[01:09] <Belutz> when i'm translating the faqguide, i found some inconsistency in the xml, sometimes it use <application> and the others use <application os="gnome">, or that's the way it is?
[01:13] <judax> Belutz: I believe that is left over from when the ubuntu and kubuntu faq guides were to derive from the same source
[01:13] <Belutz> i see, ok
[01:13] <judax> but someone else may have a better explanation
[04:14] <judax> taking a damn break
[04:48] <Burgundavia> the specs are coming thick and fast, right in the middle of all the docs, dammit
[04:48] <Burgundavia> and the wiki is still slwo
[06:08] <Burgundavia> robitaille, the new gst-ffmpeg likely fixes the issue of apple trailers not have sound. See http://blogs.gnome.org/view/rbultje/2005/10/27/0
[06:11] <robitaille> Burgundavia,  that's great news.
[06:11] <ajmitch> hi robitaille
[06:11] <robitaille> Hi ajmitch 
[06:12] <robitaille> any of you run dapper?
[06:12] <ajmitch> so who from the doc team will be at UBZ?
[06:12] <ajmitch> not yet
[06:12] <robitaille> I think he is the only one
[06:13] <ajmitch> ok
[06:47] <judax> Edited kde/Makefile to account for status output for Adept User Guide and html build for same doc
[06:47] <judax> now off to bed, take care all
[08:47] <mdke> morning
[08:49] <Madpilot> evening
[08:50] <Madpilot> still have to write an email to doclist w/ my $0.02 about the wiki/doc move proposals...
[08:51] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, I am the only one currently
[08:52] <rob^> hi
[08:52] <ajmitch> hello rob^ 
[08:52] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: only one running Dapper? so what entertaining breakages have you had so far?
[08:52] <rob^> hi ajmitch 
[08:53] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, only one going to UBZ
[08:54] <mdke> Madpilot, that would be good.
[08:54] <mdke> Burgundavia, need your comments too, especially because I put you down as a participant on the spec
[08:54] <Burgundavia> mdke, for BetterWikiDocs?
[08:55] <Madpilot> mdke: writing now... been ignoring the computer all day, and am buried in email as a result...
[08:55] <mdke> yeah
[08:56] <mdke> especially on the "gradual move" idea
[08:56] <mdke> henrik had that yesterday
[08:56] <rob^> mdke, in regard to the faq guide on h.u.c, if we can't get this sorted out I can go to town on the html (I'd like to add proper anchors in any case)
[08:57] <mdke> rob^, it would be a shame to not do it for all languages :(
[08:57] <rob^> that is true
[08:57] <mdke> i'd also like a way to add the php header and side bar
[08:57] <mdke> i had a quick look at the .xsl stuff yesterday but couldnt figure anything out
[08:57] <Burgundavia> mdke, the gradual move would allow us to rewrite the crap that exists now
[08:58] <rob^> we could do it in the makefile, just using simple shell commands but it won't be in all languages if needed.
[08:58] <Burgundavia> mdke, we should also push for new moin versions, if at all possible
[08:58] <mdke> Burgundavia, also henrik thought that if we could show that it works for a few pages, mark would be more likely to abandon his "one wiki to rule them all" theory
[08:58] <mdke> Burgundavia, that would mean that spiv would have to write a new launchpad hack :)
[08:59] <mdke> but note that idea on the page
[08:59] <mdke> i don't think henrik has done the install yet
[09:00] <mdke> rob^, that would be a start... the makefile contains all languages
[09:00] <rob^> might be a little painful though
[09:01] <mdke> it is rather unprofessional to have those xinclude errors
[09:01] <rob^> yep
[09:01] <mdke> can we remove the licences? in any case there is the licence section at the beginning, with links to the online version?
