[12:22] <judax> jjesse: ping
[03:04] <Madpilot> http://www.alistapart.com:80/articles/zombiecopy
[03:46] <Kinnison> ciao all
[07:50] <bhuvan> mdke: ping
[07:51] <bhuvan> jbailey: ping
[08:09] <rob^> bhuvan, whats up?
[08:10] <bhuvan> ok
[08:10] <bhuvan> i just wish to check the status of rss feeds for RecentChanges
[08:10] <bhuvan> the other day, i was discussing with mdke
[08:11] <rob^> you know that could get quite busy on the wiki
[08:12] <bhuvan> oh. but thats good thing right ?
[08:12] <rob^> there is a way to be subscribed to every page and emailed when they change
[08:12] <bhuvan> yeah
[08:13] <bhuvan> imho, this is no way related to the topic we are discussing (correct me if i'm wrong)
[08:14] <rob^> the rss feeds would be the equivalent of being emailed, just a different system
[08:14] <rob^> either way you would be notified
[08:14] <bhuvan> ok
[08:15] <rob^> I'm not sure if moin has rss feeds as a feature in the version we use
[08:15] <rob^> apparently you need a plugin to do it
[08:15] <bhuvan> i prefer to subscribe to rss feeds rather than email every time it's changed!
[08:16] <bhuvan> btw, fyi, rss feeds as a feature is supported in the moin we use
[08:16] <bhuvan> visit, w.u.c/RecentChanges?action=rss_rc
[08:16] <rob^> well implementing it should be trivial then
[08:17] <bhuvan> correct
[08:17] <rob^> is that page working as an rss feed?
[08:18] <bhuvan> ofcourse it does!
[08:18] <rob^> so if its working whats the problem?
[08:19] <bhuvan> exactly it's my question ?
[08:22] <rob^> does it work with a conversion filter?
[08:22] <bhuvan> imo, we can implement any one of the following:  1) add a note in the top of RecentChanges page. provide the rss feed url  2) include <link> tag in that html page. so, firefox users can subscribe so easily
[08:22] <bhuvan> coversion filter ?
[08:22] <rob^> I just noticed liferea doesn't like it
[08:24] <bhuvan> sage does and so firefox 1.0.x does
[08:24] <bhuvan> iirc, right now it generates rss 0.9x. not sure, whether liferea supports these feeds
[08:25] <rob^> how to I get the rss feed working in firefox?
[08:25] <highvoltage> my word. whoever wrote the opencubit license must've been on some heavy crack.
[08:25] <highvoltage> sorry, wrong channel..
[08:27] <bhuvan> what's your ff version ?
[08:27] <rob^> 1.0.7
[08:30] <mdke> bhuvan, pong
[08:31] <bhuvan> hello
[08:31] <bhuvan> just discussing how we can add rss feeds for RecentChanges
[08:32] <bhuvan> rob^: ff supports via 'live bookmarks'. we must provide a link in our html content. thus, firefox provides a interface (orange square in the right bottom corner) to subscribe
[08:32] <mdke> ok well you'll have to file a wishlist bug
[08:32] <mdke> we don't have access to the wiki
[08:32] <bhuvan> oh, ok
[08:32] <mdke> see w.u.c/wiki
[08:33] <bhuvan> ok
[08:35] <mdke> rob^, i might have a go at splitting into server/desktop guides today
[08:35] <mdke> you think there is general agreement about it?
[08:35] <rob^> I was thinking about that myself
[08:35] <rob^> has trunk been synced with branch yet?
[08:36] <mdke> yes
[08:36] <mdke> i hope so
[08:36] <rob^> yay :)
[08:36] <mdke> didn't you see my crazy spamming yesterday?
[08:36] <rob^> yes, just wondering if it went successful or not
[08:36] <mdke> :) hope so
[08:36] <mdke> no reason it shouldn't have
[08:37] <mdke> sean was just being grumpy
[08:38] <rob^> I think there is, and I'd like to contribute to the server guide as well as work on the desktop guide
[08:38] <mdke> sure
[08:38] <rob^> firstly I'd move all the server stuff from the faq guide into the server guide
[08:38] <mdke> i think the best thing is to make a copy of the faqguide
[08:38] <mdke> then remove the stuff which isn't relevant in each case
[08:39] <bhuvan> done
[08:39] <rob^> I would also like to sus out what content will be the same and just xinclude it
[08:39] <rob^> saves duplicating work if we have to
[08:39] <mdke> rob^, will anything be the same?
