| Belutz | when i'm translating the faqguide, i found some inconsistency in the xml, sometimes it use <application> and the others use <application os="gnome">, or that's the way it is? | 01:09 |
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| judax | Belutz: I believe that is left over from when the ubuntu and kubuntu faq guides were to derive from the same source | 01:13 |
| Belutz | i see, ok | 01:13 |
| judax | but someone else may have a better explanation | 01:13 |
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| judax | taking a damn break | 04:14 |
| Burgundavia | the specs are coming thick and fast, right in the middle of all the docs, dammit | 04:48 |
| Burgundavia | and the wiki is still slwo | 04:48 |
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| Burgundavia | robitaille, the new gst-ffmpeg likely fixes the issue of apple trailers not have sound. See http://blogs.gnome.org/view/rbultje/2005/10/27/0 | 06:08 |
| robitaille | Burgundavia, that's great news. | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | hi robitaille | 06:11 |
| robitaille | Hi ajmitch | 06:11 |
| robitaille | any of you run dapper? | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | so who from the doc team will be at UBZ? | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | not yet | 06:12 |
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| robitaille | I think he is the only one | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | ok | 06:13 |
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| judax | Edited kde/Makefile to account for status output for Adept User Guide and html build for same doc | 06:47 |
| judax | now off to bed, take care all | 06:47 |
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| mdke | morning | 08:47 |
| Madpilot | evening | 08:49 |
| Madpilot | still have to write an email to doclist w/ my $0.02 about the wiki/doc move proposals... | 08:50 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, I am the only one currently | 08:51 |
| rob^ | hi | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | hello rob^ | 08:52 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: only one running Dapper? so what entertaining breakages have you had so far? | 08:52 |
| rob^ | hi ajmitch | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, only one going to UBZ | 08:53 |
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| mdke | Madpilot, that would be good. | 08:54 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, need your comments too, especially because I put you down as a participant on the spec | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, for BetterWikiDocs? | 08:54 |
| Madpilot | mdke: writing now... been ignoring the computer all day, and am buried in email as a result... | 08:55 |
| mdke | yeah | 08:55 |
| mdke | especially on the "gradual move" idea | 08:56 |
| mdke | henrik had that yesterday | 08:56 |
| rob^ | mdke, in regard to the faq guide on h.u.c, if we can't get this sorted out I can go to town on the html (I'd like to add proper anchors in any case) | 08:56 |
| mdke | rob^, it would be a shame to not do it for all languages :( | 08:57 |
| rob^ | that is true | 08:57 |
| mdke | i'd also like a way to add the php header and side bar | 08:57 |
| mdke | i had a quick look at the .xsl stuff yesterday but couldnt figure anything out | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, the gradual move would allow us to rewrite the crap that exists now | 08:57 |
| rob^ | we could do it in the makefile, just using simple shell commands but it won't be in all languages if needed. | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, we should also push for new moin versions, if at all possible | 08:58 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, also henrik thought that if we could show that it works for a few pages, mark would be more likely to abandon his "one wiki to rule them all" theory | 08:58 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, that would mean that spiv would have to write a new launchpad hack :) | 08:58 |
| mdke | but note that idea on the page | 08:59 |
| mdke | i don't think henrik has done the install yet | 08:59 |
