[12:02] <nalioth> Hentai-sama: some people have very messed up systems, because they read from forum posters who have no clue or are malicious
[12:03] <nalioth> and people with messed up systems do have a rough go of upgrading, b/c their system is fubar'd in the first place
[12:04] <Hentai-sama> hm i see
[12:04] <_manveru> the best bet would be to dl the dvd
[12:05] <_manveru> and just add it as source
[12:05] <_manveru> in case the dist-upgrade goes wrong - you have all the data
[12:05] <Distro^Junkie> where do I find the dvd ?
[12:05] <_manveru> torrent or http
[12:05] <Hentai-sama> isnt the dvd just the LIVE+Installer?
[12:06] <Distro^Junkie> ok found it
[12:06] <_manveru> yeah, think so
[12:06] <Distro^Junkie> 10 minutes to download 206mb
[12:07] <_manveru> but having the dvd is never bad... i love it to show kubuntu to my friends :)
[12:07] <Hentai-sama> is there any advantage of having the dvd as a source, as opposed to the regular installer cd
[12:08] <_manveru> i guess not
[12:08] <_manveru> if you don't want the live-cd
[12:08] <_manveru> plus there are few people who seed the dvd, it's a bit slow
[12:08] <Distro^Junkie> rather use the dvd as to waste more space on a dvd then needed
[12:09] <dipnlik> question: is the ubuntu live-cd "installable"? I have an ubuntu live-cd but didn't see any flashy icon or option to "install" or "copy to the hd" or something like that
[12:10] <Hentai-sama> dipnlik i dont think so, because the installer-cd comes in a separate iso-file
[12:11] <Distro^Junkie> dipnlik: you need the live dvd+ installer
[12:12] <dipnlik> Distro^Junkie, Hentai-sama: ok, thanks
[12:14] <tarheelcoxn> dipnlik: it is installable, but there's no obvious/easy way
[12:14] <tarheelcoxn> chroot install
[12:15] <dipnlik> tarheelcoxn: ok, will get more info on that some other time, but thanks
[12:15] <kkathman> hey there tarheelcoxn  :)
[12:15] <kkathman> wassup "_
[12:15] <kkathman> oops :)
[12:15] <tarheelcoxn> kkathman: not much
[12:15] <tarheelcoxn> waitin' for work to cross my desk
[12:16] <kkathman> LOL somehow I never have to wait for that :(
[12:16] <tarheelcoxn> waitin' to get off work to go see DCFC :)
[12:16] <kkathman> DCFC ?
[12:16] <tarheelcoxn> Death Cab for Cutie
[12:16] <tarheelcoxn> = band
[12:16] <kkathman> AHh ok
[12:16] <kkathman> didnt make the correlation
[12:16] <tarheelcoxn> they're apparently popular among teenage girls now
[12:16] <tarheelcoxn> le sigh
[12:17] <Thunderguy> Hey, I have an HP Deskjet 3740 printer, I haven't done anything with the settings yet, but when I go into printer settings in KDE it locks down with a "initializing manager" window, and I can't adjust anything.
[12:18] <tarheelcoxn> Thunderguy: have you tried running the printer widget from the command line to see what errors it spits at you?
[12:18] <Thunderguy> What printer widget command would I be running?
[12:19] <tarheelcoxn> what does ps -U <your_username> give you right now?
[12:19] <tarheelcoxn> I'm assuming you're running the printer widget
[12:19] <tarheelcoxn> (I don't know what it's called)
[12:20] <Thunderguy> well, the last one it is showing, is System Settings
[12:22] <Thunderguy> kcmshell.
[12:22] <tarheelcoxn> try running that from the command line instead of getting it from a menu
[12:23] <Thunderguy> just did, and there were no errors in the command line, it just brought up the widget into the Gui and the Gui is giving me "initializing manager"
[12:24] <Thunderguy> It says the printing system it is currently using is Cups
[12:24] <Thunderguy> So I'm guessing it is having problems with Cups?
[12:24] <tarheelcoxn> try going to a browser and...
[12:25] <tarheelcoxn> http://localhost:631
[12:25] <Thunderguy> I just did that as well.
[12:25] <tarheelcoxn> any luck?
[12:25] <Thunderguy> Nope.
[12:25] <tarheelcoxn> harumph
[12:25] <tarheelcoxn> what did CUPS have to say?
[12:25] <Thunderguy> I haven't configured anything though with the printer, this really is a fresh start with cups.
[12:25] <Thunderguy> nothing.
[12:26] <tarheelcoxn> oh... try adding the printer with CUPS, then
[12:26] <tarheelcoxn> see if that works
[12:26] <Thunderguy> cups is unresponsive to me, I only know it is running and it is in rc2.d for startup.
[12:26] <Thunderguy> hmm, you know how I might add it with cups?
[12:28] <tarheelcoxn> Thunderguy: you weren't able to log in to the webmin?
[12:28] <Thunderguy> Nope, could there be a specific group I need to put myself to?
[12:29] <Thunderguy> Sadly I couldn't use a regular Ubuntu install ( installer crashed ) and I had to use an expert install to resolve regular installer crashes, that install made me a root account and I had to create my own user account.
[12:29] <tarheelcoxn> the CUPS login is the root login
[12:29] <tarheelcoxn> you'll have to log into CUPS as root
[12:29] <Distro^Junkie> brb
[12:29] <Thunderguy> so now that I have my custom made user account with 'adduser' I'm not sure if I need any groups for the printer.
[12:30] <Distro^Junkie> reboot time 
[12:30] <Thunderguy> ah.
[12:30] <Thunderguy> well even connecting to localhost:681 as root doesn't work.
[12:30] <tarheelcoxn> localhost:631
[12:30] <tarheelcoxn> unless they changed it recently
[12:31] <tarheelcoxn> should be 631
[12:31] <blueyed> The "Terminal Sessions" button on my main panel does not pop up a list of terminal sessions anymore. Is this a kde 3.5beta problem? I still have the sessions in Konsole's "Session" menu.
[12:31] <Thunderguy> ah yes, hmm well 631 isn't working either.
[12:32] <Thunderguy> I launched the KDE printer widget as 'root' and it is still locking up with the same messages.
[12:34] <nalioth> everybody run quickly!
[12:36] <kkathman> lol
[12:36] <Distro^Junkie> well everything seems to work so far
[12:36] <Tm_T> :(
[12:36] <Distro^Junkie> even after the update
[12:37] <Distro^Junkie> how do I get amarok updated to 1.3.5 ?
[12:37] <Distro^Junkie> am I missing a repository ?
[12:38] <Tm_T> http://www.kubuntu.org/announces/
[12:38] <nalioth> Distro^Junkie: visit kubuntu.org and have fun
[12:38] <Distro^Junkie> lol thanx nalioth 
[12:38] <nalioth> Distro^Junkie: remember one can get cut on the bleeding edge
[12:39] <TedLemon> Have y'all had any luck getting sound working with kubuntu?
[12:39] <Distro^Junkie> isn't 1.3.5 being shipped with breezy now ?
[12:40] <Distro^Junkie> or maybe I misread it somewhere
[12:40] <Tm_T> Distro^Junkie: yes, thru that separate repository
[12:41] <Thunderguy> hrm, seems like I have to go to linux to get the camera working, then windows to get the printer working, heh.
[12:41] <Tm_T> er
[12:42] <Thunderguy> yeah, I have 0 time to full with it, I need to get this printed right now, so I'll fool with it later, see ya.
[12:42] <Thunderguy> fool*
[12:42] <nalioth> Distro^Junkie: no, it just was released a few days ago
[12:57] <kkathman> now here's something new
[12:57] <Tm_T> it's old
[12:57] <Tm_T> don't try convince me!
[12:58] <Tm_T> ok, I really should get some sleep
[12:58] <pv_> well, *that's* old
[12:58] <Tm_T> =)
[12:58] <Tm_T> truw
[12:59] <Tm_T> true
[12:59] <Tm_T> I'm old too
[01:06] <humbolt> I do not find a way to resize the icons in the K menu. And no place to influence the icon size of the new system settings app that comes with kubuntu.
[01:07] <humbolt> The system settings app does not even fit on a 1280x800 screen! This sucks a lot! How stupid is it to program a system config panel that you can't resize?!
[01:10] <Tm_T> :(
[01:10] <_manveru> hmm
[01:10] <bastardkestrel> i got a good question
[01:10] <_manveru> humbolt: about what system-settings-app do you talk?
[01:11] <bastardkestrel> when you log out of Ubuntu
[01:12] <bastardkestrel> what happens to irc if i go then to kubuntu?
[01:12] <_manveru> you mean, when you log out of gnome?
[01:12] <_manveru> and then go to kde?
[01:12] <nalioth> bastardkestrel: what irc client do you use?
[01:12] <bastardkestrel> x-chat, and konversation
[01:13] <_manveru> the clients will be closed
[01:13] <bastardkestrel> just x-chat right now
[01:14] <bastardkestrel> ok thanks
[01:15] <bastardkestrel> there is a small probelm saving wallpapers
[01:15] <nalioth> bastardkestrel: just ask your questions
[01:15] <bastardkestrel> using get more wallpapers in kde
[01:16] <humbolt> _manveru: the max osx styled one "system settings 0.2" not kcontrol, while some tabs in kcontrol are setup as stupid either!
[01:16] <bastardkestrel> there seem to be 2 diff. folders for wallpapers is the problem
[01:16] <nalioth> bastardkestrel: yes, one for gnome and one for kde
[01:16] <_manveru> humbolt: i never heard about that one
[01:17] <nalioth> bastardkestrel: use /usr/share/wallpaper
[01:17] <bastardkestrel> nalioth:  in kubuntu only
[01:17] <_manveru> yeah
[01:17] <_manveru> ~/.kde/share/wallpapers is a standard-folder as well
[01:17] <nalioth> bastardkestrel: well then i'm interested in the other dir
[01:18] <humbolt> _manveru: start with systemsettings. this is one of the "great" kubuntu inventions!
[01:18] <bastardkestrel> there is one at change wallpaper where you see usually all of them,
[01:18] <_manveru> humbolt: ah, this one....
[01:19] <bastardkestrel> just a sec
[01:19] <_manveru> humbolt: there is the nasty problem that you have to make it fullsize when you want to access the buttons on the bottom
[01:20] <nalioth> pooh_: your topic is offtopic here, too
[01:20] <humbolt> _manveru: yes, and well and smaller screens, you wont see anything even with fullsize!
[01:21] <_manveru> humbolt: didn't know that, but i thought it is a real problem
[01:21] <somerville32> Hello
[01:21] <somerville32> If I type 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[01:21] <humbolt> _manveru: I go to the user management tab on my 1280x800 screen and I can't even access the sudo button!
[01:22] <somerville32> Will it be the same as downloading the latest version, burning it, and installing it?
[01:22] <_manveru> somerville32: not exactly, it will install all the packages you need, and leave the rest of your system as it is now
[01:22] <_manveru> somerville32: with a greater chance of something to go wrong
[01:23] <humbolt> Well, the fu**ing app which has been made the standard kubuntu config app, is useless, if you can't even change to superuser mode!
[01:23] <nalioth> somerville32: yes, only better
[01:23] <somerville32> :/
[01:23] <_manveru> humbolt: well, i never used much of these config-apps...
[01:23] <humbolt> I just use kcontrol but newbies will think KDE is a total crap
[01:24] <somerville32> Is the gnome desktop alot better now?
[01:24] <somerville32> How do I install a new monitor?
[01:25] <somerville32> Err... new video card really
[01:25] <bastardkestrel> this is kde
[01:25] <humbolt> _manveru: jaja! so how do you configure the icon size of this, and the ... of that then? that it is more convinient to use the command line to add a user to a group, you and me know, the rest of the world "linux for the rest of us" does not!
[01:25] <_manveru> hmm
[01:26] <_manveru> time for me to get some sleep
[01:26] <somerville32> KDE doesn't regonize my new video card? What ever shall I do?
[01:26] <_manveru> KDE can't recognize it
[01:27] <somerville32> How do I get it to work then?
[01:27] <_manveru> do a 'dpkg-reconfigure xorg' will do that i guess
[01:27] <_manveru> not sure about the exact package tho...
[01:27] <nalioth> somerville32: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[01:27] <_manveru> exactly :)
[01:28] <_manveru> gn8 lads, before i help someone setting up us the bomb
[01:28] <icewt> what's the "right" place in KDE to put applications that should be started automatically when loggin in?
[01:29] <_manveru> icewt: just let them open - they will start automatically
[01:29] <_manveru> icewt: they only have to be running when you log out
[01:29] <icewt> _manveru: that's not the behavior i want
[01:30] <icewt> _manveru: i sometimes leave stuff open but don't want them to be started when i log in again. i just want kmix to start up every time
[01:30] <_manveru> hmm
[01:30] <_manveru> yeah, there is a possibility
[01:30] <_manveru> you can save a session that is loaded every time you log in
[01:31] <_manveru> lemme search the option
[01:31] <_manveru> got it
[01:32] <_manveru> kcontrol -> kde-components -> session-control
[01:32] <_manveru> (the words may differ as i am on a german kde
[01:32] <_manveru> +)
[01:33] <icewt> ok. thank you :)
[01:33] <_manveru> so, off to fetch some sleep
[01:33] <_manveru> cya :)
[01:33] <icewt> i would get crazy if i was using linux in my own language ;)
[01:34] <_manveru> argh :)
[01:34] <_manveru> why's that?
[01:34] <_manveru> finnish?
[01:35] <icewt> yeah
[01:35] <_manveru> not too much translation
[01:35] <icewt> i can't find anything / i understand nothing if it's in finnish ;)
[01:35] <_manveru> well, it doesn't make much difference for me if it is english or german... in fact i don't even recognize if there is english instead of german
[01:36] <_manveru> hmm, odd :)
[01:36] <_manveru> *off*
[01:37] <Snifffurt> can I link the password shadow group sudoers and hosts files into my 32bit chroot, instead of copying them there? 
[01:38] <Snifffurt> because this way I would not have to update them if they change
[01:39] <Snifffurt> I'm trying to make my 32bit chroot for running 32bit apps propper
[01:43] <dmlinux> How do you make it so when you open a folder it stays at the size you had it at last, not blown up 
[01:44] <Snifffurt> dmlinux: ?
[01:45] <dmlinux> sniffurt when i open a folder from the desktop it goes back to a default size ( the window) i want to set the size of the window smaller, so i can open it and it doesnt take 3/4 of the screen up
[01:45] <Snifffurt> ah, you mean konquerors default window size
[01:45] <Snifffurt> ?
[01:45] <dmlinux> sniffurt precisly
[01:47] <Snifffurt> dmlinux: try the button on the upper left
[01:47] <Snifffurt> there is an option called extended or so with submenues... (i dont know the exact name because of non english install)
[01:48] <Snifffurt> there should be a option for special window settings
[01:49] <Snifffurt> or settings for special windows, in the geometry tab you can set the size to be used at initialization
[01:50] <Snifffurt> this way it workx at my place
[01:51] <dmlinux> sniffurt i dont see a geometry tab
[01:51] <Snifffurt> as I said, maybe they are called different
[01:51] <dmlinux> sniffurt i got it
[01:51] <Snifffurt> I can just guess
[01:51] <Snifffurt> :)
[01:52] <Snifffurt> what is it called, just for interest?
[01:52] <Snifffurt> just wondering, I mean
[01:53] <dmlinux> sniffurt window specific settings, then click new, its under there
[02:43] <sophie_> hello all
[02:43] <sophie_> i've got a quick question
[02:44] <Hobbsee> morning all
[02:45] <sophie_> ive just updraded to kde 3.4.3 on hoary and now every time i start kde control panel x freezez
[02:48] <os2mac> for the record I get an intermittan freeze on kicker when I am using that version KDE on Breezy....
[02:48] <sophie_> how can i diagonistic what is going on
[02:53] <sophie_> how can i diagonistic what is going on
[02:55] <os2mac> I haven't been able to get an answer on that myself....
[02:55] <os2mac> I suspect it's a problem with KDE but I don't know that....
[02:56] <sophie_> os2mac: should i revrt back to 3.4.2
[02:56] <sophie_> os2mac: or upgrade to breezy
[02:57] <os2mac> well I am having similiar problems in Breezy....
[02:57] <os2mac> so I don't know that upgrading will fix it. 
[02:57] <stbain> hate to make you repeat yourself, but I only caught the tail end of the conversation
[02:57] <stbain> what problems are you having, os2mac 
[02:57] <Hobbsee> ubotu reinstallgrub is The guide to reinstalling GRUB is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76652
[02:57] <ubotu> okay, Hobbsee
[02:58] <dmlinux> Anyone know how to change the icons in your system tray?
[02:58] <os2mac> kicker freezes on me after upgrading KDE>
[02:58] <nalioth> Hobbsee: where have you been?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> nalioth: around, for the last few hours, asleep
[02:58] <stbain> sleep is good
[02:58] <nalioth> Hobbsee: wow. sleep
[02:59] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:59] <Hobbsee> ubotu reinstallgrub is to reinstall GRUB, follow the guide at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76652
[02:59] <ubotu> ...but reinstallgrub is already something else...
[03:00] <Hobbsee> !forget reinstallgrub
[03:00] <ubotu> i forgot reinstallgrub, Hobbsee
[03:00] <kinfo> [reinstallgrub]  is not defined
[03:00] <Hobbsee> ubotu reinstallgrub is to reinstall GRUB, follow the guide at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76652
[03:00] <ubotu> okay, Hobbsee
[03:00] <Hobbsee> !reinstallgrub
[03:00] <ubotu> reinstallgrub is, like, totally, to reinstall GRUB, follow the guide at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76652
[03:00] <Hobbsee> good
[03:00] <stbain> except for on my iMac... it goes to sleep and nothing I do in kubuntu will bring the display back
[03:01] <os2mac> stbain.... got any ideas?
[03:01] <stbain> afraid not
[03:02] <os2mac> how do I revert to an earlier version of KDE?
[03:03] <Riddell> os2mac: remove kdelibs4c2 and reinstall from the version you want
[03:03] <os2mac> can I do that from adept?
[03:03] <jsubl2> will kdevelop still work if i update to kde beta
[03:04] <Hobbsee> os2mac: yes
[03:04] <Hobbsee> os2mac: well, you should be able to
[03:04] <os2mac> lemme give it a shot
[03:13] <wotnarg> jusbl2: Almost all apps work just fine in beta2, but the ones upgraded can be unstable.
[03:25] <Cheapy> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=73057&page=2
[03:28] <dmlinux> how do you take a screenshot in KDE???
[03:28] <dmlinux> nm
[03:28] <Hobbsee> dmlinux: kscreenshot
[03:28] <dmlinux> hobbsee got it
[03:28] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:37] <_aseigo> ksnapshot, actually =)
[03:38] <Hobbsee> _aseigo: indeed
[03:54] <SpecialBuddy> how do I get j2sdk from adept
[03:54] <Hobbsee> !javadeb
[03:54] <ubotu> methinks javadeb is for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[03:54] <Hobbsee> ?
[03:55] <SpecialBuddy> how do I install that though
[03:55] <Hobbsee> in a konsole: cd to the directory it is in
[03:55] <Hobbsee> sudo dpkg -i filename<tab>
[03:55] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: use the deb mentioned above, much easier
[03:56] <Hobbsee> nalioth: yes, it was then a question of how to install the deb
[03:56] <Hobbsee> i think
[03:56] <SpecialBuddy> how do I do that
[03:56] <Hobbsee> installing the deb?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> read above, i just answered that, i thought
[03:57] <SpecialBuddy> k
[03:57] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[03:57] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[04:00] <SpecialBuddy> does anyone know how to hook up kate so that I can compile java with it instead of through the console
[04:00] <Knowerrors> I just dled realplayer, didn't install, wanted me to find where the package was manually
[04:00] <Hobbsee> SpecialBuddy: why are you compiling java?
[04:00] <SpecialBuddy> for a class
[04:00] <Knowerrors> anyone tell me where deb files get downloaded to by apt?
[04:01] <crimsun> Knowerrors: /var/apt/cache/archives/
[04:01] <nalioth> ubotu: tell SpecialBuddy about eclipse
[04:01] <crimsun> Knowerrors: wow, I munged that one
[04:01] <crimsun> Knowerrors: /var/cache/apt/archives/ rather
[04:04] <SpecialBuddy> you guys are helpful
[04:04] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:05] <SpecialBuddy> this works for compiling and running applets?
[04:06] <SpecialBuddy> the only reason I'm doing this is because my teacher doesn't know much and she can't figure out why textpad won't compile right so I have to do everything from a prompt
[04:06] <SpecialBuddy> so I was going to see if I can do it with linux
[04:13] <sophie> I've upgraded hoary to kde 3.4.3 and now system is fu*ck** unstable and can,t find why xorg freezes whith no msg in log
[04:13] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: eclipse is a java IDE
[04:13] <SpecialBuddy> IDE?
[04:13] <sophie> i've been stuck with the prob for 3 days
[04:13] <SpecialBuddy> sorry if I sound like a noob but I kinda am
[04:14] <sophie> now I,m trying to upgrade to breezy see if this changes things
[04:14] <sophie> wish me all luck
[04:14] <jsubl2> good luck sophie 
[04:14] <Hobbsee> good luck!
[04:14] <SpecialBuddy> good luck
[04:14] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: I-something developement environment (integrated, i think)
[04:14] <SpecialBuddy> oh
[04:14] <SpecialBuddy> cool
[04:14] <sophie> hell i'll even try kde 3.5 beta 2 if i'm brave
[04:15] <sophie> 10 % done with apt-get
[04:15] <dmlinux> so i got and try and uninstall KLAPTOP, what a mistake, it uninstalls KDE  lol... how ridiculous
[04:15] <sophie> i'll find out in an hour
[04:15] <icewt> good luck, but you'll end up reinstalling anyway ;)
[04:15] <sophie> icewt: why?
[04:15] <SpecialBuddy> what's klaptop
[04:15] <Hobbsee> beta2 is rather unstable
[04:15] <Hobbsee> SpecialBuddy: you mean klaptopdemon?
[04:15] <dmlinux> its a Laptop daemon for power managment, a crappy one at that
[04:15] <sophie> Hobbsee: than no beta for me
[04:15] <jsubl2> yeah i would not go the beta2 route
[04:16] <SpecialBuddy> oh yeah
[04:16] <Hobbsee> !info klaptopdemon
[04:16] <SpecialBuddy> cause I'm using a laptop
[04:16] <Hobbsee> sophie: beta1 seems very stable
[04:16] <sophie> Hobbsee: anyone know how to run both kde 3.5 and 3.4.3 without compiling from sources
[04:16] <dmlinux> hobbsee it is , it sucks
[04:16] <Hobbsee> dmlinux: yes, i know lol...i tried it
[04:16] <crimsun> sophie: you can use a chroot
[04:16] <sophie> dmlinux: beta one is stable or not
[04:17] <Hobbsee> sophie: i dont think you can run 2 lots of kde at the same time
[04:17] <Hobbsee> sophie: i've not had any problems with beta1, had plenty with beta2
[04:17] <jsubl2> yeah beta2 sux
[04:17] <icewt> is there something exceptional in 3.5 when compared to 3.4.3?
[04:18] <sophie> crimsun: chroot /bla apt-get kde???
[04:18] <Hobbsee> icewt: yes, particulary being able to drag adn drop things around on different desktops
[04:18] <dmlinux> hobbsee what i want to know is trying to reinstall KDE before it crashes or whaetver , since removing Klaptopdaemon removes KDe,  i want to know why im installing 237 packages from adept with those 3 things i clicked install,. are these updates?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> dmlinux: what repositories did you recently add/change?
[04:19] <dmlinux> hobbsee none
[04:19] <Hobbsee> and which kde are you on now?
[04:19] <icewt> Hobbsee: ok
[04:19] <dmlinux> hobbsee  how do i tell?
[04:19] <Knowerrors> thx crimsun :)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> dmlinux: help, about kde
[04:19] <sophie> I ahve not smoked a cigarette in 7 days going cold turkey and now my kubuntu lets me down if I still has a crt it would of been cracked
[04:20] <jsubl2> congrats sophie 
[04:20] <sophie> sorry all but XP at work is now more stable than kde 3.4.3 on hoary after upgrade and can't find why
[04:20] <jsubl2> no point in smokin now
[04:21] <sophie> Xorg was so locked that I had to remotly loggin to kill X
[04:21] <Hobbsee> sophie: you can kill x?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> how?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> killall x?
[04:21] <sophie> using my work xp laptop how ironuc
[04:21] <dmlinux> hobbsee 3.4.3
[04:21] <jsubl2> control-alt-backspace
[04:21] <sophie> Hobbsee: sudo kill process id
[04:22] <sophie> jsubl2: conrol-alt-back not working keyboard was not reponding
[04:22] <Hobbsee> dmlinux: probably let it update then
[04:22] <nalioth> Hobbsee: ps aux|grep xorg
[04:22] <nalioth> Hobbsee: then kill xorgs psid
[04:22] <dmlinux> hobbsee looks like its updating to 3.4.3.3
[04:22] <Hobbsee> jsubl2: i wish...when my system locks, it locks way harder than that - it's either a virtual console, or the power button
[04:22] <dmlinux> hobbsee errr 4.3.4.3
[04:22] <Hobbsee> dmlinux: yeah, let it update
[04:23] <Hobbsee> sophie: i'll remember that
[04:23] <dmlinux> hobbsee i dont know this is crazy, i better not have to mess with all my settings agiain
[04:23] <Hobbsee> dmlinux: you shouldnt have to
[04:23] <sophie> 45 % upgrade to breezy done
[04:24] <sophie> I,m getiing nervous
[04:24] <Hobbsee> sophie: yay
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:24] <Hobbsee> sophie: what type of graphics card are you using?
[04:24] <sophie> Hobbsee: should I reboot?
[04:24] <sophie> Hobbsee: old crap geforce 2 agp
[04:24] <jsubl2> Hobbsee, i really don't think i have seen those kinda of system locks
[04:24] <Hobbsee> sophie: in the middle of an upgrade?  no
[04:25] <sophie> Hobbsee: nope using kde 3.4.3 xorg locks especially with kcontrol
[04:25] <sophie> and kate
[04:25] <Hobbsee> jsubl2: that's ok, i dont expect most people have, not sure why they sometimes happen here
[04:25] <Hobbsee> sophie: try 3.5 beta 1
[04:25] <icewt> if it's just downloading and not upgrading, rebooting doesn't really break anything ;)
[04:25] <sophie> sophie: my system had been rock solid with 3.4.1 uptime was over 3 months
[04:25] <Hobbsee> sophie: after the upgrade, that is
[04:26] <sophie> icewt: i'm upgrading
[04:26] <sophie> to breezy
[04:26] <propagandhi> anyone tried opera 9.0 beta or the Flock browser?
[04:26] <nalioth> flock sucs
[04:26] <Hobbsee> no, still thinking of trying firefox 1.5 RC though
[04:26] <propagandhi> I havent tried flock myself yet
[04:26] <nalioth> i compiled it on my ppc t'other night and i'm not impressed at all
[04:26] <icewt> sophie: yeah, but the 45% is just how much has been downloaded, isn't it?
[04:26] <icewt> nothing has been installed yet
[04:27] <sophie> icewt: yep but downloading huge amount of filess over 600MB to upgrade from hoary to breezy
[04:29] <icewt> well, the files already downloaded would still be there after reboot. so rebooting wouldn't really affect in any way. i don't know why you should reboot though.
