[12:06] ogra: nice to see ya aroubd [12:06] aroubd === linescanner [n=andy@62.121.26.69] has joined #edubuntu === ogra waves from montreal === mhz still wavez from Chile :) [12:07] ogra: is everything going cool? [12:07] yup [12:07] i'm terribly tired [12:08] sorry [12:08] but else everything is fine [12:08] but maybe i can cheer you up by giving you and Jane good news [12:08] mhz, about the comment from your friend.... why should X behave different if i wrap the X packages in ssh poackages ? [12:09] i dont understand his concern :) [12:09] nop, we already talked about it with highvoltage [12:09] and highvoltage did a great job explainig [12:10] hey bluefrog, you around? [12:10] ah, k [12:11] yep === weasl7 [n=weasl7@bigstick.force9.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [12:15] ogra here's the stuff about samba-ldap. http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/3675 [12:17] fiddled a few hours today to setup a quick server ( mail, dns and so on ) but then discovered that it takes less time to set it up from a normal breezy. the server mode is missing so many things it's a nightmare (especially for CPAN) [12:18] rexykik, wazzup? [12:19] bluefrog-10, thanks stored... [12:19] sorry, have to save battery ... [12:19] :) [12:20] bye === xDudex [n=bob@66.213.106.194] has joined #edubuntu [12:28] Hello [12:28] hi [12:29] quick question, or maybe it's quick [12:29] is it easier to set up ltsp with edubuntu versus the standard ubuntu [12:29] err ? [12:30] edubuntu [12:31] ok, thank you [12:31] I am downloading it right now [12:32] I had been trying for quite some time to get it working with Ubuntu but it only got as far as the login screen.... quite frustrating [12:33] once u have installed edubuntu follow the guide on ubuntuwiki. ther's a glitch with ssh as well that can solved with the following... [12:34] sudo rm /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts [12:34] sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys [12:34] to do on the server [12:35] or if u want to install ltsp on normal breezy follow this http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/3673 [12:36] bluefrog: any special guide i should follow for edubuntu (installing now), or can i just follow the one you gave me? [12:36] excellent [12:36] if u install edubuntu follow the edubuntu guide on ubuntuwiki [12:37] xDudex, you have the problem where after logging into the terminal on xdm is just restarts X? [12:37] it* [12:37] and if u have pb on login screen don't forget the ssh trick [12:37] rexykik, yes [12:37] me too [12:37] i've been battling that today [12:38] installing it now [12:38] (edubuntu) [12:38] I have burned and rebuilt it a few times trying to figure out the problem [12:38] I had the same pb when i installed the standalone [12:38] but that has all been with Ubuntu, not Edubuntu [12:38] yeah. [12:38] installing as we speak...hopefully it'll work and I can go home. [12:38] i'm assuming i'll have to install gdm. [12:39] ltsp always lists that it's missing xdmcp [12:39] it's not a pb [12:39] edubuntu anyway doesn't use gdm nor xdm [12:40] it's just the ssh problem, bluefrog? [12:40] on edubuntu if u have this pb yes. on normal breezy I don't know. the only thing i know is i had no more pb when i got rid of ltsp stanalone on nrmal breezy [12:41] hence, the installation of ltsp-server instead of ltsp-server-standalone in those instructions you linked me to? [12:41] is standalone installed by default on ed? [12:42] xDudex, yes [12:42] ahh, ok, makes sense... I'm starting a fresh install and going to try out those instructions right now [12:42] rexykik, can't remember, all i know is that it is configured well, u just have to tweak the dhcpd;conf [12:44] for edubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPServerSetup?highlight=%28ltsp%29 [12:47] time for me to hit the sac. last thing that saves me lots of time and in case u don't know it. [12:48] when u make a clean install, make an image using partimage in systemrescuecd (for example) before u start fiddling with your system. takes 2 to 3 minutes to reinstall the image if u need a fresh system again.. [12:58] ok === karl_ [n=karl@c-24-11-146-21.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === weasl77_ [n=weasl77@bigstick.force9.