| mdke | rob^, that would be a start... the makefile contains all languages | 09:00 |
| rob^ | might be a little painful though | 09:00 |
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| mdke | it is rather unprofessional to have those xinclude errors | 09:01 |
| rob^ | yep | 09:01 |
| mdke | can we remove the licences? in any case there is the licence section at the beginning, with links to the online version? | 09:01 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, noted ont he page | 09:01 |
| mdke | cool | 09:01 |
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| rob^ | hehe | 09:02 |
| mdke | i'm so totally opposed to a separate kubuntu wiki | 09:02 |
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| rob^ | mdke, yes, I think kubuntu will gain more exposure on our wiki when we get it to negate the need for one | 09:03 |
| mdke | hope so | 09:03 |
| rob^ | well there won't be any devel crap to clog it for one thing | 09:03 |
| rob^ | and we can keep it neat and sorted better also | 09:04 |
| rob^ | bbl | 09:04 |
| Madpilot | alternate wiki/doc proposal sent to the list... | 09:08 |
| mdke | thanks | 09:10 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, the problem with your proposal is that we would require buyin from all the developers | 09:11 |
| Madpilot | it's another way of getting what rob^ just refered to as "devel crap" out of the way of the docs regular users actually use... | 09:11 |
| Burgundavia | moving our docs is probably going to be easier, socially | 09:11 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: the MOTUs and devs and such are far more involved, and easier to reach (I'd assume) | 09:11 |
| Burgundavia | we will talk about it at UBZ, but I don't expect miracles | 09:12 |
| mdke | also, your point about "breakages and frustrated users" needs examples | 09:12 |
| mdke | also I like our proposal because it would mean having static and wiki docs in the same place | 09:13 |
| mdke | and maybe even searchable together | 09:13 |
| Madpilot | mdke: the best example I can think of is ubotu - heavily used on #ubuntu and filled with hundreds of wiki links, all of which will break or need redirects | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | the redirects are not a big issue | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | we can also lock the pages so that they cannot be edited on wiki.u.c | 09:14 |
| mdke | sure they will need redirects, but redirects will not break | 09:14 |
| Madpilot | http://ubuntu.cc.com.au <-- ubotu's database, which is currently 529 items long, many/most of them wiki.u.c links | 09:14 |
| mdke | i've tried to address the issue of breaking links in that spec | 09:14 |
| mdke | Madpilot, that will change gradually, as with human peoples' bookmarks... but we can make sure the links don't break | 09:14 |
| Burgundavia | the longer we leave the issue, the worse it is going to get | 09:16 |
| mdke | ok i'm going to work | 09:17 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: agreed - I'm just not convinced that abandoning wiki.u.c is actually the right answer | 09:17 |
| Madpilot | later, mdke | 09:17 |
| mdke | Madpilot, people don't expect the "wiki" link to lead them to docs | 09:17 |
| mdke | they would follow a "help" tab | 09:17 |
| mdke | and the wiki would return to being a "brainstorming area" for devel and community | 09:18 |
| Madpilot | I guess - I'm likely overestimating the # of people who know what a "wiki" is, even amongst Linux users ;) | 09:18 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:18 |
| Burgundavia | the term wiki is mostly only known to people who edit on them frequently | 09:19 |
| Burgundavia | most readers at WP probably don't even know that they can edit | 09:19 |
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| Burgundavia | hmm | 09:23 |
| Burgundavia | he has such a nice name | 09:23 |
| rob^ | ubotu is a minor issue, it can be changed | 09:25 |
| rob^ | needs a cleanout anyway | 09:25 |
| rob^ | everyone elses links are the problem | 09:26 |
| rob^ | what if wiki.u.c pointed to our wiki and the other wiki to devwiki.u.c or something? | 09:27 |