[09:01] <Burgundavia> mdke, noted ont he page
[09:01] <mdke> cool
[09:02] <rob^> hehe
[09:02] <mdke> i'm so totally opposed to a separate kubuntu wiki
[09:03] <rob^> mdke, yes, I think kubuntu will gain more exposure on our wiki when we get it to negate the need for one
[09:03] <mdke> hope so
[09:03] <rob^> well there won't be any devel crap to clog it for one thing
[09:04] <rob^> and we can keep it neat and sorted better also
[09:04] <rob^> bbl
[09:08] <Madpilot> alternate wiki/doc proposal sent to the list...
[09:10] <mdke> thanks
[09:11] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, the problem with your proposal is that we would require buyin from all the developers
[09:11] <Madpilot> it's another way of getting what rob^ just refered to as "devel crap" out of the way of the docs regular users actually use...
[09:11] <Burgundavia> moving our docs is probably going to be easier, socially
[09:11] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: the MOTUs and devs and such are far more involved, and easier to reach (I'd assume)
[09:12] <Burgundavia> we will talk about it at UBZ, but I don't expect miracles
[09:12] <mdke> also, your point about "breakages and frustrated users" needs examples
[09:13] <mdke> also I like our proposal because it would mean having static and wiki docs in the same place
[09:13] <mdke> and maybe even searchable together
[09:13] <Madpilot> mdke: the best example I can think of is ubotu - heavily used on #ubuntu and filled with hundreds of wiki links, all of which will break or need redirects
[09:13] <Burgundavia> the redirects are not a big issue
[09:14] <Burgundavia> we can also lock the pages so that they cannot be edited on wiki.u.c
[09:14] <mdke> sure they will need redirects, but redirects will not break
[09:14] <Madpilot> http://ubuntu.cc.com.au <-- ubotu's database, which is currently 529 items long, many/most of them wiki.u.c links
[09:14] <mdke> i've tried to address the issue of breaking links in that spec
[09:14] <mdke> Madpilot, that will change gradually, as with human peoples' bookmarks... but we can make sure the links don't break
[09:16] <Burgundavia> the longer we leave the issue, the worse it is going to get
[09:17] <mdke> ok i'm going to work
[09:17] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: agreed - I'm just not convinced that abandoning wiki.u.c is actually the right answer 
[09:17] <Madpilot> later, mdke
[09:17] <mdke> Madpilot, people don't expect the "wiki" link to lead them to docs
[09:17] <mdke> they would follow a "help" tab
[09:18] <mdke> and the wiki would return to being a "brainstorming area" for devel and community
[09:18] <Madpilot> I guess - I'm likely overestimating the # of people who know what a "wiki" is, even amongst Linux users ;)
[09:18] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:19] <Burgundavia> the term wiki is mostly only known to people who edit on them frequently
[09:19] <Burgundavia> most readers at WP probably don't even know that they can edit
[09:23] <Burgundavia> hmm
[09:23] <Burgundavia> he has such a nice name
[09:25] <rob^> ubotu is a minor issue, it can be changed
[09:25] <rob^> needs a cleanout anyway
[09:26] <rob^> everyone elses links are the problem
[09:27] <rob^> what if wiki.u.c pointed to our wiki and the other wiki to devwiki.u.c or something?
[09:35] <Madpilot> rob^: that's pretty much my proposal. 
[09:36] <Madpilot> anyway, I'm going to crash, it's been a long day in a long week - and it's only Wednesday... :(
[09:36] <Madpilot> later, all
[09:37] <Burgundavia> night, I need to work early tomorrow
[10:14] <rob^> I wonder if its the same people?
[10:15] <rob^> (it feels that way)
[10:17] <rob^> does anyone else have a problem with "New User Literature"?
[10:20] <mdke> you have too many problems
[10:20] <mdke> they just need a little guidance in the right direction :)
[10:21] <rob^> I'm happy to work with people, but guidance yes
[10:21] <mdke> i can't believe they started a new forum, that is such crack
[10:21] <rob^> yep
[10:21] <rob^> part of whats annoying about it
[10:21] <rob^> and reading it is even more crack
[10:22] <mdke> ok we need to sort out these xincludes
[10:22] <mdke> have you read the licence?