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === KurtKraut is now known as kurtkraut === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.4.128] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 brb === odie5533 [n=odie5533@c-67-173-60-105.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:42] My mom teaches a 4th grade class with 3 pcs. I was wondering which would be better to use: Edubuntu or Wind95 with educational windows games from the learning company and broarderbund === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === Topslakr [n=Topslakr@24-54-42-180.lndnnh.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:00] I'm trying to get the dhcp server running on my server but it says i need a subnet declaration for eth0... [04:01] i don't know what it's talking about. I have one set i think.. === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu [04:18] hi, good chilean evening you all === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-83-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:18] anyone knows how to add spanish locale to edubuntu applications? === mhz always uses 100% english but many people has now asked me about spanish [04:18] :( === magnon is a bit embarassed not to know [04:38] magnon: why embarrosed [04:38] ? [04:39] because I should know [04:39] BTW, i know how! [04:39] d'u wana know? [04:39] Christofer, why should you? [04:41] magnon: ? [04:43] because, I use english all the time, but customers have Norwegian [04:44] well, apt-get install language-support-es [04:44] if it's that simple [04:45] magnon: GNOME: System -> Administration -> Language Selector [04:45] that works for one user only, wouldn't it [04:46] I've got no idea, I never change from default :-P [04:46] will 'automatically' install the packages you need [04:46] ah, right [04:46] magnon: that will work for all users who specify lang at GDM time [04:47] m'kay [04:53] but sure, APT is actually doing it :) [04:54] magnon: are you currently using edubuntu? your customers? students? [04:54] me, no [04:54] some students, yes [04:54] ah, what are their impressions so far? [04:54] good, overall [04:54] but I've been away [04:54] so I can't really tell :-P [04:54] hehehe [04:55] .oO(they all have switched to M$) [04:55] I'm going to UBZ so I should have had a talk first :p === mhz couldnt afford to but whishes to [04:56] I couldn't really afford it either [04:56] but? [04:56] but, I'm combining it with some other things [04:56] oh, educool [04:56] visiting a friend in NY [04:56] some others in Ottawa [04:57] my wife didn't let me, period :D [04:57] hehe [04:57] I'm single and all [04:57] hehehe [04:57] ohhhh, that explains it [04:57] Maybe next time, meeting will be here in Chile [04:57] ick [04:58] aha, so that's the Christoffer :) [04:58] Chile is cheap for you [04:58] mhz: on one hand, traveling halfway around the world is fun, but expensive flights [04:59] hmmm, yes and nop. [04:59] ajmitch_, yes :) [04:59] magnon: you get into UBZ on the 30th? [04:59] I'll come from Ottawa, hungover, on Sunday morning [04:59] heh [04:59] so I'll have the room to myself to recover from jetlag on the saturday :) [04:59] I have talked to many friends and Chile is cheaper than going to Australia or almost same as US from Europe [05:00] oh, my roomie :D [05:00] yep [05:01] we should have a campaign: Those who couldn't afford to get there but have done some good job for edubuntu community should get at least the pleasure of a T-Shirt sent home :D [05:01] you might get the room on monday night too, if I take off for Halloween :P === mhz listens to Jean Michelle Jarre/ Equinoxe Part V === bluefrog-10 [n=James@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu [05:26] Is there an accelerated reader-like program for edubuntu? === pitux [n=pitux@37-190-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === odie5533 [n=odie5533@c-67-173-60-105.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:07] odie5533: i did not get your question? === mhz listens to Jean Michelle Jarre/ Zoolook/ Ethnicolor === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-148-148.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz desperately goes to bed === mhz is now known as mhz_zzZZ === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-148-148.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #edubuntu === Topslakr [n=Topslakr@24-54-42-180.lndnnh.