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kikohmmm12:04
kikowhere are our gina-logs?12:04
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gneumankiko12:39
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kikofala gneuman, matsubara 12:42
matsubarafala kiko!12:42
matsubaracomo esto as coisas por a?12:42
kikotudo certo12:42
gneumankiko, mudar as urls quebradsa  facil?12:44
gneumani mean fix the url for productrelease12:45
kikosorry?12:45
gneumanis ti easy to fiz the url's for productrelease?12:46
gneumanrihgt now they are productname/productrelease12:47
gneumanthey should be product/productseries/productrelease12:47
kikogneuman, has anyone confirmed that they should be changed?12:49
kikoit shouldn't be difficult, no12:49
kikojust change the navigation12:49
gneumanbug 289512:50
UbugtuMalone bug #2895: Releases with the same directory name causes an error Fix req. for: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Diogo Matsubara, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/289512:50
gneumanwhere can i find it in the source?12:50
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matsubaradoes anybody know where can I find the file for constants on launchpad? Like the one that defines numbers for emailaddress.STATUS? I need the constants for rcstypes01:33
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ddaamatsubara: dbschema.py?01:35
matsubarathank you ddaa.01:37
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dilysMerge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial]  add minor features to spec system (patch-2733: mark.shuttleworth@canonical.com)06:50
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sivanggood morning all08:52
ajmitchhello sivang 08:55
jordimpt and sivang are sooo jealous of my karma09:07
mdkeheh09:07
mdkewe all are09:07
mdkethat's why we have lower karma09:07
mdkeLP feels our jealousy09:07
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sivangjordi: oh man, you won't believe how much :-)09:19
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dilysMerge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [r=spiv]  LibrarianGarbageCollection client API (patch-2734: stuart.bishop@canonical.com)09:29
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jordicarlos: can you reply to the VLC in rosetta? It's about automatic syncing to SVN10:33
dilysMerge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--production--1.38: [trivial]  Cherry picks (patch-4: christian.reis@canonical.com, stuart.bishop@canonical.com, rocketfuel@canonical.com ...)10:37
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carloszyga, no know date yet10:54
carloszyga, but I suppose it will happen after UBZ10:54
carlosjordi, sure10:54
sivanghey ajmitch , just now noticed you greeted me :)10:56
zygacarlos: okay thanks10:56
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Belutzcan i use gtranslator to translate then upload the .po file to rosetta?11:15
zygaBelutz: be careful11:17
zygaBelutz: gtranslator has unfixed bug that corrupts some messages11:18
zygaBelutz: header is almos always broken because of incorrect handling of multiline messages11:18
Belutzso, is there any other way to translate offline ?11:19
zygaBelutz: sure, other programs or plain gedit/vim11:19
zygaBelutz: kbabelfish works if you like kde11:19
Belutzoh i could use gedit? ok :-)11:20
zygaBelutz: I was trying to fix gedit but it had gotten pretty ugly quckly11:22
zygaI had to rewrite the whole parser 11:22
zygas/gedit/gtranslator/11:22
zygabut I've heard that next gtranslator version are using other parsers and work great11:22
Belutzthat would be great :)11:23
mdkepoedit is good11:23
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mdkeor gedit :)11:23
Belutzshould i fill this field Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: in the po file?11:23
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=== zyga would like kbabelfish like thingy for gedit
zygait's way more advanced11:24
mdkeanyhow this is not really a translation support chan11:25
zygamdke: is there any?11:25
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mdkedoesn't look like it11:26
mdke#i18n on irc.gimp.net i guess11:27
carloszyga, gtranslator was using the parser from gettext not sure if they did a stable release with that parser already...11:37
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zygacarlos: the bug persists in breezy so I guess not11:42
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kokethe HTML code for the "Someone should review this translation" checkbox is12:04
koke<input type="checkbox" value="fuzzy" name="set_626541_fuzzy_es" tabindex:="2" />12:04
kokethe tabindex:= is a bug, hack, or what??12:05
Kinnisonthe : sounds like a bug12:05
jordinice catch koke :)12:06
jordikoke: are you in .ca alreadY?12:06
kokejordi: no, I land Saturday at ~19:0012:07
jordik12:09
jordiI'll be there on Tue12:09
sivanghey Kinnison 12:20
Kinnisonhi sivan12:21
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jblackI've heard of a few people already traveling. Is there a launchpad meeting this week?12:51
Kinnisonno12:51
Kinnisonsee /topic12:51
jblackawesome12:51
Kinnisonso easily pleased12:51
jblackNow that you mention it, I was rarely disapointed at christmas12:52
jblackwell, except for that year that I received sea monkeys...12:53
Kinnisonsea monkeys were great fun12:53
jblackNot when you're eight years old and wake up at 4 am. 12:53
Kinnisonbut then again, I was part of a team writing a game called sea monkeys12:53
jblackThrow a bunch of magic pets into tap water, wait five minutes... _flush_12:53
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Kinnisonthey actually grow quite big if you let 'em12:54
Kinnisoneat each other12:54
KinnisonSo what happened to the great bzr switchover of doom?12:55
jblackYeah. I got some for my daughter when she turned ten. Unlike me, she actually read the directions. She didn't notice any sort of cannibalism.12:55
Kinnisonshe didn't leave them without food for days then, did she?12:55
jblackHer? Nah. She's Mrs. Responsibility.12:55
Nafallooh!12:55
Nafallorabbit12:55
Nafallobrb12:55
Kinnisonjblack: *g*12:55
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jblackShe actually devised a plan for her hermit crab for the ten days I'll be away. For a hermit crab.12:56
Kinnisonhey, given your skitty brain she's probably making up for you :-)12:56
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jblackOh, she's a livesaver. Best money I ever spent.12:57
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Kinnisonstub: gina, on staging, what's the dealio?12:57
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stubI did a code update about an hour or two ago and started a fresh run.12:58
jblackOh, to answer your baz-ng question, we got close. really close. 12:58
jblackEveryone is going to be happy, methinks.12:58
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Kinnisonstub: she just appears to have stopped, that's all12:59
Kinnisonstub: but gina.sh is still there12:59
stuboh12:59
Kinnisonoh hang on, is this statistician thing part of it?12:59
stubit is rebuilding marks full text indexes.12:59
stubyup12:59
