sh> ogra: or we have to sit someday and buy a HP laser dvd recorder with printing function..
[08:01] <\sh> ogra: or let it make 5 eur where 4 euros will be donated
[08:01] <juliux> ogra, a cd design would be nice, so we can burn them and label them
[08:01] <gand> I'm dist-upgrade, do you know a mirror list to configure sources.list?
[08:01] <ogra> juliux, there is a CD cover alread
[08:01] <ogra> y
[08:01] <juliux> ogra, in the wiki?
[08:02] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip
[08:02] <ogra> but we didnt work out the text yet
[08:04] <gand> when my byttery finished my ibook went to sleep... and never wake up :(
[08:04] <gand> byttery/battery
[08:04] <jelkner> ogra: oliver, you here?
[08:04] <\sh> gand: this is more #ubuntu or #ubuntu-laptop :)
[08:04] <ogra> jelkner, nope... :) i'm in montreal
[08:04] <jelkner> lol cool!
[08:05] <jelkner> i'll be joining you next week
[08:05] <highvoltage> there's an ubuntu-laptop?
[08:05] <ogra> yup :)
[08:05] <jelkner> that's what i wanted to talk about
[08:05] <\sh> highvoltage: yeah
[08:05] <jelkner> is there anything i need to put on the website before then?
[08:06] <ogra> do you feel anything is missing ? then add it
[08:06] <gand> thank, I need only upgrade mirror list, not speaking about laptop, sorry
[08:06] <jelkner> well, there is a lot missing, we will be doing the spec for dapper next week
[08:06] <jelkner> i think we can do it in 3 days
[08:06] <\sh> jelkner: convince JaneW that she is baking another 10 edubuntu cakes before ubuntu love day ;)
[08:07] <ogra> jelkner, was this spec added to the speclist last week ? 
[08:07] <jelkner> JaneW: we *really* need the cakes!
[08:07] <jelkner> i don't know?
[08:08] <ogra> jelkner, if you didnt add it it might not be there and thus might not be scheduled 
[08:08] <\sh> JaneW: *withgreyblueeyeslookingatyou* please bake some cakes...I heard, that the kitchen in a holliday inn is quite good ,-)
[08:08] <gand> A n adununtu question, a collegue ask me if edubuntu is for 6/10 or 10/14 or over 14 years old students?
[08:08] <highvoltage> JaneW: that "*withgreyblueeyeslookingatyou*", does that ever work?
[08:09] <highvoltage> sorry, meant to ask \sh :)
[08:09] <jelkner> but JaneW asked me to do it
[08:09] <ogra> jelkner, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs
[08:09] <\sh> highvoltage: sometimes...
[08:09] <jelkner> i also see: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/DapperGoals
[08:09] <\sh> highvoltage: my greyblueeyes are underlined by my blue glasses ,-)
[08:10] <ogra> jelkner, thats not relevant for the conf schedule
[08:11] <jelkner> ok
[08:11] <ogra> it will be totally built aournd the speclist
[08:11] <jelkner> i see your posting: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-use-management
[08:11] <jelkner> so i'm not really clear on what to do
[08:12] <jelkner> a down under we created a single spec for edubuntu
[08:12] <jelkner> do we want to do that again?
[08:12] <ogra> that one is merged with the ubuntu spec
[08:12] <ogra> (the launchpad spec)
[08:12] <jelkner> or is it far enough along now that we need seperate specs for different things?
[08:13] <jelkner> how will we proceed with things like:
[08:13] <jelkner> 1. local devices
[08:13] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/network-authentication
[08:13] <ogra> thats adreesed already
[08:13] <jelkner> sound too?
[08:13] <jelkner> where?
[08:13] <ogra> i'm struggling a bit with sound stuff, since i refuse to use esd or nas
[08:13] <ogra> its on the list
[08:14] <ogra> i'm the drafter, but sabdfl and mdz want the ltsp guys to lead the BOFs
[08:15] <jelkner> so what should i be doing?
