=== ogra [n=ogra@HSE-Toronto-ppp176552.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] does anyone know where I would file a bug against the eclipse packages? bugzilla.ubuntu.com is being obtuse at me [12:17] malone [12:18] launchpad.net/malone/ [12:18] HiddenWolf, thanks [12:18] PlanarPlatypus, np [12:18] lalallaa [12:18] http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/a_bad_taste_in_the_mouth_detailed_ubuntu_patch_review-2005-10-13-03-57.html [12:18] *ouch* [12:19] siretart, _Tonio_: the kdelibs4-dev problem is that some far off dependency didnt want to install, no idea if it's been solved [12:21] sup people :D [12:22] discussing ubuntu problems with debian people [12:22] Ummm [12:22] Leave me outta it :D [12:22] yeah [12:23] a lot of it is how ubuntu people (especially MOTUs) don't do much to work with debian [12:23] Hey I have an escuse, I never used Debian ;P [12:23] not much of an excuse === Kyral shrugs [12:23] ajmitch, read that link I posted. It's painful. :( [12:24] considering how 99% of what we do is changing debian packages :) [12:24] I don't really care either way [12:24] Kyral, you should [12:24] HiddenWolf: I've seen it on planet debian [12:24] "Humanity Towards Others" remember? [12:24] Kyral, pissing off debian is not a good plan. [12:24] Kyral, working together saves time and effort, keeping them happy keeps us happy too [12:24] we have enough problems with debian already === Kyral shrugs [12:24] I'm putting together a wiki page about this [12:25] ajmitch, and we should work to resolve those [12:25] about what MOTUs should do [12:25] HiddenWolf, I don't know who you are, but honestly I just like to be left alone to do my work [12:25] Politics of any kind piss me off ;P [12:25] it's not politics, it's common sense === Kyral holds up his hand [12:25] instead of us making a nice wide split with debian [12:25] <_Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for the info. [12:25] Please don't involve me in this [12:25] Kyral, it's not politics. if you can work together with debian, they will do the work for you, so you don't have to work [12:25] <_Tonio_> Riddell: anyway, ther's no emergency, we can wait before upload ;) [12:26] Kyral: it's something to deal with as a MOTU :) [12:26] Yah yah [12:26] _Tonio_: what's to upload? [12:26] ajmitch, suggestion, get some good docs up in coordination with those disgruntled debian guys, and/or ask their input. [12:26] look at my line above [12:26] <_Tonio_> Riddell: packages to revu [12:26] "Humanity Towards Others" [12:26] HiddenWolf: I am a disgruntled debian guy ;) [12:26] When we signed the Code Of Conduct for Ubuntu, we swore to that motto, no? === tigger^ plans to cheat and only maintain things for which he is upstream anyway [12:26] Kyral: others includes debian [12:27] Thats my point [12:27] I'll play nice with Debian [12:27] good === HWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.6.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] My point is why is there a fight about it? [12:27] it's not a fight [12:27] it's a fair list of complaints [12:27] discussion, whatever [12:27] we can disagree without breaking the code of conduct [12:28] Kyral, because we want to stay as close as possible to debian, to avoid duplication of work, and increase maintainability [12:28] "humanity towards others" doesn't mean a mushy lovey tolerance where anything goes === Kyral shrugs [12:29] As I said, I stay out of politics [12:29] Kyral, it's not politics, it's a technical issue [12:29] Which I know nothing about [12:29] So again I shall stay out of it ;P === ajmitch thinks it should be made part of the MOTU approval process :) [12:30] most people will disagree with me of course [12:30] what should? [12:30] ajmitch: depends what the idea is :) [12:30] I wouldn't, but I'm not a motu. :) [12:30] ajmitch: I have no plans to feed debian changes [12:30] tigger^: changes to packages in debian [12:30] I'll give my bugfixes to Debian and vice versa [12:30] debian don't carry my stuff [12:30] tigger^: which is fine === dredg exudes mushy lovey tolerance in ajmitch's general direction [12:31] Ubuntu