stubTakes maybe 10 mins01:00
Kinnisonright01:00
stubOr 30... don't really know ;)01:00
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mptGoooooooood morning01:01
Kinnisonhi mpt01:01
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Kinnisonstub: right, that rollout.py finished01:06
Kinnisonstub: now how do I update the db etc?01:06
zygaanyone: could someone add #ubuntu-translators to the topic so that translation specific issues could be taken there?01:06
stubKinnison: The usual way?01:07
stubOr did you have a leftover script of mine that took care of it?01:07
Kinnisonstub: I was always doing "make -f Makefile.dogfood" and waiting01:08
stubcd launchpad; make; cd database/schema; env LPCONFIG=dogfood python upgrade.py -d launchpad_dogfood -U postgres -H ''; env LPCONFIG=dogfood python fti.py -f launchpad_dogfood -U postgres -H ''; env LPCONFIG=dogfood python security.py -d launchpad_dogfood -U postgres -H ''01:08
Kinnisonwhy don't we have an "upgrade" target in the database/schema makefile?01:09
stubKinnison: Ok. there are rules in there - dbupgrade etc.01:09
stubKinnison: Feel free to add one ;)01:09
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stubIts your makefile01:09
Kinnisonwhat? database/schema/Makefile ?01:09
stubOh... erm. Sure. 01:10
stubI didn't read the path - thought you meant Makefile.dogfood01:10
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matsubaragood morning!01:10
mptjbailey: ping01:12
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kokehttps://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-drivers <-- 'There are 5 direct members of the "Ubuntu Drivers" team.' but the list has only four items01:29
kokeweird01:29
Nafallokoke: 4 members and 1 team?01:32
salgadokoke, that's because one of the members is another team. but yes, that team should be listed as one of the direct members too01:32
kokeI know, the Ubuntu Technical Board is just below01:32
kokebut in another section01:32
kokeso the number should be 401:32
KinnisonFor people who care, dogfood should be back running now01:33
mpt"When I first came up with the idea of Launchpad Pro, I had no idea how tough it would be to market a new product in the highly competitive golf aid market."01:35
mpthmmm, / Overview \/ Bugs \/ Support \/ Bounties \/ Specifications \/ Translations \/ Calendar \/ Golf \01:36
Kinnisonlaunchpad-golf -- getting to the information you want in the fewest possible keystrokes/clicks01:39
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kokeKinnison: great title for a LaunchpadUsability BOF :)01:42
Kinnisonjblack: so when do we do the transfer of launchpad--* ?01:42
Kinnisonkoke: true :-)01:42
Kinnisonhey cprov01:42
cprovKinnison: hey01:42
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lifelessKinnison: ?01:48
Kinnisonlifeless: I mean, everything but launchpad--devel--0 appears to be in bzr now01:49
Kinnisonlifeless: so when do we switch to launchpad itself being in bzr?01:49
lifelesstoday I hope01:49
lifelesswe'll see what the agenda is after breakfast01:49
lifelessyou should convert your branches in prparation01:50
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lifelesswell01:51
lifelessI'd like them converted nayway01:51
lifelessso that we can get good annotate results etc01:51
Kinnisonurgh01:52
Kinnisonlast time I tried it crashed01:52
Kinnisonbut okay01:52
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sivangKinnison: what does cunningly mean?01:52
lifelessreview teh  rfs page01:52
sivang(rehi all montreal based launchpadders :- )01:52
lifelessits got history reuse now which makes it a hellof a lot faster01:52
mptDoes that mean I'll have to set up my baz archive on my clean Breezy install?01:52
mptnarf.01:52
lifelessmpno01:52
lifelessmpt: no. conversion is done on chinstrap01:53
mptok01:53
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stublifeless: Conversion still takes days (possibly weeks - I think spiv finished his so he might know)01:59
zygacarlos: ping02:01
carloszyga, pong02:01
zygacarlos: sorry for bothering you but no-one seems to respond 02:01
zygacarlos: I've set up #ubuntu-translators02:01
zygafor translation specific issues02:01
zygacoul you add a short note about that to the topic?02:01
carlossure02:02
zygathanks :-)02:02
sivangmpt: regarding the description editing in malone, I tried to edit the description - but it copied the previous description as a new comment, and refreshed the current description. Is this really needed? e.g., when I'm editing the bug description I don't expect the previous one to become a "comment"02:02
=== ..[topic/#launchpad:carlos] : Discussion with Launchpad users and developers. || https://launchpad.net/ || Includes Rosetta and Malone. || http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ || Next developers' meeting is UBZ || Please, use #ubuntu-translators for any question about translations not related directly with Rosetta
carloszyga, something like this?02:04
mptsivang: That only happens for the original description, so that it's preserved for posterity02:04
mptsivang: That original description should be collapsed by default once BugHistory and KeepingBugsConcise are implemented.02:05
Kinnisonlifeless: am I meant to register all the baz archives?02:05
Kinnisonlifeless: I get:02:05
Kinnison* error report02:05
Kinnisoncould not connect to archive 'brad.bollenbach@canonical.com/launchpad--filebug-labels-fix--0--base-0'02:05
Kinnisonwhen importing my archive02:05
zygacarlos: perfect!02:05
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spivstub, lifeless: yeah, my conversion finished finally:02:09
spivreal    3236m29.739s02:09
spivuser    783m30.834s02:09
spivsys     1125m34.974s02:09
mptover two days02:12
mptHmm, I'll leave that running over the weekend :-)02:12
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ddaaKinnison: unregister brad's archive02:21
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ddaaI know how we could avoid that problem, but there's some disagreement with lifeless about the proper semantics of conversion.02:22
_philippHello, I need some help.. I did not only forget my password for launchpad, I even forgot my registration E-Mail adress... :-( 02:23
_philippIts very stupid but it can happen because I have a catch-all e-mail on my domain02:23
_philippCan i find out what the adress is? I am definetely the only one with an e-mail @creatu.de02:24
_philippSo, who could help me?02:24
mdkedid you try a search at https://launchpad.net/people02:25
_philippi will try02:25
mdkehttps://launchpad.net/people/launchpad-net-creatu02:25
_philippI found02:25
_philippthanks02:25
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mdke_philipp, that might not help you thought I guess, if you can't login02:27
_philippyes, i just found out the same.s02:27
mdkehang around and wait and see if a LP maintainer is around02:28
_philippNow i found my user on launchpad, but I still dont know the mail adress02:28
_philippHow do I recognize them?02:28
stubErm... I got that error and the solution was to *register* brads archive, not *unregister* it.02:28
spiv_philipp: launchpad.net@...02:29
ddaastub: mh... maybe, right02:32
_philippthanks a lot!02:32
