[12:04] hmmm [12:04] where are our gina-logs? === BjornT_ [n=bjorn@84.32.140.183] has joined #launchpad === camilotelles_ [n=Camilo@20132194128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #launchpad [12:39] kiko === matsubara-dinner is now known as matsubara [12:42] fala gneuman, matsubara [12:42] fala kiko! [12:42] como esto as coisas por a? [12:42] tudo certo [12:44] kiko, mudar as urls quebradsa facil? [12:45] i mean fix the url for productrelease [12:45] sorry? [12:46] is ti easy to fiz the url's for productrelease? [12:47] rihgt now they are productname/productrelease [12:47] they should be product/productseries/productrelease [12:49] gneuman, has anyone confirmed that they should be changed? [12:49] it shouldn't be difficult, no [12:49] just change the navigation [12:50] bug 2895 [12:50] Malone bug #2895: Releases with the same directory name causes an error Fix req. for: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Diogo Matsubara, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2895 [12:50] where can i find it in the source? === feehan [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad === interalia [n=interali@adsl-60-232.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #launchpad [01:33] does anybody know where can I find the file for constants on launchpad? Like the one that defines numbers for emailaddress.STATUS? I need the constants for rcstypes === Keybuk [n=scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #launchpad [01:35] matsubara: dbschema.py? 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It's about automatic syncing to SVN [10:37] Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--production--1.38: [trivial] Cherry picks (patch-4: christian.reis@canonical.com, stuart.bishop@canonical.com, rocketfuel@canonical.com ...) === looksaus [n=looksaus@ip-83-134-125-56.dsl.scarlet.be] has left #launchpad ["Looksaus] [10:54] zyga, no know date yet [10:54] zyga, but I suppose it will happen after UBZ [10:54] jordi, sure [10:56] hey ajmitch , just now noticed you greeted me :) [10:56] carlos: okay thanks === Belutz [n=Belutz@202.155.150.72] has joined #launchpad [11:15] can i use gtranslator to translate then upload the .po file to rosetta? [11:17] Belutz: be careful [11:18] Belutz: gtranslator has unfixed bug that corrupts some messages [11:18] Belutz: header is almos always broken because of incorrect handling of multiline messages [11:19] so, is there any other way to translate offline ? [11:19] Belutz: sure, other programs or plain gedit/vim [11:19] Belutz: kbabelfish works if you like kde [11:20] oh i could use gedit? ok :-) [11:22] Belutz: I was trying to fix gedit but it had gotten pretty ugly quckly [11:22] I had to rewrite the whole parser [11:22] s/gedit/gtranslator/ [11:22] but I've heard that next gtranslator version are using other parsers and work great [11:23] that would be great :) [11:23] poedit is good === zyga checks poedit [11:23] or gedit :) [11:23] should i fill this field Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: in the po file? === Belutz checks poedit too === zyga would like kbabelfish like thingy for gedit [11:24] it's way more advanced [11:25] anyhow this is not really a translation support chan [11:25] mdke: is there any? === mdke searches chanserv [11:26] doesn't look like it [11:27] #i18n on irc.gimp.net i guess [11:37] zyga, gtranslator was using the parser from gettext not sure if they did a stable release with that parser already... === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #launchpad [11:42] carlos: the bug persists in breezy so I guess not === zyga was really waiting for breezy === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132194128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #launchpad [12:04] the HTML code for the "Someone should review this translation" checkbox is [12:04] [12:05] the tabindex:= is a bug, hack, or what?? [12:05] the : sounds like a bug [12:06] nice catch koke :) [12:06] koke: are you in .ca alreadY? [12:07] jordi: no, I land Saturday at ~19:00 [12:09] k [12:09] I'll be there on Tue [12:20] hey Kinnison [12:21] hi sivan === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === uws_ is now known as uws [12:51] I've heard of a few people already traveling. Is there a launchpad meeting this week? [12:51] no [12:51] see /topic [12:51] awesome [12:51] so easily pleased [12:52] Now that you mention it, I was rarely disapointed at christmas [12:53] well, except for that year that I received sea monkeys... [12:53] sea monkeys were great fun [12:53] Not when you're eight years old and wake up at 4 am. [12:53] but then again, I was part of a team writing a game called sea monkeys [12:53] Throw a bunch of magic pets into tap water, wait five minutes... _flush_ === Kinnison laughs [12:54] they actually grow quite big if you let 'em [12:54] eat each other [12:55] So what happened to the great bzr switchover of doom? [12:55] Yeah. I got some for my daughter when she turned ten. Unlike me, she actually read the directions. She didn't notice any sort of cannibalism. [12:55] she didn't leave them without food for days then, did she? [12:55] Her? Nah. She's Mrs. Responsibility. [12:55] oh! [12:55] rabbit [12:55] brb [12:55] jblack: *g* === jblack snickers [12:56] She actually devised a plan for her hermit crab for the ten days I'll be away. For a hermit crab. [12:56] hey, given your skitty brain she's probably making up for you :-) === Kinnison knows his partner Rob is the organised one [12:57] Oh, she's a livesaver. Best money I ever spent. === Kinnison laughs [12:57] stub: gina, on staging, what's the dealio? === jblack heads to bed [12:58] I did a code update about an hour or two ago and started a fresh run. [12:58] Oh, to answer your baz-ng question, we got close. really close. [12:58] Everyone is going to be happy, methinks. === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:59] stub: she just appears to have stopped, that's all [12:59] stub: but gina.sh is still there [12:59] oh [12:59] oh hang on, is this statistician thing part of it? [12:59] it is rebuilding marks full text indexes. [12:59] yup [01:00] Takes maybe 10 mins [01:00] right [01:00] Or 30... don't really know ;) === Kinnison is sitting staring at the publisher trying to work out how to make it take less memory [01:01] Goooooooood morning [01:01] hi mpt === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@201.15.27.115] has joined #launchpad [01:06] stub: right, that rollout.py finished [01:06] stub: now how do I update the db etc? [01:06] anyone: could someone add #ubuntu-translators to the topic so that translation specific issues could be taken there? [01:07] Kinnison: The usual way? [01:07] Or did you have a leftover script of mine that took care of it? [01:08] stub: I was always doing "make -f Makefile.dogfood" and waiting [01:08] cd launchpad; make; cd database/schema; env LPCONFIG=dogfood python upgrade.py -d launchpad_dogfood -U postgres -H ''; env LPCONFIG=dogfood python