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === kurtkraut [n=ktk@space.sbyte.org] has joined #edubuntu === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #edubuntu === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === dabaR__ [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-148-148.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away [n=sh@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #edubuntu === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-148-148.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #edubuntu === Topslakr [n=Topslakr@24-54-42-180.lndnnh.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #edubuntu === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === dabaR__ [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-148-148.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away [n=sh@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #edubuntu [07:11] Does broaderbund and the learning company software run on Edubuntu? [07:14] Like The Zoombinis and Mountain Rescue? maybe? === juliux_HSV [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === juliux_HSV is now known as juliux [07:59] Anyone here even? [08:01] odie5533, can bee or not [08:03] juliux, do you run edubuntu? [08:03] odie5533, yes i do [08:04] Are you a teacher? [08:04] odie5533, no i am a student [08:04] What grade are you in if you don't mind me asking? [08:04] odie5533, i run edubuntu on my home computer [08:05] What for? [08:05] TuxPaint? [08:05] i manage the german fair acitivity for ubuntu [08:05] and at the fairs we have a edubuntu server and thinclients [08:05] Ah [08:05] and we show the visitors edubuntu and ubuntu [08:05] What do the thin clients run? [08:06] what specs I mean to say [08:06] just notebooks wicht boots via pxe [08:06] s/wicht/which [08:06] Ah and why do you do this? [08:06] you yourself [08:07] because ubuntu and edubuntu are coll [08:07] s/coll/cool [08:07] what is that s/coll/cool thing? and the s/wicht/which? [08:07] that is sed syntax [08:07] What is sed? [08:08] man sed ;-) [08:08] moment i have to find the english words [08:08] Is it specific to bash? [08:08] hm no [08:08] with sed you can replace words [08:09] could it be used in say a C progra,? [08:09] so coll is the search pattern and it has to replace buy cool [08:09] s/buy/by [08:09] ah I see [08:09] it is a unix tool [08:10] yes [08:10] hmm so ubuntu is cool and you show it off at a fair in germany? [08:10] but not a bash tool you can it also use with other shells [08:10] yes [08:10] if will do this [08:10] wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Messen/2006 there you can see where we will do that [08:11] sorry is only in german [08:11] aww I can't come :( [08:12] Hmm so has anyone taken any information from the fair and like... used Edubuntu in a school in Germany there? [08:12] Do you hand anything out there? [08:13] i hope we will have a flyer about ubuntu and edbuntu [08:14] Do any school districts there use edubuntu? [08:14] i don't know [08:14] because in germany every school can use what they want [08:15] but i hope we can do a part that they will use edubuntu [08:15] Why edubuntu? Why not show off... windows xp? [08:16] jk ;) [08:16] Do you take pictures at the event? [08:16] because edubuntu is free, edubuntu is very easy to install, there is only one computer what need to maintain [08:17] yes i think we will take pictures [08:17] When is it? [08:17] the event? [08:17] yes [08:18] the first one is at the 3 and 4 december this year in essen [08:18] this is a normal linux day [08:18] where we have both [08:18] oh wow not too soon then [08:18] do you speak german? [08:18] yes of course [08:19] o [08:19] i live in germany [08:19] s/live/life [08:19] Hmm and you use Edubuntu on your home pc? [08:19] nope, its live in germany, not life ;) [08:19] had it right the first time [08:19] shit [08:19] life is a noun [08:20] yes i have a desktop pc and a notebook an on the desktop pc is edubutu [08:20] this is the server for the fairs [08:20] Why not plain Ubuntu? [08:20] because i want to have a terminal server :-) [08:20] Hmm what for [08:21] for the fairs [08:21] But the fair isnt till december [08:21] so that every visitor can try out ubuntu and edubuntu [08:22] how many thin clients are there? [08:22] yes but i want to play with the system [08:22] i think 5-7 [08:22] Do you know your way around edubuntu then? [08:22] sorry what does you mean [08:22] ? [08:23] lol? [08:23] i want to understand my system [08:23] Do you understand your system though [08:23] sorry my english isn't very good and its very early in the morning [08:23] i hope so [08:24] how good are you in TuxPaint? [08:24] never used [08:24] im probably better at it than you [08:24] yes [08:24] Wanna have a TuxPaint Battle? [08:24] no thanks [08:24] o [08:25] i have to go to university in a few minutes [08:25] lets have the battle when you get back ok? 