[10:22] <mdke> is it ok for us to just include the weblink and not the whole licence?
[10:22] <rob^> I'll reread to be sure
[10:23] <rob^> I think the GFDL might have to include a copy iirc
[10:23] <mdke> the only other thing I can think of is to try and include them as entities
[10:23] <mdke> and see if that breaks the translations
[10:24] <rob^> you definatly need a copy of the GFDL, see http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html (How to use this License for your documents)
[10:24] <mdke> ok
[10:24] <rob^> "To use this License in a document you have written, include a copy of the License in the document..."
[10:26] <rob^> as for the CC-BY-SA:
[10:26] <rob^> "You must include a copy of, or the Uniform Resource Identifier for, this License with every copy..."
[10:26] <mdke> hmm
[10:26] <mdke> ok
[10:27] <mdke> so we need at least the gfdl
[10:27] <rob^> so the CC-BY-SA is covered by the licence page (there is a link)
[10:27] <rob^> but yes we need a copy of the gfdl still
[10:28] <mdke> well we might as well get em both in
[10:28] <mdke> but how?
[10:28] <rob^> this may need to change on our Credits and License page though: "Copies of these licenses are available in the appendices section of this book."
[10:29] <rob^> it then goes on to give urls for the licences so the cc-by-sa is covered
[10:29] <mdke> rob^, well if we have to put in one, we might as well put em both in
[10:29] <rob^> yeah
[10:29] <mdke> maybe #docbook can help?
[10:29] <rob^> good idea
[10:37] <rob^> not much luck hey
[10:38] <mdke> you need to wait a while in these sort of channels
[10:38] <Belutz> mdke, got a minute?
[10:39] <mdke> yes
[10:39] <Belutz> when i'm translating the faqguide, i note that some of the applications is not translated yet into my language, should i translate presuming, that the app already translated into my language or not?
[10:40] <mdke> i don't know, that is up to you
[10:41] <rob^> bbs
[10:41] <Belutz> ok, one more thing still with the faqguide, i sometimes see <application>Synaptic</application> and <application os="gnome">Synaptic</application>, which one is the correct one for later use?
[10:42] <mdke> dude you leave EVERYTHING in <tags> exactly as it is
[10:42] <mdke> you only translate the bit in the middle
[10:42] <mdke> translating the tag itself will break the guide
[10:43] <Belutz> yup i know
[10:43] <Belutz> i just find it not having a consistency in tags
[10:43] <Belutz> cmiiw
[10:43] <mdke> you don't need to worry about that
[10:43] <mdke> just leave them as they are
[10:44] <Belutz> ok then
[10:44] <mdke> the answer judax gave you yesterday is correct
[10:45] <mdke> ciao enrico 
[10:47] <enrico> mdke: ciao!
[10:47] <mdke> :)
[11:32] <rob^> mdke, does this make any sense to you? http://sources.redhat.com/ml/docbook-apps/2005-q2/msg00056.html
[11:33] <mdke> yeah i was looking at that too
[11:33] <mdke> no it doesn't :)
[11:33] <rob^> heh dam
[11:33] <rob^> gives us some kind of idea
[11:35] <mdke> maybe it means that we need to build the legal files first
[11:35] <rob^> http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude/#processing
[11:35] <rob^> http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude
[11:35] <rob^> thats the w3c recommendation on it
[11:37] <rob^> 3.1
[11:39] <rob^> ../../../common/C/ccbysa.xml <- is that where the document is included on the server, I wonder if its just putting in this link?
[11:40] <rob^> also this might be useful (its slow to load): http://216.239.63.104/search?hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fcafe.elharo.com%2Fxml%2Fxinclude%2F&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en
[11:40] <rob^> its an intro to xincludes
[11:40] <mdke> the address ../../../common etc is correct
[11:42] <rob^> its puting the xi:includes in as is (without the options): <font color="red">&lt;xi:include&gt;&lt;/xi:include&gt;</font><font color="red">&lt;xi:include&gt;&lt;/xi:include&gt;</font>
[11:42] <rob^> I wonder why this is?