[08:40] <mdke> the preface stuff I guess
[08:40] <rob^> the server guide will be cmd line only yep?
[08:40] <mdke> i think so
[08:40] <rob^> I would prefer it
[08:42] <rob^> some parts of hardware, Windows Partitions (maybe), Users Administarion (might be moved), all of Networking pretty much, Rescue Mode, parts of Tips and Tricks, parts of Troubleshooting and Upgrading Ubuntu will all be the same
[08:43] <mdke> hmm
[08:43] <rob^> just quickly skimming over it anyway
[08:43] <mdke> i envisaged the server/desktop distinction having NO overlap
[08:43] <mdke> most of that stuff I don't see as going into the server guide
[08:44] <mdke> if there is going to be such a massive overlap, that negates the point of doing it
[08:44] <rob^> all of networking I think will move
[08:44] <rob^> and there is lots of relevent stuff in a few others
[08:44] <mdke> yes
[08:45] <mdke> but the network section won't be in the desktop guide because it is all servers
[08:45] <rob^> yes
[08:45] <mdke> except for the top level stuff
[08:45] <rob^> I'd only like to keep a samba section in from networking in the users guide, but I'd like to rewrite it properly anyway
[08:45] <mdke> anyway, the thing needs to be planned out well before we start
[08:46] <rob^> using gui tools
[08:46] <mdke> yeah samba needs to be there
[08:46] <mdke> other things I'd like to do involve:
[08:46] <mdke> renaming the faqguide
[08:46] <rob^> maybe we need to work out a spec at the next meeting
[08:46] <mdke> dropping the Q and A format
[08:46] <rob^> renaming the faqguide +1
[08:47] <rob^> dropping the q and a format, sure we can look at that
[08:47] <mdke> i see no difference between:
[08:47] <mdke> How do I use the DynDNS service?
[08:47] <mdke> Using the DynDNS service
[08:47] <mdke> or better
[08:47] <mdke> Setting up a free domain name
[08:48] <rob^> dropping the q and a format will be easier to just start with a blank xml file and start copy/pasting
[08:48] <mdke> no, i'd keep the q and a format technically speaking, just drop the question marks
[08:48] <mdke> the "how do i" stuff gets on my nerves
[08:48] <rob^> oh ok
[08:48] <rob^> it was put in to read better
[08:48] <mdke> and just make the title more user friendly
[08:49] <rob^> Starter Guide or something like that
[08:49] <mdke> nah, I think it was just a hangover from ubuntuguide.org
[08:49] <rob^> Desktop Guide
[08:49] <mdke> Ubuntu Desktop Starter Guide is what I like
[08:49] <rob^> sure sounds good
[08:49] <mdke> but for the purposes of the repo, renaming the directory and filename might be non-trivial
[08:50] <rob^> I would really like to see it made neater anyway
[08:50] <bhuvan> mdke: how many files/directories you are supposed to rename in this regard ?
[08:50] <rob^> so we could just have ubuntu/desktopguide and ubuntu/adminguide etc
[08:50] <mdke> yeah
[08:50] <rob^> kubuntu/whatever
[08:50] <rob^> etc
[08:51] <mdke> bhuvan, it is not that, it is that the packages stuff needs to be amended to account for the rename
[08:51] <rob^> for what we do packaging is pretty trivial
[08:51] <bhuvan> ok
[08:52] <mdke> rob^, there is a lot of stuff which would need to be reworked if we changed layout and/or filenames
[08:52] <mdke> but I think it is worth going
[08:52] <mdke> *doing
[08:53] <mdke> but we need a team discussion on it
[08:53] <rob^> sure
[08:53] <rob^> I sent an email about what I would like to see a while ago to the list
[08:53] <mdke> i don't see a problem with keeping kde/gnome
[08:54] <rob^> I hate having to change directories just to build things
[08:55] <rob^> if I could just do ../make faqguide or whatever it would be much easier
[08:55] <mdke> oh no doubt that should be in the gnome directory
[08:55] <rob^> atm we have to do ../../../gnome/make faqguide
[08:55] <mdke> yes
[08:56] <mdke> that is quite trivial to solve
[08:56] <rob^> when is the next meeting?