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[06:38] Yagisan: strange [06:38] :) [06:38] Yagisan: last night i went to bed early, and overslept this morning, and then i felt sleepy all day. [06:39] ogra: I added some stuff to the wiki by myself and jeffubuntu and noticed to authorship notice was removed [06:39] hmm [06:39] highvoltage: Just got home from celebrating my birthday [06:39] Yagisan, HEY ! HAPPY BIRTHDAY ! [06:40] ogra: It's not even in the source, I understand he wants "community" docs, but I want to clarify with him why [06:40] ogra: thanks :) turned 24 on the 27th [06:41] Yagisan: yes, happy birthday!! [06:41] :) [06:42] although, over here it finished 2hrs, 40mins ago "offically" I'm still celebrating :) [06:42] my little girl had a late night, and a 5 star dinner === Yagisan wonders, why as I get older, does it seem I buy my own birthday presents ?? [06:44] ogra: you arrived for the conference ? [06:44] yup [06:44] just starting to write my talk [06:44] ogra: giving a demo ? [06:44] hopefully... dunno how my laptop behaves on a projector [06:45] (widescreen) [06:46] ogra: multiarch :) you'll probally need some etherboot cds too [06:46] nah, enough PXE alppies around i guess [06:46] *lappies [06:47] got a switch and 5 wires with me :) [06:47] multiarch tsp is already installed ... [06:47] *ltsp [06:47] ogra: that uploaded to dapper yet ? [06:48] nope [06:48] during or after the conf [06:48] ogra: ok - haven't built my dapper chroots yet. [06:48] ogra: do you use distcc ? [06:48] nope... [06:49] ogra: I think it is broken, I need some independent confirmation though [06:49] ogra: I set up a nice pbuilder + ccache + distcc setup [06:50] i saw you talking about on -motu [06:50] ogra: but with distcc - all compiles fail [06:50] ogra: yep - and no confirmation yet [06:51] ogra: it really bugs me, I want to know if I fucked it up, and no one uses it [06:52] Yagisan, see if you can get hands on fabbione, i know he uses it extensively [06:53] ogra: oh ? /me notes that down. [06:54] ogra: Did I tell you about / you see, the complaints I got in the forums because my private repo was down ? [06:56] nope ? what do you provide there ? [06:56] ogra: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/doomsday.html [06:57] ogra: most of it is pending at revu, I need to dfsg the source, and upstream did a new release that I need to test [06:58] ogra: It sure is nice to be popular :) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [06:59] haha [06:59] :) === Yagisan notes he should make some updates to that page [06:59] ogra: THAT is the app that I really want to run on the ltsp network [07:00] doit :) [07:00] ogra: so I can work on it from any of my systems - instead of the server [07:00] ogra: but then it runs like a slideshow ! [07:02] ogra: like the screenies ? it's hard to believe that is just Doom 2 with basically models and high-res textures [07:03] <\sh> hey ogra...how is the weather in montreal? :) [07:03] cloudy but dry [07:03] around 6C [07:03] <\sh> sounds fine :) better then here...sunny but windy [07:04] but windy as hell... makes it feel very odd [07:04] susus told me we had nearly 30C at home yesterday :) [07:04] <\sh> ogra: u r lucky...that u didn't feel guenthers thunderstorm yesterday [07:04] <\sh> ogra: yepp [07:04] (i'm sure she exaggerates) [07:05] <\sh> well...something like 25 was it..when I came home [07:05] woah [07:05] <\sh> strange weather for germany in autum === ogra cant belive that .... goes to www.eifelwetter.de to check [07:05] sounds like the weather down here [07:06] wow, actually 18 [07:06] <\sh> ogra: in eifel? well..here was 25 (believing the sparkasse ,-)) [07:06] thats *very* unusual for this time of year [07:07] <\sh> *veryvery* [07:07] <\sh> but in ISH land we hat thunderstorm guenther [07:07] \sh, can you bring a big connector strip (steckerleiste) please ? i forgot mine ... [07:08] <\sh> ogra: noted :) [07:08] thanks :) [07:08] <\sh> ogra: how bug? [07:08] <\sh> aeh big? [07:08] a 5er ? [07:08] at least 3 ... [07:08] <\sh> make 6 and we're ok :) [07:09] <\sh> well...I will buy a new one...mine are somewhat occupied [07:09] <\sh> or two [07:09] i'll pay it :) === ogra goes for a smoke [07:10] <\sh> ogra: no...i need new ones as well ;) [07:10] <\sh> ogra: hope my salary is on my account tomorrow ;) === \sh is now known as \sh_away [07:20] highvoltage: are you 196.7.130.247 ? === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-69-69-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #edubuntu [] === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-69-69-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan hates when he closes the wrong gaim window [07:22] Yagisan: no [07:22] although, that ip address looks very familiar. [07:23] highvoltage: I ask, as it is a south african address - and I know you are in that area [07:24] my sites are all hosted overseas, since it's expensive to host locally :) [07:24] highvoltage: looks like a have a visitor to my hoary repo from around there [07:25] ah, it was me :) [07:25] it's my isp's address. [07:25] i'm natted very deep, that's an upstream ip. [07:26] highvoltage: heh - I called it. Breezy repo will be open next week, so I suggest browse now, and check the website every few days [07:26] ok [07:27] highvoltage: breezy will get beta3, + cleaned up resource packs [07:27] i'd like to have some games for ubuntu. since i deleted windows i've missed my old games. [07:27] highvoltage: i386 only I'm afraid (I have no ppc, and it still isn't 64bit clean) [07:28] i don't have 64bit or ppc either, only i386. [07:28] highvoltage: I think most users do, that's why I packaged it - it was later determined that it can't go to multiverse [07:29] how so? [07:29] is it non-free software? [07:29] highvoltage: without some removals, because there is some dumb arse activision eula tagged on to a generally free license [07:30] highvoltage: there is a license file - it says you may not distribute this file, later in the doc, it says you may distribute this file [07:30] that sux. [07:31] highvoltage: the motus felt that was unsuitable for multiverse, so I have a 3rd party repo, harrass upstream, and am working on a dfsg version [07:32] highvoltage: which is all legal on my local law, but would not be in say germany [07:41] i think it's good that you're harrassing upstream [07:45] highvoltage: I think the 2.0 rewrite will be ok, but I will have to rip out heretic & hexen support for the 1.9.x releases [07:45] highvoltage: It's one of the few games I like (as you can tell on the website) [07:47] night all === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-69-69-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #edubuntu [] === \sh [n=sh@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #edubuntu [07:53] <\sh> re [07:56] hey cloaker :) [07:57] ogra, are there pressed edubuntu cds? [07:57] <\sh> ogra: yeah..after some difficulties [07:57] <\sh> with my \ ;) === gand [n=gand@62-101-126-208.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #edubuntu [07:58] juliux, nope [07:58] ogra, ok thanks [07:58] and i doubt we'll make any... mark will only pay for one release... dapper might be the one [07:59] <\sh> ogra: please talk to amu... [07:59] ogra, ok thanks [07:59] <\sh> ogra: i want to see some cds on the shop for 1 eur [07:59] \sh, will do :) [08:00] <\sh> ogra: and please tell him, that edubuntu is not a "nieschenprodukt" [08:00] \sh, +1 [08:00] hehe [08:00] <\sh> ogra: or we have to sit someday and buy a HP laser dvd recorder with printing function.. [08:01] <\sh> ogra: or let it make 5 eur where 4 euros will be donated [08:01] ogra, a cd design would be nice, so we can burn them and label them [08:01] I'm dist-upgrade, do you know a mirror list to configure sources.list? [08:01] juliux, there is a CD cover alread [08:01] y [08:01] ogra, in the wiki? [08:02] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip [08:02] but we didnt work out the text yet [08:04] when my byttery finished