[11:43] <mdke> must be the fallback on error
[11:43] <rob^> are we making the html from branch, if so whats the makefile and command to make it?
[11:44] <mdke> the makefile is in gnome, command is make faq-C or whatever language you prefer
[11:45] <mdke> i'm gonna try moving the Makefile to generic/
[11:45] <mdke> no, that doesn't work either
[11:46] <mdke> it must be something to do with the path to the legal docs
[11:46] <rob^> I have an idea I'm gonna try, let me eat my pancakes first then I'll try it
[12:30] <rob^> something I've discovered: if you put --xinclude in the Makefire for the xsltproc commands, the xincludes dont appear in red
[12:32] <rob^> got it!!!
[12:33] <rob^> yay
[12:33] <rob^> mdke, I have a fix
[12:33] <mdke> what is it?
[12:33] <rob^> commiting it now
[12:33] <mdke> what is it first?
[12:34] <rob^> add --xinclude to xlstproc in makefile
[12:34] <mdke> ah that sounds nice
[12:35] <rob^> and it looks exactly as it should :)
[12:35] <rob^> yay
[12:36] <rob^> now to go through and add it for all languages
[12:36] <mdke> nice one rob^ 
[12:37] <rob^> man that took all my google skills
[12:37] <rob^> I found an online manpage to xlstproc
[12:38] <rob^> by chance mind you
[12:38] <mdke> use find/replace for the languages
[12:38] <rob^> (yes I could have done man xsltproc, but I found this first)
[12:42] <rob^> does it matter if the replace added --xinclude to every xsltproc command?
[12:45] <mdke> i don't know, perhaps test a build of another document, but I doubt it
[12:46] <rob^> about ubuntu builds fine with it
[12:46] <mdke> cool
[12:47] <mdke> commit away then
[12:47] <rob^> oops I spelt xsltproc wrong on the log statement, no biggie though
[12:49] <rob^> cool/good
[12:49] <mdke> fantastic
[12:49] <mdke> nice one
[12:49] <rob^> :)
[12:49] <rob^> ok bed time now
[12:49] <rob^> cya mdke 
[12:50] <mdke> night, and thanks
[12:50] <rob^> np
[03:20] <judax> jjesse: ping
[03:21] <jjesse> judax ping back
[03:21] <judax> hey, the adept guide is at a point where I would like some other eyes to start taking a look at it and provide ideas, suggestions, etc
[03:22] <judax> it should build as well
[03:22] <jjesse> judax:  i can take a look this evening 
[03:22] <jjesse> judax:  do you know how to change the makefile to build it?
[03:22] <judax> jjesse: yes, already done
[03:22] <jjesse> judax: awesome then i'll build it and read it when i'm done w/ work
[03:22] <judax> jjesse: it builds now
[03:23] <judax> jjesse: just the fugly css however
[03:23] <jjesse> maybe Riddell can add a kde style sheet like he did for the other guides
[03:23] <judax> that would be nice, I would be willing to help with that but I dont know where that kde-web css lives
[03:24] <jjesse> according to Riddell its super secret :)
[03:24] <judax> jjesse: would like to run the doc by the developer too, but need to have it previewed somewhere, like h.u.c, but we have the css issue
[03:25] <judax> jjesse: hehe, I heard him say that in the docteam mtg
[03:26] <jjesse> he should be able to view at the web svn location
[03:26] <jjesse> have you contacted mornfall
[03:26] <judax> not yet
[03:29] <judax> jjesse: but at the web svn location would he have to just look at the raw xml?