| Madpilot | rob^: that's pretty much my proposal. | 09:35 |
| Madpilot | anyway, I'm going to crash, it's been a long day in a long week - and it's only Wednesday... :( | 09:36 |
| Madpilot | later, all | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | night, I need to work early tomorrow | 09:37 |
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| rob^ | I wonder if its the same people? | 10:14 |
| rob^ | (it feels that way) | 10:15 |
| rob^ | does anyone else have a problem with "New User Literature"? | 10:17 |
| mdke | you have too many problems | 10:20 |
| mdke | they just need a little guidance in the right direction :) | 10:20 |
| rob^ | I'm happy to work with people, but guidance yes | 10:21 |
| mdke | i can't believe they started a new forum, that is such crack | 10:21 |
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| rob^ | yep | 10:21 |
| rob^ | part of whats annoying about it | 10:21 |
| rob^ | and reading it is even more crack | 10:21 |
| mdke | ok we need to sort out these xincludes | 10:22 |
| mdke | have you read the licence? | 10:22 |
| mdke | is it ok for us to just include the weblink and not the whole licence? | 10:22 |
| rob^ | I'll reread to be sure | 10:22 |
| rob^ | I think the GFDL might have to include a copy iirc | 10:23 |
| mdke | the only other thing I can think of is to try and include them as entities | 10:23 |
| mdke | and see if that breaks the translations | 10:23 |
| rob^ | you definatly need a copy of the GFDL, see http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html (How to use this License for your documents) | 10:24 |
| mdke | ok | 10:24 |
| rob^ | "To use this License in a document you have written, include a copy of the License in the document..." | 10:24 |
| rob^ | as for the CC-BY-SA: | 10:26 |
| rob^ | "You must include a copy of, or the Uniform Resource Identifier for, this License with every copy..." | 10:26 |
| mdke | hmm | 10:26 |
| mdke | ok | 10:26 |
| mdke | so we need at least the gfdl | 10:27 |
| rob^ | so the CC-BY-SA is covered by the licence page (there is a link) | 10:27 |
| rob^ | but yes we need a copy of the gfdl still | 10:27 |
| mdke | well we might as well get em both in | 10:28 |
| mdke | but how? | 10:28 |
| rob^ | this may need to change on our Credits and License page though: "Copies of these licenses are available in the appendices section of this book." | 10:28 |
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| rob^ | it then goes on to give urls for the licences so the cc-by-sa is covered | 10:29 |
| mdke | rob^, well if we have to put in one, we might as well put em both in | 10:29 |
| rob^ | yeah | 10:29 |
| mdke | maybe #docbook can help? | 10:29 |
| rob^ | good idea | 10:29 |
| rob^ | not much luck hey | 10:37 |
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| mdke | you need to wait a while in these sort of channels | 10:38 |
| Belutz | mdke, got a minute? | 10:38 |
| mdke | yes | 10:39 |
| Belutz | when i'm translating the faqguide, i note that some of the applications is not translated yet into my language, should i translate presuming, that the app already translated into my language or not? | 10:39 |
| mdke | i don't know, that is up to you | 10:40 |
| rob^ | bbs | 10:41 |
| Belutz | ok, one more thing still with the faqguide, i sometimes see <application>Synaptic</application> and <application os="gnome">Synaptic</application>, which one is the correct one for later use? | 10:41 |
| mdke | dude you leave EVERYTHING in <tags> exactly as it is | 10:42 |
| mdke | you only translate the bit in the middle | 10:42 |
| mdke | translating the tag itself will break the guide | 10:42 |
| Belutz | yup i know | 10:43 |
| Belutz | i just find it not having a consistency in tags | 10:43 |
| Belutz | cmiiw | 10:43 |
| mdke | you don't need to worry about that | 10:43 |
| mdke | just leave them as they are | 10:43 |
| Belutz | ok then | 10:44 |
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| mdke | the answer judax gave you yesterday is correct | 10:44 |
| mdke | ciao enrico | 10:45 |
| enrico | mdke: ciao! | 10:47 |
| mdke | :) | 10:47 |