[08:16] <jelkner> i see content filtering is there too, very important!
[08:16] <ogra> dropped... mdz doesnt want me to work on it ... i'll have to talk to him about it
[08:17] <jelkner> ouch!
[08:17] <JaneW> hi guys
[08:17] <jelkner> i'll talk to him too
[08:17] <\sh> hey JaneW 
[08:17] <jelkner> edubuntu won't fly without it
[08:17] <ogra> he thinks setting up squid for transparent proxying by default is to dangerous/intrusive on the package
[08:17] <JaneW> can't chat now, but if you want stuff scheduled get the spec registered on Launchpad asap
[08:17] <JaneW> they are going through the list right now and rejecting or approving them for discussion at UBZ
[08:17] <ogra> jelkner, what we will provide wont be better than a cheapo dsl route with content filter...
[08:17] <ogra> *router
[08:18] <jelkner> do cheapo routers do that now?
[08:18] <ogra> both that i have at home provite a blacklist based filter ...
[08:19] <ogra> most do that
[08:19] <\sh> we need some good stuff for ubuntu-server which makes it easy to set up a firewall..(firewall == concept of securing a network)
[08:19] <ogra> but its still hard to administer
[08:19] <jelkner> run dan's guardian or something similar?
[08:19] <ogra> just a blacklist
[08:19] <jelkner> it is state law in most us schools that you *have* to filter
[08:19] <\sh> packetfilter, url filter, application filter
[08:19] <ogra> with pattern matching...
[08:20] <jelkner> ok, i'll be setting that up for the mt rainier library
[08:20] <ogra> mdz doesnt want me to cripple the available squid package, so lets see what w can work out ... i think making trasparent proxy a debconf option on package install shouldnt be to hard
[08:21] <ogra> but as long as he disagrees, i wont gain any ground there
[08:21] <jelkner> ok, i'll wait until next week to talk to you more about that
[08:21] <\sh> ogra: squid improved in filtering urls? or filtering active-x crap or java applet crap?
[08:21] <jelkner> without filtering, the system isn't usable in most places we want to use it
[08:22] <ogra> \sh, squid+squidguard+a simple balcklist package you can regulary update
[08:22] <jelkner> so even if it is a technical marvel, it won't get anywhere
[08:22] <ogra> only a url filter with regex pattern matching
[08:22] <jelkner> anyway, what do you want me to do?
[08:22] <ogra> probably + a gui for editing the blacklists
[08:23] <jelkner> i have my own itches to scratch (edubuntu for CS education), but beyond that, i'm at your disposal
[08:23] <ogra> jelkner, give us the necessary input from the field :)
[08:23] <jelkner> certainly
[08:26] <ogra> we rely on your experience ...
[08:26] <ogra> add the specs to the list you find missing asap...
[08:27] <ogra> so JaneW can fight for tem :)
[08:27] <ogra> *them
[08:33] <jelkner> where do i look for the current list? (pardon slow response times, i'm in class ;-)
[08:34] <jelkner> i can think of two things that are probably not there:
[08:34] <jelkner> 1. python teaching tools
[08:34] <jelkner> 2. java teaching tools
[08:34] <jelkner> 1 is particularly important
[08:35] <jelkner> the current debian wxpython has some serious bugs
[08:35] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec
[08:35] <ogra> 2.4 should be fine ...
[08:36] <crimsun> wxpython 2.4 or 2.6?
[08:36] <jelkner> 2.6
[08:36] <ogra> note that we didnt want to talk aboput app selection for edubuntu at UBZ, we'll (hopefully) have a edubuntu summit again dedicated to app selection
[08:36] <jelkner> there are 186 specs
[08:36] <jelkner> in no particular order
[08:37] <ogra> app selection ate too much time at the last summit....
[08:37] <crimsun> jelkner: reproducible in Breezy's/Dapper's wxpython 2.6?