[03:30] <jjesse> judax: yeah it would be raw xml
[03:30] <judax> jjesse: kinda hard to read that
[03:30] <jjesse> judax: agreed, so then i think mdke needs to upload it to doc.ubuntu.com
[03:31] <judax> jjesse: agreed, so we need to css thing fixed then
[03:31] <judax> jjesse: so mdke will upload
[03:31] <jjesse> judax: i think mdke is the one who has access to the server to do the upload
[03:32] <jjesse> ping mdke 
[03:32] <judax> jjesse: yes, but he said he was not uploading any kubuntu docs until they were de-uglified
[03:32] <jjesse> judax: ah so we need to get Riddell to get that stylesheet applied, did you see the message i sent him ?
[03:32] <jjesse> judax: i copied you into the email i think
[03:32] <judax> jjesse: yes, I saw the message
[03:36] <mdke> hello?
[03:36] <mdke> ah
[03:36] <jjesse> mdke did you read scroll?
[03:37] <mdke> yeah reading
[03:37] <mdke> still need the deuglifying to be done afaics
[03:37] <jjesse> once we get that done, you cn upload right?
[03:38] <mdke> sure
[03:38] <mdke> i'm uploading released docs only
[03:38] <mdke> to help.ubuntu.com
[03:38] <mdke> works in progress in trunk will go to doc.ubuntu.com
[03:40] <judax> that sounds good
[03:40] <jjesse> yeah i think that is what we were looking for
[03:40] <judax> btw, what happened to the stylesheet for kubuntu docs? They never used to look this bad
[03:41] <mdke> ping me when you have something in branches/breezy buildable with the stylesheet
[03:41] <judax> granted it wasn't the kde-web style, but that should not matter
[03:41] <jjesse> judax: you talking about the release notes?
[03:41] <jjesse> and about-kubuntu?
[03:42] <judax> jjesse: well, yes and no, I understand that the kde-web stylesheet was used for release to breezy, but I am talking about the general building of docs out of the repo
[03:43] <judax> jjesse: they are uglier than they used to be
[03:44] <judax> mdke: we are needing a preview of the adept user guide and we are hoping it can be pushed to breezy, but that is not confirmed
[03:45] <mdke> getting a totally new doc in as an -update would be a bit odd
[03:45] <mdke> but then kubuntu doesn't seem to have such strict policies as Ubuntu
[03:47] <judax> agreed, but the switch from kynaptic to adept in breezy may warrant it, hard to say
[03:48] <mdke> i can do a preview now
[03:48] <judax> ok, that would be great
[03:49] <mdke> is there a make target for it?
[03:49] <mdke> if not, put it in make kall pls
[03:49] <judax> opps, I just added a section for aug (make aug), forgot about make kall, I will go fix that
[03:50] <mdke> aug?
[03:50] <mdke> ah
[03:50] <jjesse> adeptuser guie
[03:50] <judax> yes, make aug is it, kug was taken, :)
[03:50] <judax> or kag i mean
[03:51] <mdke> shit
[03:52] <mdke> the server is having some issues
[03:52] <mdke> matt@hudson:~$ ping google.com
[03:52] <mdke> ping: unknown host google.com
[03:52] <mdke> how the hell can I ssh in
[03:53] <judax> hmm, you lose connection?
[03:53] <mdke> no i can ssh in fine
[03:53] <mdke> must be their nameserver or something
[03:55] <judax> interesting
[03:56] <judax> I just added aug to kall and committed
[03:57] <mdke> thanks
[03:57] <mdke> i'll stick up a preview when the server is sorted
[03:59] <mdke> still not working
[03:59] <mdke> pos
[04:01] <judax> ok, thanks
[04:05] <mdke> how come?
[04:09] <ompaul> because in the mind of some, like me :) doc and "docs" are what I read and I don't mean .doc 
[04:10] <ompaul> it just seems kind of obvious to have the two 
[04:11] <ompaul> that make sense?
[04:14] <mdke> sort of
[04:14] <mdke> but we are ubuntu-doc
[04:14] <mdke> and that is our website
[04:14] <mdke> the docs are to be found at help.ubuntu.com
[04:15] <spayne> hmmm....is there a wiki person here?