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| rob^ | mdke, does this make any sense to you? http://sources.redhat.com/ml/docbook-apps/2005-q2/msg00056.html | 11:32 |
| mdke | yeah i was looking at that too | 11:33 |
| mdke | no it doesn't :) | 11:33 |
| rob^ | heh dam | 11:33 |
| rob^ | gives us some kind of idea | 11:33 |
| mdke | maybe it means that we need to build the legal files first | 11:35 |
| rob^ | http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude/#processing | 11:35 |
| rob^ | http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude | 11:35 |
| rob^ | thats the w3c recommendation on it | 11:35 |
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| rob^ | 3.1 | 11:37 |
| rob^ | ../../../common/C/ccbysa.xml <- is that where the document is included on the server, I wonder if its just putting in this link? | 11:39 |
| rob^ | also this might be useful (its slow to load): http://216.239.63.104/search?hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fcafe.elharo.com%2Fxml%2Fxinclude%2F&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en | 11:40 |
| rob^ | its an intro to xincludes | 11:40 |
| mdke | the address ../../../common etc is correct | 11:40 |
| rob^ | its puting the xi:includes in as is (without the options): <font color="red"><xi:include></xi:include></font><font color="red"><xi:include></xi:include></font> | 11:42 |
| rob^ | I wonder why this is? | 11:42 |
| mdke | must be the fallback on error | 11:43 |
| rob^ | are we making the html from branch, if so whats the makefile and command to make it? | 11:43 |
| mdke | the makefile is in gnome, command is make faq-C or whatever language you prefer | 11:44 |
| mdke | i'm gonna try moving the Makefile to generic/ | 11:45 |
| mdke | no, that doesn't work either | 11:45 |
| mdke | it must be something to do with the path to the legal docs | 11:46 |
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| rob^ | I have an idea I'm gonna try, let me eat my pancakes first then I'll try it | 11:46 |
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| rob^ | something I've discovered: if you put --xinclude in the Makefire for the xsltproc commands, the xincludes dont appear in red | 12:30 |
| rob^ | got it!!! | 12:32 |
| rob^ | yay | 12:33 |
| rob^ | mdke, I have a fix | 12:33 |
| mdke | what is it? | 12:33 |
| rob^ | commiting it now | 12:33 |
| mdke | what is it first? | 12:33 |
| rob^ | add --xinclude to xlstproc in makefile | 12:34 |
| mdke | ah that sounds nice | 12:34 |
| rob^ | and it looks exactly as it should :) | 12:35 |
| rob^ | yay | 12:35 |
| rob^ | now to go through and add it for all languages | 12:36 |
| mdke | nice one rob^ | 12:36 |
| rob^ | man that took all my google skills | 12:37 |
| rob^ | I found an online manpage to xlstproc | 12:37 |
| rob^ | by chance mind you | 12:38 |
| mdke | use find/replace for the languages | 12:38 |
| rob^ | (yes I could have done man xsltproc, but I found this first) | 12:38 |
| rob^ | does it matter if the replace added --xinclude to every xsltproc command? | 12:42 |
| mdke | i don't know, perhaps test a build of another document, but I doubt it | 12:45 |
| rob^ | about ubuntu builds fine with it | 12:46 |
| mdke | cool | 12:46 |
| mdke | commit away then | 12:47 |
| rob^ | oops I spelt xsltproc wrong on the log statement, no biggie though | 12:47 |
| === mdke tests | ||
| rob^ | cool/good | 12:49 |
| mdke | fantastic | 12:49 |
| mdke | nice one | 12:49 |
| rob^ | :) | 12:49 |
| rob^ | ok bed time now | 12:49 |
| rob^ | cya mdke | 12:49 |
| mdke | night, and thanks | 12:50 |
| rob^ | np | 12:50 |
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| judax | jjesse: ping | 03:20 |
| jjesse | judax ping back | 03:21 |
| judax | hey, the adept guide is at a point where I would like some other eyes to start taking a look at it and provide ideas, suggestions, etc | 03:21 |
| judax | it should build as well | 03:22 |
| jjesse | judax: i can take a look this evening | 03:22 |
| jjesse | judax: do you know how to change the makefile to build it? | 03:22 |
| judax | jjesse: yes, already done | 03:22 |
| jjesse | judax: awesome then i'll build it and read it when i'm done w/ work | 03:22 |
| judax | jjesse: it builds now | 03:22 |
| judax | jjesse: just the fugly css however | 03:23 |