ddaaI modified by baz2bzr so I need not to import the whole universe just to get a branch in.02:33
ddaaMh... no, I'm sure there's some support in lifeless' one for partial imports...02:33
WaterSevenUbhey... where is the Rosetta wishlist such that I can add some items?02:33
WaterSevenUbhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/RosettaWishList this?02:34
mdkeyes02:35
mdkehey there spiv 02:35
mdkespiv, would your user.py hack work on moin version 1.3.5 do you know?02:36
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_philippexit02:48
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Kinnisonddaa: unregister?02:51
Kinnisonddaa: I only have mine and rocketfuel registered02:52
ddaahu...02:52
ddaaWell... annoy lifeless then.02:52
ddaaI could fix your problem with my branch02:52
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KinnisonAll my baz branches are merged02:52
ddaabut lifeless and I do not agree on what is a "valid" import02:53
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Kinnisonassuming bzr happens in the next 48 hours or so02:53
lifelessddaa: please do not say 'unregister'02:54
ddaaokay02:54
lifelessddaa: you have misdiagnosed02:54
lifelessKinnison: you need to register brads archive02:54
lifelessKinnison: his patch log in your branch is corrupt02:54
Kinnisonlifeless: Oh okay02:55
lifelessKinnison: and baz-import is trying to get it via the archive.02:55
Kinnisonlifeless: is this common?02:55
lifelessKinnison: its the one that was corrupted by stub02:55
KinnisonRight02:55
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lifelessstub: ping02:57
jbaileympt: pong02:57
fabbionehey jbailey 02:57
fabbionejbailey: i will be relatively soon on the way to your place02:58
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jbaileyfabbione: Cool.  Angie's left for the day already, I've just showered.02:58
mfuentesHi02:58
jbaileydoko hasn't yet arrived, but I expect him soonish (In the next 15 minutes)02:58
jbaileyfabbione: You have breakfast at the hotel, yes?  Or do I need to feed you?02:59
mfuentesI'm confused :\... I send a full traduction for an application to the Launchpad, but after of 4 days it's not accepted :\03:00
fabbionejbailey: i already had breakfast thanks :)03:00
mfuentes%s/traduction/translation :)03:00
Kinnisonmfuentes: it's possible some people only do stuff on the weekends03:01
Kinnisonmfuentes: Or are busy/travelling/whatever03:01
Kinnisonmfuentes: I'm sure they'll be very grateful for your efforts, once they get to them :-)03:01
mfuentesKinnison, Ok, 03:01
Kinnisonmfuentes: But in case they're not too vocal about it. Thank you for your effort :-)03:02
KinnisonOne day I may need to rely on rosetta to translate an app for me, so I'm very pleased with everyone who does it already03:02
mfuentesHow I do to manage the es_CL translation for SchoolTool?03:03
KinnisonI'm afraid I don't know03:04
Kinnisonjordi: are you around to help mfuentes ?03:04
mfuentesI complete the es and es_CL translations because two public School in my City have planned try SchoolTool, by this reason I want to administer it.03:11
mptjbailey: I asked you in the bug report instead03:13
jbaileympt: Cool.  Replied alrady.03:14
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salgadostub, still around?03:20
stubYo03:23
stublifeless: ping03:23
lifelessstub: yay03:23
lifelessmark wants to rollout something03:23
stubDid you try calling twice btw?03:23
lifelessand I want to rollout bzr03:23
lifelessyes, 4 times actually, but bangkoks phone system seems fragile03:23
Kinnisongod this takes ages03:23
Kinnisonit's still sat pondering the same branch it was pondering when it crashed out before03:24
stubHmm... ta. I'm expecting a call but it sounds like it might have gotten lost :-(03:24
lifelessKinnison: yes, its unflattenting the graph03:24
lifelessKinnison: it has 15K patch logs to process03:24
Kinnisonpicking it up by its cojones and shaking hard?03:24
SteveAKinnison: baz or bzr or something else?03:24
KinnisonSteveA: bzr's from-baz conversion03:24
KinnisonSteveA: did you ask jbailey for a RHPS ticket?03:24
SteveARHPS?03:25
Kinnisonrocky horror03:25
SteveAno, didn't know it was on03:25
lifelessstub: so, mark wants to get HEAD out to production03:25
SteveAand i didn't bring any fetish clothing ;-)03:25
stubNow? I thought he wanted a rollout Sunday?03:26
lifelessstub: 'my top priority today'03:26
lifelessstub: 'is lp rollout and then convert to bzr for lp'03:26
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stubok03:27
lifelessstub: so - do you want to do the rollout, or for me to practice my rusty skills ? :)03:29
stubI can do it unless you have a pressing need to test the updated db and code rollout docs03:29
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lifelessdo you want to try a bzr based rollout ?03:30
lifelessi.e. I can switch to bzr now, and then we rllout that ?03:30
stublifeless: I was just going to baz switch this one03:32
stublifeless: I can test out rollout procedures at my leasure on staging then03:32
lifelessstub: ok03:32
Kinnisonlifeless: so it's time?03:32
lifelessKinnison: today yes.03:33
Kinnisonrock on03:33
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Kinnisonbzr is so much fun03:33
lifelessstub: I'll convert HEAD to bzr now then, as you dont need to rollout HEAD03:33
stuberm.. that is exactly what I was rolling out?03:34
lifelessHEAD03:34
lifelessbut you tag/branch/merge from HEAD03:35
lifelessyou dont need to commit TO HEAD03:35
stubok ;)03:35
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lifelessmpt: you've missed it03:36
salgadostub, is it possible to add some extra changesets to this rollout?03:37
mptmeh03:37
stubsalgado: No. Its already in progress and you won't be able to land if robert is playing with bzr.03:37
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lifelessstub: what are you rolling out? 1.39 or a patch to 1.38 ?03:43
Kinnisoncan we stop jamesh's pending-reviews stuff while we do this?03:44
stubI was just going to rollout --devel--patch-2733 (patch-2734 can't be rolled out without also doing the Librarian)03:44
Kinnisonit'll free up a whole lot of chinstrap's IO bandwidth?03:44
lifelessstub: I mean as in 'what is the output branch' ?03:45
stub--devel--patch-273303:45
lifelessstub: ah, so not even a branch/tag of it ?03:46
jbaileympt: Ah thanks.03:46
jbaileyThe message I got where mpt marked a bug as a dup didn't come back as a reply to the previous one.  I wonder if correct behaviour is for that to show up as a reply to my message?03:46
stublifeless: I can send a tag later.03:46
lifelessstub: sure. but what do you want it to be ?03:47
lifelessstub: I cleaned up all th epermissions in anticipation03:47
stub1.38 is fine. I'll tag on that branch03:47
jameshKinnison: I've disabled the cronjob.  Do you want me to kill the currently running job?03:47
lifelessstub: 1.38 exists already.. so this is a second tag on the branch? (Just to be sure we are clear)03:47
stublifeless: yes03:48
lifelessok03:48
Kinnisonjamesh: if it's nearly finished, leave it, otherwise I'd suggest we free up as much of chinstrap's IO for bzr conversions as possible03:48
jameshKinnison: looks like it is close to the start03:49
stublifeless: tag request sent03:49
jbaileyOoo.  LP returns the right response code when it's down: 503 Service Unavailable03:49
jameshKinnison: stopped03:49
mptjbailey: Don't look too closely at the HTML :-)03:50
lifelessBZR IS GO03:50
Kinnisonlifeless: converted and updated the dists?03:50
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jbaileympt: That sounds like "quick, don't think of elephants!"03:52
jbaileympt: But it is amusing. =)03:52
lifelessKinnison: yes, they were converted last week, and we've been migrating line by line as each thing came across03:52
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mptjbailey: I'm no Lakoff03:53
lifelessKinnison: thats what bzr being go mean s:)03:55
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lifelessstub: can you ping when lp is back04:01
lifelessthanks :)04:01
stubsure04:01
lifelessyour tag mirrored04:05
mptE: Couldn't find package bzrtools04:14
ajmitchmpt: not in breezy, sorry :)04:15
mptright, so it's supposed to be on bazaar.canonical.com04:16
mptbut apparently not04:16
ajmitchsleep time, flight in the morning04:16
ajmitchbye04:17
mpttchau04:17
mptjbailey: are bzrtools supposed to be in http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/ ?04:18
lifelessmpt: are you looking at rocketfuelsetup ?04:18
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lifelessstub: hows it going ?04:19
mptlifeless: No, at MovingToBazNG04:19
mpter, MoveToBazNG, rather04:19
stublifeless: Indexes rebuilding04:19
lifelessmpt: and you updated your sources list ?04:20
lifelessmpt: there is a missing step - sudo aptitude update04:20
lifelessand then sudo aptitude install bzr bzrtools paramiko python2.4-bazaar04:20
mptI did all that, except with apt-get rather than aptitude04:21
lifelesssame diff04:21
Kinnisonlifeless: are jbailey's integration packages enough these days?04:21
lifelessshould be04:22
Kinnisoncoolio04:22
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KinnisonIt'd be nice if cm.py gave more output04:22
Kinnisonit sits there saying nothing for aaaages04:22
lifelessyes. 04:23
Kinnisoneven the standard bzr progress bars would do04:24
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Kinnisonalso, it sat there for about 20 minutes 'til I realised what was wrong with my commandline04:24
KinnisonI.E. I'd missed 'build'04:25
KinnisonIs it doing sftp internally (without invoking ssh?)04:27
SteveAstub: ping04:27
lifelessKinnison: yes04:27
stubSteveA: pong04:27
SteveAstub: after the production roll-out, can you please change all of the specs that appear on carlos' own specs page that are on the launchpad product to be targetted to the rosetta product04:28
stubWhat specs appear on that page? I don't know the code. All the specs he is the owner for, or something else?04:29
SteveAi asked carlos to assign them to launchpad rather than rosetta, but that was a mistake04:29
SteveAyeah, ones where he's the owner04:29
lifelessso04:29
lifelessnow we are on bzr, its easier to do a dumb-zope3-snapshot04:29
lifelessdo we need a new zope3 ?04:29
SteveAnot today04:30
SteveAbut i soon04:30
SteveAbut soon04:30
Kinnisonlifeless: cute04:30
Kinnisonlifeless: does it support all of the .ssh/config stuff?04:30
Kinnisonlifeless: like proxycommands etc04:30
lifelessno04:30
Kinnison:-(04:30
lifelesswe will be moving to a different implementation called conch soonish04:31
Kinnisonright, does that support it?04:31
lifelesswell, 'will' = 95% probability04:31
lifelessand it supports -more- of it.04:31
bradblifeless: I also get the "E: Couldn't find package bzrtools" problem. Yes, I've got the three extra lines in sources.list. Yes, I apt-get update'd. Running on ppc, in case that matters.04:32
lifelessbradb: ah. 04:32
lifelessjbaileys repo is ix86 only. that will be it.04:32
lifelessmpt: you are on mac right ?04:32
mptlifeless: no, x8604:32
bradbi looked though and saw "powerpc" suffixes on some bzrtools04:32
bradbin jbailey's repo04:32
lifelessmpt: hmm. then you should have it04:32
lifelessjbailey: ping04:33
jbaileylifeless: pong04:35
lifelessjbailey: can you help mpt here ?04:36
lifelessjbailey: something funny getting bzrtools from your repo04:36
mptIt's working now04:37
mptmysteriously04:37
bradbnot for me04:37
jbaileympt: I'm wrestling with the scripts.  Every morning I wake up, the directory is empty.  When I run the scripts by hand, they work correctly.04:38
bradboh, but after an update again it worked04:38
jbaileyThe joy of deleted files on unix being that it's silly hard to tell what deleted it.04:38
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spaynewhat's up with launchpad atm?04:38
SteveAspayne: doing a roll-out04:39
SteveAof the latest code04:39
spaynenice one SteveA 04:39
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elmostub: ?04:43
stubelmo: ?04:43
elmostub: jamesh needs access to production db, what would be a good machine for that from your POV?04:44
elmostub: also, pg_hba.conf on emperor could do with an update, asuka and hutte are no longer importd machines and belgrano no longer runs roundup04:45
stubWhy the real db and what level of access?04:45
elmostub: > jameesh, I was thinking maybe macquarie?04:45
elmostub: <points at stevea>, something to do with scheduling, I imagine RO will do, from what he described04:46
lifelesselmo: macquarie04:46
lifelessstub: for scheduling the conference04:46
lifelessstub: definately ro acess04:46
lifelessstub: needed tables is probably - specs, sprints, people, calendars04:46
stubI'll just let him connect as the ro user04:47
SteveAstub: RO is fine04:47
lifelessworks for me04:47
elmook, jamesh has an account on macquarie04:47
lifelessdanke04:47
SteveAthanks04:48
spaynehey elmo04:49
bradblifeless: sorry, where did you say i can get a tarball of config-manager to build on ppc?04:49
lifelessbradb: you can eithe run from source - its python, no building needed - or pull the sid source package/binary package04:50
lifelessbradb: specifics for each path after you choose apath :)04:50
bradblifeless: source sounds good04:51
lifelessbradb: bzr branch sftp://chisntrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/source/rollouts/config-manager04:52
stublaunchpad is backup04:52
stubjamesh: psql -d launchpad_prod -H emperor -U ro04:52
stuberm... -h04:53
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siretartlaunchpad is looking even nicer now! thanks for everyone involved!05:01
siretarts/for/to/05:01
bradblifeless: looks good, thanks05:02
stublifeless: launchpad is back up05:05
lifelessk05:05
lifelessstub: did you not say that 10 minutes ago ?05:05
stubSteveA: changed the specs05:05
stublifeless: yes, but I hadn't pinged you05:06
lifeless00:52 < stub> launchpad is backup05:06
lifeless:)05:06
lifelessstub: ah, well - thanks :)05:06
salgadostub, have you cleaned the membership/participation entries for merged accounts already?05:06
stubsalgado: yes05:07
salgadostub, great. ta05:07
SteveAthanks stub 05:09
SteveAcarlos: please check the rosetta specs are as you need them05:09
carlosok05:09
carlosSteveA, stub all specs are in place. Thank you !05:10
SteveAthank stub ;-)05:11
carlosmpt, https://launchpad.net/projects/launchpad/+specs is still a broken link, I know you detected it, but I don't know if you were fixing it05:11
mptcarlos: no, I wasn't05:12
stubBed!05:12
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carlosstub, night!05:12
lifelessstub: thanks. night05:16
lifelesscarlos: try 05:16
lifelessproducts/launchpad/+specs05:17
carloslifeless, I know about that other URL05:18
lifelesscarlos: ok05:18
carloslifeless, but we have a broken link to the other one from https://launchpad.net/projects/launchpad05:19
carloslifeless, and the idea is to be able to see all specs related to the project05:19
lifelessyah05:21
lifelessstub: I think your rsync recipe gets the parent wrong for the rbanch05:24
lifeless*branches*05:24
mptlifeless: Will all the baz-specific stuff disappear from RocketFuelSetup shortly?05:25
lifelesshahah05:25
lifelessdude, refresh :)05:25
mptahhhhhh05:26
mptthankyou05:26
mptWhat is "pushing a branch"?05:27
LarstiQlifeless: any reason those apt-get install lines aren't folded into one?05:27
lifelessmpt: its archive-mirror, bnut from url to url, not from namespace to the namespaces output locations05:27
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lifelessLarstiQ: uhm, history ?05:28
LarstiQlifeless: ah, ok05:31
Kinnisonlifeless: any word on when we're gonna get faster bzr fetching?05:32
Kinnisonlifeless: I'm still checking out a launchpad work area05:33
Kinnisonand I started it > 1h ago05:33
lifelessKinnison: its in the ipeline05:33
lifelessKinnison: there are instructions on MoveToBazNG about doing it faster via rsync05:33
lifelessKinnison: and once you have a tree, you should *never* need to pull a fresh one05:33
KinnisonI guess I'll tar this one up for keeps then05:34
Kinnisonit's mostly latency which hurts us, yes?05:36
bradbKinnison: So, I should expect a feedback message from cm.py after about 20 minutes of it running, right?05:36
Kinnisonbradb: no05:36
Kinnisonbradb: expect no feedback05:36
Kinnisonbradb: none whatsoever05:37
bradb:/05:37
Kinnisonbradb: well, you get the rant about a logger :-)05:37
Kinnisonlifeless: PYTHONPATH=~/bzr-integration/integration cm.py build   554.89s user 43.99s system 13% cpu 1:11:34.12 total05:37
Kinnisonyeesh05:37
lifelessKinnison: latency.05:37
lifelessKinnison: why tar? pull --clobber, or cp -a05:38
lifelesspull --clobber to switch branches, and cp -a to make a new checkout of everything locally05:38
KinnisonI see05:38
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lifelessread the latest rocketfuelsetup page05:39
Kinnisonwhich wiki?05:39
lifelessthere is only one wiki that that is on05:39
SteveAi want one place where people can read about what to do05:41
KinnisonOh, the w.c.c is a pointer05:41
SteveAthis spead over three different pages thing is confusing05:41
lifelessSteveA: it used to be one page, pqmsetup was forked out some time back, ad mark suggested specific migrationdoco05:41
lifelessSteveA: I agree that it is confusing and we need to make it better05:41
lifelessI'm working towards that at the moment.05:41
SteveAthanks05:42
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mpthrmmm, debconf crashed while asking me about postfix05:45
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lifelessspeak of the devil05:46
lifeless01:45 < mpt> hrmmm, debconf crashed while asking me about postfix05:46
lamontsounds like a debconf bug. :-)05:48
mptIt does indeed05:48
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mptand now "Preconfiguring packages..." is stuck, perhaps waiting for debconf to return05:50
KinnisonSteveA: is the sab around?06:03
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SteveAKinnison: yes06:08
SteveAKinnison: very busy though.  do you need an answer today?06:08
KinnisonSteveA: Well, I want to know if that's what he wanted from the function06:08
KinnisonSteveA: so a 10 second read of that nopaste and a "yes" will do nicely06:08
KinnisonSteveA: if it's a "no" then I guess it'll take longer, but I think I have everything06:08
SteveAideally, it would wait until saturday.  we're doing planning, and in 1.5 hours, he's off on an international trip.06:09
Kinnisonurgh06:12
KinnisonI'll assume the answer is "yes"06:12
Kinnisonit shouldn't be far wrong06:12
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matsubaraDoes anybody know if it's possible to add radio button widgets to autogenerated forms? I need to do a autogenerated form for ProductSeries +source that has 2 radio buttons, one for each rcstype: cvs and svn. I would like to make them like the shipit Request Details form, but using autogenerated fields. Could somenone help me with that?06:19
zygacool so launchpad is back up06:20
zygais there any way to get my karma back?06:20
zygahow can I create a new specification?06:22
zygathere is no link in the specs tab06:22
SteveAzyga: what karma is that?06:23
SteveAzyga: go into a 'context' such as a distro or product and make the spec there06:23
zygaSteveA: I had about 4K karma before the great reset06:23
SteveAto do with rosetta?06:23
zygayes06:23
SteveAhmm... the problem is that the karma data had been totally corrupted06:24
zyga:/06:24
zygacannot my translations be counted again?06:24
SteveAso, it just isn't possible to turn back time on this06:24
zygaI had commited the whole po for gcc06:24
zygaSteveA: can you help me create a new spec06:25
SteveAzyga: sure, what is the spec?06:26
zygaSteveA: NextGenerationLocalizationSystem (wikiword)06:26
zygaI cannot find any link to crate the spec06:26
SteveAjust a sec06:27
SteveAzyga: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs06:29
zygaah06:29
zygalaunchpad seems less and less intuitive IMHO :/06:29
zygathanks06:29
SteveAzyga: where did you try looking for this/06:29
SteveA?06:29
zygaSteveA: I logged in06:30
zygaSeveas: I clicked 'specifications' tab06:30
zygathat's pretty obvious06:30
carloszyga, that's exactly the link that SteveA gave you06:32
zygacarlos: hmmmmmmmm06:33
zygacarlos: wait06:33
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SteveAi think the confusing thing is that you need to go into a context06:33
zygahttps://launchpad.net/people/zkrynicki/+specs06:33
zygathat's my link06:33
SteveAand then file the spec from there06:33
zygaso no06:33
zygaI'm alredy creating the spec with the link SteveA provided06:33
SteveAbut, from other specs pages, it doesn't explain or help with that06:34
Kinnisonlaunchpad's "context first" approach confuses a lot of people06:34
zygaKinnison: yes06:34
KinnisonI think we need a launchpad walkthrough type guide06:34
zygaKinnison: I guess that's because I need to know for which distro the specs goes06:34
Kinnisonlinked at the bottom along with the legalese06:34
Kinnisonwhich explains06:34
zygabut I think also that a multiple vector form is good06:34
zygaif I come from people/zkrynicki then something could already be filled (spec by me)06:34
zygaif I come from /distros/ubuntu that's a spec for ubuntu06:35
zygaone path doesn't suit everything06:35
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sivangKinnison++06:42
Kinnisonsivang: ?06:42
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sivangKinnison: 17:34 < Kinnison> I think we need a launchpad walkthrough type guide06:47
Kinnisonoh right06:47
Kinnisoncare to write it?06:47
kokeKinnison: if lot of people get confused it's because maybe it's not a good idea06:47
kokemost people would expect persistent actions in a toolbar with that layout and position inside the page06:48
kokelike the rest of the web06:48
kokeanyway, the link names are not descriptive enough06:49
kokeit they were "XXXX for this product"06:49
Kinnisonkoke: I find that once you're used to the interface, it's very very easy and rapid to navigate06:49
sivangKinnison: I have some ideas for having a brief helper messages for every functionaliy, which would be essentially integrated into the gui. seems like it would be more beneficial then asking someone to to read a whole another new guide just to use launchpad06:49
kokepeople would understand it06:49
Kinnisonbut I do agree that they're not very discoverable06:49
sivangself explantory is my thought :)06:50
KinnisonHaving useful hover-over tooltips on the facets would be nice06:50
Kinnisonjust by setting title="" on the link you can do that I think06:50
sivanganyway, fellas, I need to get off work and start preperations :-)06:50
Kinnisonsee you06:50
kokeKinnison: the main problem is that there's no way to access different components with one-click06:50
kokeand this tabs should be expected to do that06:51
Kinnisonkoke: You've gotta be real careful saying "component" to me :-)06:51
Kinnisonkoke: I've spent the last year working on archives and components are something very very specific :-)06:51
sivangKinnison: let's talk about such a guide there , ok?06:51
Kinnisonsivang: heh, see you in .ca06:51
sivang:)06:51
kokeKinnison: ok, let's say rosetta, malone, specs,...06:52
sivangKinnison: laterz06:52
kokeI meant that06:52
koke:)06:52
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Kinnisonkoke: I think of those as the apps. but I'm probably wrong too.06:52
kokeat least it sounds quite more appropiate :)06:52
kokeanyway, see you at .ca06:54
kokehave to go now06:54
Kinnisoncya06:54
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ddaaWhere can I learn about the request object passed to View instances?07:20
lifelessSteveA: ^^^07:21
SteveAddaa: you can read the interfaces.  look up IBrowserRequest.  run '''ctags -R lib sourcecode''' in your launchpad root07:22
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SteveAand please add 'make ctags' as a makefile target that does exactly this07:25
NetDreamzhello07:25
SteveAdo not run '''ctags -R .''' as it will hang.  ctags bug.  reported by me.07:25
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lifelessSteveA: what about etags ?07:28
Kinnisonciao all07:30
SteveAlifeless: yeah, whatever07:31
NetDreamzhow long does it take to receive the ShipIt cd's?07:31
Belutzcould you make the launchpad redirect to our own page after logging in?07:31
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SteveABelutz: soon, it will redirect to whatever page you clicked the 'login' link from on logging in07:32
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BelutzSteveA, cool :)07:32
SteveABelutz: if you want it to go back to your own page, then log in to the link to your own home page07:32
SteveAlaunchpad already does this, except for the front page07:33
BelutzSteveA, ok07:33
Belutzapparently i always login from the from page, so i never knew about that one07:33
Belutzis the font in launchpad bigger? or is it my eyes?07:34
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bradblifeless: is it me or is bzr not installed on chinstrap? I'm following the "Using bzr remotely and rsyncing locally" instructions (it's already been a couple hours that I've been waiting for the tree to build over the network, had lunch, etc.), but I don't see bzr on chinstrap.07:37
ddaaSteveA: more specifically, say I have a page $branch/+graph?foo=bar&hell=world, how can I retrieve the query parameters from the request?07:37
SteveAddaa: request.form07:38
SteveAit is like a dict07:38
SteveAit will have a list of things in a dict value if you have more than one thing in the url07:39
SteveAlike ?foo=1&foo=207:39
SteveA {'foo':[1, 2] }07:39
niemeyerSteveA: I told him, but he'd like to hear from you.. :)07:41
ddaamh... you mean {'foo':['1','2'] } right?07:42
SteveAddaa: what he said ;-)07:42
SteveAddaa: yeah, what you said07:42
ddaaniemeyer: not true, you vaguely mentioned something about a form07:42
niemeyerddaa: I vaguely mentioned that the request should contain a form with the values.07:42
niemeyerddaa: And that you should look at the zope code to see what the form was.. :)07:42
ddaaI tried to. But since I did not find, I asked Steve.07:43
NetDreamzhow long does it take for the ship-it cd's to ship?07:43
NetDreamznormally?07:43
ddaaIn a static typing language, that would have been easier :P07:43
NetDreamzanyone?07:45
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bradbmpt: Are you building a tree over the network or on chinstrap?07:49
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jbaileyAre spec tracker bugs just under launchpad?07:51
bradbyes, AFAIK07:52
jbaileybradb: Thanks.07:54
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bradblifeless: ping?08:19
lifelesspong08:20
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bradblifeless: is it me or is bzr not installed on chinstrap?08:21
lifelessbradb: its not installed on chinstrap, as the rocketfuel setup and movetobazng pages both clearly show08:21
lifelessbradb: we're reving bzr -very- fast08:21
lifelessuntil we release 2.0, installing it would just be a pita08:22
bradblifeless: rest assured, if they clearly showed it, i wouldn't have asked :)08:22
bradbi guess that bzr branch command was a typo then?08:22
lifelessbradb: which one ?08:22
bradbe.g. bzr branch /home/warthogs/archives/rocketfuel/dists/devel configs08:22
lifelessbradb: which one ?08:22
lifelessbradb: where do you see that ?08:22
bradblifeless: last line of the first section of commands in "Using bzr remotely and rsyncing locally"08:23
bradbSo, both the section header and the command in question imply to me that bzr is meant to be on chinstrap, whether or not that's what you meant to say :)08:24
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lifelessbradb: its installed now08:30
lifelessFSVO installed08:30
bradbthanks08:31
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raider|ukrainelol08:41
raider|ukraine:)08:41
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salgadohttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/gnome-desktop08:58
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jordimfuentes: hello09:22
mfuenteshi09:25
jordican I help?09:25
mfuentesyes :)09:25
mfuentesHow I do to manage the es_CL translation for SchoolTool?09:25
mfuentesI complete the es and es_CL translations because two public School in my City have planned try SchoolTool, by this reason I want to administer it.09:26
bradblifeless: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileVy5b2J.html -- my import has been "hung" like this for the last 10-15 minutes (possibly longer.) is that expected?09:26
salgadoguys, I'm lost. what's the status of the baz2bzr conversion? is the rocketfuel baz archive already frozen?09:27
lifelessbradb: thats fine09:27
lifelessbradb: just leave it09:28
salgadolifeless, we still can send merge requests to pqm?09:28
bradblifeless: any estimates on how long a typical lp developer's archive conversion should take?09:28
salgadofor the launchpad tree09:28
lifelessbradb: a couple of hours09:28
bradbok09:29
lifelesssalgado: yes, via bzr09:29
jordimfuentes: hmm09:30
jordimfuentes: Why do you want an es_CL translation?09:30
jordiisn't es enough?09:30
mfuentesBecause the Chilean education uses a specials words for Teachers, Resources, Sections, etc.09:32
mfuentesTeacher =(es_CL) Docente09:32
mfuentesInstructor = Docente09:33
mfuentesand in (es) Profesor or Instructor09:34
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bradbdamn, I lost my connection to chinstrap09:37
bradbscreen it is, i guess09:37
kikoheya bradb 09:37
kikowanna come down at 18:30?09:37
mfuentesjordi, is't a good reason? or you think about an unified translation to the Spanish?09:37
bradbkiko:  for bof'ing or something else?09:37
kikobradb, shopping!09:39
bradbheh09:39
bradbpossibly...can i bring a girl if she's not too busy studying?09:39
mptbradb: not yet, just about to start09:41
kikobradb, dude, how can I refuse you bringing girls09:41
jordimfuentes: Docente would be acceptable in Spain too09:42
bradbkiko: heh09:42
jordimfuentes: but yes, if you have a special need, you could create a es_CL.09:42
bradbkiko: btw, just phoned le grand cycle09:42
mptMy girl is definitely too busy studying09:42
bradbthey're open till 7, ready for your pedals09:42
jordimfuentes: we try to avoid its as much as possible thouhh.09:42
kikobradb, rock09:43
bradbmpt: building the tree over the network? word of warning: don't!09:43
kikobradb, so 18:30 here, I guess09:43
mptKinnison: Like I've been saying to anyone who would listen, we need context-less "add stuff" forms that invite you to enter the context. A context-free spec registering page that starts by saying "What's this spec for?" A context-free bug reporting page that starts by saying "What's this bug in?" etc09:43
bradbkiko:  sure, sounds good...what should we arrange for picking up the bike?09:44
kikobradb, yeah -- can we get there in 30 minutes?09:44
mfuentesjordi, ok, thanks  (Gracias ;)09:44
bradbkiko: too tight, i think09:44
bradbit'd be better if we met at sherbrooke metro09:44
bradbat that time09:44
kikobradb, no cellphone?09:44
bradbno cellphone, unfortunately09:45
bradbi'm a caveman09:45
kikohrmph09:45
kikoyeah.09:45
kikoand it's close to sherbrooke?09:45
bradbyeah, just a few mins walk09:45
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jordimfuentes: I would try translating es to your Spanish variant09:46
coyote10hello09:46
jordimfuentes: what other "different" words do you think you'd end up usng?09:46
coyote10thanks 09:47
jordihello coyote10 09:47
coyote10i have my cds of ubuntu 09:47
jordikiko, carlos: can a template be "moved" from a branch to anotheR?09:48
kikojordi, that's a question for carlos more than me09:49
coyote10I obtained my yesterday compact disc of ubuntu09:49
coyote10hi jordi 09:49
jordikiko: k09:50
jordicoyote10: good!09:50
coyote10:-P09:51
jordisegfault: ping09:52
jordisegfault: this is pretty massive, your learnlinux request. I need to know more.09:53
bradbkiko: can you make it to sherbrooke metro by 18:30 then?09:57
jordisegfault: please contact me when you read this. I might be afk depending on the itme09:59
jordicarlos: ping?10:00
kikobradb, see privmsg10:01
bradboh, i always miss privmsg's with this client, argh10:02
mfuentesjordi, This weekend we will have a meeting where they will tell us as to translate the words so that be accord with the norms of the Minister of Education.10:03
jordimfuentes: good. I think you should try to go with only es at first10:05
jordiare you the Spanish translator, or does one exist already?10:05
jordimfuentes: it's very cool that Chile is moving to SchoolTool10:05
mfuentesI'm the translator10:05
mfuentesjordi, an es un proyecto, ojal de frutos :)10:07
jordimfuentes: muy buena suerte10:09
mptlifeless: still around?10:15
mfuentesjordi, I send an update translation to the launchpad, but after more of 4 days it's not accepted, can you accept it?10:18
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jordimfuentes: for SchoolTool?10:19
mfuentesyes10:19
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jordiis it valid?10:19
jordiie, does it pass msgfmt -cv es.po?10:19
mfuentesoutput: 508 mensajes traducidos, 6 traducciones difusas.10:20
mfuentesjordi, I tranlate 'ID' as 'Identificador', is ok?10:21
jordimfuentes: yes10:21
jordiunless it takes too much space in the Schooltool ui10:22
jordimfuentes: you'll find out when testing the translation10:22
lifelessmpt: yes10:24
mfuentesok, I need the HEAD versin, I get it and testing my traslation10:24
mptlifeless: Is it necessary to have .../archives/mpt/mpt@canonical.com/launchpad..., or should it just be .../archives/mpt/launchpad...?10:27
bradblifeless: hm, this import appears to not be budging (same screen as before)10:27
lifelessmpt: short answer - no, long answer - the eparate is to ensure that you do onot conflict if you have (say) launchpad--devel--0 in two archives10:28
ddaampt: I want to put a string that contains "&" and other chars like that into an attribute of a page template10:28
lifelessmpt: but you should follow the exact instructions, and move stuff up long level later if you want to.10:28
ddaampt: but zope keeps on escaping the & into &amp;10:28
ddaahow can I prevent that?10:28
lifelessbradb: one sec.10:28
mptddaa: where is the string? in python?10:29
ddaaYes, it's returned by a method of the view class10:29
mptWhy don't you want it to be &amp;?10:29
mpti.e. what's it for?10:29
lifelessbradb: looks fine to me10:29
ddaait's for passing form parameters10:30
lifelessbradb: load average is 11 for chinstrap10:30
bradblifeless: ah, ok10:30
ddaa+foo?bar=baz&hello=world10:30
ddaaI mean we CAN second guess the correct values after they are mangled, but that's not right for any value of right.10:31
salgadoddaa, are you using this in a tal:content or tal:replace?10:31
ddaatal:attributes10:31
salgadoddaa, try tal:attributes="foo structure:view/yourmethod"10:31
salgadothis should work, I guess10:31
ddaait says, roughly, "never heard of structure, you idiot"10:31
ddaaI can give you the exact error message if you want10:32
salgadono need to10:32
mptddaa: If this is for in an href, you really do want them to be &amp;10:33
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ddaampt: we both think you are on crack10:33
ddaame and niemeyer10:33
mptthem's fighting words10:33
ddaaThe error we get is: PTRuntimeError: ['Compilation failed', 'zope.tal.taldefs.TALError: Unrecognized expression type "structure". in expression \'structure:row/query\', at line 27, column 11'] 10:34
kikoddaa, niemeyer: href's that contain & need to change them to be &amp;s10:34
niemeyerkiko: Even inside an href/src attribute!?10:34
ddaaActually, it's a img@src10:34
ddaabut it's same thing, isn't it?10:34
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kikoniemeyer, yes, even inside an href/src attribute.10:34
mptddaa: http://htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/problems.html.en#amp10:34
kiko<a href="foo.py?bar=1&amp;baz=2">aha</a>10:35
niemeyerWOW!10:35
niemeyer:-)10:35
ddaaI knew that html was bad... but THAT bad?10:36
niemeyerkiko: Thanks for enlightening our poor souls..10:36
ddaaThank guys for your patience.10:36
kikosure. as for structure, don't prefix it with a colon.10:36
kikosalgado was trying to confuse you.10:36
niemeyerI love when the bug is in the programmer..10:37
kikohowever10:37
salgadoI always do that10:37
kikoI don't think it makes sense to use define and structure together10:37
niemeyerkiko: Yes, we've seen that.. tal:attr doesn't support structure.. was just a dummy try.10:37
kikotal:attr?10:37
niemeyerattribute10:38
kikoI didn't quite understand you.10:38
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kikoniemeyer, attribute?10:38
kikool camilotelles 10:38
kikosalgado, you do? can I see an example?10:38
salgadokiko, I always try to confuse people10:38
niemeyerkiko: tal:attributes="foobar structures foobar" is not supported10:38
niemeyerstructure10:39
camilotelleshi kiko10:39
kikoniemeyer, yes, right.10:39
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kikoniemeyer, you can use replace or content.10:39
kikobut that's all10:39
kikoattributes = structure is a bit odd however10:39
Griotte53hi lla10:39
Griotte53all10:39
Griotte53who can help me please???i have some pb with ubuntu live for x86,i have a sempron 2800+10:40
Griotte53i believe the pb come from my processor10:40
niemeyerkiko: Yes, doesn't make sense, now that we know that & shouldn't be there unescaped anyway.10:40
kikoGriotte53, that's unlikely, since a sempron is known to be fully x86-compatible10:42
Griotte53ok thx mate10:42
Griotte53kiko:  because with my other(p4) it's ok10:43
Griotte53i don't mind, i m going to use some  different cd10:44
kikoGriotte53, likely that the issue is with some other bit of hardware, though.10:44
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Griotte53kiko:  where are you from??i m french and at present a lot of people are cominf to linux,it s great10:45
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j^right now packages.ubuntu.com points for packages in universe to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/$SOURCE/+bugs10:49
j^but this link no longer works10:49
j^but be nice if p.u.c or launchpad.net could be fixed 10:50
SteveAj^: right.  the link on p.u.c. should include the distribution release name10:52
SteveAlike 'breezy'10:52
j^SteveA i know, but i was told here it would also allways work without10:53
j^its just that it worked until last week10:53
SteveAokay, i just talked with kiko10:54
SteveAand i'm told that launchpad should deal with such urls10:54
SteveAbradb: hi10:54
kikoit definitely should10:54
SteveAbradb: NullSourcePackage doesn't seem to be working10:54
SteveAin production10:54
kikobradb, what's the url for a distro source pacakge10:54
bradbkiko: path is /distros/ubuntu/+source/whatever10:55
SteveAthanks brad10:55
kikoNOT +sources10:55
SteveAj^: so, the url on p.u.c. is incorrect10:55
kikoof course10:55
kikobecause that would mean that it would be CONVENIENT10:55
bradbmark didn't seem concerned with linkrot when he made the change10:55
SteveAdid it used to be +sources ?10:56
bradbso there's various rotten links out there now, e.g. in the ubuntu forums10:56
bradbSteveA: yeah10:56
bradbSteveA: btw, it's not a NullSourcePackage, it's a DistributionSourcePackage (which i did a simple version of to suit my needs and mark completely rewrote not that long ago)10:57
SteveAok10:57
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j^so distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources works but it does not without breezy?10:58
SteveAso, someone should mail frank lichtenfeld at the email address in the p.u.c. footer10:58
j^while +source works with and without breezy10:58
SteveAand ask him to remove the 's' on the end of '+sources'10:58
bradbj^: Yeah. I *think* I recall mark saying he didn't want +sources to work on just the distro name. It shouldn't be that long though before we change that. :)10:58
j^bradb good, just wanted to let you know and hope you find a way with frank + keep the url a bit more stable 11:01
kikobradb, please change that today rs=kiko <wink>11:02
bradbkiko: in the midst of a bzr migration!11:02
bradbload of 11 last lifeless mentioned on chinstrap, so it's, um, slow.11:02
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bradbhm, 13.70, 12.26, 11.22...11:05
kikoyeah11:05
kikoI was thinking of running it, but..11:05
bradbyou should start now. it might day a day or two11:05
bradbmine is still on the second of 83 branches11:07
kikoI only have 5 branches11:07
bradbwhoa11:08
mpt]  revisions 0/8 -:--:--11:08
bradbmpt: what does "baz branches | wc -l" print for you?11:08
mpt4711:09
bradbsounds about right11:09
kikoI get 411:09
mptthat "-:--:--" hasn't changed in the past hour11:09
mptshould it have?11:09
bradbmpt: nope11:09
bradbmpt: load is high. chinstrap is creaking.11:10
mptok, home time then11:10
mpttomorrow can be Spec Day11:10
mpttchau11:10
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matsubaraDoes anybody know what permission should I use on the +edit form for ProductSeries? I'm changing it to an autogenerated one and the old one was: launchpad.AnyPerson, I changed it to launchpad.Edit. Does that make sense? I need some opinios here on the implications of this change.11:17
kikomatsubara, I think ddaa was in accord with this change, IIRC -- ddaa?11:22
bradbmatsubara: launchpad.AnyPerson is a "special" permission that will authorize any logged-in user. it's acceptable when you allow, effectively, "wiki-mode" editing of an object. if you wish to have more specific authorization than "is the person logged in", then you want launchpad.Edit.11:22
ddaaThen Edit is fine with me.11:23
ddaaProduct owners like to to feel... ownership.11:23
matsubarathank you11:24
bradbmatsubara: you can see examples of how to write that custom code for the launchpad.Edit check for a specific interface in lib/canonical/launchpad/security.py11:24
kikobradb, matsubara: however I think that a regular launchpad.Edit should work fine11:25
kiko(with no custom code)11:25
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bradbi *think* in that case it would run the checker EditSeriesSourceByButtSource11:29
kikoarhamm11:32
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sivanganyboy here are scheduled to arrive on the 29th eveningish ?11:39
sivangs/boy/body/11:39
bradbkiko: i'm heading off soon to sherbrooke metro...is the plan to head back to the hotel with the bike right after/maybe get something to eat?11:46
kikobradb, hmmm, I'm easy, but I wonder where I'm keeping the bike 11:47
bradbin your room?11:50
bradbif they allow that. if not, they must have some safe storage area somewhere.11:51
kikoI can only imagine. I'll ask before leaving11:51
bradbkiko: i just asked. they've got a storage area.11:56
kikowow, cool11:56
bradband it doesn't cost any extra, which is a bonus11:58
kikosweetness12:02
bradbright, i'm heading off then. see you at sherbrooke metro, at the exit for the 24 est.12:03
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