[04:30] <jsubl2> hobsee tried flock
[04:30] <sophie> icewt: well maybe kdm would be a good thing to restart
[04:30] <Hobbsee> jsubl2: nope, and spell the name properly or otherwise it doesnt go red :P
[04:31] <icewt> sophie: ah, you mean rebooting after the upgrade is finished? i guess that would be a very good idea
[04:32] <sophie> icewt: exactly but I'm paranoid about my uptime its just my pride
[04:32] <Hobbsee> sophie: i recall it forces you to reboot...
[04:32] <sophie> Hobbsee: noooooooooo! just kidding
[04:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:32] <Hobbsee> well, it is a kernel update as well, what do you expect
[04:33] <sophie> At work (nuclaer power plant) to you beleive me that we have a vax machine that has been up for 4 years now
[04:33] <Hobbsee> just be greatful it isnt windows, with way more reboots
[04:33] <Hobbsee> hehe nice
[04:33] <sophie> for everyone VAX not FAX
[04:33] <icewt> sophie: you'll have happy times fixing broken/unconfigured things when it's finished ;)
[04:34] <sophie> icewt: r u talking about your passed experience
[04:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:34] <sophie> icewt: upgrades do not work properly with kubuntu?
[04:34] <nalioth> sophie: they work fine
[04:34] <Hobbsee> oh, they sometimes do
[04:34] <nalioth> sophie: official upgradesw
[04:35] <Hobbsee> they sometimes dont work too well in ubuntu, either
[04:35] <Knowerrors> Do I need realplayer and plugin, or will mplayer and mozmplayer plugin do realaudio fine?
[04:35] <icewt> sophie: i didn't even try to upgrade to breezy. did a clean install. i've read about too many problems here
[04:35] <nalioth> sophie: just keep in mind, to only use 'official kubuntu sources'
[04:35] <sophie> nalioth: i've removed unoffcial from my sources 
[04:35] <icewt> sophie: i've broken my system in debian unstale too many times with major dist-upgrades ;)
[04:36] <sophie> nalioth: if I can get a shell I can fix 90% of the probs
[04:36] <nalioth> icewt: debian unstable is not ubuntu and cant be compared
[04:36] <nalioth> sophie: you go then!
[04:36] <propagandhi> I recently did a clean install of breezy after having already been upgraded to breezy for ages, and I had more issues with the clean install than i did after a full upgrade
[04:36] <hydrogen> err
[04:36] <hydrogen> if you can get a shell
[04:36] <hydrogen> you can fix 100% of problems
[04:36] <Hobbsee> i've trashed my system once dist upgrading, the other time it worked
[04:37] <Hobbsee> clean install is safer, adn you can reuse the cd if you need to
[04:37] <sophie> hydrogen: the othe 10% is due to my lack of competence
[04:37] <hydrogen> :-)
[04:37] <nalioth> sophie: you'll be fine
[04:38] <icewt> nalioth: sure it can. the packages may be better tested in ubuntu etc., but things won't get configured they same way they will in clean install of breezy
[04:38] <sophie> 70 % downlaod done I can still quite
[04:38] <sophie> quit
[04:38] <sophie> maybe I should just downgrade to kde 3.4.1
[04:39] <Hobbsee> sophie: nah, give it a go, as long as you've got a backup
[04:39] <icewt> nalioth: i don't think the upgrade process itself is any wiser in ubuntu than in debian (?)
[04:39] <sophie> Hobbsee: backup? whats a backup? 
[04:39] <sophie> Hobbsee: just kidding
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[04:40] <Hobbsee> it's a thing that follows murphy's law
[04:40] <Hobbsee> if you do one, you wont need it.  If you dont do one, all hell breaks loose
[04:40] <sophie> Hobbsee: I live on the edge backups r for the weak and cowards, everytime I upgrade withouit a backup the andreline rush is amazing
[04:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:41] <sophie> Hobbsee: murphy`s law the one that says if you start a toast on a cat`s back the toast is sure to drop on the buttered side?
[04:41] <sophie> oops strap
[04:42] <Hobbsee> yeah, tha'ts an application of it
[04:42] <Hobbsee> sophie: http://www.murphys-laws.com/
[04:42] <propagandhi> how can they say flock is anything special, it looks like its just firefox with things moved around and some different icons
[04:43] <aliveuser> how could i know if a port is already being used and what app is using it??
[04:43] <SpecialBuddy> is there anyway to compile java with kate
[04:43] <sophie> Hobbsee: do u know about The Peter Principle mixed woth Murphys law it explains 99% of all situations at work
[04:43] <Hobbsee> havent heard of the peter principle
[04:43] <sophie> SpecialBuddy: yep code in kate and create a make file in kate
[04:44] <SpecialBuddy> make file?
[04:44] <sophie> SpecialBuddy: Tutorial time! google time on MAKE
[04:45] <Knowerrors> Anyone, how do I make Firefox look decent in Kubuntu?
[04:45] <SpecialBuddy> make huh
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: gtk qt engines thingo
[04:46] <icewt> Knowerrors: system settings -> appearance -> GTK styles and fonts
[04:46] <sophie> Hobbsee: Peter Principale summary:  "The theory that employess within an organization will advance to their highest level of comptence and then be promoted to and remain at a level at which they are incompetent"
[04:46] <Hobbsee> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt i sthe proper name
[04:46] <Hobbsee> sophie: lol...that sounds very true!
[04:47] <aliveuser> how could i know if a port is already being used and what app is using it??
[04:47] <sophie> Hobbsee: so it explains why IT departement head or director knows shit about IT
[04:47] <Hobbsee> aliveuser: lsmod maybe
[04:47] <Hobbsee> lol...very true
[04:48] <aliveuser> tnks
[04:48] <utta> aliveuser: sudo netstat -alnp 
[04:48] <aliveuser> i'll try
[04:48] <sophie> aliveuser: port you mean tcp/ip port
[04:48] <sophie> try netstat
[04:49] <aliveuser> yes
[04:49] <aliveuser> 8080
[04:49] <Knowerrors> icewt: I clicked on "GTK styles and fonts" and nothing came up
[04:50] <utta> aliveuser: sudo netstat -alnp | grep 8080
[04:50] <icewt> Knowerrors: hm? well, is the gtk2-engines-gtk-qt package Hobbsee mentioned installed?
[04:50] <aliveuser> i've just done that
[04:50] <SpecialBuddy> are there kate plugins for java
[04:51] <sophie> starting breezy upgrade in 45 seconds
[04:51] <Knowerrors> yup
[04:51] <Knowerrors> its installed alright
[04:51] <sophie> SpecialBuddy: syntax highlighting support only I beleive
[04:51] <Hobbsee> sophie: yay!
[04:51] <SpecialBuddy> thats it
[04:51] <SpecialBuddy> I'm trying elipse but it didn't install right
[04:51] <sophie> SpecialBuddy: autocompletion
[04:52] <icewt> Knowerrors: strange. so it's just blank?
[04:52] <Bradd_lee> hello
[04:52] <sophie> hello Bradd_lee 
[04:52] <Hobbsee> hi Bradd_lee 
[04:52] <Knowerrors> I click on the icon for it icewt, and it acts like its bringing something up, then nada
[04:53] <SpecialBuddy> autocompletion?
[04:53] <Timmeh> hello
[04:53] <Hobbsee> hi Timmeh 
[04:53] <Bradd_lee> hello sophe and hob
[04:53] <Bradd_lee> how are you doing?
[04:53] <sophie> breezy upgrade just started hardisk scarching time!
[04:54] <Hobbsee> hehe yay
[04:54] <Timmeh> can i get support here?
[04:54] <Bradd_lee> wher eyou from??
[04:54] <sophie> Timmeh: just ask
[04:54] <aliveuser> tnks to all, i solved the problem
[04:54] <aliveuser> :)
[04:54] <Bradd_lee> im a new user for linux
[04:54] <Hobbsee> Bradd_lee: as in country?  Australia
[04:55] <Timmeh> I have Ubuntu, and I want to try out KDE
[04:55] <Bradd_lee> nope
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Timmeh: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:55] <Bradd_lee> make another guess
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Timmeh: in a console
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Bradd_lee: no, i was saying where i was
[04:55] <nalioth> Timmeh: while you do that, also install xubuntu-desktop
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Bradd_lee: new york?
[04:56] <sophie> Timmeh: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:56] <Hobbsee> nalioth: hehe
[04:56] <Hobbsee> nalioth: i should try that sometime
[04:56] <Knowerrors> How do I launce a file manager superuser mode?
[04:56] <icewt> Knowerrors: well, all i can say is that it _should_ look something like this http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gtkstyles4nj.png
[04:56] <Timmeh> I got this: Could not find package kubuntu-desktop
[04:56] <nalioth> Knowerrors: not advised
[04:56] <nalioth> Timmeh: really?
[04:56] <sophie> Knowerrors: kdesu kinqueror
[04:56] <Knowerrors> I like doing that on debian, very convenient and needed for what Im doing
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Timmeh: hoary or breezy?
[04:57] <Knowerrors> I feel crippled w/o it
[04:57] <Timmeh> Hoary
[04:57] <nalioth> Hobbsee: kubuntu-desktop is on both
[04:57] <sophie> Knowerrors: but i dont recommend doing that very dangerous
[04:57] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought
[04:57] <Knowerrors> will just log into kde as root if I can't do root konq
[04:57] <Knowerrors> thx sophie
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: probably safer to use kdesu konqueror
[04:57] <Hobbsee> rather than loggging in as root
[04:58] <Knowerrors> Im only messing with stuff I put there in the first place manually, not system files
[04:58] <Knowerrors> ok, will try kdesu first
[04:58] <Timmeh> Maybe I have an old version of Ubuntu?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> Timmeh: "sudo apt-get install kde" also works, i think
[04:59] <Hobbsee> if it'll let you
[04:59] <nalioth> Hobbsee: not as many packages that way
[04:59] <Hobbsee> true
[04:59] <Knowerrors> how do I get konq file manager mode?
[04:59] <nalioth> Timmeh: in a console, type "apt-cache search kubuntu"
[04:59] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: as in, with root access?
[04:59] <Timmeh> didnt do anything
[05:00] <sophie> Knowerrors: 
[05:00] <Hobbsee> run command "kdesu konqueror"
[05:00] <nalioth> Knowerrors: in kdesu, type konqueror --profile filemanagement
[05:00] <nalioth> Hobbsee: c'mon friend
[05:00] <Knowerrors> right on, thx nalioth
[05:00] <sophie> amazing I was using irssi and did brrezy upgrade and it update to the current version while in this cahnnel
[05:00] <Hobbsee> oh...right...that
[05:00] <Knowerrors> thats what I meant, straigth konqueror gave me web browsing mode
[05:00] <nalioth> sophie: this is not windows
[05:00] <SpecialBuddy> why don't I have synaptic anymore
[05:01] <SpecialBuddy> adept sucks
[05:01] <Hobbsee> SpecialBuddy: you can install it
[05:01] <nalioth> Knowerrors: you can use default konq, just hit the 'home' button and f9
[05:01] <Knowerrors> yeah, I agree, install it
[05:01] <Hobbsee> SpecialBuddy: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[05:01] <sophie> nalioth: windows?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> i havent bothered this time around
[05:01] <sophie> SpecialBuddy: adept is amazing when remotly looging in
[05:01] <Knowerrors> all better for me with synaptic, more features, though not as pretty
[05:02] <SpecialBuddy> I can't seem to get eclipse to work
[05:02] <jariep1_> hello all
[05:02] <Hobbsee> hi jariep1_ 
[05:02] <jariep1_> I just downloaded the DVD for kubuntu
[05:02] <SpecialBuddy> I need to go to the bar
[05:02] <sophie> SpecialBuddy: try apt-get and apt-cache they look really good green on black!
[05:02] <Hobbsee> jariep1_: fun
[05:02] <nalioth> sophie: console is your best friend
[05:02] <sophie> nalioth: console with screen
[05:03] <nalioth> sophie: da best! (i use that all the time)
[05:03] <jariep1_> but when it boots, at first it's fine, then it goes through the setup screens for the live cd and it says it can't detect the cd/dvd drive
[05:04] <jariep1_> i tried booting with a knoppix cd and it works fine
[05:04] <jariep1_> on the same drive
[05:04] <jariep1_> my first dvd and it won't work
[05:04] <nalioth> ubotu: tell jariep1_ about verify
[05:05] <sophie> ubotu: tell sophie about nvidia
[05:05] <jariep1_> yes md5sum is correct
[05:05] <jariep1_> i tested before burning the dvd
[05:05] <Timmeh> Oh, I was in the wrong repository in Synaptic
[05:05] <sophie> nalioth: does ubotu work
[05:06] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sophie about yourself
[05:06] <Hobbsee> !yourself
[05:06] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on this channel! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my databanks on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:06] <jariep1_> have never verified a gpg signature before
[05:07] <jariep1_> just md5sum
[05:07] <kkathman> good evening all:0
[05:07] <sophie> nalioth: ubotu is really slow
[05:07] <Hobbsee> hey kkathman!
[05:07] <kkathman> oops :)
[05:07] <kkathman> Hobbsee!!! Hey there!
[05:07] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:07] <nalioth> sophie: perhaps he's lagged (or you are)
[05:07] <sophie> ubotu: tell sophie about nvidia
[05:07] <Hobbsee> might be sophie lagging, ubotu doenst seem to be lagging here
[05:08] <Hobbsee> !nvidia
[05:08] <ubotu> somebody said nvidia was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:08] <Hobbsee> sophie: you registered?
[05:08] <kkathman> howz everyone tonight :)
[05:09] <sophie> Hobbsee: aah no!
[05:09] <sophie> so u all rebooting my machine breezy upgrade done
[05:09] <Hobbsee> k
[05:10] <sophie> whish me luck all
[05:10] <sophie> goodbye
[05:10] <sophie> see u in a couple minutes or days!
[05:11] <laszlok> does anyone know whats the difference bewteen the CD and DVD
[05:11] <laszlok> it says DVD is install + live, but its 3.1GB not 650MB + 650MB
[05:11] <nalioth> laszlok: cd has either a live or install image, dvd has both
[05:14] <laszlok> ya but two cds is not 3.1GB
[05:14] <nalioth> laszlok: perhaps there's more goodies on it
[05:18] <laszlok> ya, it does, the file list shows the dvd having koffice and others
[05:21] <nalioth> sophie: wb
[05:21] <sophie> hey i'm back with breezy but no X!
[05:21] <sophie> Downloading kernel source so I can install nvidia driver
[05:22] <sophie> nalioth: cant install nvidia from repo 
[05:22] <nalioth> sophie: enable universe and multiverse
[05:24] <jariep1_> ok, something strange is going on, I did everything that wiki page said and the md5sums check correctly, so why does my DVD drive work at bootup of kubuntu DVD live but says it can't detect the drive in the setup?
[05:25] <jariep1_> where do I start?
[05:26] <sophie> nalioth: packahe nvidia is not availaible but refered by another package blab bla
[05:26] <Timmeh> Okay, I installed KDE. I see Gnome still. How do I change the desktop?
[05:26] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sophie about nvidia
[05:26] <nalioth> and ubotu, be nice to her
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Timmeh: logout, then hit session, kde
[05:26] <jariep1_> can somebody walk a newbie through the signifigance the gnuPG
[05:27] <Hobbsee> nalioth: has an excellent link on it
[05:27] <Timmeh> Ah ok
[05:27] <sophie> nalioth: dont want dod brwose wiki with links
[05:27] <nalioth> jariep1_: http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/8746
[05:28] <Hobbsee> hehe...just found that link: http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/8746
[05:28] <jariep1_> ok thanks nalioth
[05:28] <Hobbsee> log files are useufl
[05:28] <nalioth> sophie: fer petes sake, run in a console "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and use the VESA driver til you get your nvidia fixed up
[05:29] <nalioth> well
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:29] <Hobbsee> never reconfigured xorg...
[05:30] <nalioth> guess recofiguring xorg sounds good right now
[05:31] <Hobbsee> whoops lol
[05:31] <Timmeh> wow kde is a lot better than  gnome
[05:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:32] <Hobbsee> i found out what reconfiguring xorg is lol...
[05:32] <nalioth> Timmeh: try enlightenment dr 17
[05:33] <Timmeh> What do you mean?
[05:34] <nalioth> !info enlightenment
[05:34] <ubotu> enlightenment: (The Enlightenment Window Manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.16.6-3ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 436 kB, Installed size: 1168 kB
[05:34] <jariep1_> ok
[05:34] <jariep1_> nalioth, md5sum is correct of the iso file
[05:35] <jariep1_> not sure why it won't boot
[05:35] <jariep1_> at first it works
[05:35] <jariep1_> but when it tries to detect the dvd drive it says it can't find it
[05:36] <nalioth> jariep1_: try it on another machine if you have on
[05:37] <jariep1_> I gave the dvd to somebody to try on their computer
[05:37] <jariep1_> will have to wait, I guess
[05:37] <jariep1_> is there a list of hardware for kubuntu
[05:37] <jariep1_> a list of verified hardware
[05:37] <nalioth> !hardware
[05:37] <ubotu> [hardware]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[05:39] <ubuntu> hello, all
[05:39] <ubuntu> i have a question
[05:39] <Hobbsee> shoot
[05:39] <Timmeh> How do I get that Nalioth?
[05:39] <ubuntu> i run kubuntu 5.10 live cd
[05:40] <jariep1_> nalion, none of it says anything about dvd drives
[05:40] <ubuntu> what is the default password for the user ubuntu?
[05:40] <jariep1_> oops, I meant nalioth
[05:41] <kkathman> ubuntu: whatever you entered during the install
[05:41] <ubuntu> no no
[05:41] <ubuntu> i did not install
[05:41] <kkathman> yes yes
[05:41] <nalioth> Timmeh: install it from the repos. use synaptic
[05:41] <ubuntu> this is the live cd session
[05:42] <nalioth> ubuntu: there is no pass word
[05:42] <kkathman> oh...hehe
[05:42] <Timmeh> ah
[05:42] <kkathman> there isnt one
[05:42] <ubuntu> i will check  it
[05:43] <kkathman> what kind of command do you need on a live CD that needs a password?
[05:43] <kkathman> oh he's gone
[05:43] <Hobbsee> kkathman: if it goes into hibernate, or gets locked somehow
[05:43] <Hobbsee> then you need the p/w, and it's nothing too obvious
[05:46] <kkathman> Hobbsee: ahhh ok..that makes sense I suppose
[05:46] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:46] <Hobbsee> it's a pain
[05:47] <kkathman> I never worked with the Live CD so Im at a disadvantage
[05:47] <Hobbsee> really?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> sheesh...gmail inbox is massive
[05:51] <kkathman> lol
[05:52] <kkathman> too many friends of course :)
[05:54] <Hobbsee> no, not really
[05:54] <Hobbsee> gmail's not my personal inbox
[05:56] <Hobbsee> kkathman: my gmail account is the one i use for the wiki and all that, as it has a decent spam filter, so that the spambots dont pick it up, as happened with my old hotmail one
[05:59] <kkathman> Hobbsee: yeah yeah....yer still popular :)
[05:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:00] <kkathman> I know better :)
[06:00] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:00] <kkathman> what do you use gmail for with regard to the wiki?
[06:00] <kkathman> I must be missing something
[06:01] <Hobbsee> kkathman: notifications of changes on pages
[06:01] <Hobbsee> kkathman: bugzilla / kde bugs too
[06:01] <kkathman> hmm
[06:01] <kkathman> yep Im missing things
[06:02] <Hobbsee> well, you can set if you want alerts or not
[06:02] <kkathman> I'd like to get some notifications of things, but right now my sole source is the RSS from kde.org
[06:02] <kkathman> multiple ones of course
[06:03] <Hobbsee> true
[06:04] <kkathman> Hobbsee: I didnt know wiki had notifications
[06:04] <Hobbsee> if you edit a page you get the option of it
[06:06] <yasser> i get plugins error in opera.....anyway to fix it??
[06:07] <yasser> i installed amarok-xine...still cant play mp3s!!
[06:07] <frank23> yasser: did you change the engine in amarok?
[06:07] <nalioth> yasser: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:08] <yasser> yes i can see that its xine engine...still it cant play mp3s!!
[06:08] <yasser> nalioth: ok
[06:08] <Hobbsee> then register the gstreamer
[06:08] <yasser> gnome apps are looking very ugly & dull....what to do?
[06:09] <frank23> yasser: you can change the skin they use in system settings
[06:10] <frank23> yasser: apperance->Gtk styles and fonts
[06:11] <kkathman> hey frank23 !
[06:11] <frank23> hi kkathman 
[06:11] <yasser> frank23: no change.....if u have gaim, u'll know how its looking.like an X app
[06:11] <kkathman> good evening to you too nalioth  :)
[06:12] <frank23> yasser: you changed the gtk style and restarted gaim?
[06:12] <yasser> frank23: should i change it to raliegh?
[06:13] <frank23> yasser: I use geramik for gtk and keramik for kde
[06:13] <nalioth> kkathman: howdy
[06:13] <yasser> frank23: i see only 2 options........Qt & raliegh....
[06:14] <frank23> yasser: you can install more with synaptic/adept
[06:14] <yasser> frank23: whr can i find them?? 
[06:15] <frank23> in adept,   qt-gtk-themes or something
[06:16] <tarheelcoxn> anybody here messed with oscar?
[06:16] <yasser> frank23: thx:)
[06:16] <frank23> yasser: look for gtk2-engines
[06:17] <yasser> okie
[06:26] <yasser> anyway to fix opera motif error?
[06:26] <nalioth> yasser: d/l the static package
[06:27] <poimen> hi
[06:27] <yasser> nalioth: i installed the static one only...
[06:27] <poimen> I have some avi ( divx movies) that I will like to burn to a normal dvd format so I can see them on eny dvd player
[06:28] <poimen> how can I do that in linux?
[06:28] <nalioth> yasser: then visit opera.com and find the motif libs you need to have
[06:29] <yasser> i cant seem to access system services......its crashing all the time.........
[06:30] <yasser> has anyone here used initNG to reduce bootime??
[06:34] <kkathman> system services?
[06:35] <yasser> yes
[06:35] <yasser> i cant find acidrip!!
[06:35] <kkathman> I guess I dont have a problem with that
[06:36] <kkathman> acidrip, cant you take Nexium for that?
[06:36] <tarheelcoxn> I suppose that means nobody here has tried using oscar
[06:37] <kkathman> tarheelcoxn: the cluster stuff?
[06:37] <tarheelcoxn> kkathman: correct
[06:38] <kkathman> probably you need to find a channel thats more into development
[06:39] <tarheelcoxn> thanks
[06:40] <evaro> hi
[06:40] <evaro> only english?
[06:40] <evaro> or spanish too
[06:40] <evaro> ?
[06:41] <nalioth> ingles aqui, espanol en #ubuntu-es
[06:41] <evaro> oki
[06:41] <evaro> tnk
[06:43] <fujisan> OS: Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) | Connection: T1 | CPU: 1-AMD , 2082MHz, 512KB (0% Load) | RAM 394/512MB (76.95%) | Graphics Card: SAPPHIRE RADEON 9600 ATLANTIS | Resolution: 1280x1024 32bit 60Hz | Last restart: 1Hour 32Minutes 31Seconds | Record uptime: 4Days 12Hours 48Minutes 53Seconds.
[06:43] <fujisan> Oops shit wrong channel
[06:43] <Hobbsee> :))
[06:43] <fujisan> soz
[06:43] <Hobbsee> *:)
[06:43] <fujisan> ;((
[06:43] <nalioth> fujisan: dude. not cool.
[06:43] <fujisan> bad msitake
[06:43] <fujisan> sorry
[06:44] <fujisan> i'm a n00b
[06:44] <nalioth> fujisan: not you're not
[06:44] <fujisan> yes i am
[06:44] <fujisan> i couldnt get cedega to work :?
[06:44] <fujisan> so i had to start up xp to play cs:s :(
[06:44] <Hobbsee> !cedega
[06:44] <ubotu> help for cedega is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega and for a list of working games see http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[06:45] <Hobbsee> there's a #cedega channel too
[06:45] <fujisan> yes i know
[06:45] <fujisan> the helped me already
[06:45] <fujisan> no luck
[06:45] <fujisan> they*
[06:45] <fujisan> xp feels wierd now almost like cheating :/
[06:46] <fujisan> i feel guilty :(
[06:47] <tarheelcoxn> so reboot
[06:50] <tarheelcoxn> I didn't know irssi did those colours
[06:51] <nalioth> what colors?
[06:52] <tarheelcoxn> fujisan's "slip" above
[06:52] <tarheelcoxn> before the colon shows up as dark gray
[06:52] <tarheelcoxn> after as orange
[06:53] <tarheelcoxn> and the pipes are a light yellow
[06:53] <tarheelcoxn> radeon 9600
[06:53] <sector10> #ububtu#de
[06:53] <tarheelcoxn> wtf?
[06:53] <sector10> arg sorry
[06:54] <sector10> what is the german irc?
[06:54] <tarheelcoxn> made me laugh :)
[06:54] <sector10> found it
[06:54] <sector10> -de
[06:55] <nalioth> sector10: ist sie dort, jetzt?
[06:55] <sector10> ich bin ja?
[06:56] <nalioth> sector10: #ubuntu-de
[06:56] <kkathman> hey nalioth...question for you sir
[06:56] <nalioth> kkathman: anytime
[06:57] <tarheelcoxn> 's rather quiet in #ubuntu-de
[06:57] <kkathman> did ubuntu just do away with /proc/pci ?  I know lspci pretty much does the same thing, but is there an analog to the /proc/pci ??
[06:57] <tarheelcoxn> 's what, 06h00 there?
[06:57] <kkathman> Im probably dating myself
[06:57] <nalioth> kkathman: i have no idea, i use lspci
[06:58] <kkathman> ahh ok... there usually (used to be?) a file on every linux system called /proc/pci that had all the lspci stuff in it.
[06:59] <tarheelcoxn> debian Sid doesn't have it
[06:59] <kkathman> sorry to bother nalioth  :)
[06:59] <tarheelcoxn> ls: /proc/pci: No such file or directory
[06:59] <nalioth> kkathman: bother?
[06:59] <tarheelcoxn> neither does this breezy box
[07:06] <kkathman> tarheelcoxn: yah...I think its an older thing
[07:07] <kkathman> older linux system used to keep info on pci thingies in a file /proc/pci...which gave a little more info than lspci
[07:08] <kkathman> most of the other things in the /proc directory are still there..dma, interrupts ioports, etc
[07:08] <kkathman> but I was just curious about pci
[07:10] <tarheelcoxn> kkathman: lspci -vv
[07:10] <tarheelcoxn> I think will give you what you're looking for
[07:11] <tarheelcoxn> say... why doesn't deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse work?
[07:11] <tarheelcoxn> I'm getting a 404
[07:12] <nalioth> tarheelcoxn: dont use us.archives, use no country specific http://archive.bleh
[07:12] <tarheelcoxn> ahh
[07:12] <nalioth> us repos have always been wargy
[07:12] <tarheelcoxn> why does it install with the us. then?
[07:13] <tarheelcoxn> somebody should change the way that ships, no?