shouldn't become Debian. Isn't the right to fork a part of the GNU philosopy? === ajmitch waves a hammer in dredg's direction :) [12:31] hi all [12:31] ajmitch: quite :) [12:31] Kyral: a fork is what we don't want to be [12:31] Kyral, we're not, and will not be debian, but we don't want to fork [12:31] not in the sense of a full split === Kyral shrugs [12:31] Kyral, we want to take advantage of those ~1000 developers, and improve [12:31] Kyral, where we can give back, we should. [12:31] got a question - could someone tell me if doxymacs package is buildable in breezy repo? [12:32] Do I think Ubuntu should be binary compatable with Debian, yes [12:32] Kyral: uh, a handful of MOTUs replicating the work of 1000 debian developers is... a bit of a task [12:32] I should be able to install something from Sid without Sid trying to replace X [12:32] binary compatibility is hard, you're talking about getting closer to debian than we are now === Kyral shrugs [12:33] I'm better with code than I am with words my friend ;D [12:33] sid is always moving, we freeze [12:34] which is something I like sometimes (Why do you think I jumped to Dapper so fast? I got BORED ;P) [12:36] I can tell you somethin' I don't like. Having to "have" Ubuntu-Desktop to upgrade properly. Can someone explain that to me? :P [12:37] Kyral: how else would you like to get the new desktop components? [12:37] By having the packages installed.... [12:38] ubuntu-desktop ensures that you have the entire desktop distributoin [12:38] I said new ones [12:38] not existing packages, which have to be fetched somehow [12:38] including nano === tigger^ boggles [12:38] I don't know. But don't make it so that you have to reinstall Ubuntu-Desktop [12:38] quite how that's a desktop thing I dunno [12:38] there's no way around it Kyral. [12:38] Yah there is. Make a meta pack [12:38] with all the new stuff [12:39] it IS a meta package.... [12:39] Kyral: it's a core package that pulls in other packages as needed === Kyral falls down [12:39] I know what Ubuntu Desktop does [12:39] then why suggest something identical? [12:39] ubuntu-desktop is the tie that holds the whole desktop distro together [12:39] I'm not. You said Ubuntu-Desktop is needed to pull in all the NEW desktop components [12:40] the new ones, and the old ones [12:40] well, what if I don't use some of the packages in Ubuntu-Desktop? [12:40] Kyral: say a package name changes [12:40] I personally have a very customized system that I don't want to be cluttered [12:40] you put a conflict in ubuntu-desktop [12:40] eg mozilla-firefox ->firefox [12:40] and the old package is removed [12:40] schweeb, do what they did with the FireFox package [12:40] and the new package is added [12:40] transitional package [12:41] that gets sloppy [12:41] No kiddin [12:41] you're just being stubborn. [12:41] PlanarPlatypus: working fine now ;) [12:41] ubuntu-desktop is THE way to do it [12:41] Kyral: I have to say, coming from what I used before, it sucks having to have certain things installed :) [12:41] if you don't like it, it is possible to work around it [12:42] tigger^, excellent. Fyi eclipse now works, bit of a hack needed but it works [12:42] That I may be. But I just think I should be able to jump releases without having to reinstall a bunch of stuff that I'm only going to remove immediately [12:42] you could always manually query ubuntu-desktop, and manually upgrade the packages you know of [12:43] This is an idea. But if you read the documentation on how to upgrade to Breezy it makes it sound like you absolutely must have Ubuntu-Desktop installed [12:44] because the upgrade procedures need to be as simple as possible [12:44] that's the Ubuntu Approved (tm) way to do it === Kyral shrugs [12:44] if you want to do it otherwise, it's your perogative [12:44] I know I know. For the beginners. I'm a power user :D [12:44] then you don't need the docs [12:44] and can figure it out yourself [12:44] *shrug* [12:44] Just wanted to make a suggestion for us non-beginners [12:45] the beginners won't remove ubuntu-desktop. [12:45] I'm a power user, and I find it easier to do it the right way *shrug* [12:45] and the experts know to read documentation [12:45] They may by accident [12:45] whiprush: nice to see the universe tour on the fridge [12:45] Removing Evolution for one [12:46] I doubt I've got ubuntu-desktop installed, and I can manage upgrades [12:46] Anyway, I've stirred up enough trouble for one day === Kyral goes to sit in his corner [12:46] nothing compared to the trouble I can stir up >:) [12:47] Which is why I'm shutting up ;P [12:47] ajmitch: yeah woo! === luk_ is now known as luk [01:13] guys where can I find build log reports produced by lamont? 