[08:56] <mdke> no idea
[08:56] <mdke> next week in theory
[08:57] <rob^> yep
[08:57] <rob^> the agenda page hasn't been updated.. easily solved
[08:57] <mdke> ok gtg
[08:57] <rob^> np
[08:57] <rob^> cya
[10:05] <mdke> rob^, moving faqguide to gnome directory
[10:06] <mdke> :)
[10:06] <mdke> hey Madpilot 
[10:06] <Madpilot> hi
[10:36] <rob^> mdke, I've updated DocteamMeetingAgenda
[10:37] <Madpilot> rob^: without commenting your edit, I notice ;)
[10:37] <rob^> :)
[10:38] <rob^> heh
[10:38] <mdke> disgusting
[10:39] <rob^> I suppose I should add myself as an author to the admin guide too
[10:40] <rob^> is there a make file for it?
[10:41] <rob^> I see sean has been busy too
[10:41] <mdke> the admin guide is kind of extinct
[10:41] <mdke> i think we should ditch it
[10:41] <rob^> ?
[10:41] <rob^> the old one?
[10:41] <mdke> there is only the old one
[10:41] <mdke> i really don't want you to get the wrong idea about my idea for a server guide
[10:42] <mdke> server |= admin
[10:42] <mdke> there are lots of administrative activities that a desktop user will want to know
[10:42] <rob^> well I'm already confused, ditch it
[10:42] <rob^> ok I see now
[10:43] <mdke> do you understand the distinction I'm trying to make between desktop and server?
[10:43] <mdke> they should be completely non-overlapping
[10:43] <rob^> yes I know
[10:43] <mdke> "administrative" skills are applicable to both
[10:43] <rob^> my tired from working all day brain read admin and though "server"
[10:43] <mdke> :)
[10:43] <mdke> i'll try and spec it up
[10:44] <rob^> yeah
[10:44] <rob^> I think I'm just going to rename the faq guide, I think its pretty well accepted anyway
[10:45] <rob^> I don't think it warrents meeting time to discuss
[10:45] <mdke> erm
[10:45] <mdke> renaming the file is non-trivial
[10:45] <mdke> renaming the document is ok, of course
[10:46] <rob^> cp faqguide.xml desktopguide.xml && svn commit
[10:46] <mdke> argh
[10:46] <rob^> heh
[10:46] <mdke> you'll break the makefile and packaging
[10:46] <rob^> the makefile I can fix
[10:46] <mdke> ok go ahead
[10:46] <mdke> although i don't mind doing it if you like
[10:47] <rob^> the packaging will need fixing anyway
[10:47] <mdke> i've already moved it once this morning
[10:47] <rob^> go right ahead, I need to spend time with the other half anyway and it saves having confilcts if we both mess with it
[10:48] <mdke> which other half? kubuntu?
[10:48] <rob^> -> wife
[10:48] <mdke> ah!
[10:48] <mdke> i apologise
[10:48] <rob^> hey np
[10:48] <rob^> some of us geeks are married :)
[10:49] <mdke> heh
[10:49] <mdke> i ought to get married myself
[10:49] <rob^> no rush, your only 24 right?
[10:49] <mdke> yeah
[10:49] <rob^> I'm 23 if it matters ;)
[10:50] <mdke> oh yeah?
[10:50] <mdke> how long you been married for?
[10:50] <mdke> my g/f is 28 and is on at me to get moving :)
[10:50] <rob^> two and a half years
[10:51] <rob^> heh at 28 I bet
[10:51] <mdke> got any kids?
[10:51] <rob^> two of em'
[10:51] <mdke> blimey
[10:51] <mdke> you aussies work fast
[10:51] <rob^> yep
[10:51] <mdke> 23?!?
[10:51] <rob^> yep
[10:52] <mdke> well if you can get married and have kids by the time you're 23, you can convert the Aussie MOD to linux in 12 months
[10:52] <rob^> my wife is very forgiving for the time I spend on here!
[10:52] <mdke> i bet
[10:52] <mdke> my gf is not so forgiving :D
[10:53] <rob^> heh
[10:54] <rob^> well, I'm off then
[10:54] <mdke> ok later
[10:54] <rob^> have fun mdke 
[10:54] <mdke> i will :)
[11:00] <mdke> crap
[11:06] <mdke> ugh?