[07:13] <nalioth> the us archives work well most of the time
[07:14] <kkathman> I didnt think the backports were up yet either
[07:14] <nalioth> backports are not, to my knowledge
[07:15] <kkathman> nalioth: do you, offhand, know of a graphical front end for working with MySQL databases besides, say, phpmyadmin?
[07:15] <kkathman> for KDE of course
[07:16] <nalioth> kkathman: i'm not answering very well today. i dont know that either
[07:17] <kkathman> thats ok...nobody has all the answers, my friend :)
[07:17] <nalioth> kkathman: i try at least to point the direction you might look
[07:19] <kkathman> I examined Kexi, but it seems to only start from scratch...I have the database, but just want to add on to it
[07:21] <kkathman> Seems I remember there was some modeling tool, via SourceForge that was available in Windows AND Linux I'll try scouring for it
[07:27] <kkathman> Welcome back Hobbsee :)
[07:28] <Hobbsee> thanks kkathman :)
[07:28] <Hobbsee> kkathman: was playing around with irssi, while also having konversation open, so i had to keep changing nicks around
[07:30] <pipik> i have upgraded konqueror.. but still can't connect my usb disk.. it keeps poping up tabs, saying no such device /sda1... any sugestion please?
[07:31] <kkathman> lol
[07:32] <Hobbsee> pipik: were you meaning /dev/sda1?
[07:32] <kkathman> Hobbsee: Im trying hard to find this package that Allowed me to create databases kind of graphically like Entity Relationship Diagrams, link them visually, then create or update MySQL tables with those diagrams. I thought it was open source from SourceForge but I've forgotten the program name :(
[07:32] <pipik> no.. media:/sda1
[07:33] <Hobbsee> pipik: try typing /media/sda1
[07:33] <tarheelcoxn> kkathman: such a program (if free) would put a fair number of people with ILS degrees out of work
[07:35] <kkathman> I know it exists, because I used it on Windows
[07:35] <pipik> Hobsee: i typed /media/sda1.. and it says "The file or folder file:///media/sda1 does not exist."
[07:35] <Hobbsee> what about /media
[07:36] <Hobbsee> does it show it there?
[07:36] <pipik> i got cdrom and floppy in /media
[07:36] <Hobbsee> that's interesting, but not sda1
[07:36] <pipik> no.. only cdrom and floppy
[07:37] <Hobbsee> pipik: what about: system:/media/
[07:37] <Hobbsee> what does that show?
[07:38] <dlausevic|breezy> Hey folks.  
[07:38] <Hobbsee> hi
[07:38] <pipik> whenever i plug in my usb disk... konqueror will start automaticaly and poping tabs.. trying to access media:/sda1... which is unavailable..
[07:40] <pipik> > An error occurred while loading system:/media/:
[07:40] <pipik> > Malformed URL system:/media/.
[07:40] <calcmandan|breez> hey folks.
[07:40] <Hobbsee> pipik: take out the . from the end of that
[07:40] <calcmandan|breez> thuoght i'd change my name to match the official forum name.
[07:40] <Hobbsee> pipik: better still
[07:40] <kkathman> tarheelcoxn: found it
[07:41] <Hobbsee> type "mount" into a konsole
[07:41] <kkathman> http://fabforce.net/dbdesigner4/screenshot_image.php?screenshot=dbd4_ss_simplemodel.png
[07:41] <Hobbsee> copy the 2 lines related to sda1 into here
[07:41] <tarheelcoxn> kkathman: that's an XP screenshot though, no?
[07:42] <kkathman> no
[07:42] <kkathman> its available on Windows and Linux
[07:42] <tarheelcoxn> ooooooooh ahhhhhhhh
[07:42] <kkathman> http://fabforce.net/dbdesigner4/downloads.php
[07:43] <pipik> this is what i got with mount..
[07:43] <kkathman> its a simple tar.gz file
[07:43] <_kev> ..
[07:43] <pipik> > /dev/hda7 on / type reiserfs (rw,notail)
[07:43] <pipik> > proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[07:43] <pipik> > sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[07:43] <pipik> > devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[07:43] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[07:43] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, totally, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:43] <pipik> > tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[07:43] <pipik> > usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[07:43] <pipik> > tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-686/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[07:43] <pipik> > /dev/hda8 on /home type reiserfs (rw)
[07:43] <pipik> > /dev/hda5 on /mnt/hda5 type vfat (rw,umask=000)
[07:43] <pipik> > tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10M,mode=0755)
[07:44] <kkathman> pipik: please read the topic and dont paste here...put it in the pastebin site
[07:44] <pipik> oh.. sorry.
[07:44] <Hobbsee> if you were going to paste the entire thing, you should have probably used the pastebin lol
[07:44] <Hobbsee> is that all it shows?
[07:44] <pipik> yes
[07:45] <Hobbsee> have you been able to mount your USB disk before?
[07:45] <pipik> not with breezy.. but it runs smoothly before when i still use hoary
[07:46] <Hobbsee> "sudo fdisk -l" and paste it into the pastebin?
[07:46] <pipik> sorry.. but how do i go to pastebin?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> and i may as well ask the idiot question at this point: is it plugged in, turned on, into the right hole, all the way in, etc?
[07:47] <kkathman> Hobbsee: seem to be alot of questions on getting USB devices to mount, be seen, etc
[07:47] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[07:47] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:47] <Hobbsee> kkathman: well, there's a bug with kde 3.4.3 in media:/
[07:47] <kkathman> yah exactly
[07:47] <Hobbsee> kkathman: but this one is odd, it doesnt seem to be finding it at all, but we'll see with the fdisk
[07:47] <kkathman> yah
[07:47] <Hobbsee> pipik: follow the link
[07:49] <pipik> ok.. hold on..
[07:49] <Hobbsee> k
[07:51] <pipik> ok.. pasted it
[07:51] <Hobbsee> darn...i was hoping it wouldnt say that
[07:52] <yasser> i cant find mplayer, acidrip in repos......help!!
[07:52] <Hobbsee> hang on...whats /dev/hda5?
[07:52] <pipik> Hobbsee: is it bad?
[07:52] <nalioth> yasser: use adept. it has a search function
[07:53] <nalioth> yasser: make sure you have universe and multiverse enabled
[07:53] <pipik> it's my windows data
[07:53] <yasser> nalioth: IVE CHECKED ALL REPOS WITH SYNAPTIC......
[07:53] <Hobbsee> yeah, didnt think they'd incorrectly named it
[07:53] <nalioth> yasser: please watch the caps
[07:53] <Hobbsee> pipik: for some reason, it cant see that there is a USB drive - it doesnt realise that there's anything there at all
[07:54] <nalioth> yasser: pay attention to ubotu
[07:54] <nalioth> info acidrip
[07:54] <nalioth> !info acidrip
[07:54] <ubotu> acidrip: (ripping and encoding DVD tool using mplayer and mencoder), section multiverse/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.14-0.0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 276 kB
[07:54] <nalioth> !info mplayer-686
[07:54] <ubotu> mplayer-686: (transitional dummy package which can be safely removed), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu7 (breezy), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 96 kB
[07:54] <nalioth> yasser: please go look again
[07:54] <pipik> but strangely konqueror responded whenever i plug in the usb disk
[07:55] <Hobbsee> what would konqueror do?
[07:55] <Hobbsee> popup a window?
[07:55] <Hobbsee> and what did the window say?
[07:55] <pipik> yes.. and lots of tabs.. trying to access media:/sda1 with failing result
[07:56] <Hobbsee> hmm ok
[07:56] <Hobbsee> i dont know what it is
[07:56] <Hobbsee> kkathman: any ideas?
[07:56] <pipik> do you think if i reinstall breezy.. may fix this?
[07:56] <yasser> nalioth: i still dont find it.........let me say that previously i had installed kubuntu over ubuntu....then i cud easily see these packages....now on clean install of kubuntu....i cant find em!!
[07:57] <nalioth> ubotu: tell yasser about sources
[07:57] <nalioth> yasser: check your sources.list against this one
[07:57] <yasser> ok lemme see.......
[07:57] <Hobbsee> pipik: tried rebooting while the disk is still in the machine?
[07:58] <pipik> oh.. why didn't i think of that.. i'll try it now.. thanks.. and see you
[07:58] <Hobbsee> lol k
[07:59] <Hobbsee> i'm hoping it'll find it there
[08:03] <yasser> nalioth: thanks....i did copy-paste of that list,,,and now i see all things....but i wonder why previous list didnt work...it was default one and i had enabled all repos....
[08:05] <kkathman> Im sorry, Hobbsee I was trying to install an application, and it failed :(
[08:05] <Hobbsee> yasser: it didnt have multiverse?
[08:05] <kkathman> what was the issue?
[08:06] <Hobbsee> yasser: for some reason, the original ones dont, even when commented out
[08:06] <Hobbsee> kkathman: couldnt find the device, suggested a reboot with the USB stick still in
[08:06] <calcmandan|breez> anyone experienced with wine?
[08:07] <Hobbsee> !wine
[08:07] <Hobbsee> !tell calcmandan|breez about wine
[08:07] <stupendo44> calcmandan|breez: what's the issue?
[08:07] <yasser> Hobbsee: yeah...thats strange......
[08:07] <Hobbsee> how'd it go pipik
[08:08] <kkathman> hmmm
[08:08] <pipik> hi again
[08:08] <kkathman> when the device is in, on reboot, what does lspci say?
[08:08] <pipik> still nothing
[08:09] <kkathman> well it has to say something
[08:09] <calcmandan|breez> i am attempting to have wine see my created windows and system directories so it'll configure itself.
[08:09] <calcmandan|breez> but the .wine directory is empty. so i dno't know where to input that information.
[08:09] <pipik> everything was ok
[08:09] <kkathman> pipik: does lspci mention your drive?
[08:09] <calcmandan|breez> i read the howto and it said to run winecfg.  i did.
[08:10] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: ask your question
[08:10] <pipik> sorry.. but i don't realy pay attention to lspci
[08:10] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: we dont bite...much
[08:10] <sadistic_kitten> well I can't get anything....
[08:10] <pipik> but all progress was ok when booting
[08:10] <kkathman> calcmandan|breez: I dont use wine, but Frank's Corner is a good web site for wine-related things
[08:10] <sadistic_kitten> shall I give you an example...?
[08:10] <stupendo44> calcmandan|breez: you'd probably be better off in #winehq
[08:10] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: as in, it cant find the addresses?
[08:10] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: please
[08:11] <Hobbsee> *please do
[08:11] <kkathman> calcmandan|breez: http://frankscorner.org/
[08:11] <sadistic_kitten> james@semaj:~$ sudo apt-get install inkscape
[08:11] <sadistic_kitten> Password:
[08:11] <sadistic_kitten> Reading package lists... Done
[08:11] <sadistic_kitten> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:11] <sadistic_kitten> E: Couldn't find package inkscape
[08:11] <sadistic_kitten> james@semaj:~$
[08:11] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:11] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sadistic_kitten about repos
[08:11] <Hobbsee> paste what it gives you in the new window to the pastebin
[08:11] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[08:11] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:12] <Hobbsee> nalioth: or that lol
[08:12] <kkathman> yep, sadistic_kitten you need to verify your repositories
[08:12] <kkathman> sadistic_kitten: make sure the entries have breezy in them
[08:12] <sadistic_kitten> hold on
[08:12] <Hobbsee> k
[08:13] <propagandhi> is there a release schedule for kde betas etc?
[08:13] <Hobbsee> propagandhi: yes.  developer.kde.org
[08:13] <tarheelcoxn> people have the most interesting nicks these days
[08:13] <sadistic_kitten> kkathman: what do you mean...?
[08:13] <Hobbsee> propagandhi: there's a link to it on the menu on the top left
[08:14] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: dont worry, did you stick what it gave you into the pastebin?
[08:14] <sadistic_kitten> uhhh no
[08:14] <sadistic_kitten> wait a sec
[08:14] <pipik> Hobbsee and kkathman: i just pluged in other usb disk and worked fine... i guess the other one i used had problems... thanks guys
[08:14] <propagandhi> Hobbsee: call me pathetically stupid, but I dont see it
[08:15] <kkathman> np pipik
[08:15] <Hobbsee> glad it works pipik 
[08:15] <Hobbsee> propagandhi: off to check
[08:15] <Hobbsee> under release schedules...
[08:15] <Hobbsee> http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/
[08:15] <propagandhi> nice thanks
[08:16] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:16] <kkathman> I hate it when applications are hard to install!!
[08:16] <sadistic_kitten> Hobbsee: so you want me to paste my sources.list in pastebin...
[08:16] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: yep
[08:16] <sadistic_kitten> k
[08:16] <Hobbsee> kkathman: so true lol
[08:16] <propagandhi> ok, not long to wait i suppose
[08:16] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:19] <kkathman> Hobbsee: ok i must be goin nuts...I want to delete an entire directory and whats under it...I thought that was a simple rmdir -r <directory name>
[08:19] <yasser> whr do i get avidemux from???
[08:20] <pipik> i installed opera.. and it says need motif.. then i installed motifnls.. but still opera says error... need motif.. suggestion please?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> !info avidemux
[08:20] <_jaypee> how do you file a patch?
[08:21] <_jaypee> im trying to patch kcheckgmail
[08:21] <kkathman> _jaypee: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[08:21] <kkathman> let them know you have one...but check their bugs first
[08:21] <propagandhi> pipik: i used the tar.gz file that has qt shared
[08:21] <_jaypee> okay thanks
[08:21] <yasser> !avidemux
[08:21] <ubotu> yasser: I give up, what is it?
[08:22] <Hobbsee> kkathman: i'd probably remove it via gui
[08:22] <Hobbsee> pipik: i think you need libmotif3
[08:22] <Hobbsee> i know i've needed that before, and it's fixed the problem
[08:23] <Hobbsee> and you shouldnt be needing the dev version, which is the other option
[08:23] <Hobbsee> kkathman: ie, i'd use kdesu konqueror, and delete it from there
[08:23] <pipik> so i need to install libmotif3 and motifnls?
[08:23] <nalioth> pipik: it wont hurt anything
[08:24] <Hobbsee> yes, i think so
[08:24] <Hobbsee> libmotif3 you definetly do
[08:24] <kkathman> ahh ok
[08:24] <pipik> ok.. thanks
[08:24] <Hobbsee> hi aftertaf :)
[08:24] <sadistic_kitten> sry comp froze
[08:25] <Hobbsee> lol k
[08:25] <sadistic_kitten> uhh wats the url for pastebin again...
[08:25] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[08:25] <ubotu> well, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:26] <sadistic_kitten> and what's the location of sources.list again...
[08:26] <sadistic_kitten> sorry
[08:26] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:26] <kkathman> sadistic_kitten: /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:26] <sadistic_kitten> ah
[08:26] <sadistic_kitten> thx
[08:26] <Hobbsee> no problems
[08:27] <kkathman> dang it I am getting very frustrated!!!!!
[08:27] <Hobbsee> kkathman: still tyring to install the program, or remove the dir?
[08:27] <pipik> oh.. blast..!! i can't see libmotif3 in synaptic.. only libswt-motif3-java..and libswt-motif3-jni.. should i installed em?
[08:27] <kkathman> install
[08:27] <Hobbsee> !info libmotif3
[08:27] <nalioth> kkathman: what are we on about?
[08:27] <ubotu> libmotif3: (Open Motif - shared libraries), section multiverse/libs, is extra. Version: 2.2.3-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1190 kB, Installed size: 2968 kB
[08:27] <Hobbsee> pipik: do you have the multiverse repositories enabled?
[08:28] <nalioth> pipik: enable universe and multiverse, you'll find great joy in them both
[08:28] <kkathman> nalioth: I downloaded a program from this page:  http://fabforce.net/dbdesigner4/downloads.php
[08:28] <Hobbsee> !tell pipik about sources
[08:29] <kkathman> nalioth: I downloaded it to my /home/name directory, tarred it
[08:29] <nalioth> kkathman: and what seems to be the trouble?
[08:29] <pipik> leme check
[08:29] <kkathman> I followed those instructions nalioth 
[08:30] <kkathman> and the app wont run when I type ./startdbd
[08:30] <SpecialBuddy> is there a new list of repositories or something
[08:30] <SpecialBuddy> ?
[08:30] <nalioth> kkathman: did all phases of building pass without error(s)?
[08:30] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: there is not
[08:30] <kkathman> nalioth: yes, no errors on install
[08:30] <nalioth> kkathman: was it source code or a prebuild binary?
[08:31] <kkathman> nalioth: prebuild binary
[08:31] <nalioth> i hate those
[08:31] <wrl> hello all
[08:31] <nalioth> kkathman: go back to the site and find the source code. they have to have it available, as this program is gpl'd
[08:31] <kkathman> nalioth: I ran this program before when I had it in windows..and it was terrific
[08:31] <yasser> synaptic keeps crashing all the time!!!!
[08:32] <nalioth> kkathman:  http://fabforce.net/downloadfile.php?iddownloadfile=7
[08:32] <SpecialBuddy> well why is that it works and then it doesn't.  I still can't understand the repositories.  Will someone please tell me or show me what mine should look like so that I can actually install things correctly
[08:32] <kkathman> AHA I see the source
[08:32] <sadistic_kitten> Hobbsee: ok it's there now
[08:32] <yasser> !sources
[08:32] <ubotu> it has been said that sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[08:33] <wrl> any kde gurus on now?
[08:33] <kkathman> nalioth: but will that give me everything, as the install built all kinds of directories and subdirectories and even created some symbolic links :(
[08:33] <nalioth> wrl: no the room is full of windows developers
[08:33] <kkathman> hehe
[08:33] <yasser> SpecialBuddy: better copy-paste this sources.list.....mine was also not working and i sought help here..this one works!!
[08:33] <nalioth> kkathman: it didnt build against your system
[08:33] <wrl> your not serious
[08:33] <kkathman> nalioth: right
[08:33] <yasser> SpecialBuddy: the breezy one......
[08:34] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: lol great...
[08:34] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: use the sources.list from http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325
[08:34] <tarheelcoxn> wrl what is your question?
[08:35] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: as in, get rid of the text in kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list, and stick that text in there
[08:35] <SpecialBuddy> what one works yasser
[08:35] <SpecialBuddy> I have breezy
[08:35] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: then save, sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:35] <Hobbsee> !tell SpecialBuddy about sources
[08:36] <Hobbsee> SpecialBuddy: the one that's listed as breezy there
[08:36] <wrl> i have a wierd problem with kubuntu 5.10... _most_ of the time when I try to run the network config tool, my passwd is NOT accepted.
[08:36] <dmlinux> Hey guys, ive seen screenshots of the Desktop environments on the taskbar having the wallpapers on them, how do i do that
[08:36] <kkathman> Hmm oh well I just read that this product is defunct now :(
[08:36] <kkathman> CRAP!...it was a great little app!
[08:36] <yasser> SpecialBuddy: use the sources.list from http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325
[08:36] <kkathman> oh well
[08:36] <SpecialBuddy> k
[08:36] <kkathman> back to using phpmyadmin I guess
[08:37] <SpecialBuddy> what do I do with all of this stuff
[08:37] <aftertaf> hi guys..... Hobbsee nalioth kkathman :] 
[08:37] <SpecialBuddy> just copy and paste it in there or what
[08:37] <Hobbsee> :) hey
[08:37] <Hobbsee> SpecialBuddy: yes, get rid of what was there before, and copy and paste the new one in
[08:37] <SpecialBuddy> the whole thing
[08:37] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:37] <nalioth> aftertaf: howdy
[08:37] <SpecialBuddy> just erase everything and copy it
[08:37] <dmlinux> Hey guys, ive seen screenshots of the Desktop environments on the taskbar having the wallpapers on them, how do i do that
[08:38] <yasser> SpecialBuddy: yes
[08:38] <Hobbsee> SpecialBuddy: erase what's currently in that file, put what's in the http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 there instead
[08:38] <Hobbsee> then save it
[08:38] <SpecialBuddy> k
[08:38] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[08:38] <tarheelcoxn> dmlinux: repeating your question so quickly doesn't inspire much sympathy
[08:39] <Hobbsee> dmlinux: where's a screenshot of what you're looking to do?
[08:39] <Hobbsee> dmlinux: makes more sense that way
[08:39] <dmlinux> hobbsee trying to find one as weel speak
[08:39] <tarheelcoxn> dmlinux: maybe you could reword your question?
[08:39] <wrl> [tarheelcoxn]  I don't even know where to begin to look to figure out why the kde admin stuff is not always accepting my passwd?
[08:39] <aftertaf> dmlinux:  you right click the panel and open properties, you can change colour, size, and add a wallpaper to it in there
[08:40] <tarheelcoxn> wrl: maybe it's looking for a root passwd sometimes?
[08:40] <kkathman> aftertaf!!! Howdy!!
[08:40] <dmlinux> aftertaf i dont see that option
[08:40] <aftertaf> wrl:  open something else that requires sudo first, then rerun the admin app you want, it should work (tm)
[08:40] <sadistic_kitten> Hobbsee: that didn't work
[08:40] <sadistic_kitten> it gave me a huge error message
[08:40] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: ok, what didnt work, and why not?
[08:40] <aftertaf> dmlinux:  right click panel and choose to edit its properties
[08:40] <Hobbsee> what error message? put it in the pastebin
[08:40] <wrl> I tried that to and it never works (except for program that specifically ask for the root passwd).
[08:41] <wrl> Tnx, I'll try that...
[08:41] <sadistic_kitten> well I changed the sources.list over and it's just saying that it can't find the package
[08:41] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: sudo apt-get update
[08:41] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: did you update your apt?
[08:41] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: then, sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:41] <sadistic_kitten> k
[08:41] <dmlinux> hobbsee when i run Kpager, i want the desktop enviros on my taskbar to look like that !
[08:42] <Hobbsee> dmlinux: screeenshot?
[08:42] <aftertaf> ohhh ok. the pager. dmlinux ... ok, its not tha then..... :/
[08:42] <dmlinux> i want my taskbars Desktop switcher to look exactly like Kpager
[08:42] <dmlinux>  is there a way to do that?
[08:43] <wrl> [aftertaf]  tried it, no go.  The sudo worked fine though.
[08:43] <yasser> can i get split bars as in gnome in kubuntu?? is there such clearlooks theme for kde?
[08:43] <dmlinux> yasser yeah, add external taskbar
[08:43] <aftertaf> wrl:  i think its a bug....
[08:44] <kkathman> yasser: you mean for like file management?
[08:44] <kkathman> not sure what you mean as "split bars"
[08:44] <wrl> hummm, but I don't even know enough about what is going on to report it.
[08:44] <aftertaf> wrl:  check bugzilla site maybe?
[08:44] <yasser> split bars as in gnome desktop....one on top....one below...remember?
[08:45] <sadistic_kitten> Hobbsee: check pastebin...apt-get update isn't working
[08:45] <sadistic_kitten> :(
[08:45] <kkathman> ohhh not really, but you can get two bars, yes
[08:45] <sadistic_kitten> this is quite frustrating
[08:45] <kkathman> like your main bar on top (or menu bar) and an alternate bar on bottom
[08:45] <nalioth> yasser: yes it is possible
[08:45] <nalioth> mac style
[08:45] <kkathman> yah
[08:45] <wrl> Something that _could_ be related is that the home dirs are originals from woody... maybe I should try creating another user.  And yeah, I'll check bugzilla too. THANKS
[08:46] <yasser> ok i added taskbar..but its so big....
[08:46] <dmlinux> then change the size
[08:46] <dmlinux> right click , configure panel
[08:46] <kkathman> yasser: go to the appearance in system settings, go to panel, main, and change the size to tiny
[08:46] <kkathman> geez too many people helping him..I'll shut up
[08:46] <Hobbsee> sadistic_kitten: that's weird!
[08:46] <Hobbsee> kkathman: help sadistic_kitten if you want lol
[08:47] <Hobbsee> kkathman: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3716
[08:47] <yasser> kkathman: okie:)
[08:47] <kkathman> huhhh?
[08:47] <yasser> sadistic_kitten: whats wrong now?
[08:47] <Hobbsee> kkathman: check the error.
[08:47] <Hobbsee> yasser: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3716
[08:48] <SpecialBuddy> do I have to uncomment everything
[08:48] <kkathman> no you were helping sadistic_kitten ...I typically take a question, and work it to end. But others like to jump in the middle.
[08:48] <kkathman> so I dont want to jump in the middle of you helping someone else
[08:48] <kkathman> it confuses them
[08:48] <yasser> Hobbsee: not me....:)
[08:49] <sadistic_kitten> sorry that was just the start
[08:49] <yasser> SpecialBuddy: yes.....u'll get tons of apps!
[08:49] <sadistic_kitten> check again...
[08:49] <tarheelcoxn> Unable to find the QT installation
[08:49] <tarheelcoxn> what am I missing?
[08:49] <nalioth> tarheelcoxn: libqt*-dev
[08:49] <tarheelcoxn> packagename = ?
[08:49] <dmlinux> Switched to KDE right... well trying to CD over to a /media/drive and it says nothings there , how do i fix this?
[08:49] <tarheelcoxn> nalioth: thanks
[08:49] <sadistic_kitten> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3717
[08:49] <kkathman> dmlinux: its a KDE bug
[08:50] <tarheelcoxn> jeez... with dependencies that's 6 minutes worth of downloading
[08:50] <tarheelcoxn> :(
[08:50] <yasser> even amarok-xine doesnt play mp3s..i compiled amarok from source...now it rocks!:)
[08:51] <SpecialBuddy> well synaptic was still giving me errors so do I have to say sudo apt-get update?
[08:51] <aftertaf> SpecialBuddy:  yep it needs root powers
[08:51] <SpecialBuddy> k
[08:52] <SpecialBuddy> sweet
[08:52] <SpecialBuddy> it works
[08:53] <yasser> say hurray:)
[08:53] <tarheelcoxn> ohhh... harumph. shoulda stuck with menuconfig
[08:53] <aftertaf> hurray :)
[08:53] <tarheelcoxn> qt is for make xconfig, yes?
[08:54] <kkathman> Well bed time for me...nighters!
[08:56] <aftertaf> tarheelcoxn:  yep
[08:57] <tarheelcoxn> aftertaf: what/who is taf? and why do you want it/him/her to go first?
[08:57] <tarheelcoxn> :P
[08:57] <dmlinux> what kind of file is a .img?
[08:57] <aftertaf> tarheelcoxn:  tres drole :)
[08:57] <aftertaf> dmlinux:  a cd iso? maybe...
[08:57] <dmlinux> is it a CD image. ive never seen this filetype before
[08:58] <tarheelcoxn> oof... deutsch ja... espanol tambien puedo... aber kein french
[08:58] <dmlinux> what is the guide if your ATI card is listing as MESA ?
[08:58] <aftertaf> dmlinux:  maybe.
[08:58] <aftertaf> dmlinux:  sell it and get an nvidia ;)
[08:58] <dmlinux> aftertaf i cant its a laptop :P
[08:58] <sadistic_kitten> Hobbsee??
[08:59] <nalioth> it is an apple img, i belive
[08:59] <nalioth> pre OSX
[08:59] <dmlinux> ah ok
[08:59] <nalioth> dmlinux: type "file filename.img"  and see
[09:13] <aftertaf> anyone know what causes kde to fail a login, with error  "Xsession: warning: unable to write to /tmp X session may exit with an error" ?
[09:15] <tvo> I'd guess either the partition on which /tmp is is full, or the permissions on /tmp are wrong
[09:16] <aftertaf> tvo:  oki.