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[07:34] jtan325: you give us a link to a package that's newer? and then we can get it in dapper [07:37] jtan325: or if the new version is in debian, it'll get synced automatically until UVF [07:37] [ spacey ] [07:37] whoops [07:37] ? [07:37] http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/jtan325/conky/ [07:37] 1.3.3 is the newest version [07:37] 1.3.1 is what's currently in the repositories [07:37] and you've talked to your debian sponsor? [07:38] no, i sent an email today [07:38] because that way avoids duplication of work, and avoids breaking syncability [07:38] ok, i'll wait for a response from him then [07:38] thanks [07:38] as soon as we upload something with a version like -0ubuntu1, it'll stop automatic syncs in future === CaiN_SA [n=cain@rrba-146-94-75.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-76.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tifa [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-085-141.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0449.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:26] hellas [08:28] hey dholbach [08:28] how are you? [08:28] not in .ca yet? ;) [08:28] not yet, no [08:29] you? [08:29] no [08:29] I leave tomorrow morning [08:29] i'll be there on 19th [08:29] 29th? [08:29] 29th, yes :) [08:29] I'll get in a few hours before you [08:30] we'll be quite a bunch motus :) [08:30] yep [08:30] ... of ... === YokoZar [n=scott@c-67-182-179-83.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:31] I'm arriving on the 29th as well, but in the evening [08:32] 19:25 local time [08:33] so we'll be the guys that complain about jetlag? ;) [08:33] hah [08:33] of course [08:36] dholbach: no, if you arrive in the evening, you'll be exhausted (I mean, timezone-corrected it's 00:30) [08:36] dholbach: so you get a good night of sleep, and it's 9:00 in the morning :) [08:36] dholbach: minor jet-lag :) [08:37] i arrive at 12:00 :) === TMM [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@alabama.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luk__ [n=luk@205.222-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:20] Treenaks: I will arrive in the evening, guess it will be good for sorting the timezone [09:20] :) [09:25] someone knows a simple way to get his gpg passphrase cached ? I can get something working using kgpg/pinentry-qt/gpg-agent. Only seahorse (gnome) works fine. Any idea for a Kde based solution ? [09:26] pef: why do you need to cache it? [09:27] sivang: debuild packages again and again :) [09:27] pef: ah :) [09:27] pef: I don't mind entering mine everytime, it makes it secure :-) [09:27] morning [09:27] zyga: morning [09:27] <\sh> moins [09:28] pef: seahorse [09:28] sivang: mine is realy a "phrase", and is longer to type [09:28] <\sh> seahorse is bad [09:28] pef: ah sorry didn't read to the end [09:28] pef: why are you signing stuff you don't upload? [09:29] Mithrandir: musn't I sign sources packages when I run dpkg-buildpackage ? === luk__ is now known as luk [09:30] Mithrandir: when I upload something to revu, dput seems to check my sig [09:32] pef: how long ?:) === sivang wonders why his public key is realtively shorter then others he'd seen [09:33] when exported with --armor [09:33] oh side question [09:33] sivang: maybe you have less signatures on it [09:34] is it supposed to be no sound in monkey-bubble? [09:34] sivang: or less uids, or the key has less bits :) [09:34] when I build stuff with dpkg-buildpackage seahorse works fine and asks for passphrase [09:34] when I build stuff with debuild it never works, I'm asked to type the passphrase in the shell and it's aways incorrect [09:34] Nafallo: you need the sound package AFAIR [09:35] where is that then? [09:35] zyga: I find this as a bug in bugs.debian.org, very old bug I remember [09:35] nope, there are /usr/share/monkey-bubble/sounds/* [09:35] Nafallo: hmm, used to be split up.. [09:35] sivang: 2.5Ko [09:36] zyga: you're not thinking of frozen-bubble then? [09:37] Nafallo: ahhh [09:37] Nafallo: sorry, similar name [09:39] Treenaks: If you look at it (from lp) can you tell me what you think? === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:43] go to motorcycle lessons, bye ! [09:44] Treenaks: btw, as more signatures I have, the longer it gets? [09:45] sivang: yes, because those will be exported too (so when you import, you get all signatures back :)) [09:46] <\sh> Treenaks: thx for your comment ;) [09:46] \sh: np ;) [09:46] <\sh> Treenaks: but as i said yesterday, my HG looks better then me in the moment [09:47] \sh: I'll compare again in Montreal [09:47] hmm, people alerting the u-devel mailing list about dapper bugs already? ;) [09:47] <\sh> damn...i won't make it to get an appointment for a hairdressre === CaiN_SA [n=cain@rrba-146-94-75.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:47] \sh: I hope you feel better soon [09:47] \sh: I'm sure we can sort something out in montreal for you ;) [09:48] ajmitch: lol, then it would be for me as well [09:48] <\sh> so...I my hair will grow [09:48] <\sh> another long haired motu for the future ,) [09:48] haha [09:48] not nearly as long as some [09:49] <\sh> ogra is my idol ,) [09:49] yeah [09:49] lol [09:49] <\sh> i wonder if he found a hostel or hotel room now...he should be in montreal [09:49] he has [09:50] <\sh> great [09:50] 11:04 < ajmitch> in montreal already? [09:50] 11:04 < ogra> yup [09:50] 11:04 < ogra> since 10 min in the hostel [09:50] cool [09:51] screen -rd [09:52] heh, oh well [09:52] Mithrandir: wb :) === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:55] <_Tonio_> morning all === thesaltydog [n=Fabio@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:01] I have seen that bum has been synched in dapper. Today there is a full new v.2.0.0 available on debian. Is there any motu that can sync this new version? === herzi [n=herzi@c206080.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh is doing some real life work....brb [10:07] it will be autosynced === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-0523.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:10] grazie daniel [10:10] I didn't know about this autosynching process. === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:15] Lathiat: hi [10:16] zyga: sup [10:16] hello zyga [10:16] Lathiat: do you know anything about lucas' cooperation with debian? [10:16] ajmitch: hi :-) [10:16] zyga: whos lucas? [10:16] as in irc nick lucas? [10:17] Lathiat: yes [10:17] no idea [10:17] lucas: ping === zyga didn't notice lucas is here [10:17] zyga what do youi mean ? [10:17] lucas: you were saying that ruby should be fixed in debian and then synce [10:18] I was wondering wether there is any progress in this matter [10:18] whats wrong with it? [10:18] which bug? [10:18] Lathiat: generic ruby issues [10:18] bug no? [10:18] Lathiat: packaging scheme and such [10:19] Lathiat: I'm not sure there is any but somene might correct me [10:20] its hard to fix bugs [10:20] if there is no bug [10:20] :) [10:20] there should be one, at least in ubuntu, if not debian [10:23] what are the problems with the packaging scheme ? === zyga must need memory chip replaced === Tifa [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:24] lucas, Lathiat: maybe I've confused something - I feel terrible today === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.123.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-57-11.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B163A.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sedak [n=fred@home.nenya.info] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@d014083.