[11:06] <mdke> harsh
[12:34] <jsgotangco> hi there
[12:34] <mdke> hello
[12:36] <jsgotangco> hi mdke =)
[12:36] <jsgotangco> i found a gas station that has free wifi
[12:36] <Liz> greetings
[12:37] <mdke> cool
[12:37] <Kinnison> Who here is going to UBZ flying tomorrow on BA95 from LHR->YUL 17:25 -> 19:25 ?
[12:37] <mdke> no one :(
[12:37] <mdke> you lucky thing
[12:37] <Kinnison> :-(
[12:38] <jsgotangco> only corey is the one from the docteam coming
[12:38] <mdke> Kinnison, i'm sure you'll meet someone on the place...
[12:38] <Kinnison> and his is an internal flight
[12:38] <mdke> plane*
[12:38] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:38] <jsgotangco> *sucks*
[02:50] <jjesse> morning
[02:53] <mdke> hiya
[03:14] <mdke> jjesse, i'm removing that index.html you pointed out yesterday from the kde Makefile
[03:14] <jjesse> yeah it comes from index.xml 
[03:15] <mdke> ok for now I am just removing that from "make kall"
[03:15] <mdke> rather than deleting it :)
[03:15] <jjesse> make kall still isn't building everything, kquickguide has doc errors
[03:16] <mdke> yeah
[03:16] <mdke> shall we take that out too?
[03:16] <mdke> for now
[03:16] <jjesse> yeah, i'm working on fixing it
[03:16] <mdke> ok i think we should leave it in then
[03:45] <mdke> morning jbailey 
[03:45] <mdke> i've hacked up trunk a bit
[03:46] <mdke> ;)
[03:46] <jjesse> and filled up the commit mailing list :)
[03:46] <jjesse> waiting from an email from froud on how it wasn't done correcetly
[03:46] <mdke> lol
[03:53] <mdke> jbailey, which means that we'll have to fix the packaging before uploading the next time, but hopefully that will be cool
[03:56] <jbailey> mdke: Sounds lovely.
[03:57] <mdke> jbailey, have fun :)
[03:59] <jbailey> \o/
[04:16] <mdke> rob^, ping?
[05:16] <judax> greets
[05:23] <mdke> hiya
[05:23] <mdke> hey jerome
[05:24] <jsgotangco> hey hey
[05:28] <mdke> jsgotangco, i've hacked up trunk some more today
[05:28] <jsgotangco> yeah i'm checking it out now
[05:29] <jsgotangco> i'm in kubuntu i still need to download some docbook utils
[05:29] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:29] <jsgotangco> but i already have trunk atm
[05:31] <jsgotangco> hmm free wifi over here sure is slow at night
[05:32] <mdke> lol
[05:32] <mdke> you on holiday?
[05:32] <jsgotangco> yeah i couldn't resist bringing my laptop over...
[05:32] <jsgotangco> wife was frowning but they're asleep now
[05:33] <mdke> lol
[05:33] <mdke> did you know rob is married with two kids?
[05:33] <mdke> at 23?
[05:33] <jsgotangco> wow
[05:33] <jsgotangco> i got married at 27
[05:33] <jsgotangco> and im 31 now
[05:33] <Belutz> i'm 27 and still single :-(
[05:33] <mdke> aussies are fast movers
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. sif
[05:34] <jsgotangco> we have a weeklong holiday over here starting from halloween till end of ramadan
[05:34] <jsgotangco> lucky year :)
[05:34] <Belutz> so in here, a week long ramadan holiday
[05:34] <mdke> jeez i've been working like full time on Ubuntu this week :D
[05:34] <mdke> my supervisor is on holiday
[05:35] <jsgotangco> lol that's why
[05:35] <mdke> we're making a help.ubuntu-it.org
[05:35] <jsgotangco> mdke: hey you merged the svn that's an accomplishment :)
[05:35] <mdke> yeah and that
[05:35] <mdke> and I've renamed the faqguide :)
[05:36] <jsgotangco> Belutz: when does the holiday start, at exactly end of ramadan? (I'm not muslim btw)
[05:36] <jsgotangco> we're predominantly catholic but we observe some islamic holidays
[05:37] <Belutz> no jsgotangco, the end of ramadan is at october 3rd, and the holiday starts from tomorrow
[05:37] <jsgotangco> isn't that november 3 (or 4)
[05:38] <Belutz> oops sorry
[05:38] <Belutz> yes, november 3rd
[05:38] <mdke> ahhh
[05:38] <mdke> http://help.ubuntu-it.org/
[05:38] <Belutz> the ramadan holiday it selfs is 2 days, the 3rd and 4th of november
[05:40] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:42] <Belutz> jsgotangco, why don't you come over here and make an ubuntu event in Indonesia? :)
[05:43] <jsgotangco> sure why not it's bee a while since i went to jakarta....
