[12:02] Mithrandir: take a look at the high-priority specs which aren't yet assigned === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] spayne: it doesn't build on amd64 at the moment, but I had it building and working in the past so it should be possible to fix it [12:03] spayne: i didn't look at that one [12:03] spayne: but I won't have time for it, practically speaking, ever [12:03] mdz: sorry man :( [12:03] mdz: i'm too lowly to do it [12:03] mdz: just a meesly servant to those MOTU masters :) [12:03] I canceled my cable TV and so my interest in mythtv has waned [12:04] spayne: I'll see if it's trivially fixable, at least === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132194128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] Mithrandir: will you ping me if you find anything? [12:08] spayne: it should use libavcodec-dev and not the one it ships, at least === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] Mithrandir : Claim LiveCD Performance Improvements, it may fit in with your other livefs-related specs. [12:10] infinity: I'm subscribed to it, I don't know what else I can do. :-) === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A61FFE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] night all === cevizoglu [n=cevizogl@nat1.supportsoft.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kaloz_ [n=kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj^ adds the pie in the sky ideas to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu%2eMac === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] robertj^: Ubuntu.Mac would... just.... *rock* [12:29] wow :-) === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga goes to sleep, bye === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-173-146-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@66.103.220.207] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity grumbles about the ongoing VFAT sync/async debate. [12:51] infinity: indeed the current async behavior of the kernel could be improved, but that's out of scope for us I'm afraid [12:51] infinity: duck or dragon? [12:51] infinity: 7 members? === tseng hides [12:51] duck! [12:51] :-) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpool [n=mbp@ozlabs.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] pitti : Read my followup to 18571. I don't think it's the async behaviour that needs to be fixed, but rather the sync behaviour. [12:55] pitti : If sync were atomic at the file level, rather than the block level (which makes far more sense on FAT, since FAT doesn't journal), the problem would be solved, IMO. [12:55] infinity: hm, but sync is intrinsically evil for flash memory, how this shold be fixed? [12:56] pitti : No, sync on FAT is evil for flash, not sync in general. [12:56] pitti : Again, solved if we're atomic at the file level, not the block level (so the FAT gets updates once per file, instead of once per block) [12:58] pitti : At any rate, I was pretty freaked out earlier today to see my massive file copy to USB flash being done async, so it interests me. I'm not sure if I have the time to do the above kernel hacking, but that doesn't make the bug any less of a bug. :) [12:59] infinity: it's not a bug IMHO - if you do proper unmounting, everything is synced eventually [12:59] pitti : Win32 DOES appear to write to USB flash devices synchronously (the file copy dialog sure blocks for a long time, and when it's done, I can remove the flash and it's working) [12:59] infinity: and there already is an open bug to display the progress when unounting [12:59] So, clearly Microsoft has worked around this in their FAT driver. [01:00] ok, let's continue tomorrow - the guys cry for going to dinner :-) [01:00] Heh. Fair enough. === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-123.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GmanZZZ is now known as gmna === gmna is now known as Gman === Treenaks [n=martijn@messy.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-247-16.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] daniels: you touched vim last, right? :-) [01:29] daniels: hi btw :-) [01:33] Nafallo: i did the vim merge and added dapper to the list of distributions, yeah [01:34] daniels: so why do we have a gvim.desktop in vim? :-) [01:35] since that is provided by vim-[gnome,gtk] [01:36] Nafallo: *shrug* [01:37] daniels: bug? want it reported? :-) [01:38] Nafallo: um, I dunno. suddenly showing up in menus? [01:38] daniels: yepp [01:39] nafallo@darkelf:~ $ LANG="C" gvim [01:39] E25: GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time [01:39] that's the result for the command ;-) [01:39] oh, hrm [01:39] we've had this problem before === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] Nafallo: which variant did you install? [01:45] vim-gtk should work afaict [01:45] daniels: I didn't. vim is installed by default :-) [01:45] ubuntu-minimal :-) === Mortas_ [n=kris@217.148.89.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] daniels: want a bugreport or fixing it now? :-) === ozamosi- [n=nnnnchat@h56n3c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] Nafallo: i'm looking at it now === ozamosi- is now known as ozamosi [02:05] daniels: oki. thanx :-). === DapperDrake [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === otavio[off] [n=otavio@201.10.58.