[04:15] <mdke> i thought you were a wiki person?
[04:16] <spayne> i am
[04:16] <mdke> judax, ping
[04:16] <spayne> just i need to check something
[04:16] <mdke> spayne, then, the answer is yes
[04:16] <judax> mdke: pong
[04:16] <mdke> judax, do you know what package I need to build kde docs?
[04:16] <mdke> error is warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/kde-chunk.xsl"
[04:16] <judax> mdke: you would ask that
[04:16] <spayne> mdke: i am redoing the iFolder Wiki docs as the current ones do evil things like alien packages
[04:16] <mdke> just do a dpkg -S on that file for me, would ya?
[04:16] <spayne> mdke: so i have done some new kickass docs on compiling it and info. on future packages
[04:17] <spayne> mdke: is it alright to delete the old stuff?
[04:17] <judax> mdke: they build on my system so I have the right packages, let me do some checking real quick
[04:17] <spayne> mdke: as we shouldn't be encouraging people to alien packages
[04:17] <mdke> spayne, you are working on the same page right?
[04:17] <judax> jjesse: unless jjesse knows real quick
[04:17] <mdke> judax, dpkg -S /usr/share/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/kde-chunk.xsl
[04:17] <jjesse> checking real quick, i'll have to do the dkpg
[04:17] <mdke> is all I need
[04:17] <Riddell> see build-deps in kde/debian/control
[04:18] <jjesse> grin Riddell  to the resuce
[04:18] <mdke> thanks
[04:18] <jjesse> s/rescue
[04:18] <spayne> mdke: i have done three docments, iFolder, Building_iFolder and BuildingSimpleServer but somoneelse has done a document on hwo to alien RPMs for iFolder which is wrong. can i delete that one?
[04:18] <mdke> spayne, did you read WikiGuide?
[04:19] <mdke> read the bit about deleting pages
[04:20] <judax> mdke: kdelibs-data
[04:20] <spayne> mdke: shall i just put a redirection in then?
[04:20] <mdke> lol
[04:20] <mdke> yeah got it judax 
[04:20] <judax> oh, ok, sorry
[04:20] <mdke> spayne, the best thing is to just have the one page
[04:20] <mdke> i would say
[04:20] <spayne> mdke: well, iFolder is like the central page and the other pages are for the other products
[04:21] <spayne> mdke: but the iFolderHowto page is evil :)
[04:21] <judax> I guess I could follow along :)
[04:21] <mdke> judax, if you fancy tidying up the kfaq stuff in the makefile, that would rock too
[04:21] <Riddell> the adept guide should probably be in KDE svn
[04:21] <mdke> spayne, resolve the links and delete the page after that
[04:22] <spayne> mdke: woo! thanks
[04:22] <spayne> mdke: bugger! i can't log in :(
[04:22] <mdke> true
[04:22] <judax> mdke: ok, I will take a look at that
[04:22] <spayne> mdke: i better wait but thanks for your help
[04:23] <spayne> launchpad is also down
[04:23] <mdke> Riddell, judax, http://doc.ubuntu.com/kde/adeptguide/C/
[04:24] <mdke> erm gpl?
[04:24] <judax> mdke: very cool, thx
[04:24] <mdke> btw that seems to have a good stylesheet
[04:24] <judax> yes, I noticed that
[04:24] <judax> the style sheet that is
[04:25] <judax> need to discuss the license and accout for possible upstream
[04:25] <judax> this was just based off the kynaptic template, so I just left it there, whatever needs to be done is cool
[04:25] <mdke> how come the stuff in branch doesn't have that nice stylesheet?
[04:26] <judax> that is what I was asking jjesse about, something is different/changed and I am not sure what 
[04:26] <mdke> ok cool ping me when it's sorted :)
[04:27] <jjesse> judax: i don't know, Riddell did you change the style sheet in build?