[05:43] <jsgotangco> im not really familiar with the foss events over there though
[05:43] <Belutz> so you have been here?
[05:44] <jsgotangco> yeah last 2001
[05:44] <Belutz> well, there's an Indonesia Goes Open Source movement
[05:44] <jsgotangco> i was thinking of a ubuntu asean thing..hehehe
[05:45] <Belutz> that would be great :)
[05:45] <jsgotangco> who else in the region has a loco anyways?
[05:45] <mdke> pakistan
[05:45] <Belutz> i'll try to get in touch with KPLI (Kelompok Pengguna Linux Indonesia) = Indonesia Linux User Groups, to make ubuntu event in here
[05:45] <mdke> that's about it i think
[05:45] <jsgotangco> mdke: that's way way far....
[05:45] <mdke> true
[05:46] <mdke> but leaving them out of ubuntu asia would be bad ;)
[05:46] <Belutz> well, we don't have a loco yet
[05:46] <jsgotangco> us in the asean region can easily meet up with no visas whatsoever...
[05:47] <jsgotangco> mdke: sure except pakistan and india are soooo far...i'm just thinking of the SEA region...
[05:47] <jsgotangco> for now...
[05:47] <jsgotangco> the bigger asia is an IOSN focus..
[05:48] <Belutz> jsgotangco, were you come to Jakarta for work or holiday?
[05:48] <jsgotangco> its work
[05:48] <jsgotangco> i wish i could do more holidays
[05:48] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:48] <Belutz> i see :)
[05:49] <jsgotangco> Belutz: if we can think of something really neat for the region, we can probably ask the iosn/apdip for help
[05:49] <Belutz> well, if the ubuntu thing is work out in here, be prepare to get an invitation :)
[05:49] <jsgotangco> we've been pretty successful over here...
[05:49] <Belutz> jsgotangco, yup
[05:50] <Belutz> me and my friend are planning to give training to school teachers in 392 places in Indonesia
[05:50] <Belutz> an ubuntu training, including how to use OOo
[05:51] <jsgotangco> 392????
[05:52] <Belutz> yup
[05:52] <jsgotangco> WOW
[05:52] <jsgotangco> Belutz: do you know the IOSN?
[05:52] <Belutz> we will doing an ubuntu road show
[05:53] <Belutz> jsgotangco, no i don't
[05:53] <Belutz> if, and only if the proposal is accepted, because we will need a lot of funding for it
[05:53] <Belutz> my friend is going to get in touch with HP Indonesia
[05:54] <jsgotangco> Belutz: well its an initiative of the UNDP (United Nations Development Programme) to promote FOSS in the asian region, it has good funding, the IOSN Live CD was derived from Ubuntu 5.04....
[05:55] <jsgotangco> Colin Charles (drbyte) was involved in that project, at the moment, I'm helping him out update the training programme since it was still bsaed in fedora
[05:55] <Belutz> i see, i'll google it
[05:55] <jsgotangco> Belutz: www.iosn.net
[05:55] <jsgotangco> Belutz: its pretty interesting really
[05:55] <Belutz> ok 
[05:56] <Belutz> and they could fund those kind of activities?
[05:56] <jsgotangco> that i cannot say :)
[05:56] <jsgotangco> you can email them i guess
[05:57] <jsgotangco> the iosn is relatively new and undermanned
[05:57] <Belutz> ok :)
[05:57] <jsgotangco> there are plans to create regional nodes by next year
[05:57] <Belutz> wow, interesting :D
[05:57] <Belutz> maybe i could get a job then lol
[05:58] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:59] <Belutz> i'm going to apply to World Vision International, my friend said they need IT staffs to recover the IT infrastructure in Aceh
[05:59] <jsgotangco> mdke: do you think our validation scripts reguire gnome-doc-utils?