[09:17] <aftertaf> fdelacruz:  ok... in console, go to / and type ls -l . what do you see for /tmp  ?
[09:17] <dmlinux> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of fglrx-control: any ideas anyone?
[09:19] <stupendo44> any idea what these layout libraries are for
[09:19] <stupendo44> what was that?
[09:19] <fdelacruz> aftertaf wait just 
[09:20] <stupendo44> whatever... I'm trying to install mozilla activex control in wine, and it's looking for mozilla layout libraries. any idea what those are?
[09:21] <fdelacruz> aftertaf here are the list gconfd-root keyring-4L9jrt mapping-root orbit-root ssh-OQYiXN7420
[09:22] <fdelacruz> aftertaf my /tmp is under the partition of my / so I dont think there is an issue about the diskspace
[09:23] <aftertaf> fdelacruz:  yeah but still....   cd / then ls -l . what is the line on tmp?
[09:23] <aftertaf> mine is =    drwxrwxrwt   14 root root   4096 2005-10-28 08:56 tmp
[09:24] <sadistic_kitten> does anyone else here want to help me with apt...?
[09:24] <aftertaf> sadistic_kitten:  whats the situation?
[09:24] <sadistic_kitten> I can't get anything
[09:24] <aftertaf> sadistic_kitten:  whats the reason?
[09:24] <sadistic_kitten> and aparantly my sources.list is fine
[09:24] <sadistic_kitten> I've done apt-get update..
[09:24] <sadistic_kitten> nothing works
[09:24] <aftertaf> sadistic_kitten:  you changed it? did you then type sudo apt-get update?
[09:25] <sadistic_kitten> yep
[09:25] <aftertaf> sudo ?
[09:25] <sadistic_kitten> yea
[09:25] <sadistic_kitten> I did use sudo
[09:25] <aftertaf> ok. now type apt-cache search kdm (example)
[09:25] <_wrl> [aftertaf]  I feel kinda stupid now, but I created a new user add him to the appropriate groups, and the kde su stuff works for the new user just fine....
[09:25] <aftertaf> _wrl:  dont feel stupid. feel confused... i am ;)
[09:26] <_wrl> so, I'm going to go looking to the kde folks to see if I can figure out why an upgrade breaks the su feature.  again thank!!
[09:27] <sadistic_kitten> aftertaf: i got this message...
[09:27] <sadistic_kitten> james@semaj:~$ sudo apt-cache search kdm (example)
[09:27] <sadistic_kitten> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[09:27] <aftertaf> nope not (example)
[09:27] <sadistic_kitten> oh
[09:27] <aftertaf> was to say an example ;) lol 
[09:27] <_wrl> I'm always confused... i just call it stupid when i know i should have tried something simple first!
[09:27] <_wrl> cul
[09:28] <fdelacruz> aftertaf: drwx . .. . . . 3 root root 4096 for gconfd-root keyring-4L9jrt orbit-root and ssh-OQYiXN7420 and on mapping srwxr-xr-x root root 0
[09:28] <sadistic_kitten> aftertaf: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3718
[09:29] <aftertaf> fdelacruz:  nope...... on /tmp itself  ! ! !
[09:30] <fdelacruz> yeas on th /tmp
[09:30] <aftertaf> sadistic_kitten:  ok. edit sources.list, and put a # infront of the line for the cdrom.  then remove the au. from the other lines and retry sudo apt-get update
[09:31] <aftertaf> fdelacruz:  i want to see the rights on /tmp, not the rights on its contents.....
[09:31] <sadistic_kitten> ok
[09:31] <sadistic_kitten> hold on
[09:31] <fdelacruz> ah k
[09:31] <aftertaf> ;)
[09:33] <fdelacruz> aftertaf drwxrwxr-x 9 root root 4096 
[09:34] <fdelacruz> aftertaf its almost same but you have an stickybit
[09:35] <aftertaf> fdelacruz:  dont get personal ! ! ! ! 
[09:35] <aftertaf> :]  hehe
[09:35] <aftertaf> yeah, that could be the problem dude.
[09:36] <aftertaf> drwxrwxrw
[09:36] <aftertaf> drwxrwxr-x
[09:36] <fdelacruz> aftertaf the permission?
[09:36] <fdelacruz> so its shouuld be accessible to all?
[09:36] <aftertaf> the 'others' group having the write permission.
[09:37] <aftertaf> i have no idea really, but seems to be that way.
[09:37] <aftertaf> i dont know what process needs to write there, is your user a member of the 'root' group?
[09:37] <fdelacruz> k just try and hope it will work
[09:37] <fdelacruz> no!
[09:37] <aftertaf> hope is a founding member of our linux club ;)
[09:38] <fdelacruz> should I include my username for root group?
[09:39] <fdelacruz> aftertaf still got that error
[09:39] <fdelacruz> I already change the permission 
[09:41] <sadistic_kitten> aftertaf: it wont let me open kate for some reason
[09:41] <sadistic_kitten> I can't edit sources.list
[09:42] <sadistic_kitten> should I just restart and try again...
[09:42] <sadistic_kitten> 'cause kate was working before...
[09:42] <fdelacruz> sadistic what is your problem?
[09:43] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: open a konsole, please
[09:43] <sadistic_kitten> yeah...
[09:43] <aftertaf> fdelacruz:  good -v- bad practise? i can't say which.
[09:43] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: type "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[09:44] <aftertaf> fdelacruz:  maybe add your user to root group then, just to test, if it dont work you remove him from the group.
[09:44] <aftertaf> fdelacruz:  good -v- bad practise? i can't say which.
[09:45] <fdelacruz> k thanks for your time aftermath
[09:45] <fdelacruz> or can I use the root to login?
[09:45] <aftertaf> fdelacruz:  not good idea.
[09:45] <aftertaf> root shouldnt run X
[09:45] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: is that fixing you up?
[09:46] <fdelacruz> how can I add my username to root group?
[09:46] <aftertaf> sudo adduser james root
[09:46] <aftertaf> er james?  sorry. thats sadistic_kitten :)
[09:46] <aftertaf> lol
[09:46] <aftertaf> sudo adduser username root
[09:47] <sadistic_kitten> aftertaf: when you said "put a # infront of the line for the cdrom" which line is that...?
[09:47] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: at the top, it will be
[09:47] <aftertaf> sadistic_kitten:  the deb cdrom line.
[09:47] <sadistic_kitten> ok
[09:47] <aftertaf> nalioth:  yodaspeak ;)
[09:47] <nalioth> aftertaf: yoda is coming
[09:48] <aftertaf> to a town near me? :)
[09:48] <nalioth> next tuesday, you can meet him
[09:48] <aftertaf> cool lol
[09:49] <sadistic_kitten> how do I save in nano...
[09:49] <sadistic_kitten> is it Ctl + O?
[09:49] <_jaypee> lcdproc anyone?
[09:50] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: ctrl-o to write, then ctrl-x to quit
[09:50] <sadistic_kitten> k
[09:51] <fdelacruz> aftertaf. I include my username in root group and start the kde still I got that erro
[09:51] <sadistic_kitten> ok I'm doing apt-get update now...
[09:52] <aftertaf> fdelacruz:  very odd. i dont know what it could be then..   try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop --reinstall?
[09:52] <aftertaf> but its just a metapackage :/
[09:53] <aftertaf> brb
[09:53] <fdelacruz> k aftertaf thanks
[09:56] <fujisan> nalioth:  you here??
[09:57] <nalioth> yep
[09:57] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: it still didn't work
[09:57] <sadistic_kitten> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3719
[09:58] <sadistic_kitten> I think it might be to do with this number not being right "(1.0.0.0)"
[09:59] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: everything to do with it
[09:59] <sadistic_kitten> ok
[10:00] <sadistic_kitten> how do I change it to what it's supposed to be...
[10:00] <sadistic_kitten> and what is it supposed to be?
[10:00] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: where are you seeing that number?
[10:00] <sadistic_kitten> did you check pastebin...
[10:00] <nalioth> yes i did
[10:00] <sadistic_kitten> Could not connect to security.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
[10:01] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: can you surf?
[10:01] <sadistic_kitten> uh yeah...
[10:01] <skyshemale> Hello, does somebody know, why amarok or kaffeine doesnt work although all plugins are installed and registered, xmms works (breezy,64)
[10:02] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: so what do you want me to do...
[10:04] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: can you ping 82.211.81.167
[10:04] <sadistic_kitten> rightio
[10:06] <sadistic_kitten> yep it finds it
[10:06] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: ok, back to the konsole, and type "sudo nano /etc/hosts"
[10:07] <sadistic_kitten> and then...
[10:08] <nalioth> at the bottom of everything in there, type 82.211.81.167   archive.ubuntu.com
[10:08] <fujisan> nalioth nobody is responding in #cedega may i ask for some help here...
[10:09] <nalioth> and below that , type 82.211.81.138   security.ubuntu.com
[10:09] <nalioth> fujisan: join #kubuntu-offtopic , discussion is already in progress
[10:09] <fujisan> k ty
[10:11] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: anything else...?
[10:12] <sadistic_kitten> nalioth: and does there need to be three spaces between the ip and the domain?
[10:12] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: you should have two lines at the bottom that resemble in form the line at the top.
[10:12] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: save it, close it and try your apt-get update again
[10:13] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: use the top line with 127.0.0.1 and localhost as a template
[10:13] <sadistic_kitten> oh ok
[10:14] <sadistic_kitten> the same number of space as it has?
[10:14] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: yes
[10:14] <sadistic_kitten> oh wait it's just a tab
[10:15] <sadistic_kitten> do I need to put in "localhost  username" after aswell?
[10:15] <sadistic_kitten> or just the ip and the domain
[10:16] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: at the bottom, just put what i posted
[10:16] <sadistic_kitten> k
[10:16] <nalioth> 82.211.81.167 archive.ubuntu.com
[10:16] <sadistic_kitten> yay it's working
[10:16] <nalioth> 82.211.81.138 security.ubuntu.com
[10:16] <sadistic_kitten> thanks
[10:17] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: your DNS has gotten fubared somehow. we've told your machine where to go, instead of it having to ask with a fubared DNS
[10:19] <_johan> I cannot use kmail for using gpg :-((
[10:20] <_johan> get message cannot have backends
[10:20] <sadistic_kitten> ok
[10:20] <sadistic_kitten> yeah I think it had the same problem with irc
[10:21] <sadistic_kitten> it couldn't fine irc.freenode.net
[10:21] <sadistic_kitten> but I just fixed that
[10:21] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: aint learning grand?
[10:21] <sadistic_kitten> yeah
[10:21] <sadistic_kitten> sorry for taking so much of your time
[10:21] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: that file you just edited can be used to keep out adware sites and other nastiness
[10:21] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: dont be sorry, i like doing this
[10:21] <sadistic_kitten> cool
[10:22] <sadistic_kitten> yeah and nano is pretty cool
[10:22] <sadistic_kitten> I'll probably use that a lot more
[10:22] <dmlinux> is there any CPU scaling monitor for the taskbar for KDE
[10:23] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: here is where to read about using the hosts file http://accs-net.com/hosts/  notice that the current hosts file is not on this site, but they link to it. also note. you can copy and paste the hosts you download into yours
[10:24] <dmlinux> join #ubuntu
[10:24] <nalioth> sadistic_kitten: the terminal is your best friend
[10:24] <fujisan> no you are nalioth  ;)
[10:24] <nalioth> the terminal will take better care of you than i will
[10:25] <sadistic_kitten> yeah
[10:36] <after8> anyone help me setting up a LAN between my 2 PCs, i'm a bit screwed on whats wrong.....
[10:38] <raphink> what kind of cable are you using after8 ?
[10:38] <raphink> crossed or straight?
[10:38] <after8> raphink> i think its the right one. pc to pc..... i thnk !
[10:38] <after8> i can never remeber how to tell though ..... :/
[10:39] <raphink> http://www.unbf.ca/housing/images/cable_straight.jpg
[10:39] <raphink> this is straight
[10:40] <after8> raphink> and PC to PC needs a straight, right?
[10:40] <raphink> nope
[10:40] <raphink> it requires a crossed
[10:40] <raphink> so if you've got what I showed you
[10:40] <Tm_T> yu
[10:40] <after8> shit, i always get that confused :)
[10:40] <raphink> it won't work
[10:40] <raphink> unless you have a switch or a hub in the middle
[10:41] <Tm_T> raphink: it's not pc-pc then ;)
[10:41] <after8> raphink> looking.....
[10:41] <raphink> Tm_T: sure, pc-to-pc is crossed
[10:41] <Tm_T> yu
[10:41] <Tm_T> that reminds me: have to do couple cables some day
[10:42] <raphink> and no cable under the desk anymore :)
[10:42] <raphink> looks clean :)
[10:42] <CellarDoor> hi all
[10:42] <raphink> hi CellarDoor 
[10:42] <CellarDoor> hi raphink 
[10:42] <CellarDoor> does anyone know anything about burning dvd's under linux ?
[10:43] <CellarDoor> sorry, ripping
[10:44] <CellarDoor> lets just say, purely hypothetically of course ;) lets just say I wanted to successfully rip a dvd, how would I go about it ?
[10:44] <after8> acidrip
[10:44] <after8> CellarDoor> ^^^^^
[10:44] <CellarDoor> acidrip ?
[10:45] <CellarDoor> okies then, I shall google ;)
[10:45] <CellarDoor> thanks after8 
[10:45] <CellarDoor> =)
[10:45] <after8> CellarDoor> no, apt-get
[10:46] <CellarDoor> ooer
[10:46] <nalioth> dvdrip ?
[10:46] <CellarDoor> is it good ?
[10:46] <after8> i find so, yeah
[10:48] <CellarDoor> kewl
[10:54] <Java_the_Hutt> I have an oKI C3200 printer but seems there's no driver for it. What can i do ?
[11:04] <flixor> goodmorning everybody 
[11:05] <flixor> i was wondering is there a program under ubuntu where i can edit pdf files 
[11:06] <tvo> flixor: openoffice.org 2 can export them, I doubt there's any program capable of editing them
[11:06] <tvo> never seen one
[11:09] <flixor> kee tvo, that is a shame 
[11:10] <fujisan> linux is perfect in everything but one thing
[11:10] <fujisan> GAMES
[11:10] <fujisan> so frustrating to find out cedega is total crap
[11:10] <fujisan> ;(((((((
[11:10] <fujisan> now i will get rid of xp
[11:11] <flixor> hya fujisan are you under linux or windows fujisan 
[11:11] <fujisan> linux
[11:12] <fujisan> i really like it but it cant replace windows totally because of the games
[11:14] <flixor> well i feel lucky i dont play games on my computer
[11:14] <Java_the_Hutt> fujisan: what games, tried Wine ?
[11:15] <fujisan> nope 
[11:15] <CellarDoor> I had a friend who tried cedega, he thought it was great... plays HL2 on it
[11:15] <fujisan> just cedega
[11:15] <fujisan> i cant get hl2 to run on cedega
[11:15] <fujisan> :(((
[11:15] <CellarDoor> he didn't have any hassles
[11:15] <fujisan> i tried and i tried
[11:15] <fujisan> :((
[11:15] <Java_the_Hutt> fujisan: with wine you can run games like Starcraft, Warcraft 3, diablo2, World of Warcraft, Halflife 2
[11:15] <CellarDoor> are you sure its cedega or something else ?
[11:16] <CellarDoor> gtg
[11:16] <CellarDoor> cyas
[11:16] <fujisan> bye
[11:17] <fujisan> can you run warez games under wine?
[11:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:17] <Java_the_Hutt> what is the difference between cedega and regular wine ?
[11:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> fujisan: some
[11:17] <nalioth> fujisan: off topic
[11:17] <fujisan> lol sorry
[11:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> Java_the_Hutt: lots of direct x  support
[11:23] <fujisan> nalioth hasnt spoken in 2 minuten en 43 seconden .
[11:23] <fujisan> :P
[11:24] <fujisan> nalioth
[11:24] <fujisan> is it easy to make a network with linux os' ?
[11:25] <nalioth> fujisan: yes?
[11:25] <nalioth> fujisan: yes it is
[11:26] <fujisan> k
[11:33] <admin_> Hi, how do i connect to a samba share via XP?
[11:34] <admin_> sorry just installed Kubuntu.
[11:38] <Stanley> Hi: how do i access a samba share via XP
[11:39] <dmlinux> god damnit my AMAROK is broken... wtf
[11:40] <dmlinux> im about to move back to gnome, jesus, KDE is so god damn buggy
[11:41] <Stanley> Hi: how do i access a samba share via XP ??
[11:42] <Tm_T> dmlinux: err?
[11:42] <Tm_T> dmlinux: have you tried 1.3.5 already?
[11:42] <dmlinux> Tm_T what?
[11:42] <Tm_T> amaroK 1.3.5
[11:42] <Tm_T> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.5.php
[11:42] <dmlinux> Tm_T it just SUDDENLY stopped wanting to load u
[11:43] <Tm_T> yes, but IF you use older version: upgrade
[11:43] <dmlinux> TM_T i clcik the icon, it flashes the loading amarok screen, and sits there and does nothing , 
[11:43] <dmlinux> Tm_T it was working just fine 2 hours ago, i shouldnt need to upgrade !
[11:45] <Tm_T> dmlinux: yes, but upgrade, newer might work much better
[11:46] <dmlinux> Tm_T installed new version , still didnt work
[11:46] <Tm_T> ok, what you get if you run "amarokapp" from konsole?
[11:47] <dmlinux> command not found
[11:47] <apokryphos> dmlinux: and if you run amarok?
[11:47] <dmlinux> it loads but gives me errors
[11:48] <Tm_T> apokryphos: if he doesn't have amarokapp, sounds to me that there's no amarok
[11:48] <Tm_T> apokryphos: because amarokapp is the executable
[11:48] <apokryphos> Tm_T: I didn't know that existed (though noticed it's called that in top)
[11:48] <dmlinux> Tm_T but i can get to my stuff now
[11:48] <apokryphos> I don't have it
[11:48] <Tm_T> strange
[11:48] <dmlinux> here let me paste me errors
[11:48] <Tm_T> not to here
[11:48] <Tm_T> use pastebin
[11:49] <dmlinux> im gonna dumb this  install i think things are bugging out on me
[11:49] <dmlinux> Tm_t i know , 
[11:49] <apokryphos> ah, I'm not using the 1.3.5, just realised -- using the /usr/local (1.3.3)
[11:49] <Tm_T> ;)
[11:49] <dmlinux> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3723
[11:49] <Tm_T> well, I use something like 1.3-svn
[11:50] <Tm_T> dmlinux: you're trying to run it as root?
[11:50] <apokryphos> dmlinux: have you been running apps with sudo?
[11:50] <dmlinux> KDE is NOT laptop friendly
[11:50] <dmlinux> umm
[11:50] <dmlinux> yeah
[11:50] <Tm_T> :(
[11:50] <apokryphos> why?
[11:50] <Tm_T> not a good idea
[11:50] <apokryphos> You shouldn't
[11:50] <Tm_T> apokryphos <3
[11:50] <Tm_T> whops
[11:50] <apokryphos> hehe
[11:50] <apokryphos> !kdesu
[11:50] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[11:51] <Tm_T> and, amarok is the app you should never run as root
[11:51] <Tm_T> with sudo or kdesu, nothing
[11:51] <dmlinux> ok here is what amarok says http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3724
[11:51] <Stanley> Hi: how do i access a samba share via XP 
[11:52] <Tm_T> dmlinux: do "sudo apt-get install amarok"
[11:52] <Tm_T> somehow I feel you really hasn't install amarok properly :(
[11:53] <dmlinux> it was working 2 hours ago, and it was working for 2 weeks !
[11:53] <nalioth> Stanley: you may want to ask in #ubuntu if you find no answers here
[11:53] <dmlinux> im begining to hate KDE
[11:54] <nalioth> dmlinux: install xubuntu and use the programs you like
[11:54] <dmlinux> all these problems pop up when Kubuntu-desktop was installed
[11:54] <Tm_T> :(
[11:54] <dmlinux> *sigh i dont want to reinstall and compile again !!!
[11:54] <fujisan> nalioth: 
[11:54] <Tm_T> et me guess, you just hitted yes yes yes
[11:54] <fujisan> :PP
[11:54] <Tm_T> l
[11:54] <dmlinux> um no
[11:54] <Tm_T> no?
[11:54] <dmlinux> no
[11:54] <apokryphos> dmlinux: your hating of kde is pretty ungrounded, then, since it seems to be down to you doing basic erroneous things like sudo'ing a GUI app!
[11:55] <fujisan> ;p
[11:55] <fujisan> dmlinux:  kde is great :)
[11:55] <dmlinux> apokryphos well if someone would  of told me that instead of me making that mistake to begin with .. im new to linux still learning
[11:55] <fujisan> lol
[11:56] <apokryphos> dmlinux: then you should start reading through a few guides. The wiki is good
[11:56] <Tm_T> :)
[11:56] <fujisan> i have a live guide his name is nalioth ;)
[11:56] <fujisan> jk nalioth 
[11:56] <fujisan> :)
[11:56] <dmlinux> Tm_t any idea on how to get amarok working again?
[11:56] <fujisan> dmlinux get xmms
[11:56] <internat> hwody
[11:56] <dmlinux> i dont like xmms
[11:57] <fujisan> open Konsole and use this command : sudo apt-get install xmms
[11:57] <fujisan> its great dude
[11:57] <fujisan> amaroK is bad
[11:57] <internat> so i seem to have this problem where if i  try going into the control panel and into display options in my non root account it just exits, so i cant adjust any of the settings, yet if i login as root it lets me but only changet he root users not my non root user
[11:57] <internat> any suggestions?
[11:57] <dmlinux> i dont like it. its too much like winamp
[11:57] <apokryphos> er, no, amaroK is great
[11:57] <fujisan> lol
[11:57] <apokryphos> and xmms is a joke
[11:57] <Tm_T> dmlinux: yes, try "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[11:58] <fujisan> apokryphos:  amaroK doesnt give me great audio
[11:58] <Tm_T> dmlinux: to me it seems like you're missing packages
[11:58] <dmlinux> Tm_T thats not good :P
[11:58] <fujisan> might be great if you no how to tweak but w/o tweaking xmms is better
[11:58] <fujisan> i'm just a n00b apokryphos  no offence
[11:58] <Tm_T> dmlinux: and why not
[11:59] <fujisan> apokryphos:  you cant twist about taste
[11:59] <dmlinux> Tm_T did that , restarting X really quick
[11:59] <fujisan> thats a dutch saying
[11:59] <internat> any suggestions?
[12:00] <apokryphos> fujisan: I prefer Latin: de gustibus non est disputandum
[12:00] <fujisan> haha
[12:00] <dmlinux> Tm_T no luck still doesnt work
[12:00] <fujisan> yes its derived from language
[12:00] <fujisan> but isnt everything :)
[12:00] <fujisan> latin*
[12:00] <fujisan> yes its derived from latin
[12:00] <apokryphos> fujisan: Greek sure isn't :D
[12:00] <fujisan> nope latin
[12:01] <fujisan> amagawd you are greek :p
[12:01] <apokryphos> indeed 8)
[12:01] <fujisan> i have euros from  greece :)
[12:01] <dmlinux> Tm_T hmm i cant open a numerous amount of other things... is there a repair OS kinda thing in linux LOL , im screwed
[12:01] <fujisan> we have the same money :)
[12:02] <fujisan> dmlinux:  reinstall
[12:02] <fujisan> :)
[12:02] <dmlinux> ah crap
[12:02] <fujisan> no point in wasting hours in finding the problem
[12:02] <apokryphos> Tm_T: you're using the 1.3.5 amd64 debs, right?
[12:02] <Tm_T> nope
[12:02] <dmlinux> well its reinstall and 7 hours of installing...
[12:02] <apokryphos> oh
[12:03] <fujisan> lol
[12:03] <apokryphos> Tm_T: well, there's no amarokapp there
[12:03] <Tm_T> apokryphos: I compile all the time from svn ;)
[12:03] <apokryphos> ok, thought you might've tested them before
[12:03] <Tm_T> apokryphos: there should be
[12:03] <fujisan> dmlinux maybe you should get ubuntu+gnome instead of kde :)
[12:03] <fujisan> its easier 
[12:03] <apokryphos> Tm_T: nope, doesn't seem to be; check it: http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-1.3.5/amarok_1.3.5-0ubuntu0.1_amd64.deb
[12:04] <dmlinux> fujisan ive been with linux for about a month and a half now, i started with gnome.
[12:04] <fujisan> k
[12:04] <Tm_T> apokryphos: "amaroK: [Loader]  Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp."
[12:04] <fujisan> dont take my advise dmlinux  i have been with linux for almost 2 days lmao
[12:04] <fujisan> just read more guides dmlinux 
[12:04] <Tm_T> apokryphos: and I don't have 64bit system
[12:04] <apokryphos> Tm_T: you can still check the .deb, but nevermind.
[12:04] <fujisan> prepair b4 asking :) and read b4 doing
[12:04] <apokryphos> yup, noticed the error-message
[12:05] <Tm_T> apokryphos: and I do have amarokapp binary (?)
[12:05] <fujisan> apokryphos:  does amoroK require additional plugin packages?
[12:05] <apokryphos> fujisan: it requires an -engine package to run, yes.
[12:06] <fujisan> see i didnt have that one thats why mine didnt run smoothly
[12:06] <Tm_T> travolta@HeviPoksi:~/kdesvn/trunk/multimedia$ amarokapp --version
[12:06] <Tm_T> amaroK: 1.4-SVN
[12:06] <dmlinux> starting to download Kubuntu install CD , sigh i didnt want to reinstall everything
[12:06] <Tm_T> ;)
[12:06] <fujisan> dmlinux:  you dont have too
[12:06] <apokryphos> yup, I see
[12:06] <fujisan> its your own choice :)
[12:07] <dmlinux> fujisan  well if i want things to work i do, somethings fucked up and i dont know how to fix it.
[12:07] <fujisan> reinstall is the best way time wise
[12:07] <Tm_T> yuuuuuuuk
[12:07] <Tm_T> cold coffee
[12:07] <fujisan> apokryphos:  you drink osu?
[12:07] <fujisan> :)
[12:07] <fujisan> uso(*
[12:08] <apokryphos> ouzo, I take it you mean; on rare occassions, yup
[12:08] <fujisan> lol
[12:08] <dmlinux> Tm_T is there a repair command in the recovery console
[12:08] <fujisan> tes
[12:08] <fujisan> yess
[12:08] <Tm_T> repair command?
[12:08] <dmlinux> Tm_T something to the equivalent of chkdsk
[12:08] <Tm_T> err
[12:09] <Tm_T> apokryphos: ?
[12:09] <nalioth> fsck
[12:09] <apokryphos> Tm_T: sorry?
[12:09] <dmlinux> fsck ok, going to try that
[12:09] <Tm_T> apokryphos: btw do you know why kinfo is here?
[12:09] <fujisan> apokryphos:  you play pro evo soccer?