[08:38] <jelkner> crimsun: yes, it is a mouse bug
[08:38] <jelkner> pretty anoying
[08:38] <jelkner> annoying
[08:38] <jelkner> the mouse cursor locks up
[08:38] <crimsun> BTS #?
[08:38] <jelkner> BTS?
[08:39] <ogra> jelkner, bugzilla number 
[08:39] <crimsun> if gcc-4.0 has finished building, we can probably upload a fix
[08:39] <jelkner> oh, well the problem is that i wasn't sure where the bug was located
[08:39] <jelkner> i first saw it in gvr
[08:39] <jelkner> and we reported a gvr bug
[08:39] <jelkner> then i saw it in spe and drpython
[08:39] <ogra> jelkner, youre not supposed to fix it, just report it ;)
[08:40] <jelkner> i understand, i did report it
[08:40] <jelkner> but on the wrong package
[08:41] <jelkner> i'm about to start teaching python
[08:42] <jelkner> i don't know what development environment to use
[08:42] <jelkner> aside from being a personal issue for me, i think it is actually an important long term issue for ubuntu/edubuntu
[08:42] <jelkner> if we want to really grow the community in the long run
[08:43] <jelkner> we need to provide young folks with the tools to begin learning software development
[08:43] <jelkner> python is almost there...
[08:43] <crimsun> do you have a bugzilla/malone #?
[08:43] <\sh> jelkner: if you are brave...use eric as python ide...it's the best I know..but I'm the one who is somehow responsible for the pyQT/pyKDE stuff behind it ;)
[08:44] <\sh> jelkner: but it's qt/kde stuff :(
[08:44] <jelkner> \sh: i tend to favor either spe or drpython
[08:44] <jelkner> because i'm a gnome user, and what i'm really looking for is good pythoncard and pygame integration
[08:44] <jelkner> spe looks the most promissing
[08:44] <\sh> jelkner: spe? this is the pywxgtk stuff which doko brought in during breezy...
[08:45] <\sh> Von: 	Matthias Klose <doko@ubuntu.com>
[08:45] <\sh> Antwort an: 	ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[08:45] <\sh> An: 	breezy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com
[08:45] <\sh> Betreff: 	Accepted spe 0.7.5c-1 (source)
[08:45] <\sh> yeah it is
[08:45] <ogra> yup
[08:46] <\sh> it crashed after 5 mins of testing for me :(
[08:46] <ogra> but edubuntu has all the kde libs installed anyway... shouldnt make probs to use eric
[08:46] <\sh> ogra: pyqt/pykde stuff is in main anyways
[08:46] <\sh> ogra: and I was upset about it ;)
[08:47] <ogra> in opposite to wxpython
[08:47] <jelkner> i'll actually be happy to use whatever you guys tell me to use
[08:48] <jelkner> my main hope is to use what will eventually become the "edubuntu default"
[08:48] <\sh> jelkner: check eric...really...it's a real mature IDE for python and it has a good help system..you can include everything u want
[08:48] <ogra> jelkner, i'd be happy to include *one* IDE based on your expertise
[08:48] <jelkner> ok, i need to run now..
[08:49] <jelkner> we will down load eric and check it out
[08:49] <\sh> jelkner: when are u coming to ubz?
[08:49] <ogra> \sh, yes he is
[08:49] <ogra> next week afaik
[08:49] <\sh> ogra: so from monday?
[08:50] <jelkner> \sh tuesday evening
[08:50] <jelkner> i get in at 6:10 pm
[08:50] <jelkner> on tuesday
[08:50] <jelkner> and i'm there until sunday
[08:50] <\sh> jelkner: wonderful :) so we have a lot to discuss
[08:50] <jelkner> \sh what is your name?