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robot101 [i=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.7.130.247] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jabra [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] hi guys [02:07] I want to create package that contains some rnc schemas === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] and I wonder if there is some preferred path for these files [02:08] there is /usr/share/sgml and /usr/share/xml with dtd and xml schemas [02:08] could someone help me to decide where to install Relax NG schemas? === _julien [i=julien@feng.planet-work.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] there's no Debian xml schema policy? [02:10] bob2: RelaxNG schemas are not sgml and also not xml [02:11] bob2: they are related to xml but not in xml format [02:11] /usr/share/relaxng seems pretty obvious [02:11] bob2: so I'm not sure if they suit to /usr/share/xml [02:11] if they're not xml, don't put them in /usr/share/xml === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-119-202.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:14] daniels: hmmm in fact there is a lot of files that are not xml in /usr/share/xml actually [02:14] such as? [02:14] maybe /usr/share/xml/schema/ and add 'rnc' subdirectory [02:15] daniels: for example /usr/share/xml/libglade/glade-2.0.dtd [02:16] that's a DTd [02:16] daniels: I know what it is [02:16] daniels: and it's not xml [02:17] daniels: just like rnc files - they are not in xml format but they are simmilar thing to dtd === dredg [n=nsherida@216-239-45-4.google.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] daniels: www.relaxng.org [02:17] right, but my point is that DTDs are not actual XML fils, but they're part of the standard, etc, etc === cevizoglu [n=cevizogl@nat1.supportsoft.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] if I write an external app and then put my random validation stuff into /usr/share/xml in whatever format, it would seem a bit weird === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbrett [i=brett@free.linux.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jmg [n=Jernau@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === magnon [n=co@ool-44c1c557.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] daniels: dtd, xml schema and relaxng are in fact the same thing === spacedman [n=rowlings@fyb028000002.lancs.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] daniels: just some different ideas - and only xml schema is in xml format === kent [n=kent@h55d210.delphi.afb.lu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@gandalf.pemas.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shinmen [n=alvaro@nat1.inalambrica.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@201-26-76-37.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] Evening all === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blehbleh [n=ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] hi all [02:50] slomo_: ping? === robertj^ [n=foo@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487F22B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Wr77H0H [n=Wr77H0H@70.89.208.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GnuKemist [n=omaciel@cpe-69-206-241-40.nj.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GnuKemist [n=omaciel@cpe-69-206-241-40.nj.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === kent [n=kent@h55d210.delphi.afb.lu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-99-40.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A62697.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpool [n=mbp@ozlabs.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@66.103.220.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] ciao all [03:46] Kinnison: gbye :-) === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-50-19.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fatalerror [n=fatalerr@unaffiliated/fatalerror] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Diziet [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glick [n=glickina@cpe-24-193-249-141.ucwphilly.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:27] hi [04:27] hey is there any chance of seeing a frubuntu? ubuntu with a freebsd kernel? [04:28] well, debian started a port ages ago and after years of work, hasn't really got anywhere [04:28] either you need to adjust everything to cope with a bsd libc, or make glibc work fine on fbsd [04:28] so if you can do it basically on your own and do what debian hasn't managed to do in years, sure [04:29] daniels, wouldnt that just mean compiling everything agains libc? [04:29] "just" [04:29] yeah it's easy [04:29] that's a huge undertaking [04:29] go and try it now [04:30] daniels: i get the impression there's never more than 1 developer working on debian/kfreebsd at a time [04:30] dilinger: even so, it's been, what, four years? five? [04:30] yea [04:30] something like that [04:30] well what if SCO should win? [04:31] would be nice to have a freebsd kernel we can just swap in [04:31] yeah that's highly likely to happen [04:31] I'm personally terrified [04:31] Duke Nukem Forever will be released to retail first [04:31] you never know [04:31] glick: win what? [04:32] dilinger, you know the the case against linux === daniels pointedly watches the topic slowly drift away from #ubuntu-devel's charter. [04:32] glick: it's against IBM [04:32] and many people do know [04:32] it's against IBM and former SCO users [04:32] yeah and if they win everyone using linux will have to purchase licenese [04:32] neither group i'm particularly concerned about.. [04:32] quick, I better purchase my license quick [04:33] glick: as opposed to getting the offending code out of the linux kernel [04:33] instead of doing that, we can completely change the architecture === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:33] wont the offending code make linux suck again? [04:33] if we took that out? [04:34] this is now *massively* offtopic -- please take it to #groklaw or #sco or some other appropriate forum. === glick [n=glickina@cpe-24-193-249-141.ucwphilly.