[04:27] <mdke> oh no, about kubuntu is boned in trunk and branch
[04:27] <mdke> adept has the nice ones
[04:27] <jjesse> mdke: if i go to doc.ubuntu.com/kde the links to the docs still go to the page that froud made for preview and aren't current
[04:28] <jjesse> mdke: that whole page needs help
[04:28] <mdke> i'll bin that
[04:28] <mdke> thanks
[04:28] <jjesse> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kde
[04:28] <mdke> but you need to fix it
[04:28] <mdke> because that comes from the makefile in trunk/kde
[04:28] <jjesse> ok
[04:28] <mdke> do a local build and see for yourself
[04:28] <Riddell> about kubuntu and release notes use the kde stylesheet
[04:28] <jjesse> in branches/build
[04:29] <jjesse> but not in trunk/kde
[04:29] <mdke> gah
[04:29] <mdke> jjesse, the problem is in trunk. Sean wrote the Makefile, which produces that index.html you are complaining about
[04:30] <jjesse> mdke: ok i'll tackle it
[04:30] <jjesse> adding to list
[04:30] <judax> jjesse: the adept preview looks good however
[04:30] <mdke> i'll bin everything on doc.ubuntu.com except for adept
[04:31] <mdke> and I'll make a link for it too
[04:32] <mdke> judax, are the screenshots in the adeptguide folder itself, or in ../images?
[04:32] <judax> mdke: they are in ../adeptguide/C/figures
[04:33] <mdke> right
[04:34] <mdke> you've got the navigation icons and so on there too right?
[04:34] <mdke> oh no
[04:34] <mdke> damn
[04:35] <judax> I am looking at the adept preview you just pushed and it looks good, got the nav icons and such, that what you mean?
[04:35] <mdke> the nav icons are in kde/images/C/etc
[04:36] <mdke> i need to upload that folder too
[04:36] <mdke> i just deleted it
[04:39] <judax> opps
[04:41] <mdke> ok better
[04:41] <mdke> :)
[04:44] <mdke> i made you a sidebar link at doc.ubuntu.com too
[04:48] <judax> very cool, thx
[04:49] <mdke> what does S mean by a file in svn status?
[04:50] <mdke> hmm switched
[04:51] <mdke> sounds bad
[04:54] <mdke> judax, ping
[04:54] <judax> mdke: yes
[04:54] <mdke> can you svn up in trunk for me and go to generic/gfaqguide and tell me if it is working ok?
[04:55] <mdke> scrap the g
[04:55] <judax> ok one sec
[04:56] <judax> ok, I am there what do you want me to look for
[04:56] <mdke> just see if everything is there i guess
[04:57] <mdke> i just scrapped the whole dir and attempted to merge from branch
[04:57] <judax> it looks ok to me, and the svn up looked good
[04:57] <mdke> good
[04:57] <judax> is that tar file supposed to be there?
[04:58] <mdke> yeah
[04:58] <judax> kk
[04:58] <mdke> you don't have it in branches/breezy?
[04:58] <mdke> geez that must have been a fat download
[04:59] <judax> it was quick
[05:00] <mdke> you have the branch?
[05:00] <mdke> if so, it should just copy it over
[05:01] <jjesse> is it svn copy? cause i could do that
[05:03] <mdke> no
[05:03] <mdke> svn copy is what I'm doing now
[05:03] <mdke> svn up should copy it over automatically for ya
[05:03] <jjesse> did you copy adeptguide to branches or did judax do it
[05:03] <mdke> no one did
[05:04] <mdke> you should only do that if you have approval to upload it into breezy
[05:07] <jjesse> oh
[05:07] <jjesse> ok
[05:20] <mdke> and I'm spent
[05:24] <mpt> no pants!
[05:25] <mdke> hmm
[06:24] <mdke> spayne, start here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopersDocumentation
[06:25] <spayne> thanks mdke 
[06:25] <mdke> please please read the WikiGuide
[06:26] <spayne> mdke: when you say a sync from elmo, what do you mean?
[06:26] <mdke> otherwise you will do more harm than good
[06:26] <spayne> mdke: it is my bookmark :)
[06:27] <mdke> that doesn't mean you've read it
[06:27] <mdke> i keep telling you stuff that is really prominent on that page
[06:27] <spayne> mdke: i apologise
[06:27] <spayne> mdke: what do you mean by sync? launchpad? p.u.c/
[06:28] <mdke> planet needs to be synched from jeff's source repository before any changes applied will be registered
[06:29] <spayne> mdke: oh right :)
[06:30] <spayne> mdke: from his Arch repo?
[06:31] <mdke> i think it is a baz archive
[06:31] <spayne> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/arch is one
[06:31] <spayne> but i don't think that is p.u.c
[06:31] <mdke> that is the source code for the software
[06:32] <spayne> mdke: he has another one for p.u.c then?
[06:33] <mdke> well yes
[06:36] <spayne> mdke: any idea where it is (just out of interest)
[06:37] <mdke> well it is likely to be private I would have thought
[06:38] <spayne> you might be right :)
[07:30] <Kinnison> ciao all
[07:31] <highvoltage> ciao Kinnison 
[07:40] <jjesse> ok back from meetings at work
[07:52] <judax> wb jjesse 
[07:53] <jjesse> judax:  thanks, gotta love meetings for two hours
[07:53] <judax> jjesse: I hear ya, that is my life too
[07:55] <jjesse> yeah i'm heading into another two in a bit
[07:56] <spayne> mdke: if you hear anything about p.u.c, will you ping me
[08:12] <spayne> mdke: ?
[09:50] <mdke> spayne, yes
[09:50] <mdke> jeez sean is a pain
[09:50] <spayne> sorry
[09:51] <spayne> and i'm not called sean :)
[09:51] <spayne> mdke: FYI, I am Seb Payne, not sean
[09:52] <spayne> mdke: were you referring to me before?
[09:52] <ajmitch> spayne: I don't think he was talking about you then..
[09:53] <mdke> no
[09:53] <mdke> not you
[09:53] <spayne> ajmitch: oh right, just it was immediatly after
[09:53] <mdke> just commenting as I read the mailing list
[09:53] <spayne> mdke: who is sean
[09:53] <ajmitch> yes, you don't usually talk to someone like that after talking to them directly :)
[09:53] <mdke> lol
[09:53] <mdke> well I don't
[09:53] <spayne> ajmitch: depends what sort of person ;)
[09:57] <jjesse> mdke i agree w/ you in regards sean
[09:59] <mdke> he is just around to cause trouble right now afaics
[10:00] <mdke> ok i'm off
[10:00] <mdke> laters
[10:00] <spayne> bye
[10:01] <jjesse> agreed mdke
[10:02] <spayne> i think so - it doesn't seem very nice what he is writing
[10:05] <jjesse> spayne: he has a history of complaining or doing things his own way and then taking his ball and going home if we dont do it his way
[10:05] <spayne> who is he? member? activist?
[10:11] <jjesse> member, wrote a bunch of the docs for kubutu hoary
[10:23] <judax> jjesse: you can just check the preview mdke put up for adept guide at d.u.c, instead of building it tonight, if you prefer
[10:23] <jjesse> judax: thanks will do
[10:23] <jjesse> it will give me something to do as i reboot the servers :)
[10:24] <judax> hehe, must be a bunch of winders boxex
[10:24] <judax> s/boxex/boxes
[10:27] <jjesse> windows servers, patches have been installed need to be rebooted to be applied
[10:27] <jjesse> i'm a windows network admin for a living :)
[10:32] <judax> jjesse: ah gotcha, cool
[10:35] <judax> hehe ubuntu doc is 209MB now, have not checked its size in awhile
[11:35] <judax> jjesse: we need a one-pager for katapult
[11:36] <judax> jjesse: or add it to k quick guide
[11:38] <judax> jjesse: kquickguide is a better idea I think
[11:39] <jjesse> yeah kquickguide is better