[12:09] <apokryphos> fujisan: join be in #kubuntu-offtopic ;-)
[12:10] <fujisan> yesss
[12:10] <apokryphos> Tm_T: nope, don't even know of it
[12:10] <Tm_T> !help
[12:10] <kinfo> Available commands: !help, !uptime, !netuse, ??, !!, !cs, !whoset, !learn, !relearn, !forget, !topten, !status
[12:10] <fujisan> !learn
[12:10] <ubotu> I don't know, fujisan
[12:10] <Tm_T> apokryphos: that's about all that knows
[12:10] <fujisan> !status
[12:10] <kinfo> Number of definitions: 24
[12:10] <fujisan> !uptime
[12:10] <kinfo> [uptime]  - [total]  124d 16h 53m 45s - [eu.freenode.net]  5d 4h 59m 14s - in a total of 22 connections
[12:10] <Tm_T> apokryphos: so would you kindly kick it out
[12:10] <fujisan> !netuse
[12:10] <kinfo> [netuse]  - [total]  [RX]  39955.43 kb (442025 lines) - [TX]  2564.71 kb (67316 lines) - [eu.freenode.net]  [RX]  2487.22 kb (27090 lines) - [TX]  133.07 kb (3768 lines)
[12:10] <ubotu> fujisan: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:10] <apokryphos> ohh
[12:10] <Tm_T> too much bots
[12:10] <nalioth> ??
[12:11] <fujisan> !whoset
[12:11] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[12:11] <ubotu> fujisan: What?
[12:11] <nalioth> !!
[12:11] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[12:11] <fujisan> !forget
[12:11] <ubotu> fujisan: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:11] <nalioth> kinfo !
[12:11] <Tm_T> got it
[12:11] <fujisan> !topten
[12:11] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, fujisan
[12:11] <apokryphos> Tm_T: thanks
[12:11] <nalioth> kinfo blarg
[12:11] <apokryphos> fujisan: investigate in /msg ;-)
[12:11] <fujisan> !cs
[12:11] <ubotu> fujisan: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:11] <nalioth> apokryphos: whos bot is that?
[12:11] <Tm_T> apokryphos: yu, was just irritating :(
[12:11] <fujisan> ok
[12:11] <apokryphos> nalioth: no idea
[12:12] <nalioth> it's unregistered and just sitting in here
[12:12] <Tm_T> atleast ubotu is useful
[12:12] <fujisan> lol
[12:12] <apokryphos> we can't have two bots that respond to a bot char, anyhow.
[12:12] <Tm_T> apokryphos: agreed
[12:12] <fujisan> !8ball
[12:12] <ubotu> No idea, fujisan
[12:12] <nalioth> kinfo doesnt seemto respond to anything
[12:12] <nalioth> !uptime
[12:13] <apokryphos> nalioth: he's not in here
[12:13] <nalioth> ah crap
[12:14] <fujisan> !kill ubotu 
[12:14] <ubotu> fujisan: No idea
[12:14] <fujisan> lol
[12:16] <fujisan> !relearn
[12:16] <ubotu> fujisan: Wish i knew
[12:16] <fujisan> !relearn cedega
[12:16] <ubotu> fujisan: Are you smoking crack?
[12:16] <fujisan> ;/
[12:16] <nalioth> !botabuse
[12:16] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[12:16] <fujisan> haha
[12:16] <fujisan> soz
[12:16] <fujisan> kk soz
[12:17] <apokryphos> fujisan: you gotta /msg ubotu enter  ..too ;-)
[12:17] <fujisan> k
[12:23] <internat> so i seem to have this problem where if i  try going into the control panel and into display options in my non root account it just exits, so i cant adjust any of the settings, yet if i login as root it lets me but only changet he root users not my non root user
[12:23] <dmlinux> Apparently alot of other people got the same error messg i am getting
[12:23] <Stanley> How do i restart Samba
[12:25] <internat> /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:26] <dimm> hey-o, Anyone have Celestia working on kbreezy? x86
[12:28] <dimm> woah -its working now......had to add actual Debian repositories
[12:30] <Tm_T> :)
[12:31] <dimm> :D
[12:32] <dmlinux> oy
[12:33] <dimm> bzflag works too -too bad i had to 'mv XF86Config-4 xorg.conf-4' from knoppix :\
[12:33] <Tm_T> ?
[12:33] <Tm_T> xorg.conf-4 ?
[12:33] <dimm> err xorg.conf
[12:34] <dimm> kubuntu had my gforce3 @ 640x480 for some reason
[12:34] <dimm> (by default)
[12:35] <Tm_T> heh
[12:35] <dimm> with 'nv' driver but vesa driver fixed that
[12:36] <dimm> still can't smell HW better than knoppix Mr. Knopper is a braniac
[12:36] <Tm_T> dimm: why you don't use nvidia driver?
[12:36] <dimm> so. no celestia w/o regular Debian pool
[12:36] <dimm> i do now 
[12:37] <Tm_T> ah
[12:37] <dimm> but had to make kubuntu accept XF86Config from knoppix heh
[12:37] <dimm> its own xorg.conf just did not cut it 
[12:39] <dimm> 'sudo apt-get -s install celestia'  now says it will install w/o errors..thus begins my tremulous downloading
[12:39] <Tm_T> :p
[12:40] <Tm_T> -s ?
[12:40] <fujisan> lol
[12:40] <Tm_T> can't remember that switch
[12:40] <fujisan> -suck
[12:40] <fujisan> :)
[12:40] <fujisan> -sick
[12:40] <fujisan> amagawd a linux virri
[12:40] <fujisan> eww
[12:40] <fujisan> ;P
[12:40] <dimm> wohoo! "installing without verification!! :D
[12:40] <fujisan> lol
[12:40] <Tm_T> simulation
[12:40] <Tm_T> :(
[12:40] <dimm> -s = --simulate
[12:41] <Tm_T> yu
[12:41] <fujisan> sudo apt-get install windows xp
[12:41] <fujisan> :)
[12:41] <Tm_T> fujisan: stop swearing
[12:42] <dimm>  4222B/s 1h49m41s
[12:42] <dimm> weeee
[12:43] <Tm_T> :o
[12:43] <os2mac> ok stupid question time...
[12:43] <fujisan> lol
[12:44] <dimm> someday i will be on speakeasy fatpipe but for now it's USRobotics deskwarmer ;] 
[12:44] <os2mac> I removed and reinstalled KDE to go back to the previous version because kicker was freezing up on me.
[12:44] <dimm> "Happiness is a warm modem"
[12:44] <os2mac> I had previously installed Gnome
[12:44] <os2mac> now my splash screen and my login screen are for ubuntu... .
[12:44] <dimm> you did a backport of KDE?
[12:44] <os2mac> question is how do I change it....
[12:45] <Tm_T> os2mac: install kdm
[12:45] <os2mac> from adept?
[12:45] <dimm> in KDE right-click on desktop and...
[12:46] <dimm> no, it's someplace in control center
[12:46] <Tm_T> yes
[12:46] <Tm_T> dimm: and he needs kdm
[12:46] <fujisan> i posted a turd in the paperback of the : hp laserjet and inkjet print cartridge return recycling programme;  with the adress of the dutch prime minister :)
[12:46] <fujisan> haha
[12:46] <Tm_T> os2mac: adept, apt-get, aptitude... use the tool you like
[12:46] <os2mac> ok I have installed kdm.
[12:47] <os2mac> via adept
[12:47] <Tm_T> ok
[12:47] <fujisan> OK
[12:47] <fujisan> K.O.
[12:47] <os2mac> now what?
[12:47] <Tm_T> it asked "default wm" ?
[12:47] <fujisan> UBUNTU = debian
[12:47] <Tm_T> and you selected kdm?
[12:47] <Tm_T> fujisan: not quite
[12:47] <os2mac> and I set it to kde
[12:47] <fujisan> yes quite
[12:47] <Tm_T> :(
[12:47] <os2mac> yes. I set it to kdm
[12:47] <Tm_T> os2mac: that's it
[12:47] <dimm> >system settings>Desktop > Splash Screen
[12:47] <Tm_T> now there should be kubuntu theme
[12:48] <os2mac> so what about the login screen?
[12:48] <fujisan> i want candy
[12:48] <os2mac> when I installed gnome before I had to edit a file....
[12:48] <dimm> os2mac :>system settings>Desktop > Splash Screen
[12:48] <fujisan> ;)
[12:48] <fujisan> Kill me
[12:50] <_manveru> just browser through the complete kcontrol... you will find lots of sweet features
[12:50] <os2mac> dimm don't you mean system settings>appearance and themes> splash screen?
[12:51] <dimm> no, pretty sure not (KDE 3.4.3)
[12:52] <_manveru> how do you navigate in the system settings...
[12:53] <_manveru> ah see
[12:53] <_manveru> it's in desktop on my side as well
[12:53] <os2mac> ok the splash screen changed when I went to >system settings>appearance and themes> splash screen
[12:53] <os2mac> but that didn't change the login screen
[12:53] <_manveru> yeah
[12:54] <_manveru> you have to got 'system settings' > 'login manager' (or however it is in english)
[12:54] <_manveru> +o
[12:54] <_manveru> to change the stuff in there, you have to acitvate the administrator mode
[12:54] <dimm> ooooo...Auto-login!
[12:55] <_manveru> yeap :)
[12:55] <Tm_T> :(
[12:55] <fujisan> Tm_T:  whois me please
[12:55] <fujisan> ;)
[12:56] <dimm> don't phear admin mode 
[12:56] <Tm_T> fujisan: don't push me
[12:56] <fujisan> haha
[12:57] <dimm> was that bad? <<<I'm a noob!
[12:57] <fujisan> dim whois me :)
[12:57] <Tm_T> fujisan: ok, what about it?
[12:57] <dimm> but for why?
[12:58] <fujisan> is that allowed to make any chan you like?
[12:58] <Tm_T> sort of yes
[12:58] <Tm_T> though freenode has its own restrictions
[12:59] <dimm> probably have the tech for that someplace yup ;] 
[01:00] <dimm> so how hackable is this 'Konversation' client i wonder
[01:01] <dimm> 4855B/s 1h19m3s until Celestia.....
[01:01] <PeterSomnium> Can someone help me for a sec? I can't seem to use the " and ' above characters, also, existing documents I had which contained those chars, are unreadable
[01:01] <PeterSomnium> can someone tell me what went wrong?
[01:07] <dimm> I've seen where those characters don't 'resolve' in documents, and i think it has to do with the 'charachter encoding'  of the client app (or desktop environment)
[01:07] <PeterSomnium> some way to solve it?
[01:09] <dimm> do the characters appear in -for example-  the console with 'vi' etc?
[01:10] <PeterSomnium> they seem correct about everywhere, except kopete, kate, OOwriter etc.
[01:10] <dimm> if not i'd check your 'locales' setting -but it's beyond me really
[01:10] <dimm> hmm sounds like kde is deciding your character set?
[01:10] <PeterSomnium> k
[01:10] <PeterSomnium> well
[01:11] <PeterSomnium> think so
[01:11] <dimm> very configurable is kde ;-)
[01:12] <PeterSomnium> hmm
[01:12] <PeterSomnium> gonna relog
[01:12] <dimm> ko then
[01:23] <Pwn3r> hi
[01:24] <Pwn3r> i have a few machines that run kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu and i was wondering if there is a way to get them to share there apt cache files and/or directory
[01:25] <Pwn3r> so i dont have to download for each machine
[01:25] <Pwn3r> or do the ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu have different packages that would make this not a good idea?
[01:27] <tvo> Pwn3r: it should be possible, don't ask me how
[01:27] <_dexter> morning
[01:28] <tvo> Pwn3r: ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu all use the same repository so that will definitely not be a problem
[01:28] <_dexter> installed the ATI fglrx driver here, but I'm on Mesa. how come? glxinfo says libGL error: failed to open DRM: Operation not permitted
[01:28] <Pwn3r> tvo, thanks, that helps to know
[01:29] <tvo> np
[01:30] <os2mac> got it all fixed...
[01:30] <os2mac> thanks everyone...
[01:30] <os2mac> now onto the next question.
[01:32] <os2mac> in networks I have a location saved 'home' that has my wlan0 card enabled and my eth0  nic disabled (my laptop will not allow me to have both enabled at the same time.
[01:32] <raingrove> does anyone know how to reduce font size of the motif apps like emacs?
[01:32] <os2mac> problem is when I reboot. the OS brings both nic's online.
[01:32] <os2mac> i would like to save that location so that it becomes the default standard when kubuntu boots.
[01:41] <raingrove> does anyone know how to change font size for the menu and interface of emacs?
[01:52] <sylvain> salut
[01:52] <sylvain> y a des utilisateur de kubuntu ppc? 
[01:52] <hussam> !GNU
[01:52] <ubotu> hussam: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[01:52] <hussam> !gnu
[01:52] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, hussam
[01:54] <aftertaf> sylvain:  oui y en a.....
[01:55] <aftertaf> sylvain:  but not me.... and the one i knwo is asleep ;)
[01:56] <mpmc> how do I install a .deb package?
[01:56] <aeon17x> dpkg -i <name of package>
[01:57] <dipnlik> mpmc: sorry for asking but what are you tying to install?
[01:57] <Jacko> artsd
[01:57] <Jacko> unix_connect: can't connect to server (unix:/tmp/ksocket-xjdesign/localhost.localdomain-1ec5-4361f401)
[01:57] <Jacko> Segmentation fault
[01:57] <Jacko> just install
[01:57] <mpmc> a fastrack plugin for gift
[01:58] <Jacko> ... ed the new kde beta and artsd stopped working any ideas?
[02:03] <_dexter> Adept just crashed and keeps telling me it will open the database in read-only. what to do?
[02:05] <EricCartman> I've added dapper to my repo list but I can't see any updates for xserver-xorg, what am I missing ?
[02:05] <aftertaf> _dexter:  kill all apt/adept processes first, then try again (with sudo...)
[02:05] <aftertaf> EricCartman:  dapper? already?
[02:06] <EricCartman> aftertaf: any other way to get a recent xorg ? ;)
[02:06] <aftertaf> EricCartman:  breezy isnt recent enough?
[02:06] <aftertaf> recent -vs- stable ... ?
[02:06] <EricCartman> nope, I need a driver which is present in CVS
[02:06] <EricCartman> aftertaf: no, I _need_ it
[02:06] <aftertaf> EricCartman:  argh. theres your answer then.....
[02:06] <aftertaf> cvs
[02:06] <Tm_T> EricCartman: you!
[02:07] <EricCartman> isn't there a package ?!
[02:07] <EricCartman> Tm_T: >:/
[02:07] <aftertaf> EricCartman:  doubt it.... maybe on xorg.org
[02:07] <EricCartman> aftertaf: riddel told me there are packages in dapper
[02:08] <Tm_T> EricCartman: :o
[02:08] <aftertaf> EricCartman:  there could well be then..... you got the right deb url?
[02:09] <EricCartman> well, deb http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe
[02:09] <EricCartman> well, deb http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main restricted
[02:10] <EricCartman> although I don't know what does the most of it exactly refers to I mimicced the previous entries *g*
[02:10] <Tm_T> :)
[02:10] <EricCartman> apparently it fetches headers from there tho
[02:12] <aftertaf> try removing the tr. bit
[02:12] <EricCartman> why ?
[02:12] <mpmc> change in to your country
[02:13] <EricCartman> that's my coutnry ;)
[02:13] <mpmc> ok, lol
[02:13] <Tm_T> EricCartman: I think some things spread slowly to mirrors
[02:13] <Tm_T> EricCartman: de,fr and se are "known" to be fastest ones
[02:14] <EricCartman> well riddel implied that packages are beeing prepared for quite a time
[02:14] <Tm_T> ok
[02:14] <EricCartman> tr. is quite fast for me
[02:14] <Tm_T> ah, good
[02:16] <sadistic_kitten> something about windows drivers...
[02:16] <sadistic_kitten> *view
[02:19] <sadistic_kitten> anyone want to help me?
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> sadistic_kitten: i can try
[02:20] <sadistic_kitten> I want to view my windows files on ntfs partition...
[02:20] <aeon17x> !ntfs
[02:20] <ubotu> somebody said ntfs was the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:20] <Stanley> Hi how do i install .tar.gz files?
[02:20] <Stanley> I wanna install webmin
[02:21] <chx> is there a repo of new kernels -- i'd happy to have some features in 2.6.14
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> chx: no, Ubuntu doesnt have 14 yet
[02:22] <chx> well, i thought not officially, but maybe... OK.
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent heard of any unnofical ones either :|
[02:22] <chx> btw. is there a shortlist of them? 
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> kernels?
[02:23] <Stanley> Hi how do i install .tar.gz files?
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> Stanley: it's not a good idea to repeat generaly
[02:23] <chx> shortlist of new features
[02:23] <_dexter> Stanley: depends. is it a src tar.gz or precompiled?
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> however, you don't 'install as such'
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> chx: try kernel.org. not sure where else to look
[02:24] <endo602> how do i mount samba network partiition
[02:24] <endo602> s
[02:24] <_dexter> damn. kaffeine crashes when I try to save the new DVB channel list.
[02:24] <_dexter> anyone else getting this?
[02:24] <Stanley> Kamping_Kaiser: I jave extracted the zip file, dunno where to go from here
[02:24] <chx> i tried google :) found one at osnews :)
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> Stanley: extracted in a terminal?
[02:25] <Stanley> _dexter: its extension is .tar.gz
[02:25] <Stanley> Kamping_Kaiser: No via Ark
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> Stanley: does it have a 'makefile' there?
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> and how keen ar you on compilation?
[02:26] <Stanley> Kamping_Kaiser: No there's not
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. 
[02:27] <chx> this 2.6.14 packs serious juju http://wiki.kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
[02:28] <Stanley> Kamping_Kaiser: It has a setup.sh file
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> Stanley: ok. then open konsole, and we need to navigate to where you unpacked it
[02:30] <Stanley> Kamping_Kaiser: k
[02:30] <sadistic_kitten> how would I go about aquiring the ip of a site?
[02:30] <mustard5> what does kubuntu use for a multimedia selector?  Apparently its different from gnome
[02:30] <Stanley> Kamping_Kaiser: Ok i'm there
[02:31] <thoreauputic> sadistic_kitten:  type  host foo.com
[02:31] <sadistic_kitten> in the cli...
[02:31] <thoreauputic> sadistic_kitten: it should say something like " foo.com has address xxx.xxx.xxx
[02:31] <thoreauputic> sadistic_kitten: yes, in a terminal
[02:31] <endo602> can someone help me install superkaramba .37 RC2 from a tar.gz file?
[02:32] <Stanley> Kamping_Kaiser: Ok i'm there
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> Stanley: type "./setup.sh"
[02:33] <thoreauputic> !run
[02:33] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[02:33] <Stanley> Kamping_Kaiser: said must be run as root
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> Stanley: then type "sudo setup.sh"
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> er
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> type "sudo ./setup.sh"
[02:34] <Stanley> Kamping_Kaiser: cool, it runs.
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> wd
[02:36] <endo602>  can someone help me install superkaramba .37 RC2 from a tar.gz file?
[02:40] <aftertaf> endo602:  ok, you downloaded and untarred it?
[02:41] <endo602> yes
[02:41] <endo602> and ./configured it
[02:41] <aftertaf> endo602:  ok did it work?
[02:41] <endo602> umm no
[02:41] <endo602> i couldnt make install it
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> make && sudo make install
[02:41] <aftertaf> ok. sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:42] <aftertaf> endo602:  get things right.... did ./configure work?
[02:42] <endo602> yes
[02:42] <aftertaf> endo602:  ok. did you then type make ?
[02:43] <endo602> yeah
[02:43] <endo602> that didnt work
[02:44] <aftertaf> endo602:  to build from source....    ./configure && make && make install.
[02:44] <aftertaf> what was the error?
[02:45] <endo602> re: Error: C compier cannot create executables
[02:46] <aftertaf> ahh you have flag errors maybe.
[02:46] <aftertaf> endo602:  you on PPC ?
[02:46] <aftertaf> endo602:  type:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:47] <endo602> E: could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (ll resource terprarily unavailable)
[02:47] <endo602> hold on
[02:47] <endo602> i got it
[02:47] <aftertaf> endo602:  close adept
[02:48] <endo602> i just did
[02:48] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:48] <endo602> now it says couldnt find package build-essentails
[02:48] <aftertaf> endo602:  type:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:48] <aftertaf> no s
[02:49] <endo602> damn
[02:49] <endo602> sorry
[02:49] <aftertaf> lol
[02:49] <endo602> its building now
[02:49] <endo602> ok
[02:50] <endo602> then when i install superkaramba now it says
[02:50] <aftertaf> make && sudo make-install
[02:50] <endo602> checking for X... configure: error: couldnt find x included
[02:51] <endo602> includes*
[02:51] <aftertaf> ok. you need libxorg-dev
[02:51] <aftertaf> .. checking name...
[02:52] <aftertaf>  xlibs-dev
[02:52] <aftertaf> endo602:  whas your gfx card?
[02:53] <endo602> intell
[02:53] <endo602> should i install that pkg?
[02:53] <aftertaf> ok. never mind... install that  xlibs-dev package
[02:53] <aftertaf> yeah
[02:54] <endo602> installing...
[02:55] <aftertaf> ok. then retry make && sudo make-install
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> retry configure surly?
[02:56] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser:  aha good point. yeah.
[02:56] <endo602> now i have a Qt error
[02:56] <endo602> (>=Qt 3.3 and <4
[02:56] <aftertaf> endo602: ok, another need package.
[02:56] <endo602> damn
[02:56] <endo602> which one
[02:57] <endo602> ?
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> depenacies+pain in the arse+compile errors
[02:58] <Tm_T> :(
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[02:58] <Tm_T> apt-get build-dep <app>
[03:01] <endo602> afteraf what pkg do i need to install
[03:04] <aftertaf> libqt3-mt-dev    
[03:04] <aftertaf> i think
[03:05] <aftertaf> and libqt3-mt
[03:06] <endo602> ok
[03:10] <jjesse> anyone install nessus on Kubuntu Breezy?
[03:12] <endo602> what package is for KDE headers?
[03:12] <morrow> kde-devel
[03:37] <aftertaf> going home :)
[03:46] <Fuji-san>  ?
[04:06] <Fuji-san> 
[04:11] <Riddell> Fuji-san: freeflying speaks chinese if that's what you were talking
[04:11] <Fuji-san> its japanese
[04:11] <Fuji-san> :)
[04:12] <freeflying> hi Riddell
[04:13] <symbulos> hi there
[04:13] <symbulos> do you know of anyone using / distributing ubuntu in Ethiopia? do you know of anyone interested in Amharic ( eventually also Orominja / Tigrinja )localisation?
[04:16] <Riddell> symbulos: of those languages KDE only has a quite recent Tigrinja translation project which doesn't seem to have done any translation yet http://i18n.kde.org/teams/index.php?a=i&t=ti
[04:17] <symbulos> Riddell: thanks!
[04:17] <Riddell> symbulos: I can put you down to receive kubuntu CDs if you e-mail me your postal address and a good reason why you deserve them (e.g. giving them out at a LUG etc)
[04:17] <symbulos> ridd:do you know anyone involved?
[04:18] <Riddell> symbulos: I don't but that page has the guys e-mail address
[04:18] <Tm_T> Riddell: that's good enough reason to get Kubuntu CD:s ?
[04:18] <Riddell> symbulos: you can start your own KDE transation easily enough or when we get kubuntu into rosetta you will be able to translate stuff easily on launchpad
[04:19] <symbulos> Riddell: rosetta?
[04:19] <Riddell> Tm_T: handing them out at LUGs or other meetings, conferences etc
[04:19] <Tm_T> I've been spreading ubuntu hoary cd:s everywhere :p (that freakin shipit was 6kk too slow)
[04:19] <Riddell> symbulos: rosetta is a web frontend to program translation, see launchpad.net
[04:21] <symbulos> Riddell: thanks again. Will install it. Friends is thinking of localisation in Amharic possibly. We have to evaluate feasibility first.
[04:22] <Riddell> symbulos: excellent.  are the scripts all supported?
[04:22] <symbulos> are the scripts all supported? <= what do you mean?
[04:22] <freeflying> Riddell:i've uploaded skim
[04:24] <Riddell> freeflying: excellent, I'll take a look at it in a bit
[04:24] <Riddell> symbulos: do they use latin characters or a different alphabet?
[04:25] <symbulos> Riddell: different alphabet. amharic alphabet.
[04:25] <freeflying>  there are some warning message from lintian
[04:25] <symbulos> Riddell: what can the problem be?
[04:26] <freeflying> we all can't solve it 
[04:26] <Riddell> symbulos: is that alphabet supported by KDE etc?
[04:26] <symbulos> Ridd:wait
[04:26] <Riddell> freeflying: I don't see the .orig at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=828
[04:28] <freeflying> Riddell:I've uploaded them about 4 hrs ago
[04:29] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, it says "October 28 04:50" but there's no .orig there, are you sure you uploaded the .orig?
[04:29] <symbulos> Riddell: I have a locale Amharic (Mandrake LE2005 with KDE 3.3.2)
[04:30] <freeflying> Riddell:sure i've 
[04:30] <symbulos> Riddell: would that mean that the alphabet is supported?
[04:30] <freeflying> Riddelll:I'll try it again
[04:30] <Riddell> freeflying: what does the .upload file say?
[04:31] <Tm_T> hmm, one more red nightmare? too much crimso for me?
[04:32] <freeflying> Riddell: source have not been uploadded
[04:32] <Riddell> freeflying: is the .orig in the .changes file?
[04:33] <freeflying> Riddell:yeah
[04:35] <kkathman> Good Day, all :)
[04:36] <kkathman> morrow:  me?
[04:36] <kkathman> lol
[04:37] <Riddell> freeflying: how confusing if its in .changes it should be in .upload
[04:38] <Riddell> symbulos: there is a language pack for Amharic and a gnome translation so that means it's almost certain to be supported
[04:38] <kkathman> Howdy Riddell, hope you are well :)
[04:39] <morrow> :)
[04:39] <kkathman> hmm, rhymes ... not intended, but a plus I suppose
[04:40] <symbulos> Riddell: where did you find that? I am looking around on kde.org, did not find anything.
[04:40] <kkathman> morrow: Im in Texas, but we share the same hospitality that the Aussies have :)
[04:42] <Riddell> symbulos: apt-cache search Amharic
[04:42] <Riddell> symbulos: the language-pack-am is all the non-GUI stuff and language-pack-gnome-am is Gnome
[04:42] <Riddell> symbulos: so just KDE needs to be done :)
[04:42] <symbulos> ok, that is good news. it should not be too difficult then.
[04:44] <stratovarius> hey guys which is the command line to installa java? I'm using kubuntu breezy
[04:44] <stratovarius> *istall
[04:44] <stratovarius> *install
[04:45] <stratovarius> no one can help me?
[04:45] <Riddell> !java
[04:45] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadeb
[04:45] <Riddell> wow, didn't expect that to work :)
[04:46] <Riddell> !javadeb
[04:46] <ubotu> hmm... javadeb is for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/bpxbf (Breezy)
[04:46] <Riddell> well well
[04:47] <symbulos> Riddell: thanks. talk to you later.
[04:47] <stratovarius> and who may tell me a good torrent dowloader?
[04:47] <stratovarius> *donwloader
[04:48] <Riddell> stratovarius: ktorrent
[04:48] <cristian23___> hello
[04:49] <stratovarius> k
[04:49] <stratovarius> thx
[04:49] <cristian23___> i'm having problems with KDM and xdcmp
[04:49] <cristian23___> it segfaults when i query it from any box
[04:51] <stratovarius> Riddell: what command line should I write if I wanted to install java plugins for konqueror?
[04:51] <cristian23___> the server has Xorg, but the clients has XFree
[04:51] <cristian23___> can be that a problem?