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-24-0-58-245.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnncha@h56n3c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont-away wonders who Mr Shipit is this week === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:05] mako or Kamion or elmo: ping === susus [n=sz@p5089D46D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnch@h56n3c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:20] mako, jdub: it seems someone subscribed ubuntu-user@ubuntu.org.cn to the ubuntu-user list, and feeding a copy of the list emails back to the list... [05:21] s/feeding/is feeding [05:30] http://www.ubuntu.org.cn/ anyone can read chinese? It seems to be a pretty complete site about Ubuntu === susus [n=sz@p5089EE11.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A6096E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] robitaille:it's our site for chinese user === nailbiter [i=foobar@c210-49-121-249.eburwd3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:36] freeflying, ah. It looks nice, but I can't read any of it :) === seb128 [n=seb@66.103.220.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] because it's for chinese user [05:37] freeflying, so do you know anything about the email address from your site looping emails from the ubuntu-user list back to the list? === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:38] it's a ml plugin of phpbb to do this [05:40] freeflying, maybe you should it. everyone on the lsit is getting 2 copies of most emails on the list: the original, and a 2nd copy coming from your domain [05:40] maybe you should figure out the problem before more people complain [05:40] let us solve this [05:41] thanks [05:41] sorry for this === dfarning [n=dfarning@ppp-70-226-140-33.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-69-69-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed_ [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-24-0-58-245.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A627AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@vpn-imt1.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@vpn-imt1.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-50-19.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:53] daniels: Hi there. :) I believe your 028_loader_speed_hack.diff patch to Debian/Ubuntu xserver-xorg breaks the '-configure' option. Could we discuss this? === YokoZar [n=scott@c-67-182-179-83.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] hello === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:14] nailbiter: yeah, it does [08:14] nailbiter: it's been merged upstream and fixed properly there === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] is security.ubuntu.com supposed to be a full ubuntu mirror? === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [n=moyogo@89pc104.ucu-vb.uu.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kamstrup [n=kamstrup@kamstrup.imf.au.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] Have you guys seen this thread: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=71614 ? [08:54] Might be a cool thing to ship with Dapper Shit-It CDs [08:54] but the computer is NOT designed for Ubuntu [08:54] (ship-it) [08:54] it would be a lie [08:55] although they are cool [08:55] kamstrup: Shit-It CDs? [08:56] hunger: Oops that was a typo [08:57] mdke: It does not have to be *exact* copies of that sticker... [08:57] kamstrup: I actually guessed that;-) [08:57] ah [08:57] It could just say "Ubuntu Inside" or something [08:57] people sell ubuntu stickers here in the UK [08:57] i'm sure you'll find em on ebay or whatever i your country [08:58] mdke, It's not because I want them (although I do), I just think it would be awesome if ShiP-It Cds came with one of these [09:00] It is good branding, and it it will really give the impression (correctly) that the box contains the power to free your computer permanently === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [09:03] kamstrup: Maybe HP copuld add such a sticker to their laptops? They announced the will to support/be supported by ubuntu. [09:04] hunger, Yes, I hope they will. I don't expect to see a "Designed for Windows" sticker on them - that's for sure ;-P === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-179-164.