| jjesse | maybe Riddell can add a kde style sheet like he did for the other guides | 03:23 |
| judax | that would be nice, I would be willing to help with that but I dont know where that kde-web css lives | 03:23 |
| jjesse | according to Riddell its super secret :) | 03:24 |
| judax | jjesse: would like to run the doc by the developer too, but need to have it previewed somewhere, like h.u.c, but we have the css issue | 03:24 |
| judax | jjesse: hehe, I heard him say that in the docteam mtg | 03:25 |
| jjesse | he should be able to view at the web svn location | 03:26 |
| jjesse | have you contacted mornfall | 03:26 |
| judax | not yet | 03:26 |
| judax | jjesse: but at the web svn location would he have to just look at the raw xml? | 03:29 |
| jjesse | judax: yeah it would be raw xml | 03:30 |
| judax | jjesse: kinda hard to read that | 03:30 |
| jjesse | judax: agreed, so then i think mdke needs to upload it to doc.ubuntu.com | 03:30 |
| judax | jjesse: agreed, so we need to css thing fixed then | 03:31 |
| judax | jjesse: so mdke will upload | 03:31 |
| jjesse | judax: i think mdke is the one who has access to the server to do the upload | 03:31 |
| jjesse | ping mdke | 03:32 |
| judax | jjesse: yes, but he said he was not uploading any kubuntu docs until they were de-uglified | 03:32 |
| jjesse | judax: ah so we need to get Riddell to get that stylesheet applied, did you see the message i sent him ? | 03:32 |
| jjesse | judax: i copied you into the email i think | 03:32 |
| judax | jjesse: yes, I saw the message | 03:32 |
| mdke | hello? | 03:36 |
| mdke | ah | 03:36 |
| jjesse | mdke did you read scroll? | 03:36 |
| mdke | yeah reading | 03:37 |
| mdke | still need the deuglifying to be done afaics | 03:37 |
| jjesse | once we get that done, you cn upload right? | 03:37 |
| mdke | sure | 03:38 |
| mdke | i'm uploading released docs only | 03:38 |
| mdke | to help.ubuntu.com | 03:38 |
| mdke | works in progress in trunk will go to doc.ubuntu.com | 03:38 |
| judax | that sounds good | 03:40 |
| jjesse | yeah i think that is what we were looking for | 03:40 |
| judax | btw, what happened to the stylesheet for kubuntu docs? They never used to look this bad | 03:40 |
| mdke | ping me when you have something in branches/breezy buildable with the stylesheet | 03:41 |
| judax | granted it wasn't the kde-web style, but that should not matter | 03:41 |
| jjesse | judax: you talking about the release notes? | 03:41 |
| jjesse | and about-kubuntu? | 03:41 |
| judax | jjesse: well, yes and no, I understand that the kde-web stylesheet was used for release to breezy, but I am talking about the general building of docs out of the repo | 03:42 |
| judax | jjesse: they are uglier than they used to be | 03:43 |
| judax | mdke: we are needing a preview of the adept user guide and we are hoping it can be pushed to breezy, but that is not confirmed | 03:44 |
| mdke | getting a totally new doc in as an -update would be a bit odd | 03:45 |
| mdke | but then kubuntu doesn't seem to have such strict policies as Ubuntu | 03:45 |
| judax | agreed, but the switch from kynaptic to adept in breezy may warrant it, hard to say | 03:47 |
| mdke | i can do a preview now | 03:48 |
| judax | ok, that would be great | 03:48 |
| mdke | is there a make target for it? | 03:49 |
| mdke | if not, put it in make kall pls | 03:49 |
| judax | opps, I just added a section for aug (make aug), forgot about make kall, I will go fix that | 03:49 |
| mdke | aug? | 03:50 |
| mdke | ah | 03:50 |
| jjesse | adeptuser guie | 03:50 |
| judax | yes, make aug is it, kug was taken, :) | 03:50 |
| judax | or kag i mean | 03:50 |
| mdke | shit | 03:51 |
| mdke | the server is having some issues | 03:52 |
| mdke | matt@hudson:~$ ping google.com | 03:52 |
| mdke | ping: unknown host google.com | 03:52 |
| mdke | how the hell can I ssh in | 03:52 |
| judax | hmm, you lose connection? | 03:53 |
| mdke | no i can ssh in fine | 03:53 |
| mdke | must be their nameserver or something | 03:53 |
| judax | interesting | 03:55 |
| judax | I just added aug to kall and committed | 03:56 |
| mdke | thanks | 03:57 |
| mdke | i'll stick up a preview when the server is sorted | 03:57 |