[04:53] <Riddell> cristian23___: no, they both talk with the X protocol
[04:54] <cristian23___> yes, i suppose that
[04:54] <Riddell> stratovarius: see the URLs ubotu gave
[04:54] <cristian23___> the querying box, keeps restarting X all the time
[04:55] <Riddell> freeflying: if you upload the .orig to your ubuntu.org.cn server I'll take a look at it
[04:55] <cristian23___> i will reboot the machine
[04:57] <stratovarius> huys where can I find a list of online games for linux?
[04:57] <stratovarius> *guys
[04:58] <Tm_T> define online game?
[04:58] <stratovarius> for example amerycas army
[04:58] <stratovarius> multiplayer games
[05:16] <kings> anyone here use yukuake
[05:25] <spiral> hi
[05:26] <_virtual> is Firefox supposed to come standard in Kubuntu ?
[05:27] <_virtual> hi  spiral
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't think so
[05:27] <_virtual> bugger.. lol
[05:28] <kkathman> _virtual: yep
[05:28] <kkathman> hey Kamping_Kaiser  :)
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kkathman :D
[05:29] <kkathman> _virtual: if you follow the pre-migration suggestions, they tell you to unload firefox prior to migrating. So Kamping_Kaiser is actually correct. But I didnt, and it migrated fine :)
[05:30] <kkathman> I think Kamping_Kaiser is right come to think of it now, cuz what comes standard is Konqueror
[05:30] <kkathman> I've just had Firefox so long it seems like its standard :)
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. zactly afaik
[05:32] <_virtual> migration ?
[05:32] <kkathman> migration from hoary to breezy
[05:32] <_virtual> this is a fresh install
[05:32] <kkathman> I tend to use Opera for most of my browsing needs, but FF is my default
[05:32] <_virtual> havent used linux since red hat 9, and even then i wasnt mutch good at it ;)
[05:32] <Tm_T> FF ?
[05:32] <kkathman> Tm_T: FF = Firefox
[05:32] <Tm_T> no
[05:33] <Tm_T> Fx = Firefox
[05:33] <Tm_T> http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/faq.html#spell-abbreviate
[05:33] <kkathman> _virtual: big diff between RH9 and Ubuntu :)
[05:33] <_virtual> as i see.. ;)
[05:33] <kkathman> Tm_T:  please...are you frickin kiddin?
[05:33] <Tm_T> kkathman: no, check that page
[05:33] <_virtual> oh, and i might add, the rh9 was a headless server
[05:33] <kkathman> you read abbreviation pages...you gotta get a girl
[05:34] <Tm_T> kkathman: working on it ;)
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol kkathman
[05:34] <_virtual> havent used a Linux GUI for a hell of a long time
[05:34] <kkathman> good...you need it
[05:34] <Tm_T> I really do =)
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> to much info there Tm_T ;)
[05:34] <Tm_T> muha
[05:35] <kkathman> yah...when you correct someone for an abbreviate and have the page right on standby, its time for a life-change man
[05:35] <Tm_T> haha'
[05:36] <kkathman> get out...see the world, ride a pony, goto a ball game, the movies, something :)
[05:36] <Tm_T> kkathman: I think you doesn't even know how right you are
[05:36] <Tm_T> but this cell of mine is a bit restrictive
[05:37] <kkathman> flixor!!! hey !
[05:37] <Tm_T> :p
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[05:38] <Tm_T> stop it :(
[05:38] <Tm_T> we are living hard times
[05:38] <Tm_T> I have ran out of coca cola
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> coke is a thing of the devil 
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> like java and KDE ;)
[05:38] <Tm_T> =)
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao
[05:39] <Tm_T> no hookers please
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hjahhaha
[05:39] <kkathman> ok maybe a nice escort then
[05:40] <Tm_T> doesn't fit to image, I have bible just next of my bed you know ;)
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hahahha
[05:40] <Tm_T> next to
[05:40] <kkathman> just like Gen. Patton
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> whoever ;)
[05:40] <Tm_T> but there's one thing you can do for me
[05:40] <Tm_T> find out who the hell wanted me to login to msn
[05:41] <Tm_T> got sms without backtrace
[05:41] <_virtual> great.. i'm getting 4kB/s on Firefox :(
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: O-)
[05:41] <kkathman> woot top speed :)
[05:41] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: you little!
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[05:42] <Tm_T> funny part is, I logged in =)
[05:42] <Tm_T> I have no idea why
[05:42] <mth`MAW> Hello
[05:42] <_virtual> hey ;)
[05:42] <mth`MAW> Someone here?
[05:42] <mth`MAW> hey jo!
[05:42] <mth`MAW> :=
[05:42] <Tm_T> well, now I'm running Kopete & Gaim :p
[05:42] <_virtual> Gaim.. thanks for the reminder
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:43] <Tm_T> ugly peace of app
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> crashing non stop
[05:43] <mth`MAW> Is somebody able to tell me how to get the artsd working with kde3.5beta2?
[05:43] <kkathman> wassup mth`MAW  :)
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> itsfine in Gnome :)
[05:43] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: Kopete <3
[05:43] <kkathman> mth`MAW: its broken...bug submitted
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: *shuder* qt!
[05:43] <Tm_T> mth`MAW: downgrade
[05:43] <kkathman> lol Tm_T  :)
[05:43] <_virtual> hey.. whats this apt get thing
[05:43] <mth`MAW> How can I downgrade to beta1
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> LOL _virtual
[05:43] <_virtual> sounds like rpm
[05:43] <mth`MAW> that worked propper for me
[05:44] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, downgrading art fixes some part of it
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> _virtual: it's RPM, but not broken
[05:44] <kkathman> _virtual: similar
[05:44] <kkathman> Tm_T: I didnt really think you could downgrade...kinda painful isnt it?
[05:44] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: lol
[05:44] <_virtual> so i could apt get Firefox ?
[05:44] <mth`MAW> I tried to change the sources.list, but apt will not downgrade itself
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> _virtual: yes
[05:44] <mth`MAW> somewhere a how to to downgrade?
[05:44] <kkathman> _virtual: yep  go to a console:  sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[05:45] <kkathman> mth`MAW: ask Tm_T  :)
[05:45] <Tm_T> kkathman: not really, just install one package ;)
[05:45] <mth`MAW> Tm_T: Do you have any Idea how to downgrade?
[05:45] <kkathman> Tm_T: could you elaborate
[05:45] <Tm_T> kkathman: where was that kde beta faq?
[05:46] <Tm_T> or was it knownbugs list or something like that
[05:46] <Tm_T> there was an answer
[05:47] <kkathman> dunno
[05:47] <kkathman> which pkg do you install?
[05:47] <Tm_T> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[05:47] <Tm_T> there's it
[05:47] <mth`MAW> I will take a look
[05:48] <mth`MAW> Thanks
[05:48] <Tm_T> np
[05:48] <Tm_T> I'm here to help anyway :)
[05:48] <Tm_T> even when Ishould be looking for a girl to me!
[05:48] <Tm_T> ;--P
[05:49] <_virtual> apt-get firefox was a no go.. "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/)
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> _virtual: *sudo*
[05:49] <_virtual> yep, did that
[05:50] <_virtual> syntax exactly as you typed
[05:50] <raingrove> does anyone notice a slight sound lag in kubuntu
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have adept open?
[05:50] <mth`MAW> damn I cleaned up the apt cache a few days ago...
[05:50] <_virtual> yep :$
[05:51] <Tm_T> _virtual: ehm
[05:51] <Tm_T> _virtual: close adept or kynaptic or synaptic first
[05:51] <_virtual> still a no go :(
[05:51] <_virtual> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package
[05:52] <Tm_T> ah
[05:52] <Tm_T> :(
[05:52] <_virtual> guees i need to config apt a little
[05:52] <Tm_T> sources.list perhaps
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> _virtual: it's just 'firefox' in Breezy
[05:52] <jsubl2> !find mozilla-firefox
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> whatever Tm_T tells you :P
[05:53] <jsubl2> !info mozilla-firefox
[05:53] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: (dummy transitional package), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-0ubuntu20 (breezy), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 84 kB
[05:53] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: well, I don't installed fireox separately in breezy, so I just don't know =)
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:53] <Tm_T> I don't even use it
[05:53] <raingrove> does anyone notice a slight sound lag in kubuntu
[05:53] <kkathman> Firefox is ok, but the Windows version is much better and more reliable, with more features
[05:54] <kkathman> Opera, on the other hand, is the same functionality in both Windows and LInux
[05:54] <Tm_T> raingrove: nope
[05:54] <_virtual> getting the same problem :S
[05:54] <kkathman> _virtual: are you on breezy?
[05:55] <_virtual> yep
[05:55] <kkathman> _virtual: double check your repos
[05:55] <_virtual> Kubuntu 5.10 Breezy Badger
[05:55] <kkathman> !repos
[05:55] <ubotu> methinks sources is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> firefox is in main :|
[05:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> he has to have the right ones
[05:56] <kkathman> cuz its there.
[05:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> (for firefox)
[05:56] <kkathman> yah thought so..but cant understand
[05:56] <kkathman> spelling?
[05:56] <kkathman> you have to use Fx not FF 
[05:56] <seezer_> kkathman: firefox got other features on windows?
[05:56] <Tm_T> kkathman: =)
[05:56] <seezer_> hi btw :)
[05:56] <kkathman> thats important or the nuclear lanch codes get sent to 12 year olds
[05:56] <_virtual> how do i check my repos ?
[05:57] <kkathman> _virtual: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:57] <Tm_T> I prefer nano
[05:57] <Tm_T> or kedit
[05:57] <kkathman> good
[05:57] <Tm_T> kate <3
[05:57] <kkathman> glad you do
[05:57] <Tm_T> =)
[05:57] <kkathman> vote for kate at the November ballot box
[05:57] <Tm_T> ok, I really need some other hobbies
[05:57] <mth`MAW> Jeah systemsounds are working!
[05:58] <mth`MAW> Tm_T: Thanks
[05:58] <mth`MAW> :)
[05:58] <Tm_T> mth`MAW: np
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: join me being depressed ;)
[05:58] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm depressed since... 2year ago or so
[05:58] <Tm_T> :)
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:00] <_virtual> looks like a couple of lines in that list needed uncommenting
[06:01] <kkathman> not depressed but paranoid
[06:01] <_virtual> is there anything i need to restart ?
[06:01] <_virtual> different errors now
[06:01] <kkathman> Just because you arent paranoid, doesnt mean that people arent out to get you
[06:01] <Tm_T> yu
[06:01] <kkathman> so I play it safe
[06:02] <Tm_T> just try to get me
[06:03] <_virtual> i have sources.list open in vi, will that fo ?
[06:03] <kkathman> just look at the pretty colors
[06:03] <_virtual> ignore my last..  dunno wtf i'm doing.. lol
[06:04] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, it's dark out here, and cold and snow.. hmm, what's that red dot in my forehead?
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all. have fun
[06:04] <Tm_T> night
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: remember, use the force ;)
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: thanks for the beer
[06:04] <Tm_T> I fill!
[06:04] <Tm_T> will!
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[06:05] <kkathman> np Kamping_Kaiser 
[06:05] <Tm_T> I really need more caffeine
[06:05] <Tm_T> or sleep
[06:05] <kkathman> or is that kaffeine?
[06:05] <kkathman> or is that ksleep?
[06:05] <Tm_T> :p
[06:05] <kkathman> kgo koutside
[06:05] <wasp_ems> hello..sorry for asking but does anyone know what you must do to access your hard drive if when tried to be opened in windows it says drive not formated..format now?
[06:06] <kkathman> probably dont want to format
[06:06] <kkathman> wasp_ems: explain your environment
[06:06] <Tm_T> wasp_ems: well, windows doesn't understand your hd if it's not ntfs or fat
[06:06] <wasp_ems> so what can i do to save all my data?
[06:06] <cristian23___> hello, i did a fresh instalation of kubuntu
[06:07] <cristian23___> i starts kdm without problems
[06:07] <kkathman> cristian23___: ok
[06:07] <kkathman> thats a good thing
[06:07] <cristian23___> but if instead of using /etc/init.d/kdm script
[06:07] <cristian23___> i use X -query localhost
[06:07] <cristian23___> it loops restarting X all the time
[06:08] <wasp_ems> i try to access it also though kubuntu but it says not mounted..i put it to mount but the window opens and does not actually doing anything for a period of time
[06:08] <cristian23___> the same behaviour from other box
[06:08] <cristian23___> can anybody confirm if it is a bug or is something with my config?
[06:09] <kkathman> cristian23___: why did you bypass the kdm?
[06:09] <kkathman> just curious
[06:09] <wasp_ems> does anyone know any solution?
[06:10] <kkathman> wasp_ems: your data is there
[06:10] <cristian23___> because i want the computer to be an thin client server
[06:10] <wasp_ems> i know that but how do i access it?
[06:10] <kkathman> Like Tm_T said, the issue is the format that your data is in on your windows partition
[06:11] <kkathman> sorry other way around
[06:11] <cristian23___> any suggestions?
[06:11] <kkathman> wasp_ems: are the two on the same box, or different boxes on the same network?
[06:11] <wasp_ems> the thing is it worked fine before and after formating my pc it just says that
[06:11] <wasp_ems> and u mean by that?
[06:12] <wasp_ems> i have 2 hard drives...the one we are talking about is external
[06:12] <kkathman> wasp_ems: you have linux and windows running on the same computer?
[06:12] <wasp_ems> now yes
[06:12] <_dexter> where's the place to make bug reports?
[06:13] <kkathman> ok, well windows doesnt understand anything else but ntfs or fat formatted drives
[06:13] <wasp_ems> ok and linux?
[06:13] <kkathman> wasp_ems: and linux doesnt use that typically
[06:13] <cristian23___> the strange is, that if i install gdm or xdm the have the same problem
[06:13] <kkathman> _dexter: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:13] <wasp_ems> so i cant do anything than format the hard drive?
[06:15] <wasp_ems> all my backup is in there...its 120 gb so the last thing i want to do is loose it all
[06:16] <wasp_ems> kkathman: ??
[06:17] <kkathman> wasp_ems: look at this...its for Red Hat, but the principles will help you with ubuntu:  http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/getting-started-guide/s1-q-and-a-windows.html
[06:18] <wasp_ems> thnax
[06:20] <_virtual> figured it out i think
[06:20] <_virtual> sudo apt-get update
[06:20] <_virtual> now sudo apt-get install firefox works now
[06:24] <wasp_ems> Will not save configuration.
[06:24] <wasp_ems> Configuration file "/home/wasp/.kde/share/config/kdesurc" not writable.
[06:24] <wasp_ems> Configuration file "/home/wasp/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals" not writable.
[06:24] <wasp_ems> Please contact your system administrator
[06:24] <wasp_ems> ok...i tried to update the packages of kubuntu and i have an error coming up that says:''
[06:25] <wasp_ems> basically there is nothing i can do as this error is coming up
[06:26] <kkathman> wasp_ems: are you accessing the commands as root?
[06:26] <kkathman> configuration files cant be written unless you are root level
[06:27] <wasp_ems> i just installed kubuntu so i guess i am
[06:27] <kkathman> wasp_ems: no, because kubuntu doesnt make you root...in fact the root account is disabled
[06:27] <wasp_ems> this error only showed up after update were this error showed up for the first time
[06:27] <wasp_ems> ok so how do i access it
[06:27] <kkathman> precede any command with "sudo" to run as root
[06:28] <kkathman> or you can use kdesu and the KDE command
[06:28] <wasp_ems> but i cant even access the internet cause another error shows up
[06:28] <kkathman> for instance, kdesu kwrite, or kdesu kate, will launch the respective programs in root mode for you and you'll be able to update
[06:28] <kkathman> wasp_ems: what error?
[06:28] <wasp_ems> wait
[06:29] <wasp_ems> ould not start process Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system.
[06:29] <kkathman> hmm... when does that come up?
[06:30] <wasp_ems> these are 2 errors that show up all the time...whatever i try to do...that one when i try to access the internet
[06:31] <wasp_ems> i think it happened because whenever you access a utility that is substantial you must enter the password..so i guess when trying to update it could not change the files as presumably they are locked and it got screwd
[06:31] <kkathman> wasp_ems: ok...well lets start from scratch...remember you disabled the kdm script right?
[06:31] <wasp_ems> dont know
[06:31] <kkathman> wasp_ems: or was that someone else?
[06:31] <kkathman> 1 sec
[06:31] <wasp_ems> no i installed it
[06:32] <kkathman> ah that was someone else..sorry I get confused
[06:32] <wasp_ems> ok
[06:33] <kkathman> wasp_ems: when you are in Linux, can you just go to a konsole and do a df and see what happens
[06:34] <wasp_ems> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[06:34] <wasp_ems> /dev/hda2              4988852   1684764   3050668  36% /
[06:34] <wasp_ems> tmpfs                   225672         0    225672   0% /dev/shm
[06:34] <wasp_ems> /dev                   4988852   1684764   3050668  36% /.dev
[06:34] <wasp_ems> none                      5120      2828      2292  56% /dev
[06:34] <bastardkestrel> anybody using evolution for mail etc?
[06:35] <kkathman> wasp_ems: ok
[06:35] <bastardkestrel> Im still undecided between evolution or thunderbird
[06:35] <bastardkestrel> but i need to share email with windos, so thinking on thunderbird
[06:36] <wasp_ems> i cant even open the kde pane as is shows Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Read-only file system.
[06:36] <wasp_ems> i think i must reformat it..
[06:36] <wasp_ems> and re install it
[06:36] <wasp_ems> the easiest way i think
[06:37] <wasp_ems> and then you can tell me how to become root so i can update etc..
[06:37] <Fuji-san> how do i make a screen shot in kubuntu?
[06:37] <Fuji-san> and safe it and post it on a site?
[06:38] <Riddell> Fuji-san: ksnapshot
[06:38] <wasp_ems> i think with ksnapshot 
[06:39] <kkathman> Riddell could you help wasp_ems  please...I'm a bit at a disadvantage
[06:40] <wasp_ems> kkathman i will just re install it is easier man
[06:40] <wasp_ems> thanx though
[06:41] <Riddell> wasp_ems: sudo chown -R wasp.wasp ~/.kde
[06:42] <wasp_ems> Can't open /var/run/sudo/wasp/1: Read-only file system
[06:42] <wasp_ems> postdrop: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/119434.25756: Read-only file system
[06:42] <wasp_ems> wasp@kubuntu:~$ postdrop: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/119434.25756: Read-only file system
[06:42] <wasp_ems> postdrop: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/119434.25756: Read-only file system
[06:42] <wasp_ems> postdrop: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/119434.25756: Read-only file system
[06:43] <wasp_ems> Riddell: is that good or not??
[06:44] <Riddell> wasp_ems: what does  mount   give you?
[06:44] <wasp_ems> /dev/hda2 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[06:44] <wasp_ems> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[06:44] <wasp_ems> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[06:44] <wasp_ems> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[06:44] <wasp_ems> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[06:44] <wasp_ems> /dev on /.dev type unknown (rw,bind)
[06:44] <wasp_ems> none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=5M,mode=0755)
[06:44] <wasp_ems> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[06:45] <Riddell> wasp_ems: I guess /  had an error and got mounted read only
[06:45] <Riddell> try  dmesg | grep hda2
[06:46] <Riddell> or  grep hda2 /var/log/messages
[06:46] <wasp_ems> dmesg | grep hda2
[06:46] <wasp_ems> EXT2-fs error (device hda2): ext2_readdir: zero-length directory entry
[06:47] <wasp_ems> i think i will just re install kubuntu...just tell me if u can how will i access it as root so i can do all the necesary updates etc
[06:48] <wasp_ems> anyway i will reinstall...be back soon
[06:51] <nikkia> argh!
[06:51] <nikkia> my credit card balance is 666.66
[06:52] <rikva> ok nikkia, leave this channel now :|
[06:54] <pipik> i installed libmotif3, motif-clients, and motifnls.. but opera still says i don't have motif.. help please
[06:55] <wasp_ems> ok back again
[06:55] <wasp_ems> fixes it
[06:55] <wasp_ems> fixed
[06:57] <Mars> Hi
[06:57] <Mars> Can someone give me URL to the program  that will automatic,y mount my windows partitions?
[06:57] <wasp_ems> me 2 please
[06:58] <Mars> las time someone asked bot
[06:58] <Mars> but icant
[06:58] <wasp_ems> who is the bot?
[06:58] <kkathman> RIddell thanks for your help, I always learn alot from you
[06:58] <wasp_ems> kkathman: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RH-9-Manual/getting-started-guides/ it does not work man
[06:59] <wasp_ems> any other suggestions?
[06:59] <amackay> Why cant people see my display picture in amsn/kopete from kubuntu? I can see theirs.
[06:59] <Riddell> wasp_ems: how did you fix it?
[07:00] <wasp_ems> i went into safe mode...if u can call it that
[07:00] <wasp_ems> i dont remeber exactly what it is called
[07:00] <wasp_ems> when you restart there is an option
[07:00] <Riddell> Mars: should be able to do it under disk and filesystems in System Settings
[07:01] <pipik> Mars: you have to edit /etc/fstab manualy
[07:01] <wasp_ems> Riddell: can u tell me how to access as root so i dont get the same problem when updating?
[07:01] <frank23> !windowsdrives
[07:01] <ubotu> windowsdrives is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[07:02] <frank23> Mars: did you look at this link?
[07:02] <Mars> he
[07:02] <Mars> But
[07:02] <Riddell> wasp_ems: use sudo to get root
[07:02] <wasp_ems> so i run what exactly to update??sudo update?
[07:03] <Mars> I think it would be better to use sapecial program :)
[07:03] <Mars> frank23, i am looking
[07:04] <wasp_ems> Mars:the bot gave the answer above
[07:04] <frank23> Mars: systemsettings is also "supposed" to be able to mount partitions but due to a bug it is likely to fail
[07:04] <flixor> kkathman hya kkathman i was wondering could you give me some good advice about a simple commandline email client 
[07:04] <Mars> OK
[07:04] <Mars> I will reboot now
[07:05] <frank23> Mars: why>?
[07:05] <wasp_ems> mars?
[07:05] <wasp_ems> did it say anything about any error?
[07:05] <kkathman> flixor: hmmm
[07:05] <wasp_ems> i hate this...why do i get all the errors???
[07:05] <kkathman> flixor: commandline??
[07:05] <wasp_ems> fuck
[07:06] <Mars> It is write in instrction to reebot system
[07:06] <Mars> O
[07:06] <Mars> no
[07:06] <Mars> I dont have to
[07:06] <Mars> :)
[07:06] <frank23> Mars: did you run the script?
[07:06] <Mars> It is already mounted
[07:06] <Mars> Yes
[07:06] <frank23> sudo mount -a
[07:07] <flixor> yes kkathman i just installed a ssh server and it would be nice to connect to it so i can read my mail 
[07:07] <Mars> It works
[07:07] <frank23> Mars: good!
[07:07] <kkathman> flixor: well, mail is the standard I guess, but I dont use any mail at the command line myself
[07:07] <flixor> kkathman: so thats the reason i want a commandline mail client 
[07:07] <flixor> but can i configur mail to connect to my pop3 and smptp server 
[07:08] <flixor> and allso to leave the mail on the server 
[07:09] <kkathman> flixor: I really dont know of one
[07:09] <Mars> frank23, Thanks :)
[07:09] <flixor> lol, noproblem may its something i have to figurout myself 
[07:09] <frank23> Mars: no problem
[07:10] <flixor> learning and learning about tools and possiblilties :)
[07:10] <Mars> Is someone running crystalGL on Breezy?
[07:11] <pipik> i installed libmotif3, motif-clients, and motifnls.. but opera still says i don't have motif.. help please
[07:12] <nuk130n> flixor: mutt is very good, but it takes some effort to learn about it's many features
[07:12] <frank23> pipik: maybe you can look in the forums about this motif in opera problem, but I don't think it's a big problem. just a bit annoying
[07:13] <wasp_ems> does anyone know where to find syslog?
[07:14] <pipik> frank23: so it won't affect anything to opera
[07:15] <frank23> pipik: I don't think so... 
[07:16] <pipik> frank23: ok.. thanks
[07:20] <flixor> nuk130n: kee and what about pine?
[07:20] <flixor> nuk130n: but i read that mutt is a mua and not a mta so it cant send mail through a smtp server is that correct
[07:21] <nikkia> flixor: MUAs tend to be able to talk to a smtp server, otherwise they'd be useless
[07:21] <nikkia> they just don't know how to do dynamic mail routing, MX resolution, etc
[07:22] <nikkia> (i suppose there are a few MUAs that *don't* know how to talk to a smtp server, i believe outlook couldn't at one point, it had to be an exchange server, and it'd be theoretically possible to design an imap client that had no smtp support)
[07:22] <flixor> kee nikkia well i think i first try pine, it seems this program is very good documentated 
[07:23] <nuk130n> iirc mutt can not talk with smtp servers, but you can set it up to use <insertMTAhere> that is compatible with sendmail atleast
[07:23] <wasp_ems> i try to access my external hardrive and an error shows...i followed instructions and i get this...anyone know how to fix it??
[07:23] <wasp_ems> NTFS-fs error (device sda5): read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Primary boot sector is inv                                                                                           alid.
[07:23] <wasp_ems> NTFS-fs error (device sda5): read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Mount option errors=recove                                                                                           r not used. Aborting without trying to recover.
[07:23] <wasp_ems> NTFS-fs error (device sda5): ntfs_fill_super(): Not an NTFS volume.
[07:23] <wasp_ems> NTFS-fs error (device sda5): read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Primary boot sector is inv                                                                                           alid.
[07:23] <wasp_ems> NTFS-fs error (device sda5): read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Mount option errors=recove                                                                                           r not used. Aborting without trying to recover.
[07:23] <hussam> On KDE, in the taskbar, applications are minimized in two rows. How can I make it one row?
[07:23] <wasp_ems> NTFS-fs error (device sda5): ntfs_fill_super(): Not an NTFS volume.
[07:23] <buz> !ubuntu
[07:24] <ubotu> ubuntu is probably an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[07:24] <buz> !lubuntu
[07:24] <ubotu> Wish i knew, buz
[07:24] <buz> !kubuntu
[07:24] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[07:24] <nikkia> wow, its right, mutt relies on calling sendmail to send mail, that's a bit, annoying
[07:25] <nuk130n> when i used mutt I used a program that acted like sendmail on demand but was very light weight and easy to set up
[07:25] <nikkia> i always preferred pine and elm for text mode email anyway
[07:25] <buz> how much problem is breezy ubuntu -> breezy kubuntu to create?
[07:25] <nuk130n> I can't remember it's name atm though
[07:25] <nikkia> nuk130n: i imagine its trivial to make something that behaves like sendmail (the command), but actually talks to a remote smtp server, if necessary
[07:26] <flixor> well i am learning lol nikkia this is my fith day on kubuntu and linux :) 
[07:27] <flixor> but i think my relationship is soon to be broken lol
[07:27] <nuk130n> nikkia: mmm but it gets worse if you have to support ssl... =)
[07:28] <nuk130n> I think the program I used had some basic support but I'm not sure
[07:28] <C0r3Dump> hi all
[07:28] <nuk130n> it was a couple of years ago
[07:29] <nikkia> nuk130n: yeah, i suppose
[07:29] <nikkia> nuk130n: its probably just easier to use a more featureful email program :P
[07:29] <nuk130n> nikkia: probably =)
[07:29] <nikkia> pine probbly supports ssl
[07:30] <nikkia> and once you stop it using pico, and use a real editor, its not too painful :)
[07:30] <nikkia> there again, if you're going to use a real editor, emacs has plenty of email support anyway :D
[07:30] <nuk130n> nikkia: but don't make the mistake of beliving that mutt lacks any features as a mua
[07:31] <nikkia> nuk130n: being able to talk to non-local mail servers is a distinctly key feature, IMO
[07:31] <nuk130n> nikkia: but it sucks if you want to use it just to read mail
[07:31] <nikkia> nuk130n: i read about 15-20 mail accounts on various machines...