fti.py -f launchpad_dogfood -U postgres -H ''; env LPCONFIG=dogfood python security.py -d launchpad_dogfood -U postgres -H '' [01:09] why don't we have an "upgrade" target in the database/schema makefile? [01:09] Kinnison: Ok. there are rules in there - dbupgrade etc. [01:09] Kinnison: Feel free to add one ;) === Kinnison looks [01:09] Its your makefile [01:09] what? database/schema/Makefile ? [01:10] Oh... erm. Sure. [01:10] I didn't read the path - thought you meant Makefile.dogfood === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [01:10] good morning! [01:12] jbailey: ping === ddaa [n=ddaa@201.15.27.115] has joined #launchpad === Kinnison watches mawson grind and groan === ddaa [n=ddaa@201.15.27.115] has joined #launchpad [01:29] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-drivers <-- 'There are 5 direct members of the "Ubuntu Drivers" team.' but the list has only four items [01:29] weird [01:32] koke: 4 members and 1 team? [01:32] koke, that's because one of the members is another team. but yes, that team should be listed as one of the direct members too [01:32] I know, the Ubuntu Technical Board is just below [01:32] but in another section [01:32] so the number should be 4 [01:33] For people who care, dogfood should be back running now [01:35] "When I first came up with the idea of Launchpad Pro, I had no idea how tough it would be to market a new product in the highly competitive golf aid market." [01:36] hmmm, / Overview \/ Bugs \/ Support \/ Bounties \/ Specifications \/ Translations \/ Calendar \/ Golf \ [01:39] launchpad-golf -- getting to the information you want in the fewest possible keystrokes/clicks === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [01:42] Kinnison: great title for a LaunchpadUsability BOF :) [01:42] jblack: so when do we do the transfer of launchpad--* ? [01:42] koke: true :-) [01:42] hey cprov [01:42] Kinnison: hey === jinty [n=jinty@p54BF7CB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [01:48] Kinnison: ? [01:49] lifeless: I mean, everything but launchpad--devel--0 appears to be in bzr now [01:49] lifeless: so when do we switch to launchpad itself being in bzr? [01:49] today I hope [01:49] we'll see what the agenda is after breakfast [01:50] you should convert your branches in prparation === Kinnison has, cunningly, finished merging all his branches === Kinnison can do a clean switch with no conversions === Kinnison lunches [01:51] well [01:51] I'd like them converted nayway [01:51] so that we can get good annotate results etc [01:52] urgh [01:52] last time I tried it crashed [01:52] but okay === Kinnison guesses he can chew chinstrap time [01:52] Kinnison: what does cunningly mean? [01:52] review teh rfs page [01:52] (rehi all montreal based launchpadders :- ) [01:52] its got history reuse now which makes it a hellof a lot faster [01:52] Does that mean I'll have to set up my baz archive on my clean Breezy install? [01:52] narf. [01:52] mp no [01:53] mpt: no. conversion is done on chinstrap [01:53] ok === lifeless -> food [01:59] lifeless: Conversion still takes days (possibly weeks - I think spiv finished his so he might know) [02:01] carlos: ping [02:01] zyga, pong [02:01] carlos: sorry for bothering you but no-one seems to respond [02:01] carlos: I've set up #ubuntu-translators [02:01] for translation specific issues [02:01] coul you add a short note about that to the topic? [02:02] sure [02:02] thanks :-) [02:02] mpt: regarding the description editing in malone, I tried to edit the description - but it copied the previous description as a new comment, and refreshed the current description. Is this really needed? e.g., when I'm editing the bug description I don't expect the previous one to become a "comment" === ..[topic/#launchpad:carlos] : Discussion with Launchpad users and developers. || https://launchpad.net/ || Includes Rosetta and Malone. || http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ || Next developers' meeting is UBZ || Please, use #ubuntu-translators for any question about translations not related directly with Rosetta [02:04] zyga, something like this? [02:04] sivang: That only happens for the original description, so that it's preserved for posterity [02:05] sivang: That original description should be collapsed by default once BugHistory and KeepingBugsConcise are implemented. [02:05] lifeless: am I meant to register all the baz archives? [02:05] lifeless: I get: [02:05] * error report [02:05] could not connect to archive 'brad.bollenbach@canonical.com/launchpad--filebug-labels-fix--0--base-0' [02:05] when importing my archive [02:05] carlos: perfect! === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [02:09] stub, lifeless: yeah, my conversion finished finally: [02:09] real 3236m29.739s [02:09] user 783m30.834s [02:09] sys 1125m34.974s [02:12] over two days [02:12] Hmm, I'll leave that running over the weekend :-) === Nafallo is now known as Nafallo_away [02:21] Kinnison: unregister brad's archive === _philipp [n=philipp@dslb-084-058-168-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad [02:22] I know how we could avoid that problem, but there's some disagreement with lifeless about the proper semantics of conversion. [02:23] <_philipp> Hello, I need some help.. I did not only forget my password for launchpad, I even forgot my registration E-Mail adress... :-( [02:23] <_philipp> Its very stupid but it can happen because I have a catch-all e-mail on my domain [02:24] <_philipp> Can i find out what the adress is? I am definetely the only one with an e-mail @creatu.de [02:24] <_philipp> So, who could help me? [02:25] did you try a search at https://launchpad.net/people [02:25] <_philipp> i will try [02:25] https://launchpad.net/people/launchpad-net-creatu [02:25] <_philipp> I found [02:25] <_philipp> thanks === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad [02:27] _philipp, that might not help you thought I guess, if you can't login [02:27] <_philipp> yes, i just found out the same.s [02:28] hang around and wait and see if a LP maintainer is around [02:28] <_philipp> Now i found my user on launchpad, but I still dont know the mail adress [02:28] <_philipp> How do I recognize them? [02:28] Erm... I got that error and the solution was to *register* brads archive, not *unregister* it. [02:29] _philipp: launchpad.net@... [02:32] stub: mh... maybe, right [02:32] <_philipp> thanks a lot! [02:33] I modified by baz2bzr so I need not to import the whole universe just to get a branch in. [02:33] Mh... no, I'm sure there's some support in lifeless' one for partial imports... [02:33] hey... where is the Rosetta wishlist such that I can add some items? [02:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RosettaWishList this? [02:35] yes [02:35] hey there spiv [02:36] spiv, would your user.py hack work on moin version 1.3.5 do you know? === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad === beyond [n=beyond@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [02:48] <_philipp> exit [02:48] <_philipp> /exit === matsubara_ [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === matsubara_ is now known as matsubara [02:51] ddaa: unregister? [02:52] ddaa: I only have mine and rocketfuel registered [02:52] hu... [02:52] Well... annoy lifeless then. [02:52] I could fix your problem with my branch === Kinnison shrugs [02:52] All my baz branches are merged [02:53] but lifeless and I do not agree on what is a "valid" import === Kinnison has some uncommitted changes locally but I'm happy to wait until bzr to commit them [02:53] assuming bzr happens in the next 48 hours or so [02:54] ddaa: please do not say 'unregister' [02:54] okay [02:54] ddaa: you have misdiagnosed [02:54] Kinnison: you need to register brads archive [02:54] Kinnison: his patch log in your branch is corrupt [02:55] lifeless: Oh okay [02:55] Kinnison: and baz-import is trying to get it via the archive. [02:55] lifeless: is this common? [02:55] Kinnison: its the one that was corrupted by stub [02:55] Right === Kinnison registers brad's archive and sets it off again [02:57] stub: ping [02:57] mpt: pong [02:57] hey jbailey [02:58] jbailey: i will be relatively soon on the way to your place === mfuentes [n=mario@200.54.6.181] has joined #launchpad [02:58] fabbione: Cool. Angie's left for the day already, I've just showered. [02:58] Hi [02:58] doko hasn't yet arrived, but I expect him soonish (In the next 15 minutes) [02:59] fabbione: You have breakfast at the hotel, yes? Or do I need to feed you? [03:00] I'm confused :\... I send a full traduction for an application to the Launchpad, but after of 4 days it's not accepted :\ [03:00] jbailey: i already had breakfast thanks :) [03:00] %s/traduction/translation :) [03:01] mfuentes: it's possible some people only do stuff on the weekends [03:01] mfuentes: Or are busy/travelling/whatever [03:01] mfuentes: I'm sure they'll be very grateful for your efforts, once they get to them :-) [03:01] Kinnison, Ok, [03:02] mfuentes: But in case they're not too vocal about it. Thank you for your effort :-) [03:02] One day I may need to rely on rosetta to translate an app for me, so I'm very pleased with everyone who does it already [03:03] How I do to manage the es_CL translation for SchoolTool? [03:04] I'm afraid I don't know [03:04] jordi: are you around to help mfuentes ? [03:11] I complete the es and es_CL translations because two public School in my City have planned try SchoolTool, by this reason I want to administer it. [03:13] jbailey: I asked you in the bug report instead [03:14] mpt: Cool. Replied alrady. === SteveA [n=steve@66.103.220.202] has joined #launchpad [03:20] stub, still around? [03:23] Yo [03:23] lifeless: ping [03:23] stub: yay [03:23] mark wants to rollout something [03:23] Did you try calling twice btw? [03:23] and I want to rollout bzr [03:23] yes, 4 times actually, but bangkoks phone system seems fragile [03:23] god this takes ages [03:24] it's still sat pondering the same branch it was pondering when it crashed out before [03:24] Hmm... ta. I'm expecting a call but it sounds like it might have gotten lost :-( [03:24] Kinnison: yes, its unflattenting the graph [03:24] Kinnison: it has 15K patch logs to process [03:24] picking it up by its cojones and shaking hard? [03:24] Kinnison: baz or bzr or something else? [03:24] SteveA: bzr's from-baz conversion [03:24] SteveA: did you ask jbailey for a RHPS ticket? [03:25] RHPS? [03:25] rocky horror [03:25] no, didn't know it was on [03:25] stub: so, mark wants to get HEAD out to production [03:25] and i didn't bring any fetish clothing ;-) [03:26] Now? I thought he wanted a rollout Sunday? [03:26] stub: 'my top priority today' [03:26] stub: 'is lp rollout and then convert to bzr for lp' === jamesh [n=james@66.103.220.207] has joined #launchpad [03:27] ok [03:29] stub: so - do you want to do the rollout, or for me to practice my rusty skills ? :) [03:29] I can do it unless you have a pressing need to test the updated db and code rollout docs === lifeless disavows any need to test [03:30] do you want to try a bzr based rollout ? [03:30] i.e. I can switch to bzr now, and then we rllout that ? [03:32] lifeless: I was just going to baz switch this one [03:32] lifeless: I can test out rollout procedures at my leasure on staging then [03:32] stub: ok [03:32] lifeless: so it's time? [03:33] Kinnison: today yes. [03:33] rock on === Kinnison bounces [03:33] bzr is so much fun [03:33] stub: I'll convert HEAD to bzr now then, as you dont need to rollout HEAD [03:34] erm.. that is exactly what I was rolling out? [03:34] HEAD [03:35] but you tag/branch/merge from HEAD [03:35] you dont need to commit TO HEAD [03:35] ok ;) === mpt sprints to get his fixes in before lifeless pulls the switch [03:36] mpt: you've missed it [03:37] stub, is it possible to add some extra changesets to this rollout? [03:37] meh [03:37] salgado: No. Its already in progress and you won't be able to land if robert is playing with bzr. === jinty_ [n=jinty@p54BF7337.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [03:43] stub: what are you rolling out? 1.39 or a patch to 1.38 ? [03:44] can we stop jamesh's pending-reviews stuff while we do this? [03:44] I was just going to rollout --devel--patch-2733 (patch-2734 can't be rolled out without also doing the Librarian) [03:44] it'll free up a whole lot of chinstrap's IO bandwidth? [03:45] stub: I mean as in 'what is the output branch' ? [03:45] --devel--patch-2733 [03:46] stub: ah, so not even a branch/tag of it ? [03:46] mpt: Ah thanks. [03:46] The message I got where mpt marked a bug as a dup didn't come back as a reply to the previous one. I wonder if correct behaviour is for that to show up as a reply to my message? [03:46] lifeless: I can send a tag later. [03:47] stub: sure. but what do you want it to be ? [03:47] stub: I cleaned up all th epermissions in anticipation [03:47] 1.38 is fine. I'll tag on that branch [03:47] Kinnison: I've disabled the cronjob. Do you want me to kill the currently running job? [03:47] stub: 1.38 exists already.. so this is a second tag on the branch? (Just to be sure we are clear) [03:48] lifeless: yes [03:48] ok [03:48] jamesh: if it's nearly finished, leave it, otherwise I'd suggest we free up as much of chinstrap's IO for bzr conversions as possible [03:49] Kinnison: looks like it is close to the start [03:49] lifeless: tag request sent [03:49] Ooo. LP returns the right response code when it's down: 503 Service Unavailable [03:49] Kinnison: stopped [03:50] jbailey: Don't look too closely at the HTML :-) [03:50] BZR IS GO [03:50] lifeless: converted and updated the dists? === _magnetic [n=magnetic@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [03:52] mpt: That sounds like "quick, don't think of elephants!" [03:52] mpt: But it is amusing. =) [03:52] Kinnison: yes, they were converted last week, and we've been migrating line by line as each thing came across === Kinnison meant "have you converted launchpad and updated the dists to the bzr branch" [03:53] jbailey: I'm no Lakoff [03:55] Kinnison: thats what bzr being go mean s:) === sfeehan_ [n=sfeehan@132.198.90.91] has joined #launchpad === Kinnison bounces === Kinnison tries a checkout [04:01] stub: can you ping when lp is back [04:01] thanks :) [04:01] sure [04:05] your tag mirrored [04:14] E: Couldn't find package bzrtools [04:15] mpt: not in breezy, sorry :) [04:16] right, so it's supposed to be on bazaar.canonical.com [04:16] but apparently not [04:16] sleep time, flight in the morning [04:17] bye [04:17] tchau [04:18] jbailey: are bzrtools supposed to be in http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/ ? [04:18] mpt: are you looking at rocketfuelsetup ? === SteveA [n=steve@66.103.220.202] has joined #launchpad [04:19] stub: hows it going ? [04:19] lifeless: No, at MovingToBazNG [04:19] er, MoveToBazNG, rather [04:19] lifeless: Indexes rebuilding [04:20] mpt: and you updated your sources list ? [04:20] mpt: there is a missing step - sudo aptitude update [04:20] and then sudo aptitude install bzr bzrtools paramiko python2.4-bazaar [04:21] I did all that, except with apt-get rather than aptitude [04:21] same diff [04:21] lifeless: are jbailey's integration packages enough these days? [04:22] should be [04:22] coolio === Kinnison can get rid of the bizarre pythonpathery [04:22] It'd be nice if cm.py gave more output [04:22] it sits there saying nothing for aaaages [04:23] yes. [04:24] even the standard bzr progress bars would do === Kinnison pouts [04:24] also, it sat there for about 20 minutes 'til I realised what was wrong with my commandline [04:25] I.E. I'd missed 'build' [04:27] Is it doing sftp internally (without invoking ssh?) [04:27] stub: ping [04:27] Kinnison: yes [04:27] SteveA: pong [04:28] stub: after the production roll-out, can you please change all of the specs that appear on carlos' own specs page that are on the launchpad product to be targetted to the rosetta product [04:29] What specs appear on that page? I don't know the code. All the specs he is the owner for, or something else? [04:29] i asked carlos to assign them to launchpad rather than rosetta, but that was a mistake [04:29] yeah, ones where he's the owner [04:29] so [04:29] now we are on bzr, its easier to do a dumb-zope3-snapshot [04:29] do we need a new zope3 ? [04:30] not today [04:30] but i soon [04:30] but soon [04:30] lifeless: cute [04:30] lifeless: does it support all of the .ssh/config stuff? [04:30] lifeless: like proxycommands etc [04:30] no [04:30] :-( [04:31] we will be moving to a different implementation called conch soonish [04:31] right, does that support it? [04:31] well, 'will' = 95% probability [04:31] and it supports -more- of it. [04:32] lifeless: I also get the "E: Couldn't find package bzrtools" problem. Yes, I've got the three extra lines in sources.list. Yes, I apt-get update'd. Running on ppc, in case that matters. [04:32] bradb: ah. [04:32] jbaileys repo is ix86 only. that will be it. [04:32] mpt: you are on mac right ? [04:32] lifeless: no, x86 [04:32] i looked though and saw "powerpc" suffixes on some bzrtools [04:32] in jbailey's repo [04:32] mpt: hmm. then you should have it [04:33] jbailey: ping [04:35] lifeless: pong [04:36] jbailey: can you help mpt here ? [04:36] jbailey: something funny getting bzrtools from your repo [04:37] It's working now [04:37] mysteriously [04:37] not for me [04:38] mpt: I'm wrestling with the scripts. Every morning I wake up, the directory is empty. When I run the scripts by hand, they work correctly. [04:38] oh, but after an update again it worked [04:38] The joy of deleted files on unix being that it's silly hard to tell what deleted it. === jbailey misses NetWare sometimes. === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #launchpad [04:38] what's up with launchpad atm? [04:39] spayne: doing a roll-out [04:39] of the latest code [04:39] nice one SteveA === _magnetic [n=magnetic@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [04:43] stub: ? [04:43] elmo: ? [04:44] stub: jamesh needs access to production db, what would be a good machine for that from your POV? [04:45] stub: also, pg_hba.conf on emperor could do with an update, asuka and hutte are no longer importd machines and belgrano no longer runs roundup [04:45] Why the real db and what level of access? [04:45] stub: > jameesh, I was thinking maybe macquarie? [04:46] stub: , something to do with scheduling, I imagine RO will do, from what he described [04:46] elmo: macquarie [04:46] stub: for scheduling the conference [04:46] stub: definately ro acess [04:46] stub: needed tables is probably - specs, sprints, people, calendars [04:47] I'll just let him connect as the ro user [04:47] stub: RO is fine [04:47] works for me [04:47] ok, jamesh has an account on macquarie [04:47] danke [04:48] thanks [04:49] hey elmo [04:49] lifeless: sorry, where did you say i can get a tarball of config-manager to build on ppc? [04:50] bradb: you can eithe run from source - its python, no building needed - or pull the sid source package/binary package [04:50] bradb: specifics for each path after you choose apath :) [04:51] lifeless: source sounds good [04:52] bradb: bzr branch sftp://chisntrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/source/rollouts/config-manager [04:52] launchpad is backup [04:52] jamesh: psql -d launchpad_prod -H emperor -U ro [04:53] erm... -h === mpt installs piles of stuff === siretart [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #launchpad [05:01] launchpad is looking even nicer now! thanks for everyone involved! [05:01] s/for/to/ [05:02] lifeless: looks good, thanks [05:05] lifeless: launchpad is back up [05:05] k [05:05] stub: did you not say that 10 minutes ago ? [05:05] SteveA: changed the specs [05:06] lifeless: yes, but I hadn't pinged you [05:06] 00:52 < stub> launchpad is backup [05:06] :) [05:06] stub: ah, well - thanks :) [05:06] stub, have you cleaned the membership/participation entries for merged accounts already? [05:07] salgado: yes [05:07] stub, great. ta [05:09] thanks stub [05:09] carlos: please check the rosetta specs are as you need them [05:09] ok [05:10] SteveA, stub all specs are in place. Thank you ! [05:11] thank stub ;-) [05:11] mpt, https://launchpad.net/projects/launchpad/+specs is still a broken link, I know you detected it, but I don't know if you were fixing it [05:12] carlos: no, I wasn't [05:12] Bed! === stub buggers off [05:12] stub, night! [05:16] stub: thanks. night [05:16] carlos: try [05:17] products/launchpad/+specs [05:18] lifeless, I know about that other URL [05:18] carlos: ok [05:19] lifeless, but we have a broken link to the other one from https://launchpad.net/projects/launchpad [05:19] lifeless, and the idea is to be able to see all specs related to the project [05:21] yah [05:24] stub: I think your rsync recipe gets the parent wrong for the rbanch [05:24] *branches* [05:25] lifeless: Will all the baz-specific stuff disappear from RocketFuelSetup shortly? [05:25] hahah [05:25] dude, refresh :) [05:26] ahhhhhh [05:26] thankyou [05:27] What is "pushing a branch"? [05:27] lifeless: any reason those apt-get install lines aren't folded into one? [05:27] mpt: its archive-mirror, bnut from url to url, not from namespace to the namespaces output locations === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch [05:28] LarstiQ: uhm, history ? [05:31] lifeless: ah, ok [05:32] lifeless: any word on when we're gonna get faster bzr fetching? [05:33] lifeless: I'm still checking out a launchpad work area [05:33] and I started it > 1h ago [05:33] Kinnison: its in the ipeline [05:33] Kinnison: there are instructions on MoveToBazNG about doing it faster via rsync [05:33] Kinnison: and once you have a tree, you should *never* need to pull a fresh one [05:34] I guess I'll tar this one up for keeps then [05:36] it's mostly latency which hurts us, yes? [05:36] Kinnison: So, I should expect a feedback message from cm.py after about 20 minutes of it running, right? [05:36] bradb: no [05:36] bradb: expect no feedback [05:37] bradb: none whatsoever [05:37] :/ [05:37] bradb: well, you get the rant about a logger :-) [05:37] lifeless: PYTHONPATH=~/bzr-integration/integration cm.py build 554.89s user 43.99s system 13% cpu 1:11:34.12 total [05:37] yeesh [05:37] Kinnison: latency. [05:38] Kinnison: why tar? pull --clobber, or cp -a [05:38] pull --clobber to switch branches, and cp -a to make a new checkout of everything locally [05:38] I see === Kinnison didn't know about clobber [05:39] read the latest rocketfuelsetup page [05:39] which wiki? [05:39] there is only one wiki that that is on [05:41] i want one place where people can read about what to do [05:41] Oh, the w.c.c is a pointer [05:41] this spead over three different pages thing is confusing [05:41] SteveA: it used to be one page, pqmsetup was forked out some time back, ad mark suggested specific migrationdoco [05:41] SteveA: I agree that it is confusing and we need to make it better [05:41] I'm working towards that at the moment. [05:42] thanks === Kinnison copys his checkout ready to work on something [05:45] hrmmm, debconf crashed while asking me about postfix === lamont [n=lamont@mib.fc.hp.com] has joined #launchpad [05:46] speak of the devil [05:46] 01:45 < mpt> hrmmm, debconf crashed while asking me about postfix [05:48] sounds like a debconf bug. :-) [05:48] It does indeed === Nafallo_away is now known as Nafallo [05:50] and now "Preconfiguring packages..." is stuck, perhaps waiting for debconf to return [06:03] SteveA: is the sab around? === Kinnison wants to know if https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileLUi7gd.html looks okay for DistroRelease.initialiseFromParent() === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #launchpad [06:08] Kinnison: yes [06:08] Kinnison: very busy though. do you need an answer today? [06:08] SteveA: Well, I want to know if that's what he wanted from the function [06:08] SteveA: so a 10 second read of that nopaste and a "yes" will do nicely [06:08] SteveA: if it's a "no" then I guess it'll take longer, but I think I have everything [06:09] ideally, it would wait until saturday. we're doing planning, and in 1.5 hours, he's off on an international trip. [06:12] urgh [06:12] I'll assume the answer is "yes" [06:12] it shouldn't be far wrong === mdz [n=mdz@66.103.220.200] has joined #launchpad === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara === gneuman [n=gneuman@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [06:19] Does anybody know if it's possible to add radio button widgets to autogenerated forms? I need to do a autogenerated form for ProductSeries +source that has 2 radio buttons, one for each rcstype: cvs and svn. I would like to make them like the shipit Request Details form, but using autogenerated fields. Could somenone help me with that? [06:20] cool so launchpad is back up [06:20] is there any way to get my karma back? [06:22] how can I create a new specification? [06:22] there is no link in the specs tab [06:23] zyga: what karma is that? [06:23] zyga: go into a 'context' such as a distro or product and make the spec there [06:23] SteveA: I had about 4K karma before the great reset [06:23] to do with rosetta? [06:23] yes [06:24] hmm... the problem is that the karma data had been totally corrupted [06:24] :/ [06:24] cannot my translations be counted again? [06:24] so, it just isn't possible to turn back time on this [06:24] I had commited the whole po for gcc [06:25] SteveA: can you help me create a new spec [06:26] zyga: sure, what is the spec? [06:26] SteveA: NextGenerationLocalizationSystem (wikiword) [06:26] I cannot find any link to crate the spec [06:27] just a sec [06:29] zyga: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs [06:29] ah [06:29] launchpad seems less and less intuitive IMHO :/ [06:29] thanks [06:29] zyga: where did you try looking for this/ [06:29] ? [06:30] SteveA: I logged in [06:30] Seveas: I clicked 'specifications' tab [06:30] that's pretty obvious [06:32] zyga, that's exactly the link that SteveA gave you [06:33] carlos: hmmmmmmmm [06:33] carlos: wait === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad [06:33] i think the confusing thing is that you need to go into a context [06:33] https://launchpad.net/people/zkrynicki/+specs [06:33] that's my link [06:33] and then file the spec from there [06:33] so no [06:33] I'm alredy creating the spec with the link SteveA provided [06:34] but, from other specs pages, it doesn't explain or help with that [06:34] launchpad's "context first" approach confuses a lot of people [06:34] Kinnison: yes [06:34] I think we need a launchpad walkthrough type guide [06:34] Kinnison: I guess that's because I need to know for which distro the specs goes [06:34] linked at the bottom along with the legalese [06:34] which explains [06:34] but I think also that a multiple vector form is good [06:34] if I come from people/zkrynicki then something could already be filled (spec by me) [06:35] if I come from /distros/ubuntu that's a spec for ubuntu [06:35] one path doesn't suit everything === Nafallo is now known as ollafaN === ollafaN is now known as Nafallo [06:42] Kinnison++ [06:42] sivang: ? === Nafallo is now known as Nafallo_ === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo_away === Nafallo_away is now known as Nafallo [06:47] Kinnison: 17:34 < Kinnison> I think we need a launchpad walkthrough type guide [06:47] oh right [06:47] care to write it? [06:47] Kinnison: if lot of people get confused it's because maybe it's not a good idea [06:48] most people would expect persistent actions in a toolbar with that layout and position inside the page [06:48] like the rest of the web [06:49] anyway, the link names are not descriptive enough [06:49] it they were "XXXX for this product" [06:49] koke: I find that once you're used to the interface, it's very very easy and rapid to navigate [06:49] Kinnison: I have some ideas for having a brief helper messages for every functionaliy, which would be essentially integrated into the gui. seems like it would be more beneficial then asking someone to to read a whole another new guide just to use launchpad [06:49] people would understand it [06:49] but I do agree that they're not very discoverable [06:50] self explantory is my thought :) [06:50] Having useful hover-over tooltips on the facets would be nice [06:50] just by setting title="" on the link you can do that I think [06:50] anyway, fellas, I need to get off work and start preperations :-) [06:50] see you [06:50] Kinnison: the main problem is that there's no way to access different components with one-click [06:51] and this tabs should be expected to do that [06:51] koke: You've gotta be real careful saying "component" to me :-) [06:51] koke: I've spent the last year working on archives and components are something very very specific :-) [06:51] Kinnison: let's talk about such a guide there , ok? [06:51] sivang: heh, see you in .ca [06:51] :) [06:52] Kinnison: ok, let's say rosetta, malone, specs,... [06:52] Kinnison: laterz [06:52] I meant that [06:52] :) === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad [06:52] koke: I think of those as the apps. but I'm probably wrong too. [06:52] at least it sounds quite more appropiate :) [06:54] anyway, see you at .ca [06:54] have to go now [06:54] cya === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad === pkunk [n=pkunk@a84-231-44-138.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #launchpad === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #launchpad [07:20] Where can I learn about the request object passed to View instances? [07:21] SteveA: ^^^ [07:22] ddaa: you can read the interfaces. look up IBrowserRequest. run '''ctags -R lib sourcecode''' in your launchpad root === NetDreamz [i=Jayson@wsip-68-96-29-133.om.om.cox.net] has joined #launchpad [07:25] and please add 'make ctags' as a makefile target that does exactly this [07:25] hello [07:25] do not run '''ctags -R .''' as it will hang. ctags bug. reported by me. === ddaa [n=ddaa@201.15.27.115] has left #launchpad [] === ddaa [n=ddaa@201.15.27.115] has joined #launchpad [07:28] SteveA: what about etags ? [07:30] ciao all [07:31] lifeless: yeah, whatever [07:31] how long does it take to receive the ShipIt cd's? [07:31] could you make the launchpad redirect to our own page after logging in? === Virtuall[BZA] [n=virtuall@gamesnet.lv] has joined #launchpad === Nafallo is now known as ollafaN === ollafaN is now known as Nafallo [07:32] Belutz: soon, it will redirect to whatever page you clicked the 'login' link from on logging in === Virtuall[BZA] [n=virtuall@gamesnet.lv] has joined #launchpad [07:32] SteveA, cool :) [07:32] Belutz: if you want it to go back to your own page, then log in to the link to your own home page [07:33] launchpad already does this, except for the front page [07:33] SteveA, ok [07:33] apparently i always login from the from page, so i never knew about that one [07:34] is the font in launchpad bigger? or is it my eyes? === Virtuall[BZA] [i=virtuall@gamesnet.lv] has joined #launchpad === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad [07:37] lifeless: is it me or is bzr not installed on chinstrap? I'm following the "Using bzr remotely and rsyncing locally" instructions (it's already been a couple hours that I've been waiting for the tree to build over the network, had lunch, etc.), but I don't see bzr on chinstrap. [07:37] SteveA: more specifically, say I have a page $branch/+graph?foo=bar&hell=world, how can I retrieve the query parameters from the request? [07:38] ddaa: request.form [07:38] it is like a dict [07:39] it will have a list of things in a dict value if you have more than one thing in the url [07:39] like ?foo=1&foo=2 [07:39] {'foo':[1, 2] } [07:41] SteveA: I told him, but he'd like to hear from you.. :) [07:42] mh... you mean {'foo':['1','2'] } right? [07:42] ddaa: what he said ;-) [07:42] ddaa: yeah, what you said [07:42] niemeyer: not true, you vaguely mentioned something about a form [07:42] ddaa: I vaguely mentioned that the request should contain a form with the values. [07:42] ddaa: And that you should look at the zope code to see what the form was.. :) [07:43] I tried to. But since I did not find, I asked Steve. [07:43] how long does it take for the ship-it cd's to ship? [07:43] normally? [07:43] In a static typing language, that would have been easier :P [07:45] anyone? === NetDreamz [i=Jayson@wsip-68-96-29-133.om.om.cox.net] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] === NetDreamz [n=Jayson@wsip-68-96-29-133.om.om.cox.net] has joined #launchpad [07:49] mpt: Are you building a tree over the network or on chinstrap? === \sh [n=sh@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #launchpad [07:51] Are spec tracker bugs just under launchpad? [07:52] yes, AFAIK [07:54] bradb: Thanks. === jamesh [n=james@66.103.220.207] has joined #launchpad === mfuentes [n=mario@200.54.6.144] has joined #launchpad [08:19] lifeless: ping? [08:20] pong === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #launchpad [08:21] lifeless: is it me or is bzr not installed on chinstrap? [08:21] bradb: its not installed on chinstrap, as the rocketfuel setup and movetobazng pages both clearly show [08:21] bradb: we're reving bzr -very- fast [08:22] until we release 2.0, installing it would just be a pita [08:22] lifeless: rest assured, if they clearly showed it, i wouldn't have asked :) [08:22] i guess that bzr branch command was a typo then? [08:22] bradb: which one ? [08:22] e.g. bzr branch /home/warthogs/archives/rocketfuel/dists/devel configs [08:22] bradb: which one ? [08:22] bradb: where do you see that ? [08:23] lifeless: last line of the first section of commands in "Using bzr remotely and rsyncing locally" [08:24] So, both the section header and the command in question imply to me that bzr is meant to be on chinstrap, whether or not that's what you meant to say :) === camilotelles [n=Camilo@200.128.80.250] has joined #launchpad [08:30] bradb: its installed now [08:30] FSVO installed [08:31] thanks === fabbione [n=fabbione@66.103.220.197] has joined #launchpad === raider|ukraine [i=asskicke@82.207.25.27] has joined #launchpad [08:41] lol [08:41] :) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad [08:58] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/gnome-desktop === Nafallo is now known as Nafallo_away === pkunk [n=pkunk@a84-231-44-138.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #launchpad === dewd_ [n=dewd@201.29.136.83] has joined #launchpad [09:22] mfuentes: hello [09:25] hi [09:25] can I help? [09:25] yes :) [09:25] How I do to manage the es_CL translation for SchoolTool? [09:26] I complete the es and es_CL translations because two public School in my City have planned try SchoolTool, by this reason I want to administer it. [09:26] lifeless: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileVy5b2J.html -- my import has been "hung" like this for the last 10-15 minutes (possibly longer.) is that expected? [09:27] guys, I'm lost. what's the status of the baz2bzr conversion? is the rocketfuel baz archive already frozen? [09:27] bradb: thats fine [09:28] bradb: just leave it [09:28] lifeless, we still can send merge requests to pqm? [09:28] lifeless: any estimates on how long a typical lp developer's archive conversion should take? [09:28] for the launchpad tree [09:28] bradb: a couple of hours [09:29] ok [09:29] salgado: yes, via bzr [09:30] mfuentes: hmm [09:30] mfuentes: Why do you want an es_CL translation? [09:30] isn't es enough? [09:32] Because the Chilean education uses a specials words for Teachers, Resources, Sections, etc. [09:32] Teacher =(es_CL) Docente [09:33] Instructor = Docente [09:34] and in (es) Profesor or Instructor === kiko [n=kiko@66.103.220.203] has joined #launchpad [09:37] damn, I lost my connection to chinstrap [09:37] screen it is, i guess [09:37] heya bradb [09:37] wanna come down at 18:30? [09:37] jordi, is't a good reason? or you think about an unified translation to the Spanish? [09:37] kiko: for bof'ing or something else? [09:39] bradb, shopping! [09:39] heh [09:39] possibly...can i bring a girl if she's not too busy studying? [09:41] bradb: not yet, just about to start [09:41] bradb, dude, how can I refuse you bringing girls [09:42] mfuentes: Docente would be acceptable in Spain too [09:42] kiko: heh [09:42] mfuentes: but yes, if you have a special need, you could create a es_CL. [09:42] kiko: btw, just phoned le grand cycle [09:42] My girl is definitely too busy studying [09:42] they're open till 7, ready for your pedals [09:42] mfuentes: we try to avoid its as much as possible thouhh. [09:43] bradb, rock [09:43] mpt: building the tree over the network? word of warning: don't! [09:43] bradb, so 18:30 here, I guess [09:43] Kinnison: Like I've been saying to anyone who would listen, we need context-less "add stuff" forms that invite you to enter the context. A context-free spec registering page that starts by saying "What's this spec for?" A context-free bug reporting page that starts by saying "What's this bug in?" etc [09:44] kiko: sure, sounds good...what should we arrange for picking up the bike? [09:44] bradb, yeah -- can we get there in 30 minutes? [09:44] jordi, ok, thanks (Gracias ;) [09:44] kiko: too tight, i think [09:44] it'd be better if we met at sherbrooke metro [09:44] at that time [09:44] bradb, no cellphone? [09:45] no cellphone, unfortunately [09:45] i'm a caveman [09:45] hrmph [09:45] yeah. [09:45] and it's close to sherbrooke? [09:45] yeah, just a few mins walk === coyote10 [n=coyote10@201.154.3.17] has joined #launchpad [09:46] mfuentes: I would try translating es to your Spanish variant [09:46] hello [09:46] mfuentes: what other "different" words do you think you'd end up usng? [09:47] thanks [09:47] hello coyote10 [09:47] i have my cds of ubuntu [09:48] kiko, carlos: can a template be "moved" from a branch to anotheR? [09:49] jordi, that's a question for carlos more than me [09:49] I obtained my yesterday compact disc of ubuntu [09:49] hi jordi [09:50] kiko: k [09:50] coyote10: good! [09:51] :-P [09:52] segfault: ping [09:53] segfault: this is pretty massive, your learnlinux request. I need to know more. [09:57] kiko: can you make it to sherbrooke metro by 18:30 then? [09:59] segfault: please contact me when you read this. I might be afk depending on the itme [10:00] carlos: ping? [10:01] bradb, see privmsg [10:02] oh, i always miss privmsg's with this client, argh [10:03] jordi, This weekend we will have a meeting where they will tell us as to translate the words so that be accord with the norms of the Minister of Education. [10:05] mfuentes: good. I think you should try to go with only es at first [10:05] are you the Spanish translator, or does one exist already? [10:05] mfuentes: it's very cool that Chile is moving to SchoolTool [10:05] I'm the translator [10:07] jordi, an es un proyecto, ojal de frutos :) [10:09] mfuentes: muy buena suerte [10:15] lifeless: still around? [10:18] jordi, I send an update translation to the launchpad, but after more of 4 days it's not accepted, can you accept it? === NetDreamz [n=Jayson@68.96.29.133] has joined #launchpad [10:19] mfuentes: for SchoolTool? [10:19] yes === NetDreamz [n=Jayson@68.96.29.133] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] [10:19] is it valid? [10:19] ie, does it pass msgfmt -cv es.po? [10:20] output: 508 mensajes traducidos, 6 traducciones difusas. [10:21] jordi, I tranlate 'ID' as 'Identificador', is ok? [10:21] mfuentes: yes [10:22] unless it takes too much space in the Schooltool ui [10:22] mfuentes: you'll find out when testing the translation [10:24] mpt: yes [10:24] ok, I need the HEAD versin, I get it and testing my traslation [10:27] lifeless: Is it necessary to have .../archives/mpt/mpt@canonical.com/launchpad..., or should it just be .../archives/mpt/launchpad...? [10:27] lifeless: hm, this import appears to not be budging (same screen as before) [10:28] mpt: short answer - no, long answer - the eparate is to ensure that you do onot conflict if you have (say) launchpad--devel--0 in two archives [10:28] mpt: I want to put a string that contains "&" and other chars like that into an attribute of a page template [10:28] mpt: but you should follow the exact instructions, and move stuff up long level later if you want to. [10:28] mpt: but zope keeps on escaping the & into & [10:28] how can I prevent that? [10:28] bradb: one sec. [10:29] ddaa: where is the string? in python? [10:29] Yes, it's returned by a method of the view class [10:29] Why don't you want it to be &? [10:29] i.e. what's it for? [10:29] bradb: looks fine to me [10:30] it's for passing form parameters [10:30] bradb: load average is 11 for chinstrap [10:30] lifeless: ah, ok [10:30] +foo?bar=baz&hello=world [10:31] I mean we CAN second guess the correct values after they are mangled, but that's not right for any value of right. [10:31] ddaa, are you using this in a tal:content or tal:replace? [10:31] tal:attributes [10:31] ddaa, try tal:attributes="foo structure:view/yourmethod" [10:31] this should work, I guess [10:31] it says, roughly, "never heard of structure, you idiot" [10:32] I can give you the exact error message if you want [10:32] no need to [10:33] ddaa: If this is for in an href, you really do want them to be & === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [10:33] mpt: we both think you are on crack [10:33] me and niemeyer [10:33] them's fighting words [10:34] The error we get is: PTRuntimeError: ['Compilation failed', 'zope.tal.taldefs.TALError: Unrecognized expression type "structure". in expression \'structure:row/query\', at line 27, column 11'] [10:34] ddaa, niemeyer: href's that contain & need to change them to be &s [10:34] kiko: Even inside an href/src attribute!? [10:34] Actually, it's a img@src [10:34] but it's same thing, isn't it? === Nafallo_away is now known as Nafallo [10:34] niemeyer, yes, even inside an href/src attribute. [10:34] ddaa: http://htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/problems.html.en#amp [10:35] aha [10:35] WOW! [10:35] :-) [10:36] I knew that html was bad... but THAT bad? [10:36] kiko: Thanks for enlightening our poor souls.. [10:36] Thank guys for your patience. [10:36] sure. as for structure, don't prefix it with a colon. [10:36] salgado was trying to confuse you. [10:37] I love when the bug is in the programmer.. [10:37] however [10:37] I always do that [10:37] I don't think it makes sense to use define and structure together [10:37] kiko: Yes, we've seen that.. tal:attr doesn't support structure.. was just a dummy try. [10:37] tal:attr? [10:38] attribute [10:38] I didn't quite understand you. === camilotelles [n=Camilo@200.128.80.250] has joined #launchpad [10:38] niemeyer, attribute? [10:38] ol camilotelles [10:38] salgado, you do? can I see an example? [10:38] kiko, I always try to confuse people [10:38] kiko: tal:attributes="foobar structures foobar" is not supported [10:39] structure [10:39] hi kiko [10:39] niemeyer, yes, right. === Griotte53 [i=kvirc@lns-bzn-14-82-252-148-252.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [10:39] niemeyer, you can use replace or content. [10:39] but that's all [10:39] attributes = structure is a bit odd however [10:39] hi lla [10:39] all [10:40] who can help me please???i have some pb with ubuntu live for x86,i have a sempron 2800+ [10:40] i believe the pb come from my processor [10:40] kiko: Yes, doesn't make sense, now that we know that & shouldn't be there unescaped anyway. [10:42] Griotte53, that's unlikely, since a sempron is known to be fully x86-compatible [10:42] ok thx mate [10:43] kiko: because with my other(p4) it's ok [10:44] i don't mind, i m going to use some different cd [10:44] Griotte53, likely that the issue is with some other bit of hardware, though. === coyote10 [n=coyote10@201.154.3.17] has left #launchpad ["Abandonando"] [10:45] kiko: where are you from??i m french and at present a lot of people are cominf to linux,it s great === j^ [n=j@cpe-69-204-224-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad [10:49] right now packages.ubuntu.com points for packages in universe to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/$SOURCE/+bugs [10:49] but this link no longer works [10:50] but be nice if p.u.c or launchpad.net could be fixed [10:52] j^: right. the link on p.u.c. should include the distribution release name [10:52] like 'breezy' [10:53] SteveA i know, but i was told here it would also allways work without [10:53] its just that it worked until last week [10:54] okay, i just talked with kiko [10:54] and i'm told that launchpad should deal with such urls [10:54] bradb: hi [10:54] it definitely should [10:54] bradb: NullSourcePackage doesn't seem to be working [10:54] in production [10:54] bradb, what's the url for a distro source pacakge [10:55] kiko: path is /distros/ubuntu/+source/whatever [10:55] thanks brad [10:55] NOT +sources [10:55] j^: so, the url on p.u.c. is incorrect [10:55] of course [10:55] because that would mean that it would be CONVENIENT [10:55] mark didn't seem concerned with linkrot when he made the change [10:56] did it used to be +sources ? [10:56] so there's various rotten links out there now, e.g. in the ubuntu forums [10:56] SteveA: yeah [10:57] SteveA: btw, it's not a NullSourcePackage, it's a DistributionSourcePackage (which i did a simple version of to suit my needs and mark completely rewrote not that long ago) [10:57] ok === mdz [n=mdz@66.103.220.200] has joined #launchpad [10:58] so distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources works but it does not without breezy? [10:58] so, someone should mail frank lichtenfeld at the email address in the p.u.c. footer [10:58] while +source works with and without breezy [10:58] and ask him to remove the 's' on the end of '+sources' [10:58] j^: Yeah. I *think* I recall mark saying he didn't want +sources to work on just the distro name. It shouldn't be that long though before we change that. :) [11:01] bradb good, just wanted to let you know and hope you find a way with frank + keep the url a bit more stable [11:02] bradb, please change that today rs=kiko [11:02] kiko: in the midst of a bzr migration! [11:02] load of 11 last lifeless mentioned on chinstrap, so it's, um, slow. === j^ [n=j@cpe-69-204-224-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #launchpad [".oO""] [11:05] hm, 13.70, 12.26, 11.22... [11:05] yeah [11:05] I was thinking of running it, but.. [11:05] you should start now. it might day a day or two [11:07] mine is still on the second of 83 branches [11:07] I only have 5 branches [11:08] whoa [11:08] ] revisions 0/8 -:--:-- [11:08] mpt: what does "baz branches | wc -l" print for you? [11:09] 47 [11:09] sounds about right [11:09] I get 4 [11:09] that "-:--:--" hasn't changed in the past hour [11:09] should it have? [11:09] mpt: nope [11:10] mpt: load is high. chinstrap is creaking. [11:10] ok, home time then [11:10] tomorrow can be Spec Day [11:10] tchau === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #launchpad [] [11:17] Does anybody know what permission should I use on the +edit form for ProductSeries? I'm changing it to an autogenerated one and the old one was: launchpad.AnyPerson, I changed it to launchpad.Edit. Does that make sense? I need some opinios here on the implications of this change. [11:22] matsubara, I think ddaa was in accord with this change, IIRC -- ddaa? [11:22] matsubara: launchpad.AnyPerson is a "special" permission that will authorize any logged-in user. it's acceptable when you allow, effectively, "wiki-mode" editing of an object. if you wish to have more specific authorization than "is the person logged in", then you want launchpad.Edit. [11:23] Then Edit is fine with me. [11:23] Product owners like to to feel... ownership. [11:24] thank you [11:24] matsubara: you can see examples of how to write that custom code for the launchpad.Edit check for a specific interface in lib/canonical/launchpad/security.py [11:25] bradb, matsubara: however I think that a regular launchpad.Edit should work fine [11:25] (with no custom code) === jamesh [n=james@66.103.220.207] has joined #launchpad [11:29] i *think* in that case it would run the checker EditSeriesSourceByButtSource [11:32] arhamm === cprov waves good night all [11:39] anyboy here are scheduled to arrive on the 29th eveningish ? [11:39] s/boy/body/ [11:46] kiko: i'm heading off soon to sherbrooke metro...is the plan to head back to the hotel with the bike right after/maybe get something to eat? [11:47] bradb, hmmm, I'm easy, but I wonder where I'm keeping the bike [11:50] in your room? [11:51] if they allow that. if not, they must have some safe storage area somewhere. [11:51] I can only imagine. I'll ask before leaving [11:56] kiko: i just asked. they've got a storage area. [11:56] wow, cool [11:58] and it doesn't cost any extra, which is a bonus [12:02] sweetness [12:03] right, i'm heading off then. see you at sherbrooke metro, at the exit for the 24 est. === bradb & # out