my ibook went to sleep... and never wake up :( === jelkner [n=jelkner@158.59.246.169] has joined #edubuntu [08:04] byttery/battery [08:04] ogra: oliver, you here? [08:04] <\sh> gand: this is more #ubuntu or #ubuntu-laptop :) [08:04] jelkner, nope... :) i'm in montreal [08:04] lol cool! [08:05] i'll be joining you next week [08:05] there's an ubuntu-laptop? [08:05] yup :) [08:05] that's what i wanted to talk about [08:05] <\sh> highvoltage: yeah [08:05] is there anything i need to put on the website before then? [08:06] do you feel anything is missing ? then add it [08:06] thank, I need only upgrade mirror list, not speaking about laptop, sorry [08:06] well, there is a lot missing, we will be doing the spec for dapper next week [08:06] i think we can do it in 3 days [08:06] <\sh> jelkner: convince JaneW that she is baking another 10 edubuntu cakes before ubuntu love day ;) [08:07] jelkner, was this spec added to the speclist last week ? [08:07] JaneW: we *really* need the cakes! [08:07] i don't know? === jelkner goes off to search for the spec list... [08:08] jelkner, if you didnt add it it might not be there and thus might not be scheduled [08:08] <\sh> JaneW: *withgreyblueeyeslookingatyou* please bake some cakes...I heard, that the kitchen in a holliday inn is quite good ,-) [08:08] A n adununtu question, a collegue ask me if edubuntu is for 6/10 or 10/14 or over 14 years old students? [08:08] JaneW: that "*withgreyblueeyeslookingatyou*", does that ever work? [08:09] sorry, meant to ask \sh :) [08:09] but JaneW asked me to do it [08:09] jelkner, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs [08:09] <\sh> highvoltage: sometimes... [08:09] i also see: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/DapperGoals [08:09] <\sh> highvoltage: my greyblueeyes are underlined by my blue glasses ,-) [08:10] jelkner, thats not relevant for the conf schedule [08:11] ok [08:11] it will be totally built aournd the speclist [08:11] i see your posting: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-use-management [08:11] so i'm not really clear on what to do [08:12] a down under we created a single spec for edubuntu [08:12] do we want to do that again? [08:12] that one is merged with the ubuntu spec [08:12] (the launchpad spec) [08:12] or is it far enough along now that we need seperate specs for different things? [08:13] how will we proceed with things like: [08:13] 1. local devices [08:13] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/network-authentication [08:13] thats adreesed already [08:13] sound too? [08:13] where? [08:13] i'm struggling a bit with sound stuff, since i refuse to use esd or nas [08:13] its on the list [08:14] i'm the drafter, but sabdfl and mdz want the ltsp guys to lead the BOFs [08:15] so what should i be doing? [08:16] i see content filtering is there too, very important! [08:16] dropped... mdz doesnt want me to work on it ... i'll have to talk to him about it [08:17] ouch! [08:17] hi guys [08:17] i'll talk to him too [08:17] <\sh> hey JaneW [08:17] edubuntu won't fly without it [08:17] he thinks setting up squid for transparent proxying by default is to dangerous/intrusive on the package [08:17] can't chat now, but if you want stuff scheduled get the spec registered on Launchpad asap [08:17] they are going through the list right now and rejecting or approving them for discussion at UBZ === RaoulDuke is now known as vincenzio [08:17] jelkner, what we will provide wont be better than a cheapo dsl route with content filter... [08:17] *router [08:18] do cheapo routers do that now? [08:18] both that i have at home provite a blacklist based filter ... [08:19] most do that [08:19] <\sh> we need some good stuff for ubuntu-server which makes it easy to set up a firewall..