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StrikeForce [n=marc@203-59-15-65.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] <\sh> re [12:41] \sh: re :) === HWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.178.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] <\sh> sivang: just packed the book of bob young in my bag === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] hmm, bags [12:43] I should probably pack sometime ;) [12:43] haha [12:43] I've still got ~12hrs before I fly [12:43] plenty of time [12:43] <\sh> oh well... [12:44] <\sh> i'm w8ing for my washing to be finished, so that i have dry clothes for saturday ,) [12:44] mine is mostly dry [12:44] <\sh> my first load of washing is not even finished... [12:45] heh [12:47] <\sh> that reminds me of something...i hope my jacket is here in my flat somewhere and not in my ex-wifes house [12:47] mine is sitting here, got it a couple of weeks ago :) [12:47] <\sh> i mean the boss one [12:48] <\sh> but hey...nobody told me to take casual clothings with me...so t-shirts and warm stuff must do [12:48] heh [12:48] definitely casual [12:49] <\sh> no...for me is casual something like trousers != jeans != leather [12:49] heh [12:49] <\sh> u know..a nice boss outfit [12:49] <\sh> lets check [12:50] when do you fly? [12:51] hm, someone emailing me directly asking about IDEs for doing pygtk work [12:52] ehm [12:52] <\sh> ajmitch: saturday...means in less then 36 h [12:52] <\sh> glade and emacs [12:52] why does monkey-bubble eat 100% CPU? :-) [12:52] <\sh> or glade and vim [12:52] <\sh> or eric [12:53] <\sh> which is qt python stuff [12:53] <\sh> but my jacket is here...and my ties as well [12:54] \sh: yeah, this guy looked at glade & anjuta & boa constructor [12:54] <\sh> so i'm prepared [12:54] so I don't know what I can add :) [12:54] <\sh> eric [12:54] <\sh> thats all === ajmitch will suggest the use of libglade, at least [12:55] nah [12:55] pygtk [12:55] <\sh> boa constructor is pygtk-wx [12:55] wants something to put together interfaces easily, which is usually glade [12:55] not that I've used it much :) [12:55] <\sh> glade [12:55] ^ [12:55] \sh: you sound a lot more prepared than I am [12:56] and I fly in ~12 (now 11) h [12:56] Where must I suggest packages that not in debian for inclusion into universe? [12:57] UniverseCandidates [12:57] or upload to REVU if you have a package [12:57] <\sh> ajmitch: yeah..but i think i'm more nervous then u r :) [12:57] \sh: dunno why :) [12:57] all I need is laptop, ticket & passport ;) [12:58] <\sh> ajmitch: just because I have problems during take offs and landings [12:58] ah [12:58] <\sh> that means...i have to write my last will [12:58] I have problems having to sit in a seat & get bored for hours on end [12:59] <\sh> ajmitch: oh well..this is not my problem at all..ok, the stewardess will be a bit annoyed to come with the beer every 10 mins ,) [12:59] hehe :) [12:59] <\sh> and i hope air canada has nice movies on the plane...just like BA [01:00] I'll be on an air NZ plane to the US [01:00] I hope I get an upgraded plane :) [01:01] Nafallo: ouch yes, it does :) [01:01] <\sh> dholbach: still in .de? [01:02] yep [01:02] dholbach: I noticed on the fan and then looked at gnome-system-monitor ;-) [01:02] now berlin, tonight, trier, saturday frankfurt :) [01:02] the worst thing was that it takes 100% with only the first screen up :-P [01:02] and that I have no sound... ;-) [01:04] feel free to send me a patch, i will include it ;) [01:04] :-) [01:08] Flight 9604 from frankfurth anyone? [01:08] except \sh ;) [01:11] <\sh> hehe [01:15] BA0435 from Amsterdam on Saturday anyone? Or BA0095 from Heathrow? ;) [01:15] ;) [01:16] siretart: luckily, I got another ubuntu-nl guy to come with me :) [01:16] siretart: so I won't be bored all the time :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F880.