[07:32] <nuk130n> nikkia: damn. I only have 3. =)
[07:32] <nikkia> nuk130n: a few of those are work stuff via VPN
[07:33] <flixor> nuk130n: normaly i use for email reading and sending kmail 
[07:33] <flixor> but i want wheni login into my machine allso read the mail and send mail but i cant do that with kmail
[07:33] <flixor> so thats why i need another mail client who can send via a distant smtp and receive mail via pop3
[07:34] <nuk130n> nikkia: mutt is very useful if you read a lot of newsgroups and subscribes to a lot of mailing lists
[07:34] <nuk130n> mmm
[07:34] <nikkia> nuk130n: slrn is king of text newsreaders IMO
[07:34] <nikkia> especially with a decent uudeview install
[07:34] <nuk130n> I use kmail myself and is very pleased with it. =)
[07:35] <flixor> yes, i love kmail nuk130n 
[07:35] <wasp_ems> anyone know a good messenger as kopete does not seem to work?
[07:37] <apokryphos> wasp_ems: what's the error?
[07:38] <wasp_ems> apokryphos: basika den mporw na mpw..mou leei sunexeia o kwdikos sou einai lathos
[07:38] <apokryphos> wasp_ems: English only in here
[07:38] <apokryphos> wasp_ems: hoary or breezy?
[07:38] <wasp_ems> apokryphos: sorry
[07:39] <wasp_ems> hoary
[07:39] <nikkia> wasp_ems: kopete works, as long as you have the latest version for your distro
[07:39] <nikkia> the default installed one in hoary was pre-protocol change, so you need to update it from hoary-updates
[07:39] <apokryphos> wasp_ems: (i) upgrade to breezy, or (ii) update your version of Kopete
[07:39] <nikkia> (uncomment the hoary-updates line in sources.list)
[07:40] <wasp_ems> is breezy better?
[07:40] <apokryphos> indeed
[07:40] <wasp_ems> and how do i update to it?
[07:40] <apokryphos> !upgrade2breezy
[07:40] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[07:41] <wasp_ems> ok thanx
[07:41] <C0r3Dump> hello, maybe someone could helpme, even when my problem it's not really important
[07:41] <C0r3Dump> (sometinhg graphic..)
[07:42] <C0r3Dump> the questions is, why when I run adept from the KDE menu, the way it looks its different than when I run it from de console  ?
[07:43] <C0r3Dump> the same happens when I run firestater, in this case it is worse, because not only the font are different, the background color too ...
[07:44] <apokryphos> C0r3Dump: because running it from the menu doesn't simply give out the "adept" command
[07:45] <C0r3Dump> so, everyone looks it as me  ?
[07:45] <apokryphos> adept from the menu is automatically run through kdesu etc
[07:46] <C0r3Dump> yes, that is the really question, what is the difference between running it with kdesu or doing it with sudo
[07:47] <C0r3Dump> I mean, the problem is that the color and font profile of the "root" is different from the profile of my user ??
[07:48] <wasp_ems> is there any program to use to listen to online radio?
[07:48] <C0r3Dump> is there a way to solve it ?
[07:48] <C0r3Dump> (I supouse there is, this is linux ...)
[07:48] <wasp_ems> lol
[07:48] <apokryphos> C0r3Dump: kdesu is used for running a given program under another user; or, with sudo powers
[07:48] <wasp_ems> and it is?
[07:49] <C0r3Dump> sorry wasp_ems, I was not answering you ... just only a thought
[07:49] <wasp_ems> ok
[07:49] <flixor> nikkia and nuk130n i got my solution i use fetchmail to get my mail from my pop3 account and use pint to read and send email how about that 
[07:50] <C0r3Dump> about my problem
[07:50] <flixor> pint=pine
[07:56] <swp> hi, im running hoary: applications with qgl widgets run correctly, but the screen stays black, does somebody know this prob??
[08:03] <mpmc> It feels like this place is dead
[08:05] <wasp_ems> after i have downloaded a program how do i install it?
[08:06] <tvo> wasp_ems: which program, what file format?
[08:07] <tvo> wasp_ems: note that it's recommended to install program via apt-get adept or synaptic
[08:07] <wasp_ems> they are all tar files
[08:07] <wasp_ems> i downloaded some from tucows
[08:07] <kkathman> hey there tvo :)
[08:07] <tvo> hi kkathman
[08:08] <tvo> wasp_ems: and have you looked if this software isn't in the ubuntu repositories?
[08:08] <kkathman> sorry I was preoccupied by a phone call :)
[08:08] <wasp_ems> no
[08:09] <tvo> it's so much easier to install via adept for example
[08:09] <C0r3Dump> 4333535760609286
[08:09] <tvo> I'd recommend to start adept and type the name of the software you want to install in the filter in adept
[08:09] <wasp_ems> ok..where do i find adept?
[08:10] <tvo> big K -> System -> Adept (Package Manager)
[08:11] <wasp_ems> only have ksynaptic
[08:11] <tvo> wasp_ems: you either mean synaptic or kynaptic ? :)
[08:11] <tvo> kkathman: why sorry ?
[08:11] <wasp_ems> kynaptic sorry
[08:12] <tvo> wasp_ems: are you still running kubuntu hoary (5.04)
[08:12] <wasp_ems> yes...i updated the distro though and all packages
[08:13] <wasp_ems> trying to upgrade to breezy
[08:14] <tvo> you followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade ?
[08:15] <kkathman> especially the pre-conversion activities
[08:15] <wasp_ems> trying to but talks about synaptic and i cant find where some things are
[08:16] <tvo> you can't find where synaptic is ?
[08:17] <wasp_ems> no..i have kynaptic
[08:17] <tvo> synaptic or adept are far better
[08:17] <wasp_ems> i cant find were gaim is or firefox although it says they are installed
[08:17] <wasp_ems> i dont know how to change to synaptic
[08:18] <wasp_ems> i installed kubuntu today
[08:18] <manveru_> you can run them parallel...
[08:18] <tvo> 5.04 kubuntu install cd ?
[08:18] <wasp_ems> yes
[08:18] <kkathman> thats hoary
[08:18] <wasp_ems> ok i found synaptic
[08:19] <tvo> o ok, so now you can follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade to finish upgrade ?
[08:19] <kkathman> hey zyn :)
[08:19] <zyn> hi :)
[08:19] <wasp_ems> i believe so...thank u
[08:20] <wasp_ems> what cd-rom should i insert?
[08:22] <tvo> you shouldn't need a CD I think, it certainly won't help to use the hoary CD..
[08:22] <swp> in what package is f2c.h ??
[08:23] <zyn> swp: apt-cache search doesn't tell you?
[08:23] <wasp_ems> it asks for one so i dont know
[08:23] <zyn> guess not
[08:23] <swp> ill try zyn 
[08:24] <zyn> swp: apt-cache search f2c gave me: f2c - A FORTRAN 77 to C/C++ translator, plus static & shared libs.
[08:25] <wasp_ems> so what can i do?
[08:25] <tvo> wasp_ems: which path on the wiki did you follow the "Through Synaptic Package Manager" one ?
[08:25] <wasp_ems> that is what i was going to do..yes
[08:25] <wasp_ems> but dont have cd
[08:27] <kkathman> wasp_ems: you dont need a CD for upgrading...just an internet connection and synaptic
[08:27] <kkathman> and you have to change your repos
[08:28] <cristian23___> i installed a fresh ubutnu on an amd64, enabled xdmcp, and querying from any machine with 8bit depth display makes sigfault gdmlogin
[08:28] <cristian23___> the same with kdm
[08:28] <wasp_ems> no...when i follow instructions from the site you gave me it says click on edit, cd rom etc
[08:29] <tvo> wasp_ems: that's the "with Breezy CD and synaptic" path
[08:29] <tvo> you should follow "Through Synaptic Package Manager" if you don't have a Breezy CD
[08:29] <wasp_ems> which means?
[08:29] <wasp_ems> a ok
[08:29] <wasp_ems> got it
[08:31] <cristian23___> can anyone make a test to see if i found a bug?
[08:32] <wasp_ems> but how do i change it to look for breeze?
[08:32] <tvo> wasp_ems: see step 2, you should change each occurence of "hoary" to "breezy" in the "Distribution:" field
[08:32] <tvo> in the settings->repositories dialog
[08:33] <kkathman> cristian23___: whats the bug?
[08:34] <wasp_ems> i go to settings repositories..and then a window with upgrades comes up but nowhere to change
[08:35] <cristian23___> kkathman:i installed a fresh ubutnu on an amd64, enabled xdmcp, and querying from any machine with 8bit depth display makes sigfault gdmlogin
[08:35] <cristian23___> the same problem with kdm
[08:35] <kkathman> cristian23___: cant help you...im not on an AMD box, and know nothing about xdmcp
[08:35] <tvo> wasp_ems: if you click in the left-top listbox the "URI:", "Distribution:" and "Section(s)" fields will be enabled
[08:36] <Treefrog> hey all.. any action round here?
[08:36] <Treefrog> got GRUB qs if anyone is up for it.. 
[08:37] <wasp_ems> i cant find it
[08:37] <tvo> wasp_ems: huh, you clicked settings->repositories from synaptic?
[08:38] <wasp_ems> yes
[08:38] <tvo> maybe synaptic changed really much :/
[08:38] <Treefrog> Hi guys U r using synaptic??
[08:38] <wasp_ems> do i change the one in cdrom....
[08:38] <kkathman> tvo just walk him through kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:39] <tvo> kkathman: yeah was thinking about that too.. may be easier.
[08:39] <kkathman> zyn: excellent!
[08:39] <kkathman> and by the way, wasp_ems just take the cd out...you wont need it ever again...forget about the CD
[08:40] <tvo> wasp_ems: what kkathman says, it's probably easier if I guide you through the "Apt-Get" paragraph
[08:41] <tvo> wasp_ems: do you mind?
[08:41] <wasp_ems> one moment..i will tell you...i found what u said(where to change it) but dont know which one to change...it has a list..
[08:41] <Treefrog> kkathman can I bug you about GRUB?
[08:42] <mpmc> LOL
[08:42] <zyn> kkathman: not really... friday night, frozen pizza, you do the math :/
[08:42] <tvo> if we're continueing with synaptic: you should change _every_ occurence of hoary to breezy
[08:42] <mpmc> Hmm.. frosen pizza
[08:42] <Treefrog> hehehe.. 
[08:43] <Treefrog> is it spooky frazed pizza?
[08:43] <kkathman> zyn lol :)  uhm... lets see...I'm guess alone, with a remote control dude :)
[08:43] <zyn> indeed
[08:44] <wasp_ems> it says cdrom:kubuntu 5.04 hoary hedgehog-release i386 etc...is this the one i should change for breeze?
[08:45] <wasp_ems> and under it has some other ones
[08:45] <kkathman> wasp_ems: comment that out
[08:45] <kkathman> then change all the other ones...where it says "hoary" replace with "breezy"
[08:45] <wasp_ems> meaning?
[08:45] <kkathman> remove it or put a # in front of the line
[08:45] <tvo> click the checkmark in the box before the item
[08:45] <tvo> kkathman: still using synaptic
[08:46] <kkathman> sorry
[08:46] <kkathman> remove the cdrom for sure
[08:46] <tvo> kkathman: do you know how much changed in synanptic between hoary and breezy?
[08:46] <kkathman> and take that dang CD ouT!!
[08:46] <kkathman> tvo: not much that I know of
[08:46] <kkathman> if any....cuz they spent the effort on Adept
[08:46] <wasp_ems> the cd is out..should i remove the first option that starts with cd also and then all the rest change them to breeze?
[08:47] <tvo> breezy, yes
[08:47] <freemanen> is it possible to save a irc chat in konversation?
[08:48] <kkathman> yah doesnt look like synaptic changed
[08:48] <hussam> can somebody check this? kDevelop Assistant won't launch in breezy
[08:49] <kkathman> freemanen: yes
[08:49] <freemanen> how?
[08:49] <kkathman> freemanen: Settings - Configure Konversation - Behavior - Logging
[08:49] <hussam> does anybody here have kdevelop installed?
[08:51] <Treefrog> Error 17 on GRUB boot.. is there a way to reinstall GRUB without reinstalling the whole of Kubuntu? anyone.. 
[08:51] <hussam> kdevelop designer won't launch as well
[08:51] <tvo> Treefrog: there is
[08:52] <wasp_ems> Treefrog: i think if u do fixmbr in dos, u will start using the windows start up
[08:52] <wasp_ems> but not sure
[08:52] <Treefrog> it is on another HDD.. will that make a difference?
[08:53] <Tm_T> !mp3
[08:53] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is a non-free format. Restricted formats' installation instructions can be found on the RestrictedFormats page of the wiki - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats - click away:)
[08:53] <wasp_ems> i think so..
[08:53] <tvo> Treefrog: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringGrub
[08:53] <Treefrog> thanks.. 
[08:53] <wasp_ems> Tvo: i did it but it is taking ages to load the new packages
[08:54] <tvo> wasp_ems: that's normal, depends on your connection speed
[08:55] <wasp_ems> ok..can you help me in something else i cant find a solution 2?
[08:55] <PinkBunny> ok, just installed myself k5.10, new to ubuntus ... what the hell is supposed to be sudo password if not the one I set for root account?
[08:56] <tvo> wasp_ems: you're just reloading the sources (step 3) or did you also already mark upgrades & apply changes
[08:56] <tvo> wasp_ems: sure
[08:56] <wasp_ems> just reloading
[08:57] <wasp_ems> i formated my pc and reinstalled windows and kubuntu but my external hard drive cannot be accessed by any of the 2..in windows it says that harddrive is formated..do u want to format??
[08:57] <coruja> PinkBunny: the command sudo refers to a certain group of privileged users, just use your password with sudo
[08:57] <PinkBunny> so I am supposed to use my use password with sudo?
[08:57] <PinkBunny> user
[08:58] <coruja> right
[08:58] <tvo> wasp_ems: and it _is_ actually formatted ?
[08:58] <tvo> PinkBunny: yes
[08:58] <PinkBunny> still wont work ;)
[08:58] <wasp_ems> no it is full of all my files...
[08:58] <wasp_ems> after formating my windows it just stopped opening it
[08:59] <coruja> Pinkbunny: are you logged in as the user you set up during installation?
[08:59] <PinkBunny> yes
[08:59] <coruja> hm, then it *should* work
[08:59] <tvo> wasp_ems: an usb harddisk? windows xp? i assume that
[08:59] <wasp_ems> yes
[08:59] <PinkBunny> that shouldnt matter as /etc/sudoers specifies that ALL users should have sudo privilege
[09:00] <tvo> PinkBunny: wasn't it only users in admin group?
[09:00] <PinkBunny> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[09:00] <PinkBunny> this is the last line of my /etc/sudoers
[09:00] <PinkBunny> by default
[09:00] <coruja> not all users, but the ones in a certain group of users woh have the right to do su commands
[09:00] <coruja> woh->who
[09:01] <PinkBunny> there is nothing else there uncommented, beside defaults line
[09:01] <tvo> wasp_ems: was it plugged in when formatting windows?
[09:02] <wasp_ems> yes..but i pulled it out
[09:02] <tvo> wasp_ems: did you ever format this external hd, or did you just buy&use(tm) ?
[09:02] <|mp|> sorry to be an ignorant redhat user: how do i do: "service cups restart" in kubuntu world?
[09:02] <wasp_ems> no..i have formated it loads of time
[09:02] <tvo> wasp_ems: I hope you wasn't accidentally formatting your external hd :/
[09:02] <wasp_ems> no...
[09:02] <tvo> |mp|: sudo /etc/init.d/cups restart
[09:03] <tvo> |mp|: though I'm not 100% sure about the cups part :)
[09:03] <kkathman> not cups....cupsys
[09:03] <tvo> ah
[09:03] <kkathman> but you type fast :)
[09:03] <kkathman> I had a hard time with his sn
[09:03] <kkathman> hehe
[09:03] <tvo> :D
[09:04] <wasp_ems> any help on that
[09:04] <wasp_ems> ?
[09:04] <tvo> it's what you get as a programmer :)
[09:05] <tvo> wasp_ems: currently I'm clueless
[09:05] <kkathman> tvo whats going on now?
[09:05] <wasp_ems> ok...the package thing is still taking ages..i hope it did not crash
[09:05] <tvo> kkathman: external hd trouble
[09:06] <tvo> kkathman: both win&lin
[09:06] <wasp_ems> thanks for all the help thoughh...i will be back later
[09:06] <kkathman> oh... I think Riddell figured out that he had an error on that drive and it was mounting RO
[09:06] <kkathman> do a mount and it comes back with errors
[09:07] <tvo> wasp_ems: synaptic will take a while when upgrading to breezy
[09:07] <kkathman> Thats why I just hate dual boot systems they just arent worth the trouble
[09:07] <kkathman> unless you REALLY know what you are doing
[09:07] <tvo> kkathman: Riddell talked to wasp_ems about this external hd?
[09:07] <kkathman> yah my upgrade took 6 hours
[09:07] <kkathman> tvo yes
[09:07] <tvo> ah
[09:07] <tvo> :o
[09:07] <wasp_ems> its not upgrading though it is just bringing the packages so i can sellect them
[09:08] <kkathman> like I said, tvo... you know what you are doing...most newbies dont
[09:08] <tvo> wasp_ems: that'll take only a fraction of the time needed to actually upgrade
[09:08] <tvo> but
[09:09] <kkathman> dang...I swear, tvo, getting to upgrading was so much simpler than going through synaptic...just apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade and go out to dinner
[09:09] <mpmc> Why cant people support Linux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:10] <tvo> kkathman: if it started from begining i'd have taken that path, but he was already messing with {k|s}ynaptic
[09:10] <wasp_ems> ok thank you all for your help and time...talk to you later
[09:10] <kkathman> tvo ahh ok
[09:10] <mpmc> most top games only work on windows!
[09:10] <tvo> wasp_ems: no problem
[09:10] <kkathman> mpmc right..hence you play them on windows :)
[09:10] <tvo> wasp_ems: hope the upgrade turns out well
[09:10] <mpmc> Name me a game that works on both!
[09:11] <kkathman> whats yer point?
[09:11] <|mp|> tvo: thx .. works  with "cupsys" :)
[09:11] <tvo> wasp_ems: probably you should plan in that the upgrade may take some hours
[09:11] <tvo> |mp|: no thankx
[09:11] <mpmc> I wish people would create games for both OS...
[09:12] <kkathman> mpmc  now lets picture you as a business entrepreneur....you develop a kick ass game...wanna market to over a billion desktops or a few hundred thousand that arent supported centrally??
[09:12] <kkathman> lemme see..thats an easy decision :)
[09:12] <hydrogen> or.. just use opengl and make both parties happy!
[09:12] <tvo> I think biggest problem is lack of binary compatibility
[09:12] <Mars> Hi
[09:12] <Mars> I have question
[09:12] <tvo> because except ID they don't release source
[09:12] <kkathman> tvo: biggest issue is support thats it
[09:13] <kkathman> go Mars
[09:13] <mpmc> kkathman: you had to ruin my dream!
[09:13] <kkathman> lol
[09:13] <mpmc> <_<
[09:13] <hydrogen> compile for i386
[09:13] <hydrogen> simple enough to do.
[09:13] <kkathman> mpmc theres also wine?
[09:13] <kkathman> hey and after I offer you wine too :(
[09:13] <tvo> hydrogen: and then, install it in the MBR?
[09:13] <hydrogen> tvo: err, what?
[09:13] <mpmc>  kkathman: wine don't work with Nivida does it
[09:14] <kkathman> Mars: whats the issue?
[09:14] <tvo> hydrogen: it won't work to just compile for i386
[09:14] <kkathman> mpmc I dunno, I never use wine
[09:14] <kkathman> lol
[09:14] <tvo> hydrogen: different APIs etc.
[09:14] <hydrogen> tvo: a good bit of it will
[09:14] <kkathman> except medicinally of course :)
[09:14] <Mars> How can i add The thing to my desktop that will show me informations about my computer like: using of ram. I saw something like this on screenshots and now i think i will need it
[09:14] <hydrogen> tvo: err, you are supporting different libc versions the same way you support different windows versions
[09:14] <tvo> Mars: sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[09:14] <kkathman> Mars: do some reading on Superkaramba
[09:14] <tvo> :p
[09:14] <kkathman> ^5s tvo
[09:15] <mpmc> <_<
[09:15] <kkathman> and the final Jeopardy question is.....
[09:15] <kkathman> lol
[09:15] <Tm_T> ok, good night comrades
[09:15] <mpmc> ^_^ does the moon dance
[09:15] <tvo> Tm_T: night
[09:15] <kkathman> "What is sudo apt-get install superkaramba"
[09:15] <kkathman> asiego:  you arent counting China
[09:16] <tvo> well, we'll be able to answer that, isn't it ?
[09:16] <aseigo> kkathman: neither are ISVs at this point, nor does china have another 500 million pc's =)
[09:16] <Mars> ok and how to run superkaramba?
[09:16] <kkathman> eh....the hyperbole still stand wrt the business model
[09:16] <Mars> ok
[09:16] <Mars> i have it
[09:16] <mpmc> Oh, sorry, I get bored
[09:17] <aseigo> kkathman: not really. opengl games tend to be fairly portable if done right; only a fraction of the 500 million windows PCs run games; etc etc
[09:17] <kkathman> Martha Stewart says "Keep that mold on cheese in a dry container and use it as an oral antibiotic next time you get bronchial pneumonia"
[09:17] <aseigo> kkathman: this is why we do see a number of titles available for linux these days
[09:18] <tvo> hydrogen: yeah, but at the moment I think you always end up messing with some alpha state system
[09:18] <tvo> like LSB
[09:18] <hydrogen> LSB sucks.
[09:18] <Mars> Is there any theme of superkaramba that includes transparent background?
[09:18] <tvo> that's my point
[09:18] <kkathman> aseigo: blah blah... 500-1 Im not sure I like the odds quite yet :)
[09:18] <aseigo> the lsb is not particularly relavent at this point for ISVs, no
[09:18] <kkathman> Mars: most all do...look at those at kde-look.org
[09:19] <Mars> ok but i cant run it
[09:19] <aseigo> kkathman: yes, we have a ways to go until we have a no-brainer scenario for ISVs. but i like to keep my bleak numbers accurate, too ;)
[09:19] <kkathman> ROFL
[09:20] <fujisan> I'M USING KUBUNTU :P
[09:20] <aseigo> THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW
[09:20] <kkathman> thats ok aseigo...ya never know...with MS and AOL talking, and Google attacking from the rear...ya never know what might happen :)
[09:20] <fujisan> wow
[09:20] <mpmc> erm.. is there a plugin for firefox to view Windows media content..
[09:20] <fujisan> nalioth you here..?
[09:20] <aseigo> mpmc: there's one for mplayer i believe
[09:21] <aseigo> mpmc: you need to install the windows codecs and compile mplayer though
[09:21] <mpmc> I have the win 32 codes
[09:21] <kkathman> packman woot!
[09:21] <Mars> But what is karamba doing
[09:21] <Mars> i am reading instructions
[09:21] <Mars> and i have doubt
[09:22] <kkathman> mpmc you have win codes, but do you have the nuclear launch codes?
[09:22] <mpmc> I dunno
[09:22] <tvo> lol
[09:22] <kkathman> Mars dont doubt...it works
[09:23] <kkathman> Mars: install superkaramba, run it...then download a few of the widgets and find one you like or two even
[09:25] <Riddell> aseigo: packman?
[09:25] <kkathman> packman woot
[09:25] <Riddell> is that like marillat?
[09:25] <kkathman> triple integrals...so much fun!
[09:29] <hussam> Riddell: On breezy, kdevassistan crashes with "QPainter::begin: Cannot paint null pixmap" error
[09:29] <hussam> Riddell:sorry, that kdevassistant
[09:29] <aseigo> Riddell: yeah, a repository of 3rd party rpm's for SUSE... ftp://packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/10.0 for instance ... really rather nice. click on MPLayer and voila. dvd playing.
[09:30] <Mars> Ok
[09:30] <Mars> But what theme gives me possibility of doing what i want?
[09:30] <Mars> Wich one is the best?
[09:30] <bison> what do you want?
[09:40] <xArv3nx> Hello.
[09:40] <xArv3nx> My Kubuntu keeps freezing, can anyone help me?
[09:41] <kkathman> xArv3nx: when does it freeze? Is it consistent?
[09:42] <xArv3nx> kkathman, I don't know, it just freezes. :( Yes.
[09:43] <xArv3nx> kkathman, I can move my mouse, but when I click or do anything nothing happens.
[09:43] <xArv3nx> kkathman, and I don't think I can switch to the terminal.
[09:43] <kkathman> xArv3nx: have you checked dmesg ?
[09:43] <Mars> Ok great thanks but what i have to do to make superkaramba be opened after i will run computer?
[09:43] <xArv3nx> Whats that?
[09:44] <kkathman> xArv3nx: go to a console, and type dmesg .. look for any kernel panic errors or abnormalites
[09:44] <xArv3nx> OK.
[09:44] <xArv3nx> I'll be back!
[09:44] <Mars> ?
[09:45] <kkathman> first time I ever got ubuntu running I got a kernel panic...reinstalled...went away...dunno
[09:49] <joseph> OK Back.
[09:49] <joseph> This is xArv3nx
[09:49] <joseph> Nope, btu I did find one thing.
[09:49] <joseph> it says something about DSPT in initrd not found.
[09:50] <joseph> Hello?
[09:51] <joseph> Can anyone help me? Kubuntu keeps freezing. :(
[09:52] <Mars> How to make aplication start in a startup ?
[09:52] <Mars> Karamba
[09:53] <dell500> anyone know if the 5th gen ipod works on ubuntu?
[09:57] <kkathman> Mars:  http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/startup.php
[09:58] <kkathman> dds
[09:58] <kkathman> dsd
[09:58] <kkathman> oops
[09:58] <kkathman> hehe
[09:58] <stratovarius> hey who can tell me who is that error and how solve it?
[09:58] <stratovarius> Configuro mozilla-firefox-locale-it (1.0-1ubuntu1) .../var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-locale-it.postinst: line 11: update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: command not founddpkg: errore processando mozilla-firefox-locale-it (-
[09:58] <stratovarius> *configure
[10:00] <kkathman> I guess if I could read italian it would help
[10:00] <xArv3nx> Hey kkathman.
[10:00] <kkathman> allo
[10:00] <xArv3nx> Did you see my response?
[10:00] <kkathman> yep
[10:01] <xArv3nx> Also, it happens almost as soon as i get on now.
[10:01] <xArv3nx> Or else when I start Konqueror
[10:01] <stratovarius> yes sorry I'll translate
[10:01] <xArv3nx> Well is there any help?