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| mdke | still not working | 03:59 |
| mdke | pos | 03:59 |
| judax | ok, thanks | 04:01 |
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| mdke | how come? | 04:05 |
| ompaul | because in the mind of some, like me :) doc and "docs" are what I read and I don't mean .doc | 04:09 |
| ompaul | it just seems kind of obvious to have the two | 04:10 |
| ompaul | that make sense? | 04:11 |
| mdke | sort of | 04:14 |
| mdke | but we are ubuntu-doc | 04:14 |
| mdke | and that is our website | 04:14 |
| mdke | the docs are to be found at help.ubuntu.com | 04:14 |
| spayne | hmmm....is there a wiki person here? | 04:15 |
| mdke | i thought you were a wiki person? | 04:15 |
| spayne | i am | 04:16 |
| mdke | judax, ping | 04:16 |
| spayne | just i need to check something | 04:16 |
| mdke | spayne, then, the answer is yes | 04:16 |
| judax | mdke: pong | 04:16 |
| mdke | judax, do you know what package I need to build kde docs? | 04:16 |
| mdke | error is warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/kde-chunk.xsl" | 04:16 |
| judax | mdke: you would ask that | 04:16 |
| spayne | mdke: i am redoing the iFolder Wiki docs as the current ones do evil things like alien packages | 04:16 |
| mdke | just do a dpkg -S on that file for me, would ya? | 04:16 |
| spayne | mdke: so i have done some new kickass docs on compiling it and info. on future packages | 04:16 |
| spayne | mdke: is it alright to delete the old stuff? | 04:17 |
| judax | mdke: they build on my system so I have the right packages, let me do some checking real quick | 04:17 |
| spayne | mdke: as we shouldn't be encouraging people to alien packages | 04:17 |
| mdke | spayne, you are working on the same page right? | 04:17 |
| judax | jjesse: unless jjesse knows real quick | 04:17 |
| mdke | judax, dpkg -S /usr/share/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/kde-chunk.xsl | 04:17 |
| jjesse | checking real quick, i'll have to do the dkpg | 04:17 |
| mdke | is all I need | 04:17 |
| Riddell | see build-deps in kde/debian/control | 04:17 |
| jjesse | grin Riddell to the resuce | 04:18 |
| mdke | thanks | 04:18 |
| jjesse | s/rescue | 04:18 |
| spayne | mdke: i have done three docments, iFolder, Building_iFolder and BuildingSimpleServer but somoneelse has done a document on hwo to alien RPMs for iFolder which is wrong. can i delete that one? | 04:18 |
| mdke | spayne, did you read WikiGuide? | 04:18 |
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| mdke | read the bit about deleting pages | 04:19 |
| judax | mdke: kdelibs-data | 04:20 |
| spayne | mdke: shall i just put a redirection in then? | 04:20 |
| mdke | lol | 04:20 |
| mdke | yeah got it judax | 04:20 |
| judax | oh, ok, sorry | 04:20 |
| mdke | spayne, the best thing is to just have the one page | 04:20 |
| mdke | i would say | 04:20 |
| spayne | mdke: well, iFolder is like the central page and the other pages are for the other products | 04:20 |
| spayne | mdke: but the iFolderHowto page is evil :) | 04:21 |
| judax | I guess I could follow along :) | 04:21 |
| mdke | judax, if you fancy tidying up the kfaq stuff in the makefile, that would rock too | 04:21 |
| Riddell | the adept guide should probably be in KDE svn | 04:21 |
| mdke | spayne, resolve the links and delete the page after that | 04:21 |
| spayne | mdke: woo! thanks | 04:22 |
| spayne | mdke: bugger! i can't log in :( | 04:22 |
| mdke | true | 04:22 |
| judax | mdke: ok, I will take a look at that | 04:22 |
| spayne | mdke: i better wait but thanks for your help | 04:22 |
| spayne | launchpad is also down | 04:23 |
| mdke | Riddell, judax, http://doc.ubuntu.com/kde/adeptguide/C/ | 04:23 |
| mdke | erm gpl? | 04:24 |
| judax | mdke: very cool, thx | 04:24 |
| mdke | btw that seems to have a good stylesheet | 04:24 |
| judax | yes, I noticed that | 04:24 |
| judax | the style sheet that is | 04:24 |
| judax | need to discuss the license and accout for possible upstream | 04:25 |
| judax | this was just based off the kynaptic template, so I just left it there, whatever needs to be done is cool | 04:25 |
| mdke | how come the stuff in branch doesn't have that nice stylesheet? | 04:25 |
