[02:07] <AndyFitz> g'day again
[02:07] <Tm_T> what's g-day?
[02:07] <AndyFitz> still trying to figure out why qtconfig and scribuscvs don't use the  widgets library paths
[02:07] <Tm_T> ;--P
[02:08] <AndyFitz> Tim_T, its a whole lot easier than saying  good day gentlemen :)
[02:08] <Tm_T> tim?
[02:08] <Tm_T> AndyFitz: an oh, I know ;)
[02:08] <Tm_T> just joking
[02:09] <Tm_T> and oh, tim?
[02:09] <AndyFitz> g'day mrdocs
[02:09] <AndyFitz> oops
[02:09] <AndyFitz> tm 
[02:09] <Tm_T> :p
[02:09] <mrdocs> hehe
[02:10] <AndyFitz> the 'm' glyph has so many vertical lines..   I tricked myself into seeing 5  lines in Tm  and not 4
[02:10] <Tm_T> just call me Tm_T ot tmt or precident or Kekkonen ;)
[02:10] <AndyFitz> Tm_T it is mate :)
[02:11] <Tm_T> president even
[02:11] <Tm_T> anyway, sleep ->
[02:11] <AndyFitz> night
[02:11] <AndyFitz> Riddell, mrdocs and I are trying to sort out a QT bug  that happens with qtconfig and scribus cvs under ubuntu.  Any luck finding out where the issue is ?
[02:12] <mrdocs> Riddell: hi jon
[02:15] <AndyFitz> we may have missed him.   its late at night over there for both you guys
[02:15] <mrdocs> for tomorrow
[02:15] <AndyFitz> ok
[09:55] <_Tonio_> morning
[10:30] <dholbach> hey
[10:30] <dholbach> would some of you guys mind coming over to #ubuntu-bugs too?
[10:30] <dholbach> to tend the kubuntu bug triagists?
[10:48] <Tm_T> hm
[10:50] <AndyFit1> g'day Tm_T
[10:50] <AndyFit1> Riddell ping
[10:53] <Tm_T> hmh, what's with KGuitar & KGuitarTMP
[10:57] <Tm_T> ok, at least KGuitar seems to be the tool for me, I can do music again <3
[10:57] <Tm_T> there's no loss using FOSS ;)
[02:34] <lamont-away> unless someone beats him to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/09/msg00020.html
[02:34] <Tm_T> hm
[02:34] <Tm_T> was there somewhere midi-howto ?
[06:40] <apokryphos> (i) link to amarok 1.3.5 changes (and their site) on the news page? (ii) "What is Kubuntu" title is there twice... might actually be down to me.
[06:40] <apokryphos> (on the FAQ page, that is)
[06:43] <Riddell> apokryphos: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.5.php  ok?
[06:44] <apokryphos> yup, perfect
[06:44] <Riddell> faq.php fixed
[06:44] <Riddell> thanks
[06:48] <pef> Riddell: hello Jonathan
[06:49] <Riddell> hi pef baby
[06:50] <pef> Riddell: can you please upload qtparted ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=794 
[06:51] <Riddell> pef: I triedwhen you last asked but gcc didn't want to install on my chroot so I couldn't test it, I'll try again today
[06:51] <Riddell> keep poking me, it's the right thing to do :)
[06:52] <pef> ok :] 
[06:53] <pef> a question about versions: I have foo-0.6-0ubuntu1, and it needs a rebuild, should I increase version number, or just add build1 ? 0.6-0ubuntu1build1 ?
[06:54] <Riddell> why does it need a rebuild?
[06:54] <pef> Riddell: empty package
[06:55] <Riddell> what was empty?
[06:55] <pef> broken dependency, sorry
[06:55] <pef> malone #3576
[06:55] <Riddell> increase version number is fine, the 0build1 stuff is just for packages from debian that bad to be rebuilt on ubuntu because of gcc change but where there was no changes to the package and we didn't want an -ubuntu version which would stop auto-sync
[06:58] <pef> Riddell: malone #3360 for empty package
[06:59] <Riddell> patch for 3576 looks good :)
[07:00] <pef> Riddell: about #3360 if wasn't FTFFS too, and just need a rebuild, how manage revision number ?
[07:00] <pef> Riddell: not very complicated patch ;)
[07:00] <Riddell> if it's got changes in it then it needs a -ubuntu version number
[07:01] <Riddell> it already has an -ubuntu version number by looks of it so just increment that
[07:01] <pef> Riddell: like here ? http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/kzenexplorer/kzenexplorer_0.6-0ubuntu1.debdiff
[07:02] <Riddell> pef: that's all correct yes
[07:02] <\sh> moins
[07:03] <pef> Riddell: thank you !
[07:05] <pef> Riddell: I applied to being a MOTU, do you think you can "support" me at cc meeting ?