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] kamstrup: I bet they will have those. [09:05] hunger, Ubuntu or MS stickers? [09:05] is there any vector image of the sticker? [09:05] kamstrup: Actually I do not mind... I hate stickers anyway and remove all of them. [09:05] hunger: clueless people enjoy stickers, they reassure them of quality and such [09:05] kamstrup: Designed for Win. They won't want to frighten away those Nobs. [09:06] zyga, I don't think there is... [09:06] cannonical could really shine here [09:06] zyga, although he says he has a "high res" - what ever that means- [09:06] zyga: Wow, I must be really smart then;-) [09:06] you don't find designed for red hat in any store [09:07] i think they spend enough money on the CDs already, without shipping free stickers or other stuff [09:07] hunger: don't get me wrong but most of my friends don't grok computer specs anymore and they look at price first, stickers second [09:07] personally I think each shipit cd should come with a free can of beer [09:07] mdke: shipping a sticker template a a .svg could help [09:07] Oh, "Free as in beer" [09:07] hehehe [09:07] lol [09:07] but who would want to drink that british excuse for a beer ;-)) [09:08] mdke, I think Ubuntu should ship with the *recipe* for beer [09:08] the cds don't come from britain [09:08] -- that would be freedom [09:08] no but really, a .svg for the sticker would *really* rock [09:08] maybe a paid sticker program too, [09:08] zyga, yes, but who has the printer to print alu stickers? [09:09] send us $X and we'll send you Y sheets of stickers [09:09] kamstrup: there are places that will take a vector image and print stickers === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] kamstrup: at home? no-one but many printing shos do [09:09] zyga: Actually I do not bother with specs anymore either. I only buy laptops and look for stability there. [09:09] s/shos/shops/ [09:09] kamstrup: check out the debian page about stickers... they tell you where to take it [09:10] kamstrup: my gf is already selling ubuntu t-shirts. I'll ask her what she thinks about expanding the product line. :-) We'll have to find a supplier, though. [09:11] kamstrup: laptops are mostly the same inside anyways... some stupid winmodem, the rest is supported well enough in Linux. === zyga whines about no corel support in wine and no .cdr support in any FOSS app :/ [09:12] everybody: The point was mostly that I think it would rock to have stickers in the Ship-It CDs [09:12] kamstrup: yes [09:12] whether or not this is too expensive I have no idea about [09:13] since cannonical probably orders cd in big volumes the cost per cd is small [09:13] kamstrup: a price of 0.5 USD would be fairly expensive and would double the price of the CD or thereabouts. [09:13] If Dapper will be single CD then perhaps it will be feasible [09:13] I'd say ordering a huge volume of stickers could be really small === slomo [n=slomo@vpn-imt0.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] (as far as $ are concerned) [09:14] Mithrandir, yeah, I know, but 0.5$ seems like *really* expensive stickers [09:14] I doubt that cost per sticker is more than 0.02$ [09:14] in volumes of 100K [09:14] zyga, Yes that was also my thought [09:15] but I have no idea about this [09:15] zyga: I'm not sure, since you'd want it to be durable and such [09:15] at least http://www.namethatcomputer.com/index.php?page=main quotes it at 0.50USD/ea for quantities of 1k [09:15] Mithrandir: I'm not talking about low quaility stuff [09:15] Mithrandir: ordering in volume really cuts the price you know [09:16] zyga: yes, I know that. :-P [09:16] bah [09:16] I'll mail that company and ask about the 100K price tag [09:16] :-) [09:16] How many Hoary CDs where shipped? [09:16] Mithandir: The "designed for Win" stickers are not that durable either. Most of my collegues have a blanked out their sticker by now. [09:17] kamstrup: AFAIR totall CDs shipped were somewhere between 200K and 500K [09:17] but I might be very wrong, that was long time ago [09:17] over 1 millions CD where shipped for Warty [09:18] I just thought I heard 1.000.000 somewhere, but again, I'm clueless [09:18] robitaille, I thought so :) [09:18] hunger: the newest ones are quite durable. They've survived me for a year. [09:18] oh boy :) [09:19] I'll change that to 1M order [09:19] I expect DapperDrake to ship quite a bit more than Wart :) [09:19] Warty [09:19] and the figure of 0.45 EUR per set of CDs has been quoted in the past on a mailing list to produce the CDs (i.,e before shipping cost). So if your stickers cost 0.5US, that's a huge price tag for small stickers.. [09:19] robitaille: produce, pack and prepare for shipping, yes. [09:20] by the way there is an Ubuntu Marketing mailing list that may be very appropriate for this type of discussion [09:21] Should I post to it, or are one you guys going to do it? [09:21] heh, mail away [09:21] I wonder what, if anything, will they reply [09:22] (I emailed that company someone has post url to) [09:30] daniels: Ah, thanks. :) [09:31] daniels: I've just had a look at an X.org CVS snapshot from upstream, and it looks like they've now introduced an off-by-one bug that causes a segfault when running '-configure'. Can I send you a patch for this? [09:32] nailbiter: sure :) [09:32] nailbiter: daniel.stone@ubuntu.com === Mirv [n=tajyrink@pdpc/supporter/active/Mirv] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === thesaltydog [n=Fabio@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] Mithrandir, zyga: Mail send to ubuntu-marketing. === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dr88dr88 [n=gerrit@h175047.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] did he mean 'send' or 'sent'? [10:06] Zend === hunger [n=hunger@p54A63B78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@amfea-proxy-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssh_rdp [n=ssh_rdp@84.241.17.242] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mortas_ is now known as Mortas === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wazza [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] zyga: sent, I guess [10:54] Mithrandir: yeah I've seen the mail already ;) === dholbach [n=daniel@p54A65009.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] "morning" [11:04] 'night dholbach :) [11:04] how's teh canada? [11:04] hi Treenaks - you're already there? :) === dholbach 's not there [11:05] ... yet :) [11:05] dholbach: no, my flight leaves in 28 hours [11:05] mine in 23 [11:05] dholbach: where are you then? Still Germany? [11:06] still germany, but at my parents place... it's nearer to the airport and i'll leave my dog here [11:06] poor dog :P [11:06] no, not really :) [11:08] argh :/ [11:08] does anyone around have a scanner? === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh [n=carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:11] hmm, anyone taking the BA0095 flight? [11:12] koke: hm, I think so [11:12] koke: yes === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] mornin' all === zyga has created #ubuntu-hardware === herzi [n=herzi@d014083.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sedak [n=fred@home.nenya.info] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thom [n=thom@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thom [n=thom@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["hrm,] === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.76.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pusakat [i=proxy@203.167.88.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === monocle [n=glass@dsl092-185-225.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-16-29.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssh_rdp [n=ssh_rdp@84.241.17.242] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@vpn-imt11.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@d015175.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanZZZ [12:01] morning guys [12:03] hi fabio [12:04] Mithrandir: hey [12:04] hi Martijn [12:04] Mithrandir: I heard you'll be "behind security" at Schiphol at the same time as me? :) [12:04] (waiting for another flight, but still.. ) [12:05] Treenaks: I've heard so too, yes. === drbyte [n=byte@fedora/byte] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] elmo: could you please sync rpm 4.4.1-4 from Debian unstable? Overriding ubuntu changes is ok. [12:16] Mithrandir: when will you arrive? [12:16] fabbione: saturday [12:16] Mithrandir: ok [12:16] plane lands at 1615 [12:16] Mithrandir: perfect [12:16] how so? [12:17] Mithrandir: it will give you time to come to the hotel and get ready for dinner and drinking session? [12:17] indeed [12:17] I'm probably fairly wasted by then, so I might want to make that dinner + short drinking session + bed [12:17] my powerbook arrived yesterday at home [12:17] *sighs* === fabbione wants === hunger [n=hunger@p54A61CDB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] What is the status of adding virtualization technology (xen, etc.) to ubuntu? There was discussion about this for breezy, I can't find a spec for dapper. Was that dropped? [12:33] hunger: it has been postponed === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] fabbione: Post dapper? [12:33] probably [12:34] fabbione: Thanks for the info. [12:34] shame, xen is the coolest thing ever. :) [12:34] Who here is going to UBZ flying tomorrow on BA95 from LHR->YUL 17:25 -> 19:25 ? === hunger will try xenophilia xen packages for breezy this WE. [12:35] hunger, i'm planning to try out the competition this weekend, (read: civIV) [12:35] fabbione: I've been told you use distcc a lot. I set up a breezy pbuilder with distcc and ccache, but distcc fails to build packages [12:36] fabbione: is breezys distcc broken ? [12:36] Yagisan: i used to use distcc... [12:36] i don't do it anymore [12:36] HiddenWolf: Oh, I had not realized that that was a competition to Xen! [12:36] hunger, it is in the "coolest thing since sliced bread" catagory. ;) [12:36] Yagisan: and never used within pbuilder becuase it needs a daemon [12:36] HiddenWolf: I was wondering what all that interest in the Game "Civilisation IV" suddenly came from... [12:37] hunger, ;) [12:38] fabbione: daemon runs on another breezy box, but it miscompiles packages that work without it [12:38] HiddenWolf: Do you have an URL? [12:39] hunger, http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/civilizationiv/index.html [12:39] HiddenWolf: Now you got me completly confused. [12:40] hunger, relax. :) === Sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-57-11.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-0498.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fujisan [n=fujisan@d46120.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke_ [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F22B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] any sitewranglers handy? [01:40] we'd like a commits list for telepathy but our project hasn't been renamed to the right thing yet :( [01:40] infinity: ping :D [01:40] wow [01:40] this is so not #freedesktop [01:40] not quite :) === Robot101 tries again === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] haha === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === otavio[off] is now known as otavio [02:11] I need to plot some graphs based on lots of lots of data (1M records) can anyone suggest how to do this easily? [02:11] python is preferred :) [02:11] I need histograms first [02:11] rrdtool is cool [02:11] tseng: no, no round robin [02:11] tseng: I need *all* data and it's static === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] bob2: your wishes, are coming very true [02:28] bwahaha [02:28] influence didn't work immediately, but hey... ;-) [02:29] it's a delayed reaction [02:29] clearly. let me start a new year, anew [02:29] ~2 months an counting to 1/1/2006 === zyga has interesting statistics of firefox's memory usage :) === bytee_ [n=byte@pentafluge.infradead.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] hahahahaha === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@66.103.220.209] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@66.103.220.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [n=BryanFor@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb@66.103.220.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] everyone in Canada yet? :) [03:11] not everyone ;p [03:11] but speaking of it... anyone else taking the 2.20pm plane from Schiphol tomorrow? [03:11] Simira: Mithrandir ;) [03:12] Treenaks : oh, thanks for telling me! I'll try to arrange a meet-up with him, then [03:13] Simira: :P === rob^^^ [n=rcaskey@cai17.music.uga.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@66.103.220.207] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] Robot101 : pong. === mdz [n=mdz@66.103.220.211] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@mib.fc.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pitti [n=pitti@66.103.220.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sedak [n=fred@home.nenya.info] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:44] pitti: ayt? [03:45] Hi jbailey [03:45] g'm, Martin. =) [03:45] pitti: When you do security updates, do you base your package off of updates in DISTRO-updates, or DISTRO? [03:45] jbailey: both actually [03:46] jbailey: we have to fix stuff for people that use -updates, and for people that don't [03:46] Ah, cool. Is there a security repo for -updates, or do you just do an upload there as well? [03:46] jbailey: yes, the latter [03:47] hey jbailey [03:47] jbailey: well, if the patch in -updates was really, really small, I included it into -security and obsoleted -updates [03:47] 'k. Hmm. So every upload to -updates winds up incurring an extra security penalty. [03:47] jbailey: so that we don't need to care for two versions any longer [03:47] jbailey: right [03:48] I think I have one of those really really small updates for shorewall in 5.04 =) [03:48] GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS! [03:48] hey jdub [03:48] seb128: g'm sb [03:48] jdub: Have you arrived yet? =) [03:48] jbailey: yeah, got in last night [03:49] jdub: If we're going to mud wrestle over the name, we need to do it before all the mud pits freeze over. =) [03:49] hi jdub [03:49] yo! [03:52] hey jdub [03:52] Seveas: hrm, Treenaks just gave me a preview of some of the outtakes. holy shit, i was being crazy mans that night! ;) [03:52] jdub, to say it mildly... :) [03:52] jdub: GHOSTS === Mez [n=cobra_77@host-83-146-33-98.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] jdub: I also created another one after I sent the link [03:56] jdub: I'll take the entire video to Montreal with me :) [03:57] anyone in montreal yet ? [03:57] Mez: lots of them [03:57] ooh [03:57] I dont arrive till tomorrowe [03:58] Mez: me too [03:58] oh, you're coming? [03:58] I might cancel my flight then :P [03:58] Mez: hey, thanks. [03:58] Mez: ... [03:59] Treenaks, I'm just kidding :P [03:59] dholbach: How much fun is it there, on a scale from 1-10? [03:59] Mez: I know :) [03:59] Treenaks: below zero [03:59] dsholbach, you're there I take it then [03:59] dholbach : already there as well? [03:59] not yet [03:59] dholbach: then it must be cool! [03:59] tomorrow 12 CA time === dholbach looks forward to it already :) [03:59] dholbach : oh, a few hours before us, then [03:59] who's flying from the UK? [03:59] Simira: yeah :) [04:00] Mez: through the UK [04:00] Mez: on BA00095 === Simira is kind of bouncy, and have not even started packing... [04:00] haha :) [04:00] Mez: (come in on BA0435 leave on BA0095) [04:00] through heathrow? [04:00] Mez: yes [04:00] what time does it leave heathrow? [04:01] Mez: 17:something [04:01] 17:25 [04:01] sweet [04:01] thats the flight I'm going out on [04:01] Mez: same flight? [04:01] Mez: koke too [04:01] koke ?> === Treenaks points at planet ubuntu; /names [04:01] dont think I know them [04:01] Mez: I'm in seat 24K [04:02] Mez: and I'm traveling with the guy next to me [04:02] I dont know what seat i'm in [04:02] (ubuntu-nl guy) [04:02] Mez: you can look it up on the ba.com websit [04:02] e [04:02] I dont know my reservation number [04:02] Mez: hm [04:02] unless it's letters [04:03] Mez: for met it's one letter, 2 digits, 3 letters [04:03] I dont think I got one of those [04:03] it's on my e-ticket [04:03] I just got an itinerary [04:04] Mez: how did you book? [04:04] through the guy who books the flights [04:04] ah.. "magic" === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:04]