| judax | that is what I was asking jjesse about, something is different/changed and I am not sure what | 04:26 |
| mdke | ok cool ping me when it's sorted :) | 04:26 |
| jjesse | judax: i don't know, Riddell did you change the style sheet in build? | 04:27 |
| mdke | oh no, about kubuntu is boned in trunk and branch | 04:27 |
| mdke | adept has the nice ones | 04:27 |
| jjesse | mdke: if i go to doc.ubuntu.com/kde the links to the docs still go to the page that froud made for preview and aren't current | 04:27 |
| jjesse | mdke: that whole page needs help | 04:28 |
| mdke | i'll bin that | 04:28 |
| mdke | thanks | 04:28 |
| jjesse | http://doc.ubuntu.com/kde | 04:28 |
| mdke | but you need to fix it | 04:28 |
| mdke | because that comes from the makefile in trunk/kde | 04:28 |
| jjesse | ok | 04:28 |
| mdke | do a local build and see for yourself | 04:28 |
| Riddell | about kubuntu and release notes use the kde stylesheet | 04:28 |
| jjesse | in branches/build | 04:28 |
| jjesse | but not in trunk/kde | 04:29 |
| mdke | gah | 04:29 |
| mdke | jjesse, the problem is in trunk. Sean wrote the Makefile, which produces that index.html you are complaining about | 04:29 |
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| jjesse | mdke: ok i'll tackle it | 04:30 |
| jjesse | adding to list | 04:30 |
| judax | jjesse: the adept preview looks good however | 04:30 |
| mdke | i'll bin everything on doc.ubuntu.com except for adept | 04:30 |
| mdke | and I'll make a link for it too | 04:31 |
| mdke | judax, are the screenshots in the adeptguide folder itself, or in ../images? | 04:32 |
| judax | mdke: they are in ../adeptguide/C/figures | 04:32 |
| mdke | right | 04:33 |
| mdke | you've got the navigation icons and so on there too right? | 04:34 |
| mdke | oh no | 04:34 |
| mdke | damn | 04:34 |
| judax | I am looking at the adept preview you just pushed and it looks good, got the nav icons and such, that what you mean? | 04:35 |
| mdke | the nav icons are in kde/images/C/etc | 04:35 |
| mdke | i need to upload that folder too | 04:36 |
| mdke | i just deleted it | 04:36 |
| judax | opps | 04:39 |
| mdke | ok better | 04:41 |
| mdke | :) | 04:41 |
| mdke | i made you a sidebar link at doc.ubuntu.com too | 04:44 |
| judax | very cool, thx | 04:48 |
| mdke | what does S mean by a file in svn status? | 04:49 |
| mdke | hmm switched | 04:50 |
| mdke | sounds bad | 04:51 |
| mdke | judax, ping | 04:54 |
| judax | mdke: yes | 04:54 |
| mdke | can you svn up in trunk for me and go to generic/gfaqguide and tell me if it is working ok? | 04:54 |
| mdke | scrap the g | 04:55 |
| judax | ok one sec | 04:55 |
| judax | ok, I am there what do you want me to look for | 04:56 |
| mdke | just see if everything is there i guess | 04:56 |
| mdke | i just scrapped the whole dir and attempted to merge from branch | 04:57 |
| judax | it looks ok to me, and the svn up looked good | 04:57 |
| mdke | good | 04:57 |
| judax | is that tar file supposed to be there? | 04:57 |
| mdke | yeah | 04:58 |
| judax | kk | 04:58 |
| mdke | you don't have it in branches/breezy? | 04:58 |
| mdke | geez that must have been a fat download | 04:58 |
| judax | it was quick | 04:59 |
| mdke | you have the branch? | 05:00 |
| mdke | if so, it should just copy it over | 05:00 |
| jjesse | is it svn copy? cause i could do that | 05:01 |
| mdke | no | 05:03 |
| mdke | svn copy is what I'm doing now | 05:03 |
| mdke | svn up should copy it over automatically for ya | 05:03 |
| jjesse | did you copy adeptguide to branches or did judax do it | 05:03 |
| mdke | no one did | 05:03 |
| mdke | you should only do that if you have approval to upload it into breezy | 05:04 |
| jjesse | oh | 05:07 |
| jjesse | ok | 05:07 |
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| mdke | and I'm spent | 05:20 |
| mpt | no pants! | 05:24 |
| mdke | hmm | 05:25 |
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| mdke | spayne, start here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopersDocumentation | 06:24 |
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| spayne | thanks mdke | 06:25 |
| mdke | please please read the WikiGuide | 06:25 |