(firewall == concept of securing a network) [08:19] but its still hard to administer [08:19] run dan's guardian or something similar? [08:19] just a blacklist [08:19] it is state law in most us schools that you *have* to filter [08:19] <\sh> packetfilter, url filter, application filter [08:19] with pattern matching... [08:20] ok, i'll be setting that up for the mt rainier library [08:20] mdz doesnt want me to cripple the available squid package, so lets see what w can work out ... i think making trasparent proxy a debconf option on package install shouldnt be to hard [08:21] but as long as he disagrees, i wont gain any ground there [08:21] ok, i'll wait until next week to talk to you more about that [08:21] <\sh> ogra: squid improved in filtering urls? or filtering active-x crap or java applet crap? [08:21] without filtering, the system isn't usable in most places we want to use it [08:22] \sh, squid+squidguard+a simple balcklist package you can regulary update [08:22] so even if it is a technical marvel, it won't get anywhere [08:22] only a url filter with regex pattern matching [08:22] anyway, what do you want me to do? [08:22] probably + a gui for editing the blacklists [08:23] i have my own itches to scratch (edubuntu for CS education), but beyond that, i'm at your disposal [08:23] jelkner, give us the necessary input from the field :) [08:23] certainly [08:26] we rely on your experience ... [08:26] add the specs to the list you find missing asap... [08:27] so JaneW can fight for tem :) [08:27] *them [08:33] where do i look for the current list? (pardon slow response times, i'm in class ;-) [08:34] i can think of two things that are probably not there: [08:34] 1. python teaching tools [08:34] 2. java teaching tools [08:34] 1 is particularly important [08:35] the current debian wxpython has some serious bugs [08:35] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec [08:35] 2.4 should be fine ... === jelkner goes off to look... [08:36] wxpython 2.4 or 2.6? [08:36] 2.6 [08:36] note that we didnt want to talk aboput app selection for edubuntu at UBZ, we'll (hopefully) have a edubuntu summit again dedicated to app selection [08:36] there are 186 specs [08:36] in no particular order [08:37] app selection ate too much time at the last summit.... [08:37] jelkner: reproducible in Breezy's/Dapper's wxpython 2.6? [08:38] crimsun: yes, it is a mouse bug [08:38] pretty anoying [08:38] annoying [08:38] the mouse cursor locks up [08:38] BTS #? [08:38] BTS? [08:39] jelkner, bugzilla number [08:39] if gcc-4.0 has finished building, we can probably upload a fix [08:39] oh, well the problem is that i wasn't sure where the bug was located [08:39] i first saw it in gvr [08:39] and we reported a gvr bug [08:39] then i saw it in spe and drpython [08:39] jelkner, youre not supposed to fix it, just report it ;) [08:40] i understand, i did report it [08:40] but on the wrong package [08:41] i'm about to start teaching python [08:42] i don't know what development environment to use [08:42] aside from being a personal issue for me, i think it is actually an important long term issue for ubuntu/edubuntu [08:42] if we want to really grow the community in the long run [08:43] we need to provide young folks with the tools to begin learning software development [08:43] python is almost there... [08:43] do you have a bugzilla/malone #? [08:43] <\sh> jelkner: if you are brave...use eric as python ide...it's the best I know..but I'm the one who is somehow responsible for the pyQT/pyKDE stuff behind it ;) [08:44] <\sh> jelkner: but it's qt/kde stuff :( [08:44] \sh: i tend to favor either spe or drpython [08:44] because i'm a gnome user, and what i'm really looking for is good pythoncard and pygame integration [08:44] spe looks the most promissing [08:44] <\sh> jelkner: spe? this is the pywxgtk stuff which doko brought in during breezy... [08:45] <\sh> Von: Matthias Klose [08:45] <\sh> Antwort an: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com [08:45] <\sh> An: breezy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com [08:45] <\sh> Betreff: Accepted spe 0.7.5c-1 (source) [08:45] <\sh> yeah it is [08:45] yup [08:46] <\sh> it crashed after 5 mins of testing for me :( [08:46] but edubuntu has all the kde libs installed anyway... shouldnt make probs to use eric [08:46] <\sh> ogra: pyqt/pykde stuff is in main anyways [08:46] <\sh> ogra: and I was upset about it ;) [08:47] in opposite to wxpython [08:47] i'll actually be happy to use whatever you guys tell me to use === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [08:48] my main hope is to use what will eventually become the "edubuntu default" [08:48] <\sh> jelkner: check eric...really...it's a real mature IDE for python and it has a good help system..you can include everything u want [08:48] jelkner, i'd be happy to include *one* IDE based on your expertise [08:48] ok, i need