[05:59] <jsgotangco> World Vision is pretty neat, but i believe its a religion-driven group as well
[05:59] <mdke> no i doubt it
[05:59] <Belutz> and then if i'm accepted, i'll influenced them to use ubuntu >:)
[06:02] <jsgotangco> it'll be interesting once the iosn asean+3 node gets set up
[06:06] <jsgotangco> mdke: ahhh i know why now...kubuntu doesn't ship with docbook
[06:08] <mdke> sux
[06:08] <jsgotangco> heheh don't start :)
[06:11] <mdke> :)
[06:11] <mdke> btw did you see I put up a preview of the adept guide?
[06:13] <jsgotangco> i haven't..let me check
[06:15] <judax> jjesse: ping
[06:18] <jsgotangco> mdke: what happened to validate.sh?
[06:18] <jsgotangco> ah wait
[06:18] <jsgotangco> sorry
[06:18] <jsgotangco> boo boo
[06:19] <mdke> cheh
[06:19] <mdke> heh
[06:19] <mdke> paranoid
[06:20] <mdke> i haven't broken trunk, mkay!
[06:20] <jsgotangco> i get a "failed to load external entity" when i validate
[06:20] <jsgotangco> hrmmm
[06:20] <mdke> on what?
[06:20] <jsgotangco> kquickguide.xml
[06:20] <mdke> yeah there is something up
[06:20] <mdke> is it with the licence?
[06:20] <mdke> i get that error with gnome/adminguide too
[06:21] <mdke> yes, same error
[06:21] <mdke> no idea how to solve it, all the paths look fine
[06:22] <mdke> did someone do something to the licence?
[06:22] <jsgotangco> hmm
[06:22] <jsgotangco> even my gnome-app-install.xml says the same thing
[06:22] <jsgotangco> hmm
[06:22] <jsgotangco> i don't know what i'm missing
[06:25] <mdke> could it be something do with with jjesse 's revision of that file at revision 1851
[06:25] <mdke> ?
[06:25] <mdke> ah yes
[06:25] <mdke> lemme try something
[06:26] <mdke> yeah
[06:27] <jsgotangco> im trying to think of the packages i am missing...
[06:27] <mdke> ok i've done the workaround that jjesse did and it validates now
[06:27] <mdke> svn up
[06:28] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[06:28] <judax> mdke: did you figure out what was wrong with kquickguide validating?
[06:28] <mdke> no, but I remembered seeing jjesse do a workaround for it a while back
[06:29] <jsgotangco> it works now
[06:29] <mdke> so I dug that out of the commit list archive and repeated it
[06:29] <judax> I tried to fix it yesterday, but I couldn't find the problem
[06:29] <mdke> i think it is something to do with dtd versions
[06:29] <judax> yeah it is complaining about he cc licesne and header type stuff
[06:29] <mdke> anyway, something in that header wasn't working
[06:29] <jsgotangco> mdke is becoming our docbook/svn hero
[06:30] <mdke> i've only worked around, not fixed
[06:30] <judax> it doesn't validate in <oXygen/> either, that is what I use to edit
[06:30] <mdke> dunno even if the licence will get built with the document
[06:31] <spayne> evening all
[06:31] <mdke> anyhow it's working now
[06:31] <judax> so its nothing to do specific to our stuff it appears
[06:31] <mdke> it builds properly
[06:31] <judax> but it still does not validate, correct?
[06:31] <mdke> yes
[06:31] <mdke> it validates
[06:31] <judax> ok
[06:31] <mdke> i've commented out the whole header :)
[06:32] <judax> hehe
[06:32] <mdke> must be incompatibility of docbook versions or something
[06:33] <jsgotangco> it (breezy) probably has the newer dtds
[06:35] <judax> hmm
[06:35] <jjesse> talking about the kubuntu docs and building?
[06:35] <jjesse> sorry was out at lunch
[06:35] <mdke> yes
[06:36] <mdke> jjesse, remember that fix you did commenting out the header of ccbysa.xml?
[06:36] <mdke> i redid that, and things build now
[06:36] <jjesse> yeah riddell sent me a patch that i applied
[06:38] <judax> jjesse: what was the problem?
[06:38] <jjesse> there was a problem w/ one of the heards in a license
[06:39] <jjesse> all i know was it wasn't building, riddell wrote up a patch and then they were building
[06:39] <judax> yeah, I encountered that yesterday but didn't know how to fix
[06:39] <jjesse> i know very little about building documents and stuff like that.... i can write :)
[06:39] <judax> patch the ccbysa.xml?