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] why does dh_make create manpage files? [01:18] I assume I can just bin them? [01:18] depends [01:18] does upstream ship manpages? [01:18] Yeah [01:18] I do [01:18] :) [01:18] then you can :) [01:19] some upstreams don't :) [01:19] then the package mainteinaer has to take care of it [01:19] I would comment on all this packaging stuff, but I can't phrase it without sounding like a flame [01:20] Which it really isn't [01:20] But I'll keep quiet and just do it ;P [01:20] dholbach: hello [01:20] pef hello, how are you? [01:21] dholbach: fine, thanks, and you ? [01:21] me too, thanks :) [01:21] what is "emacsen"? [01:22] remove it :) [01:22] emacs stuff [01:22] you probably won't need [01:22] dholbach: concerning this bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kcheckgmail/+bug/2018, can I upload the corrected package to REVU ? [01:22] k [01:23] debdiff? [01:25] dholbach: an upload to revu makes the review faster, isn't it ? [01:25] no idea :) [01:26] eheh [01:26] so I will upload both of them [01:26] just do malone [01:26] i have a look [01:27] that's a problem in hoary? [01:29] dholbach: I think, because package in Hoary is an old version, and I can't see any fix on hoary-updates === _Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] is the bug in breezy and dapper too? [01:30] dholbach: for breezy I have change my fix, and for dapper a sync from Debian (they have applied my fix) is needed [01:31] changed my fix to apply on breezy's version [01:31] if you can check the packages on breezy and hoary, we can push them in via breezy-updates and hoary-updates, but that's something for mdz/kamion to review [01:33] dholbach: hatari? how was that sponsored? [01:33] it was an apt-get.org thing [01:33] changelog just doesn't say what was changed :) [01:34] the maintainer asked me to upload it and i didnt want to ask him to change version/distribution [01:34] dholbach: ok, I will try to write a patch for hoary's version. Another question, package's version on breezy is 5.3a-1build1, should I increase it to 5.3a-1build2 or to 5.3a-2 ? [01:34] if you do a change, then it's 5.3a-1ubuntu1 [01:34] a REAL change :) [01:35] dholbach: sorry to complain, I just don't like seeing changelog entries like that :) [01:35] since it give very little info [01:35] yeah, i should have made a proper use of -v === ajmitch shouldn't tell off the master MOTU - you're the one who has the power ;) [01:37] dholbach: applying a patch is a REAL change ? (without the patch the app doesn't work) [01:37] no, it was perfectly right, to say that [01:37] pef: certainly [01:37] pef: any change to the source or the packaging [01:37] pef: yes, buildN is just for rebuilds (where you just change the changelog) [01:38] ok, thanks ! :] [01:39] ok, got ac adaptor for phone, camera & laptop [01:39] tickets, passport, laptop.. [01:39] I guess I just need to finish packing clothes :) [01:40] <\sh> ajmitch: when r u arriving in CA? local time? [01:41] 0711 on the 29th ;) [01:42] (yes they put 11) [01:42] ajmitch: date line \o/ [01:42] Treenaks: yep, leave NZ friday night, arrive friday lunchtime in US :) [01:43] dholbach: about that Universe, MOTU, & Debian BOF.. it came out of a discussion on #d-devel earlier today [01:44] dholbach: for information, only mdz approve breezy-updates changes [01:44] pef: merci [01:44] ajmitch: i see, yeah, we should talk about it [01:44] <\sh> ajmitch: so early in the morning...+4915201542346 (priv. mobile) siretart and I will arrive around 1600 at the airport...so i hope 1700 at least i'm ready to have some food and drinks [01:44] dholbach: I still have a bias towards getting things into debian where possible :) [01:45] \sh: heh ok [01:45] <\sh> ajmitch: i can't speak up for siretart [01:46] \sh: I'll be busy at 5pm, but I should be around before then or after 6 === ajmitch can't get to church on sunday, so has to go saturday evening :) [01:47] <\sh> ajmitch: send me your mobile no. so I'll send an sms [01:47] ok [01:47] <\sh> a sms..not an sms [01:47] <\sh> ajmitch: or query it ,) [01:47] hopefully roaming will work there [01:47] ajmitch: check the wiki :) [01:47] Treenaks: I know :) [01:48] ajmitch: I added a note about what _should_ work :) === jinty [n=jinty@p54BF7CB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] Treenaks: I'll check it out tomorrow at the airport - I've got a 6 hour wait up in auckland :) [01:49]