to run now.. [08:49] we will down load eric and check it out [08:49] <\sh> jelkner: when are u coming to ubz? [08:49] \sh, yes he is [08:49] next week afaik [08:49] <\sh> ogra: so from monday? [08:50] \sh tuesday evening [08:50] i get in at 6:10 pm [08:50] on tuesday [08:50] and i'm there until sunday [08:50] <\sh> jelkner: wonderful :) so we have a lot to discuss [08:50] \sh what is your name? [08:50] <\sh> jelkner: StephanHermann [08:51] <\sh> jelkner: ogra will introduce ;) [08:51] sure :) [08:51] excellent, Stephan, I'm looking forward to meeting you [08:51] \sh, jelkner is the guy who will be together with the huge massive and loud guy with the cowboy hat :) [08:52] (assuming flint comes) [08:52] he will be there first [08:52] ah, k [08:52] <\sh> ogra: I wonder if I should wear my red hat fedora to be recognized ;) === LincTeK [n=Brent@69-212-232-195.ded.ameritech.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:52] hopefully you can rope him in before i get there [08:52] good luck! [08:52] lol [08:52] <\sh> jelkner: see u in montreal :) [08:53] jelkner, its not a rodeo :) [08:53] only a conferece :) [08:54] going smoking [08:55] <\sh> ogra: the human being is allowed to smoke in public in montreal? [09:05] \sh, sure [09:05] my taxi driver gave me a cigarette while he drove me here from the airport :) [09:06] how was the flight, ogra? [09:06] terrible ... tubulences all over ... [09:07] i guess we flew over the remainings of katie ... [09:07] lol [09:07] ogra: but we haven't moved to launchpad yet ;) [09:08] ogra: ouch, sorry to hear [09:08] i survived :) === meduxa [n=ejercici@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:11] thank bye === gand [n=gand@62-101-126-208.ip.fastwebnet.it] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === meduxa [n=ejercici@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #edubuntu ["Kopete] === pitux [n=pitux@70-180-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [10:29] hello [10:35] <\sh> oh mann [10:36] <\sh> sry [10:36] <\sh> ogra: u plan to attend the essen linux tag? [10:36] \sh, i think so [10:37] <\sh> ogra: cool...joining u...I promised it [10:37] <\sh> "Take A Photo With A MOTU" === \sh is now known as \sh_away === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-196-38-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:50] hi [10:50] I'm a kubuntu user and I want to install edubuntu with apt-get, what must I do? === weasl77 [n=weasl77@bigstick.force9.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [10:52] or what repositories do I have to have for install it? [10:55] can someone help me!!!???!!! [10:55] aptitude install edubuntu-desktop [10:56] search in your synpatic with the string "edubuntu" [10:58] good idea [10:58] :P [10:58] ;D [10:59] does edubuntu have a live CD for use in classrooms for example? [11:00] only an install disk as far as I know [11:00] ok [11:00] :S [11:00] (it would be an ideal answer):-, [11:02] pitux, synpatic did not find no thing [11:02] ummmmmm [11:03] Use the breezy version? [11:03] sorry my english no is good [11:04] pitux, what's your native language? [11:07] spanish [11:08] en ese caso tampoco tenemos problemas === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [11:09] no uso breezy [11:10] did you apt-get update? [11:10] yes I did this before try installing edubuntu-desktop [11:11] edubuntu is only in breezy [11:11] why? [11:11] edubuntu is not in hoary [11:11] ... [11:11] [11:11] that problem! [11:12] Lord_Athur, answer my messages privates please [11:12] can I change my sistem from hoary to freezy? [11:12] yeah [11:12] is very easy [11:12] change in the sources.list the string hoary for breezy [11:13] next sudo aptitude update [11:13] leasve me see.... [11:13] sudo aptitude dist-upgarde [11:13] more information in the channel #ubuntu-es [11:14] for users in spanish [11:15] bye === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-196-38-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has left #edubuntu ["Abandonando"] === daedalus1 [n=daedalus@80.126.167.231] has joined #edubuntu === daedalus1 [n=daedalus@80.126.167.231] has left #edubuntu [] === weasl77 [n=weasl77@bigstick.force9.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === weasl77 [n=weasl77@bigstick.force9.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu