kiko | hmmm | 12:04 |
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kiko | where are our gina-logs? | 12:04 |
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gneuman | kiko | 12:39 |
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kiko | fala gneuman, matsubara | 12:42 |
matsubara | fala kiko! | 12:42 |
matsubara | como esto as coisas por a? | 12:42 |
kiko | tudo certo | 12:42 |
gneuman | kiko, mudar as urls quebradsa facil? | 12:44 |
gneuman | i mean fix the url for productrelease | 12:45 |
kiko | sorry? | 12:45 |
gneuman | is ti easy to fiz the url's for productrelease? | 12:46 |
gneuman | rihgt now they are productname/productrelease | 12:47 |
gneuman | they should be product/productseries/productrelease | 12:47 |
kiko | gneuman, has anyone confirmed that they should be changed? | 12:49 |
kiko | it shouldn't be difficult, no | 12:49 |
kiko | just change the navigation | 12:49 |
gneuman | bug 2895 | 12:50 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug #2895: Releases with the same directory name causes an error Fix req. for: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Diogo Matsubara, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2895 | 12:50 |
gneuman | where can i find it in the source? | 12:50 |
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matsubara | does anybody know where can I find the file for constants on launchpad? Like the one that defines numbers for emailaddress.STATUS? I need the constants for rcstypes | 01:33 |
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ddaa | matsubara: dbschema.py? | 01:35 |
matsubara | thank you ddaa. | 01:37 |
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dilys | Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial] add minor features to spec system (patch-2733: mark.shuttleworth@canonical.com) | 06:50 |
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sivang | good morning all | 08:52 |
ajmitch | hello sivang | 08:55 |
jordi | mpt and sivang are sooo jealous of my karma | 09:07 |
mdke | heh | 09:07 |
mdke | we all are | 09:07 |
mdke | that's why we have lower karma | 09:07 |
mdke | LP feels our jealousy | 09:07 |
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sivang | jordi: oh man, you won't believe how much :-) | 09:19 |
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dilys | Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=spiv] LibrarianGarbageCollection client API (patch-2734: stuart.bishop@canonical.com) | 09:29 |
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jordi | carlos: can you reply to the VLC in rosetta? It's about automatic syncing to SVN | 10:33 |
dilys | Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--production--1.38: [trivial] Cherry picks (patch-4: christian.reis@canonical.com, stuart.bishop@canonical.com, rocketfuel@canonical.com ...) | 10:37 |
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carlos | zyga, no know date yet | 10:54 |
carlos | zyga, but I suppose it will happen after UBZ | 10:54 |
carlos | jordi, sure | 10:54 |
sivang | hey ajmitch , just now noticed you greeted me :) | 10:56 |
zyga | carlos: okay thanks | 10:56 |
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Belutz | can i use gtranslator to translate then upload the .po file to rosetta? | 11:15 |
zyga | Belutz: be careful | 11:17 |
zyga | Belutz: gtranslator has unfixed bug that corrupts some messages | 11:18 |
zyga | Belutz: header is almos always broken because of incorrect handling of multiline messages | 11:18 |
Belutz | so, is there any other way to translate offline ? | 11:19 |
zyga | Belutz: sure, other programs or plain gedit/vim | 11:19 |
zyga | Belutz: kbabelfish works if you like kde | 11:19 |
Belutz | oh i could use gedit? ok :-) | 11:20 |
zyga | Belutz: I was trying to fix gedit but it had gotten pretty ugly quckly | 11:22 |
zyga | I had to rewrite the whole parser | 11:22 |
zyga | s/gedit/gtranslator/ | 11:22 |
zyga | but I've heard that next gtranslator version are using other parsers and work great | 11:22 |
Belutz | that would be great :) | 11:23 |
mdke | poedit is good | 11:23 |
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mdke | or gedit :) | 11:23 |
Belutz | should i fill this field Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: in the po file? | 11:23 |
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zyga | it's way more advanced | 11:24 |
mdke | anyhow this is not really a translation support chan | 11:25 |
zyga | mdke: is there any? | 11:25 |
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mdke | doesn't look like it | 11:26 |
mdke | #i18n on irc.gimp.net i guess | 11:27 |
carlos | zyga, gtranslator was using the parser from gettext not sure if they did a stable release with that parser already... | 11:37 |
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zyga | carlos: the bug persists in breezy so I guess not | 11:42 |
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koke | the HTML code for the "Someone should review this translation" checkbox is | 12:04 |
koke | <input type="checkbox" value="fuzzy" name="set_626541_fuzzy_es" tabindex:="2" /> | 12:04 |
koke | the tabindex:= is a bug, hack, or what?? | 12:05 |
Kinnison | the : sounds like a bug | 12:05 |
jordi | nice catch koke :) | 12:06 |
jordi | koke: are you in .ca alreadY? | 12:06 |
koke | jordi: no, I land Saturday at ~19:00 | 12:07 |
jordi | k | 12:09 |
jordi | I'll be there on Tue | 12:09 |
sivang | hey Kinnison | 12:20 |
Kinnison | hi sivan | 12:21 |
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jblack | I've heard of a few people already traveling. Is there a launchpad meeting this week? | 12:51 |
Kinnison | no | 12:51 |
Kinnison | see /topic | 12:51 |
jblack | awesome | 12:51 |
Kinnison | so easily pleased | 12:51 |
jblack | Now that you mention it, I was rarely disapointed at christmas | 12:52 |
jblack | well, except for that year that I received sea monkeys... | 12:53 |
Kinnison | sea monkeys were great fun | 12:53 |
jblack | Not when you're eight years old and wake up at 4 am. | 12:53 |
Kinnison | but then again, I was part of a team writing a game called sea monkeys | 12:53 |
jblack | Throw a bunch of magic pets into tap water, wait five minutes... _flush_ | 12:53 |
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Kinnison | they actually grow quite big if you let 'em | 12:54 |
Kinnison | eat each other | 12:54 |
Kinnison | So what happened to the great bzr switchover of doom? | 12:55 |
jblack | Yeah. I got some for my daughter when she turned ten. Unlike me, she actually read the directions. She didn't notice any sort of cannibalism. | 12:55 |
Kinnison | she didn't leave them without food for days then, did she? | 12:55 |
jblack | Her? Nah. She's Mrs. Responsibility. | 12:55 |
Nafallo | oh! | 12:55 |
Nafallo | rabbit | 12:55 |
Nafallo | brb | 12:55 |
Kinnison | jblack: *g* | 12:55 |
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jblack | She actually devised a plan for her hermit crab for the ten days I'll be away. For a hermit crab. | 12:56 |
Kinnison | hey, given your skitty brain she's probably making up for you :-) | 12:56 |
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jblack | Oh, she's a livesaver. Best money I ever spent. | 12:57 |
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Kinnison | stub: gina, on staging, what's the dealio? | 12:57 |
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stub | I did a code update about an hour or two ago and started a fresh run. | 12:58 |
jblack | Oh, to answer your baz-ng question, we got close. really close. | 12:58 |
jblack | Everyone is going to be happy, methinks. | 12:58 |
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Kinnison | stub: she just appears to have stopped, that's all | 12:59 |
Kinnison | stub: but gina.sh is still there | 12:59 |
stub | oh | 12:59 |
Kinnison | oh hang on, is this statistician thing part of it? | 12:59 |
stub | it is rebuilding marks full text indexes. | 12:59 |
stub | yup | 12:59 |
stub | Takes maybe 10 mins | 01:00 |
Kinnison | right | 01:00 |
stub | Or 30... don't really know ;) | 01:00 |
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mpt | Goooooooood morning | 01:01 |
Kinnison | hi mpt | 01:01 |
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Kinnison | stub: right, that rollout.py finished | 01:06 |
Kinnison | stub: now how do I update the db etc? | 01:06 |
zyga | anyone: could someone add #ubuntu-translators to the topic so that translation specific issues could be taken there? | 01:06 |
stub | Kinnison: The usual way? | 01:07 |
stub | Or did you have a leftover script of mine that took care of it? | 01:07 |
Kinnison | stub: I was always doing "make -f Makefile.dogfood" and waiting | 01:08 |
stub | cd launchpad; make; cd database/schema; env LPCONFIG=dogfood python upgrade.py -d launchpad_dogfood -U postgres -H ''; env LPCONFIG=dogfood python fti.py -f launchpad_dogfood -U postgres -H ''; env LPCONFIG=dogfood python security.py -d launchpad_dogfood -U postgres -H '' | 01:08 |
Kinnison | why don't we have an "upgrade" target in the database/schema makefile? | 01:09 |
stub | Kinnison: Ok. there are rules in there - dbupgrade etc. | 01:09 |
stub | Kinnison: Feel free to add one ;) | 01:09 |
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stub | Its your makefile | 01:09 |
Kinnison | what? database/schema/Makefile ? | 01:09 |
stub | Oh... erm. Sure. | 01:10 |
stub | I didn't read the path - thought you meant Makefile.dogfood | 01:10 |
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matsubara | good morning! | 01:10 |
mpt | jbailey: ping | 01:12 |
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koke | https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-drivers <-- 'There are 5 direct members of the "Ubuntu Drivers" team.' but the list has only four items | 01:29 |
koke | weird | 01:29 |
Nafallo | koke: 4 members and 1 team? | 01:32 |
salgado | koke, that's because one of the members is another team. but yes, that team should be listed as one of the direct members too | 01:32 |
koke | I know, the Ubuntu Technical Board is just below | 01:32 |
koke | but in another section | 01:32 |
koke | so the number should be 4 | 01:32 |
Kinnison | For people who care, dogfood should be back running now | 01:33 |
mpt | "When I first came up with the idea of Launchpad Pro, I had no idea how tough it would be to market a new product in the highly competitive golf aid market." | 01:35 |
mpt | hmmm, / Overview \/ Bugs \/ Support \/ Bounties \/ Specifications \/ Translations \/ Calendar \/ Golf \ | 01:36 |
Kinnison | launchpad-golf -- getting to the information you want in the fewest possible keystrokes/clicks | 01:39 |
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koke | Kinnison: great title for a LaunchpadUsability BOF :) | 01:42 |
Kinnison | jblack: so when do we do the transfer of launchpad--* ? | 01:42 |
Kinnison | koke: true :-) | 01:42 |
Kinnison | hey cprov | 01:42 |
cprov | Kinnison: hey | 01:42 |
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lifeless | Kinnison: ? | 01:48 |
Kinnison | lifeless: I mean, everything but launchpad--devel--0 appears to be in bzr now | 01:49 |
Kinnison | lifeless: so when do we switch to launchpad itself being in bzr? | 01:49 |
lifeless | today I hope | 01:49 |
lifeless | we'll see what the agenda is after breakfast | 01:49 |
lifeless | you should convert your branches in prparation | 01:50 |
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lifeless | well | 01:51 |
lifeless | I'd like them converted nayway | 01:51 |
lifeless | so that we can get good annotate results etc | 01:51 |
Kinnison | urgh | 01:52 |
Kinnison | last time I tried it crashed | 01:52 |
Kinnison | but okay | 01:52 |
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sivang | Kinnison: what does cunningly mean? | 01:52 |
lifeless | review teh rfs page | 01:52 |
sivang | (rehi all montreal based launchpadders :- ) | 01:52 |
lifeless | its got history reuse now which makes it a hellof a lot faster | 01:52 |
mpt | Does that mean I'll have to set up my baz archive on my clean Breezy install? | 01:52 |
mpt | narf. | 01:52 |
lifeless | mpno | 01:52 |
lifeless | mpt: no. conversion is done on chinstrap | 01:53 |
mpt | ok | 01:53 |
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stub | lifeless: Conversion still takes days (possibly weeks - I think spiv finished his so he might know) | 01:59 |
zyga | carlos: ping | 02:01 |
carlos | zyga, pong | 02:01 |
zyga | carlos: sorry for bothering you but no-one seems to respond | 02:01 |
zyga | carlos: I've set up #ubuntu-translators | 02:01 |
zyga | for translation specific issues | 02:01 |
zyga | coul you add a short note about that to the topic? | 02:01 |
carlos | sure | 02:02 |
zyga | thanks :-) | 02:02 |
sivang | mpt: regarding the description editing in malone, I tried to edit the description - but it copied the previous description as a new comment, and refreshed the current description. Is this really needed? e.g., when I'm editing the bug description I don't expect the previous one to become a "comment" | 02:02 |
=== ..[topic/#launchpad:carlos] : Discussion with Launchpad users and developers. || https://launchpad.net/ || Includes Rosetta and Malone. || http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ || Next developers' meeting is UBZ || Please, use #ubuntu-translators for any question about translations not related directly with Rosetta | ||
carlos | zyga, something like this? | 02:04 |
mpt | sivang: That only happens for the original description, so that it's preserved for posterity | 02:04 |
mpt | sivang: That original description should be collapsed by default once BugHistory and KeepingBugsConcise are implemented. | 02:05 |
Kinnison | lifeless: am I meant to register all the baz archives? | 02:05 |
Kinnison | lifeless: I get: | 02:05 |
Kinnison | * error report | 02:05 |
Kinnison | could not connect to archive 'brad.bollenbach@canonical.com/launchpad--filebug-labels-fix--0--base-0' | 02:05 |
Kinnison | when importing my archive | 02:05 |
zyga | carlos: perfect! | 02:05 |
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spiv | stub, lifeless: yeah, my conversion finished finally: | 02:09 |
spiv | real 3236m29.739s | 02:09 |
spiv | user 783m30.834s | 02:09 |
spiv | sys 1125m34.974s | 02:09 |
mpt | over two days | 02:12 |
mpt | Hmm, I'll leave that running over the weekend :-) | 02:12 |
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ddaa | Kinnison: unregister brad's archive | 02:21 |
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ddaa | I know how we could avoid that problem, but there's some disagreement with lifeless about the proper semantics of conversion. | 02:22 |
_philipp | Hello, I need some help.. I did not only forget my password for launchpad, I even forgot my registration E-Mail adress... :-( | 02:23 |
_philipp | Its very stupid but it can happen because I have a catch-all e-mail on my domain | 02:23 |
_philipp | Can i find out what the adress is? I am definetely the only one with an e-mail @creatu.de | 02:24 |
_philipp | So, who could help me? | 02:24 |
mdke | did you try a search at https://launchpad.net/people | 02:25 |
_philipp | i will try | 02:25 |
mdke | https://launchpad.net/people/launchpad-net-creatu | 02:25 |
_philipp | I found | 02:25 |
_philipp | thanks | 02:25 |
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mdke | _philipp, that might not help you thought I guess, if you can't login | 02:27 |
_philipp | yes, i just found out the same.s | 02:27 |
mdke | hang around and wait and see if a LP maintainer is around | 02:28 |
_philipp | Now i found my user on launchpad, but I still dont know the mail adress | 02:28 |
_philipp | How do I recognize them? | 02:28 |
stub | Erm... I got that error and the solution was to *register* brads archive, not *unregister* it. | 02:28 |
spiv | _philipp: launchpad.net@... | 02:29 |
ddaa | stub: mh... maybe, right | 02:32 |
_philipp | thanks a lot! | 02:32 |
ddaa | I modified by baz2bzr so I need not to import the whole universe just to get a branch in. | 02:33 |
ddaa | Mh... no, I'm sure there's some support in lifeless' one for partial imports... | 02:33 |
WaterSevenUb | hey... where is the Rosetta wishlist such that I can add some items? | 02:33 |
WaterSevenUb | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RosettaWishList this? | 02:34 |
mdke | yes | 02:35 |
mdke | hey there spiv | 02:35 |
mdke | spiv, would your user.py hack work on moin version 1.3.5 do you know? | 02:36 |
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_philipp | exit | 02:48 |
_philipp | /exit | 02:48 |
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Kinnison | ddaa: unregister? | 02:51 |
Kinnison | ddaa: I only have mine and rocketfuel registered | 02:52 |
ddaa | hu... | 02:52 |
ddaa | Well... annoy lifeless then. | 02:52 |
ddaa | I could fix your problem with my branch | 02:52 |
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Kinnison | All my baz branches are merged | 02:52 |
ddaa | but lifeless and I do not agree on what is a "valid" import | 02:53 |
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Kinnison | assuming bzr happens in the next 48 hours or so | 02:53 |
lifeless | ddaa: please do not say 'unregister' | 02:54 |
ddaa | okay | 02:54 |
lifeless | ddaa: you have misdiagnosed | 02:54 |
lifeless | Kinnison: you need to register brads archive | 02:54 |
lifeless | Kinnison: his patch log in your branch is corrupt | 02:54 |
Kinnison | lifeless: Oh okay | 02:55 |
lifeless | Kinnison: and baz-import is trying to get it via the archive. | 02:55 |
Kinnison | lifeless: is this common? | 02:55 |
lifeless | Kinnison: its the one that was corrupted by stub | 02:55 |
Kinnison | Right | 02:55 |
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lifeless | stub: ping | 02:57 |
jbailey | mpt: pong | 02:57 |
fabbione | hey jbailey | 02:57 |
fabbione | jbailey: i will be relatively soon on the way to your place | 02:58 |
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jbailey | fabbione: Cool. Angie's left for the day already, I've just showered. | 02:58 |
mfuentes | Hi | 02:58 |
jbailey | doko hasn't yet arrived, but I expect him soonish (In the next 15 minutes) | 02:58 |
jbailey | fabbione: You have breakfast at the hotel, yes? Or do I need to feed you? | 02:59 |
mfuentes | I'm confused :\... I send a full traduction for an application to the Launchpad, but after of 4 days it's not accepted :\ | 03:00 |
fabbione | jbailey: i already had breakfast thanks :) | 03:00 |
mfuentes | %s/traduction/translation :) | 03:00 |
Kinnison | mfuentes: it's possible some people only do stuff on the weekends | 03:01 |
Kinnison | mfuentes: Or are busy/travelling/whatever | 03:01 |
Kinnison | mfuentes: I'm sure they'll be very grateful for your efforts, once they get to them :-) | 03:01 |
mfuentes | Kinnison, Ok, | 03:01 |
Kinnison | mfuentes: But in case they're not too vocal about it. Thank you for your effort :-) | 03:02 |
Kinnison | One day I may need to rely on rosetta to translate an app for me, so I'm very pleased with everyone who does it already | 03:02 |
mfuentes | How I do to manage the es_CL translation for SchoolTool? | 03:03 |
Kinnison | I'm afraid I don't know | 03:04 |
Kinnison | jordi: are you around to help mfuentes ? | 03:04 |
mfuentes | I complete the es and es_CL translations because two public School in my City have planned try SchoolTool, by this reason I want to administer it. | 03:11 |
mpt | jbailey: I asked you in the bug report instead | 03:13 |
jbailey | mpt: Cool. Replied alrady. | 03:14 |
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salgado | stub, still around? | 03:20 |
stub | Yo | 03:23 |
stub | lifeless: ping | 03:23 |
lifeless | stub: yay | 03:23 |
lifeless | mark wants to rollout something | 03:23 |
stub | Did you try calling twice btw? | 03:23 |
lifeless | and I want to rollout bzr | 03:23 |
lifeless | yes, 4 times actually, but bangkoks phone system seems fragile | 03:23 |
Kinnison | god this takes ages | 03:23 |
Kinnison | it's still sat pondering the same branch it was pondering when it crashed out before | 03:24 |
stub | Hmm... ta. I'm expecting a call but it sounds like it might have gotten lost :-( | 03:24 |
lifeless | Kinnison: yes, its unflattenting the graph | 03:24 |
lifeless | Kinnison: it has 15K patch logs to process | 03:24 |
Kinnison | picking it up by its cojones and shaking hard? | 03:24 |
SteveA | Kinnison: baz or bzr or something else? | 03:24 |
Kinnison | SteveA: bzr's from-baz conversion | 03:24 |
Kinnison | SteveA: did you ask jbailey for a RHPS ticket? | 03:24 |
SteveA | RHPS? | 03:25 |
Kinnison | rocky horror | 03:25 |
SteveA | no, didn't know it was on | 03:25 |
lifeless | stub: so, mark wants to get HEAD out to production | 03:25 |
SteveA | and i didn't bring any fetish clothing ;-) | 03:25 |
stub | Now? I thought he wanted a rollout Sunday? | 03:26 |
lifeless | stub: 'my top priority today' | 03:26 |
lifeless | stub: 'is lp rollout and then convert to bzr for lp' | 03:26 |
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stub | ok | 03:27 |
lifeless | stub: so - do you want to do the rollout, or for me to practice my rusty skills ? :) | 03:29 |
stub | I can do it unless you have a pressing need to test the updated db and code rollout docs | 03:29 |
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lifeless | do you want to try a bzr based rollout ? | 03:30 |
lifeless | i.e. I can switch to bzr now, and then we rllout that ? | 03:30 |
stub | lifeless: I was just going to baz switch this one | 03:32 |
stub | lifeless: I can test out rollout procedures at my leasure on staging then | 03:32 |
lifeless | stub: ok | 03:32 |
Kinnison | lifeless: so it's time? | 03:32 |
lifeless | Kinnison: today yes. | 03:33 |
Kinnison | rock on | 03:33 |
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Kinnison | bzr is so much fun | 03:33 |
lifeless | stub: I'll convert HEAD to bzr now then, as you dont need to rollout HEAD | 03:33 |
stub | erm.. that is exactly what I was rolling out? | 03:34 |
lifeless | HEAD | 03:34 |
lifeless | but you tag/branch/merge from HEAD | 03:35 |
lifeless | you dont need to commit TO HEAD | 03:35 |
stub | ok ;) | 03:35 |
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lifeless | mpt: you've missed it | 03:36 |
salgado | stub, is it possible to add some extra changesets to this rollout? | 03:37 |
mpt | meh | 03:37 |
stub | salgado: No. Its already in progress and you won't be able to land if robert is playing with bzr. | 03:37 |
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lifeless | stub: what are you rolling out? 1.39 or a patch to 1.38 ? | 03:43 |
Kinnison | can we stop jamesh's pending-reviews stuff while we do this? | 03:44 |
stub | I was just going to rollout --devel--patch-2733 (patch-2734 can't be rolled out without also doing the Librarian) | 03:44 |
Kinnison | it'll free up a whole lot of chinstrap's IO bandwidth? | 03:44 |
lifeless | stub: I mean as in 'what is the output branch' ? | 03:45 |
stub | --devel--patch-2733 | 03:45 |
lifeless | stub: ah, so not even a branch/tag of it ? | 03:46 |
jbailey | mpt: Ah thanks. | 03:46 |
jbailey | The message I got where mpt marked a bug as a dup didn't come back as a reply to the previous one. I wonder if correct behaviour is for that to show up as a reply to my message? | 03:46 |
stub | lifeless: I can send a tag later. | 03:46 |
lifeless | stub: sure. but what do you want it to be ? | 03:47 |
lifeless | stub: I cleaned up all th epermissions in anticipation | 03:47 |
stub | 1.38 is fine. I'll tag on that branch | 03:47 |
jamesh | Kinnison: I've disabled the cronjob. Do you want me to kill the currently running job? | 03:47 |
lifeless | stub: 1.38 exists already.. so this is a second tag on the branch? (Just to be sure we are clear) | 03:47 |
stub | lifeless: yes | 03:48 |
lifeless | ok | 03:48 |
Kinnison | jamesh: if it's nearly finished, leave it, otherwise I'd suggest we free up as much of chinstrap's IO for bzr conversions as possible | 03:48 |
jamesh | Kinnison: looks like it is close to the start | 03:49 |
stub | lifeless: tag request sent | 03:49 |
jbailey | Ooo. LP returns the right response code when it's down: 503 Service Unavailable | 03:49 |
jamesh | Kinnison: stopped | 03:49 |
mpt | jbailey: Don't look too closely at the HTML :-) | 03:50 |
lifeless | BZR IS GO | 03:50 |
Kinnison | lifeless: converted and updated the dists? | 03:50 |
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jbailey | mpt: That sounds like "quick, don't think of elephants!" | 03:52 |
jbailey | mpt: But it is amusing. =) | 03:52 |
lifeless | Kinnison: yes, they were converted last week, and we've been migrating line by line as each thing came across | 03:52 |
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mpt | jbailey: I'm no Lakoff | 03:53 |
lifeless | Kinnison: thats what bzr being go mean s:) | 03:55 |
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lifeless | stub: can you ping when lp is back | 04:01 |
lifeless | thanks :) | 04:01 |
stub | sure | 04:01 |
lifeless | your tag mirrored | 04:05 |
mpt | E: Couldn't find package bzrtools | 04:14 |
ajmitch | mpt: not in breezy, sorry :) | 04:15 |
mpt | right, so it's supposed to be on bazaar.canonical.com | 04:16 |
mpt | but apparently not | 04:16 |
ajmitch | sleep time, flight in the morning | 04:16 |
ajmitch | bye | 04:17 |
mpt | tchau | 04:17 |
mpt | jbailey: are bzrtools supposed to be in http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/ ? | 04:18 |
lifeless | mpt: are you looking at rocketfuelsetup ? | 04:18 |
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lifeless | stub: hows it going ? | 04:19 |
mpt | lifeless: No, at MovingToBazNG | 04:19 |
mpt | er, MoveToBazNG, rather | 04:19 |
stub | lifeless: Indexes rebuilding | 04:19 |
lifeless | mpt: and you updated your sources list ? | 04:20 |
lifeless | mpt: there is a missing step - sudo aptitude update | 04:20 |
lifeless | and then sudo aptitude install bzr bzrtools paramiko python2.4-bazaar | 04:20 |
mpt | I did all that, except with apt-get rather than aptitude | 04:21 |
lifeless | same diff | 04:21 |
Kinnison | lifeless: are jbailey's integration packages enough these days? | 04:21 |
lifeless | should be | 04:22 |
Kinnison | coolio | 04:22 |
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Kinnison | It'd be nice if cm.py gave more output | 04:22 |
Kinnison | it sits there saying nothing for aaaages | 04:22 |
lifeless | yes. | 04:23 |
Kinnison | even the standard bzr progress bars would do | 04:24 |
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Kinnison | also, it sat there for about 20 minutes 'til I realised what was wrong with my commandline | 04:24 |
Kinnison | I.E. I'd missed 'build' | 04:25 |
Kinnison | Is it doing sftp internally (without invoking ssh?) | 04:27 |
SteveA | stub: ping | 04:27 |
lifeless | Kinnison: yes | 04:27 |
stub | SteveA: pong | 04:27 |
SteveA | stub: after the production roll-out, can you please change all of the specs that appear on carlos' own specs page that are on the launchpad product to be targetted to the rosetta product | 04:28 |
stub | What specs appear on that page? I don't know the code. All the specs he is the owner for, or something else? | 04:29 |
SteveA | i asked carlos to assign them to launchpad rather than rosetta, but that was a mistake | 04:29 |
SteveA | yeah, ones where he's the owner | 04:29 |
lifeless | so | 04:29 |
lifeless | now we are on bzr, its easier to do a dumb-zope3-snapshot | 04:29 |
lifeless | do we need a new zope3 ? | 04:29 |
SteveA | not today | 04:30 |
SteveA | but i soon | 04:30 |
SteveA | but soon | 04:30 |
Kinnison | lifeless: cute | 04:30 |
Kinnison | lifeless: does it support all of the .ssh/config stuff? | 04:30 |
Kinnison | lifeless: like proxycommands etc | 04:30 |
lifeless | no | 04:30 |
Kinnison | :-( | 04:30 |
lifeless | we will be moving to a different implementation called conch soonish | 04:31 |
Kinnison | right, does that support it? | 04:31 |
lifeless | well, 'will' = 95% probability | 04:31 |
lifeless | and it supports -more- of it. | 04:31 |
bradb | lifeless: I also get the "E: Couldn't find package bzrtools" problem. Yes, I've got the three extra lines in sources.list. Yes, I apt-get update'd. Running on ppc, in case that matters. | 04:32 |
lifeless | bradb: ah. | 04:32 |
lifeless | jbaileys repo is ix86 only. that will be it. | 04:32 |
lifeless | mpt: you are on mac right ? | 04:32 |
mpt | lifeless: no, x86 | 04:32 |
bradb | i looked though and saw "powerpc" suffixes on some bzrtools | 04:32 |
bradb | in jbailey's repo | 04:32 |
lifeless | mpt: hmm. then you should have it | 04:32 |
lifeless | jbailey: ping | 04:33 |
jbailey | lifeless: pong | 04:35 |
lifeless | jbailey: can you help mpt here ? | 04:36 |
lifeless | jbailey: something funny getting bzrtools from your repo | 04:36 |
mpt | It's working now | 04:37 |
mpt | mysteriously | 04:37 |
bradb | not for me | 04:37 |
jbailey | mpt: I'm wrestling with the scripts. Every morning I wake up, the directory is empty. When I run the scripts by hand, they work correctly. | 04:38 |
bradb | oh, but after an update again it worked | 04:38 |
jbailey | The joy of deleted files on unix being that it's silly hard to tell what deleted it. | 04:38 |
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spayne | what's up with launchpad atm? | 04:38 |
SteveA | spayne: doing a roll-out | 04:39 |
SteveA | of the latest code | 04:39 |
spayne | nice one SteveA | 04:39 |
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elmo | stub: ? | 04:43 |
stub | elmo: ? | 04:43 |
elmo | stub: jamesh needs access to production db, what would be a good machine for that from your POV? | 04:44 |
elmo | stub: also, pg_hba.conf on emperor could do with an update, asuka and hutte are no longer importd machines and belgrano no longer runs roundup | 04:45 |
stub | Why the real db and what level of access? | 04:45 |
elmo | stub: > jameesh, I was thinking maybe macquarie? | 04:45 |
elmo | stub: <points at stevea>, something to do with scheduling, I imagine RO will do, from what he described | 04:46 |
lifeless | elmo: macquarie | 04:46 |
lifeless | stub: for scheduling the conference | 04:46 |
lifeless | stub: definately ro acess | 04:46 |
lifeless | stub: needed tables is probably - specs, sprints, people, calendars | 04:46 |
stub | I'll just let him connect as the ro user | 04:47 |
SteveA | stub: RO is fine | 04:47 |
lifeless | works for me | 04:47 |
elmo | ok, jamesh has an account on macquarie | 04:47 |
lifeless | danke | 04:47 |
SteveA | thanks | 04:48 |
spayne | hey elmo | 04:49 |
bradb | lifeless: sorry, where did you say i can get a tarball of config-manager to build on ppc? | 04:49 |
lifeless | bradb: you can eithe run from source - its python, no building needed - or pull the sid source package/binary package | 04:50 |
lifeless | bradb: specifics for each path after you choose apath :) | 04:50 |
bradb | lifeless: source sounds good | 04:51 |
lifeless | bradb: bzr branch sftp://chisntrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/source/rollouts/config-manager | 04:52 |
stub | launchpad is backup | 04:52 |
stub | jamesh: psql -d launchpad_prod -H emperor -U ro | 04:52 |
stub | erm... -h | 04:53 |
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siretart | launchpad is looking even nicer now! thanks for everyone involved! | 05:01 |
siretart | s/for/to/ | 05:01 |
bradb | lifeless: looks good, thanks | 05:02 |
stub | lifeless: launchpad is back up | 05:05 |
lifeless | k | 05:05 |
lifeless | stub: did you not say that 10 minutes ago ? | 05:05 |
stub | SteveA: changed the specs | 05:05 |
stub | lifeless: yes, but I hadn't pinged you | 05:06 |
lifeless | 00:52 < stub> launchpad is backup | 05:06 |
lifeless | :) | 05:06 |
lifeless | stub: ah, well - thanks :) | 05:06 |
salgado | stub, have you cleaned the membership/participation entries for merged accounts already? | 05:06 |
stub | salgado: yes | 05:07 |
salgado | stub, great. ta | 05:07 |
SteveA | thanks stub | 05:09 |
SteveA | carlos: please check the rosetta specs are as you need them | 05:09 |
carlos | ok | 05:09 |
carlos | SteveA, stub all specs are in place. Thank you ! | 05:10 |
SteveA | thank stub ;-) | 05:11 |
carlos | mpt, https://launchpad.net/projects/launchpad/+specs is still a broken link, I know you detected it, but I don't know if you were fixing it | 05:11 |
mpt | carlos: no, I wasn't | 05:12 |
stub | Bed! | 05:12 |
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carlos | stub, night! | 05:12 |
lifeless | stub: thanks. night | 05:16 |
lifeless | carlos: try | 05:16 |
lifeless | products/launchpad/+specs | 05:17 |
carlos | lifeless, I know about that other URL | 05:18 |
lifeless | carlos: ok | 05:18 |
carlos | lifeless, but we have a broken link to the other one from https://launchpad.net/projects/launchpad | 05:19 |
carlos | lifeless, and the idea is to be able to see all specs related to the project | 05:19 |
lifeless | yah | 05:21 |
lifeless | stub: I think your rsync recipe gets the parent wrong for the rbanch | 05:24 |
lifeless | *branches* | 05:24 |
mpt | lifeless: Will all the baz-specific stuff disappear from RocketFuelSetup shortly? | 05:25 |
lifeless | hahah | 05:25 |
lifeless | dude, refresh :) | 05:25 |
mpt | ahhhhhh | 05:26 |
mpt | thankyou | 05:26 |
mpt | What is "pushing a branch"? | 05:27 |
LarstiQ | lifeless: any reason those apt-get install lines aren't folded into one? | 05:27 |
lifeless | mpt: its archive-mirror, bnut from url to url, not from namespace to the namespaces output locations | 05:27 |
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lifeless | LarstiQ: uhm, history ? | 05:28 |
LarstiQ | lifeless: ah, ok | 05:31 |
Kinnison | lifeless: any word on when we're gonna get faster bzr fetching? | 05:32 |
Kinnison | lifeless: I'm still checking out a launchpad work area | 05:33 |
Kinnison | and I started it > 1h ago | 05:33 |
lifeless | Kinnison: its in the ipeline | 05:33 |
lifeless | Kinnison: there are instructions on MoveToBazNG about doing it faster via rsync | 05:33 |
lifeless | Kinnison: and once you have a tree, you should *never* need to pull a fresh one | 05:33 |
Kinnison | I guess I'll tar this one up for keeps then | 05:34 |
Kinnison | it's mostly latency which hurts us, yes? | 05:36 |
bradb | Kinnison: So, I should expect a feedback message from cm.py after about 20 minutes of it running, right? | 05:36 |
Kinnison | bradb: no | 05:36 |
Kinnison | bradb: expect no feedback | 05:36 |
Kinnison | bradb: none whatsoever | 05:37 |
bradb | :/ | 05:37 |
Kinnison | bradb: well, you get the rant about a logger :-) | 05:37 |
Kinnison | lifeless: PYTHONPATH=~/bzr-integration/integration cm.py build 554.89s user 43.99s system 13% cpu 1:11:34.12 total | 05:37 |
Kinnison | yeesh | 05:37 |
lifeless | Kinnison: latency. | 05:37 |
lifeless | Kinnison: why tar? pull --clobber, or cp -a | 05:38 |
lifeless | pull --clobber to switch branches, and cp -a to make a new checkout of everything locally | 05:38 |
Kinnison | I see | 05:38 |
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lifeless | read the latest rocketfuelsetup page | 05:39 |
Kinnison | which wiki? | 05:39 |
lifeless | there is only one wiki that that is on | 05:39 |
SteveA | i want one place where people can read about what to do | 05:41 |
Kinnison | Oh, the w.c.c is a pointer | 05:41 |
SteveA | this spead over three different pages thing is confusing | 05:41 |
lifeless | SteveA: it used to be one page, pqmsetup was forked out some time back, ad mark suggested specific migrationdoco | 05:41 |
lifeless | SteveA: I agree that it is confusing and we need to make it better | 05:41 |
lifeless | I'm working towards that at the moment. | 05:41 |
SteveA | thanks | 05:42 |
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mpt | hrmmm, debconf crashed while asking me about postfix | 05:45 |
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lifeless | speak of the devil | 05:46 |
lifeless | 01:45 < mpt> hrmmm, debconf crashed while asking me about postfix | 05:46 |
lamont | sounds like a debconf bug. :-) | 05:48 |
mpt | It does indeed | 05:48 |
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mpt | and now "Preconfiguring packages..." is stuck, perhaps waiting for debconf to return | 05:50 |
Kinnison | SteveA: is the sab around? | 06:03 |
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SteveA | Kinnison: yes | 06:08 |
SteveA | Kinnison: very busy though. do you need an answer today? | 06:08 |
Kinnison | SteveA: Well, I want to know if that's what he wanted from the function | 06:08 |
Kinnison | SteveA: so a 10 second read of that nopaste and a "yes" will do nicely | 06:08 |
Kinnison | SteveA: if it's a "no" then I guess it'll take longer, but I think I have everything | 06:08 |
SteveA | ideally, it would wait until saturday. we're doing planning, and in 1.5 hours, he's off on an international trip. | 06:09 |
Kinnison | urgh | 06:12 |
Kinnison | I'll assume the answer is "yes" | 06:12 |
Kinnison | it shouldn't be far wrong | 06:12 |
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matsubara | Does anybody know if it's possible to add radio button widgets to autogenerated forms? I need to do a autogenerated form for ProductSeries +source that has 2 radio buttons, one for each rcstype: cvs and svn. I would like to make them like the shipit Request Details form, but using autogenerated fields. Could somenone help me with that? | 06:19 |
zyga | cool so launchpad is back up | 06:20 |
zyga | is there any way to get my karma back? | 06:20 |
zyga | how can I create a new specification? | 06:22 |
zyga | there is no link in the specs tab | 06:22 |
SteveA | zyga: what karma is that? | 06:23 |
SteveA | zyga: go into a 'context' such as a distro or product and make the spec there | 06:23 |
zyga | SteveA: I had about 4K karma before the great reset | 06:23 |
SteveA | to do with rosetta? | 06:23 |
zyga | yes | 06:23 |
SteveA | hmm... the problem is that the karma data had been totally corrupted | 06:24 |
zyga | :/ | 06:24 |
zyga | cannot my translations be counted again? | 06:24 |
SteveA | so, it just isn't possible to turn back time on this | 06:24 |
zyga | I had commited the whole po for gcc | 06:24 |
zyga | SteveA: can you help me create a new spec | 06:25 |
SteveA | zyga: sure, what is the spec? | 06:26 |
zyga | SteveA: NextGenerationLocalizationSystem (wikiword) | 06:26 |
zyga | I cannot find any link to crate the spec | 06:26 |
SteveA | just a sec | 06:27 |
SteveA | zyga: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs | 06:29 |
zyga | ah | 06:29 |
zyga | launchpad seems less and less intuitive IMHO :/ | 06:29 |
zyga | thanks | 06:29 |
SteveA | zyga: where did you try looking for this/ | 06:29 |
SteveA | ? | 06:29 |
zyga | SteveA: I logged in | 06:30 |
zyga | Seveas: I clicked 'specifications' tab | 06:30 |
zyga | that's pretty obvious | 06:30 |
carlos | zyga, that's exactly the link that SteveA gave you | 06:32 |
zyga | carlos: hmmmmmmmm | 06:33 |
zyga | carlos: wait | 06:33 |
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SteveA | i think the confusing thing is that you need to go into a context | 06:33 |
zyga | https://launchpad.net/people/zkrynicki/+specs | 06:33 |
zyga | that's my link | 06:33 |
SteveA | and then file the spec from there | 06:33 |
zyga | so no | 06:33 |
zyga | I'm alredy creating the spec with the link SteveA provided | 06:33 |
SteveA | but, from other specs pages, it doesn't explain or help with that | 06:34 |
Kinnison | launchpad's "context first" approach confuses a lot of people | 06:34 |
zyga | Kinnison: yes | 06:34 |
Kinnison | I think we need a launchpad walkthrough type guide | 06:34 |
zyga | Kinnison: I guess that's because I need to know for which distro the specs goes | 06:34 |
Kinnison | linked at the bottom along with the legalese | 06:34 |
Kinnison | which explains | 06:34 |
zyga | but I think also that a multiple vector form is good | 06:34 |
zyga | if I come from people/zkrynicki then something could already be filled (spec by me) | 06:34 |
zyga | if I come from /distros/ubuntu that's a spec for ubuntu | 06:35 |
zyga | one path doesn't suit everything | 06:35 |
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sivang | Kinnison++ | 06:42 |
Kinnison | sivang: ? | 06:42 |
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sivang | Kinnison: 17:34 < Kinnison> I think we need a launchpad walkthrough type guide | 06:47 |