[08:50] <\sh> jelkner: StephanHermann
[08:51] <\sh> jelkner: ogra will introduce ;)
[08:51] <ogra> sure :)
[08:51] <jelkner> excellent, Stephan, I'm looking forward to meeting you
[08:51] <ogra> \sh, jelkner is the guy who will be together with the huge massive and loud guy with the cowboy hat :)
[08:52] <ogra> (assuming flint comes)
[08:52] <jelkner> he will be there first
[08:52] <ogra> ah, k
[08:52] <\sh> ogra: I wonder if I should wear my red hat fedora to be recognized ;)
[08:52] <jelkner> hopefully you can rope him in before i get there
[08:52] <jelkner> good luck!
[08:52] <ogra> lol
[08:52] <\sh> jelkner: see u in montreal :) 
[08:53] <ogra> jelkner, its not a rodeo :)
[08:53] <ogra> only a conferece :)
[08:54] <ogra> going smoking
[08:55] <\sh> ogra: the human being is allowed to smoke in public in montreal?
[09:05] <ogra> \sh, sure
[09:05] <ogra> my taxi driver gave me a cigarette while he drove me here from the airport :)
[09:06] <crimsun> how was the flight, ogra?
[09:06] <ogra> terrible ... tubulences all over ...
[09:07] <ogra> i guess we flew over the remainings of katie ...
[09:07] <ajmitch_> lol
[09:07] <ajmitch_> ogra: but we haven't moved to launchpad yet ;)
[09:08] <crimsun> ogra: ouch, sorry to hear
[09:08] <ogra> i survived :)
[09:11] <gand> thank bye
[10:29] <pitux> hello
[10:35] <\sh> oh mann
[10:36] <\sh> sry
[10:36] <\sh> ogra: u plan to attend the essen linux tag?
[10:36] <ogra> \sh, i think so
[10:37] <\sh> ogra: cool...joining u...I promised it
[10:37] <\sh> "Take A Photo With A MOTU"
[10:50] <Lord_Athur> hi
[10:50] <Lord_Athur> I'm a kubuntu user and I want to install edubuntu with apt-get, what must I do?
[10:52] <Lord_Athur> or what repositories do I have to have for install it?
[10:55] <Lord_Athur> can someone help me!!!???!!!
[10:55] <pitux> aptitude install edubuntu-desktop
[10:56] <pitux> search in your synpatic with the string "edubuntu"
[10:58] <Lord_Athur> good idea
[10:58] <Lord_Athur> :P
[10:58] <pitux> ;D
[10:59] <Lord_Athur> does edubuntu have a live CD for use in classrooms for example?
[11:00] <weasl77> only an install disk as far as I know
[11:00] <Lord_Athur> ok
[11:00] <Lord_Athur> :S
[11:00] <weasl77> (it would be an ideal answer):-,
[11:02] <Lord_Athur> pitux, synpatic did not find no thing
[11:02] <pitux> ummmmmm
[11:03] <pitux> Use the breezy version?
[11:03] <pitux> sorry my english no is good
[11:04] <Lord_Athur> pitux, what's your native language?
[11:07] <pitux> spanish
[11:08] <Lord_Athur> en ese caso tampoco tenemos problemas
[11:09] <Lord_Athur> no uso breezy
[11:10] <bluefrog-10> did you apt-get update?
[11:10] <Lord_Athur> yes I did this before try installing edubuntu-desktop
[11:11] <pitux> edubuntu is only in breezy
[11:11] <Lord_Athur> why?
[11:11] <pitux> edubuntu is not in hoary
[11:11] <Lord_Athur> ...
[11:11] <Lord_Athur> 
[11:11] <Lord_Athur> that problem!
[11:12] <pitux> Lord_Athur, answer my messages privates please
[11:12] <Lord_Athur> can I change my sistem from hoary to freezy?
[11:12] <pitux> yeah
[11:12] <pitux> is very easy
[11:12] <pitux> change in the sources.list the string hoary for breezy
[11:13] <pitux> next sudo aptitude update
[11:13] <Lord_Athur> leasve me see....
[11:13] <pitux> sudo aptitude dist-upgarde
[11:13] <pitux> more information in the channel #ubuntu-es
[11:14] <pitux> for users in spanish
[11:15] <Lord_Athur> bye