[10:01] <kkathman> xArv3nx: its really hard to determine what causes freezeups...maybe you should ask in #ubuntu
[10:01] <xArv3nx> Because this is getting me angry, and its been doing it for a LONG TIME, and only this distro.
[10:01] <xArv3nx> But the problem is, it only happens in Kubuntu.
[10:01] <stratovarius> Configure mozilla-firefox-local-it (1.0-1ubuntu1) .../var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox-locale-it.postinst: line 11: update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: command not founddpkg: error while processing mozilla-firefox-local-it
[10:01] <xArv3nx> Not Ubuntu. o.O
[10:02] <stratovarius> it should be translated in that wau
[10:02] <stratovarius> *way
[10:02] <stratovarius> who can help me?
[10:02] <kkathman> xArv3nx: since this sounds more like a system kind of thing, and not kubuntu per se, I'd try in #ubuntu
[10:02] <xArv3nx>  Alright.
[10:02] <kkathman> stratovarius: what were you doing at the time this occurred
[10:03] <stratovarius> it occurres everytimes I install or remove packages with apt
[10:03] <kkathman> it seems to think that dpkg isnt there
[10:03] <kkathman> are you doing the apt-gets with sudo?
[10:04] <stratovarius> yes
[10:04] <stratovarius> it is a file to translate mozilla but mozilla isnt installed on my kubuntu breezy
[10:05] <stratovarius> does no one have any ideas how to solve my problem?
[10:06] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:07] <xArv3nx> Umm..
[10:07] <xArv3nx> kk..
[10:07] <xArv3nx> They are saying that the guys at Kubuntu tried to rip me off. o.O
[10:07] <xArv3nx> They said to come back here.
[10:07] <kkathman> lol
[10:07] <kkathman> grrr
[10:07] <kkathman> oh well
[10:07] <kkathman> I need to boogie a bit
[10:09] <frank_b> can anyone tell me what's the difference between the "fglrx" driver and the ati proprietary driver?
[10:11] <mpmc> erm is there a player that will play MMS streams?
[10:11] <Xeef> hello
[10:12] <Xeef> anybody knows how to add karambas theme to startup??
[10:14] <Mars> Someone runnicg CrystalGL window decoration on Breezy?
[10:16] <Mars> Is it possible?
[10:16] <frank_b> can anyone tell me what's the difference between the "fglrx" driver and the ati proprietary driver you can download from the site?
[10:16] <xArv3nx> Can anyone help me?
[10:16] <xArv3nx> Kubuntu keeps freezing. :(
[10:25] <stratovarius> did someone install america's army?
[10:25] <stratovarius> it's a game
[10:30] <Cilindrador> it's also crap
[10:30] <Cilindrador> install doom2 and get done with it
[10:32] <stratovarius> I installed america's army but there are some warnings. look here if u want to hlep me http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3754
[10:35] <Cilindrador> that is totally over mu head
[10:35] <Cilindrador> ask a BOFH
[10:35] <Cilindrador> but im seeing errors from OOo and other places during the install of AA:O
[10:35] <Cilindrador> wtf
[10:38] <stratovarius> I installed america's army but there are some warnings. look here if u want to hlep me http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3754
[10:42] <stratovarius> pls no one can help me?
[10:43] <apokryphos> stratovarius: ignore warnings, take note of errors
[10:43] <apokryphos> looks like another case of someone using a GUI app with sudo
[10:44] <slow-motion> n8
[10:45] <stratovarius> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-stratovarius" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.                    Error: "/tmp/kde-stratovarius" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[10:45] <stratovarius> there are only those errors
[10:45] <poimen> hi
[10:45] <stratovarius> apok dont u know how to hlep me?
[10:45] <apokryphos> hm, perhaps not; wondering how that happened
[10:45] <poimen> there is something to make dvd backups?
[10:45] <poimen> I want to backup a DVD costed my 40 bucks
[10:45] <poimen> ???????
[10:46] <poimen> Its there something like dbdshink for linux?
[10:46] <apokryphos> stratovarius: try chown -R root:root /tmp/kde-root
[10:46] <poimen> dvdshink I mean
[10:46] <stratovarius> apok there is no output
[10:47] <stratovarius> what do I have to do no?
[10:47] <apokryphos> stratovarius: excellent; in UNIX -> silence is golden 8)
[10:47] <apokryphos> try re-running the game or whatever it was
[10:47] <stratovarius> hehe
[10:48] <stratovarius> apok it doesnt want to run
[10:50] <stratovarius> apok?!?
[10:51] <manveru_> some people have real problems here :)
[10:52] <manveru_> now, what are you trying to do strato?
[10:52] <manveru_> and poiman, what is dvdshink?
[10:52] <stratovarius> I installed americas army but I had some warnings,look here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3754
[10:53] <poimen> dvdshrink us a program that take DVD movies and compress them so they can get into a 4.7 gig DVD disk
[10:53] <manveru_> what is the command you ran?
[10:54] <stratovarius> armyops
[10:54] <manveru_> just armyops?
[10:54] <stratovarius> yes
[10:54] <manveru_> without being root or sudo or something?
[10:55] <stratovarius> also tried with sudo
[10:55] <manveru_> before or after?
[10:55] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> hi guys
[10:55] <stratovarius> but it didnt want to run
[10:55] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> little questions about klaptop module
[10:55] <stratovarius> before or after what?
[10:55] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> what changes between suspend and hibernate?
[10:55] <manveru_> before or after running only armyops
[10:56] <manveru_> Tallia1-KubuntuB: one is for suspend to RAM the other is for suspend to HD
[10:56] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ?
[10:56] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> what it means?
[10:56] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> what's the difference?
[10:56] <manveru_> Tallia1-KubuntuB: first takes power, but boots faster, second needs no energy, but takes more time to boot
[10:56] <stratovarius> no I wrote armyops and sudo army ops but it didnt work
[10:56] <manveru_> both times the same error?
[10:57] <stratovarius> no error it sayd me command not found
[10:57] <manveru_> poimen: i guess you have to google for that, but i am sure there are some tools out there for that
[10:57] <poimen> ok
[10:57] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> manveru_: power?
[10:57] <manveru_> stratovarius: since i haven't got armyops i don't exactly now, how to install/start it
[10:58] <manveru_> Tallia1-KubuntuB: energy from your battery
[10:58] <stratovarius> :(
[10:58] <manveru_> however
[10:58] <manveru_> you have the CD in?
[10:58] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> can you explain me what really happens in both the situation?
[10:58] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> what goes where..
[10:59] <manveru_> Tallia1-KubuntuB: i don't know exactly how it works... i just know it works for me :)
[10:59] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> eheh
[10:59] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and which kind do you use?
[10:59] <manveru_> Tallia1-KubuntuB: but in one case it writes all the RAM to disk
[10:59] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> in one case? which?
[11:00] <manveru_> Tallia1-KubuntuB: i guess it is hibernate... but my translation might be wrong
[11:00] <manveru_> yeah, it is
[11:00] <manveru_> Hibernate is Suspend-to-disk
[11:01] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and the other one?
[11:01] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> it is like a stand by?
[11:01] <manveru_> the other one writes all your data into RAM and shuts down the power to the rest of the computer
[11:01] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ahh ok
[11:01] <manveru_> this one is more unstable
[11:01] <frank_b> glxgears doesn't give me the fps anymore now in Breezy. anyone knows what happened top it?
[11:01] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> this is like a stand by!!
[11:01] <manveru_> and it needs quite some energy on my computer, so i rarely use it
[11:02] <Xirdneh> hi there
[11:02] <manveru_> yeah
[11:02] <manveru_> frank_b: what do you mean?
[11:02] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> so what changes between stand by and suspend?
[11:02] <marteus> use glxgears -printfps
[11:03] <manveru_> Tallia1-KubuntuB: didn't i say it before?
[11:03] <frank_b> manveru_: it used to show the weels moving really fast and gave a frames per seconds average in the terminal. now neither of that happens in Breezy
[11:03] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> no
[11:03] <Xirdneh> question... i cant play anything with Kaffeine so i searched and find out ineed kaffeine-xine... the thing is that i typed sudo apt-get kaffeine-xine but it says that the package is not available... has it changed the name?... i tryed to find it in Synaptic no good :S
[11:03] <Xirdneh> any ideas? thnx
[11:03] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> you said me the difference between suspend and hibernate
[11:04] <manveru_> Tallia1-KubuntuB: suspend == stand by
[11:04] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i thought suspend and hybernate were the same thing
[11:04] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> and now.. :) which is the difference between stand by and suspend? there are two different options in klapto
[11:04] <manveru_> Tallia1-KubuntuB: just try it :) it will be much more descriptive then my bad english
[11:05] <marteus> Xirdneh: have you tried the gstreamer plugins?
[11:05] <marteus> I got it to work with most formats
[11:05] <Xirdneh> marteus... really?... do i have to type apt-get kaffeine-streamer?
[11:05] <manveru_> Xirdneh: try 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer*'
[11:06] <Xirdneh> o.o thnx manveru_ let me try it
[11:06] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ok stand by doesn't work... :) 
[11:06] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> it simply refresh the screen :=
[11:06] <manveru_> Tallia1-KubuntuB: yeah, that's the case with many laptops
[11:06] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> how can i come back from suspend?
[11:06] <manveru_> Tallia1-KubuntuB: just hit the power-button
[11:07] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> mhh, isn't it binded with a direct shutdown script?
[11:07] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> under kde
[11:07] <manveru_> you are suspended, right?
[11:07] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> y
[11:07] <manveru_> since KDE is not running anymore in that case
[11:07] <Xirdneh> marteus, well y see in synaptic i have the gstreamer-0.8
[11:07] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> mhh
[11:07] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i'll try
[11:07] <Xirdneh> and also the kaffeine gstreamer
[11:08] <marteus> Xirdneh: i think it's called gstreamer0.8-plugins
[11:08] <marteus> Xirdneh: but it's from multiverse repository
[11:09] <Xirdneh> marteus yup that one to... im reading in the guide that i need some mor plugins let me install it and ill get back
[11:09] <nalioth> there are 2 of those gstreamer plugins pkgs
[11:09] <marteus> Xirdneh: sure
[11:09] <nalioth> the other one is the same but ends in -multiverse
[11:09] <flixor> question in wich dir is kmail saving the mail
[11:10] <manveru_> ~/mbox (when you didn't change anything)
[11:10] <flixor> kee
[11:12] <stratovarius> ./armyops-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:13] <stratovarius> guys I installed america's army. in a console I wrote sh armyops and it tells me 
[11:13] <stratovarius> ./armyops-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:13] <stratovarius> what do I have to install?
[11:14] <manveru_> libstdc++6-4.0-dev
[11:14] <manveru_> propably
[11:14] <nalioth> stratovarius: libstdc++*-dev
[11:14] <manveru_> ah, yeah, better choice :)
[11:14] <stratovarius> manveru it is already ionstalled
[11:14] <stratovarius> *installed
[11:15] <manveru_> hmm
[11:16] <manveru_> do a 'ls -la /usr/lib | grep libstdc++.so' and look if there is a file
[11:16] <stratovarius> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root       18 2005-10-26 18:13 libstdc++.so.6 -> libstdc++.so.6.0.5
[11:16] <stratovarius> -rw-r--r--   1 root root   919540 2005-10-01 16:14 libstdc++.so.6.0.5
[11:17] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ehi..
[11:17] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> suspend ...... i can't resume
[11:17] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> even pressing power button for hundreds of times..
[11:17] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> sosob
[11:17] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> while hibernate should work... i used that in the past
[11:17] <stratovarius> manveru that was my output
[11:17] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> manveru_: another question.. 
[11:18] <manveru_> stratovarius: ok, so you have to get a old version of the lib
[11:18] <stratovarius> he he how can I get it?
[11:18] <manveru_> 'sudo apt-get install libstdc++5-3.3-dev'
[11:18] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> manveru_: why it doesn't work? did it happens before?
[11:18] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> manveru_: and what about the performance profiles?
[11:18] <manveru_> Tallia1-KubuntuB: well, it very much depends on the laptop you have
[11:19] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i dunno what conservative and userspace means
[11:19] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> do you?
[11:19] <manveru_> Tallia1-KubuntuB: i guess you have to lookup the docs for the app
[11:19] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> where?
[11:21] <manveru_> these are features of acpi afaik
[11:21] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ?
[11:21] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> afaik?
[11:21] <manveru_> http://rffr.de/acpi
[11:21] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ok
[11:21] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> tnx
[11:21] <manveru_> as far as i know
[11:22] <Mars> Offtop question about english- I write playing or plaing ?
[11:23] <manveru_> playing
[11:23] <Mars> thanks
[11:23] <stratovarius> manveru I installed the old version of the lib, I clicked on the link and the game seems it want to start but it doesnt start
[11:24] <gan|y|med> hallo. i have installed kubuntu 5.10 and i need root privileges... but there is no root password...
[11:24] <seth_k|lappy> hi gan|y|med 
[11:24] <manveru_> gan|y|med: there is no root-password, for everything that requires root-privileges use 'sudo'
[11:24] <seth_k|lappy> there is no root password in Kubuntu
[11:24] <seth_k|lappy> !tell gan|y|med about rootsudo
[11:24] <manveru_> stratovarius: wich means?
[11:24] <nalioth> ubotu: tell gan|y|med about root
[11:25] <seth_k|lappy> way ahead of you nalioth 
[11:25] <stratovarius> I click on the link, a little window gets opened but the game doesnt want to start
[11:26] <gan|y|med> thx. but i hate that kind of system behaviour... it reminds me on windooz
[11:26] <manveru_> gan|y|med: -.- if you insist of becoming root, do a 'sudo su'
[11:27] <seth_k|lappy> gan|y|med, I should think not... Windows would let you do anything you want without a password, just like becoming root
[11:27] <seth_k|lappy> sudo makes you use a password for everything
[11:27] <stratovarius> manveru I click on the link, a little window gets opened but the game doesnt want to start
[11:27] <seth_k|lappy> I think you should give it a go on learning to do things the sudo way, gan|y|med 
[11:27] <manveru_> stratovarius: i know - but i don't know what is happening
[11:27] <stratovarius> :(
[11:28] <manveru_> stratovarius: is there no community for americas army on linux?
[11:28] <gan|y|med> no, i mean it more generally... mr gates tends to tell one what one has to use... and therefore tries to limit one's possibilities
[11:28] <Xirdneh> marteus. well it was that i needed several packages in order to play that thnx a lot
[11:28] <Xirdneh> other question regarding Kaffeine, i open kaffeine and try to add the whole directory where i have my MP3s but it crashes for some reason :S... i have installed the plugins and i have the latest Kaffeine version... i hvae like 2000 mp3s
[11:28] <Treefrog> more GRUB stuff. I get it to boot as far as the menue now but on selecting a linux installation I get error 17 any one have a clue where to move on that?
[11:29] <gan|y|med> i'll do. just for the beginning i go the traditional way... my x.org server doesnt start on my nb (radeon x700)...
[11:29] <seth_k|lappy> stratovarius, you're trying to install armyops?
[11:29] <manveru_> gan|y|med: it is fun to hear about sudo being traditional :)
[11:30] <manveru_> gan|y|med: for problems with your x-server, go to #xorg
[11:30] <stratovarius> manveru there is thi error
[11:30] <stratovarius> stratovarius@ubuntu:~/armyops$ sh armyops
[11:30] <stratovarius> open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy
[11:30] <stratovarius> Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[11:30] <stratovarius> History:
[11:30] <stratovarius> Exiting due to error
[11:30] <stratovarius> what can I do?
[11:30] <manveru_> install your 3d-drivers?
[11:30] <stratovarius> mm I dont know U are the expert :D
[11:31] <manveru_> have you done that already?
[11:31] <stratovarius> no
[11:31] <manveru_> good, i guess you need 3d to play it
[11:31] <stratovarius> how to install 3g drivers?
[11:31] <stratovarius> *3d
[11:31] <manveru_> what card?
[11:32] <gan|y|med> thx
[11:32] <stratovarius> nvidia gforce2 mx if I remember
[11:32] <manveru_> perfect, should be easy
[11:32] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> is there a way to change the speed of the professor set by klaptop when the system is in userspace?
[11:32] <nalioth> have you been to the AA homepage and seen what is required?
[11:32] <gan|y|med> ciao
[11:32] <manveru_> there is an excellent tutorial in the ubuntu-forum
[11:32] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> cioa
[11:32] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> italy!!
[11:32] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> o almeno credo
[11:32] <stratovarius> w italy
[11:33] <stratovarius> :D
[11:33] <manveru_> stratovarius: i guess you don't speak german...
[11:33] <stratovarius> mmm no I dont 
[11:33] <manveru_> k, i will write you a small tutorial on base of the forum, since it is in german
[11:34] <manveru_> should be 10 lines or something
[11:34] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> is there a way to change the speed of the professor set by klaptop when the system is in userspace?
[11:34] <stratovarius> k thx
[11:34] <stratovarius> may u give me also the link of the forum?
[11:34] <seth_k|lappy> http://ubuntuforums.org
[11:35] <stratovarius> thx seth
[11:35] <stratovarius> do u use america's amry?
[11:35] <seth_k|lappy> there's an armyops tut in there too, and it's english :P
[11:35] <seth_k|lappy> yeah I do
[11:35] <seth_k|lappy> I get 20 FPS more in Linux than in Windows :)
[11:35] <stratovarius> do u know some other free games for linux?
[11:36] <manveru_> stratovarius: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[11:36] <manveru_> found one in english :)
[11:36] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> is there a way to change the speed of the professor set by klaptop when the system is in userspace?
[11:36] <seth_k|lappy> stratovarius, there's always enemy territory
[11:36] <seth_k|lappy> Tallia1-KubuntuB, yes
[11:37] <seth_k|lappy> Tallia1-KubuntuB, right-click the plug/battery in your system tray applet
[11:37] <seth_k|lappy> and choose Processor Throttling
[11:37] <seth_k|lappy> stratovarius, open Adept and install nvidia-glx-legacy and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-386-nvidia-legacy
[11:37] <seth_k|lappy> (If you haven't enabled the restricted repositories you'll have to do that first)
[11:37] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> seth_k|lappy: i can change only the profile
[11:38] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i want to change the setting of a specific profile
[11:38] <seth_k|lappy> Tallia1-KubuntuB, you don't have an option called "CPU Throttling" ?
[11:38] <seth_k|lappy> let me show you a pic
[11:38] <stratovarius> thx seth
[11:38] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> what are userspace and conservative profiles?
[11:38] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> yes but it is only a checkbox
[11:38] <grothesk> Hi there!
[11:39] <seth_k|lappy> Oh I see Tallia1-KubuntuB, you want to permanently change the processor usage for one profile?
[11:39] <grothesk> How can I install the gnome desktop environment under kubuntu?
[11:39] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> yes
[11:39] <seth_k|lappy> grothesk, "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[11:39] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i love powersave because it never starts the processor fan
[11:39] <eGaTS> i broke my kubuntu :(
[11:39] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> but i think that i can have something better that 700 MHz
[11:40] <manveru_> does your processor love it as well? :)
[11:40] <grothesk> I can't find it in adept.
[11:40] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> seth_k|lappy: any suggestion?
[11:40] <seth_k|lappy> Tallia1-KubuntuB, look in SystemSettings > Laptops & Power > Laptop Battery
[11:40] <seth_k|lappy> there, you can set default CPU throttles
[11:41] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> k, what about userspace and conservative?
[11:41] <seth_k|lappy> not sure exactly what each does
[11:41] <seth_k|lappy> conservative sounds like it conserves battery
[11:41] <eGaTS> i need some help please
[11:41] <seth_k|lappy> eGaTS, just ask :)
[11:41] <seth_k|lappy> don't ask to ask
[11:42] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> seth_k|lappy: i didn't find it
[11:42] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> seth_k|lappy: is it in kcontrol?
[11:42] <eGaTS> i rebooted and now my resolution and refresh rates are stuck on 640x480@60Hz :(
[11:42] <seth_k|lappy> Tallia1-KubuntuB, no
[11:42] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> seth_k|lappy: i got a power-control -> laptop battery
[11:42] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ah
[11:42] <seth_k|lappy> it is in SystemSettings. Are you using breezy?
[11:42] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> yes
[11:42] <seth_k|lappy> oh, well that'll work too
[11:42] <grothesk> 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' delivers: Could not find ubuntu-desktop
[11:42] <seth_k|lappy> but I'm not sure the options are the same
[11:42] <gan|y|med> hallo again. i know i should go to #xorg... but i am there and nobody says anything so i'll jsut ask here, okay?
[11:42] <seth_k|lappy> grothesk, what repositories do you have active?
[11:42] <seth_k|lappy> gan|y|med, go for it
[11:42] <gan|y|med> I have the following prob: x.org on kubuntu on nb - x.org starts up with kde - i can hear the kde sound - but the screen stays black.
[11:43] <grothesk> seth_k|lappy: The default ones.
[11:43] <gan|y|med>  any ideas? resolution is set to 1400x1050. i have tried it with 24bit and 16bit.
[11:43] <seth_k|lappy> !info ubuntu-desktop
[11:43] <ubotu> ubuntu-desktop: (The Ubuntu desktop system), section base, is optional. Version: 0.80 (breezy), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[11:43] <seth_k|lappy> gan|y|med, are you using the fglrx drivers?
[11:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> seth_k|lappy: where have i to go?
[11:43] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> seth_k|lappy: the options in there doesn't include what you said
[11:43] <seth_k|lappy> grothesk, are you sure you don't have just the CD enabled? (i.e. not archive.ubuntu.com)
[11:44] <eGaTS> how do i fix it?
[11:44] <grothesk> *g* Sorry,,,
[11:44] <seth_k|lappy> Tallia1-KubuntuB, "Default Power Profiles"?
[11:44] <seth_k|lappy> eGaTS, do you have an Intel integrated GFX chipset?
[11:45] <gan|y|med> i haven't been able to find anything in the log file. the ati driver seems to start up. it is the proprietary driver according to the log. but it's a fresh install
[11:45] <gan|y|med> i haven't changed anything
[11:45] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ....
[11:45] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> seth_k|lappy: there i can change only the default profile.
[11:46] <grothesk> seth_k|lappy: Now it works...
[11:46] <seth_k|lappy> grothesk, cheers
[11:46] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> seth_k|lappy: i want to change the amount of cpu used when i am in powersave
[11:46] <eGaTS> seth_k|lappy: my graphics are integrated, yes
[11:46] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> ANYONE know what userspace and conservative means?
[11:46] <eGaTS> but before i rebooted, i had 1024x768 @ 80Hz
[11:47] <grothesk> O.K.: Upadte runs now.
[11:48] <stratovarius> manveru I did what u said me but the console gives me this error:
[11:48] <stratovarius> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:48] <grothesk> Do I have to change something in kdm to be able to switch between kde and gnome?
[11:48] <stratovarius> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:48] <stratovarius> Signal: SIGSEGV [segmentation fault] 
[11:48] <stratovarius> Aborting.
[11:48] <stratovarius> Crash information will be saved to your logfile.
[11:48] <stratovarius> X Error of failed request:  BadColor (invalid Colormap parameter)
[11:48] <stratovarius>   Major opcode of failed request:  79 (X_FreeColormap)
[11:48] <stratovarius>   Resource id in failed request:  0x2c0000c
[11:48] <stratovarius>   Serial number of failed request:  107
[11:48] <stratovarius>   Current serial number in output stream:  109
[11:48] <seth_k|lappy> Tallia1-KubuntuB, ack, now I see
[11:48] <eGaTS> seth_k|lappy: my X.org log says "I810(0): Not using mode "1024x768" (no mode of this name)"
[11:48] <seth_k|lappy> stratovarius, please don't paste in the channel. Use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[11:48] <seth_k|lappy> eGaTS, alright, that's easy to fix
[11:48] <stratovarius> ok sorry
[11:49] <seth_k|lappy> eGaTS, in terminal: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:49] <seth_k|lappy> just copy and paste that ^
[11:49] <seth_k|lappy> Tallia1-KubuntuB, no idea how to actually change the physical properties of a profile
[11:49] <gan|y|med> any ideas?
[11:49] <seth_k|lappy> stratovarius, you will need to enable the GLX extension
[11:50] <stratovarius> seth how can I enable it?
[11:50] <seth_k|lappy> stratovarius, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:50] <eGaTS> seth_k|lappy: ok, i'm there
[11:50] <seth_k|lappy> ^ in terminal
[11:50] <seth_k|lappy> and make sure and check GLX when it asks you
[11:50] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> seth_k|lappy: /etc/cpufreqd.conf
[11:50] <seth_k|lappy> eGaTS, go down and find your "monitor" section
[11:50] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> klaptop use this file..
[11:50] <Tallia1-KubuntuB> i think
[11:50] <seth_k|lappy> eGaTS, do you have "VertRefresh" and "HorizSync" lines?
[11:52] <gan|y|med> ok, according xorg.conf i am using the "ati" driver... so i guess the mesa driver stuff. is there a prebuilt (k)ubuntu package of the original ati drivers?
[11:52] <seth_k|lappy> gan|y|med, yes
[11:52] <eGaTS> seth_k|lappy: nope.
[11:52] <seth_k|lappy> gan|y|med, you need:
[11:52] <seth_k|lappy> xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:53] <seth_k|lappy> and linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[11:53] <seth_k|lappy> install both of those
[11:53] <gan|y|med> just with apt-get?
[11:53] <seth_k|lappy> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[11:53] <marteus> X
[11:53] <seth_k|lappy> just c&p that ^
[11:53] <seth_k|lappy> eGaTS, okay. What monitor do you have?
[11:53] <seth_k|lappy> brand and model # please
[11:54] <stratovarius> seth glx was already actived
[11:54] <eGaTS> seth_k|lappy: it's listed as "HWP" in xorg.conf
[11:54] <seth_k|lappy> stratovarius, did you install the binary drivers?
[11:54] <seth_k|lappy> eGaTS, you don't know what kind of monitor it is?
[11:55] <seth_k|lappy> what the brand name is?
[11:55] <stratovarius> yes but a nvidia logo didnt appear me after the log out (and pressed ctrl alt backspace)
[11:55] <eGaTS> seth_k|lappy: it's an HP M-series CRT
[11:56] <seth_k|lappy> stratovarius, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:56] <seth_k|lappy> ^ in terminal
[11:56] <stratovarius> done now?
[11:56] <seth_k|lappy> stratovarius, then you'll want to restart X once more
[11:56] <seth_k|lappy> and you should get an nv logo
[11:57] <seth_k|lappy> eGaTS, do you know a model number? :( it'll be on the back of the monitor if all else fails
[11:58] <eGaTS> seth_k|lappy: i've been using kubuntu for a week and have rebooted several times. but somehow i broke something before this last reboot.
[11:59] <eGaTS> seth_k|lappy: would it have something to do with removing the laptop packages from adept? i figured i didn't need them since i don't have a laptop.
[11:59] <seth_k|lappy> eGaTS, the best way I know to ensure i810 is working correctly is to input modelines into xorg.conf, but to do that you have to have the model number
[11:59] <seth_k|lappy> eGaTS, no... that shouldn't hurt
[11:59] <seth_k|lappy> do you remember what packages?
[12:00] <eGaTS> seth_k|lappy: not really. does adept keep a log?
[12:00] <eGaTS> seth_k|lappy: it's an HP M70