[07:07] <Riddell> pef: woo!  yeah
[07:08] <pef> cool :] 
[07:48] <pef> foo-1.5.3-3 isn't packaged yet into Ubuntu, new changelog entry should be 1.5.4-0ubuntu1, right ?
[07:49] <Riddell> pef: I don't understand
[07:49] <Riddell> if uptream is 1.5.3 and there's no debian call it 1.5.3-0ubuntu1
[07:50] <pef> Riddell: this is this package http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/c/checkinstall/checkinstall_1.5.3-3/changelog
[07:51] <Riddell> and what are you asking?
[07:52] <pef> what the new changelog version entry should be
[07:52] <Riddell> what are you doing to it?
[07:53] <Riddell> pef: oh kcheckgmail got into dapper I saw
[07:53] <Riddell> via debian, with your changes
[07:53] <pef> nice :)
[07:53] <pef> Riddell: adding make to Depends, checkinstall doesn"t work without it (malone #3142)
[07:55] <Riddell> then it should be 1.5.3-3ubuntu1
[07:56] <pef> Riddell: I don't understand the "3" before ubuntu, shouldn't it be a 0, since the package wasn't yet packaged by ubuntu ?
[08:03] <pef> Riddell: such a change is important enough for breezy-updates ?
[08:04] <Riddell> pef: the 3 is the debian number, since that's the number debian uses ubuntu needs to inherit that
[08:05] <Riddell> pef: which change?
[08:05] <Riddell> breezy-updates is very strictly controlled and only minor and serious patches get in
[08:06] <pef> Riddell: adding make to Depends for checkinstall
[08:08] <Riddell> universe.  not sure who controls breezy-updates for universe
[08:09] <\sh> the same people who are in control for main ;)
[08:09] <\sh> mdz that is right now
[08:09] <Riddell> lamont: go ahead, or if you wait a few hours I might well get round to doing it
[08:10] <pef> Riddell: thanks for you patience to answer my lames questions ;)
[08:11] <\sh> hmmm
[08:12] <\sh> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.4-4) qt3-dev-tools (>= 3:3.3.4-4)
[08:12] <\sh> but
[08:12] <\sh> shermann@nc6000-laptop:~/packages/breezy/qscintilla/debian/qscintilla-1.6$ apt-cache madison libqt3-mt-dev
[08:12] <\sh> libqt3-mt-dev | 3:3.3.4-8ubuntu5 | http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
[08:12] <lamont> Riddell: almost done, gonna test build it to make sure it's happy/etc.  you want a bug in bz with the diff?
[08:12] <lamont> arts frees up a few things, and it still leaves kaffeine, knetworkconf, koffice, konversation, ksystemlog for you to do. :-)
[08:12] <\sh> oh I'm doomed...missing a -S
[08:13] <Riddell> lamont: in bz?
[08:13] <Riddell> oh, bugzilla.  sure
[08:13] <lamont> bugzilla.ubuntu.com.. you know..
[08:13] <lamont> oh, and sanekonsole
[08:31] <\sh> qscintilla uploaded :(
[08:33] <Riddell> \sh: why is that bad?
[08:34] <\sh> Riddell: because it belongs to my "toolchain" of python-qt stuff, means, I untightend one build-dep and uploaded it as ubuntu version with purpose
[08:35] <pef> bye all :)
[08:35] <Riddell> \sh: but you uploaded it
[08:36] <\sh> Riddell: yeah...I need it for python-qt3 
[08:36] <Riddell> \sh: so you're saabout your upload?
[08:36] <Riddell> \sh: so you're sad about your upload?
[08:37] <\sh> Riddell: yes..because the whole python-qt situation is a bit "strange"...as long as pyQT upstream doesn't follow simple rules like "documenting your work" :(
[08:38] <Sime> support for qscintilla has to be built with PyQt. annoying.
[08:39] <\sh> Sime: that's why I made a "stupid" change to "debian/control" to have a ubuntuX version...which p*sses me off somehow
[08:39] <Sime> what do you mean by 'stupid'?
[08:40] <\sh> Sime: removing a tightend build-dep...
[08:40] <Sime> oh
[08:40] <\sh> Sime: this is what I name " 'stupid' change"
[08:41] <\sh> but it's with a purpose
[08:43] <\sh> but I'm happy to see "eric" in dapper again ;)
[08:50] <Sime> cool, are there any big additions planned for dapper? (apart from 3.5)
[08:54] <\sh> Sime: I hope we can get a working qt4 implementation of pyqt at least for universe..
[08:55] <Sime> \sh: I'm don't know how useful it will be in 6 months.
[08:57] <\sh> Sime: thinking about kde4, we need to have a working version...if not, we have to remove some stuff from kubuntu main which is not nice :(
[08:59] <Sime> \sh: errr... there won't be a KDE4 in 6 months though
[09:01] <\sh> Sime: but after 7 months we will work on it...so it should be qt4 ready (the python stuff)