| spayne | mdke: when you say a sync from elmo, what do you mean? | 06:26 |
| mdke | otherwise you will do more harm than good | 06:26 |
| spayne | mdke: it is my bookmark :) | 06:26 |
| mdke | that doesn't mean you've read it | 06:27 |
| mdke | i keep telling you stuff that is really prominent on that page | 06:27 |
| spayne | mdke: i apologise | 06:27 |
| spayne | mdke: what do you mean by sync? launchpad? p.u.c/ | 06:27 |
| mdke | planet needs to be synched from jeff's source repository before any changes applied will be registered | 06:28 |
| spayne | mdke: oh right :) | 06:29 |
| spayne | mdke: from his Arch repo? | 06:30 |
| mdke | i think it is a baz archive | 06:31 |
| spayne | http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/arch is one | 06:31 |
| spayne | but i don't think that is p.u.c | 06:31 |
| mdke | that is the source code for the software | 06:31 |
| spayne | mdke: he has another one for p.u.c then? | 06:32 |
| mdke | well yes | 06:33 |
| spayne | mdke: any idea where it is (just out of interest) | 06:36 |
| mdke | well it is likely to be private I would have thought | 06:37 |
| spayne | you might be right :) | 06:38 |
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| Kinnison | ciao all | 07:30 |
| highvoltage | ciao Kinnison | 07:31 |
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| jjesse | ok back from meetings at work | 07:40 |
| judax | wb jjesse | 07:52 |
| jjesse | judax: thanks, gotta love meetings for two hours | 07:53 |
| judax | jjesse: I hear ya, that is my life too | 07:53 |
| jjesse | yeah i'm heading into another two in a bit | 07:55 |
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| spayne | mdke: if you hear anything about p.u.c, will you ping me | 07:56 |
| spayne | mdke: ? | 08:12 |
| mdke | spayne, yes | 09:50 |
| mdke | jeez sean is a pain | 09:50 |
| spayne | sorry | 09:50 |
| spayne | and i'm not called sean :) | 09:51 |
| spayne | mdke: FYI, I am Seb Payne, not sean | 09:51 |
| spayne | mdke: were you referring to me before? | 09:52 |
| ajmitch | spayne: I don't think he was talking about you then.. | 09:52 |
| mdke | no | 09:53 |
| mdke | not you | 09:53 |
| spayne | ajmitch: oh right, just it was immediatly after | 09:53 |
| mdke | just commenting as I read the mailing list | 09:53 |
| spayne | mdke: who is sean | 09:53 |
| ajmitch | yes, you don't usually talk to someone like that after talking to them directly :) | 09:53 |
| mdke | lol | 09:53 |
| mdke | well I don't | 09:53 |
| spayne | ajmitch: depends what sort of person ;) | 09:53 |
| jjesse | mdke i agree w/ you in regards sean | 09:57 |
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| mdke | he is just around to cause trouble right now afaics | 09:59 |
| mdke | ok i'm off | 10:00 |
| mdke | laters | 10:00 |
| spayne | bye | 10:00 |
| jjesse | agreed mdke | 10:01 |
| spayne | i think so - it doesn't seem very nice what he is writing | 10:02 |
| jjesse | spayne: he has a history of complaining or doing things his own way and then taking his ball and going home if we dont do it his way | 10:05 |
| spayne | who is he? member? activist? | 10:05 |
| jjesse | member, wrote a bunch of the docs for kubutu hoary | 10:11 |
| judax | jjesse: you can just check the preview mdke put up for adept guide at d.u.c, instead of building it tonight, if you prefer | 10:23 |
| jjesse | judax: thanks will do | 10:23 |
| jjesse | it will give me something to do as i reboot the servers :) | 10:23 |
| judax | hehe, must be a bunch of winders boxex | 10:24 |
| judax | s/boxex/boxes | 10:24 |
| jjesse | windows servers, patches have been installed need to be rebooted to be applied | 10:27 |
| jjesse | i'm a windows network admin for a living :) | 10:27 |
| judax | jjesse: ah gotcha, cool | 10:32 |
| judax | hehe ubuntu doc is 209MB now, have not checked its size in awhile | 10:35 |
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| judax | jjesse: we need a one-pager for katapult | 11:35 |
| judax | jjesse: or add it to k quick guide | 11:36 |
| judax | jjesse: kquickguide is a better idea I think | 11:38 |
| jjesse | yeah kquickguide is better | 11:39 |
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