[06:40] <jjesse> yeah there was a patch to that or something, the rush to breezy got a little crazy for kubuntu docs so things are a little muddled
[06:40] <mdke> anyway, i've redone the patch now
[06:40] <jjesse> thank you mdke
[06:41] <jjesse> sorry i'm not a bigger help in that area
[06:41] <jsgotangco> jjesse: you mind if i start changing stuff in the kquickguide now?
[06:41] <jjesse> jsgotangco: feel free to... i'm still trying to figure out the faqguide
[06:41] <jjesse> speaking of which should it be changed to desktop guide or whatever it is now called in ubuntu world?
[06:42] <jsgotangco> starter guide
[06:43] <judax> jsgotangco: I have been changing stuff in kquickguide
[06:43] <mdke> up to you, i see no big reason to follow the names
[06:43] <jsgotangco> jjesse: i dunno really, like Riddell said kde has its own identity...
[06:43] <jjesse> mdke: i think you mentioned you are leaving but does your changes allow things to be built include the index page you use?
[06:43] <judax> added some katapult screens and such to utilities section
[06:43] <jsgotangco> judax: ahh i haven't noticed at all
[06:43] <jjesse> jsgotangco: i would agree as well
[06:44] <mdke> jjesse, you mean the index at doc.ubuntu.com?
[06:44] <judax> and another change last week, what was that....
[06:44] <jsgotangco> judax: i was planning to do a massive edit on the text later...
[06:44] <mdke> that is done manually right now
[06:44] <jjesse> yeah for the kde side of things
[06:44] <judax> ah, took out mentions of kynaptic I think, have to look at log
[06:44] <mdke> so far I've been adding links manually to that page jjesse 
[06:44] <mdke> it is nothing to do with the svn
[06:45] <jsgotangco> jjesse: kubuntu has such a different way of doing things sometimes the only ones applicable are cli-intensive work
[06:45] <jjesse> mdke:  ah ok, cause i noticed yesterday that froud has this index.xml that builds an index page w/ statuses of the projects
[06:45] <jjesse> jsgotangco: agreed
[06:45] <judax> jsgotangco: can you check out the adept user guide preview on d.u.c and offer suggestion, corrections, ideas, etc?
[06:45] <mdke> jjesse, yeah, that is very out of date... we should look into doing one
[06:45] <mdke> i'll think about it
[06:45] <jsgotangco> judax: sure checking now...
[06:45] <judax> jjesse: I sent email to mornfall to look at adept guide
[06:45] <mdke> but the problem is doc.ubuntu.com uses php, rather than html
[06:45] <jjesse> mdke: let me know, cause maybe we can use what is in index.xml
[06:46] <jjesse> judax: riddell siad that if we want that guide included it should go upstream, did i forward you his response?
[06:46] <mdke> jjesse, not really, the best thing would be for me to upload the sidebar from doc.ubuntu.com into svn then we can all edit it
[06:46] <judax> jjesse: no, have not seen his response
[06:46] <jjesse> mdke: ok, then i will let you deal with it
[06:46] <jjesse> judax: email address again?
[06:46] <mdke> ok --> home
[06:46] <judax> troywill1@gmail.com
[06:46] <jsgotangco> judax: it would be nice to use that for upstream...
[06:47] <judax> jsgotangco: yes, I think so, I have contacted the dev, but no response yet
[06:52] <jsgotangco> err where is the link to styleguide?
[06:53] <jsgotangco> in doc.ubuntu.com?
[06:53] <jsgotangco> ah wait
[06:53] <jsgotangco> its in help
[06:53] <jsgotangco> grrr
[06:53] <jjesse> is there a reason that we include the revision history in the viewable doc?
[06:56] <jsgotangco> well to us it has a use...you can just comment on it so it won't appear on the output i guess
[07:27] <jjesse> jsgotangco: that is what we did for the breezy docs for kubuntu and i think riddell would like it so revision history doesn't show
[07:29] <jsgotangco> ahh
[07:31] <jsgotangco> jjesse: i've yet to learn how kde manages its stylesheets, i'm catching up atm...
[07:31] <jjesse> jsgotangco: i haven't either really, i know the riddell has a stylesheet he applies but its in a super secret location or something like that :)
[07:33] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:39] <jsgotangco> ok gotta catch some zzz see you guys later