Kinnison | oh right | 06:47 |
Kinnison | care to write it? | 06:47 |
koke | Kinnison: if lot of people get confused it's because maybe it's not a good idea | 06:47 |
koke | most people would expect persistent actions in a toolbar with that layout and position inside the page | 06:48 |
koke | like the rest of the web | 06:48 |
koke | anyway, the link names are not descriptive enough | 06:49 |
koke | it they were "XXXX for this product" | 06:49 |
Kinnison | koke: I find that once you're used to the interface, it's very very easy and rapid to navigate | 06:49 |
sivang | Kinnison: I have some ideas for having a brief helper messages for every functionaliy, which would be essentially integrated into the gui. seems like it would be more beneficial then asking someone to to read a whole another new guide just to use launchpad | 06:49 |
koke | people would understand it | 06:49 |
Kinnison | but I do agree that they're not very discoverable | 06:49 |
sivang | self explantory is my thought :) | 06:50 |
Kinnison | Having useful hover-over tooltips on the facets would be nice | 06:50 |
Kinnison | just by setting title="" on the link you can do that I think | 06:50 |
sivang | anyway, fellas, I need to get off work and start preperations :-) | 06:50 |
Kinnison | see you | 06:50 |
koke | Kinnison: the main problem is that there's no way to access different components with one-click | 06:50 |
koke | and this tabs should be expected to do that | 06:51 |
Kinnison | koke: You've gotta be real careful saying "component" to me :-) | 06:51 |
Kinnison | koke: I've spent the last year working on archives and components are something very very specific :-) | 06:51 |
sivang | Kinnison: let's talk about such a guide there , ok? | 06:51 |
Kinnison | sivang: heh, see you in .ca | 06:51 |
sivang | :) | 06:51 |
koke | Kinnison: ok, let's say rosetta, malone, specs,... | 06:52 |
sivang | Kinnison: laterz | 06:52 |
koke | I meant that | 06:52 |
koke | :) | 06:52 |
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Kinnison | koke: I think of those as the apps. but I'm probably wrong too. | 06:52 |
koke | at least it sounds quite more appropiate :) | 06:52 |
koke | anyway, see you at .ca | 06:54 |
koke | have to go now | 06:54 |
Kinnison | cya | 06:54 |
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ddaa | Where can I learn about the request object passed to View instances? | 07:20 |
lifeless | SteveA: ^^^ | 07:21 |
SteveA | ddaa: you can read the interfaces. look up IBrowserRequest. run '''ctags -R lib sourcecode''' in your launchpad root | 07:22 |
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SteveA | and please add 'make ctags' as a makefile target that does exactly this | 07:25 |
NetDreamz | hello | 07:25 |
SteveA | do not run '''ctags -R .''' as it will hang. ctags bug. reported by me. | 07:25 |
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lifeless | SteveA: what about etags ? | 07:28 |
Kinnison | ciao all | 07:30 |
SteveA | lifeless: yeah, whatever | 07:31 |
NetDreamz | how long does it take to receive the ShipIt cd's? | 07:31 |
Belutz | could you make the launchpad redirect to our own page after logging in? | 07:31 |
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SteveA | Belutz: soon, it will redirect to whatever page you clicked the 'login' link from on logging in | 07:32 |
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Belutz | SteveA, cool :) | 07:32 |
SteveA | Belutz: if you want it to go back to your own page, then log in to the link to your own home page | 07:32 |
SteveA | launchpad already does this, except for the front page | 07:33 |
Belutz | SteveA, ok | 07:33 |
Belutz | apparently i always login from the from page, so i never knew about that one | 07:33 |
Belutz | is the font in launchpad bigger? or is it my eyes? | 07:34 |
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bradb | lifeless: is it me or is bzr not installed on chinstrap? I'm following the "Using bzr remotely and rsyncing locally" instructions (it's already been a couple hours that I've been waiting for the tree to build over the network, had lunch, etc.), but I don't see bzr on chinstrap. | 07:37 |
ddaa | SteveA: more specifically, say I have a page $branch/+graph?foo=bar&hell=world, how can I retrieve the query parameters from the request? | 07:37 |
SteveA | ddaa: request.form | 07:38 |
SteveA | it is like a dict | 07:38 |
SteveA | it will have a list of things in a dict value if you have more than one thing in the url | 07:39 |
SteveA | like ?foo=1&foo=2 | 07:39 |
SteveA | {'foo':[1, 2] } | 07:39 |
niemeyer | SteveA: I told him, but he'd like to hear from you.. :) | 07:41 |
ddaa | mh... you mean {'foo':['1','2'] } right? | 07:42 |
SteveA | ddaa: what he said ;-) | 07:42 |
SteveA | ddaa: yeah, what you said | 07:42 |
ddaa | niemeyer: not true, you vaguely mentioned something about a form | 07:42 |
niemeyer | ddaa: I vaguely mentioned that the request should contain a form with the values. | 07:42 |
niemeyer | ddaa: And that you should look at the zope code to see what the form was.. :) | 07:42 |
ddaa | I tried to. But since I did not find, I asked Steve. | 07:43 |
NetDreamz | how long does it take for the ship-it cd's to ship? | 07:43 |
NetDreamz | normally? | 07:43 |
ddaa | In a static typing language, that would have been easier :P | 07:43 |
NetDreamz | anyone? | 07:45 |
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bradb | mpt: Are you building a tree over the network or on chinstrap? | 07:49 |
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jbailey | Are spec tracker bugs just under launchpad? | 07:51 |
bradb | yes, AFAIK | 07:52 |
jbailey | bradb: Thanks. | 07:54 |
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bradb | lifeless: ping? | 08:19 |
lifeless | pong | 08:20 |
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bradb | lifeless: is it me or is bzr not installed on chinstrap? | 08:21 |
lifeless | bradb: its not installed on chinstrap, as the rocketfuel setup and movetobazng pages both clearly show | 08:21 |
lifeless | bradb: we're reving bzr -very- fast | 08:21 |
lifeless | until we release 2.0, installing it would just be a pita | 08:22 |
bradb | lifeless: rest assured, if they clearly showed it, i wouldn't have asked :) | 08:22 |
bradb | i guess that bzr branch command was a typo then? | 08:22 |
lifeless | bradb: which one ? | 08:22 |
bradb | e.g. bzr branch /home/warthogs/archives/rocketfuel/dists/devel configs | 08:22 |
lifeless | bradb: which one ? | 08:22 |
lifeless | bradb: where do you see that ? | 08:22 |
bradb | lifeless: last line of the first section of commands in "Using bzr remotely and rsyncing locally" | 08:23 |
bradb | So, both the section header and the command in question imply to me that bzr is meant to be on chinstrap, whether or not that's what you meant to say :) | 08:24 |
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lifeless | bradb: its installed now | 08:30 |
lifeless | FSVO installed | 08:30 |
bradb | thanks | 08:31 |
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raider|ukraine | lol | 08:41 |
raider|ukraine | :) | 08:41 |
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salgado | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/gnome-desktop | 08:58 |
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jordi | mfuentes: hello | 09:22 |
mfuentes | hi | 09:25 |
jordi | can I help? | 09:25 |
mfuentes | yes :) | 09:25 |
mfuentes | How I do to manage the es_CL translation for SchoolTool? | 09:25 |
mfuentes | I complete the es and es_CL translations because two public School in my City have planned try SchoolTool, by this reason I want to administer it. | 09:26 |
bradb | lifeless: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileVy5b2J.html -- my import has been "hung" like this for the last 10-15 minutes (possibly longer.) is that expected? | 09:26 |
salgado | guys, I'm lost. what's the status of the baz2bzr conversion? is the rocketfuel baz archive already frozen? | 09:27 |
lifeless | bradb: thats fine | 09:27 |
lifeless | bradb: just leave it | 09:28 |
salgado | lifeless, we still can send merge requests to pqm? | 09:28 |
bradb | lifeless: any estimates on how long a typical lp developer's archive conversion should take? | 09:28 |
salgado | for the launchpad tree | 09:28 |
lifeless | bradb: a couple of hours | 09:28 |
bradb | ok | 09:29 |
lifeless | salgado: yes, via bzr | 09:29 |
jordi | mfuentes: hmm | 09:30 |
jordi | mfuentes: Why do you want an es_CL translation? | 09:30 |
jordi | isn't es enough? | 09:30 |
mfuentes | Because the Chilean education uses a specials words for Teachers, Resources, Sections, etc. | 09:32 |
mfuentes | Teacher =(es_CL) Docente | 09:32 |
mfuentes | Instructor = Docente | 09:33 |
mfuentes | and in (es) Profesor or Instructor | 09:34 |
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bradb | damn, I lost my connection to chinstrap | 09:37 |
bradb | screen it is, i guess | 09:37 |
kiko | heya bradb | 09:37 |
kiko | wanna come down at 18:30? | 09:37 |
mfuentes | jordi, is't a good reason? or you think about an unified translation to the Spanish? | 09:37 |
bradb | kiko: for bof'ing or something else? | 09:37 |
kiko | bradb, shopping! | 09:39 |
bradb | heh | 09:39 |
bradb | possibly...can i bring a girl if she's not too busy studying? | 09:39 |
mpt | bradb: not yet, just about to start | 09:41 |
kiko | bradb, dude, how can I refuse you bringing girls | 09:41 |
jordi | mfuentes: Docente would be acceptable in Spain too | 09:42 |
bradb | kiko: heh | 09:42 |
jordi | mfuentes: but yes, if you have a special need, you could create a es_CL. | 09:42 |
bradb | kiko: btw, just phoned le grand cycle | 09:42 |
mpt | My girl is definitely too busy studying | 09:42 |
bradb | they're open till 7, ready for your pedals | 09:42 |
jordi | mfuentes: we try to avoid its as much as possible thouhh. | 09:42 |
kiko | bradb, rock | 09:43 |
bradb | mpt: building the tree over the network? word of warning: don't! | 09:43 |
kiko | bradb, so 18:30 here, I guess | 09:43 |
mpt | Kinnison: Like I've been saying to anyone who would listen, we need context-less "add stuff" forms that invite you to enter the context. A context-free spec registering page that starts by saying "What's this spec for?" A context-free bug reporting page that starts by saying "What's this bug in?" etc | 09:43 |
bradb | kiko: sure, sounds good...what should we arrange for picking up the bike? | 09:44 |
kiko | bradb, yeah -- can we get there in 30 minutes? | 09:44 |
mfuentes | jordi, ok, thanks (Gracias ;) | 09:44 |
bradb | kiko: too tight, i think | 09:44 |
bradb | it'd be better if we met at sherbrooke metro | 09:44 |
bradb | at that time | 09:44 |
kiko | bradb, no cellphone? | 09:44 |
bradb | no cellphone, unfortunately | 09:45 |
bradb | i'm a caveman | 09:45 |
kiko | hrmph | 09:45 |
kiko | yeah. | 09:45 |
kiko | and it's close to sherbrooke? | 09:45 |
bradb | yeah, just a few mins walk | 09:45 |
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jordi | mfuentes: I would try translating es to your Spanish variant | 09:46 |
coyote10 | hello | 09:46 |
jordi | mfuentes: what other "different" words do you think you'd end up usng? | 09:46 |
coyote10 | thanks | 09:47 |
jordi | hello coyote10 | 09:47 |
coyote10 | i have my cds of ubuntu | 09:47 |
jordi | kiko, carlos: can a template be "moved" from a branch to anotheR? | 09:48 |
kiko | jordi, that's a question for carlos more than me | 09:49 |
coyote10 | I obtained my yesterday compact disc of ubuntu | 09:49 |
coyote10 | hi jordi | 09:49 |
jordi | kiko: k | 09:50 |
jordi | coyote10: good! | 09:50 |
coyote10 | :-P | 09:51 |
jordi | segfault: ping | 09:52 |
jordi | segfault: this is pretty massive, your learnlinux request. I need to know more. | 09:53 |
bradb | kiko: can you make it to sherbrooke metro by 18:30 then? | 09:57 |
jordi | segfault: please contact me when you read this. I might be afk depending on the itme | 09:59 |
jordi | carlos: ping? | 10:00 |
kiko | bradb, see privmsg | 10:01 |
bradb | oh, i always miss privmsg's with this client, argh | 10:02 |
mfuentes | jordi, This weekend we will have a meeting where they will tell us as to translate the words so that be accord with the norms of the Minister of Education. | 10:03 |
jordi | mfuentes: good. I think you should try to go with only es at first | 10:05 |
jordi | are you the Spanish translator, or does one exist already? | 10:05 |
jordi | mfuentes: it's very cool that Chile is moving to SchoolTool | 10:05 |
mfuentes | I'm the translator | 10:05 |
mfuentes | jordi, an es un proyecto, ojal de frutos :) | 10:07 |
jordi | mfuentes: muy buena suerte | 10:09 |
mpt | lifeless: still around? | 10:15 |
mfuentes | jordi, I send an update translation to the launchpad, but after more of 4 days it's not accepted, can you accept it? | 10:18 |
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jordi | mfuentes: for SchoolTool? | 10:19 |
mfuentes | yes | 10:19 |
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jordi | is it valid? | 10:19 |
jordi | ie, does it pass msgfmt -cv es.po? | 10:19 |
mfuentes | output: 508 mensajes traducidos, 6 traducciones difusas. | 10:20 |
mfuentes | jordi, I tranlate 'ID' as 'Identificador', is ok? | 10:21 |
jordi | mfuentes: yes | 10:21 |
jordi | unless it takes too much space in the Schooltool ui | 10:22 |
jordi | mfuentes: you'll find out when testing the translation | 10:22 |
lifeless | mpt: yes | 10:24 |
mfuentes | ok, I need the HEAD versin, I get it and testing my traslation | 10:24 |
mpt | lifeless: Is it necessary to have .../archives/mpt/mpt@canonical.com/launchpad..., or should it just be .../archives/mpt/launchpad...? | 10:27 |
bradb | lifeless: hm, this import appears to not be budging (same screen as before) | 10:27 |
lifeless | mpt: short answer - no, long answer - the eparate is to ensure that you do onot conflict if you have (say) launchpad--devel--0 in two archives | 10:28 |
ddaa | mpt: I want to put a string that contains "&" and other chars like that into an attribute of a page template | 10:28 |
lifeless | mpt: but you should follow the exact instructions, and move stuff up long level later if you want to. | 10:28 |
ddaa | mpt: but zope keeps on escaping the & into & | 10:28 |
ddaa | how can I prevent that? | 10:28 |
lifeless | bradb: one sec. | 10:28 |
mpt | ddaa: where is the string? in python? | 10:29 |
ddaa | Yes, it's returned by a method of the view class | 10:29 |
mpt | Why don't you want it to be &? | 10:29 |
mpt | i.e. what's it for? | 10:29 |
lifeless | bradb: looks fine to me | 10:29 |
ddaa | it's for passing form parameters | 10:30 |
lifeless | bradb: load average is 11 for chinstrap | 10:30 |
bradb | lifeless: ah, ok | 10:30 |
ddaa | +foo?bar=baz&hello=world | 10:30 |
ddaa | I mean we CAN second guess the correct values after they are mangled, but that's not right for any value of right. | 10:31 |
salgado | ddaa, are you using this in a tal:content or tal:replace? | 10:31 |
ddaa | tal:attributes | 10:31 |
salgado | ddaa, try tal:attributes="foo structure:view/yourmethod" | 10:31 |
salgado | this should work, I guess | 10:31 |
ddaa | it says, roughly, "never heard of structure, you idiot" | 10:31 |
ddaa | I can give you the exact error message if you want | 10:32 |
salgado | no need to | 10:32 |
mpt | ddaa: If this is for in an href, you really do want them to be & | 10:33 |
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ddaa | mpt: we both think you are on crack | 10:33 |
ddaa | me and niemeyer | 10:33 |
mpt | them's fighting words | 10:33 |
ddaa | The error we get is: PTRuntimeError: ['Compilation failed', 'zope.tal.taldefs.TALError: Unrecognized expression type "structure". in expression \'structure:row/query\', at line 27, column 11'] | 10:34 |
kiko | ddaa, niemeyer: href's that contain & need to change them to be &s | 10:34 |
niemeyer | kiko: Even inside an href/src attribute!? | 10:34 |
ddaa | Actually, it's a img@src | 10:34 |
ddaa | but it's same thing, isn't it? | 10:34 |
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kiko | niemeyer, yes, even inside an href/src attribute. | 10:34 |
mpt | ddaa: http://htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/problems.html.en#amp | 10:34 |
kiko | <a href="foo.py?bar=1&baz=2">aha</a> | 10:35 |
niemeyer | WOW! | 10:35 |
niemeyer | :-) | 10:35 |
ddaa | I knew that html was bad... but THAT bad? | 10:36 |
niemeyer | kiko: Thanks for enlightening our poor souls.. | 10:36 |
ddaa | Thank guys for your patience. | 10:36 |
kiko | sure. as for structure, don't prefix it with a colon. | 10:36 |
kiko | salgado was trying to confuse you. | 10:36 |
niemeyer | I love when the bug is in the programmer.. | 10:37 |
kiko | however | 10:37 |
salgado | I always do that | 10:37 |
kiko | I don't think it makes sense to use define and structure together | 10:37 |
niemeyer | kiko: Yes, we've seen that.. tal:attr doesn't support structure.. was just a dummy try. | 10:37 |
kiko | tal:attr? | 10:37 |
niemeyer | attribute | 10:38 |
kiko | I didn't quite understand you. | 10:38 |
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kiko | niemeyer, attribute? | 10:38 |
kiko | ol camilotelles | 10:38 |
kiko | salgado, you do? can I see an example? | 10:38 |
salgado | kiko, I always try to confuse people | 10:38 |
niemeyer | kiko: tal:attributes="foobar structures foobar" is not supported | 10:38 |
niemeyer | structure | 10:39 |
camilotelles | hi kiko | 10:39 |
kiko | niemeyer, yes, right. | 10:39 |
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kiko | niemeyer, you can use replace or content. | 10:39 |
kiko | but that's all | 10:39 |
kiko | attributes = structure is a bit odd however | 10:39 |
Griotte53 | hi lla | 10:39 |
Griotte53 | all | 10:39 |
Griotte53 | who can help me please???i have some pb with ubuntu live for x86,i have a sempron 2800+ | 10:40 |
Griotte53 | i believe the pb come from my processor | 10:40 |
niemeyer | kiko: Yes, doesn't make sense, now that we know that & shouldn't be there unescaped anyway. | 10:40 |
kiko | Griotte53, that's unlikely, since a sempron is known to be fully x86-compatible | 10:42 |
Griotte53 | ok thx mate | 10:42 |
Griotte53 | kiko: because with my other(p4) it's ok | 10:43 |
Griotte53 | i don't mind, i m going to use some different cd | 10:44 |
kiko | Griotte53, likely that the issue is with some other bit of hardware, though. | 10:44 |
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Griotte53 | kiko: where are you from??i m french and at present a lot of people are cominf to linux,it s great | 10:45 |
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j^ | right now packages.ubuntu.com points for packages in universe to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/$SOURCE/+bugs | 10:49 |
j^ | but this link no longer works | 10:49 |
j^ | but be nice if p.u.c or launchpad.net could be fixed | 10:50 |
SteveA | j^: right. the link on p.u.c. should include the distribution release name | 10:52 |
SteveA | like 'breezy' | 10:52 |
j^ | SteveA i know, but i was told here it would also allways work without | 10:53 |
j^ | its just that it worked until last week | 10:53 |
SteveA | okay, i just talked with kiko | 10:54 |
SteveA | and i'm told that launchpad should deal with such urls | 10:54 |
SteveA | bradb: hi | 10:54 |
kiko | it definitely should | 10:54 |
SteveA | bradb: NullSourcePackage doesn't seem to be working | 10:54 |
SteveA | in production | 10:54 |
kiko | bradb, what's the url for a distro source pacakge | 10:54 |
bradb | kiko: path is /distros/ubuntu/+source/whatever | 10:55 |
SteveA | thanks brad | 10:55 |
kiko | NOT +sources | 10:55 |
SteveA | j^: so, the url on p.u.c. is incorrect | 10:55 |
kiko | of course | 10:55 |
kiko | because that would mean that it would be CONVENIENT | 10:55 |
bradb | mark didn't seem concerned with linkrot when he made the change | 10:55 |
SteveA | did it used to be +sources ? | 10:56 |
bradb | so there's various rotten links out there now, e.g. in the ubuntu forums | 10:56 |
bradb | SteveA: yeah | 10:56 |
bradb | SteveA: btw, it's not a NullSourcePackage, it's a DistributionSourcePackage (which i did a simple version of to suit my needs and mark completely rewrote not that long ago) | 10:57 |
SteveA | ok | 10:57 |
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j^ | so distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources works but it does not without breezy? | 10:58 |
SteveA | so, someone should mail frank lichtenfeld at the email address in the p.u.c. footer | 10:58 |
j^ | while +source works with and without breezy | 10:58 |
SteveA | and ask him to remove the 's' on the end of '+sources' | 10:58 |
bradb | j^: Yeah. I *think* I recall mark saying he didn't want +sources to work on just the distro name. It shouldn't be that long though before we change that. :) | 10:58 |
j^ | bradb good, just wanted to let you know and hope you find a way with frank + keep the url a bit more stable | 11:01 |
kiko | bradb, please change that today rs=kiko <wink> | 11:02 |
bradb | kiko: in the midst of a bzr migration! | 11:02 |
bradb | load of 11 last lifeless mentioned on chinstrap, so it's, um, slow. | 11:02 |
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bradb | hm, 13.70, 12.26, 11.22... | 11:05 |
kiko | yeah | 11:05 |
kiko | I was thinking of running it, but.. | 11:05 |
bradb | you should start now. it might day a day or two | 11:05 |
bradb | mine is still on the second of 83 branches | 11:07 |
kiko | I only have 5 branches | 11:07 |
bradb | whoa | 11:08 |
mpt | ] revisions 0/8 -:--:-- | 11:08 |
bradb | mpt: what does "baz branches | wc -l" print for you? | 11:08 |
mpt | 47 | 11:09 |
bradb | sounds about right | 11:09 |
kiko | I get 4 | 11:09 |
mpt | that "-:--:--" hasn't changed in the past hour | 11:09 |
mpt | should it have? | 11:09 |
bradb | mpt: nope | 11:09 |
bradb | mpt: load is high. chinstrap is creaking. | 11:10 |
mpt | ok, home time then | 11:10 |
mpt | tomorrow can be Spec Day | 11:10 |
mpt | tchau | 11:10 |
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matsubara | Does anybody know what permission should I use on the +edit form for ProductSeries? I'm changing it to an autogenerated one and the old one was: launchpad.AnyPerson, I changed it to launchpad.Edit. Does that make sense? I need some opinios here on the implications of this change. | 11:17 |
kiko | matsubara, I think ddaa was in accord with this change, IIRC -- ddaa? | 11:22 |
bradb | matsubara: launchpad.AnyPerson is a "special" permission that will authorize any logged-in user. it's acceptable when you allow, effectively, "wiki-mode" editing of an object. if you wish to have more specific authorization than "is the person logged in", then you want launchpad.Edit. | 11:22 |
ddaa | Then Edit is fine with me. | 11:23 |
ddaa | Product owners like to to feel... ownership. | 11:23 |
matsubara | thank you | 11:24 |
bradb | matsubara: you can see examples of how to write that custom code for the launchpad.Edit check for a specific interface in lib/canonical/launchpad/security.py | 11:24 |
kiko | bradb, matsubara: however I think that a regular launchpad.Edit should work fine | 11:25 |
kiko | (with no custom code) | 11:25 |
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bradb | i *think* in that case it would run the checker EditSeriesSourceByButtSource | 11:29 |
kiko | arhamm | 11:32 |
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sivang | anyboy here are scheduled to arrive on the 29th eveningish ? | 11:39 |
sivang | s/boy/body/ | 11:39 |
bradb | kiko: i'm heading off soon to sherbrooke metro...is the plan to head back to the hotel with the bike right after/maybe get something to eat? | 11:46 |
kiko | bradb, hmmm, I'm easy, but I wonder where I'm keeping the bike | 11:47 |
bradb | in your room? | 11:50 |
bradb | if they allow that. if not, they must have some safe storage area somewhere. | 11:51 |
kiko | I can only imagine. I'll ask before leaving | 11:51 |
bradb | kiko: i just asked. they've got a storage area. | 11:56 |
kiko | wow, cool | 11:56 |
bradb | and it doesn't cost any extra, which is a bonus | 11:58 |
kiko | sweetness | 12:02 |
bradb | right, i'm heading off then. see you at sherbrooke metro, at the exit for the 24 est. | 12:03 |
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